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I'm a bit interested in playing BMW, but as it is a japanese SRPG, im not looking forward to the endless grinding that usually accompanies these types. Though, I do not mind it that much.

What I do worry about though is what I see to be the problem in the leveling system, as it seems all upgrade points seem to be shared by all your characters. This would make it extremely easy to gimp yourself by boosting useless characters, and/or useless abilities.

Is there a general strategy on who are good characters to use, and what abilities, skills, and weapons are worth upgrading?

>> No.1695058

>>1695037
Yes, there is.

Would you like me to write a guide on it?

>> No.1695070

>>1695037
Also, it's not really grinding. Ever play Super Robot Wars? Battle Moon Wars is that with Touhou characters. Hell, there's mecha parody enemies all over the place. Anyways, there's no real grinding because it's stage by stage progession, no going back.

>> No.1695196

>>1695070

yeah, im aware that its not really grinding, thats why its so much more easier for you to gimp yourself on poor decisions.

>>1695058

If that isn't sarcasm that'd be great, or just a general guideline.

>> No.1695209

>Battle Moon Wars is that with Touhou characters
what

>> No.1695216

>>1695196
I have finals, but I'll be happy to have it ready by Dec 12th.

I'll put a BMW to-do list together.

>> No.1695217

Shitsux, grindan, bad story, etc.

>> No.1695231

>>1695217
0/10

I expect more from you, Jones.

>> No.1695238

Game is more of how to make certain characters suck less then which characters are good.
You can generally get through 3/4th of the game while getting all the battle masteries with minimal upgrades.
However, if you really want to know what skill you definitely want then SP regen on all characters and Attack and Run on all the characters who can't move then attack.
>>1695217
lolgrindanwhar?

>> No.1695239

http://bmw.seiha.org/

Patches for the game can be found here, along with any other bit of information you may need, including character tiers.

There's no grinding, it's impossible to go back to previous stages. You can, however, fail stages on purpose in order to redo the battle and keep experience and items obtained.

Leveling system works. I don't see problems with it, and it's not that hard of a game.

That being said, I fucking hate Shiki during the early levels. Durring most of the stages, if he dies, it's fucking game over. It doesn't help that he has low defense early on, so one hit from bosses and he's dead. He becomes top tier later on, when his damage output increases and agility goes up.

>> No.1695241

BMW isn't hard, at all.

You don't really need a guide or anything, just use your favorite characters. Hell half the levels choose characters for you anyway (or deploy like 3/4 the cast).

The only way it's hard is if you get all the battle mastery's and don't upgrade at all.

>> No.1695264

>>1695216

that'd be awesome

>> No.1695282

>>1695239
lol Shiki.
Early game = God dammit, Shiki died again somehow with focus.
Late game = God dammit, Shiki killed the whole stage again, how the hell is Kohaku/Hisui going to get any kills?
>>1695241
The "use your favorite characters" works as long as you hate Shirou. Shirou starts out horrible then gets an upgrade but he still sucks.

>> No.1695316

>>1695282

as Shiki is my favorite character, looks like I'll be fine late game.

>> No.1695320

>>1695282
yea, basically shirou sucks unless you pump a bunch of stats into him. He REALLY SUCKS before his upgrade. Afterwards, he can do damage... if you give him tons of potential and guard, somehow get him down to like 10% hp and watch mobs hit him for 10 dmg while he smacks back.

the problem is if you're on super path, you can have sacchin do the same thing for decidedly less upgrade points.

>> No.1695321

>>1695282
>Shirou starts out horrible then gets an upgrade but he still sucks.
lol, one of the three best tanks in the entire game sucks, huh?

>> No.1695324

>>1695321
IMO it's not a matter of his potential. Post upgrade, he can be UBER. the problem is, the amount you have to invest in him is pretty high.

>> No.1695346

>>1695324
He already has a shitload of normal damage and special damage. Just give him a Z and a moving item, put him on your front line and give him the full-accuracy, and he can take shitloads of damage while breaking them down faster than anyone other than Saber or the male lead.

>> No.1695350

>>1695346
i never felt his damage was good unless you upgraded him. then again, i feel "normal" is a good 8~10k tier 1 weapon hit with Ryogi.

>> No.1695353

>>1695282

>The "use your favorite characters" works as long as you hate Shirou.

Shirou is my favorite character, but no one believes me when I say that. They just call me a troll.

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>>1695353

>> No.1695402

>>1695353

lol 7/10. that was a good one.

>> No.1695521

Here's a question, what are the general "classes" in this game?

