/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

https://pastebin.com/0bXBHR4m

Hecatia's full article in AFiEU isn't THAT political, but anyway in it she mentions that basically Eiki's speculation that she was treating Clappy nice by letting her stay in Gensokyo was spot on. However, she admits that there's more to Clownpiece being there than a reward for a job well done.

What do you think that is? I don't know this weirdo's plots.

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>>16793798
She is way too tall for a fairy there and where are her wings?

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>>16793895
she's wingless all throughout the book

it seems only Hirasaka appreciates fairy wings

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>>16793908
Woah CP is stacked

[ANON X No.]

>>16793908
that and I think she's doing the Gensokyo equivalent of 'hiding ones powerlevel' a bit there.

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>豊聡耳神子

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>Truth? Have you EVER done that? All you do is choose the truth that's most beneficial for you and try to dye the world in that color. Heck, that way of thinking would make you a perfect match for the Lunarians. No wait, this magazine of yours is already chock full of prejudice. Seriously, you should go back over every article in here and ask yourself if it's really the truth.

Holy shit, Heca.

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>>16794099
Hecatia is probably one of the most intelligent characters in Touhou, just because she is so open-minded.

Even Yukari is closed-minded. Really, I feel if Hecatia tried to make it so Gensokyo had Humans and Youkai accept each other and not have to eat/be eaten, she would succeed.

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>>16793798
From what I've read, Hecatia isn't an official goddess/ruler of hell, but is so powerful that nobody tries to get in her way. Is this correct? Is she with Eiki's ministry or goes solo?

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>>16794203
She doesn't say that she's NOT a goddess, but Aya thinks she made it sound like she's a goddess (or called a goddess) because she's strong.

>>16794099
No wonder Eiki has respect for her, despite never dealing with her really.

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>>16794099
Wow, I like Hecatia now.
Now for reasons other than crying from Marisa face.

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>>16794490
I just question more why she associates with Junko

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It was pretty obvious from the fairies manga when she told Clownpiece to go to Gensokyo and then, when comfortable, reveal herself to people that she just wanted Clownpiece to mostly just make friends and be happy.

As for there being more to it I surely don't know, I imagine you just have to wait for the fairies manga to elaborate, but it's probably not some kind of weird shady thing.

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>>16794517
Well in that passage it's clear she has distaste for the Lunarians and the way they do things. She probably sympathized with Junko.

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>>16794203
>Is she with Eiki's ministry or goes solo?

Eiki identifies her as a leader of their organization, but going from Heca's interview it's probably more of an informal arrangement of mutual cooperation they have with her rather than a proper job she has. Like, she doesn't have an office or anything, and she more or less just goes off and does whatever she wants, but if she has something to say you bet your ass they're going to listen to her.

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>>16794099
YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

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>>16794583
Seems to me it's far less mutual cooperation since she doesn't actually do anything to help them and more a case of not stepping on each others toes.

She's displayed the insight and intelligence enough to realize that it does nobody any favours to go around antagonizing others by throwing your weight around.

But Hecatia has also shown she is definitely powerful enough to crush anyone who earns her ire even if it's on the level of the Lunarians as evidenced by LoLK and going by both ZUN's words and the interview they seem to back up this fact.

I really like that ZUN decided to flesh her out a bit as it brings a bit of flavour to the setting when you compare her to some of the other big puppeteers who are a lot more selfish in nature.

[Anonymous No.]

I've been too depressed lately to care about anything. Is this some new literary work?

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>>16794754
Alternative Facts in Eastern Utopia

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>>16794764
Seeing Hecka-chan like that makes my depression fade away

[Anonymous No.]

F*ck Lunarians

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>>16794099

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>>16795014
This is the stupidest edit you could make about the matter since Hecatia bashes the memepresident left and right

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>>16794964

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>>16793908
Does Clownpiece have a bigger chest than Orin and Koishi?

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>>16795230
Bigger than Koishi? Probably, though it's hard to know for certain with those baggy clothes of hers in the way.

Compared to Orin, though, things are a bit more murky. Though their tops are both more form-fitting than Koishi's, their difference in body posture, as well as the different angles they're being viewed from, make comparison tricky. There's also the difference in scale to consider, as fairy bodies tend to run smaller than humans, meaning that the mass and volume of even a relatively stacked fairy's breasts might not be much greater than those of a larger but less well-endowed woman.

