07th expansion thread

[Anonymous No.]

Higurashi and Higanbana are okay

Umineko too I guess

[Anonymous No.]

so apparently generals are only okay when you don't call them generals? what the fuck, janitors.

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<--- Real Janitor's photo.

[Anonymous No.]

Delete and go to >>15668328

>>15668332
The old one was pruned too. Janitor had a tantrum because of that cunt Juliette I guess.

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>>15668332
If that was the case then how did drawfag/VC/Elona generals live by for all this time?
Made another one almost at the same time as this one
>>15668328
Either one works

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>>15668332
Apparently, having a thread about Koisheep is okay.

So anyway. Bernkastel's butt.


>>15668337
>implying your thread won't get deleted
I'll be around when you'll be homeless.

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Reposting just in case :

link to EP1-EP6 Explanation
>http://pastebin.com/EAnWKaKV
link to the Sprite Batch
>https://www.mediafire.com/?nx7jbx84zr29k
link to the Original/PS3/Steam sprite comparison images
>mega:///#!JdoyFAQB!KV5KiHjRovwZPtEMkhLGg0gMF5gAii6XC8UWCFeEvm0
link to the main wiki (beware that although the wiki is correct on a big sum of topics, it's not an omnipotent information source, so do not trust every word without comparing it to your own experiences and those of other anons)
>http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/Umineko_no_Naku_Koro_ni_Wiki

link for Ougon Musou Kyoku/CROSS (In order to unlock Lambdadelta and Bern, you need to install in order OMK->OMK Patch->OMK-CROSS->CROSS Patch in the same folder. The Installer might take a bit to load, but be patient enough and it'll be just fine. This torrent includes all four parts mentioned above.)
>magnet:?xt=urn:btih:3a9a05a5223fbbe59de31644579e644050e6c044&dn=Ougon+Musou+Kyoku+%2B+Cross+Expansion+and+patch+updates&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.leechers-paradise.org%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fzer0day.ch%3A1337&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.demonii.com%3A1337&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fexodus.desync.com%3A6969

Alternatively, you can download the pre-installed version of CROSS from here.
>https://mega.nz/#F!U5ZWCTiT!CGakA0jIaRJHwIOgoqoEDw

[Anonymous No.]

Well that was random.

[Anonymous No.]

Keep it to one thread or they're going to get pruned again.

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>>15668360
This thread was done two minutes earlier.

[Anonymous No.]

rip dlanor thread

may she forever remain the best

[Anonymous No.]

>/seacats/ is kill

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>>15668400
Not
>Dlanor's thread died the death
You had one job.

[Anonymous No.]

Okay what the hell
Are you really telling me linking pastebins and mega links related to the umineko thread instead of just "Umineko thread" magically makes it off topic? I haven't posted anything outside of /seacats/ here or in any board, let alone even comment somewhere for the entirety of the last two days.

I'll try making a similar thread after this one dies in case the main one got pruned just because this one was made faster. If the same thing happens again, then I don't know what else to do other than just go back to "Umineko Thread" while the janitor strokes his dick over his immense autism

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>>15668337
I think the same and I'm sorry. I'm going to stop playing the fool for some time. I didn't want this to happen.

[Anonymous No.]

What happened to the last thread?

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>>15668454
Wew.

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>>15668483
Died.

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>>15668493
What with that theory that Ange and Erika are the same person?

[Anonymous No.]

Rosa was the best Ushiromiya mother.

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>>15668510
I shipe Erika and Battler.

[Anonymous No.]

Post badass seacats music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CghhwavahxM

[Anonymous No.]

>>15668528
>badass
>no organ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPkKuKc4-2I for life.

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>>15668508
They're not. The theory is that in the Trick end, Ange sees Erika. In another separate theory, essentially, anything that involves the meta never happened. However, when Ange sees Erika, she is becoming figuratively like Ange, an agent of Truth, a tool of the mystery fans to uncover the truth of what happened on the island.

>>15668530
Organs are so gloomy.

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>>15668536
Not always : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ksK1dudxDw

>mfw the Steam version of umineko doesn't have a sound test option
Why live

[Anonymous No.]

Read this thread on warosu.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35dnAFiOz1k

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>>15668543
What is the fucking point in getting the Steam version?

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>>15668543
>sound test option
You mean the Music Box? It's there

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>>15668549
Buying the game and giving Ryukishi my money.

Since I pirated the shit out of it when it came out.

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>>15668543
>Not always
I always felt Dance of the moon rabbits was a gloomy track.
Especially at the 0:35 seconds mark.

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>>15668554
>paying money for seacats
It isn't THAT good of a series.

