Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1814

[Anonymous No.]

Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>17118420

This thread is for the discussion and learning of Japanese with raw VNs, LNs, anime and manga.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Let's have a nice thread by reporting and ignoring off-topic posts.
がんばってゆっくりしていってね！！！

[Anonymous No.]

Which is the single most essential book for learning one should have? Looking to order something in print.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17137769
https://www.amazon.com/Revised-Enlarged-Exercises-Yokohama-Dialect/dp/1332190456

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>Under Maintenance

>AnkiWeb is currently undergoing maintenance, and should be up again shortly.


REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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I've been really demotivated to study anons.
Give me some of your best tips or ideas to keep myself motivated to seriously practice my Japanese.

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>>17137864
You don't need motivation to make yourself do something. Put in the hours every day or accept that you won't learn Japanese. Set a goal to reach each day and just fucking do it, never let yourself have excuses.

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>>17137864
Treat studying the way you treat brushing your teeth. You do brush your teeth daily?

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>>17137927
Brushing my teeth doesn't take three hours.

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>>17137864
Just schedule in a hour or so to just do Japanese, same time each day. Then just do it.

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I've been doing 3 lessons of Tae Kim a day

Should I increase my daily studying? I've never used Anki and the only Vocabulary I know is from Tae Kim's Complete Japanese Guide.

Also, should I do all of Kim's Complete guide + grammar guide or just one or the other?

From what others are saying, Anki is pretty helpful but should I study basic grammar before vocabulary?

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I've apparently completely finished the core 2k/6k anki deck, much to my surprise. I have my own deck of words I encounter in the wild as well that I'm still learning from. Is there another standardized deck I should look for?

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>>17138051
Read the guide.

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>>17138051
I only started anki/vocab after finishing Tae Kim's. The Complete Guide and the Grammar Guide have a ton of overlap, though the Grammar guide does have more content overall.

Personally I went even slower than you and only did the Complete Guide, but these days when I go back to look up grammar points I refer to the Grammar Guide. I think it's hard to start anki without at least basic grammar because without it the example sentences won't make any sense.

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>>17138074
Alright thank you!

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how do you read the 方 in
速い方がいい
and which of the 3000 meanings is the right one?

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>>17138144
かた

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>>17138144
Install Rikai and hover over it.

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>>17138144
ほう
comparison

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what's a good study plan for genki if I have loads of time? just blaze through it or pace myself in some way?

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>>17138165
lol that's not a meaning

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>>17138175
Yeah, it's a usage, strictly speaking.

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>>17138144
By default I would read that as ほう unless the context indicated otherwise, because ほうがいい is a very common grammatical construction.

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>>17138144
Hou.

"~Hou ga X" basically sorta means "~is more X"

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>>17138245
I just rikai'd it and I don't see hou anywhere
You sure that's right?

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>>17138253
Yes, anon is right. ～の方がいい is almost always pronounced のほうがいい when the meaning is "X is better".

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>>17138261
With or without the の.

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>>17138261
Oh, so he meant ほう, not hou, my bad

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>>17138253
I wanted to be mean to you, but now it's clear you're a genuine beginner.

Yeah, it's ほう.

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>>17138253
positive.
Here, check the Jisho http://jisho.org/search/%E6%96%B9%20%23kanji

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>>17138272
It's the second kanji in Touhou, if that's any help

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>>17138279
Sorry I don't watch touhou, thanks though

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Well that clears that up.

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>google "genki study plans"
>reddit threads suggesting not to set goals and finish dates
no wonder those fags like duolingo

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>>17138554
This is where kanji is pretty cool, you should be able to infer the approximate meaning just from them. It's likely describing some kind of slimy mucus-like substance

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Is there a way to sync my phone and computer so I can do my reps on computer without having to start over?

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>>17138750
Yes. By syncing.

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>>17137864
Think of all the doujin that are never translated.

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How did you make the change from Core to a mining deck

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>>17138776
You just do it.

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>>17138755
sigh I'm sorry for that question it was painful to read the response. (now I feel stupid)

[Anonymous No.]

What's the best way to recover from a long layoff in Anki? I was deathly sick for awhile and now I'm staring at 800+ cards.

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I've just started out learning by using the djt kana flashcards.

I'm progressing fairly well in terms of recognizing kana and knowing the correct sounds, but I'm much worse at going from a sound to picturing or being able to write the kana.

Does anyone have a good method for this, or should I just write down the new kana a lot every time I add a line in the flashcards?

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>>17138914
what I'm doing right now is just taking the guide to learning hiragana and katakana book and writing two rows of every character, and two rows of every word in the review section. I've filled an A4 page every day for over 10 days now and I'm getting pretty good at my hiragana. of course, you can go faster than this

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>>17138944
Thanks, I'll try that out. I really need to take a better look at the resources, I really just jumped right in and started grinding flashcards.

Looks like that could teach some vocabulary too, which is nice, since I haven't done any of that.

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>>17138914
A few years ago I got an app called Dr. Moku for kana (although it was 2 separate apps, one for hiragana and the other for katakana). Back then, it only cost $2 per app. However, I believe it costs $8 currently. I learned both hiragana and katakana completely in 1 day from these apps, and after not thinking about Japanese for 2 or so years, I still completely remember hiragana (I did need to recall the katakana - but only took an hour or so)

I'm not that far ahead of you in learning Japanese. However, after learning Kana I suggest you start with Tae Kim's complete guide to Japanese. Here's the link: http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/

Pic somewhat unrelated

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>>17139049
Chart, original, less bad, etc.

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Does anyone know when ゑ is used? I've never seen it before and all of the kana guides I read back when I learned hiragana always seemed to exclude ゑ for whatever reason.

Is it even used? When I use my kana keyboard it isn't even autoselected to ゑ.

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2seconds in google the question

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>>17139075
haha alright I'll save that one then.

The only VN I've ever read was Steins;Gate but it was in English. I just saved that photo last night for when I was ready to start reading Japanese content.

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Ok.
Who the FUCK names their dog "batman"?

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>>17138895
Just doing them. If you remember them they'll get a longer delay anyway. If you don't get all in one day, disable new cards for a while.

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>The site is in need of around $150 for imperative site expenses to keep this place running as usual. Please help by donating and spreading the word.

Quick, someone recursively download imabi's whole site.

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where do you download VNs to practice with now that nyaa is dead?

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>>17139079
Its out of modern use, unless you're reading some rather old documents, you wont see it.

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>>17139257
I created an epub of it once. But it's outdated now. And he added romaji which can not be easily filtered out (the <i> tags are not only used in the romanji, unfortunately), so I don't feel like it now.

>>17139264
nyaa.si

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>>17139273
Okay, I wrote a bash script to do it.

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>>17139273
>nyaa.si
What's this difference between this and nyaa.pantsu.cat?

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>>17139287
More people upload new stuff to .si.

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>>17139079
ゑ and ゐ aren't used in the present day. But rarely used as names of products and shops like ゑびすビール.

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>>17139292
Why? As far as I can tell .cat was there first

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>>17139287

si is cartel scum and pantsu is not

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>>17139299
Ah I see, that explains it

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>>17139298
.cat is down more than .si is.
More than half the time I've tried to access .cat it's been down. It's gotten better recently, but all the uploaders are long gone.

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>>17139298
There are three reasons I can think of:
1) The .si suffix is more familiar so it drags in people who don't have good english
2) pantsu.cat was basically suffocating under load all the time until recently
3) si has more momentum already because of the above two factors

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>>17139317
So no reason?

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>>17139327
2 is a very good reason. Stop being annoying.

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>>17139327
.si was also created by some of the former admins of the old nyaa, apparently.

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>>17139331
Go back to watching Horrible Subs, pleb.

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>>17139339
Okay, let me add a fourth reason.
4) a certain pantsu.cat fan is really annoying

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>>17139257
>imabi
Got a bookmark for ages now but never used it.
What's so special about it that you don't wanna lose it?

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>>17139354
It has more information than other freely available resources. It's not special in any other way, IMO.

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>>17139271

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>>17139373
taboweba

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With Rikaikun (chrome) can you still use that feature of importing by hitting the 'r' key? Do I need to download something additionally to do that?

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>>17139404
You can't. Switch to firefox or use yomichan.

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>>17139404
check out Yomichan. You'll have to use external software to install dictionaries and anki support but it's easy to do.

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>>17139264
Realise that you are the type of person responsible for social media and blogging and forums becoming less popular. There are plenty of alternatives available, and if you're too lazy to find them, the djt guide has a few of them.

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おはようおにいちゃん

おなかいたい

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I saw in a documentary that in Japanese prisons, you have to spend all your free time learning something/reading/etc.

Is it worth going to Japan and going to prison so I can learn Japanese?

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>>17139466
Depends. Do you plan on entering Japan again afterwards? Because they won't let you.

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>>17139466
>>17139470
Adding to this, you also won't be able to get a decent job for the rest of your life.

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>>17139466
I've read stories from westerners that were imprisoned in Japan and at least in those that was not the case. Also you'll get brutal interrogations for weeks on end (keep in mind Japan has an insanely high conviction rate, and admitting guilt is enough proof for them to convict you)

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>>17139466
They'd just send you home.

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今日、ビジュアルノベルを読むことは苦しんだ。

Reading was painful today.

I wrote a translation to what I wanted to say cause I'm so fucking dekinai that I'm not sure if I fucked up.

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>>17139520
When you're that bad at japanese everything is going to be painful, so get used to it.

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Anyone have that pic of germanyball trying to learn japanese to read ものべの pls?

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>>17139527
T-thx for cheering me up.
Okay what did I fuck up this time?

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>>17139520
Your sentence is pretty close to being right (and technically still could be), but it reads more like "Today, reading was in pain."

Instead, you should use に instead of は (or you could do には), like so:

今日、ビジュアルノベルを読むことに苦しんだ。

It probably reads even better if you change the ending to be 苦しんでいた, as that makes it clear that you were in an ongoing state of pain.

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>>17139610
I see thank you.
I guess need to learn more about the に particle, it's the one I have the most trouble with.

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>>17139651
に is a pretty difficult particle, as it can translate to a wide variety of English words depending on the context. In this case it is acting kind of like the word "by", in the same way that you would use it in the passive case. Example:

私は彼に殺された。
"I was killed BY him."

The sentence you tried to write is similar.

今日、ビジュアルノベルを読むことに苦しんでいた。
"Today, BY reading, (I) was in pain."

There are many more instances where the に particle gets used in this fashion, and learning to recognize it was a big step for me in my own understanding of Japanese. Hopefully this helps.

頑張ってね

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>>17139677
>Hopefully this helps.
It does indeed, thank you very much anon.

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Statistics for middle school girls who use superior pronouns:

一人称に「ボク」「オレ」を使用しているのはそれぞれ女子全体の1.2%・3.8%であり、「ジブン」も含めて男性一人称を使用している者は5.0%を占める。

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%9C%E3%82%AF%E5%B0%91%E5%A5%B3

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>>17139722
They were probably all trolling the poll.

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>>17137747
Sorry for the shitty question, but I just wanted some clarification on how you're supposed to utilize the Anki Core 2k/6k deck given in the guide.

I've been running through the deck pretty smoothly the past few days and have been able to retain my recognition of the vocab/kanji decently well. I'm just not sure whether or not it's intended for me to actually be learning the stroke order or practice physically writing the kanji while moving along through the cards.

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>>17139747
Doesn't matter, though it's usually considered inefficient to learn to write when you don't know japanese yet, but as long as you're not using a terrible method that hides real japanese from you, you can't mess up really.

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>>17139747
If you want to be able to physically write kanji, then I recommend that you do learn the stroke order of each new kanji as you encounter it. My personal method for flash cards is as follows:

1) Look at word
2) Say the reading out loud
3) Say the definition
4) Physically write the kanji
5) Reveal answer
6) Listen to example sentence without looking at it
7) Repeat example sentence out loud
8) Try to remember the kanji for each of the words in the example sentence
9) Think about what the sentence means
10) Check to see if I got everything right
11) Hit the appropriate difficulty button

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>>17139774
>Say the reading out loud
Do you mean all the common readings with that, or just the main one?

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>>17139774
Thanks, I'll try some of those methods out and see how I fare then.

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>>17139787
Just the reading for that particular word, though if a particular pair of kanji can be multiple words (Example: 人気 can be ニンキ or ひとケ) then I try to remember them both and will modify the card to contain both readings. Also, I modify the reading entry on the card to reflect whether it's a 訓 or 音 (kun or on) reading. I do this by making all 音 readings into katakana.

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>>17139774
Bloody hell, and I thought I was a bit autistic for just doing 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 10 and 11. How many hours do you spend doing your reps like that?

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>>17139801
Not very long, actually. I'm only doing 20 new words a day between my two decks (core 10k and my own deck) and it usually takes me about an hour to finish reviews for both. My own deck (made through Rikaisama and now Yomichan) takes less time since it doesn't have example sentences in it.

This does make me curious though, how many new words do other people do per day through Anki?

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>>17139812
50

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>>17139824
Do you feel like you can successfully retain that many new words per day? Maybe I should step up my new cards per day.

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>>17139812
20, takes me about 45 minutes. I'm >>17139801
Actually all my new cards are from mining now, so I don't get to listen to example sentences much anymore, but I do read the source sentence sometimes just to make sure which definition was relevant.

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>>17139439
I'm trying to import j-j dictionary, but it doesn't seem to work (it's not listed in the supported dictionaries on the website). Do you know any that might work?

