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Damn, those pants look comfortable.

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Nice background.

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Yeah, I wish I could have and wear one of those.

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Those pants must be warm

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>>1633746
Oh my Mokou!

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>>1633749
Better to hide her diaper with.

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>>1633749
Then you get suspender burns on your pink bits.

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>>1633775
When you're Mokou, it's a good burn.

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>>1633775

Wouldn't she just regenerate?

Most fanon has her simply heal anything (some go so far as to say her own combat technique LIGHTS HERSELF ON FIRE), but canon is just "she dies and comes back" with no specifics to surface wounds.

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>>1633746
Hey Mokou, I think you forgot something.

Yep, here it is. Really now, i know back in your time, watches didn't exist, but they are essential in today's Gensokyo.

Take care now.

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>>1633934
>i know back in your time

All time is Mokou's time.

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>>1633879

So Mokou doesn't suffer from nipple chafing? That's a pretty specific skill to have. Useful, though.

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>>1633995
Maybe she has inverted nipples, so the only thing getting chafed would be her areolas (or I suppose "areolae").

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>>1633995

She wouldn't suffer chafing *anywhere* because when you rub her skin, it regenerates back, thereby negating the possibility of it being rubbed raw.

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>>1633762

Stop doing that.

Also, are the pants considered tomboyish in Gensokyo? I heard something about imported western-style pants being considered an upper-class status symbol or some shit in Japan back in, uh... around the period when Mokou still lived outside Gensokyo. So is she styling all ladylike, or rocking the BRO FASHION?

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>>1634027
>So is she styling all ladylike

Well she refers to herself as "Fujiwara no Mokou", which is very aristocratic. ("Mokou of the family Fujiwara", for an english equivalent)
Also, she's a daughter of one of the 5 Lords who sought Kaguya's hand.

So yeah, she's a Lady.

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>>1634045
Unwanted daughter. It's possible that the public didn't even know she existed.

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>>1634054

Now THAT'S just fanon.

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>>1634062
>Long ago, before she became immortal, she was the daughter of an aristocrat. She wasn't allowed to go out in public, so it seems that she wasn't a wanted child.

Official profile from IN.

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>>1634054
>>1634062
But it is a compelling story.
And has delicious consequences.

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You know, for all the talk about Mokou being butch and a tomboy and such, I actually find her to be quite feminine.

Outside of the pants, she's got long flowing hair like Kaguya, and a cute girlish ribbon as well.

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>>1634027
Tomboy Mokou is fanon. She has about as good a claim to being a noble lady as Kaguya does.

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The fact that she claims to be a Fujiwara makes her about as noble as it is possible to get in Japan.

The fact that she was apparently unwanted means she wasn't forced to marry an emperor, which means that we get her instead.

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And out of curiosity, do we have any info about where she lives? I mean, I never gave it that much thought, but for some reason, I just assumed she lived and slept in the woods.

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>>1634121
Why marry the emperor when you can marry the lunar princess?

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>>1634076

Ah; I did not know that.
But you can still have an "unwanted child" to be raised like a lady, even if she's not allowed out.

>>1634079

Yes yes I loved "World" too.

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>>1634097
Kaguya has never threatened to turn a certain tengu into yakitori, though.

>>1634125
PMiSS:
>It's said she doesn't mingle with youkai or the humans from the village, but primarily lives hidden in the Bamboo Forest of Lost.

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thread needs more NEET

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>>1634125

Yes, she lives in the bamboo thicket.

She doesn't live in the village because she's gotten used to human settlements fearing and loathing her.
Also, so she can keep tabs on the nearby Eientei.

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>>1634145

But no one can stand Aya anyway.

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>>1634145
>Kaguya has never threatened to turn a certain tengu into yakitori, though.

Kaguya is much more calm than Mokou is, though.

Mokou's got a fiery temper.

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>>1634151

I wouldn't fear and loath her. Well, maybe fear, but in a good way.

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>>1634159
Cool it.

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>>1634169
There is no good way to fear your woman. You're a wimpy pussy, end of story

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>>1634159
I was listening to the Duke Nukem theme when I clicked that image.

Now I can never disassociate those two ever again.

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>>1634194
If you don't cover in the corner when she gets home, that means your woman isn't doing her job.

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>>1634169

BATS

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Because Doyora

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>>1634221

No.

