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>New Player Guide/FAQ:
http://pastebin.com/Zcavai8x

>Mods:
http://pastebin.com/vZ8Hfw6C

>For videos of the Elona spin-off Noa is developing:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0iAe-PJR8MiRcpifYx8Y_g

>> No.15722221
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15722221

You did it!

>> No.15722222

Posted this in the last thread if I summon ehekatl will she disappear if I leave?

>> No.15722272

>>15722222
If you invite her to your home, she'll live with you now
until you kick her out that is

>> No.15722428
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15722428

Anyone have a defender as an endgame pet? Do lay hand/absolute protect come in handy? Is it too late to start training one if my little girl already has these stats?

>> No.15722897

How do I get ehekatl to join my party without going into wizard mode?

>> No.15723182

>>15722897
Astral Pen her. Hope you're not doing it thinking you'll get an amazingly powerful pet. The god recruitment penalty hits extremely hard and the abilities they had are removed or nerfed

>> No.15723243

>>15723182
All I care about is getting ehekatl I'm probably obsessed at this point, guess I'll wish that light pen savescumming cause I'm impatient

>> No.15723318

>>15723243
Need to meet to requirements to use the pen as well

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Astral_Light_Pen

>> No.15723586

Is there any way to change the sprite of a pet to another one with a given id? I know it's possible without specifying the id by using the 'user graphic' boxes, but I don't want to change those.

>> No.15723951

>>15723586
I'm not quite sure what you are asking for, but you can change your sprites without editing the character.bmp sheet by placing sprites in the 'user > graphic' directory and renaming them pic_02 to pic_16 for single-tile sprites or pic_17 to pic_32 for the double-tile large sprites. Alternatively use chara_661-676 or chara_677-693 for the same effect. Make sure you are using .bmp format for either method.

>> No.15724070

Could somebody help me out? I'm having trouble updating to the latest build (Elona+ 1.61) because whenever I talk to my pet, the game crashes. I updated my save at my home. I've tried resetting my pet's AI through the Discarded Ranch and Doujou, recalling through Call Familiar, making my pet get killed by a strong god enemy in the Void and resurrecting her in town and with the spell, resetting her AP feats at Leold, and asking Ehekatl nicely to fix my save file, but to no avail. I think I've narrowed it down to the atmosphere files (graphic2), so has anyone else experienced this problem or have any solutions?

>> No.15724251

>>15722206
I'm on my way to obtain the final reward from the Element god.
What god should i do next and which one should i go for last? I'm playing as a wizard.

Also i got a business card, should i change my class into Warmage? As i understood it changes only the feat and not potential growth.

>> No.15724298

>>15724251
Do Kumi next, vegetables aren't hard to obtain if you've got your farms running already. If not, Jure or Opatos, because you run across junk stones and mika pretty frequently anyway. Since you're a wizard, go for Itzpalt as your last god or Kumi if you're using Magic Device.

Yes, you should change to Warmage. MP shouldn't be a problem at this point, and spell stock is more valuable if you haven't joined the mages' guild yet. Though, it would be nice if you gave a bit more details on your build.

>> No.15724312

>>15724298
>did itzpalt first
fug.
Oh well, an additional 10.000 turns of punishment can't be that bad in the long run

>> No.15724323

Are there any doujins/writans/original content featuring Elona, other than the semiofficial 4koma? It's a shame it's not more popular...

>> No.15724639
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15724639

Just found this bad boy.
How does the invoke work? Is it based off the weapon's die or my own Mind Bolt spell?
Does the amount of # indicate strength or just chance to fire?

Is it possible to get a good [#####]+ spell enhance on it?

>> No.15724978

>>15724639
Based on the weapon. The # for Mind Bolt indicate power in this case. It's possible to get good spell enhance by leveling it or doing artifact fusion. Your choice in that matter.

>> No.15725180

>>15724978
Correction, since it's invoke it's chance not power

>> No.15725203

Hey Kai if you're in this thread what class are you? I know you're eulderna for race but I think you renamed your class?

>> No.15725414

How can I make an hostile NPC soul mate?

>> No.15725926

>>15725414
Incognito spell, scroll, or disguise kit. Then booze em.

>> No.15725958

>>15725926
Thanks!

>> No.15725984

>>15725958
That's assuming you mean hostile NPCs with Foe / Hate relationship though. I don't know if you can make bosses or whatever allies.

You'll need a lot of charisma. It's hard to raise NPC relationship after Friend. It'd be a good idea to make friends with a bunch of adventurers so they occasionally give you gifts and tokens of friendships that you can gift yourself to raise relationship.

>> No.15726426

>>15725203
My character Kai is Eulderna/Predator. Eulderna gave me casting skills and the attributes to play as a caster hybrid of my choosing which in this case I wanted to do Martial Arts and Caster. The Predator class gives me +10 speed and more crit chance. Since martial artists get most of their damage out of critical hits with that damage cascading into attribute damage, that crit chance from the Predator class helps me out. Renamed the Predator class at character creation for fluff reasons. Always imagined that my character would be able to shatter bones, set enemies on fire, or burst their organs regardless of how strong they were so I changed the name of my class to the breaker.

>> No.15726752

I recall someone a few threads ago say you can change what your attacks fluff. Where can I change my attack description? Can I also do the same for my pets?

>> No.15726777

>>15726752
Might be the dojo thing but the wiki says it's only available if you're playing in Japanese.

>> No.15726849

>>15726777
How do I change my game to Japanese? Do I Just have to change the language or do I need to launch the game for the first time again? Also will it take English characters and save it when I turn back to English?

>> No.15726936

>>15726849
You can change your language in the options. Not sure about the other thing you ask. Might as well see for yourself. Anyhow here's the wiki page talking about flavor text.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Doujou

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>>15726936
So I got it in 1.60.1 Custom. The way I got to it was kind of weird though since I wasn't thinking it would work so I don't know if it works normally. I changed my language to Japanese. Then I put a pet into training. From there I got 4 options to choose instead of the usual 2 when I talked to the trainer. I could change to English again. 3rd option is to change cast style. 4th option was for melee style. I changed my strikes but I was hoping to be able to change it to custom text. I just posted the image incase any translators were to be interested. "Punch and kick" option's line of string is kind of broken where there isn't a space between punch.

>> No.15728994

If a pet has no hands, will he be able to dish full martial arts damage and train the skill properly?

>> No.15729702

>>15728994
Yes.
Check the Dinosaur race. No hands and full potential.

>> No.15730243

At what level i should start doing the main quest?

Is there any place where i can store my gold or food cargo? kinda getting tired of having to surrender at bandits, at about what level i can kill them

>> No.15730490

>>15730243
15-20
You can store your gold in Kitty Banks.

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>>15730243

>> No.15730764

How can I teach a spell or a skill to a pet?

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>>15730564
Fucking Arma was bulling me because I had no teleport rod but I managed to fuck her over thanks to timestop bullets. When she turned on her fury it wasn't that hard.

Also nice memes.

>> No.15731041

>>15730564
This Loyter fella seems like a fine chap. I should follow him on twitter.

I remember how I stopped being bullied by bandits. The last time I was at Port Kapul I made sure to buy unmarked anon boxes full of doggy dildos, loli dakimakuras, half eaten raw panties, cum stained doujins, and used onaholes.

When the bandits waiting outside town came to rob me I willingly gave over the goods and took pictures of the bandits ripping apart the packages in glee to see what loot they got. I spread the photos all over internet and the bandits lost all street cred as everyone laughed at them for being such degenerate nerds.

>> No.15731082

>>15730764
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:AnnaBannana/New_Features_in_Elona_Custom_1.51.4

>> No.15731083

Assorted Custom PCC Pack doesn't work for me. It fucks up the faces. Am I doing something wrong?

>> No.15731105

>>15731082
Thanks.
Now I just need to break my head to make pets do the correct things.

>> No.15731252

Hello cuties, I played a while ago, what's this elona custom thing about?

>> No.15731277

>>15731252
Her blog says it best however this particular link doesn't have the most up to date Custom. Check the pastebin or the Elona wiki forums for the most current.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:AnnaBannana/Elona_Custom

>> No.15731396

>>15731252
It's made by girl with boobies but she don't want to show it. Don't you think it's weird? She absolutely doesn't understand what kind of next update everyone wants.

>> No.15731500

>>15731396
She's done well in my book as far as giving people what they want. Since she's busy I'm glad to as much progress as there has been.

>> No.15731507

>>15731500
*glad to see

Anyhow, it seems she does take people's suggestions for what they want in the update as well. Think there were a couple of polls here and there people participated in.

>> No.15731630

>>15731396
Don't know about you but all I ever wanted was better translations. I've certainly gotten that so I'm happy. Compared to what we had before, this certainly is very welcome.

>> No.15732002

>>15731277
>>15731396
Neat, can I create my martial arts character and become a master of EVERYTHING? I didn't get far last time I played. Also, should my god be the wealth one, considering that the coin is the only one that fits this martial artist build? Or do I still go for wind god?

>> No.15732111

Is it possible that your starting stats affects your future stats potential?

>> No.15732187

>>15732002
Don't see why you couldn't. Anyhow, there's a martial artist guide in the pastebin. Think Kai said Kumiromi and Jure were his picks. Kumiromi for his stamina regen because he uses lots of special actions and Jure because of powerful heal.