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>>17137772
>https://www.amazon.com/Revised-Enlarged-Exercises-Yokohama-Dialect/dp/1332190456

LOL'd so hard thanks for finding such a great resource

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>>17138051
In the grand scheme of things, Tae's guide is just a drop in the bucket. You will be "done" with the lessons in relatively no time at all, but will need to refer to the same concepts as you continue.

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>>17137776
>>>/int/

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>>17139872
大辞林 or literally anything else in the CoR...

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>>17139812
20 new cards a day will bring you to about 200-300 reviews a day, so it depends on your time and speed.
I set it to 10 new daily, and then increase ten more at the end of it if got some free time.

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>>17138776
Suspend all unseen cards and unsuspend words you want or add them like normal

[Anonymous No.]

How did you make the change from romaji to hiragana

[Anonymous No.]

So I just spent 3 days dealing with shitty ddl sites to grab the raws for 'Mix'
I put it up on mega because no one should have to put up with that shit.

https://mega.nz/#F!pphRQL4K!WvrtMaC_RfS0xR9MgRiE6Q

Threw a few other things up that were not on the CoR.

If the CoR guy or the MoeManga guy is here, feel free to put these up.

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>>17140178
Stop watching tokyo ghoul and study hiragana for 20 minutes.

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>>17140179
in the future i hope you use jdownloader

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>>17139722
あたしのまわりにもボクっこひとりいるよ

そのこはガチＬＧＢＴ

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>>17140180
How do you make the change from english to romaji

[Anonymous No.]

So, the faster I write (and therefore the uglier), the better?

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>>17140210
yes of course

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Why were these threads on /a/ in the first place anyone?

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>>17140227
because they belong there.

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Is there any reason at all to learn to write kanji?

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>>17140233
Shitposting on SUPERIOR image boards.

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>>17140235
You don't need to know how to write kanji for that, just read it. Is there a legit reason to know how to write kanji like a real nipponjin?

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>>17140198
Does it skip the limit on how many files you can download in a day?

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>>17140233
If you listen to /int/
>omg i just love LINE, moving there soon
if you listen to /jp/
>>17140235

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>>17140241
I wonder up to what level you can get away with that.

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>>17140252
There's no writing on the JLPT, right? Why couldn't I just memorize the looks of Kanji and do so much reading that I don't forget them when I see them even if I can't conjure them up on paper? I see no reason to learn to write them unless I want to be a Japanese author or something.

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>>17140262
accurate production != memorization aid

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>>17140271
What are you trying to say?

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>>17140249
no but it automatically schedules stuff and pops up captcha without having to load it on time manually

[Anonymous No.]

I think I'm doing my anki cards wrong. I just started recently and I got pic related for the second time. I thought it was "あげる” the first way around (with "to improve" but it was "上る”. How am I supposed to tell the difference, without context (in anki), and how do I score myself?

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>>17140179
Thanks.

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>>17140284
Use jisho.org

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>>17140284
You forgot your image so I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about, but I add sentences to the cards where I need context (and add multiple cards for different meanings of the same word).

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>>17140284
上げる
上る

It's more difficult knowing which meaning of 上げる you need to apply. The Up/Down kanji are monsters.

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>>17140310
>>17140309
Ah yeah sorry this addon sometimes messes up since it posts too fast or something.

I guess it was just 上げる　vs 上る; I just read it wrong. I'll use that advice though, thanks!

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>tfw it took me 24 hours to reach the first sex scene in Amayui
100+ hours here we go

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>>17140310
>The Up/Down kanji are monsters.
上下
目下

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>>17140054

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>>17140329
＞上下
＞目下
何？問題は？

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>>17140331
>pay attention to me
nah thats /int/ in a nutshell

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>>17140338
特にありません、悔しいだけです

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>>17140315
はしごを上って（のぼって）屋根に上がる

[Anonymous No.]

日本語を十ヶ月ぐらい勉強してるぞ
やっぱ漢字を習うのがめっちゃ複雑で難しいなー

できないちゃんはどこ？

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>>17140395
>どこ
自分の心

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So I'm learning baby first grammar and I have a question.
When does ーために mean "because" and when does it mean "in purpose of"?

because:
X ために Y - because of X, Y

in purpose of:
X ために Y - in purpose of X, Y

Do I have to guess every time, which works in the context?

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>>17140430
i'd like to think of it as "for the sake of"
X のために Y = for the sake of X, Y

[Anonymous No.]

How did you approach your first grammar guide?

Did you blitzkrieg it, coming to only a partial understanding of each grammatical concept, reading moreso to familiarize yourself with the appearance of the language than attain a comprehension of it, so that you might move to native material and reference back as needed?

Or did play the slow game, pensively turning each page only once you had read and re-read and cross-referenced every single item to make sure you "understood" it as best possible within the limited context provided?

I am apprehensive of both approaches. I started out reading Japanese the Manga way leisurely and with no special effort or attention, but my perceived lack of retention was discouraging. The problem with the opposite approach is that I can see myself getting caught in the trap of enough never being enough, spending hours pouring over the most basic or obvious points to make sure I """""understand""""" them even though such a thing is impossible in a vacuum.

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>>17140401
笑
できないちゃんじゃない
「怠惰ちゃん」と言った方がいいぞ

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>>17140442
Oh, thank you! Now it makes sense.

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>>17140454
Do whatever you feel like. How long did it take you to learn English? It will probably take that long or longer to learn Japanese. Just relax and be patient, it'll all be okay.

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>>17140454
I made a custom Anki deck out of the sentences in JTMW. The consequence of that was that I never needed to refer back to the guide when I was reading because I had the grammatical explanations memorized, which was my preference. Of course, you can get the same results without Anki by just reading and referring back to the guide if that's your thing. You can't possibly fail to learn grammar unless you don't read at all.

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>>17140454
Became a sheep, following DJT guide and reading through Tae Kim. In a way, you have a point of only being able to partially understand the concepts.

There is a pitfall of getting used to what you know vs what the right usage should be. Unless you have someone correct you each time, then there would be no point in going through the points over and over again.

The point is, you either put it into practice, or learn to recognise those patterns in whatever material you're reading.

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>>17140454
I read through Tae Kim at a normal pace (I think. Took me 2 weeks) and wrote down some notes for each chapter, usually a simplified explanation of the essential concepts.
I highly suggest that you read through both Tae Kim and JtMW simultaneously, if you have the time.

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which djt is better the one here or the one in /int/?

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>>17140505
Which is better, the blind leading the blind, or the retarded leading the blind?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17140505
How can a thing be better than itself?

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>>17140512
I'd say the former.

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>>17140505
They offer the same guide, but allow for different groups to choose
do you want to consume the media and dont give a single fuck about production? stay here
do you want to be a social butterfly and make over a hundred japanese friends, one day live there and make hafus with a 3dpd wife? go to int

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>>17140579
What if I want to be a social butterfly and make over 100 japanese friends and make hafus with a 2D wife?

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>>17140597
You post on both threads.

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>>17140646
How do I post on the /int/ one though? Everyone uses pepes and twitterspeak and probably has girlfriends and just going there pisses me off.

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>>17140654
>pepes and twitterspeak
Who are these "pepes" and "twitterspeak"? Are they learning Japanese too?

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>>17140654
結論出ているじゃないですか

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>>17140654
I don't have a girlfriend and I post there. Sometimes I can't even tell both threads apart.

[Anonymous No.]

今日は2時くらいにエロゲを読んでからオナニーした。とっても気持ちいいです。

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おぶおんすたーずあんどがーるになりたい

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>>17140667
Am I leaving out a conclusion?

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Is the JLPT filled with mouthbreathing, disgusting weebs or there are decent normals taking it too?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17140708
yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>17140708
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>17140715
嘘ついちゃダメ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17140708
It's only disgusting weebs from /djt/ taking it

[Anonymous No.]

Where do you guys download raw manga after nyaa?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17140756
Youtube.

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>>17140708
You'll find normals in lower levels. N1 is filled with autists.

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>>17140756
I just draw my own manga now.

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>>17140756
The cor

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So, on the first day of anki I have the 四 kanji. So, I'm like "yon. 4" but there's another Kanji 四 that means "shi. 4". How the hell am I supposed to know which one it is when it comes up? Am I just retarded?

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>>17140763
It's literally the same kanji. よん is the kun reading, し is the on reading. Just remember that it can be either, though far more often し in compounds.

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>>17140763
くんよみとおんよみと

とくしゅよみがあるからね

ようこそにほんへ

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>>17140772
I got you. I just wish that both were on one card

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>>17140787
If a particular word has multiple readings you can just edit it into the card manually. That's what I usually do.

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>>17140772
this is right
四天王 is not よん for example but you dont use し with counters

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>>17140799
>>17140776
>>17140772
it seems like I need to read the grammar guide ASAP

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I have not yet started learning japanese yet (but I will very soon, once duolingo starts it course on android, and I will take a class in it this fall).

As far as I know, kanji are self-contained words, and you have to just memorize each and every one of them to know them... Okay, sure, that works. But what happens if you encounter a kanji character you have not seen before? Unlike an alphabet, you can't puzzle out hte pronounciation because it's arbitrary, and there is no system in the shape, so you cannot find it in the dictionary (unless you just manually go through every kanji, which seems inefficient)

Am I missing something important here? Are some of my stated assumptions incorrect? I know that the pronounciation of rarely used kanji are sometimes written in Hiragana (I think... Either that or Katakana) beside the kanji, but if that isn't there, how do you know?

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>>17140844
Don't memorize single kanji. Just learn whole words.

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>>17140844
Kanji are built from the same building blocks (components) and one particular shape in it is the 'anchor'/most important piece (the radical). Traditional dictionaries sort kanji by radicals, so if you know the radicals you can find it. Jisho.org lets you filter kanji by their component pieces, so if you know the pieces and the number of strokes required to write it you can find the kanji easily.

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>>17140855
Not him, but does that subconsciously cause you to learn them anyways?

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>>17140844
>hte pronounciation because it's arbitrary
Phonetic radicals

>>17140859
Yes, but unlike memorizing kanji, learning vocab helps you read more.

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>>17140855
it's easier to recognise new words when you know the meaning of each kanji character. found that later on, even readings can be made easier this way. sure, it's a lot more work but it surely pays off in the long run.

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>>17140811
四球 walk

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>>17140844
https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/6fn4up/how_do_you_look_up_the_meaning_of_an_unknown_kanji/

Are you desperate for attention, retarded, or just reposting dumb questions from reddit on here for some reason?

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>>17140924
How did you find that? Did you just paste his post into Google? If so, why?

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>>17140924
>just reposting dumb questions from reddit on here for some reason?
someone here has previously admitting to doing just that
Hes hoping to stop people coming here and learning jap at all costs

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>>17140949
How can we stop such a man?

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>>17140951
>Let's have a nice thread by reporting and ignoring off-topic posts.
follow the OP my dude

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>――心が、壊れた狂人だ。
>校内に流れている噂話が、勝手に頭の中で再生される。
I'm having a hard time understanding the usage of 再生 here, is it talking about 噂話?

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>>17140973
Yes. See meaning 5.
Also note meaning 7, that might prove confusing to you in the future, so learn it now.

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>>17140973
Yes, 再生される in the sense of rumors continuing to pop back up in your head, assumedly.

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>>17140949
Leaving this thread will serve as a real help to anyone's Japanese studies though.

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>>17141149

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Whatbis the Shite ite ne part of the OP? I haven't encountered that conjugation yet. I assume it's some variant of the ~te form but I can't figure out the tense

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>>17141213
Kill yourself, romaji fucker.

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>>17141213
していく -> していって.
http://maggiesensei.com/2010/03/13/requested-lesson-「〜ていく＋〜てくる」teiku-tekuru/

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>>17141228
Don't be mean. You used to be a beginner too, N2-kun.

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>>17141237
You're not allowed to call people N2-kun when you're not even N2 yourself. Come back when you learned basic grammar, faggot.

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>>17141135
Thanks, from what I've gathered from meaning 5 it's something like recalling a past experience (used esp. in studying), right? Meaning 7 is completely beyond me though, besides it partially meaning "recording video."

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>>17141243
Why the rage, N3-kun?

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>>17141228
there is literally nothing wrong with romaji
it can be parsed and produced with the exact same efficiency as spoken japanese

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>>17141244
Like the note next to meaning 5 says, "recall" works pretty well. I.e. "recall the rumors" in the case od your sentence. "Replay them in your mind", if you will.

Meaning 7 is close to meaning 5, except the act moves from inside your head to the external world and using technology. It's "(re)play recorded data", eg. music, video. Even for example on Youtube.

Here you can see "再生ボタン" used as "play button".
http://雑学まとめ.jp/youtuber/2437/
>YouTubeにもらえる銀の再生ボタンの材質や贈呈の条件が気になる！

In this vein you'll see contexts where "再生" = "play".

I initially found this weird and thought you might too, so I mentioned it.

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What does そのさま mean in dictionary definitions?

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>>17141272
"That state."

When you can use the word as an adjective.

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>>17141278
Thanks man

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>>17141264
Thanks a lot. Daijirin's definition akin to 5 is a little interesting here.
> 〔心〕 記憶の第三段階で，記銘され保持された経験内容を再現すること。想起。
I'm assuming it's talking about third stage of memory (unconsciousness), memorizing things automatically/not on purpose. 勝手に in my previous sentence strengthens this assumption anyways.

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>>17141284
The 〔心〕 sign means 心理学 and indicates the meaning explains the word as it's used in 心理学. It's just gonna be the third step here, with 記銘 being step 1 and 保持 step 2.