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>>1634194

If your women shoots fire from every part of her body and can never die, fearing her isn't really very shameful.

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>>1634214

Congratulations, you can catch references.

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>>1634203
need sauce

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I don't care what the popularity polls say, you're still my number one princess Kaguya <3

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>>1634251

Kaguya = Infinite value.
Cannot be calculated.

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>>1634251
I was about to say she's the only princess, but then I got arrested.

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>>1634229
Okay, yeah, sure, but I wouldn't call it "good."

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>>1634304

What if it's a respectful kind of fear, like of a god or king?

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Back when Prop 8 in California was having commercial blitzes, there was this one commercial that was supposed to scare us, where a little girl came home all excited to show her mom something.

She had been given a storybook at school (elementary school) about how she could marry a princess when she grows up if she wants to (to which we viewers were supposed to be revolted and go vote Yes on 8). I immediately thought of Mokou and Kaguya, which shows how pathetic I am.

I did vow to get off my ass and vote to do a No on 8 because of it, though. Even though it still passed. It's okay, though, because Gensokyo has a lesbian governing majority that would never outlaw it ;_;

in before cool story bro

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>>1634283
Thats what you get bitch

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>>1634088
I thought 'butch' was more of a look and 'tomboy' was more of an attitude.

Mokou might be a tomboy, but she's extremely feminine in appearance with the long hair and ribbons, so she's not butch. Or do I have my terms wrong?

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>>1634356

I always thought of butch as more of a look too, but it's just that most girls that look butch are also raging lesbians.

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>>1634354
Lookin' kinda yandere there.

Guess she got tired of being "Good Cop"

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The question is how many years two women have to live together in Gensokyo to become common law waifus.

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>>1634368

You can get married under a God...

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>>1634368

Over 9000. Sorry, Keine.

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>>1634379

Really I bet Moriya Shrine would wed anybody if you give some Faith to Kanakers.

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>>1634392
Good, I'm gonna catch me a fairy.

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>>1634392
I bet a Moriya shrine wedding would be a lot more festive than a Hakurei one anyway.
Reimu would probably steal all the wedding gifts.

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>>1633746
I really want some pants like that. Seriously. Completely disregarding diaper fetishism, those pants look so awesome loose comfortable.. Wouldn't even crinkle if I put a diaper on under them.

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>>1634392
Money could get Reimu to perform one too, if she has that authority.

Reimu: *eyebrow raise* You want me to marry...

*Eirin slips 10,000 yen note slipped into donations box*

Reimu: WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR, LET'S GET STARTED

[Anonymous No.]

Needs some Touhou wedding pictures.
And throwing rice danmaku.

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Kotohime is on a different level of awesome compared to Teruyo.

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>>1634416
>>1634430

But doesn't Hakurei Shrine lack a god to be married under?

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>>1634464
Reimu could just invoke some god of lesbian fortune or something. That's her deal, isn't it?
But still be crappy. Reimu is more the town sheriff than the town priest.

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>>1634476
Sorcerers and magicians invoke whatever god they please. Priests and shrine maidens are eternally bound to one god. Reimu is almost a god unto herself, though, and doesn't seem very devoted to whatever god that happens to preside over Hakurei Shrine...

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>>1634464
Can't they just pretend Mima is one?

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>>1634489
Reimu is an athiest priestess.

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>>1634495
Mima is (was?) the closest thing Hakurei Shrine has to a patron god, I think.

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>>1634464

married for the purpose of legal status?

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>>1634501

Then they could simply be married before a Judge.

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>>1634516
She'd probably just lambast them for having premarital sex.
Probably to the cheering of all other present Touhous.

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>>1634489
>>1634497
>>1634495
Maybe the Hakurei Shrine is a shrine to the dragons that made Gensokyo? It would make sense. The dragons don't really get involved anymore, but they could have easily woven the shrine into the border as the only passing point if they wanted to retain a seat of power.

Leaving a priestess devoted(perhaps this was their mistake) to your cause and infused with your power seems like a good plan if you want a contingency plan and ever need to flee back to Gensokyo. Give her Genji to monitor her activities(though he can't anymore because he doesn't go with Reimu) and task her with keeping the place in good order.

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>>1634499

She's also an evil spirit, which makes you wonder just what kind of shrine it is.