>> No.15732322

>>15732111
Attribute potential is mostly on the player to sort out. If you're talking about how some attributes are higher than others you're kinda in control of that through what you grind out. Player starting attributes is largely affected by race and class combo and you can see this when you roll your attributes at character generation. Whether those attributes stay higher than other attributes or not really depends on how the player grinds and the diet of the character.

>> No.15732402

>>15732187
I wonder, please do tell, just HOW important is my class in my monk build, I mean, I'm torn between golem and yerles, I know golems are the only ones immune to dim, and their massive stats, but is it really that big of a deal? Can't I just make up for the stats with grinding them as a yerle?

>> No.15732442

>>15732402
I don't know. I've always played the race I thought was interesting without really giving any thought to power gaming. Although, judging from the fact that the author of the martial artist guide is playing a Eulderna, I'm guessing he went with what worked for him. Don't think Eulderna is the most physical gifted based race there is. You would think a beefier race would be a more optimum choice for a martial artist. Regardless, he's still doing very well for himself.

>> No.15732467

>>15732402
Starting stats don't matter, all that matters is race and class. No melee-oriented race besides snail and mutant will dramatically alter your playstyle, and class is changeable when you find a Business Card.

>> No.15732477

Best way to raise skill potentials en masse?

I'm doing good on skills I use frequently but I hate seeing 30%s even in my skill list.

>> No.15732481

>>15732477
Blessed growth scrolls.

>> No.15732576

>>15732402
If you read the guide, I think what he's trying to say is certain races will have an easier time early game with the obstacles that tend to come up for a physical based character which is what a MA is. He does preface what he says that you can choose any race and still be a successful martial artist if you work at it though. So if you want to play as a Yerles go ahead. The guide did say they were a solid choice too.

>> No.15733764

>>15731021
Mind if I ask which character sprite sheet your using?

>> No.15733792

>>15733764
Not him, but I think he's using the Monster Girl one.
I can recognize that ass.

>> No.15733801

Any drawbacks to gene engineering standard body parts on my new fire dragon child? Kinda wanna make her use heavy armor.

>> No.15733803

>>15733801
If you go over 13 bodyparts it loses 5% speed

>> No.15733805

>>15733801
Useless skills or excesive limbs (speed penalty).

>> No.15733848

>>15733792
I thought that at first, but some of the other sprites seem to be swapped out for stuff from the angry sheet or something else.

I was curious because even though I liked some of the monster girl sprites (like dat ass) the others seemed a bit over waifu for me. Which I guess is the point but whatever.

>> No.15734048

>>15733803
>>15733805
Is 13 bodyparts the limit for all races before penalties start applying?

>> No.15734058

>>15734048
Yes.
You go over 13? 5% less speed for you.

>> No.15734233

So i've used a business card to change from wizard to warmage.
Does the class feat work always or only in response to penalties (shields etc)?

>> No.15734375
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15734375

Tweak that lets you grab items from the Pet Arena when?

>>15734233
You can't negate spellcast penalties, it'll only raise cast chance if it's below 100% before the penalties.

>> No.15734435

>>15733792
>>15733848

Is that the famous shena ass?

>> No.15734763

>>15734435
Yep

>> No.15734969
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The struggle to cap is real. Similar thing that happened when I capped casting is happening to me trying to cap MA. At 1,523 MA you can't get any increases to skill if your potential drops below 260. At around 1,500 MA you can't get any increases to your skill if your potential drops below 300. Now at around 1,800 MA I can't get any increase to skill if my potential drops below 360.

At this level growth scrolls can be literally be converted into 1 skill point. I just need to have my potential higher than 360 to gain exp however as soon as I get that increase to skill my potential drops below 360. To say the least, I've been making frequent runs to the trainer. Might use bonus skill points to cap the skill since I have the goal to cap this by the end of the week. Arguably, as far as dice is concerned, my fists are now stronger than any weapon in the game. Including inner god weapons. Passed 2d200 somewhere in the 1500 range.

>> No.15734978

>>15734969
>At 1,523 MA
*1,300 MA

>> No.15735409

Why are none of the spritepacks updated yet? On the pastebin they're all 1.60.1 or lower

>> No.15735470

>>15735409
Because my auto-updating script isn't working properly. Sorry about that, they should display the correct version now.

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>>15733764
>>15733792
>>15733848
Mostly from other's sprite sheets but some are from random images and shit.

>> No.15735662

Why does my cat only have 41 breed power in a ranch?

>> No.15735695

>>15735662
Heck, my shade is level 12 but it has the same breed power as it would if it were level 28!
What the fuck?

>> No.15735768

How do I tame a silver cat?

>> No.15735769

>>15735662
>>15735695
Comments on the wiki seem to indicate the breed power page might be showing the values for vanilla Elona instead of Elona+. Maybe the page needs an Elona+ tab or editing as some of the values may have changed.

>> No.15735777

>>15735768
Monster ball it or use the spell or rod of domination.

>> No.15735782

>>15735777
Alright, thanks senpai.

>> No.15735874

yooo i came back and i see this Elin thing looking real good
when is the estimate date release

>> No.15735892

>>15735874
Noa is planning some early access thing at the end of the year but whether or not that happens is up in the air at the moment. The key word here is early access, that means don't expect some full fleshed out game.

>> No.15735898

>>15735874
>>15735892
What are you talking about?

>> No.15735905

>>15735898
For fucks sake, nobody reads the OP anymore...

>> No.15735922

>>15735874
I lost interest when I read 'not a roguelike'

>> No.15736022

>>15735922
For a typical RPG it might be ok but I really am scared that you'll be pigeon holed into choosing some sort of class for your character in Elin like most RPGs. That would really suck. I liked how you could pretty much do anything you wanted in Elona and even though there are classes in Elona it's more for starting skills and you can cross train in anything you want. You can pretty much become every single class afterawhile. I also get this feeling that Elin is going to appeal to casuals. Not necessarily a bad thing but for a player like me that means I'll eventually get bored and will look elsewhere for more content or challenge. Nothing has really been said officially about what the gameplay will be like so my fears may be unfounded but I can't help but have this sinking feeling looking at the videos that that might be what happens.

>> No.15736036

>>15736022
He's also trying to get it greenlit on Steam so it's probably going to be completely devoid of the personality Elona has, which a ton of is lewd shit.

>> No.15736048

So if I wanted to edit the character sprite sheet with sprites from other sheets would opening them up in paint and copying/pasting specific sprites work well enough?

>> No.15736050

>>15736036
Elona isn't that lewd.
Sheena's ass comments, thrown panties, and catching a disease from a tiny prostitute sprite isn't even close to the Sakura shit on steam.

>> No.15736108

>>15736050
I can't unsee what my mind's eye has seen in this game as well as what the engrish has described to me. Adventurer was getting frisky at my place and we both got to drinking. I kissed her and at the same time she threw up. She threw up in my mouth and shortly after I threw up. I the player kinda wanted to throw up afterwards after imagining what happened.

>> No.15736139

>>15736050
The implied shit though. Especially with all the types of underaged characters.

Also I've seen a moongate that had sprites of girls being raped and dismembered, with puddles of semen and blood everywhere.

>> No.15736342

>>15736139
Well I mean you can find all sorts of horrific porn from garry's mod and source game sprays, things made by other users in multiplayer usually aren't covered or cared by ratings.

But yeah I forgot being able to milk little girls was a thing for a moment there.

>> No.15738493

Whats a good way to train performer before I can take on party time quests? Dont wanna splurge my skill points just yet.

>> No.15738516

>>15738493
Go to the Mansion of Younger Sister.
Perform inside the mansion.

>> No.15738543

>>15738493
>>15738516
Don't forget to hit the Young Sister shopkeeper to generate more sisters.

>> No.15738561

>>15722428
I do
Yes, stupid things in awakened dungeons can one shot you if you aren't careful, so I consider lay on hands to be essential
Its never too late to train a new pet, it'll just take time and effort to do it. I trained 4 new pets at the same from level 8 to around level 60 and now they are at least 15 levels higher than me at level 110
It's a good idea to level several pets at once so you won't have to do it again. Also use the gene engineer machine, but try and do it level by level for the best gains.
IE splice a level 12 pet to a level 10 pet, not a level 50 pet to a level 10 pet, you'll lose a lot of potential attributes

>> No.15738575

>>15738516
>>15738543
Holy shit why didnt I think of this?

>> No.15738581

>>15736048
Don't use paint, it'll leave artifacts in the sprite. Use Photoshop or something

You also don't have to manually edit the sprite sheet. You can just get one sprite and put it in the user sprite folder with the sprite number as the filename and the game will automatically change it for you.
Read the elona wiki> custom sprites page to learn how to do it

>> No.15739007

How many pets do you use in battle?
Do they affect your EXP earning?

>> No.15739059
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Soo...
Shouldn't the whole "AI" thing be available only once the Main quest is done? I also seem able to teach some skills.

>> No.15739125

>>15739059
That's ElonaCustom's AI, you're thinking of the AP-based AI changes you can do at Leold.