I'm no psychology expert, but it doesn't seem like doing it "automatically/not on purpose" is necessary in this.

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>>17141289
That's right, I was thinking 段階 as level/grade for some reason. しまった

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I am going to pay for classes and nobody can stop me

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>>17141429
Been there, done that.
無駄だよ。

[Anonymous No.]

repeatならつかったことあるんじゃないかなあとおもうけど

recallはankiしたことしかないよ

ankiしかしたことないことばって

つかえないとおもうよ

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>>17141444
>444
認めますが、ankiのはかなり便利なソフトですよ

使えなければ、もっと妹さんに便りになりまたかも

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>>17141538
楽譜が読めるのに、演奏できないとしたのなら

それは無為だとおもうよ

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When と is used as a quoting particle like

*quoted statement*と思う

Can the 思う part be dropped?

Not sure if と is used as quoting particle in the sentence I'm reading.

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>>17141590
I wouldn't, usually if there is just a と, the implied part is some form of 言う, not 思う. Basically like って .

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>>17141630
I see that makes sense, thank you.

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>mfw can read well but still not that great at listening

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>>17141652
Story of my life

If you mostly like reading, pick up some VNs or something, then you get listening practice for free.

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I'm not sure about this sentence.

「そーかそーか、春ちゃんにも春だけに春が来たか」

I think it means something like "Spring came, because of that haru-chan has spring fever too"

So they are playing with the different meanings of 春, the name, the season and spring as I don't know the breeding season or something like that.

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>>17141652
That's literally impossible, if you can read something with a decent pace you can also listen to it.

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>>17141684
Why do you think so? It's pretty demonstrably false.

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>>17141683
最後の春は恋愛の隠語だとおもうよ

[Anonymous No.]

Have you drunk your Anki today?

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>>17141719
It's the same progress only simplified because you don't have to stop and wonder about readings. The only thing you could struggle with is having the pace so to speak forced on you, but reading a book should always be faster than listening to an audiobook to begin with. If you struggle with listening, then that's because you are not confident with the language, not because you somehow suck at listening. If you keep reading books all day your problem is gonna be solved on it's own without hearing a single word of spoken Japanese.

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Have you drunk your Anki today?

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When you say that food is うまい, do you mean that the food is good or that the cook is skillful?

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>>17141765
Nah man. Maybe that would be true if sound was a perfect representation of information, but it isn't. The brain require practice to be able to pick out the sounds and piece it back together to a sentence. You can't get this practice without actually doing listening practice. The vision system and hearing system in the brain are completely different and training one doesn't train the other.

If you know the pronunciation and rythm of Japanese and kind of imagine the sounds in your head while reading, it might make you better to listen to idealized voice acting like you'd find in movies and audio books, but even that is not really representative of natural japanese. In real conversations, every sound is somewhat slurred and the sentence structure and word choice is quite different from that of text. So there is really just no comparison.

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>>17141780
Look at these kanji and tell me
美味い

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>>17141780
Usually it would be obvious, but you raise an interesting point. If I say 彼はケーキがうまい, how do you know whether I'm saying "he's good at making cakes", "his cakes are delicious" or "he finds cake delicious"?

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>>17141818
>彼はケーキ
I'd know you're a gaijin who doesn't know Japanese so I wouldn't even attempt to understand you

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>>17141856
彼が本当にうまいケーキですわよ

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>>17141548
ノウタリンですから、ごめんね

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>>17141789
>Look at these kanji and tell me
Look at these kanji and tell me what they sell
八百屋
>>17141818
>how do you know whether I'm saying "he's good at making cakes", "his cakes are delicious" or "he finds cake delicious"?

By not writing like a pleb perhaps? "his cakes" for example would be 彼のケーキ not は.

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>>17141877
Vegetables n shit, obviously.

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>>17137927

...well...

しと

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How am i supposed to study kanji? Is memorizing individual characters recommended, because that's what i'm doing currently with an app on my phone. Yes i read the guide, but i had started studying with this method months ago and would like to keep studying like this. What would be the next step when i confident with my kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

Will people keep asking the exact same questions 10 years from now too

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>>17141906
How am i supposed to study kanji? Is doing the opposite of what the guide tells me a good idea, because that's what i'm already doing. Yes i read the guide, but i had started doing the opposite of what it says months ago and would like to keep studying the wrong way. What would be the next step when i realize kanji aren't japanese?

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>>17141906
Sorry but that method is shit and you're really fucking yourself up. There is no "next step", you're just taking a detour in a swamp where you're wasting time. The step you SHOULD be on is learning kanji in words. So I guess when you feel as if you've finished playing around, get on that.

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>>17141906
Mate. If you're still studying kanji months later, you're fucked. Drop that shit.

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>>17141906
Literally the exact reason we rage against isolated kanji study.

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>>17141906
I just learn vocab and that's worked fine for me. There isn't one holy answer, learning strategy is subjective.

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>>17141935
There's no one holy answer but there are wrong answers.

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>>17141935
>There isn't one holy answer,
There is one demonic answer, though, and that's individual kanji study.

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>>17141938
I mean, if someone does that though, and like it, then what do we care about it?

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>>17141944
We don't, the problem is when they come here telling other people to do it too.

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>>17141944
Incorrect ideas need to be stamped out and scorned lest they spread and harm the learning of others.

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>>17141765
This is false. Spoken language is much different to written. Slurs, shortened phrases, etc. The only people who would say what you are saying don't have enough experience to be telling others how learning a language works

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>>17141877
Well done you eliminated one, now what about the other two?

[Anonymous No.]

Any contemporary books on zen worth reading? I spend too much time reading religious texts in English instead of nip nip.

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>>17141963
Nope

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>>17141967
Damn I picked the wrong language then.

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>>17141963
I think you should ask dharmawheel or something similar instead of here

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>>17141923
Fucking google it.

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全く、ＶＮは怖いよ

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>>17141926
>>17141930
>>17141932
>>17141933
>>17141935
great

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>>17141904
へしがないよ！

[Anonymous No.]

おなかすいた

おなかとってもすいた

おちゃでもいいからおなかにいれたいな

しんやは売店もしまってるし

だれもこないし

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>>17142059
>おちゃでもいいからおなかにいれたいな
Someone explain what "でも" is doing in this sentence please

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>>17142074
"X or something"

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>>17141906
Don't listen to all the other shitters in this thread, kanji study helped my retention a lot.

Most people learning Japanese do kanji study, including Japanese school children.

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>>17142173
Japanese school children aren't learning japanese. They know japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

What's will all these kana-only autistic posts?

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>>17140871
I can attest to this. I first tried RTK and thought I could read because I could see the meaning of the kanzi, but I never really progressed until I learned vocab.

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>>17142230
memeに成り果てた人間の名残り

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Doing my daily Tae Kim's and i'm on the Adjective lesson in the second chapter... the skit at the end has a person saying そうですよ。as a response to 田中先生は、新しい先生ですか。

I've tried looking through my notebook to see if I msised over a definition or something, but just to clarify, does そう means 'yes' or something? I know yo is making the person aware and I out sou in translate and it came out as 'so'? I'm just confused and I think it's b/c of the topic particle b/c whenever I toggle translations the line comes out as 'That's right.' Can someone maybe explain wtf sou means in this context please? Thank you.

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>>17142316
Yes, it can be used as a confirmation of what the other person said.

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>>17142336
Thank you. Would 「よ」 be necessary then?

[Anonymous No.]

ザーメンとビーンズ™おいしいな

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>>17142339
Strictly speaking no, that's just emphasis.

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>>17142339
よ at the end of a sentence adds emphasis.

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>>17142355
>>17142360
alright, thank you very much for the clarification!

[Anonymous No.]

are the periods between kunyomi readings on jisho seperating the reading and it's okurigana?

[Anonymous No.]

Was this a mistranslation? Where does it say that he was unhappy?

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>>17142465
It's implied in that sentence structure. Note that it doesn't simply say that kazuo's friend read his letter, but that having his letter read by his friend was done upon him. That's a loaded phrasing. It's sometimes called the "suffering passive" form for that reason.

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does anyone know the kanji for しれいします, in context people say it when they leave for the day(from work).

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>>17142465
一男 was 読められた by 友達

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>>17142436
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

バーンプ or バンプ?

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>>17142607
sorry

一男 was 手紙を読められた by 友達

[Anonymous No.]

>>17142610
うんこ

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>>17142074
Basically "as well", in this case "Tea is fine AS WELL therefore I want to put it in my stomach."

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>>17142585
Looks like it's supposed to be しつれい, which is 失礼. It can be used as a formal goodbye, in the sense that you are being 'rude' by leaving.

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>>17142668
おおきに, yeah I just found it on imiwa looking up what the head sensei says when he leaves, お先に, which is the first half of that phrase. It means I'm bowing out first in a literal sense, and the reply would be お疲れ様でした。which is roughly translated as "you are Mr/Ms Tired" in actual Japan tho its more of "ok bye I'm gone" "ok see ya"

[Anonymous No.]

What is ガンギマリ ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17142777
Something to do with AIDS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17142777
First Google result.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17142777
facial expression made out of euphoria from being on drugs

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>>17142863
This.
Formally it means a drug being effective.

[Anonymous No.]

so I know that 暑い is an i-adjective, would that mean 熱い is also an i-adjective? and is there a resource like jisho where I could see if different i-ending adjectives are either i or na adjectives?

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>>17142946
It would mean that you like to suck smelly cocks.

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>>17142946
Just check if it's written form with kanji has a separate い after the kanji or if the kanji reading just happens to end in an い sound. 綺麗 (きれい) ends in an い sound but doesn't have an い written after the kanji, so it's a な-adjective, also known as a 形容動詞 in Japanese grammar. 熱い and 暑い, on the other hand, both have an actual い written after the kanji, so they are い-adjectives (形容詞).

Also, Jisho does in fact say if an adjective is い or な. If you look above the definition it gives the part of speech.

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>>17142946

[Anonymous No.]

Have any anons tried out the new Japanese Duolingo course yet? What do you think about it? It's pretty entertaining, but I'm still a beginner so I can't really offer any critiques or know how good it actually is.

The beginner lessons at least seem to focus more on teaching hiragana rather than kanji, e.g.　あか instead of 赤い

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>>17142993
It's bad. Someone else will tell you why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17142993
It's great. Fun, interactive and just overall very beginner friendly. Even though it's not even finished yet, I can already see how much effort they put on it. I'd recommend it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17142974
thank you. Although, isn't 嫌い a na-adjective yet it ends with い? Also thank you I never took notice of that or >>17142984

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>>17142974
You forgot it also might be the noun form of a verb ending in う acting as a na adjective, like 嫌い.

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>>17143010
Yeah, that's another exception, but that one is because 嫌い is the stem of the verb 嫌う. There might be other exceptions I'm not thinking of as well, but if you have Yomichan/Rikaisama it shouldn't be a problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17142993
There are over 1.2 billion people learning a language and the majority are doing so to gain access to better opportunities. Unfortunately, learning a language is expensive and inaccessible to most.

We created Duolingo so that everyone could have a chance. Free language education – no hidden fees, no premium content, just free.

Duolingo is used by the richest man in the world(*) and many Hollywood stars, and at the same time by public schools students in developing countries. We believe true equality is when spending more can't buy you a better education.

*William Henry Gates III

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143015
well i guess you answered >>17143010
I'm not that far yet, so I'll just take it with a grain of salt for now.

thanks for the help man

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>>17142993
It teaches you very little japanese over a relatively long period of time. It encourages you to put very little time into learning japanese. At its core it uses a relatively good language learning model but it uses it in the most inefficient way possible. You're better off downloading Anki and ankidroning for a few months. It'll be more straightforward and teach you more japanese.

Ignore the shills.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17142993
I'm using the Duolingo Japanese course right now since it just dropped on Android.

I'm having a bit of trouble with the hiragana lessons because I'm tending to look at the hiragana as pictures rather than as sounds, but that may be more of a personal problem. Regardless, having taken other Duolingo courses I can safely predict that this isn't going to have as much of an effect on your vocabulary as the other DJT suggestions. If anything, it's helpful for beginners, but if you actually want to write in Japanese then you'd better head back to OP's post.

[Anonymous No.]

得意不得意や学習スピードは皆違うのに、同じ教材を使って同じペースで学ぶ方法は非効率的だと思いませんか？Duolingoのシステムは数百万人が日々学習するプロセスをビッグデータから自動的に分析し、それを基に最も効果のある学習体験を各利用者にパーソナライズした形でご提供します。

私たちはテクノロジーを通じて、個別指導と同じぐらい効果的で効率的な教育を世界中の皆さまに提供することを目指しています。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143063
holy shit this guy is good

[Anonymous No.]

Is anki basically a flip card game? Am i missing some features that are supposed to be superior to any other program?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143029
>>17143050
That's a shame.

In that case, is there a good deck I can use for practicing translating sentences rather than just learn individual words/kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143066
He actually just copied it from the site.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143063
Blabla big data, technology, efficiency, personalized experience
Sounds like a bullshit presentation made in front of a shitty Powerpoint

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143074
How far are you into learning the nihongo?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143071
It's all about the timing and the spacing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143097
I have about 3-4 months worth of practice into the core2k/6k deck, but I've really slacked off on going through Tae Kim so I plan to start going through it from the beginning again. I figured if I can put what I learn into practice it might help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143129
oh. i'm the exact opposite. i'm going through tae kim but have never touched anki, which i think i will do after Tae Kim

[Anonymous No.]

