/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Have you converted to Buddhism already?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16701588

which school?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_in_Japan#Japanese_Buddhist_schools

[Anonymous No.]

>>16701588
Sorry, my pastor told me to not speak to people like you

[Anonymous No.]

>>16701588
Tibetan Buddhism is superior to Japanese Buddhism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16701588
My family is Buddhist anyway, do I really need to convert?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16702109
Sky burials and charnel grounds are interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16701919
What's the name of this game? I remember it but I don't remember what it's called.

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>>16701588

whats going on in this picture

[Anonymous No.]

>>16702663

In this artist's fan universe Hijiri is a yuri succubus (figuratively) who goes around seducing and ntring the other girls, which is what she really got banished to makai for (where she promptly seduced Shinki). Sakuya and Meiling are in a relationship together and have a science baby and for obvious reasons do not want yuri succubus around.

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>>16702663

They kidnapped that little kid from the village and Hijiri is trying to save her.

Monsters.

[Anonymous No.]

Yohane's art should be bannable offense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16703060
I used to enjoy it until somebody pointed out the tiny arms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16701588
Nope. I'm a Roman Catholic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16701588
>2016
>being a pagan who is going straight into hell

[Anonymous No.]

>>16703489
Buddhists don't even have a God

[Anonymous No.]

>>16703489
>2016+1
>Still clinging to fairy tales from thousands of years ago
>inb4 *tips fedora*

[Anonymous No.]

>>16701588
Buddhism is for cowards

>>16703538
>Le current year

ebin bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>16702396
Touhou

[Anonymous No.]

>>16703060
Him, the fat ran guy, the ballbusting guy, and the freckle marisa weirdface guy should all be bannable.

[Anonymous No.]

Im reading Taoist and Buddhist philosophy books at the moment, but I only just started.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16703766

Scared?

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>>16703786
Taoism is fucking stupid

[Anonymous No.]

>>16702109
Study Shingon

best of both worlds

[Anonymous No.]

>>16703808
DELET THIS

[Anonymous No.]

>>16703786
>Taoism
Make sure the youkai don't eat you

[Anonymous No.]

>>16703808
SHUT THE HELL UP ANON

[Anonymous No.]

>>16703911
>>16703822
Have you actually read this book? Go get eaten by 10,000 yōkai

[Anonymous No.]

>>16703929
Yes but my translation was good

[Anonymous No.]

Doesn't Buddhism prohibit lewd activites?
Which religion is best for a lewdster like me?

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>>16703766
I've fapped to all three of those artists at least once.

You forgot kamS although he's dead and also less fappable.

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>>16704054
Religion isn't really for you if you're going to live the life of a hentai protagonist.
I guess there's Pastafarianism, as Pastafarian heaven has a beer volcano and a stripper factory.

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>>16704194
There were religious that used sex as a way of communing with their god. I don't know what their names are but it's a thing. Temple prostitutes and all that.

[Anonymous No.]

Buddhism is bored white liberals looking for a hobby.

Why would you even pick the religion not native to Japan?

[Kabuki Sounds]

[Anonymous No.]

>>16709785
Why would you pick the Japanese equivalent of wiccan, paganism, and romuva mixed in with emperor worship?

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>>16701588
when will this sick, filthy heretic be stopped?

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>>16703541
>>16703538
>>16703489

To whom are thine quotes attributed to, dear >>>/v/ermin?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16701588
The idea of true death is terrifying, so trying to escape the cycle of reincarnation is exactly what I don't want to do.

[Anonymous No.]

I just want to believe people will be reunited with their loved ones after death. If that isn't true I'd rather there just be nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16701588
Yes. Humans and Youkai are equal. The fact that my race (human) only care about theur own suffering while ignoring the suffering of others is a hypocrisy I cannot tolerate.

[Anonymous No.]

REMOVE SHINTO removeshinto you are worst moriya. you are the moriya idiot you are the moriya smell. return to china. to our chinese cousins you may come our contry. you may live in the museum….ahahahaha ,native god we will never forgeve you. moriya rascal FUck but fuck asshole suwako stink mishaguji dokyo dokyo..moriya shrine leave japan best day of my life. take a bath of dead moriya..ahahahahahNATIVE GOD WE WILL GET YOU!! do not forget mof .yasaka kanako we prevent your faith gather ,native god return to your precious swamp….hahahahaha idiot shinto and moriya smell so bad..wow i can smell it. REMOVE MORIYA FROM THE PREMISES. you will get eaten. myouren+taoist+youkai=kill moriya…you will dead/ buddha alive in gensokyo, buddha enlighten gensokyo . fast sutra buddha gensokyo. we are nirvana and bhava-agra now hahahaha ha because of buddha… you are ppoor stink moriya… you live in a coffin hahahaha, you live in the groun siddharta gautama budda alive numbr one #1 in gensokyo ….fuck the moriya ,..FUCKk ashol shinto no good i spit in the mouth eye of ur gods and snake. buddha aliv and real strong god kill all the moriya farm aminal with sutra magic now we the myouren rule
ape of the zoo yaoyorozu no kami fukc the great akuma and lay egg this egg hatch and moriya suwako wa;s born. stupid baby form the eggn go bak to your grave we will crush u lik a skull of pig. myouren greattst temple

[Anonymous No.]

>>16709819
Please don't equate Wicca and actual pagan/folk religion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16704346
>I don't know what their names are but it's a thing.
Just Sanae.

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>>16710566
Is it hypocrisy when youkai are thought of more as forces of nature rather than thinking sentient beings? And in any case preserving yourself and your species is not only natural, it's moral. Complete selflessness is a mental illness that doesn't help anyone.

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>>16710566
Youkai are, functionally and analogically, a parasitic species. They depend on the human gestalt field to continue existing (whether by continued belief, fear or urban legend), and yet usually have naught but detriment to offer in return at best. There are youkai, I grant you, who make themselves useful to those who, at the end of the day, give them life, but the gross majority of youkai are noxious, if not outright hostile toward humanity.

How is this equality?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16710566
LOOK MA I POSTED IT AGAIN!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16703489
I don't care for heaven, so don't you look for me to cry, and I will burn in hell from the day I die.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16711580
Not an argument

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>>16710566
do you consort with youkai, anon?

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>>16714611
Yes and unlike any of you, I see them as individuals. They shouldn't be blame for the actions of the few who do harm to humans. Should we blame a particular group of humans for the action of the few?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16703489
This

[Anonymous No.]

>>16701588
No why

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>>16714830
Congratulations, you're objectively an idiot, an edgelord or a baitposter, if not al of these things at the same time! Congratulations!

Also, speaking as a giant Mikofag, Love and Piece is nothing but edgy out-of-character garbage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16715406
Narrow-minded bigot. We gain nothing in preserving hatred between our two races. If peace is to be achieve we must try and understand them

[Anonymous No.]

>>16704346
Most haven't been around since ancient Babylon though

[sadly]

[Anonymous No.]

>>16715962
Actually, looking into it further, there are some places where it survived until late antiquity and beyond

Pretty interesting read
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_prostitution

[Anonymous No.]

>>16715989
Sounds like a religion /JP/ would follow

[Anonymous No.]

Is Byakuren the closest thing to pure evil in Gensokyo?

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>>16716367
No, that's Seija.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16716436
>Wanting to help humans remove their shackles is evil.
Why are you against human supremacy

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>>16716454
Seija doesn't care about humans, all she wants is to bring chaos to society, she is by default a creature whose values are inverted in relativity to the people arround her, she is evil by default (Unless you want to start an argument about "The nature of living beings, morals and ethics" or some shit like that).

[Anonymous No.]

>>16715406
>>16715939
Miko is a cuck
Byakuren is a slut
I came to fuck
And so are you

[ANON X No.]

>>16716367
that'd be a tree; I think; or a naughty hermit with blue-ish locks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16716521
Seiga? But she's subjectively right

[Anonymous No.]

>>16716501
Seija is not evil.

Are Humans evil because they also think in a different way than youkai?

Are you evil for killing and eating defenseless animals?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16720497
Seiga is just an asshole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16716367
No you dirty dirty taoist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16721274

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>>16701588
Hijiri sounds likr she has tbe right ideas. I'll convert and join her and her struggles of civil liberties

[Anonymous No.]

>>16720802
Amanojaku literally have to be evil or they cease to function as amanojaku. You can get into whatever bullshit moral relativism argument you want, but Seija's ultimate goal is to cause harm.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16725897
Nothing civil about youkai.

[Anonymous No.]

I watch Alan Watts sometimes, if that counts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16725979
She thinks the opposite of what other people think, likes what others hate, etc.
She's just acting like a contrarian, which doesn't necessarily have to be evil.

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>>16701588
>not being part of the effort to convert Japan to Orthodox Christianity

stay pleb

[Anonymous No.]