>> No.15739146

>>15739125
Does it still overrides special actions like the Exile's triple shot Magic Dart? Because if i read the AP article correctly if i mess up his parameters then he won't shoot them anymore (since he has them as a special ability and not a true spell so it get overrode by the AI changes)

In short i'd like to know what im going to fuck up and whether the fuckup can be "rollbacked" in ways other than "close the executable and hope it didn't save" if i'm going to put my hands into it.

>> No.15739157

>>15739146
Make a backup save you big dork. Tell us how it went.

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>>15739157
For some reason it keeps casting Nether arrow even if i needs to be between 25% and 75% health.

And sometimes it gets stuck for no reason.
Any guess?

>> No.15739421

>>15739412
Sorry, it does cast Magic Dart normally, they just use the same sprite.

Just have to work out the occasional fuckup.

>> No.15739444

How do i raise relationships with a adventurer? Do i have to hire them and then give them engagement stuff? If i try to give to them without hiring it says "Inventory full"

>> No.15739503

>>15739444
hire it and rape it untill they fall in love with you

like in your filthy anime

>> No.15739847

Holy shit when did Medusa stop being a jobber.

>> No.15739877

>>15739412
Pet tries to do #3 but the target is out of range so he gets confused and jerks off. Make an 'and' action for when target is also 1 distance.
#8 the target is at a distance of 1 (Pet either fails or can't do #3 or #7). Pet can't use magic dart or any other command and so jerks off.

Add an instruction instruction to move away when a target is melee range of your pet. Do that command AFTER touch of sleep isn't applicable. Preferably make HP and MP checks a >= or <= because fuck you if it isn't. Why is #12 even a thing. Even if you want is a thing change the value to 2.

Jesus christ I hate looking at other people's logic. It just makes the programmer in me cry.

>> No.15739922

I got fucked over by the Doujou I think. I put my pet in there and when I took it out the spells it learned from Elona+ Custom are gone as well as all of it's instructions. Oh well I guess I have to reteach my pet everything. Does anyone know how much casting spell my pet needs to learn speed?

>> No.15739999

>>15739877
Thanks, the reason why MP < 10% is because it's a Exile, so in theory he will always have a bunch of MP to the point that even 10% might be enough for another spell, but if it goes below 10% then it's a problem.

The player action was because i wanted to be sure it stayed close to me when i need him

>> No.15740028

>>15739922
The dojo thing is highlighted under the troubleshooting thing of the page explaining the AI tweaks of Elona Custom.

You can calculate the casting needed for any spell using the page talked about above as well as this google doc. Here's the links:

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:AnnaBannana/New_Features_in_Elona_Custom_1.51.4

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HqN8Smlw0--0EfleXsGzeSWzIMC8NOh0Z7z0alfPonU/edit#gid=2105866006

>> No.15740055

>>15740028
Thanks, so speed needs 70 casting. My pets are only 10~ away. Too bad about that Doujou. Good to know that it also happens with Abandoned Ranches.

>> No.15740121

>>15739922
Why teach them Speed when you can teach them Cheer?

>> No.15740130

>>15740121
>spic_loli_of_both.jpg

>> No.15740144

>>15740130
Because it takes forever to teach a pet something and Cheer is Speed + Hero for everyone in range?

Pretty sure the boosts even level up with Casting. 2 pets with cheer = constant Speed regardless of MP or Mist of Silence. It's really nice.

>> No.15740152

>>15740144
Get any monster. Create walls. Make pet not attack. Have pet cast spell/ability. Add safety. Hold 5. Watch tv show. Come back once in a while to change spell/ability to teach.

>> No.15740171

>>15740152
>not going into a city/house and setting the AI as Self health>10% action

Much simpler, unless you want to use a attack ability

>> No.15740335

>>15740171
What are you talking about? The pet still needs a hostile target so that it can do any command. The safety I was talking about is just so the pet's mana doesn't go in the negative and kills itself. Literally only need 2 commands. MP And + Cast/Ability.

>> No.15740348

>>15740335
You sure? Reading the guide it seems you can use the "preserved target" option to force him to use itself as a target

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Was about to finish this bitch but she ran away in fear. Then I went to catch her and she suddenly jumped on me but still running away lmao?

>> No.15740513

>>15740461
Also didn't know you can get AP by killing generic party time quest maggots. With no karma loss too.

>> No.15741252

I'e rescued 18 little sisters. What should I get with them?

>> No.15741536

>>15741252
You can use it to get back any precious items you may have lost along the way. However, if you ever plan on making herb farms you may want to get multiple copies of the Kumiromi statue or gemstone. If you don't have the original Kumiromi statue or gemstone yet you may want to just hold off on getting anything if there isn't anything you feel you really need to get back.

>> No.15741733

Does anyone know if I need Superb+ resistance or just Superb resistance to negate the secondary effects (Blind, Fire/Cold item destruction, etc..) of an element?

>> No.15741745

>>15741733
I know for sure you just need #### Strong resistance to prevent ice and fire destroying things.

>> No.15741789

>>15741733
It depends. If you're not really fighting in places with enemies that scale fixed resist points can be seen however if you're in a place that scales you're going to want as much as you can possibly get your hands on. It's your defense against their scaling offensive power. Beyond superb+++++ it's probably better to start reporting them by class which can be shown if you use the object of heart.

>> No.15742072

I'm rather new, I noticed the potential of all my attributes is at "Bad", what can I do to raise these?

>> No.15742124

>>15742072
Drink Potions of Potential. Sleep regularly. Get a pet with cooking or gene engineer cooking onto a pet, then sleep at a time that'll have you wake up in the morning. Your pet will have prepared breakfast, which raises your potential.

>> No.15742139

>>15742072
Potions of potential, preferably blessed, is the probably the best way to raise them. You can either make them through alchemy if your skill in it is high enough or you can buy them from invested magic shop vendors. They might show up at shop level 100 but I've had better luck with getting them to show at 150 or higher.

Another way to raise attribute potential is through a loving pet cooking you breakfast. You need to have a pet that has a relationship of fellow or higher and you need to go to bed around 9 PM to have your pet cook you breakfast. It works better if your pet has the cooking skill as the higher the cooking skill the more potential is recovered.

Other ways of raising potential include large picnic baskets and eating herbs.

You should probably give the pastebin in the OP a read anon.

>> No.15742427

What's the best class to pick if you want to be an unarmed Martial Artist? I went with thief, was that a bad idea? I seem to be doing fine but my low HP is worrying me.

>> No.15742492

>>15742427
There's a martial artist guide in the pastebin.

>> No.15742494

>>15742492
Reading pastebins is for fags.

>> No.15742518

So, it mostly works, only thing is that whenever the little girl goes to kill something and she's too far away the exile gets stuck.

Help?

>> No.15742523
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15742523

>>15742518
Forgot the image

>> No.15742539

>>15742427
predator

>> No.15742543

>>15742494
Intelligent fags that read the pastebins are a lot better than lazy fags that don't.

>> No.15742566 [DELETED] 

>>15742427
>>15742492
Tourist for extra special feat they unlock at level 50. A mutant with tons of arms for gloves is very powerful too. Gloves add a hidden unarmed damage bonus.

>> No.15742572

>>15742427
>>15742494
Tourist for extra special feat they unlock at level 50. A mutant with tons of arms for gloves is very powerful too. Gloves add a hidden unarmed damage bonus.

>> No.15742578

>>15742494
Roll a claymore for that awesome DV and piercing attack.

>> No.15742583

>>15742572
>Extra special feat they unlock at level 50.
Enlighten me, anon.

>> No.15742595

>>15742427
Don't need to worry about HP if all you're doing is hadoukening everything. Since you don't really need to worry about HP even a fairy can work well. They come with lots of resists so early game should be easy for you. Then all you do is shining wave everything once you have enough tactics.

>> No.15742614

>>15742583
I never got to level 50 on a snail because they're so weak but there's a reward if you survive long enough that apparently you get this really cool feat that makes playing a snail worthwhile. It will be highlighted in green in the feat section once you get it. I hear playing on No Future mode lets you unlock it at level 25.

>> No.15742632

>>15742614
Meant tourist but you can roll a snail tourist if you want to eventually become the most overpowered character.

>> No.15742635

>>15742632
I need more info. Can't find that feat on the wiki.

>> No.15742658

>>15742494
Roll a priest. They're monks afterall.

>> No.15742677

>>15742635
Why would the wiki want to make public a feat that makes a character way overpowered? Play a tourist and try to survive until you get to that point. Make sure you post pictures of your struggle up to the point so it can serve as contrast to how powerful you'll become once you get that feat. I kinda want to know what it's like being overpowered with that feat.

>> No.15742693

>>15742523
Add
Target distance > 5 move(forward)

Somewhere before your hp lines. Most likely your exile gets the target of what your little girl goes to attack, gets a true condition on one of the magic spells, but the target is actually too far away to cast on.

>> No.15742729

>>15742693
So there is a 5 tile limit on ranged attacks?
Good to know.

>> No.15742734

>>15742677
You're right. There's a feat at level 50 that gives you % extra speed depending on your traveling skill, plus evasion.
Thanks.

>> No.15742738

>>15742693
Well, now it werks wonderfully!
Thanks!

>> No.15742741

>>15742494
Roll a gunner. No seriously, here me out, there's a weapon later in the game called gun hands that pretty much allows you to chain unarmed attacks with explosive attacks when you hit an enemy. You have to be the gunner class to use them though but it's completely broken. Sucks that normal gunners can't use them well since you need martial arts to be good at using them.