Like Attacker/DPS, tank, healer/buff/support, long range artillery. Who usually fits for that class, and what should be the party layout.

>> No.1695618

>>1695521

I would say classes could be divided into power units, speed based, tanks, long range attack, and support.
However, this may be a misrepresentation of the game. Lines between concepts of classes are blurred due to the fact that everyone has their own special abilities and attributes. Akiha, for example, has long range attacks and negates damage less than 1000, and Hisui has high defense while auto defending adjacent units while also having healing and support abilities. It's up to the player whether they want to focus on any unit's particular attributes or to even out the party.

As for the party layout, for most of the game, up to around level 25ish or something, the game forces you to use certain characters. Only later are you given the ability to choose the characters you use.

>> No.1695652

>>1695618
>Akiha, for example, has long range attacks and negates damage less than 1000

Less than 4000, at least later on... I don't recall what she negates early on, because I never, ever use Akiha.

>> No.1695664

>>1695521
If you want easy moodo, just power up your main character(s) and one shot stuff with them.

>> No.1695766

High Tier (Just focus and walk into enemies)
Both Shiki
Lancer

Good Tier
The two main characters

The rest are the same.

>> No.1695776

This game is FUCKING hard if you've never played a SRW-type game before. I got my ass handed to me on the first level seven times before I figured out that you're supposed to use the Spirit commands EVERY ROUND, and abuse save/reload like a bitch. Otherwise things one-shot you and you die horribly.

>> No.1695795

>>1695766
T Shiki is shit as is. His damage is mediocre and his final is weak. Focus won't protect him from everything alone and he'll die in one or two hits.

>> No.1695796

The game is extremely easy, though that might be because I'm so used to playing SRPGs like Fire Emblem. As others said, just upgrade whoever you like and you'll be set, but a general note that if you like the Tsukihime/Melty Blood cast better, you should pick the super route, and if you like the Fate series better pick the real route.

In the end you can use whoever you want, but your forced to used certain characters earlier in the game depending on if you go super/real, and what I stated above is generally the rule.

>> No.1695803

>>1695282
I giggled.

How is Akiha as a character?
And don't say "flat".

>> No.1695810

>>1695803
Flat.

>> No.1695817

>>1695803
Akiha is meh.

Rin and Sakura are superior for the most part.

>> No.1695823

>>1695795

I dont know how you use him.
Just get SP regen, rythm sense, revenge and just send him in. Once he get above 130morale he is a dodging machine. Then just use his 2x damage to pwn the boss. He is a god in my game.

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>>1695803
Earlier in the game she's pretty much invulnerable to everything but bosses, and can dish out some serious damage.

Later on though, she doesn't scale as well as the other characters who can dish out 10k+ damage with a single attack, and she becomes more of a filler character (though her field attack is pretty nifty).

I used her the entire game though, because Akiha is loev.

>> No.1695833

>>1695776

Yup, give all your regular units SP Regen, and have them cast their best defense/avoid spirit every round, it makes the game a breeze actually.

>> No.1695830

>>1695795
2x mystic eyes alone is enough to keep shiki around.

>> No.1695832

>>1695795
Up his evade enough, and give him SP regen. Every damn turn, you can use focus, and his dodge/hit is really awesome. Just have him wade into battle and damage everything/finish stuff off, and let other people finish the damaged ones off.

>> No.1695837

If you go super route: Make sure you always finish off Sacchin with shiki.

If you go real route: make sure by stage 47(or was it 48?) that you have Hisui+Kohaku's kills at over 50.

>> No.1695842

>>1695823
>>1695830
>>1695832
That's the thing. You buffed him. Buff any decent melee unit as much as you buffed Shiki and you'll get better results.

>> No.1695847

>>1695842
oh really? with the exception of Ryogi and maybe Sacchin, i dunno about that.

>> No.1695866

>>1695847
Saber? Archer? Main Characters? Ciel? Arc?

All have better potential.

>> No.1695868

>>1695866
oh, i'll give you saber. Archer tho... meh. I always put him a tier below shiki. And Arc... only 3rd form is above shiki. Form 1 is equal imo. Ciel... i dunno about that. I think the benefit of overlapping mystic eyes slash outweighs currybutt.

>> No.1695869

>>1695866
oh, and Haruna and Takumi are obviously awesome, but you'd be a fool not to upgrade your route character, since you have to force deploy them for the entire first 2/3 of the game.