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>>16793798
Artist made that red Hecatia instead of blue. What the heck, man.

>Some might want to conquer Gensokyo, while there are also people who want to destroy the entire universe. And some of those might already be putting those plans into action.

TH16 war with hell confirmed?

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>>16793908
Why's CP still wearing that costume if she isn't pissing off the Mooncunts anymore?

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>>16795988
TH16, fighting loli Cyberdemons in Hell with heavy metal soundtracks.

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>>16796000
>She chose that look after seeing the American flag at the Sea of Tranquility... is how the story goes. After that, it became a rather puzzling design that also included a little bit of the Statue of Liberty. I was thinking about too many things, and wondered how it would turn out.

It hasn't never been said she dresses like that to piss off Lunarians.

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>>16794099
Woah, Heca is cool as HECK

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So hecat is an open-borders extremist? and she's portrayed as the good person in this article?

good to know ZUN is a complete KEK. tengu are the only thus for closed borders and hierarchical civilization. awooooovment

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>>16796255
But then we have Miko who wants to build a wall around the Human village and make Humans great again.

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>>16796255
>>16796335
please don't turn this into a /pol/ thread.

please.

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>>16796255
Fuck off.

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>>16796255
>tengu are the only thus for closed borders and hierarchical civilization. awooooovment
Well, /pol/, I'm sorry to tell you...

...no, wait, I'm not.

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>>16796000
It's comfy. So she wears it.

Number 1 Rule of Fairy outfits - If it's comfy keep it.

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>>16796378
All this is is a free trade agreement. Humans are not immigrating into teenage lands they are just visiting. Literally kys you tertiary meme-spouting norm

>>16796368
Get over it, granny hillary lost, we won. globalist cucks like you are doomed

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>>16796255
>>16796410

Please keep your teenage humor where it belongs.

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>>16796432
What are you talking about? I'm 23 and already run my own successful business.

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I'm sorry, but /pol/ is NG

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>>16796445
no queers thank you

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>>16795988
>Artist made that red Hecatia instead of blue. What the heck, man.
Gensokyo is a part of Otherworld, therefore red Heca it is.

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>>16796467
Get out of /jp/

Hecatia seems really chill. I just wish she'd get a new shirt. It's not 1998 anymore.

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>>16796692
But in Marisa's ending she said she'd be in her earth form

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>>16796744
No, you cannot censor me

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>>16795988
She can technically be whichever body she wants at any time, including all three, and we've seen that when she was in the Dream World.

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>>16796798
Just manually swap from the 'preferred' body for the realm?

Maybe she wants to be more color coordinated for Gensokyo

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>>16796074
Doom Sign "Big Fucking Danmaku 9000"

[Anonymous No.]

Hecatia is tired of all the abuse she has received for the past two years and has finally exploded on a poor tengu!

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>>16796907
And here's rude Heca if you want to use her for something else.

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>>16796911
Fuck you wa yon~

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The idea Hecatia puts forth that Sagume might be manipulating Gensokyo towards a Lunarian end is interesting, it seems to imply it extends beyond what she did in LOLK. Maybe this ties into her meeting with Eirin in this book.

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>>16796907
I want to explode on a poor tengu, if you catch my drift

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Does Hecatia have a particularly unique way of speaking?

She gets translated as using valley girl slang so I was wondering if she talks like a gal in Jap or something.

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>>16794099

Holy SHIT BunBunMaru confirmed for FAKE NEWS!

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>>16797268
Big if true

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>>16794099
You ever get the feeling ZUN really doesn't want people to like Aya?

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>>16797152
Absolutely. Her speech is incredibly weird and tacky.

[ANON X No.]

>>16797268
it's always been editorially closer to "The Sun" than "The observer" that it proports to be.

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>>16797152
オーケーオーケー

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>>16794517
Maybe Hecatia uses Junko as a mean to indirectly destroys the Lunarians. Now that the plan fails, she now tries to befriend the faction thats responsible, which is Gensokyo.
If she managed to strike an alliance with Gensokyo, the next time Junko tries to do another invasion, the Lunarians, no matter how strong they are, might be in for a hard time.

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>>16797092
I really doubt that though. For one thing if she WAS manipulating Aya Aya wouldn't be able to so easily overturn her reverse-will fate shit, but Hecatia just convinced her to not publish the rag in Gensokyo.

