/jp/ - Otaku Culture

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What do Japanese otaku think of Western otaku?

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Depends.

Some are 'filthy gaijin', some are 'the power of moe can unite us all from across the world ;_;'

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I do know they have some matome blogs translating 4chan threads into Japanese

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What do they think about our memes and art?
Are there westaboos that glorify us?

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>>16567903
Yet we don't do that for futaba threads. Do they look up to us?

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>>16567939
Actually, we do. I mean, yotsuba doesn't, but I've read more than a few futaba threads translated on imgur or certain subreddits or whatever.

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>us
>they
>we

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>>16568161
You're lucky I figured out who you're quoting. You were quite close to meeting the sharp edge of my blade.

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>>16568373
I don't know what the fuck his point is. We can't use plural pronouns now?

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>>16567791
What do you think of Westaboos? Same for them.

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>>16568393
I think it's the implicit assumption that 2ch/futaba users have zero overlap with 4chan users?

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>>16568393
No, he means that although he is using the quotation feature to quote earlier posts in the thread, the way he posted made it seem as if he was a filthy crossie greentexter.

See, the 2016 election awoke me and my other /jp/sies trained in the ancient shaolin shitposting arts. We now wait silently in our monastic NEET basements, awaiting any sign of norms and crossboarders violating the tao of the funpost. At first sign, we descend from our ascetic practices to deliver justice to worthless normies who wish to desecrate our ancient board culture.

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>>16568426
However, this time it was a false alarm. Yahhh gomen gomen

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>>16568426
I didn't even know Japane had an election last year

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>>16568454
This is OTAKU culture, not Japanese culture, fuckin NERD

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>>16568161
Welcome to 2017. It only gets worse.

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>>16567939
Why translate futaba shitpost threads into English when you could just make the same thread on /jp/ in English to begin with?

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>>16568501
Exactly. So why would I know about a Japanese election

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>>16568393
There' no ''we'',''us'' and ''they''.
Herd bullshit doesn't belong here, understand?

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>>16568546
/pol/ redditors are invading and desecreating our board culture. The 2016 election has emboldened them...

...they do not understand the ancient funposting styles my fingers will unleash to defend /jp/...!

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>>16568603
but it does
why would anyone would still remain on 4chan if not for the sheer inertia of the standard herd bullshit?

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>>16568426
>normies

You've become tainted with the darknesss brother monk. Your end will be quick, my dude.

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>>16567920
What would they even glorify? The west has basically no doujin scene, apart from furries and cloppers. And there's no real equivalent in the west to idols, late-night anime, and the light novel industry either. All that really leaves is mainstream stuff like Disney, Marvel, Star Trek, and Game of Thrones that is watched around the world regardless.

Do Japanese like /tg/? I feel like that's the only western thing niche enough to really be considered otaku.

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>>16568656
*rips off sweatpants, revealing a raging erecting barely concealed by my baby blue satin panties*
Have a taste of my Shaolin style, kisama!

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>>16568679
I think that there's a scene in Japan that really likes Western video games (Fallout, Portal, etc. as well as indie games like Skullgirls and Undertale).

Not sure though.

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>>16568679
Only non-mainstream franchise which is hugely popular over there that I can think of is Ultima.

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>>16568679
Many Japanese people like tabletop RPGs and Western video games.

The closest thing the West has to a derivative work scene is probably fanfiction.

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>>16568813
I like to think that this guy ripped his pants off and stood posed for battle all the while >>16568825, >>16568865 and >>16569068 resumed their conversation.

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>>16568679
Are you serious? There are fucking loads of western things to get into. Any field that the west contributes to could be obsessed over for the `pure` western elements contributed. This goes for any culture.

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>>16568679

There's western Sci Fi/Fantasy books, cartoons, comic books/webcomics, video games, history, etc.

Plenty of things that someone in Japan could obsess over just as people here do.

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This is the cutest thread on the jay atm

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Yamalamadingdong is here and she is not looking happy.

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>>16568679
>And there's no real equivalent in the west to idols
Literally every 3D teen involved with Disney. Also pretty much any group that has more than one singer, though that kind of fell off years ago. (I think. I don't listen to modern music that much.)

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>>16567791

My guess it changes with context. For instance, there was a feeling of brotherhood when Madoka was airing. Lots of Japanese looking in on the Western reaction threads, admiring how quickly the runes were being deciphered, being amused at the jokes and stupidity.

Likewise they were looking in on the Log Horizon threads where Mamare Touno showed up, it showed how compatible our board cultures were, in some ways.

On the other hand, they're pretty scornful of threads discussing sales rankings as such, due to Western otaku having a reputation for being rampant pirates. They don't like being made to feel that it is their job to buy stuff and fund the industry.

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>>16570954
Who the FUCK are these stupid nip monkeys QUOTING?!?

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>>16571005
They're quoting the posters in that linked 4chan thread.

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>>16569985
>There are fucking loads of western things to get into
Well. They are not. So it's very debatable.

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>>16569985
Like what tho? Anything remotly similar to the media they consume is mainstream here now and like the guy already said the western dojiin scene only exists in furfaggotry and barnyfags.

