Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1818

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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>17201887

This thread is for the discussion and learning of Japanese with raw VNs, LNs, anime and manga.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Let's have a nice thread by reporting and ignoring off-topic posts.
がんばってゆっくりしていってね！！！

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>>17220126
乙

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メンヘラ乙

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Goddamn Lingosteve of LingQ a quality language learning program is swole

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my dicks wider than that bicep

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>>17220286
Prove it, fag

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>>17220126
So I've been wondering lately. How do I actually go about learning more vulgar/raunchy vocabulary? They don't have Anki decks specifically for that right?

Sometimes I'm casually reading some エロゲ when all of a sudden I'm hit with some obscure string of lewd text/slang that I can't interpret. As I'm occupied, it's difficult to really stop and look the phrase up too you know.

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Is watching unsubbed stuff helping my listening even if most of the time I don't know the vocab or lose track of what they're saying because they're talking faster than my mind processes?

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>>17220355
if you cant google for this in japanese then you should not worry about it and focus on functional japanese

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>>17220366
Yes

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>>17220355
>They don't have Anki decks specifically for that right?
They do. It's called making your own as you play moege or nukige

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>>17220355
Just keep reading, anki isn't the only way to learn vocab

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is memrise worth paying for?

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>>17220450
Definitely! Be sure to get the "Gold edition".

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>>>17219402
>better to power through reading
I think this answers my question but I'll ask for clarity. I just started reading and I decided to start with manga so I'm looking up words as I go. Sometimes what I'm missing, however, is some hiragana bit. Either a compound particle or just some hiragana word. Should I be researching in these instances too or should I just read through this confusion until my comprehension goes up?

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>>17220522
What do you guys think of duolingo?

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>>17220522
>>17220573
Whoops, didn't mean to link you

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>>17220573
>>17220578
Check previous thread and the one before that, and the one before that as well for answers.

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>>17220573
I think it should be bannable to mention it in this thread

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>>17220654
Here's a wallpaper for you

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>>17220648
if　everyone　used　duolingo　there　would　be　№　DJT?

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>>17219664
Tae Kim is for learning grammar. Learning the vocabulary isn't necessary. It is only there to help illustrate the grammar.

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>>17220654
>>17220669
Epic post.

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I got a few how to draw books and they have 書き方 in the title, but one of them has 書き分け instead. I was wondering, what's the difference?

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3時おやつタイム(´・ω・`)
なにを食べようかな

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吾が輩は存在せぬ

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>>17220977
くそくらえ

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>>17220450
いいえ、有用ない。

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>>17220126
>Cornucopia

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>>17221146
What is this post trying to express?

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Hey DJT I need some advice, I'm short on free time and I don't want to waste my time on inefficient learning methods.
I hope you can help me answer these questions.

1.What's the best way to get sufficient kanji knowledge?

While grinding core in the past, I noticed that after seeing lots of vocab that uses a certain kanji, you kinda get a feel for that kanji.
When I saw a new word containing said kanji, I often knew what it meant and sometimes even knew which reading to use as well.
This made it hell a lot easier to pick up new vocabulary.

I tried doing isolated kanji studying via Kodanshas Kanji Learners Course, but considering the time spent, the result was rather underwhelming. (only did 1/4 of the book though)

Does reading and mining a lot of words help? Can I passively learn more kanji by encountering many words in the wild and is that a efficient way?
I mean it does sound efficient indeed since reading improves vocab, grammar and perhaps kanji knowledge all at once, but couldn't a solid foundation prior to consuming a lot help you even more?

KKLC didn't work for me, are there other methods or approaches to get a feel for kanji?


2.Reading

When reading via texthooker or furigana, I noticed that I often hover over words that I should've recognized or read the furigana before even trying to read a word by itself, I think I harm myself by reading like that since every word I pick up and keep in my memory while reading, is a word less I have to grind in anki.
I just feel like I don't learn enough while reading, I read a chapter that has a few new words in it and the day after it's gone.

Yeah I could mine all of them, but anki already cuts massively into my reading time as it is.

What do DJT?

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>>17221249
>What's the best way to get sufficient kanji knowledge?
There's no such thing as sufficient kanji knowledge. Not even all the kanji knowledge in the world will let you read. You need to know words and grammar. Kanji is tangential to that.

>Does reading and mining a lot of words help? Can I passively learn more kanji by encountering many words in the wild and is that a efficient way?
This isn't just the easiest way to do it, it's also the safest, and it's what natives do too. They know words and assign kanji to them.