I also couldn't really see what Sagume would gain from messing with Aya. It's easy to side with Hecatia because she's fucking awesome, but you should also remember that she's INCREDIBLY biased against the moon. For good reason, yes, but Sagume's a decent one among them for what it's worth.

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>>16797152
Yes, she speaks funky and happily and fresh. She also ends sentences with "wa yon~" here and there.

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>>16798220
She also just considers Junko a friend.

Talking about how they totally match and stuff.

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>>16798235
I know, I know. I Just wish there was someone else playing 4D youkai chess besides Yukari and Sagume.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't think I'm going to like this book.

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>>16798330
Why not?

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>>16798345
It's also doing the DS thing with trying to make Aya look worse and worse. Didn't like it then, don't like it now. It's also got very un-Touhou like humor. Trump jokes? Holy fuck no.
There being pages that tell the actual truth is intriguing, and I wonder what's the context behind those, but otherwise this just looks insufferable.

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>>16798364
>trying to make Aya look worse and worse
ahh, one of those types who thinks old games don't make the characters look bad, somehow

When Eiki's problem with Aya, in the game in which she debuted, was how she perverts the truth.

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>>16798364
Touhou has been mentioning and parodying outside world matters since forever, just because they picked someone you dislike now you get mad at the matter?
I personally hate the man but I don't see what's the problem, specially since he's pretty fitting in the whole "distorting the truth and talk in a way that gains you favors"

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>>16798368
Oh hush, I don't mean that. Yes, she's always lied and embellished and been dishonest, it's a defining character trait/flaw. That's fine.

This ain't. Where did this over-the-top tabloid mess come from? What's with these complete bullshit stories? We've seen and read tons of stuff Aya's produced, and yeah, you can tell she's twisting the truth. But nothing ever like this, not this level of truth twisting with this crazy bombastic tone, not even close.
...fuck, maybe she is being unknowingly manipulated by the mooninites. That would explain a lot.

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>>16798381
When has it ever been this direct? Tell me, I wanna know.
And even so, it's more because this guy is EVERYWHERE. I haven't spent a day since the election without hearing about Trump at least once. Enough already, for fuck's sake!

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>>16794099
Heca didn't even have to danmaku battle Aya to completely destroy her! (and ruin her career!)

>>16794203
>>16794583
>>16794740
So does this mean that Heca dresses the hot topic look because she destroys everyone who judges her, or because everyone is simply too afraid of her to mention anything?

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>>16798415
I think she just like the fashion anon.

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>>16798428
Well, it is very fashionable and cute!

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>>16798396
True, she's more of a truth twister than a blatant liar, but I dunno; a youkai getting caught up by some hot sensation in the outside world is not new. In this case, the hot sensation being political coverage of America's incredibly stupid presidential crap.

She's been chastised for this before, from another denizen of hell, so maybe that's why she could reflect on it better. Still, she's totally an isolationist as a Tengu and while she admires the idea of hell, I'm sure she wouldn't want something hellish in Gensokyo (the oni used to rule her mountain, and it seems literally nobody currently on the mountain liked that situation)

Personally want to believe this isn't Sagume's influence, but pretty much only because I think too highly of her and couldn't see the reasoning in it. Manipulating Sumireko? THAT had a very good reason. This? Well, it's mostly just bluster and slander.

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>>16798414
Try ignoring it. I'm not trying to be rude by saying that. It's not easy but really try.

I mostly get this shit from my family. I just tell them I don't want to talk or hear anything about politics. I would've liked Touhou to not touch it either, but I guess the sensation of it all unfortunately can't be denied. At least the whole rag wasn't so colored with this mess, just Miko's article and Hecatia's thoughts really.

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Could Hecatacel actually be the best Touhou after all? Was the truth right in front of me all along?

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>>16793798
>People unaccustomed to living virtuously, people with hearts of pure evil, and valorous people who seek true freedom... A bunch of people like that got together and created a world that would be favorable to their own circumstances.

is hell 4chan?

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>>16798445
So you're saying not only the endless horseshit of American politics has entered my favorite franchise, it's mostly and directly influenced by absolute favorite character in said franchise? Like if I was delusional enough to have a waifu, it'd be her, she's in with the whole Trump sensation now? You're saying something like that.
...I'm going to have to stop talking about this, sorry. I think I hurt my teeth gritting them that hard. I very definitely don't think I'm going to like this book.