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>>1634558
If you weren't wondering what kind of shrine it was after you saw its maiden, you'd have to be pretty dense.

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>>1634558
It's not hard to become a god in Shinto. Anything that lives long enough can eventually be considered a god if it stands up and claims to be, while it may not get it's own shrine.

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>>1634577

But you have to earn your place as god of something rather than simply being a god.

Example: while Suwako is the God of Mountains, one can earn your place as God of any individual mountain by living on it and "caretaking" it for years-to-eons.

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>>1634589
Fuck that man, too much work.

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>>1634589

However to take Suwako's place as THE God of Mountains, you would have to trump Suwako in a battle of pure power.

Not those petty Danmaku duels.

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>>1634598
She was already beaten by Kanako, so I'd imagine there are others who can beat her.

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>>1634604

You're forgetting that Kanako is a god as well.

Nothing can compare to Gods of the higher orders. Not even Dragons.

And God of the Skies is a pretty damn high order, at least in Greek beliefs.

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>>1634610

But wasn't it said somewhere that Kanako didn't beat Suwako by brute force, but by rusting the swords of Suwako's fighters, rendering them unable to fight, and that Suwako surrendered to Kanako rather than have Kanako kill all of her supporters?

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>>1634617

I really haven't read up on Mountain of Faith (WAITING FOR ZUN TO PATCH THE GAME LOL) but I suppose.

Suwako IS a terrestrial god, which means she would take her powers from Gaia (or Gaia-like entity), who was THE trump deity in effect. So she probably WOULD be more powerful than Kanako in sheer power (who would take hers from the next down, Ouranos), so it makes sense that her victory was through sabotage.

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>>1634595
This is why Yukari or Tei is considered a Youkai and not a god. Simply doesn't care to be a god.

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>>1634624

Yeah, they explain in MoF that Kanako is the face and brains of the shrine, but Suwako is the engine room of the shrine and its true goddess.

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>>1634637

So Kaguya and Mokou can basically become gods whenever, huh?

Then they can marry each other by divine right, woo.

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Divine assets.

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>>1634644

Delicious Kaguyass

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>>1634640
>>1634644
The Goddesses of Tsundere?

It doesn't get much more hardcore tsundere than the tsun part involving fights to the death.

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I love how this thread went from topless Mokou to discussions about gods.

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>>1634635

Tewi is the God of Bitch.

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>>1634640
Mokou and Kaguya may be immortal, but they haven't actually lived as long as some other beings. Moreover, they aren't quite as powerful, and finally they simply don't care to be a god because it's too much work for too little benefit.

Seriously, what's the benefit of being a god in Gensokyo? In the real world, it's huge, but there it's at best a status symbol. Attaining godhood is little more than being brighter than the competition.

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>>1634649

How about sex that literally crosses over into murder?

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>>1634659
You'll have to settle for MokaTribKick.jpg

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>>1634655
>Mokou and Kaguya may be immortal, but they haven't actually lived as long as some other beings.

Tewi has, at best, 300 years on them.
Yukari has, at best confirmed, 100 years on them.
Eirin has at least 50 years on them as well.

>Moreover, they aren't quite as powerful,

They can only get stronger with time, and the time they have is infinite. Imagine Gensokyo 10000 years past, and they'll probably have power over the Dragons.
Hell at that point Mokou would probably be the Goddess of the Eternal Sun and Kaguya would be the Goddess of Time or something like that.

>and finally they simply don't care to be a god because it's too much work for too little benefit.

They'd probably wind up doing it anyway because Gods have the benefit of making something from nothing; which will be very useful after all their friends are long since dead and/or they are very bored with forever.

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>>1634662

Same thing different filename.

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>>1634665
Being a god in Shinto isn't an ascension to a new level, it's pretty much staying the way you are only now you've got a shrine somewhere and a loli priestess willing to do what you ask. They can improve over time, yes, but in the time of Touhou they aren't much stronger than any of the other several dozen beings that live forever.

Keep in mind that most of the Youkai in Gensokyo will already live eternally. Mokou and Kaguya only have the distinct advantage of being unable to die.

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>>1634665
I thought Eirin was older than Tewi and Yukari?

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>>1634669

>Being a god in Shinto isn't an ascension to a new level, it's pretty much staying the way you are only now you've got a shrine somewhere and a loli priestess willing to do what you ask. They can improve over time, yes, but in the time of Touhou they aren't much stronger than any of the other several dozen beings that live forever.

