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[Anonymous No.]

New Shiki vs Shirou thread because the last one is on autosage and I still think you faggots are wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

Shiki > Shirou

/thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577305
It wasn't supposed to be Shiki vs Shirou.
Anyway, PASTA TIME.


eriously, you guys are fucking stupid.

The match would probably be a draw because:
1. To use "Unlimited Blade Works" It requires that a spell be chanted. Since the two of them fight at melee distance, it would be very difficult to perform.
2. Since both of them are human, they're (believe it or not) on about on an equal playing field. Considering that Shirou's swords are projections,
they will undoubtedly have flaws which result in the lines of death becoming visible. But, Shirou can recreate as many swords as mana permits while Shiki can only keep his eyes strained for so long.
3. No shikifags, Nanaya mode won't kick in. Shirou is human.
4. Yes Shiroufags, unlimited blade works can be destroyed. UBW is just a reality (environment) contained within a barrier, so Shiki can kill it (Reread Ciel's route).

I can imagine the fight now! Two guys with no real strategy rushing head on at one another. Projecting swords over and over again just to have the lines cut,

[Anonymous No.]

You know what? Shirou can reinforce his penis .. therefor he wins. /thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577309
This man is a genius.

[Anonymous No.]

They both die. Next?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577306
lolno

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577309
Shiki cut the lines off premature ejaculation and other penis ailments.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577322
lol wut

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577309
Shiki dots Shirou's dick. Shirou dies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577334
Thats a low blow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577334
>Shiki dots Shirou's dick
If you know what I mean.

[Anonymous No.]

Shiki is a better protagonist and is in a better VN therefore Shiki>Shirou
BTW Shiki has more (superior)girls.

[Anonymous No.]

Shiki can kill an orgasm.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577348 Shiki has more (worse)girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577348
Yeah, well thats, like, your opinion, man.

[Anonymous No.]

Shiki kills Shirou's concept of an erection. Shirou becomes impotent. Everyone leaves him to die alone and sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577353
BAD END

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577353
But trying to comprehend the idea of Shirou's erection would break Shiki's brain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577353
>>1577359
So it ends in stalemate, eh?

[Anonymous No.]

Wow, It's been a long time since I've seen one of these.

[Anonymous No.]

Unlimited Faggot Works is Unlimited and Faggot.

Shiki can cut you into next freaking Tuesday.

/thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577366
Just like Nasu said!

[Anonymous No.]

I haven't played the games, and I don't get it.
So, Shirou can create any weapon he can imagine, and Shiki can [nearly instantly] kill/destroy anything he can see that gets within arms reach.
Is that about correct?

If that's so, could Shirou create a laser cannon, or, failing that, a really large halogen heater, to roast Shiki where he stands? Or would Shiki just kill the heat rays?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577522
He can create mostly blade weapons.
He can't create grenades and just bomb the fuck out of his opponents.

If he could create long-range weapons in a flash, it would not even be a debate.

[Anonymous No.]

Shirou traces a noble phantasm.

Shiki kills it, then kills Shirou.

Shiki dies of brain exploding.

FIGHT OVER

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577522
shirou can only make swords

[Anonymous No.]

Well unless Shirou is some kind of genius of physics I doubt he'd understand the concept behind a gatling laser and project it.

[Anonymous No.]

Oh. Well, in the anime he was mass producing kerosene lamps, or something, so I thought... okay, how about spring loaded things and crossbows?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577535
bows and arrows are long-distance weapons right?

[Anonymous No.]

His weapon tracing is a result of his reality marble, aka a world that is the expansion of his soul.

Living his life as a sword, his world is one surrounded by such.
Hence. Unlimited Blade Works.

Not Unlimited Weapons in General Works.

[Anonymous No.]

But he can project things different from blades, even defensive gears, though it'll cost him much more mana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577554

Grabbing a sword and throwing it can be long distance too.
And overloading it with magical Energy makes it a bomb.
You should get the difference between these and guns.

[Anonymous No.]

Okay, I get it, swords only.

How about these homing thrown swords Archer used against Berserker?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577559
Archer has ONLY one Defensive spell.
ONE. And it's not part of his bladeworks.

The other effect of Unlimited Blade Works is that Materials for tracing exist in abundance, hence he could trace a pan or pot, but that's not an existing part of his world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577561
He could probably learn to use them, but the Kid is still inexperianced.
If he can learn to throw these with the Same skill and Precision, it becomes an Archer vs Shiki debate which is not even a contest.