>>16726084
The amanojaku's ultimate purpose, while contrarian, IS to irritate, deceive, bother, and anger people. It is a contrarian to get that across. In that sense, I'd say Seija, like all amanojaku, are evil. While it's true she thinks against the norm what gets her giddy ultimately is people being upset.

In a weird hypothetical world where evil was the norm, however, Seija would be a rogueish good guy. Amanojaku weren't created for an evil world, though.

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>>16726405
You can't just call something that follows its own nature "evil".
She's not profoundly immoral and wicked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16726456
I wouldn't call it a deep evil, but evil nonetheless.

Well really I think of her as more of an asshole, though she did have some startling ambitions at the end of ISC.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16701588
You don't "convert" to Buddhism. There's no initiation to becoming one other than agreeing with the Buddha.

[Anonymous No.]

I want to be a hermit ascetic monk in medieval Japan like in Hojoko

[Anonymous No.]

>>16726405
>In a weird hypothetical world where evil was the norm
Evil is the norm. And while we don't usually notice because of its banality, it's hard not to notice it in Gensokyo.

No matter how ultimately selfish and contrarian for the sake of it Seija might be, and how instinctive her actions are, she IS a good guy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16714830
I really like this artist and his works, but that said... death to youkai!

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>>16716454
Seija doesn't give a shit about humans, she just wants upheaval of society to disrupt the norm. And once chaos is the norm, she will work towards order. She is always going to be acting contrary to what people want or need, and what makes them happy will make her sad, so she will make people sad to make herself happy.

Seija is not intrinsically "evil", however she will always be intrinsically against the desires of people.

>>16727100
Seija isn't a "good guy" either, that's an idiotic statement. Just because you disagree with Gensokyo's set up doesn't inherently make it an evil one. And even if it is, Seija isn't working "for good", if, in theory, her plans worked and the humans were happy, she would be disgusted with them and work to make them miserable or disrupt whatever they want to do. To say she is "good" when she will always want to harm people, make them upset, make them sad, is just wrong.

Seija is just amoral and works towards her nature. She will always act contrarily to the will of people and society, no matter how it is set up. To define her as purely "good" or "evil" doesn't really work.

Beyond that fuck off to literally any other fantasy universe if you want to wank about how awesome humans are

[Anonymous No.]

>>16727168
>Beyond that fuck off to literally any other fantasy universe if you want to wank about how awesome humans are
Found the filthy Youkai

[Anonymous No.]

>>16725995
Racist much anon

[Anonymous No.]

why don't you people accept Christ's love?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16730751
He's the false prophet. For even his supposed father abandon him in his hour of need

[Anonymous No.]

Pay respect to the fallen heroes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16735241
I TRIED SO HARD

[Anonymous No.]

Will the Stripe Pattern shitposters ever stop?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16736461
I love Doremy. If I were less autistic I'd make a thread dedicated to her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16701588
I'm sort of on the fence between Agnosticism and Zen Buddhism. I was raised in a Christian household, but I had an experience as a teenager which convinced me that certain elements of eastern religions have to be real.

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>>16710566
>Humans and Youkai are equal
Not in Trump's America.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16701588

[Anonymous No.]

>>16735241
Why does this and KKHA bring me to tears right away.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16736997
Not gonna lie, I shed tears at the end of Yorihime's fight. It made me realize how much I cared about Reimu and Marisa. The music selection was great too.

[wise No.]

Tibetan Buddhism = worst
Mahayana = fairly bad (esp Pure Land & other cults)
Zen = good, a bit spotty
Theravada = nearly flawless

I'm a Theravadin and former zen monk

Buddhism is cool. they pioneered a very efficient system of living for NEETs.

>>16736721
what elements?

>>16730751
1/10

>>16726491
That's not true. Buddha is not like the Jesus of Buddhism. Laypeople take vows in a solemn ceremony, and importantly, must try to live according to the dhammavinaya (law + teachings)

For laypeople, common vows are not to kill, lie, steal, rape, or drink alcohol, optionally taking more vows on the night of the new and full moons. The number of vows monks take is often over 200, and they repeat their vows in chanting to keep them in mind.

>>16727079
While Buddhism is more ascetic than typical Western life, it's worth noting that the Middle Way that defines the teachings seeks to find a place between asceticism and hedonism.

[Anonymous No.]

>byakuren is a vegan
>byakuren is friendly with creatures that not only eat meat, but explicitly prefer to eat the most sentient creatures ie humans

Why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16701698
Does Soka count? And what is that science of happiness?

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>>16738500
That is literally the most cucked mindset one can have. That's buddhism for ya.
Also, who the FUCK are you quoting?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16737899
>what elements?
I believe that chi-gong, reiki and other forms of energy manipulation are real to an extent. Also, I began meditating on a semi-regular basis years ago, usually for an hour each day in 2-to-3 week spurts, and during those times I tend to be less autistic. There are genuine merits to these facets of eastern spirituality, and whether they're mystical in nature or entirely psychological is of little consequence to me.

>I'm a Theravadin and former zen monk
Tell me about Theravada, how is it more relevant than other forms of Buddhism?

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that Byakuren is celibate, free from desire and NOT to be sexualised. Any fantasies you might have are degenerate, non-canon and should be expunged from your mind.
>Worthless man, it would be better that your penis be stuck into the mouth of a poisonous snake than into a woman's vagina. It would be better that your penis be stuck into the mouth of a black viper than into a woman's vagina. It would be better that your penis be stuck into a pit of burning embers, blazing and glowing, than into a woman's vagina.
- Buddha

[Anonymous No.]

>>16741022
"Finally a good post about By-"
>pic

[Anonymous No.]

>>16738500
She's being tolerant.
She may wish them to change their ways but she is accepting of their differences.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16737899
>While Buddhism is more ascetic than typical Western life, it's worth noting that the Middle Way that defines the teachings seeks to find a place between asceticism and hedonism.
Hermit ascetics were a phenomena in medieval Japanese Buddhism, which are best exemplified in the short classic Hōjōki, as well as Chiteiki.

In this tradition men would take the tonsure and then withdraw from society to live in seclusion, typically in the mountains.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16731029
Ah yes, the Talmud

[Anonymous No.]

>>16738500
Because she's right

[Anonymous No.]

>>16736422
AND GOT SO FAR

[Anonymous No.]

>>16704194
Wrong

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoist_sexual_practices

http://hinduismfacts.org/sex-and-hinduism/

[Anonymous No.]

>>16741085
What's wrong with pic

[Anonymous No.]

>>16727168
but anon, in history we learn that "good" are always those who win wars.

with this in mind, Seija will always be the bad guy. she will seek ostracism and relegation, this is left for the losers.

[Anonymous No.]

Everyone should visit a buddhist temple at least once in their life, I learn something new every weekend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzCLsVVnQHY&feature=youtu.be

[Anonymous No.]

>>16736461
Never

[Anonymous No.]

>>16701588

What are the fringe benefits?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16710525
Had you remembered all those repeats, you'd want to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16701588
if you are of European descent and worship buddhism, you should kill yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>16761311
Buddha was white!

[Anonymous No.]

Nahuatl is best religion

[Anonymous No.]

>>16761311
Do you consider it ok for chinks and japs to be buddhists when it's an indian relgion?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16741136
>She's being tolerant.
So she's Swedish?

[Anonymous No.]

Obviously ya'll are missing some TAOISM in your lives. Why bother with youkai tolerance when there are more important matters such as the cycle of Samsara ?
Buddhism does nothing about it, going with the Tao has you escape it. The best choice is clear here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16762168
what is that man doing with a cashew apple?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16738500
nothing matters more to byakuren than being a race traitor

[Anonymous No.]

>>16701588
There's no Jesus in Buddhism, so I could never convert.

[Anonymous No.]

>Buddhism

[Anonymous No.]

>>16701588
sorry i'm a follower of oninism

[Anonymous No.]

>>16769596
More like onanism ｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16763564
Taoshitter please go and stay gone

[Anonymous No.]

>>16769609
that's the joke

[Anonymous No.]

>>16710566
WRONG

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>16763564
>cycle of Samsara
>Buddhism does nothing
>Tao has you escape it
You're mixing them up: Buddhism is the one that wants you to achieve Nirvana and break the cycle of Samsara. Tao does nothing in the sense that, while it gives you immortality (but Touhou non-Hourai immortality is just being strong enough to fight kishin), you're still in the material realm.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16703489
>even ever believe dante's words as a fact

[Anonymous No.]