Well certain gods have to be above/inherent over other gods; what about the creator beings who were Gods long before shrines and worshipers?
And Gods DO get stronger with Faith fueling them; therefore it would have to be a different existential state of some sort (I don't get any stronger by someone saying I'm a pretty cool guy but I may get a temporary Charisma bonus).

>Keep in mind that most of the Youkai in Gensokyo will already live eternally

Youkai die with disease, injury, or lack of using their powers. It's stated that the only reason Tewi's lived so long is that she's taken incredibly good care of herself.

Their "death", however, is more of become an inactive spirit and becoming fused with the land.

Mokou and Kaguya lack that capability, being humans.

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>>1634670

It's very, VERY vague as to how old Eirin is.

According to an uncited source, ZUN said she was upwards of 15 million years old but was very drunk when he said that.

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>>1634682
>>15 million years old
JESUS CHRIST! I think someone's got their wires crossed, because I was under the impression that she had to be AT LEAST 15,000 years old.

I was more going by the fact that she was stated as "much older" than Kaguya, and was even around when the Lunar Capital was established, which would have vastly predated when Gensokyo was established.

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>>1634674
They were the gods of creation. There is nothing inherently different in-between such a god and Rumia or Wriggle besides the obvious power gap. They did not create something from nothing, they created something by sacrificing part(or all) of themselves and their power to create the world.

With faith fueling you along with your own powers, indeed you WOULD be very strong, but you still technically would not ascend to a higher state of being. Mokou could sacrifice herself to create an everlasting sun that would never burn out, but she would still be Mokou.

Think of the difference in-between 3d and 2d. A really big 2d object still isn't 3d and a really small 3d object isn't 2d.

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>>1634696
>There is nothing inherently different in-between such a god and Rumia or Wriggle besides the obvious power gap

But there is obvious inherent differences in Humans and Youkai.
So are Youkai merely lesser (unworshiped) gods?
Because Humans have been proven to be able to transmute to Youkai (see Alice).

>Mokou could sacrifice herself to create an everlasting sun that would never burn out, but she would still be Mokou.

Well Mokou couldn't sacrifice herself to become anything since she'll resurrect. Their regeneration is on autopilot, and it can't be switched off.

>With faith fueling you along with your own powers, indeed you WOULD be very strong, but you still technically would not ascend to a higher state of being.

But what I'm saying is that a normal human who has people believing in him doesn't ACTUALLY get stronger (unless we're in the Gurren Lagannverse (or any other varied Shounenverse really)), but a God with servants praying to him would receive a LITERAL power boost.

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Dead people can become kami. All a kami is is a spirit, whether it be worldly, divine or natural. Spirits inherently have supernatural powers of course.

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>>1634759

Well Kaguya and Mokou CAN'T DIE.
Their souls recreate their bodies.

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Also, Kojiki is fanon/retcon.

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>>1634721
There isn't any inherent difference in-between a human and a youkai. They're just two different beings on the same plane of existence. Cats and dogs are different, but are still both animals.

Not exactly what I meant with Mokou. Not TECHNICALLY sacrificing her life, but instead transforming her body into a theoretical everlasting sun, utilizing the power of the Hourai Elixir.

A human that has believers(sacrifices too, maybe) DOES get spiritually stronger. Perhaps not physically stronger, but spiritually. See The Emperor of 40k fame. This kind of confusion springs from the odd nature of Gensokyo, where there is no difference in-between spiritual and physical.

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>>1634767
Not exactly sure how this works, but...

A kami can manifest themselves as a human. The emperor is a manifest kami. I assume this works by a spirit taking a human form.

Can a human with a spirit become a kami? Ghosts are considered kami of course, but they are spirits who no longer have bodies. Or rather do people exist as spirits(read soul) during their life, or can they only obtain this status after death?

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>>1634775
You're misusing the word "in-between", the word you're looking for is "between". I figured I'd help you not look like an idiot the next time you spoke.

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>>1634778
Yes, I'm aware. It's a bad habit of mine.

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>>1634775
Humans don't have any inherent supernatural powers. All humans must borrow their powers, either through worship or magic.

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>>1634783
Now we're wandering somewhere. Humans are created with a soul in real life, yes? This is their spiritual presence. The base of their supernatural power is this soul. Strengthening the soul through worship, meditation, self-sacrifice ect. can make them spiritually, but does nothing directly for the body.