Did we get kicked off of /int/ too?

[Anonymous No.]

It's time to give up this fucking language.
Jesus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143243
Epic shitpost bro

[Anonymous No.]

>彼は楽しくない。
Does this sentence have any unfortunate connotations or is it a safe way of saying "he isn't fun" as in to be around/hang out with?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm almost through Genki I and have Genki II coming in the mail soon. I've also been a good boy when it comes to Anki studying.

When can I expect to be able to load up some エロゲ and fap away without having to look up words with one hand?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17141243
imagine being elitist about learning

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143337
idk but this is my end goal

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143337
It's probably fair to say that ero scenes really have their own language and this thread is in dire need of someone creating a deck for that.

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>>17140491
A belated thank you. I think I've found my stride by simply summarizing each chapter in my own words on a sheet of loose-leaf. It's not exhaustive, but it does force me to use the knowledge at least a little bit. I feel like I'm accomplishing more than I was simply reading page to page.

[Anonymous No.]

Today I've been reading a VN for 4hours and an additional hour of manga afterwards, was fun as fuck.

Thank you DJT for telling me to stop whining and fucking read, best advice ever.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm fluent in three languages already (english isn't my native language). All ways when picking up a new language to learn i have had some kind of idea where to start, but japanese doesn't make any sense to me. Does japanese resemble western languages in anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143499
>>>/int/

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>>17143337
Are you reading native content and mining, or planning to do so soon? The standard path of failure is Genki -> Genki II -> Tobira along Core10K or whatever with no daily reading. Don't fall into the textbook trap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143499
>All ways when picking up a new language to learn i have had some kind of idea where to start

Should be "always" rather than "all ways." And it's more natural to say "When picking up a new language to learn, I always have had some kind of idea of where to start,"

I think Japanese is most similar to Turkish, as far as non-East Asian languages go.

Start with reading the guide in the OP and learning hiragana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143517
I read the guide briefly and i already know my hiragana. I moved on to the anki program and got it all setup. I went trough the first 20 cards and now i'm stuck wondering how do i review the cards i have already gone through? I'm definitely doing something wrong because i won't remember those words in 5 minutes. Anyone willing to explain some features of this user friendly program?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143555
The point of Anki isn't reviewing that stuff today, once you get it right today you leave it, but you do Anki every day and each day it will throw in a bunch of reviews (cards you've seen on previous days) in with the new cards.

How often they come up for review depends on how often you get them right or wrong, Most of the ones from today will come up tomorrow, but if you get them right tomorrow it will be a couple days, and then longer each time. The idea is that it tries to show you the word again just before you'd naturally forget it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143555
Also, don't just do Anki. It's a good program, but learn grammar too. Tae Kim, Imabi, Genki: pick one and work through it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143567
Sure thing. Any grammar book recommendations or are the virtual versions any good?
>>17143564
I see. So i can expect anki testing me tomorrow? What are the buttons "again, good etc." for?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143614
Personally, I went first through Japanese in Mangaland and then continued with Kanzen Master.
After you go comprehensively through them, then it becomes a recursive matter of rechecking concepts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143427
Sure thing. Be sure to complement it with actual reading as soon as you're able to. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143614
Again: You got the card wrong.
Hard: You barely got it right.
Good: You got it right.
Easy: You got it right instantly.

Above is as much as you really need to know. The mechanics behind each button are as follows.

Hitting again will fail the card and put it back on top of the deck, as if you were seeing it for the very first time. It will also decrease that card's ease, which is a measure of the frequency with which that particular card should be seen. A lower ease is a higher frequency. You will have to successfully pass that card more times in the future to move it the same length of time away in your deck.

Pressing "hard" passes the card and moves it on to the next scheduled set of reviews, and it also reduces the card's ease, but less severely than "again".

Good passes the card with no change to ease.

Easy passes the card and also applies a sizable bump to the card's ease.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143690
It's worth noting to not abuse the 'hard' feature, barely getting it right is something like taking more than 5 seconds to answer. Even if you mispronounce or don't understand the nuance that it's used in, hit again. Made the mistake of pressing 'hard' for a lot of things like that, consequently increasing my review time even more than if I was more strict.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143707
Yes, that is a common mistake.
You can play a bit with that and maybe press Hard instead of Again while the card is, for example, under 7 days of review. But if you didn't learn properly after so many times, just press Again. It helps to spread the cards over the week. I'm not sure if I'm hurting myself with this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143690
>>17143707
>>17143726
thanks a lot. I would've already fucked up...

[Anonymous No.]

Okay so I've been reading Hanahira and Yotsubato and I became rather confident in my reading skills.

But since these are supposed to be piss easy, would you tell me how much harder other stuff is in comparison?

I just want to know beforehand so I don't get too disappointed when I notice that I still know jack shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143752
You've probably had almost no practice with long sentences, learning how to hold multiple clauses in your head and figuring out their relationships, so that'll probably fuck you up for a while.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143752
Here's a seinen 4koma. Shouldn't be too much harder, just a bit dense for a manga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143752
https://vnscripts.neocities.org/stats.html

Sort by 1k words.

[Anonymous No.]

Question for gaijins in Japan: how much do you get detained? I heard about the whole bicycle registration thing and how you get pulled over if you even look suspicious. Is living in Japan dangerous? Is being white in Japan like being black in America?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143818
If you live in a city you might get baited into quasi-legal gaijin traps, like bars that charge you a lot more if you're foreign, but if you act like a social recluse you'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143803
Yeah I already expected longer sentences to fuck me up.
Any advice on how to get used to them?

>>17143811
Looks manageable, I'm rather relieved seeing this.

>>17143814
Not sure how to interpret this, the other VNs don't seem that much harder at first glance, save for the kanji count.
Then again Hanahira barely uses any kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143825
>quasi-legal gaijin traps

Not afraid of those. Considering the fact that I'm too much of a sperg to go to a bar or buy a hooker, I am effectively immune to stuff like that. What I am afraid of is the police. Based on anime (I know) but also based on pamphlets, it just seems like the cops there are more likely to question me. Plus the fact that like 99 percent of people who are convicted go to jail worries me a lot. I'm not sure if being raped by Japs in the shower or being raped by niggers in the shower is worse.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7kvAr2sZEY

did this guy fall for a meme


I am about to start making a mining deck, but if making anki cards is this much work, fucking kill me.

Is it sufficient enough to just get that i+1 sentence on the front, translation on the back?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143439
can you give us (n00b) advice on how you started?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143848
My fucking dog could make anki cards if she wanted to. Quit being a bitch and make them in any way you want. Didn't watch the stupid clickbait garbage video.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143848
No, that's retarded, fuck that shit, that's not i+1, don't learn to i+1, don't teach to i+1, don't do anything to i+1, i+1 Just Happens and if you try to replicate it the result isn't i+1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143840
I've only been in Japan for 2 weeks but I had contact with the police cause I forgot my camera when I was in an arcade.
I can tell you Japanese policeman are bros, no really I've been talking to a few in a police box and the police station and they are generally nice people that want to help you.

But still the Japanese want to avoid trouble at any cost, so you better try to avoid conflicts yourself when you are over there as well.
I'm not 100% sure, but it could be that if you are drunk in some nigger owned bar and he robs you afterwards, that the police will tell you it's your own fault for going there in the first place.

Japan has this "don't be a fucking retard and run into trouble or you are fucked" mind, and to be honest they are kinda right with that imo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143848
Stop taking advice from redditors and follow the mining method described in the guide. It's one key press.

[Anonymous No.]

>誰も声を発さない時間が流れた。皆、思うところがあるのだろう。

What does 思うところがある mean? For now I'm leaning towards "everyone had something to think about" but somehow it seems like a strange way to express that meaning, and there are other possibilities which I can't easily dismiss.

[Anonymous No.]

What the hell does this 概况 mean? It's not on jisho. Based on some chinese websites it seems like it means "factbook" or something, but I still don't know the Japanese reading,

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143854
Pretty much followed the guide.
1.Learn kana
2.Do core and learn grammar
3.Start reading

Reading was painful at first but if you do it on a regular basis you get used to it and become better and better.
You can do it anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143879
>they are generally nice people that want to help you

Okay that sounds cool. My personal philosophy is to mind my own business (as is the case with most Americans) and based on some of the rules there it seems like the Japanese are a little different in that respect, but it seems like I'm mistaken.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143906
概況

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143917
>>17143906
Wait shit nevermind I just realized that 概况 is actually Chinese. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143888
Google 思うところがある. It is apparently a common phrase similar to 思ったことがある.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143814
That reminds me, if the vn scripts guy is around I've got this.

https://mega.nz/#F!VxoWUYba!ML22vM50w6pPaKugyxCZ3Q
The script files for the FLOWERS games.

I couldn't get IG_tools to work, so I've just uploaded the unpacked script files.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143962
Thanks.

This is one of the most pathetic attempts at encryption I've ever seen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17142000
Don't be discouraged anon. Though it may not be the most efficient course of action, there is no truth to kanji study being absolutely wasted time. When you start studying vocabulary, (and ideally, if you are going to study kanji, you do so alongside study of the words themselves, so start now if you haven't) you'll find that your familiarity with the kanji gives you something off of which to base your memory of the words themselves. The context in which you encounter words can also act in this capacity, but when people are just starting out they don't necessarily have the experience with native material to draw on. Your retention will certainly be above that of anybody blind firing away at a premade deck. At the very least, your kanji study will hopefully help you keep some of the sadistically similar-looking characters as independent entities in your head. The 末未天夫矢失's of the world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144004
>末未
Insidious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143962
>>17143994
For future reference: arc_unpacker first, then IG_tools.

[Anonymous No.]

does anyone know who is the female in the core 2k/6k optimized deck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144141
Your mom

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144148
Fuck you pussy bitch I would say I hope you die motherfucker but your mom is probably a nice lady and she doesn't deserve that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144165
Your mom was a real nice lady to me last night

[Anonymous No.]

Is there an idiot's guide to getting the example sentences Anki add-on to work? I can't figure it out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144487
the instructions are on the addon page in plain english

[Anonymous No.]

>>17142993
Shill gtfo reeeeee

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144500
I thought I followed it perfectly but nothing shows up on the cards when I review. Downloaded the database and everything. This is how I have it set up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144538
and you've added that field to the back template right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144557
I have not done that. Thank you very much for your assistance, I'm just going to copy your format. Being the retard that I am, I just pasted {{Examples}} on the cards themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143848
This is hard to watch. What a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.]

Was there a way to import anki cards directly from ITH into anki? I seem to remember doing it a year ago, but I've forgotten entirely how to do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144769
Not right from ITH, but you can do it with rikaisama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144779

Oh, I think that's how I did it. copy and pasted from ITH into a wordpress or something and imported with Rikai. Cheers for the memory jog anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144782
Just wait till you learn about the clipboard grabber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144786

I take it that's in the guide? Just going through it now as it seems to have had some major work on it since I last saw it...

[Anonymous No.]

I know none of you give a shit about the Duolingo Japanese course, but I just wanted to know if this is pure hiragana or hiragana/katakana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17138245
>hou
hoo

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144836

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144841

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144845

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144838
hoor(filthy)

[Anonymous No.]

Scrub question,

When setting up the DOJG anki, do I get both recognition and cloze cards? I only ever seem to get these types of cards.

[Anonymous No.]

How are you supposed to learn to read names?
They always use obscure readings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144873
It might be hilarious, to always be called with the wrong name because someone misread your kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144836

All three alphabets are there if that's what you mean

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144836
You're right I don't

\(^_^)/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144953
That's what I mean. Right now I'm being subjected to hiragana alone as building blocks, which makes sense, but there's no real indication of things to come. This is a placement quiz if you want to skip ahead.

So, basically, yeah, I suppose what I meant to ask is if all three alphabets are in use or if it's just hiragana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144960
If you can't even tell the difference between the three writing systems, I thinks that's strong evidence that duolingo is a load of crap that's just gonna fuck you over. Quit being lazy and just read a textbook like genki. You'll thank yourself later.

[Anonymous No.]

>Couldn't recognize 鍋 instantly in the wild
I want to kill myself.

[Anonymous No.]

I had my Anki import set up to include example sentences when using the real time import. It's not in the guide so can anyone explain how it's done?

[Anonymous No.]

Just bought 3 books from ebookjapan thinking they would be, you know, an actual ebook format. Turns out they are scans, fuck me. Waste of 1700 yen, fuck DRM.

I'd like to at least share the scans with DJT. Does anyone know how to rip the image files from ebookjapan's online reader? I found this thread ( http://www.jcafe24.net/index.php?topic=23795.0 ) but am not really sure how to use it.

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw NewsWeb Easy articles are getting easier to read every day

I AM GOING TO MAKE IT

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144984
thats ok you get 3 fails before a japanman appears to hit you with one
its apart of their constitution

[Anonymous No.]

I don't actually know what duolingo is, but seeing it shilled all over the place today has made me really not want to go anywhere near it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144994
下学上達

[Anonymous No.]

This is the が particle as I understand it courtesy of Tae Kim, and how it's going down in my notes. I find his explanation incredibly confusing to be honest, so please correct any misunderstandings I have.

が - "identifier" particle

Identifies something out of many possibilities as being the recipient of an action or a state of being. Often used when asking or answering questions. Used in situations where an intended subject is ambiguous or hard/impossible to specify.

誰が学生？
Who (among many choices) is the student?
ジムが学生。
(Out of all the people in the world who could possibly satisfy the conditions set by your question,) Jim is the student.
ジムは学生。
(With no special relation to the question you just asked,) Jim is a student.