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>>16571052
They are not what? Western? I don't see how that affects anything negatively. In fact, I would argue that the very fact that they aren't western makes it more intriguing for them, much like how Jap stuff was for most of the folks here when they first discovered it.

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>>16571077

Just because something is "mainstream" (based on your arbitrary metrics) doesn't mean you can't be an otaku about it you know. Most of the stuff I listed earlier >>16570783 isn't even really any more mainstream than anime is in the west nowadays. Let alone in Japan where most of those things are probably pretty niche.

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>>16571077
Do you know what a truotaku is? Basically someone who is obsessed with a certain subject. Could be anything; guns, western history, computers/electronics, wild west stuff, whatever.

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Well if you like shrine maidens and shit you'd want to get it straight from a Japanese and not some westerner that doesn't "get" it. Same thing for a Japanese that likes cowboys or muscle cars, American material on it is more authentic-feeling.

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>>16569985
There is no niche otaku-esque culture in the west that nips would get into.

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>>16570954
>scornful of threads discussing sales rankings
Not without reason, but what do they expect foreign consumers to do?

It's not as though Japanese anime publishers are interested in marketing the good stuff overseas. Furthermore, there's the language barrier for EOP consumers to contend with, and the market hasn't produced translation of a quality that can surpass fucking shitposters translating the stuff in their free time. Until supply side gets their shit together and/or realises that there is demand for their product, there is no incentive for Johnny foreigner to contribute to the Japanese animation industry.

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>>16571116
>>16571098

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>>16570954
They act almost Human.

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>>16571087
You said there are a lot of western things to get into but they don't have a interest in them besides
video games. So no they obviously do not want to get into it.

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>>16571140
Very wishful thinking on that last sentence. No matter how good the product is, people would rather get it for free if they can. You can expect at best 1% of anime fans at best to pay for a more EOP friendly product, and those are mostly they people that already pay for streaming services, the occasional blu-ray and merchandise. HBO is having issues with Game of Thrones piracy, and that show's audience includes a large number of people who don't know what a torrent is. You can imagine how a 99% internet savvy anime audience gets their fix. And that's just anime, good luck getting a large enough western VN/LN audience for publishers to even consider marketing towards us.

Prices would go way down if people started to pay for their anime, but no incentive is greater than the lack of a price tag.

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>>16571210
Is Japan one person now? My argument still stands. I don't know what you are trying to say anymore.

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My view on this is that Japan's attraction to the West (read: America) doesn't work in the same way that Westerners are attracted to Japan. Is a person who lives outside the US an ameri-boo for watching American produced TV shows and movies? No, that's just globalization working. American culture is so normalized you can't really idolize it and put it on a pedestal anymore. Rock'n'roll, leather jackets and Americana all flooded over to Japan in the economic growth and establishment of US bases after WWII. You still have some Japanese fashion designers drawing many of their ideas from American and European musicians from the past century, while western designers rarely draw ideas from nonwestern countries. That said I think it's possible to have been a westaboo in the past in Japan, a young person presented with the opportunity to see western magazines and musicians, travel overseas without having to fully commit to the salaryman lifestyle of their parents generation.

I just reread my post and it's really poorly written and argued, but I don't feel like rewriting it.

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>>16571345

I have to disagree, Japan is such a homogeneous and relatively isolated country culture-wise that I think American culture is still very much exotic there, at least when it comes to things less surface level than Hollywood movies and top 40 pop music.

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>>16571345
The difference between a westaboo and someone who consumes american content is that westaboos directly pursue and prefer western content and overall culture.

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>>16570954
Well we would fund the industry if they could offer subs and have proper translators do their job translating into multiple languages. They want the industry to boom? Have them translate the shows and put them on either streaming sites which get revenue from ads or send DVDs over stateside.

They should hire people who mastered english/other largely known languages in Japan (Native born of course) to act as their translators for subbing purposes.

At the very least it can help spread the availability of their shows without having to worry about piracy.

More often than not; piracy stems from lack of availability to some media (Old TV shows that aren't DVD Box sets, etc)

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>>16571601

But pretty much every anime gets a stream release with English subtitles on either Crunchyroll or Funimation nowadays, and while the translations are sometimes questionably liberal they're usually at least free of blatant mistakes and in a proper font. What you're talking about has already happened, at least for modern anime.

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>>16571601
Some communities are full of "don't pirate" people but we're not one of them. We pirate everything, even when it is available legally at reasonable prices via streaming services such as Crunchyroll (or, I dunno, Daisuki or something if you hate CR) and mass-market retailers at forty dollars for a season.

Yeah, if you're shit poor enough that you dumpster dive on the regular and cup ramen looks calorically inefficient to you, that's one thing, but there's at a huge chunk of people who pirate things because they can. Some of this might be because they hate the company and it doesn't "support the industry", but mostly because it's free.

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>>16571620
I think the problem is that Crunchyroll and Funimation each have exclusive rights to a fair chunk of good anime, so people end up deciding they don't want to pay two monthly subscriptions for essentially the same service, and end up paying... none.

At least, that's the case for me. And I actually pay a subscription for various premium services which actually give me a good value, like YouTube Red + Google Play Music.

If Crunchyroll and Funimation merged their catalogues and kept a sub price around $10 a month, I'd pay it.