It is Good you have sought us out. Miko is Strong with Taoism. Here is where you will take your first steps on the path to your destiny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16778261
REMOVE EARMUFF remove earmuff
you are worst hermit. you are the hermit idiot you are the hermit smell. return to china. to our chinese cousins you may come our contry. you may live in the museum….ahahahaha ,crown prince we will never forgeve you. moriya rascal FUck but fuck asshole hermit stink tao dokyo dokyo..laozi death best day of my life. take a bath of dead taoist..ahahahahahCROWN PRINCE WE WILL GET YOU!! do not forget ufo .toyosatomimi no miko we prevent your resurruction ,crown prince return to your precious mouseleum….hahahahaha idiot tao and crown prince smell so bad..wow i can smell it. REMOVE EARMUFF FROM THE PREMISES. you will get eaten. myouren+hakurei+moriya+youkai=kill taoist…you will dead/ buddha alive in gensokyo, buddha enlighten gensokyo . fast sutra buddha gensokyo. we are nirvana and bhava-agra now hahahaha ha because of buddha… you are ppoor stink tao… you live in a coffin hahahaha, you live in the ground
Siddharta Gautama Buddha alive numbr one #1 in gensokyo ….fuck the hakurei ,..FUCKk ashol tao no good i spit? in the mouth eye of ur teacher and book. buddha aliv and real strong god kill all the hermit farm aminal with sutra magic now we the myouren rule .ape of the zoo Laozi fukc the great akuma and lay egg this egg hatch and Toyosatomimi no Miko wa;s born. stupid baby form the eggn go bak to your grave we will crush u lik a skull of pig. myouren greattst temple

[Anonymous No.]

>>16738500
Because she's tolerant unlike the humans in the village

[Anonymous No.]

>>16781569
You have within you the potential to change the human village. I'm not speaking the way of Buddhism or their flawed teachings. They would have you become a puppet of Dharma. They would have you deny human emotion, of your own will. Can't you see Taoism is the only way. Three Treasures Resonates within you like a second voice, Embrace it and accept it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788061
The weak should fear the strong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16701588
Is she trying to convert me with her boobs?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16762168
Hardcore

[Anonymous No.]

>>16789005
*heartcore

[Anonymous No.]

Mongolian Buddhism is the best because it was so heavily mixed with traditional Shamanism which left them with a bunch of unenlightened gods that operated as fire and brimstone. They were also having constant arguments with Tibet that the Tibetans won but then the Mongols just ignored them

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788582
They are one of her many tools, yes

[Anonymous No.]

This is not otaku this is weeb shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>16791843
Get out

[Anonymous No.]

>>16709848

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>>16702835
Were two nukes too many, or not enough?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16795167
Not enough

[Anonymous No.]

Y'all need some Jesus in this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>16799443
Our lady Seiga forewarned of a false prophet in the west. We will not succumb to your ways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16701588
Buddhism a shit. Shinto is the master religion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16803940
Lies. Taoism is the one true religion

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>>16809137
Full sized that for you. I love Kakao's art.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16704054

Taoism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoist_sexual_practices

[Anonymous No.]

>>16714830
>>16715406

>tfw the edgelord advocates against genocide

[Anonymous No.]

seiga cared enough about taoism to end up depressed for a decade because she couldn't practice it, ending with her faking her own death and abandoning everyone she knew

how do you go from that level of obsession to being a shitbag who doesn't care about taoism at all, breaks all its teachings constantly and didn't bother to convert more than 2 people?

byakushit at least has a tracable line of continuity between the stages of her life

[Anonymous No.]

>>16816236
being true to herself makes seiga better than someone living its own lies

[Anonymous No.]

>>16788136
What are Hijiri's ten desires?

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>>16701588
A buddhist since birth, though I don't label myself into any certain school of thought, I would be closest to the Hoa Nghiêm school.

Also Byakuren is shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16772896

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>>16799443
Exactly

[Anonymous No.]

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay byakuren looks happy! >~<

[Anonymous No.]

>>16701588
>I grieve for the youkai that are oppresed by humans.

>I did everything in my power to create a peaceful world where humans and youkai could live as equals.

>And yet, I was sealed away by humans
who didn't want that sort of world.

Is she /ourgal/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16822470
No. Byakuren is one bad dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16701588
Yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>16822723
>taoist
She deserve it.

[Anonymous No.]

Buddhism is more of a philosophy than a religion, the Buddha himself never said that he's a god or a special being, he just taught people about a way to live without suffering, but some chinese monks deturped his words and created an organized religion.

Don't commit heresy anons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16822470
Byakuren was hired by humans to exterminate harmful youkai.

Yet she chose to turn her back on her kinsmen and facilitate more human deaths by aiding the youkai instead.

Even if we forgo the moral discussion, that is still a fraud. Would you serve a known fraud?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16736721
Can you share that "experience"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16822470
LOOK MA I POSTED IT AGAIN!

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>>16702109
For Westerners, and those with a Western education, this is probably true in final analysis. Japanese Buddhism (even if it's "esoteric" like Shingon), has a truckload of problems that need to be cleared away if it's ever to become something intelligible and relevant to the Japanese in daily life. Hopefully some progress will be made in the next years as we're approaching the crisis point.

>>16836929
He never said he is a god but he frequently talked about the specialness of enlightened beings of any type (perfect buddhas or arahants). The main difference of his teaching from philosophies, god-worship religions and cults is that it's a practical method designed to bring people to that same specialness (there are significant differences with other Indian religions as well but that subject is too complicated and long).
His apotheosis began in India, not China.
Buddhism is the world's first organized religion in the sense we apply to it today, as the order of monks with its laws and regulations has existed since the Buddha's time. It's true that it wasn't a complicated organization with arbitrary titles and ranks back then, however Japanese Buddhism is much much worse than Chinese Buddhism when it comes to that.
It's difficult to define what "heresy" in this case would be as Buddhist cultural practices and the like sometimes look like heresy but are really just minor. I think going against the basics like the Four Noble Truths and the practices of the Eightfold Path would be genuine heresy.

>>16738500
Because Bodhisattvas can't and mustn't exclude anyone.

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>>16837810
>Bodhisattvas can't and mustn't exclude anyone.
Youkai aren't people. They are literal anthropomorphic personifications of mental processes and natural phenomena. They are no more people than the attached picture is a crab.

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that most Buddhists' goal in life is to literally lose sense of selfhood in order to become enlightened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16837835
>Because Bodhisattvas can't and mustn't exclude anyone.
She's not a Bodhisattva though, that would require her to be anywhere close to enlightment, not that she's being a bad Buddhist for tolerating Youkai, but she 's no Bodhisattva.

>>16837835
Youkai have a consciouness, from a Buddhist perspective, that fact alone makes them people.

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>>16738500
Because Byakuren youth-maintaining magic is entirely dependent on the continued existence of youkai. At the same time, she has already been punished for betraying mankind once, so she's keeping up a benevolent facade.

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>>16837882
>Youkai have a consciouness
Have you read any of the print works at all? Do you even know why youkai are even endangered in the first? Are you an actual tertiary?

The problem with youkai is that their consciousness (or soul, or self, whatever you wish to call it) is extremely weak. It is, in fact, so weak that as little as residual human desires is capable of totally overwriting their self (this is why vengeful spirits are extremely dangerous to youkai, by the way). Ordinary animals have a stronger "self" than youkai. Only the oldest, most powerful youkai are able to self-maintain, and none of those youkai have the least bit of interest in Byakuren's bullshit.

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>>16836929
>Buddhism is more of a philosophy than a religion
You're an actual fucking idiot

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>>16837919
I know, hell, i even know enought about Buddhism to know that Byakuren's interpretation of the religion gets a lot of things wrong, but that simply doesn't change anything, regardless of the nature of Youkai or the fact that they're literally endangered, Buddhist doctrines are still such that excluding them is considered wrong. The fact that Byakuren offers guidance to Youkai who come to her shrine is one of the few cases where she does something a buddhist would do.

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I like how everyone conveniently forgets that the two youkai Byakuren rejected openly said they were looking for humans to eat/corpses to steal.

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>>16837958
>guidance
Did you mean: a place to harass humans and do whatever else they wish with no fear of reprisal? Because in Symposium, Marisa reveals that is exactly what happens.

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>>16837979
I don't wanna go on a tangent here, so i'll just say you're right, i probably should have just said "gives shelter" instead of "offers guidance", but still, my point still stands that not rejecting (Most of the) Youkai is one of the few things Byakuren does that is actually what a Buddhist would actually do.

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>>16838010
Whatever happened to selflessness and giving up one's desires?

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>>16838015
Again, for the last time, Byakuren is pretty awful at being an actual Buddhist, but accepting most of the Youkai who come to her temple is one of the few things she does that is actually Buddhist-like.

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>>16822723
I really hate the HM-inspired loli Futo.

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>>16838023
One quickly learns, that the Buddhist Code does not have all the answers. If you wish to understand all aspects of life, then you will need the contrast, not adherence to a single ideal

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>>16838481
Yeah, but not rejecting Youkai is definetly not unlike Buddhism.

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>>16837961
>Byakuren Hijiri mentions that Yamame came to the surface at one point to try and enter the Myouren Temple, but the monk denied her entrance as Yamame's reasons were essentially because she thinks the worried people that come to the temple look delicious.

Is Hijiri /ourgal/?