>a youkai getting caught up by some hot sensation in the outside world is not new.
Again, when? I seriously can't remember any such instances. With older, forgotten stuff sure, Gensokyo's where that kind of thing belongs. But his sort of behavior is happening right now.

>>16798448
I am trying. Been doing pretty good too. Kinda can't now, though!

[Anonymous No.]

Tengu suck d00d

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>>16798496
>>a youkai getting caught up by some hot sensation in the outside world is not new.
>Again, when?

Also Kogasa thinking babysitters fly with brooms. Honestly there's actually quite a bit, like almost everything involving Kourin's finds too. Then there's Kappa seaworld and a bunch of other things really.

>she's in with the whole Trump sensation now? You're saying something like that.
Aya likes sensation and little has been more sensational in the outside world.

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If you do lewd things with only Red Heca, do her other bodies feel the lewd as well?

[Anonymous No.]

Can somebody give me a quick ayadown on these 2hus?

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>>16795988
They are rage. Brutal, without mercy. But you, you will be worse. Shoot and bomb, until it is done.

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>>16798458
It's Rapture.

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>>16798396
She was trying to see how to boost sagging sales.
Thing is Aya never released this book.

She mentioned that she's canceling something to Kosuzu and it's this as she realized it was shit.

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>>16798396
>...fuck, maybe she is being unknowingly manipulated by the mooninites. That would explain a lot.
Because she is being used by the Lunarians.

It's subtly pointed out within the publication and probably was the reason for Aya cancelling this magazine once she realized she had played into their hand.

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Huh, it looks like ZUN's Hell is very similar to Sunless Sea/Fallen London's interpretation.

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>>16798414
>>16798496
Maybe if you would stop being such an easily offended turbo-autist things would work out better for you

japs don't care about stupid americans who piss themselves over references of your own politicians

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>>16799016
I'm not American, but I'm tired of having American political crap shoved down my throat in every kind of contemporary media I consume

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>>16799047
Stop caring. I'd tell you how to go about it, but I just don't care.

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>>16798364
This reminds me of the people complaining that Nitori's a greedy asshole when she always has been. Aya has always stretched the truth and made sensational stories. She goes further than that and writes blatantly stupid shit in this particular magazine because she is being manipulated by the Lunarians, which Hecatia not-so-subtly spells out for her.

If it makes you feel any better, this book technically never actually comes out in Gensokyo, Aya says that she cancelled it for "various reasons" in FS.

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Enough already. /jp/ need not this kind of argument.

'Sides, look at the positive side; Aya cancelled the book of her own accord. In other words, she herself thinks it's a bunch of shit.
So really, getting overly worked up over this is a disservice to the pure and honest girl.

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>>16793798
Beside getting a little angry about what Hecatia said about borders, is that all that translated so far?
What else is the novel about, I haven't found any information on it online. Is it just about Aya's unpublish book?

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>>16799676
Lots of little articles of dubious veracity about people in Gensokyo. It's a more sensational version of BAiJR

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>>16799415
>because she is being manipulated by the Lunarians
Speculation!

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>>16798723
Reminds me way more of Disgaea with its "strong rule", "many weirdos", "freedom above all else", "people wanting to take over the world/universe or do nothing", and "making of your own hells"

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>>16798671
>>16799825

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>>16799676
Clarste's tumblr has the article summaries

[Anonymous No.]

At least we can now all agree that Hecatia is awesome.

>>16799833
>Reminds me way more of Disgaea
That's what I was thinking, too.

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>>16793798
That Aya admits that her stories are plagiarized from the outside world at least feels like it does de-politicize the story -- it's not that she is inciting hatred against particular groups, but it's just that it's the best thing for her to pump out sensationalist stories with

Even moreso if there is Lunarian influence, but Hecatia seems even a little too noided about it

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>>16799676
There are pages posted on danbooru with translations.

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>>16798561
Danbooru has some of them translated.

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>>16794099
Isn't somehow antipode of akyuu told to kosuzu in FS recently?

also only ones who have vast powers (both political and real) could said that kind so easily

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>>16800546
>Isn't somehow antipode of akyuu told to kosuzu in FS recently?

I'm not entirely sure what you mean.