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>>16571647

I mean like 95% of stuff is on Crunchyroll so you could just pirate the Funimation stuff.

My problem with both services is that they're stream only as far as I know, if they had a direct download or torrent option I would be willing to pay but as of now they're offering a service that's strictly worse than what I could get for free and I just can't justify paying for that. I'd rather support the industry in ways that actually benefit me in some way

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>>16571667
That's true; I often watch anime on mobile and I don't want to stream using mobile data, so I download when I know that's what I'll be doing.

I'm imagining they avoid downloads for, essentially, DRM reasons, but they're really shooting themselves in the feet there.

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>>16571647
I don't want to pay for subtitled anime because if I was in Japan, I would be able to watch it on TV for free, albeit with no subtitles. That, and forced streaming plus not having the income to pay upkeep for such services. I do however buy merchandise and occasional the CDs of doujin musicians.

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>>16571678

I don't like streaming because it's lower quality, much less convenient if you want to turn off subtitles/change the window size freely/take screenshots/do anything really with the video, and it requires an internet connection. I really don't understand why they don't have a download service when people immediately rip all of their streams and upload them anyways. Maybe it's a licensing issue.

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>>16568679
There was a pretty big Japanese fanbase for Wander Over Yonder.

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>>16567903
What's matome?

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>>16568400
No one think anything about westaboos. They all died in the 19th century anyway.

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>>16572368
Kojima.

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>>16572361
Weblogs whose content consists primarily of collected and summarized threads from various parts of the internet.

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>>16568825
Undertale has a fanmade Japanese translation patch, and it's very popular among the more "nerdy" (for lack of a better word) crowd there.

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>>16571681
>I would be able to watch it on TV for free
Wat

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>>16571140
I've always thought that anime should be reoriented towards a broadcast model for overseas audiences.

Instead of a streaming service, the studio pays for translation and then releases the video files through an "authorized" torrent. Worked into the video file are banner ads in columns on either side of the video proper.

It would be similar to how radio or broadcast tv (with rabbit ears) pays for itself.

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Speaking of Western stuff with a surprisingly large Japanese following.
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=33527759

[Y10NRDY !kxh.1oTAkU No.]

>>16571647
>>16571667
Yeah, I've struggled with that issue for a long time. My personal fix is I pay for a Crunchyroll subscription that I barely use unless I'm away from home, which is never. Then I go ahead and download torrents for posterity, and when a BD gets released stateside for a show I dig, I'll buy it if I have the money.

It's a distinctly retarded system but it works for me.

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>>16574334
I know I should know better than to take his word for gospel, but Digibro has apparently said that buying DVDs/BDs/most kinds of merch is kind of pointless if you want to support the original studio/creator, since most of the money gets hoovered up by middlemen and translators.

It sounds sketchy but not entirely out there. Would it just be better for me to find out where Yui Hara lives and send her/him/them(?) two 1000 yen notes in the mail for Wakaba Girl and Kiniro Mosaic?

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>>16574271
Unless they're broadcasting at the same time as in Japan, even a few hours is enough to get fansubs out.

Also why would anyone watch ads if given the chance not to? People would still remove the ads from the video and reupload for archival. Besides that won't do anything about DVD and BR sales, which are the important things. The problem is a lack of available merch. Translate character song lyrics and voice CD scripts and sell those to the west.

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>>16574382
That one Trigger guy that did a Q&A on /a/ a while ago also said something to that effect.

[Y10NRDY !kxh.1oTAkU No.]

>>16574382
>I know I should know better than to take his word for gospel, but Digibro has apparently said that buying DVDs/BDs/most kinds of merch is kind of pointless if you want to support the original studio/creator, since most of the money gets hoovered up by middlemen and translators.
I'm sure a lot of it does, yeah, but there's really no recourse outside of buying the overpriced JP BDs but I'm not fucking doing that. I'd be able to afford one show a season.
>Would it just be better for me to find out where Yui Hara lives and send her/him/them(?) two 1000 yen notes in the mail for Wakaba Girl and Kiniro Mosaic?
It's a lovely idea but probably not. Creators don't usually sell tanks and BDs from their home.

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>>16572368
Most actual otaku (read: people obsessed with a particular subject) don't really care about the geographical origin of their interests unless that is itself an aspect of their obsession. Military otaku, computer otaku, history otaku, train otaku, et cetera regularly fixate on western subjects, exclusively or in addition to Japanese ones, especially in cases where there is a lot more foreign content to be consumed than domestic. I've encountered several military and computer otaku in the past who even outwardly lament the fact that they weren't born in the United States where there is more availability of and community around guns, militaria, computers, and programming.

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>>16574382
The thing is that an anime's success is generally gauged by the discs and merch it sell. Just sending the studio cash won't convince producers that investing in them will lead to future success, but strong sales will.

Manga is mostly the same. The mangaka may get less money from a sold tank than $20 in the mail, but each sale increases their standing among publishers and will help them get more work published for more pay.

Creators, rather than relying on the direct income from sales, in the long-term tend to rely on the ability of strong sales to allow them to market themselves better to publishers and producers and thereby get more, better work. So if you really want to support them, buy their stuff and tell them how much you like it.