>I just feel like I don't learn enough while reading, I read a chapter that has a few new words in it and the day after it's gone.
You're learning even if you don't feel like you are. You're probably still rewiring your brain to understand Japanese grammar at a subconscious level, and relearning common words you memorized with weird definitions, and your brain is too busy doing that to remember more than a few new words. Basically until you're intermediate reading's just gonna feel like this.

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>>17220355
Here's an old and probably outdated book, but it should give you a basic idea.
https://mega.nz/#!V7ASTRzC!KJvPbywiAFrh-hMvWt6A0IxvojimlZp1o02qva2YSWs

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apparently someone big died today

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>>17221267
ベインか

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>>17221267
>someone big
not uncommon these days

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Anki question: if I'm pressing "again" but the cards are disappearing what setting do I have to change? I already had the maximum reviews/day at 9999 so I don't know what the problem is. It never did this before.

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When does a 'J' pronunciation sound soft like in "au jus" and hard like in "juice?"

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>>17221299
Standard japanese doesn't make a distinction.

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>>17221278
Close to your deadline? Cards disappear out of the review queue if there isn't enough time for them to be reviewed before your deadline rolls over.

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>>17221312
I was, thanks didn't know that happened.

But I'm pretty sure I was gonna finish on time. Why does it do that btw? Like if I straight up dont do anki for a day all those unstudied cards roll over to the next day right?

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>drunken slur speech
>ものれす
fucking hell this is just

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>>17221335
some people are just gonna get drunk

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>>17222889
But that means "Pie"

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>>17222882
yes i do think theyre right

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>>17223047
Thanks for rating my post anon.

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>>17223102
>will i forever be dyslexic in kana?
Yes. No way to cure it unfortunately.

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>>17223102
You will never learn Japanese like this.

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What does katana mean?

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Is there anything about texthooking VNs on the guide?
I can't seem to find it.

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I am understanding... such a difficult line... I can read!

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>>17223980
ワオ

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I'm confused.
What do I do after practicing/memorizing Hiragana and Hiragana Combinations?
Should I go to vocabulary or grammar? Should I do Kanji before that or after?

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>>17224135
>So long as I don't have a split personality lurking inside of me that I'm not aware of.
>Is one lurking?
>How the fuck could I know that?

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>>17221431
It is a disaster mitigation project. Mainly a JPY loan project. It will last for 6 months.
>>17221442
いい人になる術は、基本的に害を与えないこと。害を与えず、お世話にもならず、多少救ってあげることのみにあるんよ。
よーく考えれば理解できるはず。
>>17222882
It is shitsuke, ignore the faggots.
Kiritsu is merely standing up.
仕付け→Shitsuke.

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>>17224197
〜でも〜ない限り is a idiomatic expression. It's nearly close to 〜が〜ない限り, but adds an emphasis on first 〜.

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Quick question about counting with decimals -- if I wanted to say I had like 1.5 loaves of bread how would I do that? Or 1.5 of any general thing -- I don't always just want to count bread...

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>>17224569
Can I just use like 1.5つ　in the normal way or something?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkcKaNqfykg


this could turn out to be extremely useful for nipponese learning

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>>17224569
How would you even pronounce that? いちてんいつつ? ひとつてんご?

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>>17225238
どっちの？

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>>17225284
お嬢ちゃんお幾つ?
ご両親は?

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>>17225273
沢山いるんだし、どっちの神について語っているのは分かりません
詳しく説明したらありがたい

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>>17225326
I just started reading へんてこバスと飴玉くるり today after finishing a different manga yesterday. It's pretty inventive with it's panels.

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>>17225326
watching the anime of that right now, treating it all like a big trailer for the raw manga
but her going on this many 1on1 dates with her older brothers friend when shes only ten is surely only acceptable in japan
I did that here I'd be crucified

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Anybody here know how to use futaba? It seems so different from here. I once made a thread there but got no replies. I don't get their culture.

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>>17225446
異教徒は最後の最後の日に炎に捧げられるよ
宇宙の創造者を蔑ろにするない

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>>17225438
I have masturbated to Maki so many damn times.

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>>17220977
Someone needs to add japanese emojis to the rikai dictionary so we can('t) understand their proper nuance and noble elegance.

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かぞえかた

あんきしてる？
http://www.sanabo.com/kazoekata/

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>>17220126
This channel has helped alot with my Japanese studies. They post with English and Japanese subs which is awesome.
An example:
https://youtu.be/RLEyKcQ7OKQ

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>>17225815
梅雨ではいけませんでしょう

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>>17225438
>posting without understanding the culture
What's wrong with you? Lurk more.