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>>16738500
Because Byakuren is a dumb bimbo who doesn't understand how Gensokyo works. She's a vile sorceress who's continued existence is a threat to the very land she lives in. It is necessary for humans to live in fear of youkai, otherwise they would cease to exist. Reimu should just exterminate the air headed hippy already.

Taoists are better

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>>16838177
loli futo is objectively the best you complete fool

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>>16837835
Buddhism has 6 classes beings including humans, and there are beings who are even more abstract than "personifications of mental processes and natural phenomena". It doesn't matter. Youkai are sentient and they exist, so they're all subject to dukkha.

>>16837882
There's a difference between mythical bodhisattvas and actual bodhisattvas. The actual ones are simply people who have taken the Bodhisattva Vow, or even, in fact (in the light of the oldest Mahayana sutras) people who aim at enlightenment while benefiting others instead of caring only about themselves.

>>16837919
>The problem with youkai is that their consciousness (or soul, or self, whatever you wish to call it) is extremely weak.
Buddhism denies the existence of a soul or self, and consciousness is a series of processes that begin and end. Furthermore, attachment to existence can be much more subtle than simply positing a self or having a sense of self. Again, there are beings described in Buddhist canons that are even more abstract and subtle than the way youkai are described in Touhou. What you wrote has 0 bearing whatsoever on Buddhism or what Byakuren is doing.
The bottom line is that youkai exist and sometimes perform harmful actions. They are subject to dukkha. That's all you need.
Also, a Japanese fictional work concerning Buddhist metaphysics will inevitably bear the imprint of Japanese Buddhist metaphysics, and the Japanese got a LOT of things wrong, and have no idea about it. It's possible that ZUN knows better but deliberately left the confusion and ignorance in to reflect Japanese society's attitude.

>>16837979
>>16838015
>>16838023
>no fear of reprisal
The only reprisal youkai in Gensokyo fear is Reimu and some of the others, and nothing has been implied about Reimu wanting to bust the youkai living in Myouren temple and being unable to do so. No mischief was stated aside from the usual suspects like Shou, Nazrin and others either IIRC.
>selflessness and giving up desires
Both are actually late-level objectives, but the average guy on the street thinks that Buddhism begins with those and then proceeds to wrestle with nonexistent problems forever. Byakuren isn't a model Buddhist (there are only a few examples about this and not a ton, and they mostly concern pride and aggression) but there aren't any actual grounds to claim that she's an awful one.

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>>16840537
did he died?

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>>16726491
this

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>>16842193
>The only reprisal youkai in Gensokyo fear is Reimu and some of the others
>No mischief was stated aside from the usual suspects like Shou, Nazrin and others either
It's 2017 and Byakushit enablers still haven't read the print works or played the decimal games. Neat.

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Buddhism is a mind virus that tries to convert lazy people to anti-intellectualism. Its concept of "enlightenment" is nothing more than striving to weaken one's mind until only the most superficial kind of consciousness remains. I think it's probably even worse than suicide.
It's pretty easy to get into it because it mostly doesn't make any sense, you just have to "contemplate" supposed paradoxes, which are in fact simple puns.

If I remember correctly
Byakuren said that Koishi was close to enlightenment.
So basically enlightenment is emptiness.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satori#Satori_and_kensh.C5.8D

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>>16844194
It's certainly suicide for youkai, who already have a weak spiritual presence.

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>>16844209
>Did you come here for answers? There are none. The call of Gensokyo is strong, but it is the call of the dead. It is fitting you came here.

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>>16842392
Yes. Was eaten

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>>16840537
Based Yamams trolling the shitty Buddhist.

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>>16842392
Deader than Elvis.

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Are Byakuren haters the new Mamizou/Sumireko haters? Everywhere you go, you find them expressing out of the blue how much they hate her, no matter how hard you try to reason with them, and then resorting to "B-Byakuren fans are the ones playing victim!"
Just like Miko (who, aside from her obsession with everything Byakuren says, is alright) in her SoPM dialogues, even if you try to explain them why they are wrong about certain aspects, they will parrot the usual "clever" comment that ignores everything that has been said. I've seen too many discussions going in circles.

Not to mention the conspiracy anons who think ZUN set up a manipulating mastermind who acts benevolent but, secretly, vehemently hates everyone outside of Myourenji, which is on the same level as "ZUN makes random shipping bait and he will put Mamizou and Sumireko in every work until you like them". I.e., fanfiction-tier speculation.

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>>16846336
Shut up Mamizou

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>>16846336
Miko gets up Byakuren's grill because Miko has had actual, hands-on experience with Buddhism, while Byakuren only pretends to abide by whatever scraps she learned of it while being sealed in Makai. Miko recognises this, and takes an issue.

Byakuren hate stems not so much from anything game-related, but from how much people have latched on to the "youkai Jesus" meme, rather than appreciating Byakuren for what she really is - a misguided, selfish pretender with an ingenious outward public persona. I mean, Byakuren's underlings caused a major incident complete with opening up a slipgate to Hokkai, Byakuren herself actively and consciously endangered Gensokyo during the ULiL incident for no reason but glory hogging, continues to abuse the naivete of the human villagers, and yet manages to escape retribution by carefully grooming and reinforcing her benevolent public mask. This has to count for something.

If you ask me, it's really a pity Byakuren fans seem to have reduced her to a meme, because the actual Byakuren is an interesting (if designed to be irredeemable from the ground up) character otherwise.

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>>16845915

i'd hope so, elvis ain't dead

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>>16846336
Not to say they're any better, but there are actual reasons to dislike Byakuren.

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>>16846447
As a giant Mikofag, i wouldn't say Byakuren is irredemable or evil as much as i'd say she's too prideful, close-minded and stubborn, she is someone who wants to be on the high horse compared to everyone else, she comes off as the kind of person who always has Holier Than Thou thoughts running through her head, Miko is also prideful, but the difference between her and Byakuren is that she is far more direct about it and unlike Byakuren, Miko is far less close-minded towards people she respects.
Regardless of who you prefer, it's not hard to see that the way Miko and Byakuren contrasts and their roles as foils as what is easily the most interesting part of both characters, hell, i myself like both characters greatly. (I just like Miko far more)

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>>16822723
pimp slap

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>>16846447
Byakuren knows Buddhism from her brother, well before her sealing in Makai. Miko, who did practice Buddhism in the past, now barely knows it, only remembering basic and vague concepts.

Nobody is pushing for memes of any sort here, it's you who are giving an interpretation of her character which holds only if you think her ENTIRE CHARACTER is a charade, when there's no reason to think so. She did screw up in her life, but that was a long time ago, it would be like accusing Mokou of being a murderer. She also openly admits she's a novice.
The "major incident" (which isn't caused by Byakuren herself) was just a ship flying in the sky, every other Windows incident was "more threatening" than this.
Byakuren thought the Occult Balls were bad omen, so she wanted to seal them away so that no one would use urban legends for evil purposes. I don't see any manipulation of villagers.

I'll repeat it: these assumptions only work if you think, for some reason, think Byakuren's entire character is a facade. Sure, you can justify everything you want with this, but it's as baseless as coma theories.
>>16846717
You could also find "reasons" to dislike Reimu, but you don't see people abruptly complaining about Reimu when she's mentioned.

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>>16848252
I know some fans don't like the decimal games or the print works, but please, if you're going to defend a character who plays a somewhat large lore in those and receives a better half of their development there, do play those games and read those print works first.

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>>16848252
>Byakuren knows Buddhism from her brother, well before her sealing in Makai. Miko, who did practice Buddhism in the past, now barely knows it
So what you're telling me is, Byakuren practiced a second-hand version of Buddhism 1000 years ago, and is therefore more versed in Buddhism than Miko, who was essentially the greatest promoter of Buddhism 1000 years ago?

I don't get it.

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>>16848298
Ebin meme my friend, if you have something meaningful to say, say it directly.
>>16848309
"I" am not telling you anything. Miko was the one who couldn't remember all the teachings, while Byakuren did. This happens in SoPM, the print work the anon above, with his "funny" reply, claims I haven't read.
Also, historical Shotoku=/=Touhou Shotoku. Miko admits she practiced Buddhism only publicly, which is different from, you know, the actual Buddhist Shotoku.

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>>16848345
>Ebin meme

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>>16848373
This is the only answer a shitpost deserves.

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>>16848345
Which is why Miko understands Buddhist teachings better than Byakuren - or at least well enough to recognise how Byakuren and her followers blatantly ignore them. Makes sense.
>Miko admits she practiced Buddhism only publicly, which is different from, you know, the actual Buddhist Shotoku.
Right, because historical Shotoku wasn't a public supporter of Buddhism. Nigger, I don't even know who you're trying to argue for anymore.

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>>16848452
>Which is why Miko understands Buddhist teachings better than Byakuren
By forgetting them? I don't know what your mnemonic techniques are, but that doesn't seem like a good way to become well-versed in a subject. Also:
>only publicly
Words are there for a reason. The keyword here is only. Prince Shotoku was an actual Buddhist. Touhou Shotoku was secretly a Taoist.