[Anonymous !wM5G0xiB/Q No.]

>>1577535
>>1577555
Well, I think with enough training and mana he should be able to create bow. Because he was in archery club, he knows how bows work and would be able to use one. Also in anime (and I think it was also in game) he was able to "reinforce" a woden stick into bow and arrow..

[Anonymous No.]

If T.Shiki's eyes are really like R.Shiki's eyes, he should be able to kill lasers and even danmaku.

[Anonymous No.]

Don't mind me...

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577587
It's more about being fast enough to hit a goddamn lightspeed laser shot, rather than 'killing' it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577590
You're not Shirou, because you are SUPERIOR.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577572
What if he learned them, but without this strenght and precission (so he's still only Shirou, just with homing missiles).
Or better yet, something scaled down, like homing ninja throwing knives, and then launched a couple (a couple hundred) so that they'd hit Shiki simultaneously, from different angles?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577597
NOT ENOUGH MANA TO DO THAT

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577599
Okay, so just a couple of knives, attacking from the front, back, left, right and up, and a couple combinations of these directions.

[Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A No.]

>>1577597
Wouldn't matter, because Shiki would kill Shirou before his attack could land, therefore invalidating it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577605
Shirou is not athletic enough to pull something off so complicated. And Shiki is definitely athletic enough to just dodge them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577305
newfag here, sauce of the doujin?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577614
Type Moon Complex X?

[Anonymous No.]

lets look at it this way

reaction - shiki > shirou
magic - shirou > shiki
atheletic - shiki > shirou
abilities - shirou > shiki
harem - shiki > shirou
long range combat - shirou > shiki
melee - shiki > shirou

so basically, if shiki gets close, shirou's fucked, does depend if its normal shiki or nanaya though, if its normal shiki he'd be a pussy and not fight at all, shirou wont bother fighting as well

if its nanaya vs shirou, thats a different battle

shiki vs shirou - shirou

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577622
HF Shirou definitely wins.
MUCHO boosted physical abilities and projections of a much higher lever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577622
But Shirou would never start a fight with long-range weapons. And that alone makes it easier for Shiki.

[Anonymous No.]

Shiki would beat Shirou in a fist fight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577631
Shirou can take his beating though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577630
if it was hf/ubw shirou, he could probably throw weapons/ use as projectiles in someway, just like archer did

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577629
But HF Shirou is cheating. Archer Arm + massive upgrading of Shirou with magecraft does that.

If you gave Shiki those, even just magecraft, it'd be over for Shirou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577637
Shirou wouldn't start with long-range weapons against a guy with a dinky knife.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577633
I don't think Shirou's any tougher than Arihiko, though. I mean if we look at actual toughness, Shiki was able to fight on with a gaping hole in his belly, Shirou... well, not so much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577645
...Have you even played F/SN?

One of the common grounds of Nasu's protagonists it's the fucking pain they have to deal with, the ridiculous wounds they suffer and the curses/sickness outside of battle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577645
thats more like nanaya aint it? the whole atheletic and hyper reaction thing belongs ot nanaya, shiki himself cant do that right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577649
But Shiki suffers more pain than Shirou would on a normal day, even more during a fight, and yet Shiki is able to continue on even with a lethal wound. Shirou dies and is saved by AVALON.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577651
No. Nanaya is the mindset to pull off inhuman acts. But that doesn't change how normally tough Shiki is, or how athletic he is. Becoming Nanaya doesn't change Shiki physically at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577651
...The body belongs to ONE man.
Nanaya is not a separate personality.

Either when he has to defend himself from certain death, or when he simply decides to kill, he uses his instinctual knowledge and well-formed from inbreeding body to do what he does.

Shiki always has GREAT reactions (defending himself during various occasions) and can in theory always move faster then eyes can follow, he just doesn't have to outside of fights.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577654
Protip: Having your shoulder fucking cut off, and still trying to continue and fight, while the fucking flesh is till mending SHOULD be painful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577651
Shiki is able to OHKO Arihiko in half-a-flash, even sans Nanaya mode.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577663
Yeah, because Shiki wasn't being munched down by beasts before he decided to go batshit.

Oh wait.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577308

>The fight goes on for about five minutes before Shirou is out of mana and Shiki is lying on the ground with his brain pounding in his skull like a piston.
One is incapacitated and one is just out of magichax.