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>>15668559
Fucking poorfags.

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>>15668559
Watch a nigga BITE like eatin' a McWhooper down in compton

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>>15668559
It kept me busy for weeks and I read all of it, so I think it deserves my brouzoufs.

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>>15668563
>>15668572
It is a mediocre series written by a hack of a writer. Why would you feel bad about not paying him any money?

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>>15668577
Because I'm too lazy to pirate it again and the music causes me to experience intense nostalgia.

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>>15668577
Uh-huh. You're trying too hard now.

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>>15668556
Okay, so how about that : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWPBKAqJgsw

Mind you, I don't know if there are organs. I don't know much about music.

>>15668577
Are you trying to get him to justify your own love for this serie?

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>>15668583
Fair enough.

>>15668587
I ain't even trying,

>>15668593
I d-don't like it or anything, really...

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>>15668617
Jesus, the faces the witches makes are horrifying.

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>>15668454
>>15668625
VN expressions were better

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>>15668625
VN expressions were better

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>>15668631
Ryukishi's pictures are actually tolerable because of how goofy his style was.

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>>15668636
I really didn't see them as goofy. I thought they were unique and expressive. I don't think his Umineko sprites looked bad.

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>>15668643
i agree.. at first they looked bad but they grow on you over time

[Anonymous No.]

Did we lose a couple threads?

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>>15668720
The last thread got deleted for some reason.

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>>15668720
>yfw they are pads
Poor Georges is in for a surprise.

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>>15668549
Better translation, lambda is dropping F bomb constantly for example.

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone help me solve umineko I have read it a few times but still am confused

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>>15668400
I wanna cute Dlanor and pat her on the head.

[Anonymous No.]

When is the graphics mod for Steam Umineko and Steam Tatarigoroshi coming out? I wanna play those updated translations but the "updated" Steam graphics are so bad.

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>>15668846
Can't you still apply the PS3 sprite patch like you do with the original?
Or is the file directory formatted differently?
I never had a chance to buy it myself, so I'm not that knowledgeable about it

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>>15668841
Simply put, all the episodes are written by different characters.
The first two were found in bottles, the others were written by Touhya to help Battler remember, and the last are Ange's conclusion.

Need more details?

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>>15668805
No boobs and no hole.

Their weeding night will be hilarious

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>>15668877
There's always the backhole. But between Jessica, Battler and Georges...

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>>15668885
Battler is always the one who wins.

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>>15668856
>the others were written by Touhya to help Battler remember
That's not completely right, they were written after he got his memories back

[Anonymous No.]

Yes I have a few questions .. mainly how everything was supposed to make Battler remember his promise, and also how Beatrice was being manipulated by the other two witches.
I am also having trouble linking all the episodes into one solution

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>>15668899
I also have a question about episode 6.. it says Beatrice was created to serve battler..but i can't really see how based on the first 4 episodes. She also becomes the full Beatrice to save battler from a closed room. So is that already applying to battler before episode 6?

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>>15668896
I thought he only regained his memory in the end, where he goes to meet Ange in the rebuilt Rokkenjima?

>>15668899
The others witches may or may not exist. It depends if you consider that the episode really happened or not.
But the basic idea is that it's like that:
>Beatrice is buttdevastated
>she makes a plan to kill everyone in Rokkenjima because fuck you
Since she succeeds, Lambdadelta aknowledge her as a witch and help her set up a game, just so that she can lure Bernkastel in a game and ogle her or something, meanwhile Bernkastel just tries to win.

>>15668906
Because "Beatrice" basically presses all of Battler's fetishes : a busty, blonde, smart woman.

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>>15668805
Not in the GOLDEN LAND.

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>>15668912
>Since she succeeds

She never actually got to because of Kyrie and Rudolf. Rokkenjima happened before EP1, which is a message bottle story Yasu wrote.

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>>15668912
Yes but it's mentioned multiple times Beatrice is a "bird in a cage" due to both of the witches. So it's not that simple

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>>15668720
Yes. Apparently generals are only allowed if you don't call them that. Also, any conversation of how those threads were deleted also gets deleted in about 5-10 minutes.

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>>15668942
Time line is this:
>Confession of the golden witch
>EP7 Tea Party
>Manga Chapter "When the Seagulls Cry"
>Ep1
>Ep2, etc.

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>>15668950
which is a bullshit retcon but whatever.

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>>15668954
Its not a retcon. It's always been that way, the manga just spells it out in a completely explicit manner.

[Anonymous No.]