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>>16848499
>Touhou Shotoku was secretly a Taoist.
Ahh, I get you. Secretly learning Taoism completely disables one from publicly practising Buddhism and promoting it among the populace for political reasons. Why, I must have forgotten being dedicated to one religion personally erases all knowledge of other religions from one's mind, even if one's backstory revolves intimately around those religions. Mhm.

It's a good thing Futo and Tojiko don't exist, too, because their presence would have totally contradicted those absolute truths you've been dropping in this thread.

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>>16848530
>publicly practising Buddhism and promoting it among the populace for political reasons
This is what I just said she did, so it would be nice if you actually read what I'm writing instead of throwing your assumptions. However, you're mixing this with another plane, the one of
>all knowledge of other religions from one's mind
I'd say someone (historical Shotoku) who was a fervent Buddhist until his death is more knowledgeable than someone (Touhou Shotoku) who used to practice Buddhism then switched to Taoism and, from that moment, only promoted Buddhism as a political tool, not caring about the actual upholding of the rules (when Miko mocks Byakuren who doesn't drink when all the monks she knew in her day reeked of booze), bar the "no killing" part.
And even if you want to count the historical background and all that stuff, she might have been a great scholar when she was the Crown Prince, sure, but what about now? She isn't anymore. When you don't care about something, its memories will fade more easily. As of now, Byakuren is the one who is well versed in Buddhism and Miko is the one who only retains blurry notions, as demonstrated by their discussions.

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I like Byakuren because Miko posters annoy me, all they do is complain about Byakuren

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>>16701588
oh look, it's another lorefag discussion of miko and byakuren

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>>16848634
Speaking as a Miko fan who doesn't even shittalk Byakren but who has definetly felt annoyed at her, i can tell you the reason: Because it's annoying, it's annoying to like a character, have them be one of your favorite characters in the series, and then see that whenever she is ever brought up by the fanbase, be it in discussion or fanworks, it's usually to make Byakuren look better, and how there are tons of people who think of your favorite character as "the bad guy", and mostly how nobody actually bothers to actually look at either two characters bellow the surface level.
The whole thing with shitting on Byakuren is fairly recent (Probably because of ULIL), for most of both characters' existence, it was pretty much consensus for most of the fans that "Byakuren=Good, Miko=Bad", and while i can definetly see how the whole Byakuren shittalking has gotten fairly out of hand, i can't help but feel a little satisfied, as shallow as that may be.

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>>16701588
>Have you converted to Buddhism already?
Almost. I have to Travel to Myanmar and help my Theravada brothers.

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>>16844045
I did though. That's what I remember. Give proof to the contrary or don't say anything.

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>>16850716
Forbidden Scrollery. No spoilers, because it was a somewhat recent development/political reveal.

Symposium of Post Mysticism, Marisa's commentary on the Myouren temple.

BTW, Nazrin doesn't even live anywhere near Myourenji, so she is in no way a "usual suspect." The more you know.

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>>16844194
Satori is not enlightenment, it's mistranslated as it. The word describes a momentary experience of enlightenment at best, and takes various forms. Zen makes no sense to you because you fall for the memes of Zen practicing Westerners, and you know nothing substantial about Buddhism or Zen aside from 2 articles you've read on Wikipedia.
The only form of Buddhism that is easy to get info and is anti-intellectual is Amidism. Don't confuse the cultural anti-intellectual traits of the Japanese with what Buddhism actually is.

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>>16850734
Does that development post date fortune teller? You obviously know how to use spoiler tags so go ahead (that's what they're intended for), as I haven't caught up to the manga if it's something too recent.
Marisa's comments, IIRC, were about scary looking youkai loitering around the temple and Shou and Ichirin (maybe others too) misbehaving. It doesn't matter where Nazrin lives btw.

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>>16835957
source pls

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>>16849463
>Theravada brothers.
They're elitist scum. http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/buddhism/subdivisions/mahayana.shtml will liberalise you with freedoms.

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>>16709785
I'm chink though. Fuck off gaijins.

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>>16702109
Curry buddhism is the OG and beast.

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>>16851027
>Mahayana buddhism
No thank You. I don't want to turn out like Byakuren Hijiri.

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>>16701588
No, I am not edgy kid

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As someone who likes both characters it's amazing to see Mikofags shiting on Byakuren in almost every religion thread. You guys need to chill.

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Religions are silly

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>>16851260
I mean, if it's a Touhou thread that discusses religion, that's just natural.
The idea of religions is something that is deeply ingrained in both characters, and the way said religions affect each character are often presented in a way that makes them contrasts with each other, so it's only natural that a 2hu thread that talks about Buddhism devolves into Miko vs. Byakuren autism. Also, as >>16848698 said, for most of both's characters' existence, it was far more common for the reverse to happen, and it's only changed recently.

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>>16852305
It's changed recently because Miko became more awesome, while Byakuren has been sinking deeper and deeper into depravity.

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>>16852305
I wrote Miko against Byakuren. Not Miko vs. Byakuren.

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>>16852789
Well, in canon it's fair more common for Miko to at least try to address criticisms other characters give to her, while Byakuren's way of adressing criticism is to basically cover her ears and scream about how she can't hear you.
The biggest example i can give of this is in ULIL, in Byakuren's scenario, she tried to seal the occult orbs and Miko told her not to, turned out it didn't work, but then, in Miko's scenario, which takes place after Byakuren's, Byakuren is trying to seal the orbs again despite knowing it won't work simply because admitting she refuses to admit she was wrong.

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>>16852827
>fair more common
>because admitting she refuses to admit
Shit i made a lot of typos

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>>16852827
Miko also dicovered the Occult Balls don't work inside her Senkai, and can be safely stored/examined there. In Byakuren's scenario, Byakuren refuses to hand the Balls over to Miko's safekeeping because "No, you're not trustworthy!"

Which I thought was rich, considering.

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>>16848698
Not him, but I've never seen these fanworks where Miko is presented as a villain (I guess Soga no Tojiko will not talk kinda counts, but there's no Byakuren), quite the opposite: usually, Byakuren is portrayed as the boring and abstract kind of teacher, while Miko is the totally cool and hip person you'd want to be friends with.
>>16852827
>>16852934
Except Miko doesn't have to answer to much criticism, since Byakuren doesn't have this unhealth obsession with what she does in her spare time, which Miko has regarding Byakuren instead. Normally, when in SoPM "criticism" occurs, it's Miko who feels she needs to comment on Byakuren activities. When Byakuren "covers her ears", usually she's already given the answer (like in the discussion about Yamame or Byakuren's unruly disciples), but Miko will act as if she hasn't said anything and repeat the same question. She also has the tendency of thinking "Byakuren's disciples=Byakuren", when the latter doesn't lump Miko with the other Taoists.

About the Occult Balls, in Byakuren's scenario, Miko didn't even want to disclose her goals, as "it matters not". Might as well hold up a sign with "Suspicious person" written on it. In Miko's, while she certainly gives some insights about what she'll do in particular, think about Byakuren is supposed to think (not the player, who knows ZUN isn't going to have Miko turn into a villain): this person who's always been hostile to you asks you to give her these powerful artifacts that she'll keep at her place so she can study them, when you want to seal them completely. Sure you're going to be a bit wary. While I have to say that, in the latter scenario, both parties had their reasons to distrust each other, in the first one Byakuren's concerns were justified.
The actually hilarious thing is Miko, a former politician who should be a master of words, resorting to "just do it lol" in Byakuren's scenario. You'd think she, of all people, would find better ways to earn somebody's trust.

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>>16854256
You kinda forgot to explain this part:
>but then, in Miko's scenario, which takes place after Byakuren's, Byakuren is trying to seal the orbs again despite knowing it won't work simply because she refuses to admit she was wrong.

Also, if you seriously think Byakuren actually adressed the criticism she receives in SOPM not just from Miko, but from Marisa and Kanako, then you and i have very different ideas of what "adressing criticism" means.

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>>16854256
When i say "fanworks", i don't mean "doujins with a serious tone" (I mean, there aren'rt even that many serious doujins focusing on Miko to begin with) mean any kind of fanwork, there is a lot of comedic fanworks where the punchline is basically that Byakuren is awesome and Miko is a loser, and considering the fact that Miko/Byakuren is the most common pair involving Miko in interaction-focused fanworks and such, it's easy to see why i and so many other fans of Miko got sick of that joke very quickly.
And the consensus that Miko is the bad guy of the two WAS common, it was just rarely brought up outside of character discussions because as i said before, serious stuff focusing on Miko rarely appears.

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I dunno if its autism from watching anime or what but I've found the buddhist idea of finding the good and bad in everything to be a pretty good concept, I mean it kinda appears in my work through chemical and thermodynamic equilbrium.