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>>16574499
>tell them how much you like it.
I understand the whole publishing contract -> consistent money thing and why thats better than relying on money directly from individual sales, but how does one contact a particular artist or similar? I've wanted to do that for another story, but I don't really know how.

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>>16574397
>Also why would anyone watch ads if given the chance not to?
The idea is that you're taking advantage of the consumer's desire for a product that is free and convenient. Most people want the episodes quickly and effort-free, and if the "authorized" sub is routinely up and always has a fuckton of seeds ready to go, most scrubs are probably going to suffer through two 50 pixel-width banner ads rather than wait a few hours for fansubs or a version scrubbed of ads.

This strategy would obviously be backed up by suing the shit out of people who torrent fansubs, which would be shitty obviously. But I can understand why an industry starving for more cash flow would do it.

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>>16574603
A lot of artists are fairly responsive to feedback sent through Twitter, if you want to dive in to that cesspit.

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>>16574603
Depends on the artist. A lot are on twitter or have pixiv accounts, and with an online search it's not usually too hard to find emails or sometimes mailing addresses if they chose to make them available. If all else fails you can always contact the publisher, but I don't know how responsive they will be.

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They'd have to simulcast them with subs to beat fansubbers is my point.

A more practical thing would be to sell access to archived torrents of series. Even if they get subs, seeds die unless it's a really popular series.

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>>16575141 to >>16575056

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>>16575141
It's my understanding that only *the* most popular series get fansubs out the door within a few hours. The threat of legal action may keep others from bothering to try and mount any kind of competition, which would slow the release time even further.

I could be wrong, but I don't really see fansubbing as that big of a threat anymore.

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>>16575141
>Even if they get subs, seeds die unless it's a really popular series.
Is it really necessary to have all 29 seasons of teekyuu available at one's fingertips?

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>>16575270
Why does that bullshit get so many seasons?

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>>16575293
You can fund a season of Teekyuu with a box of instant ramen and half a tank of gas

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>>16575309
You can do that with lots of shows. Why is it special over other equal trash like Ai Mai Mi or something?

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>>16575316
Teekyuu has a manga that can get adapted.

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Is it true that several Japanese businessmen offered money to meet Anzu in Japan?

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>>16568679
of course, theres japs that like western film, games, music and cultures.

have you never been outside of your basement, anon?

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>>16571210
lol, when i was in japan i met mexicaboos and one even recommended me movies ive never heard of

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>>16567903
url?

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>>16594932
There's a few. This one for example translates /a/ and /jp/ threads: http://4chansokuhou.blog.fc2.com/

If you google 4chan ブログ you'll find more.

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>>16595294
Thanks.

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>>16568161
oh no

you're part of a group

Actually, I don't know if I'd call myself an otaku, there's a certain stigma with that.

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>>16571601
>>16571140
well, there ARE means to support the anime industry but

I dunno, they all suck, which you're aware of. Honestly, I do support THINGS in Japan, but those things are always manga. Manga is cheap as fuck and easy as hell to buy so I buy a lot of it. As I earn more dosh I'll also buy more merchandise, probably.

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>>16571345
>Is a person who lives outside the US an ameri-boo for watching American produced TV shows and movies?
Depends on the zeal. See: Kojima and Watarai Keiji

westabooism is real

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>>16595294
I saw a japanese blog on /a/ a few days ago that translated/explained 4chan slang.

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>>16567791
"Fucking weebs"

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>>16567791
Cultural appropriation

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I imagine they think we are just otacool idiots

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>>16617544
A lot of Japanese are otacool idiots too. Hence the term niwaka.

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>>16617544
Many Western anime fans may misuse the word "otaku" when referring to themselves as a result of ignorance of the true definition. I wouldn't consider those otacool(s?) or niwaka for that reason.

I doubt there are many Japs unaware of the definition, so it would follow that there are many more otacool idiots there when in addition you consider that Japan is the home of otaku culture.

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>>16570843
edm has the equivalent of idols too actually. unfortunately.

>>16571183
that's not what /pol/ told me!

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>>16595532
I wonder if Japan will ever get onto the direct-funding method that's getting popular in the West (Kickstarter and Patreon being some trending examples, but people have had Paypals sitting around for ages). On the other side you have people who would probably gift ten thousand dollars to their favorite idol if it weren't against the rules; on our side, there's a lot of people who claim that they want to "support the industry" but don't want to give money to middlemen or buy box sets that, frankly, get them nothing.

I have a feeling they would never even try to get started just because of the sheer size of the bomb it might drop on the industry.

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>>16622239
Japanese culture generally looks down on giving money and gifts directly because there's a strong incentive to give back something whenever one receives gift. That's why they have holidays like White Day for Valentine's Day just so that everyone can equally give and receive something.

However, this is not the case when there's inequality on the social hierarchy. For example, on New Year's Day parents and grandparents give money to their kids, but the kids aren't expected to give back anything in return because they're kids and expected to obey their parents and grandparents. This most likely has its origins in Confusianism which teaches that subordinates need to obey their superordinate and in return superordinate need to take care of their subordinates.

So, if you give something without expecting anything in return, you're basically telling the other person that they're your subordinate and need to obey you like a child would to their parents or an employee would to their boss.