>> No.15742754

>>15742734
Link to the information?
>>15742741
And link to this one? Can't seem to find them on the wiki.

>> No.15742825

>>15742754
There's no such thing, snail travelers are just a pain in the ass

>> No.15742879

>>15742677
Does your dad work at Nintendo?

>> No.15742943

Wood pieces have no right to be so rare.

>> No.15743188

>>15742943
Just pick up every potion drop in the dungeon that looks like a bottle of water. Eventually you just have a massive stock pile.

>> No.15743192

>>15743188
I already run in inventory problem due to going full packrat.

Are there any container items or is the cooler box the only one?

>> No.15743223

>>15743192
??? No I mean just run over the potions that look like bottle of water. Everything else just ignore. Also try to get 4-Dimensional spell.

>> No.15743232

>>15743223
I know.
But there is only so many salt waters i can run into! It's like the god responsible for potions is being super salty about something.

>> No.15743338
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15743338

I want to teach my pet Shadow Step, but it's not using it.
Any ideas?

>> No.15743347

>>15743338
Try to lower the distance to 5. Idk if the range limit also affect shadow step

>> No.15743349

>>15743347
I'll try, thanks.

>> No.15743352

>>15743338
At this stage, pet will use shadow step only with 1% chance. Just wait for it.

>> No.15743366

>>15742693
If you are really the maker of Elona Custom then i'd suggest a feature that allows AI commands to be moved, having to re-create all of them manually whenever i want to add something is a bit of a chore

>> No.15743372

>>15743352
Maybe that's the problem. Thanks.

>> No.15743392

>>15743366
>If you are really the maker of Elona Custom
Look up that tripcode on Warosu; it's Anna's. It's why she uses it. Also there is a thread on the Wiki for that specifically, though she hasn't replied to a few of the requests and it doesn't seem too active in general.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:22911

Also, once again, not Pepe here but:

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:23028

>> No.15743410

>>15743372
Take it to the puppy cave, make it attempt shadow step as the very first thing and just kill an hour or two.

>> No.15743778

>>15743366
It already exists.

Use the * key to select an instruction, then use it again on the place you want it to go and the two instructions will be swapped.

I mentioned this in the patch notes when I added it, but I suspect most people missed it. I really need to update the blog at some point.

>> No.15743809

>>15743778
HALLELUJA!

>> No.15743850

Why do my custom AI pets sometimes just completely fail to do anything?
Even ones with simple routines like distance < 9 shadow step, distance = 1 attack melee will occasionally shut down.

>> No.15743864

>>15743850
Probably it either:
1) Hasn't still learned how to do the ability yet (if it is in training then it has a chance to fail)
or
2) It doesn't have enough "stamina" to pull it off, it gains 1 stamina for every AI cycle.

>> No.15743878

>>15743850
Give us a pic of your commands. Also The sight range is 7 but you can "target" enemies from more than that. Make shadow step distance <= 7 or just >=2. Really the custom AI is pretty solid. You just have holes in your logic.

>> No.15743913

>>15743864
I was told pets did not have stamina.

>>15743878
>The sight range is 7
Didn't know that. I think we really need a guide pastebin or something for all this unsaid knowledge.
Since changing it to <=7 it seems to be more reliable.

>> No.15743916

>>15743913
They use a special stamina for custom AI according to http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:AnnaBannana/New_Features_in_Elona_Custom_1.51.4

>> No.15743925

>>15743913
I prefer shadow step to be >= 2. IRC shadowstep gives you 50% exp compared to basic melee. The sight range is something you can see on your screen lol, just count how far you can see

>> No.15744340

>>15739007
Two grass dancers, two cockatrices, and a younger sister.

The grass dancers rape literally everything before anyone else gets a chance to do much of anything until the one without the Wind Bow somehow dies, then the cocks go, then it's just the grass dancer with the Wind Bow and my younger sister.

>> No.15744497

Any tricks for gaining loads of favor with Lulwy?

>> No.15744532

>>15744497
Challenge/Panic missions in Palmia.
Claim the altar again, and again.

>> No.15744538

>>15742124
>>15742139
Oh alright, good. I'm already cooking everything I find, too, pets are for FAGS. I was just unsure if this was the way to go, I'll get into investing in the magic shop in Palmia later. I also did read the pastebin, maybe I just missed this part or something, there's quite a lot and I read it all in a single go

>> No.15744557

Is there a list of enemies by skill? I need to find out what gives Cooking and Tailoring

>> No.15744587

>>15744340
Does the grass dancer keep their innate resistances?

>> No.15744591

>>15744557
Just go to Derphy. Rogue wizards and Nurses should give cooking. I think one of the thiefs or archers give the tailoring.

>> No.15744593

>>15744587
No, but they still have the ability to gaze and keep their ridiculously high speed. They tend to die to poison or bleeding quickly though, and they're liable to step on mines so it's best to give them wings.

>> No.15744660

>>15744591
Any idea what gives jeweler?

>> No.15744674

>>15744593
Rubynus equipment. I always give that to my platinas.

>> No.15744682
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Capped my martial artist skill with Kai. At 1991 skill level my gains came to grinding halt at void floor level 600. The reason being that the enemies actually didn't have enough evasion to grind it out any further. That's a scary thought because the enemies down here are nearing their skill and attribute caps such as the Atlas in my pic. From here on out, I expect their levels, hp, mp, and resists to grow. Since I was so close to cap with MA I decided to finish it off with bonus points instead of hunting down the monsters that would allow me to finish out the grind.

I've concluded a couple of things. To cap melee skills, not just martial arts, you need to eventually go to void or possibly do awakened dungeons. You also need to go very far into them whether that be dungeon level or depth. There just isn't any escaping that fact. I've also concluded that all of the melee skills can be trained down here with melee skills probably being the easiest followed by eye of mind. Tactics is the hardest skill to increase. Only thing that works for me consistently is gauge attacks making it really slow to level. Main reason why mine is as high as it is is through bonus points from leveling or AP. If I didn't have those bonus points Eye of Mind would of beaten out tactics a long time ago.

The best enemies to train down here on are ones that can heal. That will remain true for a long time but around 1,700 MA I had a real problem with my attacks just doing way too much damage that their heals couldn't keep up. For awhile, I was actually keeping my enemies on life support by entombing them with me and just spamming knockout just to level my skills. It's much slower leveling of skills but considering the alternative was me one shoting enemies this was much better. Need a nice stamina pool or a good way to recover it because you'll want to spam knockout.

Now to focus on raising my speed and then turning my attention to killing Opatos for his axe. I could use the strength increase from that axe that which will give me a higher damage multiplier.

>> No.15744693

Are you supposed to have Dual Wielding while using two claws, or a tonfa and a claw, or two tonfas?

>> No.15744713

>>15744693
As far as I know, no.

>> No.15744890
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15744890

So I've heard I should use a happy bed, so I've been carrying it around ever since I wished for it, everytime I'm sleepy I just drop it on the ground and go to sleep right there, as long as I'm in a safe area, that is. Is this the way to do it? Also, can I make it lighter than the 31s it weights right now?

>> No.15744930

>>15744890
Don't have to drop it, just use from inventory. You can make it lighter by reading loads of scrolls of flying. Most of us leave happy bed at home and walk around with an eastern bed which only weights 2.0s or something and still gives good sleep.

>> No.15744931

>>15744890
I don't drop the bed. I just use it right in my inventory. You can make it lighter through flying scrolls. Changing its material might make it slightly lighter. If you can already carry it and it burdens you it might not be so bad. You can train weight lifting that way. As you get more and more strength you can carry ridiculous things in your backpack and not be burdened by them.

>> No.15744958

>>15744931
>>15744930
Yeah I use it to train weight lifting, but sometimes I'm at Burden! instead of just Burden, which makes it kind of annoying

>> No.15745049

>>15744930
Pffft don't associate me with you people. I keep my happy bed in my 4-D storage. Gotta stay comfy no matter where you find yourself.

>> No.15745067

>>15744930
I've been using sleeping sheep like forever is it that much worse?

>> No.15745088

>>15745049
I'm more worried about not missing breakfast because those bonuses actually add up.

>>15745067
Better actually, but I carry a futon for rp purposes.

>> No.15745099

>>15744557
The only one I can clearly remember is getting tailoring from a chaos mushroom.

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>>15745049
>Do you even lift senpai?

~Golden Knight

>> No.15745110

>>15744890
You can change it to spirit cloth or dawn cloth or whatever so it weighs only 13s

>> No.15745116

>tfw not even a single level 36+ monster want to drop a bodypart

I just wanna be a necromancer

>> No.15745134

>>15745116
And just as i say that a level 45 monster drops a heart!
FINALLY!

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>>15745102
Just waiting till November till I drop Ehaktl after summoning her and get Opatos. Gonna get that gym set up in my mansion you know what I mean?

>> No.15745166

>>15745149
>I approve of your gym senpai.

~Golden Knight

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>>15745110
Neat. Also, I just got <Ebon> the fire giant executed in noyel by voting for him and having quite some luck. Am I a madman or just some lucky guy?

>> No.15745201

So i have now both the drake staff and the elemental staff.

Do i get the bonus attributes/resistance if something is in the "shoot" slot? And does the Elemental Staff "invoke elemental scar" effect still works if it's shot instead of used as melee?