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>>17225888
I'm lurking it right now and I still don't get it. Why does no one use reaction images? Why is fucking everything a general? Do these people have no culture?

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>>17225956
I'll bite, does it work?

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>>17225987
What board are you even looking at?

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>>17225994
二次元裏

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>>17226000
Yeah, lurk more.

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>>17226004
Oh come on you can give me a hint at least.

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>>17225815
そとは６月のあいだはドンパチだよ

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How did I do?

愛のローラーコースター
（何だって？）
ローラーコースター
ウゥゥゥ
愛のローラーコースター
ローラーコースター
ウゥゥゥ
君の愛はローラーコースターのようだ
あかちゃんぼう　あかちゃんぼう
乗りたい
君の愛はローラーコースターのようだ
あかちゃんぼう　あかちゃんぼう
乗りたい

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>>17226024
Good advice. At least there are real Japs to be found there.

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>>17226867
>DS learning game
which one?

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>>17226890

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>>17226936
>>>/int/

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>>17226936
wrong board

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>>17226940
>>17226943
What? I thought /jp/ is the 3DPD idol board?

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>>17226944
J-Drama are not VNs, LNs, anime, manga, or otaku media. J-Drama are literally Japan's mainstream television live action entertainment. As such, they are not generally appropriate for this thread, and /jp/ is the diverse niche otaku interests board, so they're probably not appropriate for /jp/ at all if you're not posting inside their containment thread.

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>>17226948
You can be a J-Drama otaku though.

Anime, Manga and LNs are also Japan's mainstream entertainment.

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>>17226955
>This thread is for the discussion and learning of Japanese with raw VNs, LNs, anime and manga.
>If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

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>>17226943
>>17226944
I take it back if its purely for learning and not as a recommendation of 'compelling content'
as 3dpd is as far from compelling as one can get

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すごーい

たーのしー

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>>17226957
Better add dorama to the OP starting next thread you imbeciles.

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>>17226984
Not even logic. Try again.

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>>17226985
>>17226978
>>17226957
>>17226948
damn you are autistic lol

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>>17226964
>I take it back if its purely for learning
Well, I mined アプレ娘 from an episode now, really strange vocab especially in drama set in 19th century

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>>17226982
i do it see a violation of it with idols and vocaloid

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>>17227000
Wouldn't happen if you watched J-drama for listening practice.

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>>17227009
Both of those are specifically mentioned as being allowed in the rules.

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>>17227000
>>17227011
This is one of the downsides of using anime/visual novels for listening practice. It's well known people speak nothing like that in real life.

>>17227009
90% of the actors/actresses double as idols, so that works out nicely.

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>>17227022
Bullshit. If you're going that far people don't speak like in jdrama either. It's all acting.

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>>17227028
VNs are probably one of the easiest places to find realistic voice acting, because they're not constrained to fit the flow of the scene in realtime, and there's shittons of voiced lines to sift through to find good ones. At least as long as you're not reading moege. Here's some examples from FSN.

https://a.safe.moe/n0BUC.wav
https://a.safe.moe/F2AGJ.wav
https://a.safe.moe/I2m6r.wav

It's obviously still acted but it's not timed unnaturally.

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>>17227022
Is there anything I can do to improve my natural communication/listening?
Or is this really a case of it being impossible to become proficient in language without living among natives for a while?

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How long does it usually take to be able to pass N4 with a good grade?

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>>17227405
A week maybe.

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ヨーグルトって

おりょうりにつかえる？

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>>17227639
So that he can have something higher than N5 without having to doing anything that requires real knowledge.

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>>17227719
You could, and you wouldn't gain anything from it other than a piece of paper.

Aim for N2 December 2018

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>>17227744
And what happens if you fail the test?

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>>17227750
i think i'm almost ready for n5

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>>17227757
悲しいね？

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>>17227750
数独

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>>17227744
sorry but n4 is a certificate of exactly that and youre literally better off with one of these instead

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>>17227775
ok, thanks

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>>17227744
That would be N1 with score of 175 and above.

(Like mine.)

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>>17227883
It'll take those 15 points in Japanese preferential immigration system and advantages for acceptance at Japanese universities. Nice score helps there too, Japanese pay attention to it.

Ultimately you're right, but >>17227887 is too.

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>>17227916
>>17227960
Look at these fags acting like they're going to go to a university.

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>>17227982
I'm going to become CEO of Nissan.