Dumping my quicky translations that no one else will bother with because they aren't filthy fujoshi

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>>15668957
no, Meta-Battler being post-Magic Ending Battler and not the Battler from EP1's fragment is bullshit.

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>>15668545
TENGEN TOPPA OH DESIRE

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>>15668967
Will is perfect

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>>15668971
Whatever you say, stay in denial.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15668977
Lion moe

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>>15668971
He's kind of both, since he doesn't remember anything

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>>15668805

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>>15668984
already posted this a few days ago

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>>15668999
not mine but a goody

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>>15668990
no, it's either one or the other. if he was just an amnesiac, he shouldn't have a straight track of memories, and since he never went hmm for some reason I have no memories of what I did yesterday or any hints at all of him NOT being from EP1's fragment him having some vaguely defined amnesia is a complete asspull and a retcon.

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>>15668971
Okay then.

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>>15668942
She suceeds, since she ascend to witchhood. Her closed box of Rokkenjima worked.

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>>15669015
glad we have that straightened out.

[Anonymous No.]

what is the true form of beatrice that she wants battler to find?

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>>15669022
Yasu.

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>>15669012
There doesn't need to be hints, its not a mystery part of the series. There wasn't any hints about Tohya until Episode 8.

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>>15669021
Glad to see you're a retard that can't understand the explicit way the manga is written.

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>>15669022
the true form of her crotch

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone else love this as much as me?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj_S_FPsDes

[Anonymous No.]

>>15668967
>>15668977
>>15668984
>>15668999
Cute pics. They're mine now.

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>>15669033
Literally all I understand are "chinchin", who means penis, and "Otou-sama", who means father.
I take it Battler asks which one has the dick, and Beatrice is horrified.

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>>15669033
Maybe if I could read moonrunes.

[Anonymous No.]

What's your favorite Higurashi Op and why is it this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJgr8D6SVu4

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>>15669033
I don't understand the language of the moonwalkers.

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>>15669024
Because despite what anti-fantasyfags say, knowing that Tohya exists really doesn't change anything about the game other than the parts relevant to Ange, which were built up to prior.

And not having any hints or foreshadowing is proof of either terrible writing or a retcon. It doesn't need to be part of a mystery to be a complete asspull.

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>>15669060
Well since rokkenjima prime takes place before the games its kind of fucking obvious Meta-Battler is prime Battler. You don't need any foreshadowing to figure out something so obvious.

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>>15669029
glad to see you don't know what a retcon is.

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>>15669068
EP1 isn't a game because you sort of need more than one player for that.

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>>15669044
>>15669047
I'll just translate Battler since he's the comedy. Zepar and Furfur mostly are just deflecting and trying to remain cool but eventually Furfur breaks down.

>More importantly which one of you has a peepee?

>Furfur (furu furu) as in your peepee goes *wiggle wiggle* (furu furu)?

>DYU YUU HABU PEE PEE?

>Something about grabbing both their crouches at once to feel which one has what (GOOD)

>WHICH ONE PEE PEE?

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>>15669069
Its always been that way. Its not a recton.
Prime takes place before the games.
The manga just spells it out in a more obvious way.
I'm just going to stop responding now unless you say something exceptionally retarded, because its obvious nothing I say will sway your denial in the slightest.

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>>15669078
So "chinchin" is a childish term for a wang?

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>>15669075
Its always referred to as a game. Your headcanon doesn't change that fact.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15669084
It's not denial. Just because prime took place first doesn't mean Meta-Battler is Prime Battler.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15669091
yeah, its pretty a juvenile term

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>>15669093
Yes, it's a 'gameboard', but not in the same way that EP2-6 are because there's only one Battler.

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>>15669044
>>15669047
>>15669058
"Well then, those who wish to receive the blessing, the miracle of love may come forth!"
"Rather than that, which one of you two is the one with a penis?"
"F-Father?"
"Uhuhu, oops, straight into the chase, huh?"
"I got kinda taken aback without noticing, right Zepar?"
"Which of the two of you is the one with a penis?"
"Father!"
"Is there one (a penis, self implied), is there not one? Such things are trivial."
"Zepar and Furfur, there's no reason to bother with gender on cute things like us!"
"Does the name Furfur (pun written as furu furu which roughly translates to a dangling SFX a penis makes) imply the furu furu a penis makes?"
"Father!!"
"Hahahah! You sure are in high spirits (/hot blooded), aren't you Battler?!"
"Regarding who's what is something we'll leave up to your imagination!"
"Ｄｏ　ｙｏｕ　ｈａｖｅ　ｃｈｉｎｃｈｉｎ？"
"Please help me Zepar!"
"Furfur!"
"But it's a simple thing. Just show me"
"Show what?!"
"Father?!"
"Battler, we'd like you to avoid profound questions."
"Y-Yes, using sexual harassment against a demon makes you a bad person!"
"Love and sexual identification are two different things. Us two are demons of love!"
"We're not in a position to satisfy your sexual curiosity. I'd love if you'd come to understand that!"
"You may allow me to go 'crack' and put my hands right below those bulging areas between your thighs"
*Aaah! Ｇｏｏｄ"
"Sexual harassment!"
"Furfur!"
"I can't do this anymore.."
"I'm going home.."
"You're not acting like yourself-!"
"To which of the two of you is there a-"
"Please stop already!"