>> No.1695880

>>1695868
>>1695866
>>1695847
>>1695842
Towards the end of the game though, you have so much BP and FP, and every level your allowed to use just about your entire stock of characters, it really doesn't matter much. On top of that, if you're playing the super route, early game you need to buff up Shiki since you'll need to keep him alive all the time. I can see not buffing him up for the Real route (I never did), but theres not really any reason to not use him as a serious character for the Super route.

>> No.1695884

>>1695868
Archer is a beast. Better base stats, better damage, much better HP, near same good evade and hit. Double mystic eyes attack is comparable to the trio attack of Akiha/Arc/Ciel.

And if you want to add team attacks, I can put Shirou and Sakura in there as well. Rabu rabu projection fist is godlike.

>> No.1695893

>>1695884
yea, except Akiha is very MEHHHHHH and usually I don't deploy her. I prefer touko, Sakura, or Rin for artillery.

>> No.1695914

Just one thing... Which route is which? Haruna = ?? Takumi = ?? All this Super/real is unknown to me...

>> No.1695921

>>1695914
Generally mechs are seperated into two catergories, super and real.

In Super Robot Wars, Supers are mechs that don't dodge quite well but are able to take some punishment.

Reals are units able to dodge well and usually have paper thin armor to match that.

>> No.1695922

haruna = real
takumi = super

Basically the high dodger/hit is classify as real type.
The high damage/defend is classify as super type.

>> No.1695924

>>1695914
If you actually started the game, you'd know. Selection of route is at the start of the game, and it's very clear.

>> No.1695925

>>1695884

Don't forget that his attacks cover a shitload of area. Since he has no blind spots, buff his speed or defense and send him in the middle of a group of enemies. He's able to deal counter damage to all of them because the area his attacks cover his huge.

>> No.1695944

Don't underestimate the usefulness of buffing the hell out of Len. Her dodge is almost on par with Shiki's, enemies will beeline her and her normal attack halves their to-hit, which leaves them sitting ducks for other people to finish off. Her armor busting attack is also awesome for dealing with bosses. She's practically a requirement to deal with the New Game+ upgraded bosses who have Tough in the 4-5k range.

>> No.1695951

>>1695924
I'm pretty far in the game, started it a very long time ago, but don't remember those terms... I remember choosing the main character. Probably I didn't read everything.

>> No.1697200

How many characters do you usually get to use in a battle?

>> No.1697224

>>1697200
This varies widely. For many End of Act bosses, you can field every character you currently have.

Also, people knocking on Tohno Shiki should kill themselves.

>> No.1697259

What characters are exclusive for each route?

>> No.1697276

>>1697224

oh wow, im used to games with like 6-8 chars or something smaller like that.

>> No.1697287

>>1697259
Satsuki is exclusive to the Super route and Mech-Hisui is exclusive to the Real route.

>> No.1697306

>>1697287
Ok. Thx for the info.

>> No.1697327

God Tier:

Ryogi Shiki
Tohno Shiki after getting buffed
Bazett

High tier:

Kaleido Ruby
Whatever's the latest form of Arcueid you can use
Akiha
Takumi
Caren motherfucking Ortensia
Saber early on

>> No.1697336

Saber is probably my favorite character to use.

She's fantastic. The only problem with her is that she drains energy like nobody else. But I have the Caster Card on her for that.

>> No.1697338

>>1697327
Wait. You're saying Len, the character that can cut enemies defense in half is bad? And Shirou's great once he gets his upgrade.

>> No.1697343

>>1697276
It's usually between 6-10 up till late Act 3/4. Be forewarned that in some missions, you may only be using between 1-4 characters, though, since they're fairly scripted.

>> No.1697358

>>1697327
Len is High, one of the better supports.
Shirou, after getting his upgrades should be middle (near unkillable)

.

>> No.1697368

uh i hate asking for help, but i would like to know where i can find this game

>> No.1697377
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1697377

alright everyone

listen to this

S P O I L E R A L

use it to get all your characters to top level and all abilities to max

that's all you need

>> No.1697382

>>1697368

http://www.hongfire.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1513512

If it doesn't have act $, search it separately.

>> No.1698414

>>1697368

I got part 4 from rapidshit.

>> No.1698509

>>1697327
>Shit tier
>Len

Len turns Berserker/Gilgamesh/All Tank Bosses into catfood. Situational, yes... but best dodge of every character until Shiki's upgrade (even moreso when you add in her debuff) and even then she's still on par because of her Small ability, she lets other units spam their their best attacks, she naturally comes with SP Recover, and her only bad Spirit is Observe. All she's bad at is dealing damage (which shouldn't matter for a support unit) and low HP (which doesn't matter because she'll never take a hit).

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