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It makes me feel insecure and uncomfortable when I think someone is better at Japanese than me.

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>>17228022
にいさんなにをいいだすんだい

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>>17227050
Anime, VNs, J-Drama, music, etc, are all bad for listening practice. They are 100% robotic Japanese. Watch the news instead

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>>17228220
The news is more robotic than most VNs. You don't know Japanese.

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>>17228220
I just watch nip youtubers. ASMR youtubers tend to have 相談 videos where they talk naturally about random shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NZ7mCSyUjs&t=0s
Someone posted this youtuber once and I really like her
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5X_3tMUYZY
She streams a lot.

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>>17228267
You dont know what the news is

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>>17228274
You're an idiot and have no place giving people advice, let alone correcting the advice of others.

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>>17228285
I didn't give anyone advice, I just told you to fuck off because you said something wrong.

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>>17228289
And I corrected your factually wrong statements.

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>>17228283
Ah, STEM. Fair enough then.

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>>17228310
>Stop posting. You are toxic.

>>17228289
>fuck off

said from the pure definition of toxic

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>>17228316
The pot calls the kettle black like it justifies anything.

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Be nice.

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>>17228326
It's worse. Read the OP.
>>17228325
He used that idiom right.

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>>17228347
Nobody suggested neutrality

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>>17228360
Ironic shitposting is just shitposting.

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>>17228360
What might you be referring to?

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>>17228362
Who are you quoting?

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>>17228363
That's not shitposting though. The Reddit paid version is truly great.
>>17228364
The Reddit version of the guide. It's really good. Especially the paid version.

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can you dingbats just go jack off and come back when you can act normal

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>>17228366
Self-evident

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Reposting my question here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/6j8d4f/another_confusing_jlpt_n5_question/

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>>17228326
DJT emphasizes reading above all. Tae Kim is meant to get your feet wet and get you into reading as soon as possible.
Genki is a much more gentle, but time consuming entrance into Japanese. Its pretty common to see reddit users (at least posted in these threads) where they studied for years but still at a N3 or even N4 level.

I guess it really depends on how good you are with languages. If you are good, use Tae Kim and blast your way through to get to reading ASAP. If you aren't, going through Genki would be a lot less painful.

Then again it seems like Reddit's guide recommends Tae Kim before it mentions Genki.

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I currently live in Japan, and although I studied Japanese for quite some time before coming, I've never gotten a clear understanding of what words to use when talking about MY husband. I know the words for husband, 主人, 旦那, etc. Originally, I was taught to use 主人 but when my coworkers refer to their spouses, I never hear this term. When people talk to me and refer to my husband, they say OPの旦那さん, which I understand. But because no one except myself would refer to my husband as "my husband" I am still not clear on what I should use when talking about him, and if I should use -さん at the end. Thanks!

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>>17228399
I lurk both threads. Don't worry, I don't post much.

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>>17228395
Oh, and I should also say I was planning on reading Tae Kim after Genki anyway, to see a different take on things as apparently he teaches a more casual style than Genki.

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>>17228393
in your case probably 買春者

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>>17228431
Since when does being garbage prohibit you from spotting other garbage?

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>>17228434

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>>17228388
Referto him as 紐さん

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I want to be able to write my name in Katakana, which has a long consonant sound at the end. I know of the dash in katakana but I wasn't sure if it was exclusive for vowels.
Can I just repeat the consonant?
>>17228445
Why are you a registered user on this website?

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>>17228433
>>17228436
Ah, now I feel like such an idiot. I even tried jisho's radical search. Thanks sempais

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>>17228450
How the hell does a long consonant work

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should this thread even exist if the posters cant re rail it from such low level garbage

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>>17228519
It depends on who you're talking to.

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>>17228456
May I ask why are you registered on that Subreddit?

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>>17228519
Its informal, generally used by males in my experience.

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So I've been doing a little of the polite speech, and I know that some words take 'o' to become polite, some 'go' and some use neither. What I would like to know is if there is a rule or pattern, or if there is some resource I can use to find out which is right. I tried Google but came away with not very much.

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When stating my age of 20, do I say "Watashi wa nijuusai desu" or "hatachi sai desu"?

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>>17228548

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>>17228519
It's extremely common. The more Japanesey way to say it would be 心配しないで。

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>>17228562
I've also heard a lot something like 「気にしないで」does it means the same ?

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>>17228562
My girlfriend uses it on a regular basis so I suspect so.

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How do I ride dick in Japanese?!

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>>17228585