>> No.15745208

>>15745199
I just send away my pets (or put them into "defensive" stance), go to the ball and chain in front of Ebon, lockpick the chain and then Dimensional Move to safety.

Then loot everything.

Even better during snow so you won't have to deal with the fires.

>> No.15745215

>>15745199
Madman? Nah. Most people just set him free and watch as the town and its inhabitants burn. Those people are mad.

>> No.15745237

>>15745201
You'll still get the resistances even if it is in the shoot slot and yes, if you "shoot" an enemy with it it can invoke elemental scar.

>> No.15745244

>>15745237
Makes you wonder why firearms exist if throwing your staff at the enemy can result in 100% more fun to be had

>> No.15745254

>>15745244
Ammo and its effects such as time stop and piercing ammo can augment firearms. That can be kinda fun to play around with. Nothing beats throwing a living panty that either makes people go insane or die of depression though.

>> No.15745308

How do I make a living item into a proper resist stick? Are there any elements I should focus on or avoid?

>> No.15745327

>>15745215
I see, I should do that sometime.

>>15745208
What kind of stuff can I loot off this anyway? Also, you mean the dimensional move feat? Should I just take all these feats that give abilities? So far I only have the stamina ones, kokou, and breath.

>> No.15745401
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15745401

Please don't say it will only work when you throw this fucking rock.

>> No.15745464

I found an absolutely empty godly bullets. Is it possible to use it for artifact fusion?

>> No.15745557

>>15745401
If I lie to you and say it does work will you feel better?

>>15745464
Sadly ammo can't be used for artifact fusion.

>> No.15745581

>>15745557
This rock is shit anyway.

>> No.15745608

>>15745581
>>15745401
Actually I'm pretty sure they got a new ranged multiplier that makes their damage quite crazy. Look that shit up on the wiki.

>> No.15745650
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15745650

>>15745581
Give that rock to me. Those unruly bards for some reason are getting harder to kill with one solid shot to the skull.

>> No.15745695

Man, I wish we could turn gold into platinum or something. I just want to train my skill potentials as fast as my pets do.

>> No.15745758

>>15744682
Why not use doomed potions of restore body/spirit to gimp your damage output? also maybe equip that god artifact that massively reduces tactics just to further reduce your damage. I think you could equip it in your shoot slot.

>> No.15745852

>>15745758
All really good ideas. Don't have the mechanical binder so all I did was just unequip all my stuff when fighting the monsters. What you mention would of been the best way to grind it out. You'd get a lot more mileage out of a monster than I did. Still would have to eventually restore potentials in town and eventually seek out a new monster with more evasion once you reached certain breakpoints though.

>> No.15745914

So how do I use this organic fertilizer thing? Everytime I try to use it, it says "The plant has already grown full", even though I just harvested it and got a new bud, and if I plant a new plant, it still says the same thing, if I try to use it in just the field, I get the same message too, I've never been able to use the fertilizer.

>> No.15745985

>>15745914
Go to a place where the plant is like a white-ish blossom, then 't'use it there.

>> No.15745987
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>>15745985
Oh okay, thanks senpai.

>> No.15746094

How do I stop my melee pet from running off while I've got 6 other enemies around me? I tried teaching it tactical attack so that it can shadow step, but I've never seen it once use it.

>> No.15746169

>>15745401
>>15745557
So i put this rock in a melee slot and when I'm shooting it only works if enemy is standing next to me.

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>>15745308
Add the resists/special attributes you want first via Irma and Thalia. Then level up the weapon (follow the wiki closely). Also be wearing some endgame equipment already so you know what gaps need filling (typically fire, ice, and lightning are already high from the swimsuit). Other than that, savescum like a madman if you don't know what you're doing, because there's nothing worse than contracting terminal autism just because you messed up one little thing in the process.

>> No.15746271

>>15746169
That might be because proximity assist is meant to be used for melee characters. If you're a ranged character what you want is interlocking shooting mechanism.

>> No.15746302

>>15746271
Fucking laomao I thought it's vice versa.
Also not only I'm wearing this bitch rock but my melee Shena's ass is wearing the vesda wings too.

>> No.15746939

>>15745327
Kokou gives buffs only if you are alone.

Dimensional Move is like Teleport, only it runs on stamina instead of MP/spell stock and it always work (unless in the pyramids).
Good for saving your bacon in a pinch.

Touch of sleep is great for quickly disabling enemies and kill bells/quicklings as it has pretty much 100% accuracy. Also for pickpocketing if you don't have a potion. Touch of poison is better offensively but since i'm running as a mage disabling a enemy at close range is better than poisoning it since i won't have to deal with it's attacks.

Cheer is a must if you go heavy on pets. Hero+Speed on everyone.

>> No.15747045

how do you raise your stamina other the using the feat skill?

>> No.15747047

>>15747045
Raise will and constitution

>> No.15747233

I'm retarded, how do I reset an areas music after using a BGM disc other than resetting the entire area?

>> No.15747253

some theorycrafting regarding wishes as lategame resource:

1. is it possible to clone Little Sisters with astral light pen? If so that establishes a trade of 10 wishes = 1 hero cheese.

2. what's the most reliable way to get books of Wish? With maxxed-out Memorization (including gear) it should bring in 2000+ wish stock, which makes it as good as 4000+ Scrolls of Wonder.

3. on that note, a Mutant with every single slot devoted to more hands (make it to South Tyris before lvl 3 for additional hands; max is I believe 29), and a lvl 15 Memorization living weapon in every possible slot, should be able to get 4000 Memorization. Assuming the bloodsucking is survivable, that's ~3500 stock. At max level Wish (which caps out at ~300) uses around 25 stock so that's a lot of wishes.

>> No.15747257

>>15747253
>make it to South Tyris before lvl 3
How? Maxed out pet in heirloom chest?

>> No.15747258

does kokou still work with necromancer creature?

>> No.15747263

>>15747257
pretty much, yeah. potions of descent might also help.

>> No.15747286

>>15747253
>10 wishes = 1 hero cheese
laughing_pudding_spirits.webm

Also, you can get infinite wishes with 1 book and Quick Use, but this is really dirty and should be removed.

>> No.15747288

>>15747286
Do explain both the 10 wishs=1 cheese and the pudding spirits thing.

I feel the wiki is incomplete as fuck sometimes

>> No.15747309

>>15747288
he means you can go to party quests, summon high level Spirits, get massive numbers of music tickets and use those to buy hero cheese at 35000 tickets per cheese.

Didn't this get nerfed in 1.60 though? I haven't updated yet so I can't test it first hand.

10 wishes = cheese: use wishes to get astral light pens, copy Little Sisters (maybe... not sure if it'll work actually) and use them to complete the little sister quest.

I actually knew about quick use spellbook cloning, but yeah that's a dirty, dirty bug. it's basically infinite wishes.

>> No.15747314

>>15747309
Why 10 wishes for 1 cheese though? Don't you need only one little sister to get a reward?

>> No.15747326

>>15747314
every time you complete the quest, the required number of little sisters go up by 1, up to 10.

>> No.15747329

>>15747288
When you level your Summon Spirit spell high enough, you will be able to get tons of music tickets with party time quests. Basically, you need to kill all non-uniques, then summon a bunch of spirits and spray them with a love potion (use Alchemical Rain). The higher the spell level, the more tickets you get.

>>15747309
I updated from 1.49 and don't really remember how much it was before, but level 331 Summon Spirit with "enhances your spells" gear nets me up to 24000 tickets in 1.61.

>> No.15747356

>>15747329
Looks like it got divided 5 or 10 times, maybe? Does bringing in inner gods to boost the score still work?

>> No.15747399

>>15747356
It does, but the multiplier isn't so great, only 420% each. And the gods tend to slaughter the spirits, so the spell level must be much higher for this to work efficiently.

>> No.15747402

Gamma Core is OP as fuck. It gives a huge amount of extra speed and lets me run circles around the souped-up Awakened monsters capped at 2000 speed.

>> No.15747405

>>15747399
420% is the same as it's always been. that's actually a lot since you can summon more than one.

what you do is summon the inner god, bring it down to low health, then tie it up with a sandbag. do this *before* summoning spirits as the wish fizzles if you're at NPC limit.

if you're feeling adventurous you can actually let it out again near the end of the performance so you can get your sandbag back. Great fun with 10 angry inner gods chasing you.

>> No.15747412

>>15747405
Oh right, I forgot about the sandbags.

>> No.15747632

I may be half-retarded. How exactly do you use soul spindle to a bring a pet into an incarnated game?

>> No.15748072

>>15747632
Finished with izpalt.
Now who's a good second god? Kumi for herbs erryday?

>> No.15748762

>>15746939
Got it, thanks.

>> No.15748914

>>15747253
1) Think the conversion rate isn't worth it. I'd much rather just use spirits at a party time quest to get tickets and buy hero cheese/magic fruit. That's what I've been doing with Kai. Probably would use the wishes for levels or something else.

2+3) I've gotten a couple of spellbooks of wish through invested vendors. You increase your chance by investing in lots of magic vendors and checking their stuff every three days. The problem with gaining stock from wish books or just gaining stock period from spellbooks is that that the more stock you have a spell the less stock you actually get from reading a spellbook.