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>>16623840
It's not necessarily Confucianism. Most traditional societies are like this. It was in fact the introduction of egalitarianism from the West that broke down the social order and made people with different roles see each other as equals. This is a major reason bribery and blatant monetary corruption became so prevalent and accepted in much of the world, whereas previously that sort of thing would be considered terribly dishonorable. Not that egalitarianism is necessarily harmful. The same situation was still going on in the West until only several decades ago as well. Takes a while for post-feudal attitudes to die.

Japan is unique in that it modernized largely of its own power, and so even though feudalism and the caste system was abolished the same feudal attitudes have remained in the culture without too much influence from such events as the French Revolution and the revolutions of 1848, or the influence of societies that were shaped by those. The closest they came was arguably the occupation by the US and by then they were modern enough to take it without a large-scale breakdown of de jure social structures.

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>>16595294
I like this one because he has a cute character to help jps understand western memes

http://blog.livedoor.jp/drazuli/

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>>16622239
There's a jp version of patreon called enty, a couple of artists I've been following have accounts on there already and are pulling in 2-3k USD a month.

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>>16571140

I have yet to see a GAMERS in america...

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>>16629839
GAMERS is shit

I live in Japan and I never go in there

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>>16629850

>GAMERS is shit
>I live in Japan and I never go in there

But the limited edition stuff though...

but you miss the point. We dont have dedicated stores like they have over there and it hurts the market. if there was a shop i could go to to get things ASAP the could have all my money having to got through a deputy service is really gut wrenching.

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>>16575270
absolutely
not like it'll take up any space, each season is like twenty minutes long

also, crunchyroll's uptime has been really awful lately, so having what you want to watch whenever you want to watch is kind of a big deal

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>>16570954
>On the other hand, they're pretty scornful of threads discussing sales rankings as such, due to Western otaku having a reputation for being rampant pirates. They don't like being made to feel that it is their job to buy stuff and fund the industry.
Good for them, I can't fucking stand that shit. It's just one step away from the normalfag "what's popular is what's best" mentality. Or the reverse, which is just as bad. Any mentality based on whether or not other people like them is shit.

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>>16628667
Are there any professional artists using it?

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>>16628661
Nice find.

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>>16630364
That's not what people look at sales rankings for. People who like things want the things they like to do well so they get more such things in the future. Hoping what you already like sells is not the same as deciding what to like based on what sells.

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Hrmph. I am a 2channel level otaku, and you are as far beneath me as narutards are beneath you. Think you're pretty hot with your torrents? My satellite dish is pulling down the latest shows while they air from motherfucking SPACE. By the time you even see the OP I've already fapped and smoked a cigarette. And the latest moeblob you fell in love with this season? Three years ago I played the game the show's based, got the secret harem ending, and came on her face. And her friends' faces. All at the same time. Twice. You keep waiting for your precious torrents. I'll be standing in line at Comiket, getting the real deal from the artist himself.

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>>16575293
>bullshit
fight me nerd

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>>16630451
Rebis and Asanagi are on there, those are the biggest names I recognize. Though the top ranking list is all illustrators, someone else might know more of them than me.

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>>16631286
This looks like a copy pasta, but I don't recognize it.

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>>16632346
This is the final pasta of a multi-post pasta in which otacools state their superiority over other nerds

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>>16631286
Same.

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>>16632785
Was there something before 4chan?

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>>16568426
Amen.

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>>16632346
The original existed somewhere on world4ch at least 10 years ago. It is unbelievably obscure.

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>>16571647
>>16571667
>I mean like 95% of stuff is on Crunchyroll so you could just pirate the Funimation stuff.

Oh yeah, let's support a monopoly. That worked great with Youtube or Twitch didn't it.

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>>16633016
No, 4chan was there when the universe began, and existsed before that for who knows how long

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>>16633265
It's not a matter of how long it existed before the universe because time didn't even exist yet. 4chan was always there, forever.

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>>16633265
I was talking about the pasta chain.

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>>16571211
you say that, but Funimation and Crunchyroll have effectively killed fan-subbing. CR has like 1 million subscribers or something iirc. It's working, whether you like it or not. You have to remember than 4chan, and /jp/ in specific, is such a small, elite segment of the weeaboo audience. Without exaggeration, everybody I know in real life who watches anime (about two dozen or so) wach through legal channels.

There's no need for you to try and fix their model, they have a working model and they don't really care that you aren't a part of it, because they're making money from everybody else.

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>>16634524
I know "people" who only watch anime that is available on Netflix. They even watched the second season of Mushishi without watching the first just because it's there.

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http://may.2chan.net/b/res/467760077.htm
Why are Japs such newfags?

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>>16570954
It's sad how fanatically anti-piracy japs are.

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>>16634524
I think there's definitely some truth to what you're saying. I mean, the most popular method of anime piracy is downloading from nyaa, right? Well, the most popular anime this season, sixth episode of konosuba season 2 only has 53,754 downloads. I know it adds up to much more when you consider alternate methods of obtaining the material like IRC or even streaming it through illegal channels such as kissanime. Anyway, contrast this to how popular konosuba is on MAL or even how many youtube hits it gets, I think it is clear to me that what you're saying has some truth. I know this isn't good research, but more of an observation, I guess.