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>>16793798
> Introducing Kourindou’s latest product: the featureless black tablet.
>Unlike its sister product, the smartphone, it’s too large to be used as a paperweight, so I recommend throwing it like a shuriken. It’s heavy enough to do some serious damage if it hits. You can also use it as a ultra-modern plate for serving food. The shiny black finish will give your meals quite the appearance. Not only that, if used as a mirror you won’t have to worry about cleaning it: black hides all sorts of dirt and grime. Frankly, the possibilities are endless.
>There’s been quite a surge of them coming into Gensokyo recently, but surprisingly that’s not because they’re no longer in use. Instead, it seems the outside world is constantly buying new replacements, that do the exact same thing, for no reason, and the older ones are impossible to recycle. Well, their stupidity is our fortune: get your own featureless black tablet today!

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>>16793798
I'd rather not create another thread just to discuss other parts of the book, so what about Sumireko's article? https://pastebin.com/4Q54BeA1

Specially this part:
>S: Kasen-chan is my friend, so we go hang out together and talk about stuff. Rinnosuke always values the junk I bring at really high prices, so he's pretty funny. Oh yeah, and Mami-san sometimes meets me in my world, and we hang out.
>R: Wait, what was that last thing? No one told me about this.

So Mamizou is still able to freely enter and leave Gensokyo at any time? How?

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>>16810711
I THINK we knew this? Or something like it. Like, it's how she gets outside world books for Kosuzu.

I think it might have something to do with how tanuki are still believed in in the outside world. 100% speculation.

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>>16810711
Raiko also seemed to get to the outside world alone via unknown means

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>>16810711
>>16810747
Ya'll should play the games some time.

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>>16811009
That stone turned out to be a fake though.

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>>16810357
>Their stupidity
If there was a better version of something you would buy that better version though.

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>>16811009
Funny you should say that since that was a fake Mamizou used to get Sumireko trapped in Gensokyo.

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>>16811112
Only if you're a disgusting richfag. Thing is, the superiority of new tablet models is extremely thin most of the time

[Anonymous No.]

Is the next touhou going to be fending off invasions from hell and the moon? Make Kaguya playable to get her revenge!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16811112
Consumerism is a disease

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>>16811055
>>16811123
The point was that there exist methods to go in and out of Gensokyo freely. Come on, guys.

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>>16811185
Kaguya and Mokou should be a playable team in the next game, but they won't do that because that would be actually interesting. We'll get the same pair-ups as usual, and Kaguya playable never.

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>>16797871
Never really felt that.

I figured Aya's newspaper was less of a news for the sake of news-paper and more of a way of increasing Tengu influence in Gensokyo, so saying "you pervert the truth" doesn't have much weight to it.

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>>16799833
I thought that as well.
Both Touhou and Disgaea Hells/Makais seem pretty appetizing to live in,

where do I start?

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>>16813013
Disgaea hells are ironically less dangerous despite having more insane and insanely powerful characters.

Few people are actually legitimately dangerous and no one eats humans.

>>16812162
Except there aren't really. Yukari can do it, and presumably Reimu, but that's what made the ULiL incident so worrying: moving a person easily across the barrier back and forth isn't normal. It's also why Kasen was obsessed with the barrier and still kind of is, because leaving or entering Gensokyo is apparently an ordeal without the right things.

Mamizou, whatever method she has, must be odd.

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>>16800546
Outsiders usually have different sets of values from the ones in Gensokyo, as noted by ZUN in regards to Junko.
But yeah, her position allows her to talk like this as well.

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>>16798415
Hell is a place of true freedom after all.

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>>16799676
>Beside getting a little angry about what Hecatia said about borders
I don't really see what's so controversial about what she said.

A border like the gensokyo barrier that (theoretically) is supposed to be completely impervious to any kind of penetration by a foreign object winds up leading to the intellectual stagnation that Hecatia mentions

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>>16813057
Mamizou is a very powerful bakedanuki that managed to cross over on something as frivolous as Nue asking her for help.

Also the barrier is probably fading/becoming porous in general, given the focus on invaders and shit like Druggie-kun/the dandelions recently.

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>>16815468
The border was never impervious, especially when one consider Yukari. She can easily travel to the Outside World.
And even if you disregard her, our world/Outside World has a constant presence in Gensokyo. If something big happen outside Gensokyo it can influence it.
Borders are there to protect the region, and the barrier of Gensokyo does that. It not meant to completely isolate an area just project, or limit arguably "harmful" object from entering.

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>>16816924
>It not meant to completely isolate an area just project, or limit arguably "harmful" object from entering.
Which in Gensokyo's case is "anything made after the early Meiji era."
The border is literally designed to freeze Gensokyo in the late 19th century so that the humans will keep believing in youkai.