What are some serious weblinks into buddhism, Indian or Japanese?

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>>16854256
>Except Miko doesn't have to answer to much criticism,
Because not much criticism is levelled her way. Miko's only serious blunder was putting forward her candidacy to the Human Village's leader position in SoPM - which not only she did out of ignorance (as in, not having been informed how things in Gensokyo worked), but also gracefully rescinded once the situation was explained to her by the others.

What is more, Miko has established her own, somewhat popular, sanctuary, where humans are openly welcome (which is already better than Byakuren's place, even though Miko has been at it shorter). In fact, the only complaint that has ever been voiced about Miko's management is that she holds her disciples to an extremely high standard.

Say what you want about Taoism, Miko's superiority complex, obsession with Byakuren, silly ears, or whatever else you wish to hold against her. Compared to Byakuren, Miko is an excellent, almost impeccable public figure and politician.

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>>16854256
>The actually hilarious thing is Miko, a former politician who should be a master of words, resorting to "just do it lol" in Byakuren's scenario.
It's Byakuren. Miko knows her and has known her. Miko also knows Byakuren is perhaps the only person harder to negotiate with than Reimu in job mode in the entire Gensokyo. "Just do it" may have been in fact the better and shorter way to deal with Byakuren, seeing as the transfer of Occult Balls requires their owners to fight either way.

I mean, it's fucking Byakuren.

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>>16854494
>Compared to Byakuren, Miko is an excellent, almost impeccable public figure and politician.
It's because of Byakuren Practices Mahayana Buddhism. If she had studied Theravada Buddhism -the true Buddhism- she wouldn't have had those problems.

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>>16854522
>It's because of Byakuren Practices Mahayana Buddhism. If she had studied Theravada Buddhism -the true Buddhism- she wouldn't have had those problems.
If Byakuren had studied Buddhism for spiritual fulfillment period then she wouldn't have those problems, but she didn't; she studied in order to suppress her own mortality and obtain power to protect it. Now, it's less of this that's an issue than it is that her ideology is somewhat at odds with who her disciples are, and is misguided as such.

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>>16854411
Precisely due to their comedic nature, I don't think much weight should be given to them: it would be like taking the "What are Sanae's ten desires" threads seriously. Also, I don't think the artists necessary bore ill will against Miko: I find it mostly a joke about Byakuren's superhuman prowess.
>>16854812
Can we stop with this? Again: she's always known Buddhism thanks to Myouren, the fuckup she did was using "black" (which just seems to be "youkai" given the context and the wording of her UFO bio) magic. This contradicts the mention of actually Buddhist magic by Akyuu, but her UFO bio is certainly more reliable than her SoPM section.
>>16854514
Then the entire topic is a moot point, as Byakuren will always be "forced" by ZUN to fight from both a gameplay reason (we need a final boss battle) and a plot reason. It's like complaning about Youki/Yukari not telling Youmu about Saigyou Ayakashi's secret: in that case, we wouldn't have had PCB.
>>16854342
How are you so sure that Miko's scenario is a continuation of Byakuren's scenario? And even if you want to say so, while in Byakuren's scenario she just tries to seal the Balls "manually", in Miko's scenario she's suggesting another, possibly more effective way: "using the occult to punish the occult", so I really doubt it would have been just another attempt at the same statue plan.

The complaints are: Miko's sealing (it was due to Nazrin's advice and the fact that her resurrection seemed like a dangerous event), Byakuren's abstinence (she replies that she's won't yield to alchool like other monks and asks the others to stop picking on her. Not to mention that she never forced anyone else there to follow her conduct), the Six Virtues (not only this concerns Byakuren's DISCIPLES, instead of her, but she also asks Marisa to forgive them. Instead, she just parrots the usual complain. Also, Marisa's Everyone does Forbearance and Diligence" is just false), Yamame's rejection (Byakuren reveals she was there only to eat human followers. Even if you want to reason with a terrorist and convert him to non-violence, the first thing you do is moving him away from the sensible spot, as you should prioritize the safety of the lives of the civilians), Shou's presence (she isn't just a "house sitter", she's an avatar of Bishamonten) and Kyouko's activies (Byakuren says she'll take measures) and the inseparability of desire from the human character (this is just a clash between two sets of values). Here, all explained through Byakuren's own replies.
>>16854494
What about the compatibility between her goal of becoming a Celestial and her opinion on human desires? Because if she truly aims for celestialhood, she'll know that, unless you're inheriting it like Tenshi, you're required to suppress all of your material desires. And what about her gleeful stance towards Futo's pyromania? Byakuren has terrible disciples as well, but at least she's in the dark when they carry out their misdemeanors and, when she learns about it, she expresses her disapproval. Also, Miko includes Kogasa in her argument to attack Byakuren, but Kogasa is unaffiliated with Myouren Temple.

Byakuren accepts humans in her temple as well, that's exactly why she rejected Yamame for the moment. Akyuu going back forth between "She hates humans" and "She's not hostile towards humans", combined with her concerns about human safety and potentially dangerous youkai, shows she has no idea what she's talking about and that she's just giving biased speculation. It's just that many Buddhist services in her temple are tailored for youkai, because they need a specific treatment they couldn't find anywhere else. Unless you want to push for the idea "more popular=better".

I don't have anything "against" Miko or Taoism: I even prefer non-Miko Taoists over non-Byakuren Buddhists and find Miko a well developed character, whose game deserves more popularity. Just like Byakuren (the only time she takes the initiative for criticism is about Seiga, which was perfectly justified, and when Miko explains she's distancing herself, she understands and doesn't mention Miko anymore in her fears of her), I just don't care about what Miko does or doesn't in her spare time, because it's her world (metaphorically speaking, not Senkai). Byakuren isn't an impeccable politician because this simply isn't her path: she's a monk in ascetic training and Miko is only a stranger she has no reason to investigate about. I just find her petty ad hominem insults obnoxious and her almost tsundere urge to comment about everything Byakuren does that of an overly clingy girlfriend. And most importantly, the "BYAKUSHIT IS EVIL AND RACIST AND SECRETLY HATES YOU" conspiracies only shitposting.

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>>16855752
>Can we stop with this? Again: she's always known Buddhism thanks to Myouren, the fuckup she did was using "black" (which just seems to be "youkai" given the context and the wording of her UFO bio) magic. This contradicts the mention of actually Buddhist magic by Akyuu, but her UFO bio is certainly more reliable than her SoPM section.
That wasn't the point though. The point is that it was her convictions and value of self-preservation that led her down that path, not what exact arts she did or didn't practice. Given the nature of Buddhism, obviously what she chose to do was pretty much the opposite of what she was taught and what Myouren practiced.

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>>16856125
Of course, she did stray from the her path. Byakuren herself admits it in SoPM:
>Incidentally, I am not interested in immortality. Well, to be honest, I used to be. But after having been touched by my disciples' hearts, now I only train with an altruistic(*11) spirit.
[Where the asterisk is Akyuu's comment, because God forbid that people act altruistic] But a past mistake doesn't invalidate your whole life and Byakuren has shown that she's willing to take oppressed youkai under her care and lead them to a higher stage through the teachings of Buddhism. To quote someone who certainly wasn't Buddhist: "Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall".

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>>16856199
>Byakuren has shown that she's willing to take oppressed youkai under her care and lead them to a higher stage through the teachings of Buddhism.
Well, she sure seems to have zero interest in helping the Youkai of Gensokyo who actually are opressed, even though she herself admits that said Youkai could probably reform their violent ways if you approached them with an open mind.
Also, Byakuren's way of dealing with the whole "Youkai need to oppose humans to exist" is to literally try to make the Youkai reach Enlightenment, she seriously think that the Youkai in her temple can achieve something that takes dozens reincarnations for most humans and fade away before that ever happens, and not only that, but she doesn't even seem to realize the fact that cutting off all ties you have to the material world FOR the sake of maintaning your existence in the material world is self-contradictory and ridiculous.

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>>16856229
To believe in an ideal, is to be willing to betray it. It is something no Mahayana or Theravada Buddhist has ever truly learned.

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Exterminate.

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>>16856229
Except that she does, as proven by Kyouko, who had lost her reason to exist, being accepted in the Temple. And even before Gensokyo, she did help the youkai who would eventually become the Palanquin crew, like Ichirin and Unzan, who had led a tempestous life. From her UFO bio:
>In the beginning, it was born from her own greed, but as she learned of the difficult past the youkai had borne, she began to think she needed to do something to help them.

Not my fault if Buddhist trascendence of the physical wordliness works that way. Does it work in reality? Probably not. Does it work in Touhou? Yes, just like every other myth/religion.

>In the Buddhist world, even death does not cause humans to disappear. I teach that way of thinking to youkai, so that even if they are forgotten they can become beings that preserve their own existence.
>Buddhism is a philosophy that makes you reaffirm your existence by denying it once. Don't you think that the youkai, who are strong physically yet weak spiritually, are the perfect match to learn this philosophy? It's most unfortunate if you cannot understand the bright future for both humans and youkai that this would result in.