This was a translation of a gag that ended up being not that funny once you actually bother with it sponsored by everyone's loved No.1 erikafag

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>>15669004

This Dlanor face always makes me lose.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15669151
I didn't asked for the translation, but thanks.

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>>15669151
Dunno, I like Beatrice in this.

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>>15669151
>everyone's loved No.1 erikafag

You sound like cancer and should feel bad.

>>15669159
same, Will's shame is great too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15669166
Whatever helps you sleep at night, man

[Anonymous No.]

I hate Bernkastel.
But Rika is cute and deserves a good ending.

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[Anonymous No.]

Explain pls

[Anonymous No.]

>>15669238

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>>15669250
More indepth than that, anon

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Is it explained anywhere why there's a huge age difference between Rika at the end of Higurashi and Bern at the beginning of Umineko? I mean, when Rika separates from Bern, she'd be 100 years old at that point, but she then claims to be 1000+ years old in Umineko. What was she doing for those 900+ years?

I screwed up by playing Umineko before Higurashi, so I don't remember if there was an explanation for this or not.

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>>15669308
They're not the same characters. Umineko's Bernkastel and Higurashi's Bernkastel are different characters that just happen to look the same.

[Anonymous No.]

Post your favorite pages of the manga

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>>15669368
What the fuck.

Can we just post cute stuff?

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>>15669342
But what about this then? Did that just coincidentally happen to her as well?

[Anonymous No.]

I always feel so bad whenever Kumasawa, Gohda and Nanjo die.

Definitely the underdog characters in Umineko.

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>>15669386
>manga
Nice try but I'm referring to the canon VN. The retcon manga doesn't count.

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>>15669398
>Feeling bad for Kumasawa and Nanjo
Only Godha and Jessica were decent human beings
Krauss too but he was kind of a bully when he was young

[Anonymous No.]

>>15669402
And here comes the big one

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>>15669398
They all tried to fix Kinzo's obsession and help, and got killed for that.

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>>15669368
Holy shit I want to fug that Battler

[Anonymous No.]

>>15669414
Erika, try to control your desires.

[Anonymous No.]

I wish they used Dread of the Grave more often. I really like it, but I can't remember any time they used it.

Except at the end of the first Tea Party when Battler challenges Beatrice.

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>>15669402
That scene is in the VN as well

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>>15669382
>those cunty witch faces

Im laffin. R07 sure has a way with emotional expression

>>15669386
Do we have much of a theory on Lambda's backstory? We know she existed before Higu. Perhaps her origins are in a yet to be revealed work?

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>>15669441
But you are wrong
The song that plays during Ep 1 TP is Prision Strip
Dread of the grave plays when Battler finds out a master Key in Jessica's corpse and in other battles of wits aganist Beato

[Anonymous No.]

jp help me reach the level of game master.. with your help i can do it

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>>15669582
Step 1 : create yourself an imaginary friend.
Step 2 : create 10 more.
Step 3 : commit mass murder.
Step 4 : ?????
Step 5 : you are now a witch.

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>>15669589
>choosing Endless difficulty

Easier ways to be a witch. Just find out what magic works best for you and be acknowledged

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>>15669402
Hey, calling out the manga for retcons is my thing. And that's not a retcon, dumbass.

>>15669308
Witch age is metaphorical. For instance, depending on who you ask, Beatrice is either 19 years old, 6 years old, or 1 year old (I think the letter incident was one year ago?) but she's regarded as a thousand year old witch.

Although, Bern HAS gone an indeterminate amount of time fucking around in different fragments after she stopped serving Featherine, and an equally indeterminate amount of time doing that after she realized she wasn't the 'right' Rika and became a witch.

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>>15669600
Nah, don't need that last part. What we know for certain is this:

1. Endure an unimaginable amount of suffering
2. ?????
3. Do something impressive
4. ?????
5. Witch

or you could just be worst girl impress your master enough to get her to pretend you're a witch.