Shirou kicks Shiki's skull in on the ground.
Shirou wins.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577666
Jeez, are you seriously trying to compare the pain?
They both go through stuff that would normally kill a normal person just from the shock and shut down his fucking brain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577667
It won't happen that way. Once Shiki is in range, he'll only need to cut several more NPs before he actually cuts off Shirou's hands off while grabbing Shirou's head and twisting it off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577669
Look at the fucking post I replied to. And besides, it was mending itself. Shiki didn't have that luxury and just kept on losing blood, while already being anemic because Roa was still alive then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577675
Do you have ANY fucking idea how painful is to have BONES reset, for example?
Also, with big wounds your nerves are sometimes dumbed, aka you do not feel pain.
Imagine the nerves repairing themselves after a big wound.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577679
If you feel pain, it means you're still alive. Shiki was fighting on the verge of death and after being munched on, that should have caused a lot of hurt as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577681
Of course it would.
Notice that I'm not saying Shiki has it easy .
You just keep saying 'Psaw, SHirou doesn't suffer as much', which is stupid

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577679
Dude, they're repairing themselves. It shouldn't hurt half as much as ones that don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577684
No, I'm saying Shiki is half-dead and is still fighting. Shirou, when half-dead, is just dead before he is revived by Avalon.

It's not even a matter of pain but toughness.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577684
I think he's talking about toughness, not pain tolerance. That Shiki keeps on fighting even in the verge of death, but Shirou just dies when he gets stabbed hard or gets disemboweled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577693
Yeah, Shirou is the weak one for dying when he's killed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577703

People kill when they are dyed.

[Anonymous No.]

Taku enters the fight,creates over 9000 delusions in their brains and kills them with a Seira-Tan figure.
/thread

[Anonymous No.]

ようこそ! この素晴らしき惨殺空間へ!

[Anonymous No.]

best self-insert character or bestest self-insert character?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577730
Worst self-insert character.
Doesn't feel like that at all.

[Anonymous No.]

Shiki has spider senses from being a Nanaya.

[Anonymous No.]

SCREW THE POWER LEVEL DISCUSSION
TSUKIHIME AND F/SN ARE BOTH ERO GAMES
WE SHALL JUDGE THE 2 CHARACTERS BY HOW MANY WOMAN/QUALITY OF SEX THEY HAVE

GO

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577752
Shiki actually gets to bone his loli, so that alone crowns him the winner.

[MolesterJim No.]

>>1577752

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577715
A challenger appears.
Taku VS Shirou Vs Tohno.

[Anonymous No.]

What would happen if we switched Tohno for Nanaya(Nightmare), and put him against Shirou.

Think that would tip the scale in anyone's favor?

[Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A No.]

>>1577870
In Shirou's, of course, because dream Nanaya Shiki doesn't have the eyes.

[Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo No.]

>>1577873
Dream Nanaya doesn't need the Eyes to kill Shirou. Know why?

Because when Shirou is cooking one day to feed all of the sloths that inhabit his house, he'll reach for a cupboard to get something out of it.

At that moment, Dream Nanaya will spring from that little cupboard and slice him into a dozen pieces, then strike a disinterested pose and crash through a window to escape from the retaliation of killing the Kiritusugu household's chef.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577873

Nanaya doesn't need the eyes though. The guy's fast enough to run on walls and shit and can change directions and dodge like a motherfucker.

Shirou would be dead mid-projection. He's actually better off fighting normal Shiki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577752
COME ON MAN, SHUT THE HELL UP

THIS THREAD IS ENOUGH SHITSTORM AS IT IS.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A No.]

>>1577900
But regular Shiki can do the same damn thing, only plus eyehax. You realize that, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577870
Nanaya would go kyokushi up his and kill him in a second.

I mean, he kill Shiki Tohno with that skill.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577305
Sauce on op

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577923
rs for Type Moon Complex X. Also, learn to speak coherently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577912

It'd happen sooner though.

[HMA Meme Fan of /prog/ (invented 20+ /prog/ memes) No.]

Shirou is a weakling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1577912
No he fucking can't .. every time he has done any of that shit is when the Nanaya persona takes over. I'm sure if he trained he would be able to do it like Satsujinki but the Shiki from Tsukihime .. no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578678
He did crazy things when fighting Satsuki, I don't think Nanaya was in control of him then.

[Anonymous No.]

no one postet the image of Shiki killing UBW yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578705
Go check the 200+ post thread before this one I think its there.