学生は誰？
The student (I already see or otherwise know about) is who?
誰は学生？
"Who" is a/the student? (incorrect)

が can be thought of as identifying a specific property of something.

私は学生。
This sentence is about me. I am a student.
私が学生。
This sentence is about the student. Here's something about the student: I am he.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145032
the rabbit hole of が and は goes deeper than you know, child
は は は は

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145032
がくせいには「は」も「が」もつかないよ

>Are you student?
>学生？

>I am a student.
>私、学生です。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145032
DOJG covers the particle pretty thoroughly, don't understand the need to post this honestly. https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#%E3%8A%A6%E3%81%8C(1)
If you want further material, this covers は in a pretty intuitive way https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/1096/what-is-the-difference-between-%E3%81%AB-and-%E3%81%AB%E3%81%AF

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145032
が generally doesn't identify the recipient of an action, it identifies the actor. Probably the word "subject" is confusing you; in a subject-object relationship the subject does the verb, and the object is the thing it's done to.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to add audio with Epwing2anki?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145085
「は」がつくとぎゃくのいみになることがあるんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

>you aren't a student.
>私は学生です。

[Anonymous No.]

To the DJT library guy. Is there any way to download all the ebook files (azw3, etc.) in one go? I have the html archive downloaded already, which is fantastic, by the way, but I want to have the ebook files for my kindle. And we all know filesharing websites don't last forever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145167
Thank you for your input. Consider the very basic sentence 私が学生。

I deconstructed this sentence in my head as 私 receiving the state of being a student, as the unspoken state-of-being verb is built into 学生。You're saying that 私 performs the state-of-being verb and 学生 receives it, even though the verb lives inside of 学生 and its possible conjugations are tied to 学生。（私が学生じゃない etc)

[Anonymous No.]

Where can I get an Epwing dictionary for Epwing2anki that isn't the sucky default one that doesn't even recognise んだろ、 持て and 絡まって as I cannot be arsed converting each word I mine into dictionary form.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145247
I'll post an archive later today (probably).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145329

Awesome, thanks. No rush.

[Anonymous No.]

>「僕がコンビニの店長で、直が万引きした女性客」
>「警察に知らされたくなければ……キミ、わかるよね？」
The passive here is confusing the hell out of me, I'm interpreting it as "If you don't want me to report the police...", but it's hard making sense of it with -たい.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145264
私が学生 may look simple, but it's actually a weird sentence which doesn't make much sense on it's own. You should definitely look more at the dojg examples, they make a much clearer picture of how が is used. It's impossible to apply a single rule to every usage of the subject marker が

[Anonymous No.]

Why does 寂しい sometimes get translated as "sad"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145342
"If you don't want to be reported to the police..."
I can already imagine the context.

[Anonymous No.]

Ugh. I can correctly identify 1st and 2nd grade kanji as well as most 3rd grade kanji, but I fucking suck at Jukugo as well as identifying words made entirely out of hiragana.

How do I rectify this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145368
You've probably only been studying for like a month. This isn't really something you rectify, you just keep going and it'll come naturally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145368
Read more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145363
The next line anyways, so yeah.
>「ひいーっ！　愛のない設定じゃないですかーっ！　やだ――っ！」
I mean, I think my interpretation is correct. I'm assuming when you conjugate the passive verb to tai form it's no longer the agent's action but simply the subject's desire, 愛されたい (by someone). Maybe I'm wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145374

At least I know I'm not studying wrong. I was reading some suff above about how I shouldn't study isolated Kanji because how am I supposed to know that (To Know)(Fit) means "Acquaintance". The word is " Shiriai"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145389
to be loved > to want to be loved
what's hard about that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145389
>I'm assuming when you conjugate the passive verb to tai form it's no longer the agent's action but simply the subject's desire, 愛されたい (by someone)
That's right.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any way of putting the entirety of the Fureraba script into epwing2anki? Or do I have to enter each word manually on a separate line?

[Anonymous No.]

You will have to do anki reviews for the rest of your life. Let that sink in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145396
You can't really "study wrong". Suppose you spend your first 6 months doing nothing but RTK, and then you try to read something and realize you can't read at all and regret your decision. What are you going to do? Give up on Japanese forever because you've been studying inefficiently? Of course not. You're going to get to all the shit you've been putting off, and even if maybe you would've progressed further if you went with the vocabulary approach, knowing a general meaning for over 2000 kanji is going to come in handy when learning words, which means that yeah, perhaps you didn't make optimal use of those 6 months, but they weren't completely wasted either. Just don't give up and study every day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145432
it's a nice way to pass time knowing you are at least being somewhat productive

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145438
Well that's good to know since I'm still a beginner.

How do I know what pronoun to use? Am I to old for boku at 24? Ore? Watashi? Ware?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145478
あたし is best.

あたしかわいいでしょ？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145509
>あたしかわいいでしょ？
Just so that you know, I'm imagining you as a fat neckbeard in my head.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145509
I'm not a girl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145514
Except that I'm neither fat nor a neckbeard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145530
Only because you can't grow a beard, it appears.

[Anonymous No.]

This isn't /soc/, fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

ユリビジュアルノベルは好きなの？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145620
そうなの

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145432
I quit anki within the first year, so nope

[Anonymous No.]

Am i supposed to remember both kanji and hiragana. For example friday in kanji 金曜日 and in hiragana きんようび. I assume i have to remember both right? Is that even possible?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145751
Of course. Hiragana is just pronunciation, so you need to remember that if you want to speak or listen Japanese. On the other hand, kanji is how the word is normally spelled, so if you don't know that you can't read or write.

[Anonymous No.]

こサ

Why does this say こい when you hover over it in rikai? That's clearly a さ at the end...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145785
Noun form of an adjective.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145759
So i have to remember what the word means in english (not native speaker), then i have to remember the correct kanji to match that, and associate that kanji to a bunch of hiragana?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145792
>So i have to remember what the word means in english
Not required, it just needs to click in your head.
>then i have to remember the correct kanji to match that
You need to at least be able to recognise it
>and associate that kanji to a bunch of hiragana?
Hiragana generally matches the pronunciation really well, so there's nothing to really remember there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145405
You can do it but it's not a good idea. Text analysis tools are good at statistics but haven't quite crossed over the line into being good for making vocab decks yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145478
If Steve Kauffman can use boku, so can you

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145874
あいつはネカマ、きっと

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145874
I thought Steve used わたくし.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145890
He's more of a わし guy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145247
Here are all of the unique (non-converted) ebook files in the library:

https://drive.google.com/uc?id=0B97JLrooayYXUHk2a0dCSFZ2UXM&export=download

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145519
you don't have to be, anon-chan シ

[Anonymous No.]

what does 言わんとわかる mean

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146018
あなたの言わんとすることがわかる

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146022
thanks dess

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145432
Dropped anki a year ago lad

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145432
no bitch, I'm gonna go to school in Japan. That along with continuing to consume Japanese media will make that not true.

[Anonymous No.]

What kind of experiences you guys have had with anki? Have you learned a lot and how long did it take to notice significant improvement? How long on average are your daily studies? Do you use the again button all the time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146177
I breeze through it like it's nothing but that's only because I've taken Japanese classes. I'm sure it will get harder.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146193
why not delete cards you already know? you're just wasting time

[Anonymous No.]

So I was lurking on the JLPT site and downloaded the example tests for N3-5 to get an idea what my current level is.
While taking the N5 test I noticed that the audio file is missing some of the questions, what the fuck is that shit?

I've answered it with the written script but that obviously makes it way too easy and I probably would've had more trouble with the audio only.

Is there a better alternative in the cor?

[Anonymous No.]

"カッコつけすぎだぜ"
Rikaichan points this out as "sugiru' tense. What the fuck is sugiru ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146288
「すぎる」 is a regular ru-verb written 「過ぎる」 meaning, "to exceed". When 「すぎる」 is attached to the end of other verbs and adjectives, it means that it is too much or that it has exceeded the normal levels. For verbs, you must directly attach 「すぎる」 to the stem of the verb. For example, 「食べすぎる」 means "to eat too much" and 「飲みすぎる」 means "to drink too much". For adjectives, you just attach it to the end after you remove the last 「い」 from the i-adjectives (as usual). One more rule is that for both negative verbs and adjectives, one must remove the 「い」 from 「ない」 and replace with 「さ」 before attaching 「すぎる」. There is no tense (past or non-past) associated with this grammar. Since 「すぎる」 is a regular ru-verb, this grammar always results in a regular ru-verb.
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/amount

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146202
paranoid about forgetting them and eventually I'll only see them like once every 6th months so it's not a big deal

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146012
Non-converted as in not in azw3 or epub format?

[Anonymous No.]

Can I just do an hour of anki everyday or do I do the full 3 or so hours everyday?
Cause if it's 3 hours a day I'll probably be forced to give up at some point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146568
if you do anki for longer than 30 minutes a day you can't learn japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146571
o-oh

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146568
How many cards are you doing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146586
200-300

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146537
The original format, whether that's azw3, epub, or mobi. It includes all of the azw3 files because none of them were converted. It doesn't include the epub/mobi/html files that were converted from azw3. If you want those converted files they can be downloaded as one zip from the CoR collection links.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146591
With these many cards, are you using core 6/10k deck, or your own (mining deck)?

I'm about to start doing anki, and not sure which one to start with. IIRC, the consensus here is to mine your own, or at least do only core 2k - but since I haven't started reading anything yet, there's really nothing to mine. Any thought on this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146633
The question is why you haven't started reading yet. Do that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146633
I was doing core 2k

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146634
了解です！

[Anonymous No.]

Remember to pay for your learning materials (porn games) or you'll end up making your mom cry, like Sakamoto-kun did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb6WefL1P9g

[Anonymous No.]

So, is duolingo a decent enough way of force remembering vocab and ideograms for start? Making it into a game sounds like a good way of keeping interest during the initial learning slog. I find it easier to remember vocab in mass and then using an actual grammar guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145432
>You will have to
You can't tell me what to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146684
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146684
Mainly as a starter, the initial stage is always the hardest part of learning a language for me, would
Duolingo for kata/-> anki + tae kim be a good system?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146684
Duolango is a pretty good learning resource for beginners. It might even be the best one available right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146757
Can you expand a bit on why? I don't care about the shitposting drama, until what point is it decent enough? The sylabic alphabets and a few kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146760
I've heard people say it's really good. Haven't tried it myself yet though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146760
It's never good for anyone. Their marketing spams here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146760
What do you mean with "until what point"? The whole point of Duolingo is doing it everyday, bit by bit. That way, you can use your brain energy more effectively and decide how many minutes per day you want to learn japanese, all without having to spend hours and hours learning things that, with Duolingo, you could be learning in seconds. If you're not here to take Duolingo seriously, I'd advice you to fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146771
I don't care about that, i just care if its good enough to kickstart learning moon, have you tried it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146781
No. But I hear it's really fucking good. Try it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146779
Shitpost central is that way
>>>/v/
I don't give a fuck about shilling drama, i just want honest impressions as a kickstarting tool, of course i'm grabbing an actual book once i get enough knowledge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146788
I think he's being serious. It's a pretty good tool. I wouldn't call it "the best", but it's certainly up there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146781
Yes it fucking changed my life. I honestly would have died without D*o****o. If I was confronted with the decision of killing my first born child or abandoning it, I would always take the former. Please buy it. Please. Please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146797
>Please buy it
The best part about Duolingo is that, while also being an extremely efficient tool, it is completely free. Anki? Get on with the times, gramps. It's Duolingo generation now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146792
I doubt it.
In what way? I used it lightly for learning italian, but i añready speak a romance language as a mother tongue so i don't think that counts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146808
It counts though. Duolingo is just a new way of looking at things. Anki is based on outdated research.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146767
That checks out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146808
>so i don't think that counts
You're going that far in order to deny the greatness of Duolingo? Come on, dude. Just accept it, no language learning app will ever surpass Duolingo. It has come, and it's here to stay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17137747

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146821
What the fuck is that shit? Google Chrome without 4chan X? Kill yourself, maggot.

[Anonymous No.]

あたしを。。。ニンシン、させて。
That is the most wonderful phrase I've learned today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146825
>4chan X
Spyware.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146834
Doesn't matter when you're already using the mega jew botnet called Google.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146825
write that in your best japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146838
Doesn't seem like he's using it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146840
Not a translation thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146849
more like not a japanese thread

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know what's worse the larping faggots at /int/ or the literal autists here at /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146866
The ones who visit both threads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146866
Int? Haven't heard of it. Is that a Japanese learning thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146866
I think it's the retarded newfags who don't read the guide and shit up the thread everyday.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146876
they arent new anymore you should just call them suck fags or something and the list of them starts at the op and ends at this post or any following post

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146897
Anyone that hasn't been posting regularly in DJT for at least 6 months is a newfag. That includes: you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146904
you suck ass get outta here

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145828

My problem with it was that epwing2anki won't add 持て to the deck because it doesn't recognise it...so I don't really know if it is actually possible to add the script to epwing2anki

[Anonymous No.]

Anybody have any screen shots of text hookers with VNs, I'm trying to get into that and pick the best one, much appreciated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146927
ITHVNR+rikaisama firefox is the best.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146904
I've been here for two years and I haven't learned jack shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146949
That makes you a massively lazy faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144557
Different anon here
Following your template, is it possible to have the first image on google images to pop up instead of just a hyperlink like I have here?