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>>15669655
You have be acknowledged, its the only real requirement. It takes at least two to make a universe and furniture doesn't count.

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>>15669664
Lambda's story never mentioned her being acknowledged. Battler was already using golden witch magic before 34 declared that he was a witch. Lambdadelta's 'acknowledgment' of Beatrice was that she was ALREADY a witch.

Also, a witch and a universe are two different things.

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>>15669699
You should go back and re-read things regarding being a witch/god and the allegory for a universe. In normal circumstances you must have acknowledgment from a being higher than you. Battler was not a witch until he fulfilled the requirement set up by "the rules" and acknowledged by Lambda and Featherine.

Also in Higurashi Takano for the same reason needed the acknowledgement of society at large in order to become a God which is just a higher form of a witch. Even though she had the equivalent of Red Truth on her side it didn't matter if no one believed her father's thesis. Similar to how Virgilias gift of "Natsuhi is not the culprit" was useless to Battler before being acknowledged by the rules of the game and being allowed to use golden truth in his own right as a witch.

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>RUDOLF/KYRIE CULPRIT THEORY hurr durr
>muh ep 7 tea party
>muh ep 8 Bern Puzzle

>there isn't literally a single piece of evidence but if y-you don't b-believe it you are a retard

When will this autism end already?

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>>15669398
Gohda is actually fucking popular.

Kumasawa is en entirely useless character so she deserves the unpopularity.

Nanjo and Genji are underrated as fuck, though.

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>>15669742
>Takano for the same reason needed the acknowledgement of society at large in order to become a God which is just a higher form of a witch.

NO.

The 'gods' Lambda referse to in Lambda's Diary refers to are creator witches. Like Featherine. Which Takano did not even come CLOSE to being. Takano wanted to become God in the more traditional sense.

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>>15669405
Actually, most of them were decent in my opinion.

The really shitty ones were: Rudolf, Eva, Kinzo, Yasu.

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>>15669752
Hey, I don't like it any more than you do but it's pretty hard to deny it when R07 went LOOK LOOK THIS IS THE ONLY ANSWER THIS MANGA IS TOTALLY CANON.

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>>15669788
Man you are so off base and clueless for someone that clearly seems to be very into WTC. Takano wanted to be God in the very figurative sense of the word by spearheading the Truth of Hinamizawa syndrome in the name of her father.

She is linchpin for the whole Higurashi story and its her force of will that earns her the same protection that any "witch" gets from Lambda and achieved the same result in ever shard except the one "miracle" where she was defeated. If she had won against Rika in the end she would have achieved her result and moved up from witch to God of the "Great Hinamizawa Disaster" as a permanent fixture of that universe, writing the narrative as she saw fit.

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>>15669792
I can't take the manga seriously when it is so obvious that the only reason it was made this way is because of all the shit R07 got from fans for ep8.

It just screams "Hey guys sorry for that shitty ep8, here is everything you have ever wanted to see, I made it just for you guys so please don't be assblasted anymore, okay? Keep on buying 07th Expansion stuff!!"

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>>15669811
I didn't really get that impression. To me it just seems like he wanted to reveal everything in the end, since the manga is more or less the ending of Umineko as a whole

[Anonymous No.]

>>15669804
Nothing I said contradicts any of that, except for the fact that you say she's a witch and what you said would happen if Lambda had won, both of which seems to me like nothing but conjecture.

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>>15669842
>he wanted to reveal everything in the end
Nah, I am almost certain that he only did it because of the pressure. Why not reveal everything in ep 8 game too then? Because fans weren't content. R07 said that the heavy criticism almost made him quit writing entirely. Obviously he expected different/better results.

I get that he pretty much ended the franchise with the manga and thus it can be seen as him wanting to reveal everything before closing the curtain....but I am not buying it. Honestly, I don't the manga would be different the VN it weren't for shit he got for ep8.

Well, e8 sucks anyway in my opinion - regardless of whether it is the manga or VN. He should have just ended the whole thing after ep7.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15669842
He's said from the beginning that he WOULDN'T outright say the answer, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15669874
>He should have just ended the whole thing after ep7.
But then it wouldn't really have an ending though. Say what you will about EP8, but at least it's climatic.

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>>15669873
I don't see the point or threat of Takano winning or Lambda's protection if you don't interpret it as her fulfilling her wish of becoming a God through her force of will.

I really have a hard time talking to you autistic types that refuse to understand clear implications and parallels because they are not spelled out in a literal sense for you (and even then).