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>>16856341
Except most of Gensokyo's Youkai aren't opressed, the ones in Former Hell are, and Byakuren even says that you could make them change their violent ways, using Yamame as an example, Marisa then asks Byakuren why she herself doesn't do this, and Byakuren's response is literally to chuckle it off.
And again, Byakuren proposes the idea of Enlightened Youkai as a way of preserving the Youkai's existence, it's her way of adressing the fact that Youkai will disappear if they stop opposing humans, and again, cutting off your ties to the material world with the goal of self-preservation is self-contradictory, her plan of Enlightened Youkai is worthy of mockery and nothing more.

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>>16856403
Oppression isn't just being under someone's rule. It can also be distress about one's life, as proven by many of her members who are ordained.
As I said before, Byakuren DOES answer in another passage. Yamame's situation was one of urgency: she had come in with malicious intents, so Byakuren, for the time, had to reject her, to ensure the safety of the frail humans, which shows she isn't some kind of enemy of humankind. I already answered it here >>16855752 . Not to mention the fact that Byakuren's hypothetical scenario was one where YOU're approaching Yamame, who isn't doing anything, so you can talk to her and whatnot. The scenario before Byakuren's eyes at the Temple was one of a potential aggression against devouts, so she had to step in.

>cutting off your ties to the material world with the goal of self-preservation is self-contradictory
This is not a criticism about Byakuren, this is about Buddhism, as you could also say this is illogical for humans. Point is, this is Touhou, this is a series where immortality elixirs, hermit techniques and Enlightenment DO exist and work. If you think this is stupid in the real world, go for it. But we are analyzing a fictional setting where these narrative elements aren't variables, they're real.

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>>16856490
I think it had more to do with Yamame coming from the Underground, which is repeatedly described as a "lawless district" by those inhabiting Gensokyo. Yamame has also been described as one of the nicest, most reasonable youkai on the whole, let alone in the Underground - even by Akyuu, who makes it a point to describe all youkai in as much dangerous light as she can.

However, coming from the Underground, Byakuren would have no "legal" way of controlling Yamame as she does the surface-dwelling youkai, and that was probably what ultimately made her turn her away. Though Byakuren also regularly allows other youkai to harass and endanger humans visiting the temple grounds anyway, so make of that what you will.

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>>16856490
Im not reffering to the moment where Byakuren mentions not allowing Yamame into the temple, i am reffering to the moment where Marisa criticizes the underground Youkai, but then Byakuren states that Marisa could very well just try go to Former Hell, and with the right attitude, befriend Yamame and help her become less violent, then Marisa asks Byakuren why she herself doesn't bother doing this, likely because Byakuren claims she wants to help opressed Youkai, and as i stated before, Byakuren answers with a chuckle, if she had at least just said something along the lines of "I wish i could, but i musn't interfere in others' lives" i would be able to understand it, but the fact she just chuckles shows that she's not as willing to help the hated and despised Youkai as she would have you believe.

>This is not a criticism about Byakuren, this is about Buddhism
How? I mean, let's look at some facts:

1. Most of the Youkai need to live in opposition to humans to at the very least survive, if they stop doing so, they disappear forever, and there's also nothing that implies that disappearing is the same thing as dying, so it's possible disappearing might not even lead to reincarnation.

This is something Byakuren understands and knows about, now let's look at some other facts:

1. Enlightenment is a long process that is said by the Buddhist religion to take dozens of Reincarnations to achieve.
2. One of the most important steps to achieving Enlightenment is to stop attacing yourself to the material world.

Byakuren also knows about these facts, yet she fails to realize how they make her plan pretty much impossible, she plans to help the Youkai from disappearing by making them reach Enlightenment, yet she fails to realize how contradictory that is, calling out how stupid Byakuren's plan is is a criticism of Byakuren, not one of Buddhism.

>Point is, this is Touhou, this is a series where immortality elixirs, hermit techniques and Enlightenment DO exist and work. If you think this is stupid in the real world, go for it. But we are analyzing a fictional setting where these narrative elements aren't variables, they're real.
How is this relevant? I already know that.

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I think we can all agree this cutie did nothing wrong.

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>>16856567
But Koishi (who is the definition of an oppressed life) comes from the Underground too and Byakuren instantly wanted to establish a relationship with her.
Akyuu lists Yamame's friendship towards humans as "Very low", but she also writes that humans "who returned safely" say she can be reasoned with. However, this also means that there are humans who didn't return safely (for a reason or another, it can be Yamame, it can be something else) and, in her SA bio, it's said that she has a "combative personality" and has no qualms about attacking humans. She's even happy at the idea of "punishing a human with diseases" in her MarisaC dialogue. These traits, certainly more evident than an eventual rationality, combined with her unsettling comment, prompted Byakuren to prioritize the safety of the humans inside the Temple. This through peaceful means, without any need of extermination someone else would have preferred.
>>16856722
So just because Byakuren didn't help that one youkai who acted threatening her entire work is a fraud? What kind of reasoning is that? So, if I complete 9 tasks out of 10, should I be given a 3/10 mark instead of, you know, a 9/10 one?

About Enlightenment, assuming it works the same way for Touhou youkai (which I doubt Siddharta knew), where is it stated that it takes "dozens of reincarnations"?

Byakuren says that youkai can become, in addition to Buddhas, gods and we do know the line between gods and youkai can be blurry. Kanako does say youkai can't change their nature by creating new myths themselves, but how can you be so sure that the external help of Buddhist teachings can't help their existence "so that even if they are forgotten they can become beings that preserve their own existence"?
Kanako finds her idea "ominous" and Miko "nonsense", since she only finds Buddhism a political tool that solely benefits those in charge (and she categorically finds youkai "a detestable, evil power"), but, if there truly were an issue with the actual FEASIBILITY undermining the spontaneousness of Byakuren's assertion "Just as humans can become hermits and celestials, youkai can become gods and Buddhas.", wouldn't that be the FIRST thing they'd raise as objection?
>>16856740
Many SA Lunatic players have something to say about her opener.

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>>16857097
Im not saying Byakuren is a fraud, the point here is that Byakuren not even considering the idea of helping the Youkai of Former Hell shows that she's not AS willing to help the persecuted Youkai as one would believe.

>where is it stated that it takes "dozens of reincarnations"?
Outside of the first Buddha, there's not a single person who has achieved Enlightenment who was said to have achieved it in their very first life, so while it's not directly stated, it's very much implied that Enlightenment takes a lot of lifetimes.

>wouldn't that be the FIRST thing they'd raise as objection?
Miko never practiced Buddhism seriously, she wouldn't know enough about it to know how Enlightenment works, and i doubt Kanako would either. I mean, you yourself used this argument didn't you?

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>>16857261
One swallow doesn't make a summer: even if she, for some reason, didn't go looking for Yamame, she tried to help Koishi, who is another Underground youkai.

Can't find much information on the very first Buddha (unless you're talking about the historical Siddharta Gautama?), but I guess they could always start with their path for becoming bodhisattva. Also, if it's possible, they could always succeed. Whether Byakuren's current disciples are virtuous monks or lazy fucks (as of now, the latter) is another question and doesn't invalidate the goal.

The irony is that an anon above had the opposite opinion, that Miko should be more knowledgeable about Buddhism, but this doesn't matter, as I'm not talking about the final stage of Nirvana. I'm talking about the very basics of this ascetic program: if there was a hole this big and evident about the feasibility of youkai sustaining themselves through Buddhism, it would stand out to everyone in the Symposium. Miko (or anyone else) would just use this card as soon as possible.

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>>16858156
>she tried to help Koishi, who is another Underground youkai.
No, she requested Koishi to become a laywoman, mostly because she was interested by Koishi's nature as a Satori with a sealed Third Eye.

>Also, if it's possible, they could always succeed. Whether Byakuren's current disciples are virtuous monks or lazy fucks (as of now, the latter) is another question and doesn't invalidate the goal.
I very much doubt most Youkai, specially the weaker ones, have the spiritual strength to actually maintain their existence to the point of reaching a state most monks fail to achieve after a lifetime of training.

>it would stand out to everyone in the Symposium. Miko (or anyone else) would just use this card as soon as possible.
Miko only practiced Buddhism publicly, the only known opinion of Buddhism from her that we know is that she thinks it's a religion that teaches you to just accept all suffering in your life as a trial, making you subservient and passive, i very much doubt she knows enough about Enlightenment to know about the flaws in Byakuren's plan, specially considering she didn't even know it was possible for Youkai, and any species in general, to change their physical nature at all.

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>>16856740
Eating a Human is wrong

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>>16858245
Koishi gets new friends and a place where she's welcome (unlike the non-Chireiden Underworld) and Byakuren gets close to someone she's interested in. Win-win situation.