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>>16637181
>shitty isekai is most popular
normalfags have no taste

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>>16631286
You're a 2channel level otaku, you say? Hrmph. I am a mangaka level otaku, and you are as far beneath me as 4chan level otaku are beneath you. Think you're pretty hot with your bookstores? My pen is dishing out the latest stories while I think them up with my BRAIN. By the time you even crack the binding I've already signed a contract for the next one. And that h-game you played three years ago? I made my wife dress up as the lead and had sex with her for inspiration when I co-wrote it. I still have the manuscript for the bondage scene you'll never see. You keep waiting for your precious bookdealers. I'll be sitting in my studio apartment, making the real deal with my own hands.

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>>16637181
Streaming is several times more popular than downloading.

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>>16637253
>otaku
>wife
Try again

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>>16637220
it's like you imply konosuba is a regular isekai show, ha ha good joke anon

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>>16637253
You're a mangaka level otaku, you say? Hrmph, I am a corporate bureaucrat, and you're as far beneath me as 2channel level otaku are beneath you. Think you're pretty hot with your new volume? I'm the one who makes it popular with my propaganda and viral marketing. By the time you even pick up that pen I've already contracted a better author. And that h-game you made last year after dressing up your lovedoll for inspiration? I was fucking a girl more beautiful than you could ever even hope to talk to. I still have the new serialization contracts you'll never see. You keep writing your silly books. I'll be sitting in my mansion, counting up all the money you've made me.

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>>16570954
>hey don't like being made to feel that it is their job to buy stuff and fund the industry.

Well it is. Even if we didn't pirate as much, producers would still mainly care about Japanese sales.

I'll never forgive Japanese otaku for preventing us from getting second seasons of Watamote and Nichijou.

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>>16567791
学校でナルトのコスプレする自己顕示欲強い人たちだと思ってるよ
日本にはそんなオタクいないよ

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>>16641692
>I'll never forgive Japanese otaku for preventing us from getting second seasons of Watamote and Nichijou.
it still hurts

I'd finally gotten over this, and then this post comes and brings back the pain.

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>>16641692
Nothing stops you from buying BDs and getting friends / acquaintances / people you found on the internet to also buy BDs other than the fact that none of you want to buy them because they're expensive as shit.

My favorite series came out in a discounted box that I could easily buy and I still haven't yet done it because it would probably end up sitting on the shelf.

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>>16641692
>for preventing us from getting second seasons of Watamote
What.

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>>16571116
Call of Duty/Battlefield/western FPS
Airsoft/Paintball
McDonalds/KFC
Wrestling
capeshit movies
chuck norris/steven segal/schwarsanigger films

these are all things westaboos like. I have a westaboo friend.

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>>16644949
Watamote's BD sales flopped in Japan, which is why there won't ever be a second season

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>>16645059
FUCK

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>>16645059
thank god

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The irony in all of this is that BDs would cost $15 MAX if nobody pirated. Quality of anime would improve too; more shows would get seconds seasons and anime wouldn't be dominated by moeshit.

Guess I really shouldn't expect much from a bunch of short-term minded idiots. Humanity really is stupid.

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>>16645978
Calm your tits, /a/. And none of what you said is true.

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>>16567791
I've met a few during my trips to Tokyo, they all seemed very welcoming. It made them really happy and proud that there were knowledgeable fans overseas. I also boticed that they liked to categorize their friends as otaku of certain media.
For instance, they might be the manga otaku, their friend might be the idol otaku, and me, well even though i like music a lot more, i'd just be the anime otaku

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>>16645978
Anime is a niche product, which is why it's so expensive. If you lowered the price of BDs the industry would crash.

In the west it's a niche too. Besides, we already have localized box sets and shit and I don't think they're doing too well. No idea though.

Also piracy does not equal lost sales.

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>>16567791
We Don't

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>>16634524
>>16635221
>>16637181
I'm going to make a generalization and say that there's a somewhat narrow age gap where it's normal to obtain your anime for free these days. Everybody else is willing to pay for it, and these are also the two demographics who go to cons -

the older fans who remember when the only way to obtain anime was through physical means, and they never really got into torrenting/streaming. They care about DVD box sets, english voice actors, have enough disposable income to spend on said box sets, and generally act like they're just so glad that so many things are getting picked up and dubbed by these days.

On the other hand, you have the underage fags who got into anime recently, after the companies started cracking down on things. also they're from the age of netflix and hulu, so paying a subscription fee is perfectly normal to them.

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>>16571098
Does that include an obsession over meganekko?
And what about a meta-obsession with (japanese) otaku culture?

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>>16646047
How do you meet otaku in Tokyo? I went for Comiket, bought things, never talked to anyone, and went home.

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>>16646671
>never talked to anyone

I think I found your problem

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>>16646671
I'm a social retard and even I met quite a few otaku when on vacation in Japan in August of 2007.
I even become a leader of some sorts for two natives going to Comiket, was my first time as well.

My meganekko-obsession did help in the Comiket planning and a man with a plan is easily a leader.

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>>16646603
>>16646704
>meganekko-obsession
This is unrelated but I just want you to know that you have patrician taste.

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>>16636137
You're saying that as if Piracy is something that should be celebrated.