[Anonymous No.]

Powerlevel threads the only thing worse than Yukkuri threads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578696
Melty Blood is not canon

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578713
What about kigurumi, Aya, travel, Japanese help, etc. threads?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578713
lol no

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578718
She was in Tsukihime as well, but pretty easy to miss.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578723
So basically /jp/ = 100% shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578734
OH HI THERE OP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578736
She was? Wait who are we talking about again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578678
In Arc's path, he was pretty much on his own when he kicked Roa's ass.
Same for SHIKI in Akiha's.

The 'Nanaya' takeover people spout of is what happens with Nero, Roa in Ciel's path, and Akiha in KOHAKU BAD END, aka abandoning all other thoughts and processes just to kill the opponent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578667
He could if he would remember all the training he recieved when he was still a Nanaya.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

100 replies of shitposting and trolling and POWERLEVALAN.

And people call us tripfags shitposters. Blind leading the blind...

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578754
This was the best thread today.

[Anonymous No.]

Holy ass, you had to create a new thread solely for powerlevel discussion? Weekend /jp/ truly is the worst.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578748
I thought Shiki's dad was planning on ending the whole assassin thing with Shiki and never really trained him.

the cool thing about Nanaya's is that they're fucking inbred psychics. Which is probably why Shiki has an ungodly sense of danger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578754
The problem relies on posters who bring up arguments of the like 'He didn't mention THIS could not happen, so unless he specifically mentions it cannot, I'll consider it possible', instead of basing their arguments on what has ACTUALLY been revealed/confirmed.

ANd of course, these threads attract trolls, much more than a Yukkuri thread would.

Try to have a One Piece discussion on /a/, concerning what happened in the latest chapter (simple endeavor, right) and see waht happens.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578771
Kiri did train Shiki the basics of Nanaya fighting. The genetics is also the basis why Shiki never trains and is still in tip top shape like a motherfucking pro-athlete.

And in Shiki's mind, he's learned the ultimate move of the Nanaya, but doesn't really remember it well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578748
What training? Shiki's dad didn't do shit with him the only thing that got passed down was the Nanaya personality they all have from their inbreeding shit.
>>1578751
Shiki has never run on walls and shit without the Nanaya persona.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578773
It's because Nasu hinted that Shiki can be released from his limits. We just don't know how.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578740
OP isnt about killing UBW at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578758
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578790
Shiki runs on walls ONCE during the whole fucking game, during a bad end.

Retarded argument.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>1578805

Well, at least the Akiha cosplayer got something right

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578812
;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578812
Hand pose.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578806
>and shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578790
Kiri did train Shiki. For self-defense. But never the hardcore stuff. Shiki did see the ultimate move of the Nanaya but it was just that, a faint memory.

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>1578820

Almost there! You can do it, Anon!

[MolesterJim No.]

>>1578823
The nose?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578823
CHEST. THE FUCKING CHEST.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578823
Trick question. It's all perfect.

[Anonymous Jones ‮[8-FTU] ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !TapsqdZp4A No.]

>>1578870
DOHOHOHOHO

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578870

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>>1578870

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578918
Who the fuck is that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578940
...

[Anonymous No.]

holy shit, this is pathetic

[Anonymous No.]

>>But HF Shirou is cheating. Archer Arm + massive upgrading of Shirou with magecraft does that.

yeah but he could use the archer arm only few times, each use was killing him more. that's why his body dies at the end, and he projected like 5-6 or so weapons at most.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1578940

jpeg artifacts-tan

[Anonymous No.]

Tohno Shiki is Nanaya Shiki.
There is no line there separating them really, beyond Tohno Shiki being afraid of Nanaya Shiki.
If T.Shiki accepts himself as being N.Shiki, he can do some serious shit even against normal humans.
T.Shiki wants to be a regular human.
N.Shiki wants to be a crazed killer.

By extension, T.Shiki wants to be a crazed killer.
and N.Shiki wants to be a normal human.

Even Kiri eventually wanted to settle down and stop all the assassin stuff, because he's still a human despite all the inbreeding.
That makes Nanaya Shiki also a human, who thinks with a human mind and works with a human body, albeit at the maximum potential a human could be.

Nanaya's body is Tohno's body, but Nanaya's mind isn't the same as Tohno's. Except it is, because they're the same person, it's just Shiki wanting to separate himself from the idea that he is more than just a normal person.