[Anonymous No.]

I just started creating a personal tool for looking up kanji mnemonics based on KKLC entries (I finished this book and never used RTK). It's inspired by: https://hochanh.github.io/rtk/rtk1-v6/index.html

The idea is to use this side-by-side with tools like rikai when reading something on the (mobile) web. For now it's a web app, but porting it to a browser plugin shouldn't be too hard. I would like to enhance this with the ability to store my own mnemonics since personal story tend to stick more. For some anons, using mnemonics might be silly, but for me, it really helps as a cue to recall the not-so-familiar-kanji.

What kind of features do anons think might be useful to add? I'm thinking to add grapheme/radical component since I tend to forget the components that compose the kanji (one of the reason I like to use KKLC is because the grapheme is quite consistent, and indexed on the back of the book).

If this is useless, please ignore me (´；д；`)

[Anonymous No.]

Here goes a trick question.
Should AA (as in AA battery or Anti Air) be spelled as エイエイ or アア?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147010
エイエイ because nips love sucking that american dick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147010
ダブルエイ

Why is it ダブル and not ドブル though? The latter sounds more appropriate. Who the hell even picks how loanwords should be spelled?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147044
This. I think the worst part is double vowels. Why write ニュヨーク, just make it ニュヨク it's less confusing damn it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147044
Why hello N5 kun.

[Anonymous No.]

How many posters of these threads actually live in Japan?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146957
demo nee nihongo wa chotto muzukashii desu kedo

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147122
What do you mean with "actually"? Do you think the uses of a language are limited to its respective country?

[Anonymous No.]

Can anyone with a working Anki Real-time Import set up to include example sentences talk me through how to do it?
I can get a card to import audio and include a hyperlink to an image, but not an example. I kind of want to set it up to look like my old EPWING2ANKI imports.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147010
learn more, A is not "ah" aka ア

>>17147044
again learn more, when you learn to pronounce kana better ダブル sounds a lot closer, I've been living in japan for a good while trust me, ドブル is dohbule, no one says a homer simpson doh in that word but that is how it sounds with "ド"

>>17147055
yet again learn more, its not new yok, its new York, you need the draw out sound, indicated by the "ー"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147154
>its not new yok, its new York
wow huge difference in pronunciation there
sorry for not noticing it
specially considering there is no thing such as capital letters in japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147157
consider learning english

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147158
Bruh I have a CPE, most native speakers can barely get a CAE. How retarded do you have to be to believe there's a difference between New York and New york in terms of pronunciation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147166
he didn't write new york and new york though he wrote new yok and new york

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147170
Oh.
You know, I've always had a paranoia of one day becoming both blind and deaf, since I was a child.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147122
I mean this is my second night here in a long time but ill give you proof if you need it, 今大阪府に住んでいます。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147136
I don't mean there's no use in Japanese if you don't live in Japan. It just comes off as unsettling that most if not all of you don't live in Japan. If you have a degree in something useful like CS or Mech Engineering and if you have at least N3 certificate it's very easy to get a 50k+ job in Jappan.

[Anonymous No.]

>キッチン
Fucking nips

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147215
More like fucking kill yourself you retarded N6 mouthbreather

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147166
>>17147176
yeah caps be damned, that was auto, I'm not used to even using spaces nowadays, yok vs. York(auto again), vs. ヨク vs. ヨーク, big difference, to the locals, and anyone with enough listening experience

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147010
Just AA would be fine I should think. Acronyms don't need katakana, japs are familiar enough with the roman alphabet to read the letters as they are. If anything katakana would just make it more confusing

[Anonymous No.]

Haven't done Anki yesterday and now I'm even less motivated to do it because 550 reviews. Just end my miserable existence, senpai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147317
Good post.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147345
中二病ですね

[Anonymous No.]

>あの人は……完璧に近いものではありますけど……まとまっただけの人間そのものじゃないですか
What meaning has the だけ here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147460
That you're a fag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143962
Added, thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

What honorific should be used for dead people?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147511
野郎

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147522
I agree with this

[Anonymous No.]

I am seeing sources for studying radicals in the guide, but was wondering from someone who has actually done it what their perfered method is?

I have a hard time with vocab when it isn't on the anki program, and think those radicals will help me recall them when actually reading.

[Anonymous No.]

I know it's little soon for me to be worrying about pitch accent, but this kinda interests me. My native language has remnants of pitch accent which it once had, will this help me hear and replicate Japanese pitch accent better?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147587
I actually made the "kangxi radicals 2017" deck, so I want to say not to get your hopes up if you do radicals. The main reason they're recommended is because they're so easy, they're a good foot in the door for memorization, and they make your brain take it easier with kanji.

It's a way to make your brain stop seeing kanji as a bunch of squiggles. They don't really help you recognize things unless your brain doesn't know how to deal with kanji like that.

If you can recognize vocab inside anki already, radicals probably won't do any magic for you. Most likely your brain just isn't used to the act of reading yet. Take some manga with furigana like Hayate no Gotoku or Yotsuba. The furigana are good training wheels to let you get used to reading without letting kanji vocabulary be such a mental obstacle.

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

あったかいコーヒーぎゅうにゅうのみたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146012

Thanks a bunch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147606
My problem is two fold, like I am having problems reading kanji with one radical difference. It is helping me memorize the kanji as well.

The other problem is my fucking eyes are going fast. Reading tiny kanji on mobage is getting difficult unfortunately. I find myself searching out the radicals to reconfirm what I am seeing.

You are right it probably just needs to come more with practice. I am reading and getting pretty comfortable with this though. I just need to finish Tae Kim and start Yotsuba.

[Anonymous No.]

Same idiot from before. Still can't seem to get the examples sentences add-on to work. Any help from computer literates would be greatly appreciated. This is the only thing stopping me from studying my mined vocabulary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147771
I'm in the exact same boat.
Trying to follow this guys https://steviepoppe.net/blog/2016/09/a-quick-guide-on-using-anki-3-contextualize-your-vocab-cards-with-example-sentences/ guide but it ain't producing results. I just can't seem to get "Add bulk examples" to work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146285
I'm that anon, I did N4-5 and passed easily.
How big is the jump from N4 to N3 and N3 to N2?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147837
Thanks for this link. A lot easier to follow than the other instructions.

[Anonymous No.]

Which is better: RTK in my first language or KKLC in English, which is a foreign language for me. I'm on B1 level in English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147865
Neither, make a vocab deck in your native language by mining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147860

Let me know if it works for you Anon, I've been sat here for hours trying to get the "Load Bulk Examples" to work. The example field on all my cards and the new ones I import just remains blank.

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder how long we will have to deal with people asking about Duolingo all the time. Hopefully it won't be as bad as the Wanikani shilling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147872
No luck here either. Who needs context anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

Any advice for someone that already started learning Japanese with Anki two times and stopped both times because I had to invest too much time every day it was draining my energy for other important stuff (the farthest I got was body parts if I remember correctly)?

Did a fresh install with the updated(?) core deck and I'm determined to make it this time, but so was I the past two times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148038

Wish someone with it working could just send a few screenshots. But eh, guess I'll have to make do without context for a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148052
Do a mining deck, do less new cards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148057
What's a mining deck?

[Anonymous No.]

Is he right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148057
>>17148059
Never mind me, I overlooked the link in the OP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148063
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147771
Your expression field is empty. Your vocab is supposed to be in the expression field.

Also keep in mind that not every word will have examples. I thought mine was broken when I first set it up, but the word I was using to test didn't have any examples.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148063
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147345
edgy

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148063
Maybe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148073
Thank you this worked! No where did it say to do this on the download page.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know of a reason why rikaisama might not work at all for me? I already checked the rikaisama option in the context menu, but when I hover over a word nothing happens. I have S3.google.translator and a bunch of privacy addons, could that be somehow related?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146987
maybe, possibly
I don't use the link very often and when I do I like the full page results
expanding on it is up to you

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148149
Alright, it seems like the reason that it's not working is that I'm using Nightly. Any way to fix this or will I have to go back to regular firefox?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148136
Screenshot pls? I'm still stuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148188
disable multiprocess

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147867
I learned the kana with Remembering the Kana in German. Before I had tried rote learning which didn't work. Also spaced repetition hurts me, so I never do this painful thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148222
It is as the other anon said. Make sure you have the vocabulary word in the front and Expression fields. Many of the cards in my deck have no sentences though. I also didn't bother with images or furigana because I don't really need them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148247
But my vocab is in the expression field....

Is there any way of you like, exporting your deck and uploading it somewhere so I can just steal the note types/fields etc and see if that works?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148226
Thanks, that worked.
Time to get learning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148268
How would I go about doing that? Also, browsing through my deck I see that only one card has sentences on it for some reason. Maybe that's just because of the database.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148308

Open Anki, File > Export, then select the deck that the real time import example sentences are working for. Should create a .apkg file which you can then upload.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148308

Would you also be able to screenshot your Rikaisama add-on "Anki" tab so I can see if you've done anything different to me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148332
I don't have Rikaisama because I use botnet. I just paste all my vocab manually Sorry I'm not much help.

>>17148325
Where should I upload it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148345
So are you not using Realtime import at all?

Wherever you can. Could just upload it to megaupload or something.
Thank you for this tho Anon, I've been trying to fix it for a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148345

Also, which Anki add-on did you install and how did you do it? Just trying to recreate how you installed everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148345
Use yomichan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148361
Nope, but it's not that hard to just copy/paste everything.
Here's the link. I hope I did everything correctly: https://mega.nz/#!xCpVjboY!on1PPGBwv1epthIsWKwmKhf4qqvacEEZhkQ67RN2Txc

>>17148375
Used this one https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2413435972

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148268
Do you have "example_sentences" in your card type?

Do you have {{Examples}} in your card template?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148421
Idk why it only has like 1 example sentence...and like 90% of the cards don't even have an example sentence...what use is this add-on....

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148502
I think one example sentence is fine. That's how it is in Core after all. As for why most of the words aren't supported I have no idea. I tried updating the database but the file isn't in utf. Definitely wasn't worth the effort but I'm glad I got it to "work".

[Anonymous No.]

I got Rikaisama too work now, but the one thing that doesn't work is the real time import.
I have the addon installed and a deck opened, but nothing happens when I press R or T. The log just says "Main: START". Does anyone know what might be causing this? Tried it in normal firefox and nightly for the same result on both.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148476
I could kiss you.

[Anonymous No.]

What's with this random $ sign in my Anki cards? I use real-time import so idk where it's coming from or what it means

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148598
If you are >>17148268, you probably have an extra $ in your Rikaisama import settings because it is putting it at the beginning of your audio field.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148644

Yeah, I just figured that. I can't seem to get my audio to play I just get this $ sign.

Do I just need to put {{Audio}} on the back of my card to play the audio or?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148247
Why would you make a card for 戦闘機? Do you not have a card for 戦闘 and countless cards for ＊機?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148649
Did you try deleting the $ from the field?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148656

For some reason whenever I use realtime import it also imports the $ sign. I'll try and delete it and see if it plays audio.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148660
You probably have an extra $ in the red box.

Also, make sure you have the audio files getting saved to the right folder, in the orange box.

[Anonymous No.]

What am I doing wrong here? This is all just plain text, no link to the audio file.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148680
In your card template, change
{{Audio}}
to
[sound:{{Audio}}]

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148692
It changed nothing, just added the extra [ up top.
Still won't play.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148701
Screenshot your template.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148706
Ty for this Anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148652
>Do you not have a card for 戦闘 and countless cards for ＊機

I do not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148692
Original anon you were talking to here, that worked, thank you very much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148710
Your first screenshot has an extra ], but your template doesn't.

Show me what is in the audio field of your card.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148528
Seems like it had to do with my VPN. Does anyone know how to run this while going through a VPN? I'm using Mullvad, but if anyone knows anything I'd appreciate that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145342
"If you don't want it to be reported to the police"

[Anonymous No.]

How do you go about counters? These little shits are literally hell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148784

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148745
This what you're after?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148802
The other guy didn't have [sound:x] in his audio field, so he had to have it in his template. You should only need {{Audio}} in the template for it to play.

Make sure you are saving your audio to the right folder. Check the orange box in >>17148676 Go to the folder and make sure the file you are trying to play is there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148784
If it's any comfort I don't think most counters actually get used, at least in what I've read. The changes in pronunciation are fairly regular though, once you get used to them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148819

Think I've figured it out...can't find my Anki folder in "My documents" since I updated about an hour ago. Did they change the directory for it or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148907
Not that I know of.

Go to Tools, Preferences, then on the Backup tab hit "Open backup folder"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148912
Found the directory thanks to you... you da man.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone good with Python and want to help with something Anki related?

[Anonymous No.]

So, I've been fiddling with my anki and tweaking the coding a little bit and have managed to make my Real-time Anki plugin import both example sentences and audio, but is there a way to get furigana on the example sentences?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17149136
Furigana are only reliable if they are entered manually. Even if there was a way to automate it, it would have too many errors to be worth it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17149169
Would it be? Considering it's grabbing the furigana from the example sentence FOR the example sentence I would imagine it'd work fine?

I think this guy is onto something but I can't figure out how to implement his code coz' I'm technologically illiterate. http://disq.us/p/1f1c7gs

[Anonymous No.]

>>17149183
I didn't know the example sentences had furigana available. If it is then that would be fine.

I help with Anki stuff all the time, but that is beyond me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17149218

I'm fairly certain they do- but maybe someone else will enlighten me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17149136
I should really format mine, did you use the example_sentences plugin for that?