For instance, awhile back, I had 8000 stock in wish. I had maybe 2 spellbooks of wish I threw into 4d space and a memorization skill level of 1,091. I read a spellbook of wish hoping to get a lot of stock however I actually got less than 200 stock. That was saddening because if you had gotten wish stock from a wonder scroll, you would get a flat 200. I actually got less reading a spellbook of wish than what I would of gotten through wonder scrolls. The lesson that could be learned here is that if you are to read a spellbook of wish that you should do it when you have very little wish stock. You'll probably get more stock out of it. However, as your wish stock increases the effectiveness of getting stocks from spellbooks diminishes. At that point wonder scroll stock is probably better. However, due to scarcity of wish books you could argue that wonder scrolls are always better but I see no point in turning down guaranteed wish stock from wish books.

As a side note, I've actually gotten a lot more rods of wishes compared to spellbooks of wishing through magic seed farming. Whether that's just me I don't know but I've gotten 27 wish rods so far. Between magic seed farming and running a magic shop with hopes that customers trade in wish rods, I've managed to get something that going that helps a little bit in getting wishes.

Anyhow, since Kai fell short in how much wish stock I thought he'd get from reading spellbooks of wish, I looked up how spell stock works on the wiki and the technical details matches what I saw. Here's a link for it.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Spell_Stock

>> No.15749138

>Increased the volume of the growling sound effect when entering a floor with a Big Daddy

What exactly does this do from the 1.61 patch changelog?

>> No.15749150

>>15749138
It makes you jump up in your seat because it's too loud now.

>> No.15749163

>>15749150
Oh I didn't even know there was an audio cue for big daddies. I watch TV series while I do some of Elona's grind so sound has always been on super low. I just now heard a Big Daddy for the first time after turning everything up and muting other programs. Still not really noticeable thanks to BGM. Not enough contrast between the audio.

>> No.15749253

I forgot how to cure my pet's pregnancy. Pls help.

>> No.15749262

>>15749253
Give her the dye.

>> No.15749275

>>15749253
Give her poison, dye, acid, loads of alcohol...

>> No.15749287

>>15749262
>>15749275
Oh, I thought I tried that with dye already but they didn't drink it. Maybe I'm remembering wrong. Alcohol sounds easy though. Thanks.

>> No.15749300

>>15749287
Throw the dye. It's the easiest mode.

>> No.15749343

>>15749163
Oh I see now, I thought it was too loud because of the Wild Arms music pack. I guess I'll just de-amplify beast02.wav with Audacity.

>> No.15749420

Pets with decapitation in Custom Elona+ are pretty strong

>> No.15749433

>>15749420
Platinas and sniper rifles. Easy modo.

>> No.15749479

Is there a way I give an enemy a weapon/armour so that I can get the blackcat to kill him and hopefully get a lick?

>> No.15749490

>>15749479
Save, copy save and make backup, go to adventurer, trade item, attack, hope cat gets a licky, if the result isn't satisfactory, reload from previous save

>> No.15749572

Fucking adventurer comes to your house and treat you with a cursed alcohol.
There's nothing you can do about it but teach him a lesson.

>> No.15749626

>>15749572
I don't like it when anyone comes to my house actually. Aside from trainers, almost everyone else that visits doesn't seem to have my best interest in mind. Take the beggar for instance. He asks for gold and you think you're going to give him like 500 but instead he takes like 5 million gold because what you give him is actually a percentage of your total gold. I might be exaggerating the amount a little but you will be surprised at the amount. The thought that the beggar now has enough money to buy himself a palace of his own and didn't work a single day in his life makes me angry. Suddenly Noel in Derphy is starting to make a lot of sense.

>> No.15749668

>>15749572
Fucking Halloween kids. I say treat and they report me to the guards and if I say trick they burn my house down! I can't fucking win! My friend asked me why I was I looked overly too happy killing children in a video game. He has no idea no fucking idea at the shit these little shits do!

>> No.15749729

>>15749626
Dear Diary:
That violent lunatic Lomias was at the church's gala again tonight. I wish I could avoid him, but I can't pass up all that free food. Fortunately that famous adventurer lives nearby--maybe I can go ask him for some help. If that fails, I always have my secret cave. That place should be safe, at least.

>> No.15749763

>>15749668
You have to give them candy, anon. Api nuts and chestnuts. What you get is worth it.

>> No.15749925

What are good tanks in the late game? I'm thinking of a pet with both cResEle and cArmor / cMetal Flag, and then teaching it Provoke, so... the G Cube? Any good recomendations?

>> No.15749974

>>15749925
Sounds interesting. The G Cube that is. If you experiment with it report back. Would like to know if it really does have cResEle. I know the G Cube has armor but cResEle I'm not sure about. I know a regular cube has cResEle but I'm not sure it has armor.

>> No.15749994

>>15749925
If you can solve their life problems with hero cheese, most metal pets can be great late game tanks. I'm not really too concerned about bits concerning spells. It's a lot easier to reduce spell damage later on if you build a decent resist suit. It's a lot harder to mitigate physical damage though.

>> No.15750018

>>15749925
G cube has only cArmor flag. If you want something with both cMetal and cResEle flags, you need to use bells.

>> No.15750025

What type of gear tends to give nerve resistance? I wasnt able to find a page for it on the wiki page

>> No.15750040

What to do? If you spend small medals on scrolls of growth then your speed will be shit but if you buy hermes potions your skills will be shit.

>> No.15750044

>>15750025
emerald and it's kinda rare material

>> No.15750059

>>15750044
fug, I haven't even seen any yet that I recall, thanks.

>> No.15750081

Martial art is the best skill at high levels, right? I was thinking about training my defender in martial arts since it gets cheap and easy skill potential, but I like having it be able to heal itself by dual wielding the mournblade/stormbringer. How great is martial arts on a pet?

>> No.15750084

>>15750059
If you hire blackmarketer sometimes you can buy pretty cheap items with certain attribute resistance.
Not so long ago I bought a helm of night with #####+ dark res for only 6000.

>> No.15750085

>>15750040
Eh, it's a tough decision to make but you manage. For Kai, when I was just using medals for growth scrolls, I had AP, herbs, and every now and then found speed uppers in dungeons to increase speed. I have access to speed uppers through music tickets now though. When I was focusing on hermes potions I just narrowed down the 2 skills I wanted to keep potentials high for at the time and just used platinum coins.

In short, if you're at a point where you're still trying to level a lot of skills all at once, probably focus on growth scrolls. However, if you come to the point where you only really want to focus on two skills because all the rest are sufficiently high enough to make do for the time being, switch to hermes potions.

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>>15750081
It's pretty awesome. Exploding punch with chaos attribute will make nearly everything regret their existence, doubly so if your pet gets more than one punch.

>> No.15750808

The creatures in Amur-Cage respawn like anywhere else, right? Would it be a good idea to visit there every so often to farm artifacts that transform into miracle/godly items?

>> No.15751109
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Okay this is my first time using custom ai, but with basic settings like this my black angel is still just walking up to enemies and hitting them rather than shooting them. Am I doing something wrong?

>> No.15751118

>>15751109
Nevermind this, I had her directive as intercept. I put it back onto onslaught like it normally is but now she is just staying in place with text saying she doesn't know how to react to the situation based on the directions I've given her.

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>>15751118
First, check her weapon\ammo.
Second, look on whether your pet has line of sight on her target. She'll only move when targeted enemy is one tile away from her, otherwise she'll shoot if possible, and call ignorance if she can't shoot.

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>>15751128
Thanks, I tried using a different crossbow and I realised I had it equipped in her hand rather than the ranged slot like an idiot, and I changed the ai to this and it seems to be working well.

>> No.15751188

So, how can i get some potions of descent? I'm fucking sick of these pumpkins and their damn potions of disaster bringing all my stats to shit while having to hope the Exile decides to target them

>> No.15751205

>>15751188
They are very rare. You either find them once in a blue moon in a dungeon or you wish for them. Trying to connect the dots to why you need descent potions to fight pumpkins. They're more annoying than strong. If you can cast spells potions of disaster should be a minor inconvenience. Just cast restore body and restore spirit. If you're not a caster, I'd load up on restore body/spirit potions.

>> No.15751210

>>15751205
They are invisible
They are high level
Enemy spawn is tied to player level
Less level=easier monsters spawning

Also, haven't had much luck finding acid/fireproof liquids so my pet's equipment is always at risk

>> No.15751246

>>15751210
We have very different views on what high level is but nevermind that for now. Enemies that are invisible can be made visible if they become wet. That means if you throw a potion on the ground to create a puddle they'll become visible once they enter said puddle. You can surround yourself with puddles if you need to draw them out. A much better solution would be to find equipment that lets you see invisible such as the sage helmet, lucky dagger, or the kaneituuhou. The lucky dagger and the kaneituuhou are both god reward items. The lucky dagger being a god reward from Ehekatl and the kaneituuhou being a god reward from Yacatect. The sage helmet can be bought using gold medals from Miral and Garrok's workshop.

Pumpkins should only be level 7 unless you're fighting them as a dungeon boss, a challenge/panic monster, or are in some sort of place that scales such as awakened dungeons or the void.

>> No.15751263

>>15751246
Sorry, meant the upgraded pumpkins. I'm level 43

>> No.15751267

>>15751246
Also, if i give a sage helm to a pet, can he see invisible enemies too?