Gensokyo and Touhou in general remove the key difference in-between spiritual and physical. The soul and body are the same, Yuyuko(who has a physical body) proves this.

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>>1634775
>There isn't any inherent difference in-between a human and a youkai. They're just two different beings on the same plane of existence. Cats and dogs are different, but are still both animals.

So there would still be PHYSICAL differences between a non-god and a god.
Therefore, some form of "transcendence", as Alice had to go through a(n unexplained) process to "transcend" humanity into a Youkai.

>Not exactly what I meant with Mokou. Not TECHNICALLY sacrificing her life, but instead transforming her body into a theoretical everlasting sun, utilizing the power of the Hourai Elixir.

Well, the Hourai Elixir limits that; her body CAN'T be changed in any fashion at all. She has become one instant dragged to infinity -- that's what Kaguya's power IS. Anything that "changes" her is rectified immediately.

Which, if Godhood would include a physical shift of any sort, means that they can't become gods.

>A human that has believers(sacrifices too, maybe) DOES get spiritually stronger. Perhaps not physically stronger, but spiritually. See The Emperor of 40k fame. This kind of confusion springs from the odd nature of Gensokyo, where there is no difference in-between spiritual and physical.

Technically Kaguya/Mokou are already spiritually invincible, though.

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>>1634785
The question is, when a human is created, do we take for granted there is a spiritual part of them(I'd use supernatural, but natural entities are also kami). Spiritual in this case does not me religious or any such meaning. Perhaps we can interpret it as, when someone becomes spiritual, the become in contact with a spirit, and that is why they feel spiritual, not that they have any actual spiritual essence themselves. Perhaps this is why the humans in touhouland(including those outside of gensokyo) need to worship or practice magic to gain supernatural powers. This is the concept of spirituality maybe?

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>Anything that "changes" her is rectified immediately.

ALWAYS A VIRGIN

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>>1634789
>So there would still be PHYSICAL differences between a non-god and a god.
Therefore, some form of "transcendence", as Alice had to go through a(n unexplained) process to "transcend" humanity into a Youkai.

Metamorphasis more than transcendence. In real life, this would be called "death" and IS some form of transcendence. Again, however, physical and spiritual things are the same in Gensokyo, making this changing along the same realm of existence instead of moving to a new one.

You've got me on the unchangable bodies. Should have remembered that, I suppose.

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>>1634796
You've tripped over the definition of magic. Magic is using your OWN power, your own soul, rather than consulting an outside force(which would be summoning or worship).

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>>1634789
By emperor I mean the Japanese one. Just sort of assuming since theres shinto shrines, ghosts and youkai it might just be based on the rules of Japanese kami instead of space marines?

Japanese gods are similar to Greek gods in the sense they are personified deities, and will take human form when they feel like it.

Last thing, its questionable whether flesh bound spirits can transcend, they can do it after losing their flesh. The only living god in relevance to touhou I can think of however, would be the Japanese emperor, who is a god in human form, not a human who is a god.

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>>1634805
Magic that relies on books, spells, elements, and mini-hakkeros is the type of magic that borrows strength from other sources.

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>>1634799

If they were a virgin the instant they became forever, yes.

>>1634802

>Metamorphasis more than transcendence. In real life, this would be called "death" and IS some form of transcendence. Again, however, physical and spiritual things are the same in Gensokyo, making this changing along the same realm of existence instead of moving to a new one.

How do you figure that Physical = Spiritual?

I mean, Orin and Komachi both have jobs that cater to each independently. (Orin shovels bodies, Komachi ferries souls.) Wouldn't one be put out of the job?
Also, Kaguya and Mokou themselves; their Spirits are invincible, their bodies are not.
(However, their spirits undo any change made to their bodies. They're clearly not invincible, though, as you wouldn't be able to cut them or anything.)

Aww, no Godhood for the truly undying~ :<

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>>1634805

Depends on what definition of magic you use.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FunctionalMagic

The Touhou universe is rather unique in that it just sort of throws together a whole bunch of the basic types of Functional Magic. Much like it pulls a FantasyKitchenSink in throwing together dozens of creatures from different mythological backgrounds in the same world.