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>>15669879
But he did that even before Episode 8's manga existed. There are lots of interviews where he comfirms that Yasu is the culprit and all that

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>>15669886
>I don't see the point or threat of Takano winning or Lambda's protection if you don't interpret it as her fulfilling her wish of becoming a God through her force of will.
The difference is your interpretation of becoming a god is far more literal than mine.

>clear implications and parallels
The clear implication that being on the winning team would give her UNLIMITED POWER?

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>>15669887
It had a FAR BETTER ending than ep8. Twilight was fucking fan-fiction tier. Literally pointless waste of time. I got the impression that he didn't really know what to do for the last episode since everything that was necessary was said in ep7 already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15669898
You do understand everything in WTC that is supernatural is allegorical right? I mean, I think you LITERALLY think witches and creator gods are magic and that the same rules don't apply to Takano because she's speaking figuratively. Takano becomes a god by dictating the Truth of Hinamizawa Syndrome and the pursuant Disaster. This puts her on the level of "God" i.e. someone who dictates reality. Its as simple as that.

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>>15669909
No it didn't at all.
Ep8 is the perfect conclusion and its obvious thats what it was leading up to.
There were so many loose ends at that point.

[Anonymous No.]

Seriously, what the hell, Battler?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15669909
7 was shit until the tea party though, just an info-dump without an actual plot.

[Anonymous No.]

Explain the mystery.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15670212

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>>15670218
Holy shit, rosatricefags STILL exist?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15670212
I agree with him, someone explain

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>>15669909
Even if you hated it, Episode 8 was necessary to tie up Ange's story. I'm not sure how you could think that the ending to episode 7 was a satisfying end to Umineko as a whole.

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>>15670212
it's a murder mystery novel where the murders are not the mystery

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>>15669919
>You do understand everything in WTC that is supernatural is allegorical right? I mean, I think you LITERALLY think witches and creator gods are magic
They are. Bern and 34, for one, don't make sense if they aren't.

I do admit that I misinterpreted your statement that she would be 'a permanent fixture of that universe, writing the narrative as she saw fit' as her becoming a being similar to Featherine, though.

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>>15669752
>Manga confirms it in multiple ways
>Bern continues to taunt Clair's corpse about it even after Ange is chewed up
>Hurr durr manga isn't canon R07 is trying to trick you hurr durr

When will this autism end already?

[Anonymous No.]

Let's talk about Erika!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15670343
Let's not!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15670347
Okay!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15670343
I want to bully her!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15670343
Her boyfriend was a scumbag

[Anonymous No.]

>>15670442
>implying
He loved her with all his heart. Erika lacked loved to see it.

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>>15670449
Just like he "lacked loved" to hide all the evidence of him cheating.

Just like he called his loved one annoying and dumped her?

You can fake being in love but there's just so much evidence against him that any rational person would be able to tell that he was cheating on her.

There's only so many coincidences you can encounter before having to conclude that the unknown perfume, the unexplained disappearances and the weird glances he's giving to that other girl all lead to one thing.

You don't even need to be a detective to uncover the truth behind that.

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>>15670483
You cannot prove a negative.

>Just like he called his loved one annoying and dumped her?
Love is an illusion, a misunderstanding.
Mutual love is a mutual misunderstanding of being mutually loved.
Love is an illusion on both sides, and so long as both sides push the illusion of love towards the other side, love will persist. However, Erika stopped her pushing and love crumbled, so the boyfriend lost the will to maintain his love.
Just as people become disillusioned by their love over time, it only takes a crack for the illusion of love to break and to seek an alternative.

There was no proof that the boyfriend did not keep pushing love towards Erika, but there is evidence that Erika lacked love by looking for a negative that could never be proven.

>There's only so many coincidences you can encounter before having to conclude that the unknown perfume, the unexplained disappearances and the weird glances he's giving to that other girl all lead to one thing.
Those are called suspicions, not evidence. If he hangs out with a girl, is that proof of infidelity? Does looking at the side when a girl passes mean that he has burning desires to rape that girl?

Without love it cannot be seen and Erika lacked love to see that he was faithful.

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck this shit post moar Dlanor

[Anonymous No.]

>>15670513
Jesus that tumblr shit.

[Anonymous No.]

How do I replace wa_022.ogg and wa_023.ogg in the Steam version of Higurashi with the ones on the old MangaGamer version? I tried to do it but those effects played at double speed after I replaced them.

They're the creepy piano chord ( https://youtu.be/fxjS0vbygUY )and the other unsettling sound ( https://youtu.be/iVay367HM3Y )

[Anonymous No.]