>> No.15751286

>>15751267
Yes

>> No.15751497

>>15751246
>>15751210
You can also use alchemical rain; just make a shitton of low-level healing potions and rain those down.

>> No.15751501

>>15751497
Need alchemy at 60 for that

>> No.15751514

>>15751501
Just buy a rod of bubble ball, it makes enemies around you wet, making them visible.

>> No.15751516

>>15748914
the formula for getting stock from books reduces stock significantly if you have any left, at all.

However, wish is not a combat spell. Wishes are directly converted to items you want. There's nothing stopping you from using up all your wish stocks first before reading a book.

>> No.15751560

>>15751516
similar principles applies to a lesser extent for wishes from scrolls of wonder: wishes cost 20~30 stock fully upgraded, but when you get like 1~2 stock left at the end, you can still cast a full wish. if you use up every 200 stock as you get them rather than stacking up 8000, you get a few more wishes.

>> No.15751687

How high must be the magic shop rank before it start selling acid/fireproof potions reliably?

>> No.15753365

>>15751516
>There's nothing stopping you from using up all your wish stocks first before reading a book.
>>15751560
>if you use up every 200 stock as you get them rather than stacking up 8000, you get a few more wishes.

Hmm, I'll try both of these things next time then. Thanks for the heads up on this.

The main reason why I was hoarding my stock was because a lot of people, including the wiki, said that leveling the spell reduces wish success so I was pretty worried about this. To help get around this, I thought I would just do all my wish casting at once with a big pool of stock so that I could slow the leveling of the spell. So as an example, 400 potential with 18,000 stock, I'd just use up all 18,000 stock in one go tanking my potential to like 1% to slow the leveling.

In light that my wish spell is like level 170ish and I still have 100% to cast the spell if I take off my armor, I should probably give what you say a go to get more wishes.

>> No.15753421

>>15751687
My shop level is 5000 for magic vendors in my house and I see them all the time. Heh, but I kinda doubt that you need to get that high for them. Try to get shop level to like 150 I think and go from there. Hopefully they'll starting showing up then and keep funneling money into them if you don't see them. They do carry them though.

>> No.15753435

>>15753421
The one in Palmia is level 196 (though i think it sometimes goes down in rank?) and i haven't seen one.

I've seen evolution, i've seen cure corruption, i've seen wonder, all both normal and blessed.
BUT NOT A SINGLE ACID/FIREPROFF LIQUID!

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>>15753435
I blame RNG then. The solution is to pet Ehekatl some more. Keep checking their inventories and investing in your shopkeepers. You'll eventually get them to show up. Good luck anon.

>> No.15753495

>>15753484
Yeah, i'll go Ehekatl once i'm done with Jure.

Also, with Itzpalt magic canceller my Casting skill hasn't gone down but my magic is at 1. If i understood correctly the lower is my skill or attribute the faster it train, right?
If both are true then i'm powerleveling magic quite a bit but casting not so much unfortunately.

>> No.15753512

>>15753421
>>15753435
Eh, my vendors are lvl 2000 and those liquids are like 20 times more rare than potential potions. There's a huge deficit of antiseptic, too.

>> No.15753560

2000 speed is the hard cap? Or can I go over that with Lulwy's trick?

>> No.15753577

>>15753560
It's the base attribute cap. Equipment and soma bonuses, Speed spell and Lulwy's trick will provide additional speed.

>> No.15753707

>>15753365
You can stall the potential for the wish just by removing the spell off of your list by expending all of the stock for it. But yea, what anon said about using 200 wish stock at a time is probably the most efficient, especially when at low levels of wish. Kinda like spending 90 wish stock per cast, and then after 2 casts, you have 20 wish stock left, which can still be cast for a full wish spell. Then it disappears off of your spell list and you don't gain potential for it when you sleep.

>> No.15753721

>>15751188
Sometimes you can buy it from magical vendors. My shops is around level 100 and I got 2 decent potions and around 30 potential potions by now.

But how are this potions can save you from pumpkins?

>> No.15753765

>>15753435
Also I've noticed that certain potions are really hard to find in stock once your magic vendors get past a certain level of investment, maybe that's contributing to the shortage of fireproof/acidproof. I'm in the same boat, and I just keep a few magic vendors with barely anything invested in them for that purpse.

>> No.15753780

>>15753721
Meant the upgraded pumpkins, the halloween or something.

It wrecks shit with those fucking potions

>> No.15753836

>>15753780
I still don't understand how a potion of descent is going to help.

>> No.15753845

>>15753836
Less level=easier monsters since they are tied to your level.
Easier monsters=not having my and my pets stats turned to shit while everything is on fire and my pet's equipment is half melted by acid

>> No.15753851

>>15753845
Plus more stat points after level up.

>> No.15753854

>>15753845
That's not how it works...

>> No.15753903

>>15753845
Why don't you just trade in small medals for the sage helmet or get Ehekatl/Yacatect weapon. I agree with anon above me. I don't get your thinking.

>> No.15753911

>>15753903
Got the helm anyway, still, they are useful for stats (or for breeding)

>> No.15753929

Is there a better way to quickly run through dungeons than just running around looking for the stairs?

>> No.15753935

>>15753911
So whats the problem? Pumpkins die if you just fart on them

>> No.15753945

>>15753929
Doesn't detect object reveal the stairs now?
You could also just spam teleport until you see the stairs.

>> No.15753967

>>15753935
If they are invisible and they move is a bit difficult to locate them.
Especially if you're hit by every single negative status effect at once.
HERE! Take a major hit to ALL of your stats!
And now a potion of slow!
I'll trow some confusion, silence, weakness and drunkenness into the mix, just for you!
BUT WAIT! THERE IS MORE! CALL NOW FOR A FREE WAGON OF SULFURIC ACID RIGHT ON YOUR FACE AND EQUIPMENT SINCE I HEARD YOU CAN SELDOM FIND ACIDPROOF LIQUIDS!

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>>15753967
200000 hours in ms paint

>> No.15754049

>>15753967
What are you talking about. You literally said you had the helmet. The helmet lets you see invisible. The Coin lets you see invisible. The dagger lets you see invisible. How fucking difficult is it to look at your screen for a pumpkin. You also have stealth, giving you like 10 turns to find the guy before it notices you.

>> No.15754060

>>15754049
Oh boy!
THIS WAS BEFORE I GOT THE HELMET!
NOW IT'S OK!

>> No.15754071

>>15754060
Yes, it's ok, because you can kill pumpkins in a variety of ways when you already see them.

>> No.15754073

What rods are affected by duplicane?

>> No.15754088
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15754088

/rlg/ denizen making his first steps here, who is this cute I found in the game files? I want to continue playing just for her.

>> No.15754098

>>15754088
Younger brother Custom NPC.

>> No.15754111
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>>15754098
>brother (male)
>he
Oh.

>> No.15754134

>>15754111
Did Strongest Potions guy got a anime adaptation?
Potion seller was in the right

>> No.15754206

>>15754111
>brother (male)

With a forbidden meat, you can make your brother (male) into a brother (female).

>> No.15754350

>>15753765
I've noticed that too. I have Kai's magic vendors in his house at shop level 8000 and I rarely see them. I managed to find a decent amount of fireproof and acidproof potions in the past before I crossed over a certain threshold I think. Not sure what the specific number is though. I tend to just rely on finding the potions in the many dungeons I do now.

>>15754073
Rods that do damage.

>> No.15754362

>>15753967
But to tell the truth I hate it so much too.
Pumpkins, maggots that eat your food, bitches that cursing you, bitches that make you mutate and ugly fuckers that lower your stats.
Forgot faglords that steal your money and you can't even get the same amount back if you kill it. There's no way that bitch can spend it so fast.
Oh and the stamina drainers too.

>> No.15754579

>go into level 155 dungeon
>instantly drawn from the other side of the map
>no less than four death manekis and a shit ton of monsters
>keep getting drawn so I can't escape
>death verdicts for everyone

jesus christ

>> No.15754649

>>15754350
Don't take this as gospel, since it just comes from my own playing experience, but I believe you might have more luck finding acidproof/fireproof potions from low level magic vendors.

They are both cheap potions. Investing will (to a point) increase the average value of the items the shop generates to sell. Consequently, if you invest much, you end up creating a lower chance for them to be generated. It's the same reason that over-investing in souvenir vendors is bad if you want treasure maps. The other potential items that the shop sells have a higher base value, so by investing too much you end up making maps generate less often.

>> No.15754753

>>15754649
Yeah that would make sense. Thanks for the tip. I'll probably do what you and the other anon say about just leaving certain vendors at a relatively low shop level. Thanks for your work on Custom as well.

>> No.15755028

>>15754350
>shop level 8000
Can you show me what the shop inventory looks like?
I don't see much of a result after 60 myself, but I've never gone past 200

>> No.15755036

>>15755028
Also, are flying scrolls common at that level?

>> No.15755064

if I'm level 18 I should be able to do 15-20 dungeons easy right? trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong

>> No.15755073

>>15755064
at this level you can do easy only le poppy caivu

>> No.15755186

>>15753365
the difficulty of Wish actually stops growing at lvl 300, so it's not so bad. The reduction in stock use also caps at 300.