[Anonymous No.]

what's the point of putting several example sentences on your cards? I thought cards are for reviewing, not information dumps

[Anonymous No.]

>>17149487
You don't have to read them every single time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17149487
the more you understand the word and how its used, the easily it is to retain

[Anonymous No.]

>>17149489
you have a point. guess it's just down to preference

[Anonymous No.]

>>17149463
そのかんじネイティブでも

かいたことないよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17149507
Not really a preference, if you're going to use EDICT translations (default for Rikaisama), you should really use example sentences. It's hard to understand the meaning of a lot words without proper context. Just memorizing English words that (kind of) represent what's being said can often make you confused when you actually see them in readings.

[Anonymous No.]

How do you read something like "○月×日" as in what do you call the circle and x? まるげつ？にち ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17149615
まるがつばつにち

だよ。あたしのちほーではね

[Anonymous No.]

日本語させ子に成りたい

[Anonymous No.]

do those different transcriptions actually correspond to different pronunciations? is it normal to transcribe くう and とう differently depending on whether it's a noun or a verb? (I'm guessing they are verbs which end in う, but I haven't actually studied any grammar yet, I've just been learning hiragana)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17149747
Just ignore the English shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17149774
I'm just asking because I can imagine とう being pronounced to+u (instead of long o) if it's made up of to + u, but I don't know whether that exists or not

[Anonymous No.]

>>17149747
ああ、

ああ。

ああ。。

ああ？！

ああ？

ああ？？

ああ！！

ああ！

ああ！！！

ぜんいみがちがうのでがんばってあんきしてね

[Anonymous No.]

>>17149793
this really makes my head spin

[Anonymous No.]

>>17149793
ああ
ああ
ああ
ああ
ああ
ああ

[Anonymous No.]

ああ！
ああ！！
ああ！！！
ああ！！！！
ああ！！！！！
ああ！！！！！！
ああ！！！！！！！
ああ！！！！！！！！
ああ！！！！！！！！！

全部違うので自殺してください

[Anonymous No.]

>>17149793
そうとも！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17149787
I can't think of a situation where that would be the case. Pitch accent is a thing, but that's inconsistent too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17149813
そう？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17149917
なんとかね

[Anonymous No.]

>>17149793
>ああ、
間違い指してる人
>ああ。
そうか
>ああ。。
マジかよ
>ああ？！
驚いた人
>ああ？
なにそれ
>ああ？？
気持ちいいけどちょっと変
>ああ！！
殺されてる人
>ああ！
大発見
>ああ！！！
レイプ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17149925
考え過ぎ

本当は日本語の初心者って証拠だね

[Anonymous No.]

>>17149925
笑

[Anonymous No.]

>>17149925
最後で落とすのが得意なフレンズなんだね

[Anonymous No.]

>>17149925
なるほど

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIiGyn_HfcI

[Anonymous No.]

>>17149956
Where can I get a magical dildo like that?

[Anonymous No.]

３ヶ月間で漢字が７００個以上分かってきたことに気づいたばかりだ
すごいなぁ

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>>17150063
>分かってきたことに気づいたばかりだ

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>>17150073
漢字しか分かってないことも気づいた　(´・ω・`)

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>>17149956

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>>17150063
漢字を700個も覚えたのか
頭が良いな

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N6-kun here, just tried duolingo, apparently it teach you that "bye" is さようなら. 11/10 would unlearn Japanese again.

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>>17150429
isn't that correct though? I'm not that far into learning japanese ( i dont use duolingo ) but what's wrong with that?

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>>17150253
たのしければそれはつよいくつうをともなわない

またつよいくつうをともなうこういを

わたしたちのちせいはせっきょくてきにわすれようとする

あたまのよさとはべつかもしれない

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>>17150459
Not him, but I think it's more among the lines of Farewell (as in not seeing people for a long time).

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>>17150459
to a Japanese it sounds like "Hasta la vista, baby".
(farewell)

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>>17150459
Basically this. >>17150459 >>17150505
https://youtu.be/emA3IDY-csY?t=6m5s

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if I got 93/100 (on DJT Kana) with every hiragana enabled, can I move on?

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>>17150532
>>17150519
>>17150505
ah, thank you guys

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>>17150535
Are you able to write them by hand

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>>17150542
yes, I've practiced with that book from the CoC

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>>17150535
You've already wasted your time enough. Go read a grammar guide.

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Guys where do I download untranslated VNs. I checked all the sites on the wiki but none of them haveはなひら

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>>17150604
rutracker
nyaa.si

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>tell myself this is the day i'll study japanese for good
>turn on the computer
>tell myself I'll just check on da threads
>take a quick look at the clock
>it's already been 2 hours since i've been brownsing 4chan
How do I stop this from happening?
I'm quoting myself.

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>>17150645
Just like learn japanese.

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>>17150645
Here's your mandatory "you can't learn japanese" response.

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>>17150645
Never look at 4chan before you study Japanese.
It's the first thing I do in the morning, even before I brush my teeth, and it's been working well for two weeks now.

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>>17150645
Just make this the only thread you ever visit. It's slow enough by itself that you'll at least be able to get something done. Ghettoising yourself to a tiny area of 4chan is surprisingly easy

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>>17150645
>>tell myself I'll just check on da threads
>>take a quick look at the clock
>>it's already been 2 hours since i've been brownsing 4chan
>How do I stop this from happening?

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>>17150604
>はなひらっ
Please, don't do that to yourself
Study a bit more and go straight to Flyable Heart. Don't waste your time on that insufferable moe diabetes piece of shit.

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>>17150645
Unplug the router or something. That way you'll have to perform an action before you can be a lazy fuck, which could be enough of a barrier to not slack off.

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Studying japanese is an art. If you take no pleasure in studying it, that means you're not prepared for it yet. In fact, you should actually be glad you have the privilege to be allowed to learn it in the first place.

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>>17150690
Fuck your privilege. I take what I want. I'm going to do it, even if I'm not supposed to, even if it's impossible.

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>>17150690
Nobody cares nerd.

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>>17150683
Flyable Heart is at least 10x as long. I think Hanahira is good because it can be finished much quicker than anything else. And all the lines are voiced, so you never have to wonder which reading you should be using for new words.

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>>17150569
ok, I'm off to learn katakana :)

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>>17150724
If you can bear that shitty story, I guess you're right

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>>17150614
All Hanahira torrents on those sites are dead

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>>17150858
Wrong.

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how long will core2k take doing only 10 words a day?

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>>17150926
200 days : )

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>>17150934
)))

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>>17150690
I take pleasure in nothing but eating, masturbating, and music. I am a simpleton. The fact that I must force myself to learn anything is actually an excellent reason to to it. It builds character and keeps the brain active if I'm memorizing stuff every day.

Also studying Japanese is not an art. An art is defined as an activity that is carried out to create what is beautiful. You can't just call things beautiful and then call it art; that demeans the definition of art. Japanese is a language that evolved over thousands of years and serves a practical purpose, and there is nothing inherently beautiful about it. Now maybe calligraphy is beautiful, maybe Japanese-language media (literature, movies, etc.) is beautiful, but a language is a tool and nothing more. Authors are renowned for the ways they bend and manipulate this tool to create beautiful writing. Calling a language beautiful is like calling noise beautiful. Noise is not beautiful unless it's music (or perhaps it can be spontaneously beautiful in some exceptional cases, like language, but it's not most of the time).

TLDR stop being a cunt, learning's not supposed to be fun, it's not supposed to be anything

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>>17151007
>reddit spacing

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>>17151007
>An art is defined as an activity that is carried out to create what is beautiful.
I disagree.

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>>17151014
EKSDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE REALLY GOT ME THERE

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>>17151014
Who are you quoting?

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>>17151007
Holy shit you're a fucking idiot anon-kun

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Sakubi - Yesterday's Grammar Guide copy editing done.txt

0.2 MB

https://a.safe.moe/RnsCQ.txt

Unless I forgot to cover some piece of basic grammar, this should be the last overhaul. It's at a point where people can reasonably use it.

I'm going to look for english grammar mistakes and typos and make an HTML version.

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>>17151028
I actually expected you to not reply, guess you're just that austistic.

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>>17151036
I'll do anything for an extra couple (You)s

>>17151026
No but really, I know there are a lot of people who agree with you, and I see where you're coming from. When you go to the dictionary, the first definition is mine, but there are a usually a lot more definitions that expand "art" to be more like your definition.

I just think that's wrong though because art needs to mean something. Words must have meaning. When we see professionals studying hard or working hard, it is tempting to call them artists just because they do amazing things that we may find beautiful, but if their efforts aren't directed towards beauty, then I don't think we should call their work "art" for the sake of preserving the meaning of the word "art." Scientists, engineers, and even politicians create beautiful things much of the time, but they aren't artists.

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>>17151055
Pieces of art need to mean something.

The word art doesn't.

Words are used, not defined. Get the fuck out of your chair and go talk to someone you don't know. In real life. Face to face.

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>>17151014
That post looks perfectly normal to me. What makes it Reddit spacing?

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>>17151059
It's true that words are used and that languages are born from use and "mis"use of words, but we need to seek balance. Some grammatical rules are obviously useless (like the subjunctive tense in English or something) and they go away naturally, just like many words. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't have any rules at all though. If anything is art, then why can't anything be a toothbrush? If I take some headphones off my desk, and scrub my teeth with them, who's to say it's not a toothbrush? Great, now cellphones, shoes, guitars, and textbooks are all toothbrushes.

Subjectivity is healthy in moderation. Art is a word and it means something. (Of course there's nothing wrong with colloquial use like calling someone an artist in an exclamatory manner as a compliment or something.)

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>>17151087
You're an artist of autism.

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>only raws available are on shitty capped download speed
>take hours to download a single file
>fails just when it's about to finish

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>>17151087
This is not subjective. This is objective. Words mean what they're used for. Uses are not subjective. Subjective things are things that only have meaning when given a subject, not things whose meaning is determined by people. Language is an objective thing that's real, and that goes along with how people use its word. If anything, prescribing definitions like you're doing right now is what's subjective, because there's nothing at all that elevates prescriptive conceptions above what people objectively use the words for. Language is not definable, and what one person thinks something means does not determine how other people will validly use it. There's no reason to think that one person's subjective interpretation, the one that only holds meaning to them, is worth anything more than another person's objective interpretation, the meaning they give it when they say it. There's no entitential language with objective rules and concepts that lords over those who speak it. There are only personal languages, with the language entity being the common system among these personal languages. This language entity is what you mean when you say "standard English" or "standard Japanese", but there's no reason for a language entity to be considered objective, because it only has meaning when you give it its subject (the collection of people and communications that define its entitience). Rather, it's the personal languages themselves that are objective. They are the only thing you can describe with any certainty.

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There is no point in learning anything because we all die one day. There is nothing but darkness and suffering in life. Learning Japanese is just another way to help yourself forget of the pathetic sad and evil nature of reality and your life. We are born in this world to suffer and then we die. Learning Japanese, not learning Japanese. What difference does it make.

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>>17151102
How's middleschool?

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Translate these choices, weebs.

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>>17151107
>the pleasure of being cummed inside
>the pleasure of being cummed inside
>the pleasure of being cummed inside
>the pleasure of being cummed inside
>the pleasure of being cummed inside
>the pleasure of bei（ｒｙ

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>>17151106
He's starting next fall

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>>17151106
Everyone likes making fun of nihilists but can you prove them wrong?

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>>17151121
Yeah, I exist, not them.

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>>17151121
It's not about being wrong it's about being so obvious it's pointless to state.
Yeah we're gonna die. Fucking obviously. No learning Japanese won't make stop that. Fucking obviously, again. We're here learning Japanese cause we wanna have a good time before we die. Does the good time matter? No, but who the fuck is gonna turn down a good time? Exactly.

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>>17151128
>No, but who the fuck is gonna turn down a good time?
TruNEETs who are opposed to the take over of /jp/ by norms like you.

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>>17151133
So you say, but here you are.

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>>17150870
ありがとごさいます先輩 Nyaa said they all had zero seedsｓ

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>>17151059
>Pieces of art need to mean something.

>>17151007
>An art is defined as an activity that is carried out to create what is beautiful.

A shame this is a blue board, or I'd give you some taste of 'art'. Anyway, you're confusing 'art' with 'fine arts'. Yes, even the English language can provide such nuances. 'Art' being the production of anything, even your farts (holy shit, don't tell me this pun wasn't artistic).

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>>17151128
It looks like you are implying people make choices, implicitly denying the deterministic nature of our lives.
Oops!

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>>17151145
Who the fuck is being propelled by inertia in this deterministic universe to eventually inevitably turn down a good time? Exactly.

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>>17151145
Someone post that radical freedom comic

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>>17151153

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>>17151096
>There's no reason to think that one person's subjective interpretation, the one that only holds meaning to them, is worth anything more than another person's objective interpretation

That's where you're wrong. I am myself and nobody else. I am the center of the universe, and whether I like it or not, I will never be anything else. As a human being, it is my duty to act on my feelings and satisfy my desires to carry out what actions I feel to be correct. What you're saying is that nothing really means anything, and while, from a purely objective point of view, that may be true, it is logically impossible to have a purely objective point of view, and so we can approximate our own subjective views of objectivity to be objective so as long as follow that certain shared subjective line of reasoning that humanity follows which we call objective (the same line that math and philosophy follow). Humans would make no progress at all if there were no efforts to seek out the truth all because the fact that the truth is an impossible ideal. And of course, progress is subjective too, but without this subjective idea of progress, we'd still be killing each other with rocks. Humanity as to make subjective approximations as to what is objective to to progress, and standard languages are an absolute necessity to the well-being of mankind. You would not want to live in a world where everyone knows that everything is subjective. It would look a little bit like most of Africa.