>>15670513
Okay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15670539
Arghh this annoying sound. Why would you want that wwaaaaaooooooooooohhhhnnnnnnn sound?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15670539
>>15670554
Fuck now I have this fucking sound endlessly playing in my head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PomZJao7Raw

Fuck you

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4xsax5gQQo

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>>15670506
Imagine yourself in FErika's shoes. You're a super detective that can notice minor details with ease. One day you notice something off with your loved one, and the next day and the day after. So you decide to investigate and you come up with all this evidence that points to him cheating on you.

What are you to do at that point?
Keep trusting him, even though the evidence doesn't add up? Yes you could keep trusting him and become a victim of manipulation or perhaps he's telling the truth and you just misunderstood the evidence.

Bottom line is, do you trust your self more than you do someone else, and for me the answer is quite obvious

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>>15670587
>One day you notice something off with your loved one,
There was nothing off. Erika was actively looking for something wrong.

Imagine yourself in the boyfriend's shoes, with a damn annoying brat asking you where's you've been, stalking you endlessly, always calling you to ask you where you've been and pointing out every single plausible incorrect fact in an attempt to prove that you cheated on her when you in fact never did anything.

>So you decide to investigate and you come up with all this evidence that points to him cheating on you.
Please there was never any evidence.

Many things were found from his room.
From those evidences, it is possible to deduce that I am loved by you.

Many things were found from my room.
From those evidences, it is possible to deduce that I also love you.

Nothing was found from his room.
However, I can't deny the existence of an undiscovered evidence X of unfaithfulness.

All Erika knew is that she didn't find the evidence that may or may not have been there.

Personally, I wouldn't have given a shit and told Erika to leave me if she ever found any evidence while sleeping with as many women as possible to see if she would notice. It would've driven her completely insane.

[Anonymous No.]

It's funny really. She desperately sought after the truth and not love, while using love as the rational basis of her insanity.
If she was suspicious, all she had to do was break up. But no, she had to act like a complete jealous and possessive little brat, too stuck up on proving the truth rather than having a good time.
Erika is a worthless woman and a terrible detective. In all aspect of life, she can only be considered a failure.

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>>15670607
>>15670628
You and me are falling out. You can sleep on the couch tonight

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>>15670639
That fine, we can leave Erika in the dog house where she belongs.

[Anonymous No.]

Hee hee hee

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder why the mod is so blind sometimes.
>>15670665
Why are you laughing?

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>>15670670
Twisting the knife is funny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15669238
Well, I think that person have had enough, but I'm not completely sure. I might be wrong. Also that pic is in darkness, the person is probably in despair because he's now very poor and he doesn't have electricity on his house. Neither water or food, he's dying. Maybe he's just delirious from his debts, or maybe because he can't feed his cat Bernkastel in the dark because he can't find her so he instead eat the cat food to survive, he sometimes cries
Tohya: I lost my kitty! Where's my kitty?! But it's hopeless. He lost contact with reality. I mean "witches" Poor crazy moron.
>>15670680
I don't understand and I don't want to.

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>>15670513
Sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15670513
Why not? There.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15669752
Never.

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[Anonymous No.]

Why did Eva never told Ange the truth?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15671209
Because Ange was an annoying brat who didn't deserve to learn the truth.

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>>15671219
If Ange doesn't deserve the truth, then what does Berkastel deserves?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15671272
Death.
Death death death death death.

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>>15671282
That works too I guess.

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>>15671282
>Dlanor
>a detective who hates magic and burn her own father at the pyre
>sides with Buttkastel

[Anonymous No.]

>>15671385
Bernkastel represents the mystery fans who want to uncover the truth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15671392
I wasn't aware my ass was that great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15671425
Your ass is shit, and full of shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15671436
No shit Captain Obvious. Remember too that blood vessels are full of blood, or that chocolate is 30% cocoa and 70% sugar.

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>>15671282
Why is her left arm like that? Is it a robot arm? Or a glove?

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>>15671459
Just a glove.
She uses her armored arm to run into things while slashing them with her unarmored arm.

Think of it as a shield.

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>>15671459
It's a chess piece showing her strategical superiority

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>>15670321
>Manga
>literally written to please stupid goats
>taking it seriously
And this is why I don't like Umineko. Because of its stupid fans.

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>>15671851

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>>15669943
>ep 8 is the perfect conclusion
It is a fucking disgrace.
>There were so many loose ends at that point.
Like what?

>>15670149
>o-okay I should a write a last chapter
>h-hmm what should it be about?! Idk
>okay let's have everyone in the cast fight against goats
And you call it an actual plot?

7 was one of the best episodes because it actually focused on the mystery instead of fucking around. If anything, the plot wasn't a single bit more retarded than ep8 which consisted of 80% fucking around.