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>>16817551
>The border is literally designed to freeze Gensokyo in the late 19th century so that the humans will keep believing in youkai.
Except that doesn't hold up when it was already deteriorating belief in youkai that was the reason to create the barrier. It isn't meant to technologically impair civilization. Humans don't need to be removed from technology as long as youkai keep making an influence on human worldview.

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>>16817551
The issue with that is that the Kappas (that is the right way to pluralize it, right?) have created many things that are far beyond the Meiji Era.
Some parts could be far more advance then what have, so Gensokyo can still be somewhat modern.

Plus the new book, mention tablets and smartphones, while not being used as such, exist and are in use in Gensokyo.

Gensokyo has a barrier, but even I know a barrier is not impassable. People can still come in such as Sanae, and while I'm not sure if she brought anything from the Outside world with her, she does bring Outside world ideas.

The Youkai needed someplace where humans still believe in them, and while Gensokyo is far behind us in technology, saying that introducing new things would deter belief in Youkai from happening is not true.

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>>16815468
>"A border like the gensokyo barrier (...) winds up leading to the intellectual stagnation that Hecatia mentions"
but it wasn't one of the points about it? to maintain you must control

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>>16817986
Except that control can go too far, which is why she brought up the Lunarians, as well. They are what happens if you try to shut EVERYTHING else out, and we've seen how well that ends up working out for them. Their society has basically remain unchanged since it began, and despite their supposed superiority to everyone else, they've had their asses kicked by supposedly inferior humans, been forced to evacuated by mere fairies, and had some of their people defect upon realizing how much the Moon sucks and that they enjoy living on Earth more.

They don't grow, change, or have even the slightest ability to adapt, and as a result their society has grown stagnant and begun to slowly bleed because some people have figured out there's something better out there and left them.

By contrast, Gensokyo has benefited more from allowing new things in than shutting them out completely. The Moriya bunch showing up is directly responsible for restoring some degree of relations between the surface and the underground,, as well as bringing in some relatively modern conveniences like electricity. The Buddhists, who the Moriya are also somewhat responsible for appearing, have given some youkai who were in danger of disappearing a new means of maintaining their existence, like with Kyouko. Raiko did something similar for her fellow tsukumogami, which was only possible by bringing in something from the outside.

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>>16816818
What?

That's wild and utterly off speculation. First, don't know how the drug addict could have anything to do with that Second, the dandelions were heavily suggested to have been Kasen's fault for unknowingly carrying seeds from outside during ULiL.

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So this book was never released in-universe. Sumi and Hecate talked Aya out of it. If that's the case, though, I wonder what context we get to see it in?

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>>16817665
>The issue with that is that the Kappas (that is the right way to pluralize it, right?) have created many things that are far beyond the Meiji Era.
Note, though, that the kappa use "youkai technology" which isn't exactly the same as stuff from Outside - most of their devices rely on supernatural principles to function, and are powered by water instead of electricity.

They ended up getting along really well with Kanako once they realized that she didn't just want to bring Outside World technology and modernization to Gensokyo, but to make technology "a gift from the gods". Though in HM Nitori expresses annoyance that this has led to people seeing her like a priest - it makes it seem like the kappa's gadgets are mere handouts from the gods rather than something they created through their own ingenuity and hard work, and like the kappa value blind obedience over new ideas.

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>>16819928
This is actually a good question.

Though it gets in the territory of "how do we know what all the books say if they're supposed to be gensokyo-only"

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>>16819930
This. Its not about the new tech, its about how'd the supranatural overlords plan to use it even more to control the human masses.
As long as the humans kept blinded about how'd technologies and medicine works, its all fine.

The situation isnt that far fetched. It reminds me to those pasific tribes that worships Prince Charles or American GIs because the soldiers give them modern necessities "Cargo" such as food and clothing and medicine, when they landed and take shelter in their primitive villages during WWII. Even trying to rationally explain howd these items came from are proven to be hard as the mindset of the natives and the outsiders are ust so different.

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>>16820367
please don't post that book, "kudasai"

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So this book was never released in-universe. Sumi and Hecate talked Aya out of it. If that's the case, though, in what context do we get to see it?

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>>16820738
>>16819928
Through the eyes of someone digging through Aya's garbage.

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>>16820727
no