And so, even if my definition is subjective, art DOES have a meaning and it must be preserved for humanity's sake.

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>>17151159

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>>17151160
Okay, just don't cross the line over into definitions and shit.

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>>17151128
You're not going to die though.
When you die you are judged by God on whether you were a good or bad person.
If more good than bad heaven if more bad than good hell.
Being rude to others on the internet like this adds "bad" points, just thought you'd like to know ok.

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>>17151172
Only Americans still believe this bullshit.

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>>17151121
My response to nihlism>>17151160

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>>17151163

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>>17151172
Work on the bait, lad, no one's buying it.
>>17151180
Oh, wait.

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>>17151180
You're right, but it's obviously fucking bait.

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>>17151172
I don't believe in God. Can you understand that? Look around you man. Cant you see? The clamor and din of those in torment has to be the sound most pleasing to his ear. Your fellowship is a fellowship of pain and nothing more. And if that pain were actually collective instead of simply reiterative then the sheer weight of it would drag the world from the walls of the universe and send it crashing and burning through whatever night it might yet be capable of engendering until it was not even ash. The shadow of the axe hangs over every joy. Every road ends in death. Or worse. Every friendship. Every love. Torment, betrayal, loss, suffering, pain, age, indignity, and hideous lingering illness. All with a single conclusion. For you and for every one and every thing that you have chosen to care for. There’s the true brotherhood. The true fellowship. And everyone is a member for life.

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I just think it's extremely sad that we are born for no reason but to suffer. And when we die it's as if we have never lived to begin with, and we stay dead forever. We grow up being told there's some kind of God that loves us and he is a man of justice. I don't want to die because it means all my memories and this existence that I have will just begone forever. Having death anxiety as a human is something terrible. I wish to be able to reincarnate to enjoy life all over again, while keeping my memories, too bad we just die, even if there is a God he doesn't care about humanity or at least low life scum like us.

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>Let's have a nice thread by reporting and ignoring off-topic posts.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1grhmdzoHrw

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>>17151221
>we are born for no reason but to suffer

Try finishing 8th grade before you make sweeping generalizations like that.

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>>17151236
Over 6 billion people live in shitholes like China India Colombia Vietnam and Iraq. Very few are fortunate enough to be born in first world countries like US West Europe Japan Australia etc. And even then there are those with depression, health issues, family problems and so on. If you think humanity is not about suffering then you're very, very privileged, probably live in a fucking bubble too, spoiled brat. I was once in my mid 20s by the way, it felt really edgy calling other kids like your age back then 8th graders, so I understand where your insecurity is coming from. Try caring less about what others think of you on an anonymous imageboard.

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>>17151266
Plenty of Chinese, Indian, Colombian, and Vietnamese people live lives that have both happiness and sadness in them.

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>>17151102
Why do you think impermanence implies worthlessness? You could suppose the opposite with at least as much justification if not more.

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i dont have all day to report 700 posts is there a faster way to destroy this thread

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20 posts is a start but you might as well just prune the thread at the op mod chan

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like why do you prune posts that have japanese in them as opposed to shit like >>17151229>>17151225
>>17150959
>>17150934
>>17150926
>>17150870
>>17150858
>>17150736
>>17150724
>>17150685
>>17150675
>>17150673
>>17150671
>>17150651
>>17150648
>>17150645
>>17150614
>>17150604
>>17150535
ok thats enough this is your job

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ゆっくりしていってね

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スレッド殲滅

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>>17151138
Try anyway, the stats can be wrong. I completed it this week w/supposedly zero seeds.

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Etymology of おおまか

「おおまか」 の対語は 「細かい」 なのですが， 「細かい」 を 「小まか」 と解釈してしまって，それの対語として 「大まか」 ということばをつくってしまったというわけです。
http://mobility-8074.at.webry.info/201508/article_57.html

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I still don't really understand where 適当 gets it's negative meaning. Is it sarcasm, or something like いい加減 where the idea is that you're adjusting a value which should be the target of optimisation?

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>>17151638
"Merely" appropriate.

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おはようおにいちゃん

ジャパリまんたべたい

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>>17151097
Just download subbed videos and turn off the subs.

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>>17151978
It's a manga.
I just realized I butchered that first line. Shitty capped download speed sites*

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>>17151638
Because giving a 適当 answer or reaction could be because you didn't really give a shit enough to think of an interesting or honest response, or at least that's the impression it leaves in some situations

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>そして、そうはさせじと対ＡＩ対策班の部隊が続々と駆けつけている模様だ。

What on earth could そうはさせじ mean? It seems to be some kind of classical conjugation, but the only explanations of the classical じ which I've found don't seem to fit the context very well.

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>>17152080
そうはさせまいと
そうはさせるまいと
そうはさせぬと
そうはさせんと
そうはさせじと

このへんぜんぶおなじいみでつうじるよ

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>>17137941
Neither does learning Japanese. With the new Duolingo app, you can learn Japanese in as little as five minutes per day.

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>>17149463

Yes, and tweaked Python so that it shows English translation of example sentences when I hover. Just need to get the example sentences to show furi now but i cant code for shit

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>>17149463

your cards look so messy, do you really learn with them being that way?

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True Retention is fucked, showing me with a 100% rate even though I failed more than one review. Anybody else encountered this?

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How can people watch anime for thousands of hours and not learn Japanese? Is it that much harder than, say, Russian?

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>>17152321
They watch it with english subs and tune out the japanese. They only pick up a few words.

Japanese isn't "harder" to learn than something like russian. The difference is that russian is closer to english etc than japanese is, so people basically already know more russian than japanese, even if they've never been exposed to it before.

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>>17152321
I have watched a lot of anime when I was young, and I have a lot of sentence fragments and words stuck in my head ever since. Doesn't mean I know any grammar, really. It would be the same if I watched a similar amount of Russian cartoons with English subs.

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Alright DJT! After 3 months of intense studies, I finally did it!: I memorized the "big 5"! My first 5 kanjis, memorized, now totalizing a total of 10 words, in all their possible readings and meanings. I'm looking forward to continue learning more and more with you, and overcoming a milestone after each new achievement!

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>>17152263
Delete and reinstall it, see if it's still busted.

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>>17152263
Was the "review" on a new card that was buried from the previous day or something complicated like that?

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>>17152345
>5 kanji
>3 months
Only 60 more years until you reach your first 1000 kanji anon!

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now come up with 5 different sentences using each one and ill be impressed

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>>17152343
Wouldn't the grammar come naturally? I never studied English grammar for example, but I still speak it fluently.

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>>17152421
japanese grammar doesnt come naturally in djt

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>>17152421
It does but only if you know enough of the words to notice what patterns are being used.

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>>17152439
Explain.
>>17152446
But wouldn't you learn those words?

>tfw only used my young brain to learn english
wasted potential lads

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>>17152465
>But wouldn't you learn those words?
Only if you pay attention. Which people watching anime don't.

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>>17152421
Is your native language a Germanic one? Because then it's obvious that English comes naturally to you.

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>>17152465
Who are you quoting?

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>>17152489
Yes, but the basic principle should still apply.

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>>17152501
Yes, but it would require a lot more time to learn a different language through watching series if you aren't at least familiar with their grammar. By knowing a Germanic language, you are familiar with English grammar. Also, the words are incredibly similar, and can usually be guessed.

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>>17152512
Doesn't thousands of hours qualify as a lot of time? If you're mentally filtering out the japanese then of course no, but if we'd assume you paid attention. Would you learn japanese at a decent (conversational) level?

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>>17152528
>Doesn't thousands of hours qualify as a lot of time?
Depends on the context, but yes. That's not what I said though. I said a lot more, keyword being more. If picking up English would take x amount of time, then Japanese would be 1000x or something. And considering English is everywhere, you probably had tens of thousands of hours of material, which means Japanese would take thousands of years with this method.
Obviously I'm making these numbers up.

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Thread about a guy who watched 2000 hours of Chinese dramas with no subtitles.

https://forum.koohii.com/thread-7248.html

Not very impressive results.

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>>17152549
Although he tried other methods earlier and failed. Might just be him being bad at languages in general.

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>>17152549
I don't know about the actual hours spent but I learnt a big chunk of Japanese after watching anime for 5 years. This was without actually wanting to learn the language at all

I obviously can't prove it or really know what level I was at back then

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>>17152549
If you learn from video you need to watch educational programs for kids.
Do you show drama when teaching words to children?
We have to start from simple things.

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So I've been grinding through the DuoLingo course a bit. Disclaimer: I know nothing about the Japanese language, and I should be reading the NeoCities guide instead of using DuoLingo.

Anyways, I'd say that it's a decent recommendation for beginners. Not a solid or definitive recommendation, but decent. It burns you through hiragana first, having you learn what they sound like and basic words, then katakana and some kanji. I'm not too deep into the course offering, but the pattern seems to be that they'll work you through the kana until it's ingrained into your memory, then have you learn kanji along the
way.

I still have trouble attaching the graphical aspects of the kana to their actual sound, but that's a personal problem. An actual problem I see with this program is that it doesn't actually teach you grammar nor how said grammar flows. It teaches you the words, and it's up to you to know or guess where in a sentence it is meant to go. Furthermore, it adheres to the basic setup in DuoLingo courses overall: Complete the categories of words or phrases, then continue on, all at your own pace, while going back whenever DuoLingo assumes that your memory is slipping. Whether or not that actually works remains to be seen.

So, TL;DR: DuoLingo works if you're too lazy to read OP and put in actual effort. But if you're serious about learning Japanese, then you're gonna want to either dive headfirst into the DJT Guide or use DuoLingo as a supplement to the DJT Guide.

[Anonymous No.]

Do they evaluate stroke order and "proportions" in the written part of N(insert number) tests?

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>>17152695
There is no written portion. It's multiple choice.

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>>17148797
いいか

>>17148829
Thanks!

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>>17152629
I've been half-assed studying off and on for years now, and only really been getting more serious about learning since around the start of this year. Downloaded duolingo today and did the little placement thing, and it put me past the first checkpoint. I'm on the time 3 lesson currently, and it's not hard at all since I already know my kana, so all I have to do is focus on what the subject matter is.

Seems like very simple lessons so far, but definitely useful stuff. I never really bothered learning how to tell the time in Japanese, so these time lessons are neat. I also like how they cycle between having you translate a sentence in different ways, especially the little Japanese word blocks one since it helps you learn how to form sentences yourself.

I dunno how the rest of the lessons are, but I like it so far. Although, after looking ahead there's only a couple more checkpoints worth of stuff, so I don't expect it to last very long as it currently is. But if they keep updating it with more lessons, then it could definitely be a nifty little supplement to whatever else one might be doing.

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>>17151546
Can I get a source on this ultra cutie?

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>>17152501
You need to know enough for the content to be comprehensible. If you know enough words and grammar points, that even though you are missing some it "message" is getting across, you will absorb grammar. There isn't much need to study grammar past tae kim, as long as you read a lot.

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>>17152757
Read the guide.

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>>17152766
could be Omokage

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おねーちゃん

パルパルいきたい

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>>17147197
>no use in Japanese
This is a chink cartoon image board, remember where you are.

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>>17152827
ありがとうございます。

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>>17147197
>CS
>50k job
I'll take my chances with Google and transfer offices.

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>>17147197
>>17152888
>>17153073
Hi. What does this have to do with learning Japanese?

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>>17153219
これこそが日本語勉強の中心よ

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>>17137747
Anyone have the original core 6k deck for anki?

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Senpai!!!!!!!
Help please.

What is the proper use of

何
なぜ
どうして
どうして is more casual while なぜ is more forceful or casual? I'm not sure the context to read behind these.

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>>17153465
if only there was a grammar guide that explicitly stated what order these go in

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>>17153465
どうしてそう言うことを聞くの？
なぜガイドを読まない？
何考えてるの？

[Anonymous No.]

おいしいものを食べてこその人生なのです

[Anonymous No.]

>>17153511
おいしいものも食べられた人生なのです

[Anonymous No.]

>>17153504
rekt

[Anonymous No.]

>>17152757
>been getting more serious about learning since around the start of this year
>Downloaded duolingo today
>getting more serious
Holy fucking shit I didn't even read the rest of that shit hahahahaha

[Anonymous No.]

>>17153534
hes probably the anon copying r.eddit posts for (yous)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17153536
Fuck, looks like I got baited

[Anonymous No.]

>>17153547

[Anonymous No.]

>>17153561

[Anonymous No.]

I wish my Core deck would just disappear. I suspended new cards a while ago but the reviews still swallow 20 precious minutes a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17153595
too bad you filthy little ranga

[Anonymous No.]

>>17153511
おにいちゃんおなかすいた

からあげたべたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17153534
Never said I was getting serious by using Duolingo. I downloaded it because people keep talking about it, and it's free, so I figured I'd give it a go. But you can laugh if you want, because I'm learning and you can't stop me.

[Anonymous No.]

おなかがすいたので

とりをつぶすよ

[Anonymous No.]

so correct me if im wrong..
わざわざ is something done especially and can extend to a future or completed event
but せっかく can only be used on a completed event right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17153997
>せっかく

これはうしろに「～た」がくっつくんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

>せっかくうまくいっ「た」

[Anonymous No.]

>>17154091
なるほど、しっかり過去形です