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>>16645392
Well fuck you too anon

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>>16647420
>You're saying that as if Piracy is something that should be celebrated.

This. I pirate all the time, but I've never pretended there's something noble about it like so many faggots do.

I view it like I do jaywalking. Jaywalking is illegal and everyone does it at some point. But if I get caught doing it by the police, I'm not going to scream about how jaywalking laws are unjust.

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>>16647420
I think it's much sadder how the west considers pirating as something normal.

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>>16647959
>>16648258
Pirating has been shown to have little to no effect on the economy of entertainment. In many cases, it is considered to actually benefit sales, by allowing people WHO WOULDN'T OTHERWISE PAY A CENT access to the product and then buying merch and other shit.

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>>16648313
I'm just angry at all physical media getting replaced with digital bullshit.
I actually want to touch the things I buy

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>>16648313
But blu-ray and music CD sales are way higher in Japan, which is pretty much the only market where those sales didn't decline since 2000. I don't think it's a coincidence that piracy is also more strictly enforced there.

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>>16648337
Physical media has been digital for awhile. It was only inevitable. Thankfully figs will always be there.

>>16648371
The longer I've been in this hobby the more I've realized how little I truly know about the 3d side of all the business shit. /ajp/ input seems to be contradictory usually. All that I know is that a lot of Japs still pirate shit actually, including doujins through sadpanda/dark whatever. I'd say those sales don't really differ from any other merch, in other words, Japs pirate the shows and buy the BDs like a nendo. I'm unsure why BDs are always expensive, though.

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>>16648401
I also buy BDs.
For me they are collectibles just like figures.
Which is why I complained about the digital stuff

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>>16648371
They're actually just monumentally backwards in terms of consumer technology. Not that's necessarily a bad thing, since it means they get to have more honest, traditional distribution channels. Even if it is prosecuted more zealously piracy is still pretty huge in Japan.

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>>16648337
I'm the opposite. In regards to books for instance, while everyone will rant about how they love the smell and feel of paper or whatever, I just think of how convenient is I can just open the Kindle app on my phone whenever I'm out and want to read instead of having to lug around a book.

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>>16648313
I never said that piracy is definitely harmful. To go back to my jaywalking analogy, both jaywalking and piracy usually harm no one. But I'm not going to claim that I'm actually helping my favorite artists by not paying for the shit they make. I'm only doing it cause I'm a poor, cheap bastard who doesn't want to pay for shit.

Maybe on a collective level piracy helps encourage merch sales; but on the individual level at least, you're obviously helping the artist more if you pay for both the content you consume and any merch being sold.

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>>16570954
Fuck you nip bastards, I am not importing your shitty licensed figures and paying a metric fuckton of money for shipping just to have you bitch at me.

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>>16646676
I was hoping for some sort of more social event kind of thing where it's acceptable to strike up a conversation with some random person as opposed. Otherwise it's like accosting random people on the subway. Everybody has things to buy and places to go.

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>>16637220
But isekai is saving the medium single-handedly?

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>>16653861
How would you feel if some shitty foreigner came along and pirates the stuff from your country you paid for?

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>>16654111
I was moving half a grand in Comiket goods, own about twice as much more again in imported goods (which basically adds up to a single BD set, but still), and have subscriptions to legal streaming services.

In a way they should be thankful that I started pirating Japanese media a decade ago or else I'd have blown it all on something like Warhammer.

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>>16654129
>and have subscriptions to legal streaming services
You were doing fine up to here. You're a bad person and you know why.

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>>16654637
Someone's going to get mad either way, but I would rather trigger Western otaku than Japanse otaku.

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>>16655438
You know, just because they aren't allowed to show the characters in your favorite otaku pandering anime torrenting and browsing perfect dark doesn't mean piracy isn't rampant in Japan. The only difference is that unlicensed sharing has been the traditional method of acquisition in the west, whereas the original media is cheap and easily available in Japan so piracy was never a necessity.

All you're doing is contributing to the deterioration of the culture in the west. Most japs don't give two shits about you torrenting. They'll do it too if they don't want to buy the expensive BDs. Or, you know, watch it on TV. For free.

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>>16655576
>All you're doing is contributing to the deterioration of the culture in the west.
I used to carefully follow the prescriptions of the "culture in the west," but at some point I stopped giving a shit. It started to seem like you had to do everything in a very specific way or you'd get shit on for being some sort of horrible newfag MAL /v/ retard despite the fact that none if it can possibly effect you.

The encryption on Perfect Dark is broken and unless you torrent through Tor your IP is public. At the very least people don't seem to admit it publicly.

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>>16655576
>cheap and easily available
Easily available? Yes. Cheap? No. Fuck no.
Where were you when Nichijou BDs were $300 for the box set?

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>>16655677
where were you when the end of his post mentioned overpriced BDs
and also when BDs weren't typical releases

and also when nichijou wasn't even good

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>>16655621
Nobody doesn't really care what you do as long as you're not actively supporting companies that hate you and the people you associate with. And Japs being computer illiterate and still using the proprietary clusterfuck that is perfect dark notwithstanding, seedboxes and VPNs are pretty common for torrenting.