What this all means is that you should get to level 300 using as few wishes as possible (400% potential at each cast), then spam as much as you want once you can cast lvl 300 wishes.

Rods of wish are good at the earlier levels if you use the ether disease to draw charge from it. It gives just 5 stock, which is just enough to cast once and get some wish xp.

>> No.15755319
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>>15755028
>>15755036
Funny thing is I didn't exactly plan to raise shop level higher than 200 but I was earning so much gold from dungeons that I needed a gold sink. Thought, well I'm not sure if their inventories will get better but it might so lets give it a shot. From what I can tell, their inventories get bigger and some nice things do start to show up more consistently. One of them is what you asked. Yes, flying scrolls do start to show up more if you invest. I now have 109 flying scrolls in storage from my magic vendors. Evolution potions also aren't too rare to find show up at this level. Potions of potential and scrolls of wonder scrolls are regular. Bought 4 wonder scrolls off of that one vendor in the picture. Not pictured because this happened before your post but I was able to get 2 spellbooks of wish today off of my house vendors.

>>15755186
That's good to know thanks. Speaking of wishes, I decided to follow the advice of the anons earlier. I had no stock of wish when I started to read a normal spell book of wish. I managed to get around 600 or so stock from it so that's pretty cool. Used it to get potions of descent which I blessed for levels. I then blessed my other spell book of wish and got around 1000 stock. Wanted to know the difference between a blessed book and unblessed book so I ran that test. Did the same and got more potions of descent which I blessed. Grand total, 44 potions of descent/44 levels and 220 bonus points. Pretty cool.

>>15755064
Maybe. I'd pay extra attention to what is killing you or what you're having difficulty with and try to solve it. Maybe you have resist problems, status ailment problems, or you need to grind out damage skills/spells some more because you aren't killing things fast enough. Try to figure out what exactly your pain point is and report back. People might be able to help you then.

>> No.15755390

>>15755319
what level is your Memorization?

>> No.15755501

>>15755390
1,107

>> No.15756013

So, i am about to do a very dumb thing and i want to ask you guys beforehand.

Does absolute piercing chance stack or is it "the highest bonus" sort of deal?

>> No.15756030

>>15756013
They stack, but you won't get much either way.

>> No.15757451

So i've done some testing, seems that Casting grows at the same rate regardless whether i have the Magic Canceller equipped or not.

Can somebody help me figuring out what it's use is?

>> No.15757454

Wynan didn't drop me a magic stone. Is this supposed to happen or? Got his halberd though.

>> No.15758138

>>15757454
He doesn't physically drop it, it just says you got the stone in the quest.

>> No.15758198

Continuing from an earlier idea:

If you find a Little Sister in the dungeon, you CAN dupe her with astral light pens. Unfortunately, you can't dupe once she's been recruited.

This basically converts to a special item per 10 wishes, which, as has been pointed out, isn't so great if you're after Hero Cheese.

You can also get Statues of Kumiromi / Gem of Kumiromi. If you're at the point where you're swimming in wishes, this might be a convenience feature. Of course, by that point you probably already have enough statues/gems by other means.

In the end I can't find a good use for this trick.

Unrelated thought: is it possible to use Necromancy instead of Summon Spirit in Party quests? Is there any advantage to do so?

>> No.15758225

>>15758198
>Summoned undead no longer contribute to performing score [from next version partial changelog]
It won't be for long.

>> No.15758367

>>15757451
I can't really test with Kai since I don't have the Magic Canceller and his casting is already capped but I wonder if these fifth god rewards would help get around potential problems you will have once you reach the very high levels of a skill. For instance, when I got to around 1,800 Martial Arts I noticed I couldn't gain any exp for my skill, no matter what I fought, unless my potential was higher than 360. When I capped casting I had similar problems with having to keep my potential high to get exp. So what if you lower the skill? Would that mean you don't have to worry as much about potential? So if I had 1,999 in a skill and reduced it by 684, I'd be left with 1,315. I think about that point your potential can drop to around 260 and you'll be fine but anything lower you won't be gaining any exp or it slows down horribly.

Anyhow, can't verify this but it's an idea.

>> No.15758428

So do Tonfa work with shield bash or not? I've seen the wiki say both.

>> No.15758561

>>15758428
I don't use shield bash however if I'm understanding the wiki right, it's now a gauge attack/invoked special. Unarmed or even with two tonfas equipped you get the MA gauge attack which is explosion not shield bash.

If you want a reliable way to dim opponents I'd look into purchasing from the NPC Leold the trait charm.

>> No.15759000

Is it possible to apply elona custom to elona+ if you're using a osx?

>> No.15759014

>>15759000
Yes, simply overwrite the Elona+ files with the Elona Custom files. Make sure to set Wine to Windows 7 compatibility mode for it to run properly. For any other questions, please consult the pastebin, wiki, or the thread.

>> No.15759020

>>15759014
Thanks mang. I hope I can grapple this beast of a game soon.

>> No.15759295

Whats the "easy mode" Race+Class to start with?

>> No.15759333

>>15759295
Snail tourist

>> No.15759347

>>15759295
Juere gunner/farmer/pianist/wizard depends on your playstyle.

>> No.15759348

>>15759295
Enable debug races in the config, catgod.

>> No.15759352

>>15759295
Any of the extra races with good speed will get you off to a trivial start (just keep your distance and kill everything from afar), at the cost of being terrible for lategame.

>> No.15759376

>>15759295
and here I thought I was going to beat someone before they said snail tourist. Anyhow, snail tourist if you hate yourself but the pastebin has some recommended race and class combos if you're starting. Juere is usually considered the newbie race. Mainly because lots of newbs tend to die from starvation and Juere have slow metabolism leading them not to have to eat as much. Warrior is pretty straightforward if you want to go dungeon clearing. Performer is alright class for making gold and for introducing you to the harsh realties of Elona.

Whatever you choose, you need to go into the game with the mindset that you're not a hero. In fact, you're nobody that is weak as all shit. Hell, there's a board showing other adventurers in the world and they are much stronger than you are and a whole lot more famous. You are practically a worthless peasant. If you are to make it Elona and want gold, fame, and to live the life of an adventurer, get ready to work for it! and die in the process as you learn how to survive. You will die a lot but hopefully you will be learning stuff so you can survive longer and be more successful. With that mindset, you'll be ready to take on the world of Elona.

>> No.15759431

>>15759352
But is it really that bad actually? Maybe it will be hard for him to get AP but he don't need to grind it so much to get his 800 speed. Is there anything else I don't know?

>> No.15759508

>>15759431
Well, you also lose out on racial feats--the only difference between races that matter in endgame--and I'm not sure you can get any AP outside of the Void at speed 500 INI. But I've never gotten past chapter 1 to know how AP grindan' works.

>> No.15759524

>>15759431
I use AP to get bonus skill points to raise my skills. A person who can't get as much AP I think will be slower than me in raising skills.

>> No.15759654

>>15759376
I like this about elona. You start out as a dumbs hit pretending to be an adventurer but work hard to become the real thing. Then there are some that work so hard they transcend and become even stronger than the supposed gods of the world.

>> No.15760314

I bought tactical attack for my defender. But why doesn't it seem to ever use it?

>> No.15760316

>>15760314
Sorry, by 'it' I meant shadow step, which the wiki says should be given as a special action when you buy tactical attack.

>> No.15760398

>>15760316
It's buried underneath a lot of actions that hold more priority in the default AI. Thus, it practically never uses it. Don't fret though, now that you've learned it on the Defender, you can probably use Elona Custom and configure it to actually use it.

>> No.15761111

How good are gokiburis as pets? Do they retain their resistances?

>> No.15761123

>>15760316
Move check (to see if a pet is at their preferred distance) is done before the AI routine is called. If the pet isn't at their preferred distance, then the pet moves and the AI routine never gets called. The random chance for shadowstep from tactical attack is inside the AI routine. Ergo, a pet with preferred distance of 1 will never use it from tactical attack (there might be some exceptions).

>> No.15761127

Does Lend the taker ever sell any level 175+ monster balls? I want to get a Kali as a riding pet, but even though I invested him up to rank 500ish, the highest ball I got was about 150.

>> No.15761423

>>15761127
just dominate, it's so much simpler than dealing with balls

>> No.15761534

How much faith exactly do I need to be able to bless water? It says on the wiki I need faith and then mix with an altar but it doesn't say how much.

>> No.15761587

>>15761534
You don't mix the water with the altar. You just drop the bottles of water on the altar. I have never heard of needing to have a specific faith skill level to bless water. Only thing regarding faith is that you have to drop the water on the altar of the god you're worshiping. For instance, if you're worshiping Ehekatl, you drop the bottles of water on an Ehekatl altar to have them blessed.

>> No.15761644

>>15761587
Shit, I guess I'm retarded. Must have mis-read it on the wiki. Thanks anon.

>> No.15762090

Any easy ways to get incognito when starting out in vanilla 1.22?

>> No.15762525

>>15761423
My character is only level 53. How many levels in domination would I need to train myself up to in order to dominate a Kali?

>> No.15763118

Is there something wrong with awakened dungeons?

I noticed that when i go into them, sometimes i finish normally, and sometimes when i go down the stairs the dungeon loses its "awakened" property.

Is this a bug or am i doing something wrong?

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