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>>1634818
I don't want to have to bring out a real-life manual of magic, but I assure you that the origin of the spell's power is the magician.

Books are manuals and have little to no power in themselves unless enchanted. Spells are coordinated actions by a magician to enact a change. Elements are focusing the power on one aspect of existence. Mini-hakkero reactors are simply enchanted items to improve magic that already exists, it has no innate abilities of it's own.

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>>1634829
>real-life manual of magic

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If their bodies were totally unchangable, they'd be like statues physically and couldn't remember anything, so some degree of change is allowed.

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>>1634840

There are real-life manuals of magic. There's no requirement that the magic actually have ever *worked*.

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>>1634829
...get the fuck out.

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>>1634841

Change is allowed but is rectified FAST.

Otherwise you wouldn't be able to damage them at all: one very solidly driven point is that THEY CAN STILL BE HURT AND PAIN IS NOT FUN.
Hell, the only reason you even BEAT Mokou in IN is because she's tired of the pain.
However, it's FAST regeneration. A full-on death is revived in seconds.

>>1634843

Well there's a lot of real-life books on religion but a LOOOOOOOT of them are contradictory.

ZUN needs to work out MOAR CANON LESS FANON

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>>1634829
Besides your weird definition of magic that is not from the touhou universe. Firstly, the mini-hakkero is a source of power, and it fuels the Master Spark. It it not just an amplifier.(canon) The other fuel is magic mushrooms.(canon) The mini-hakkero does have innate abilities of its own. It one can generate heat, and two more specifically, it can act as a stove.(canon)

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>>1634821
I would like to warn we're now moving into the Abstraction Zone, where things stop making sense no matter how hard you try.

It does require some view on how spirituality in real life works, but if spiritual things can be concentrated into "bullets" that can harm the physical, then it's far different. I figured it from Yuyuko and her ghosts, who are obviously purely spiritual beings but are equally physical.

So now we're at a bit of an impasse. Death would literally be dividing the presence of a being in two, one spiritual and the other physical. But if spiritual and physical are the same, what is death?

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>>1634850
>Full on death seconds etc

Fanon or canon?

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>>1634850
I mean permanent change is required to remember anything or to become stronger. Mokou didn't know how to do all those fireworks when she drank the elixir.

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>>1634859

>I figured it from Yuyuko and her ghosts, who are obviously purely spiritual beings but are equally physical.

Aren't only the strongest of ghosts in possession of a physical form?
So it's quite simply magic; forcing your will and shaping reality to give yourself an artificial body. Yuyuko's true physical body was sealed into the Ayakashi, remember?
Yuyuko's new body would be spiritual and physical, but it's sustained by her spirit solely. Should her spirit pass on to the River Sanzu, her body would VANISH and not pass on to the Furnaces of the Former Hell.

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>>1634862

Did you even play Imperishable Night's Extra Stage?
She DIES after every spell card!

>>1634864

Spiritual change is still allowed. Spiritual damage is not.
Souls can remember things; it's how Earthbound Ghosts are retained, so that fixes the memory deal.
They can still have changes of ideas (like how Kaguya and Mokou are slightly less murderous at each other after Reimu helps them settle to a sort-of conclusion) and so on.

[Anonymous No.]

You people talk a lot.
Don't you realize you don't have forever like Mokou?

[Anonymous No.]

Spend forever with me~

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>>1634878
I don't really remember seeing anyone die while playing touhou...

>It's said she could be regenerated if even a single hair remains.
>Power of not dying
>She possesses a body that doesn't age and cannot be destroyed.
>Such a body heals unusually quickly, and even critical injuries will be completely healed in a matter of days
>Now she is unable to die, at least not permanently

Its really hard to take all of these things at face value too

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>>1634897
I'd spend my forever with her, if you know what I mean.

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>>1634890
I'd my forever with him, if you know what I mean.

[Anonymous No.]

There are many contradictory statements even in canon.

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>>1634904

>I don't really remember seeing anyone die while playing touhou...

After EVERY on of Mokou's spell cards, you see that big flashy rainbow explosion meaning "enemy has suffered impairing damage", which you normally only see once you beat a person's FINAL spell card. When they would normally give up from being hurt too hard.