Precisely because of their weak spiritual strength they would benefit from Buddhist training. Byakuren herself highlights this point. >>16856341

As I said, this doesn't concern the destination of Enlightenment of the "religious" journey, which would require specific knowledge of Buddhism topics, this is about the very subsistence of youkai, which could be answered by someone like Kanako.
Aside from the fact that ZUN will probably never address the question, the lack of any easy and obvious objection on this specific matter by the parties, even if it's mentioned in more than one occasion, and Byakuren's wording, which associates the transformation of youkai in gods and Buddhas with another one we're certain of (as we DO know about the Human->Hermit->Celestial evolution), instead of leaving it to the realm of possibility with a formulation of the likes of "Why can't youkai do something similar?",
>Just as humans can become hermits and celestials, youkai can become gods and Buddhas.
makes it, to me, impossible to raise a concrete judgment of infeasibility regarding the teaching of Buddhism to youkai.

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>>16860667
Byakuren isn't trying to help Koishi, that's the point of saying, i don't even mean that in a bad way, she was interested in Koishi's mind, so she asked for her to be a laywoman, nothing about it implies she did it in an attempt to help her, and that's fine, again, i don't mean it in a bad way.

>Precisely because of their weak spiritual strength they would benefit from Buddhist training.
Or they would most likely disappear, remember, the Yamabiko, a type of Youkai that was very populous, were driven to a point of almost extinction "recently", simply because they were unable to fulfill their roles due to the humans of Gensokyo gaining more knowledge, so im pretty sure most of the Youkai in the Myouren Temple wouldn't take too long to disappear before being able to become Enlightened.

>makes it, to me, impossible to raise a concrete judgment of infeasibility regarding the teaching of Buddhism to youkai.
The reason why no one brings a point is because they're not knowledgeable enough to, Byakuren is their only reliable reference on Buddhism during the discussion, so neither Kanako nor Miko realize how unlikely the idea of a Youkai becoming a Buddha actually is, specially wehn we consider the fact that Byakuren describes Enlightenment as "Denying your self once" which is incorrect, it's denying your self permanently, achieving the state Enlightenment causes the individual to quite literally lose any sense of self, it's hard to even call someone who has become Enlightened an actual individual, and considering the fact that Byakuren thinks Koishi of all people is close to this state makes me question Byakuren's understanding of Buddhism (That and a lot of other things, but let's not get into that).

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bump

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>>16701588
I didn't know Buddhism allowed cannibalism.

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>>16865203
It doesn't, Stripe Pattern is just a hack.

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>>16860842
Koishi's situation is both a misunderstanding (they presented her to Byakuren in a way that does seem close to Buddhism, but how are they supposed to know about subconsciousness? Which makes me wonder how Koishi knows about the word "subconscious" in first place, but nevermind) and one of those original and humorous situations ZUN makes by linking traditional concepts with modern day theories (like Yatagarasu=Nuclear fusion or Shikigami=computers).

And what did Kyouko do, upon "realizing the emptiness of secularism"? Turn to Myouren Temple. The fact that people started to fear her as a far away voice doesn't undermine her original goal.

Kanako is knowledgeable enough to know about bodhisattva without Byakuren mentioning them first. The limit to their knowledge is established by ZUN, who, had he truly wanted to imply a possible infeasibility of her plan, would have at least included a mention somewhere. Instead, he even makes Byakuren emphasize the point of teaching Buddhism to spiritually weak beings like youkai.

Byakuren didn't mention "self" (atman), but rather "existence". In fact, aside from the possibility of ZUN (I mean, he's great, but he's not omniscient, he admitted he didn't know anything about Taoism before TD and there are some points in Miko's theories that don't seem to match true Taoism -but I don't want to dig into that, maybe another time-, but it's ok, because this is ZUN's series, so he has the right to re-elaborate his materials) using improper terminology, it doesn't necessarily have to be a jump from youkai to Enlightenment, as Byakuren said she's going to lead her disciples to "a higher stage". Who proves Byakuren's plan right is (and I was a fool for not remembering earlier) is Shou Toramaru.

>But she wasn't a youkai with a solid identity. It wouldn't have been strange for her to disappear at any moment. But when Lord Bishamonten and I asked her to guard our temple in our absence, her existence became firmly established.
>Well, that's true...[referring to Miko's "funny" comment about her being a house-sitter] but because she also became a being that gathers faith as an avatar of Bishamonten... If I had to label her, I'd say she's the same as Ms. Kanako.

Shou was exactly one of those youkai with weak spiritual strength, who would have easily disappeared. But she found an occupation at Byakuren's temple, stabilized her existence and even obtained godhood (confirmed by Kanako, goddess herself), which demonstrates Byakuren's assertion about youkai's capability of becoming gods and Buddhas. From there, Shou continues to train to achieve Enlightenment.

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>>16865985
Then you admit that Byakuren isn't as willing to help Youkai as one would assume? Because you're not adressing the other separate point that Byakuren's interest in Koishi does not come from a desire to help her.

>Who proves Byakuren's plan right is (and I was a fool for not remembering earlier) is Shou Toramaru.
Shou became the actual avatar of Bishamonten, she's not just any disciple, her existence not fading has less to do with her being a necessarily good disciple (She's outright stated to even be a heavy drinker) and more about her being connected to a god. She's a special case regardless of how you look at it.

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>>16866174
First of all, I have listed SEVERAL cases of Byakuren helping youkai, which amount to the entire Myouren Temple and several references in her UFO bio (which certainly isn't written by Akyuu or whoever).

>That is hard thing to do, even for a trained monk. If that's the case, I definitely want this Ms. Koishi in our temple(*12). It's possible that she can approach a state close to enlightenment without undergoing training.

Byakuren wants Koishi to reach Enlightenment, you're the one who thinks she considers Koishi some kind of test subject. Not to mention the fact that Byakuren represents "benevolence" in SoPM's opening aphorism, so we can see Byakuren, in ZUN's eyes, is a benign individual and not some kind of profiteer.

Regardless of the Buddhist deva's aid, this proves that the mutation Byakuren is talking about is factually possible. Again, there's no in-universe mention of criticism about the very feasibility of her plan (aside from the contingent doubts about certain unruly disciples), so, until ZUN, who doesn't have problems with speaking against his characters (just look at Rinnosuke, who, according to him, knows much less than he thinks), says in an interview or in a work through the words of his characters "Yeah, her plan is doomed from the start and I made her ENTIRE character and motivation affected by this single, fatal flaw", I'm sticking to the adage "Ubi lex voluit dixit, ubi noluit tacuit".

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>>16867881
Again, i never fucking said Byakuren doesn't want to help Youkai, only that she's not AS willing to do it as much as one would thinks. And i outright stated before that Byakuren being interested in Koishi's mind isn't even a bad or malevolent thing, it's her being interested in something that can help her temple and something that does not impact Koishi negatively in any way, but the fact still stands that outside of being interested in Koishi, Byakuren shows no sign of being willing to help the one group of Youkai who actually ARE persecuted and hated.

It's not impossible for a Youkai to become a Buddha, but considering the fact that the Youkai in Myouren Temple have yet to show any sign of trully changing their unruly ways in any official work, we can assume that most of them haven't even started taking Buddhism seriously, even Kyouko doesn't actually know what the Sutras she memorized even mean, so it's technically an ambiguous sittuation, and considering what's said about Youkai in Touhou and certain principles of Buddhism in real life, im inclined to believe that yes, Youkai becoming Buddhas is something with a minusule chance of happening.

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>>16867982
Can you actually become a Buddha, or can you only become LIKE Buddha?

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>>16869028
>Can you actually become a Buddha, or can you only become LIKE Buddha?
For one as limited as you, perhaps not. To have fallen so far and learned nothing, that is your failure.

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>>16716234
what is this from, image search doesn't work

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>>16869159
https://exhentai.org/g/1038003/9562f10dbe/

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>>16869181
thanks

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gook nihilism? no thanks, im muslim

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>>16869028
Depending on teaching they're one in the same.

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>>16869621
Theravada is the best.

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>>16865372
He is a gifted individual

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>>16856740
She did everything wrong

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>>16879407
That's not true! That's impossible!

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Currently sitting in a shukubo at mount koya, about to be fed monk food. What to expect?

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>>16879577
Byakuren poops.

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>>16701588
Why is my mom predating on those girls?

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>>16701588
I've converted to Autism.

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>>16858848
>>16840537

I like the style.
What is the source?

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>>16769744
Let me tell you about our lord and savior JR Bob Dobbs, The leader of the Church of the Subgenius! Salvation Guaranteed for 100 Dollars, or triple your money back!

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>>16803940
is that a real picture of Hitler btw?

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>>16869374
>muslim
How could anyone follow such a shit tier religion willingly? Even worse than buddhism. You should be a Taoist instead.

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>>16701588
No, I'm too busy falling for some /x/ memes