>>16655677
Streaming is not equivalent to buying BDs. Streaming is equivalent to watching anime on TV, which the Japanese can do effectively for free. Even before streaming services came along people in the west bought anime when they could. Hell, some fansub groups used to even remove their releases from their sites and XDCC bots when shows got licensed and released on DVD in the west.

I guess it's a problem with western end users more than anything. Nobody wants to buy things anymore, just rent. Things were better when we had to fend for ourselves.

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>>16570954
I remember that during the koe no katachi manga the threads on /a/ had a guy that knew japanese sign language and there was a pretty funny back and forth with 2ch when they were confused that we had someone that knew it.
They also used to laugh at our reactions when each chapter had an "but then it got worse" moment.

Good times.

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>>16655883
>you're not actively supporting companies that hate you and the people you associate with.
The company has no opinion of me. It's a company. It doesn't love or hate me any more than Amazon or Subway does.

>Nobody wants to buy things anymore, just rent.
Both buying and renting get you nothing because you had it on your hard drive already, but renting gives you the "feeling of legality" for many more series compared to the cost of buying.

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>>16657407
Companies are composed of people. And while CR is mostly full of people who are ambivalent to dismissive of the sort of people who watch fandubs, having started out as a slimy fansub-peddling site themselves, actual localizers had been actively railing against them for over a decade, even when the fansubbers themselves generally supported licensing. It's understandable from a business perspective, but the fact is that anybody who doesn't happily wait for licensed localization is considered scum by most licensors.

And a "feeling of legality" isn't worth anything. Buying however contributes to sales figures and is a tangible physical product, whereas renting only benefits the middleman. Even if you have it on your hard drive you're still getting something, as you put it. Even buying licensed media is better than streaming, and far cheaper than the Japanese discs. Japs really don't care about streaming views. They want to move product.

That said, it feels kind of absurd how the download vs streaming argument began against sites that hosted uploaded fansubs snd now is against actual licensors.

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>>16641692
>I'll never forgive Japanese otaku for preventing us from getting second seasons of Watamote and Nichijou.
Blame the distributor. They fucked them over.

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>>16658172
>I'll never forgive Japanese otaku for preventing us from getting second seasons of Watamote and Nichijou.
>Blame the distributor. They fucked them over.

From what I read, Japanese otaku didn't buy Nichijou BDs just because they hated the VA who voiced Sakamoto

>In response to a comment about the issues with Producer Ito and Minoru Shiraishi, I’ll expand on that situation. Ito was the main producer for all of the Kadokawa/KyoAni shows (Full Metal Panic!, Haruhi, Lucky Star, Nichijou, and Hyouka). He and Shiraishi first met around the time of the first Haruhi broadcast and Shiraishi was brought back and had a big role in Lucky Star. The JP fans liked him in the Lucky Channel segments, but he got placed as the singer for the second cour’s EDs in live-action footage in an expanded role. Additionally, Shiraishi was focused upon in an video extra “The Adventures of Minoru Shiraishi” featured on 11 of the 12 DVDs. During the next Kadokawa/KyoAni production, Haruhi-chan, he was featured as “Oniguchi” in the CMs and bonus footage and even had an autograph session. The 2009 Haruhi DVDs had Shiraishi accompanying the group on the location scouting feature, Shiraishi’s own Taniguchi Goes! feature, and a voiceover feature as Taniguchi on each DVD. Additional bonus features were made for the Haruhi and Haruhi-chan BD-boxes again focusing on Shiraishi. The Disappearance movie BD had an extra showing the filming of Minori Chihara’s music video and Shiraishi showed up in that! During early 2010, he was given his own web show to race go-karts called Lucky Racer (spun off of Lucky Star) to promote other Kadokawa (and other associated companies) properties. By this time, there was a growing sentiment against the guy as it wasn’t just KyoAni shows he was focused on (Gai-Rei and Kiddy Girl-And also had Shiraishi bonus features, but he was cast in every Ito show). The final straw came when he was cast as Sakamoto-san in Nichijou, had a character song single, and was featured in location scouting/bonus footage AGAIN. Ito used him constantly and fans got sick of him over these three years
https://ultimatemegax.wordpress.com/2013/06/20/the-reasoning-behind-a-lack-of-haruhi-s3/

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>>16657199
>but then it got worse

The story of America.

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>>16633164
>Oh yeah, let's support a monopoly.

I'm sure you'd like to pay subscription fees to multiple sites instead of 1 or 2. But hey, we can stick it to the evil monopoly and just pirate everything, right?

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>>16662802
And buy the BDs and merchandise, yes. If nobody was using CR then they wouldn't have gotten this far. Who's going to pay a monthly subscription to just watch and not own a couple Gonzo shows?

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>>16648371
Japanese IPs are one of the most numerous on the panda by far.

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>>16571140
>>16571601
>the market hasn't produced translation of a quality that can surpass fucking shitposters translating the stuff in their free time.
>They should hire people who mastered english/other largely known languages in Japan (Native born of course) to act as their translators for subbing purposes.

Haha holy shit are you fucking serious.

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>>16660378
So true; I anvy those pleaces that still want to be the doormat of the scum of the world.

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>>16629870

Even if there was one, most people wouldn't be able to since it's not like you can get anywhere in the country in a couple hours just by riding the shinkansen.