>It's said she could be regenerated if even a single hair remains.
Actually Alice rectifies that even if she were to be COMPLETELY destroyed, Mokou's soul would recreate her body from nothing. - IN Magic Team's Extra.
>Power of not dying
That's just granted by the Hourai Elixir.
>She possesses a body that doesn't age and cannot be destroyed.
Hourai!
>Such a body heals unusually quickly, and even critical injuries will be completely healed in a matter of days
Alice also portrayed it as much faster (any damage would be healed instantly). She was also the one who did active research on the Hourai Elixir, unlike Akyu's notorious conjecturing.
>Now she is unable to die, at least not permanently

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>>1634920

Most coming from Akyu.

People are schived as to accept Akyu's statements as ZUN's word-of-god retcon or waive it as her being notoriously inaccurate.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>1634691

Knowing it's a waste of time when it comes to fictional characters, but having a little time to waste, tried sorting out just how old Eirin really is. Or rather, how old she'd be judging from the characters she's based on.

Eirin seems to have spent most of the time on the moon between the establishment of the Lunar Capital and the Tale of the Bamboo Cutter. In an unusual adherence to legend from ZUN's side, there is little trace of Eirin-like characters in mythology during that period.

Chang'e (Chang'o) exists in Touhou canon, as she's the whole reason the lunar kingdom exists. As with all legends the dates are unclear, but the legend of Chang'e dates from at least 2000 BC.
Qibo, the royal doctor of the Yellow Emperor's court, is said to have been taught medicine by a celestial being - namely one with an inifitely prolonged lifespan. While those were both male, we all know Japanese culture isn't really that picky when it comes to the gender of legendary characters. 2400 BC.
There are others, but that's about as far back as it goes without becoming too far fetched.

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>>1634924
>It takes one state of existence (the state you were in when you drank the Hourai Elixir)

So you can't drink the Elixir to save your life?
As drinking when, say, bleeding out due to a wound, would just give you an EVERLASTING bleeding wound?

That would SUCK.

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>>1634939
Looks like some mortals aren't meant to drink the elixir after all.

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>>1634665
>they'll probably have power over the Dragons.
Flandre will be so pissed to hear this...

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>>1634924
>hurt too bad

Extras are hard enough for me, I really don't pay attention to that sort of thing. Anyways, assuming that its canon that all bosses you defeat die.

>She is proof of the existence of the legendary medicine... So, it exists after all.

Alice didn't even know if the medicine existed, so what then were her comments based on besides speculation and conjecture?

>Immortality is like casting away the physical body.Only the soul becomes invincible, it's constantly reborn in new flesh.Souls don't have a particular size, so they can freely create another body.By contrast, I guess that any body without a soul perishes rather quickly...?

This does not exactly coincide with the concept of regeneration of the body, but rather the generation of a new one.

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>>1634954

Flandre would probably get Belmonted or Hellsinged before 10000 years.

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>>1633879

My favorite fan-wrote description of Mokou's combat technique is this.

Takin' hotblooded to a literal scale, cho.

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>>1634968

>Extras are hard enough for me, I really don't pay attention to that sort of thing. Anyways, assuming that its canon that all bosses you defeat die.

They all typically have a concussion or two. Regardless, typically they end at the point where they think continuing would threaten their life. Since Mokou continues a long, long way past that first spell card... She would probably be dead at least a few times over.

>Alice didn't even know if the medicine existed, so what then were her comments based on besides speculation and conjecture?

Research of magical theory and medicine, more rather. One can research a "mythical" item, knowing the magics that work it. She probably did not, however, know of Kaguya's Eternity Manipulation.

>This does not exactly coincide with the concept of regeneration of the body, but rather the generation of a new one.

Same-difference.
It's concluded that since Kaguya's power imbues a "standstill" in a person, it's not generating or regenerating; it's reWINDING and reverting the damage to the "standstill" point.

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>>1634994
If its mythical however, how can you determine how much is myth? Also perhaps if what the flash represents is a point near death its some regeneration rather than full death? She also was in physical pain at the end, I think, so that would indicate she didn't regenerate back to full health, but maybe just enough to keep fighting.

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>>1635009

I really don't know at this point.

It's really hard to tell what you get with ZUN.

Anyway I'm going to go play IN now because I'm tired of talking about it.

Border Team FTW tiny hitboxes fuck yeah

[Anonymous No.]

>>1635026
You get a drunk mans interpretation of a world where men fight epic battles, turned lolicon magic danmaku tea parties.