>>15670251
Episode 7 ending with Battler taking Ange to Rokkenjima and showing her "the truth" could have been an ideal ending. I don't it would need more explaining.

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>>15671866
>if I can't argue back then it must be bait
Fucking newfags I swear.

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>>15671880

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>>15671880
There's more to the story than just the mystery. An entire episode dedicated solely to explaining shit may be important, but it's boring as hell. Episode 7 has the least replay value of all the episodes because once you know the truth, there's very little else the story has to offer.

And I don't understand what you dislike about Episode 8. Just saying "it's shit" gives me very little to work with.

>o-okay I should a write a last chapter
>h-hmm what should it be about?! Idk
>okay let's have everyone in the cast fight against goats

This doesn't actually tell me anything about what you disliked about it. you can make any development in any story sound bad by phrasing it like that. For example,

>o-okay I need to a write the explanation
>h-hmm how should I present it?! Idk
>okay let's have some new detective solve it for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15671992
>o-okay, I hate the episode 8
>h-hmm I need to give a reason, do I?
>okay let's just say it's shit

It really works.

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>>15671992
>>15672051
I think it is obvious what is so about ep8. It is a mess. It doesn't add anything necessary to the story. It feels like a OVA made after an anime series is over. It is a little bonus but it doesn't feel like it belongs to the series. Probably good for those who want to see their favorite characters shine one last time.

>There's more to the story than just the mystery
Absolute cancer.
>An entire episode dedicated solely to explaining shit may be important, but it's boring as hell.
Yeah, I bet you missed those epic faggot fantasy scenes, right? Fucking plebs. If there isn't an epic fight scene in it then it is boring! Yeah right.
>Episode 7 has the least replay value of all the episodes because once you know the truth, there's very little else the story has to offer.
Again, I am sorry you can't appreciate a good story and would rather watch those gay ass magic scenes.



>o-okay I need to a write the explanation
>h-hmm how should I present it?! Idk
>okay let's have some new detective solve it for them.
It was the most rational way to do it, after all, Battler already solved everything by the time of ep7 so it was necessary to get a new detective.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15672621
Episode 8 was mandatory to show what happens in the real world and recap Yasu's sad life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15672806
>I don't have a penis
>abloo bloo

[Anonymous No.]

>>15673214
Holy shit you have to be the most obnoxious person I've ever met on 4chan. And that's saying A LOT.
Throw yourself off a cliff and chop your own dick off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15673472
Kinzo, please. You already done enough.

[Anonymous No.]

The more I read umineko, the moreI want to write my own mystery novel.

But if I know how to make a murder, I don't know how to keep the novel running for so long. I don't know how Ryukishi managed to make 8 episodes with "the maid was actually the culprit".

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>>15673504
>I don't know how Ryukishi managed to make 8 episodes with "the maid was actually the culprit".

I get the feeling you're trying to make people argue again.

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>>15672806
> to show what happens in the real world
Not mandatory.

>and recap Yasu's sad life
It was shown in fucking detail in Requiem. No need to recap it. Absolutely not mandatory.

The whole episode was just cash-grabbing,

[Anonymous No.]

>>15673504
Don't focus solely on the mystery. Make something atmospheric and develop your characters before destroying them.

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>>15673504
Mystery doesn't necessarily have murder in it.

>>15673525
>it was the maid who in fact was the butler all along
>nobody ever noticed
>pointing out how ridiculous the whole thing is will get you labeled as a troll
Never change, seacat fans.

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>>15673547
Sincere question, but why develop characters that will die?
I can see why you do it in Umineko and Higurashi since it repeats, (through my image of Krauss shattered in that one episode), but in normal mystery?

>>15673562
Not to mention the good old "the family doctor knew about Kinzo's secret child it all along".
Everyone focuses on the Ushiromiya and forget that the servants and the good doktor Nanjo knew everything.

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>>15673572
Because it makes you care for them and actually crafts a world around what's going on. If you just introduce characters with a bland background mentioned in passing, you don't care for them. Just because you know they won't make it doesn't excuse poor development. Even mysteries need a well rounded universe to them, else it's only interesting for the puzzle. Developing a character deeply gives more insight into their motivations, and can make for very tragic and atmospheric outcomes.

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>>15673572
To make you empatize with them and bring in you in the story as the puzzle solver.

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>>15673572
>through my image of Krauss shattered in that one episode
???

>Sincere question, but why develop characters that will die?
You don't need to develop, I think it is enough if you just make them interesting and enjoyable.

>Not to mention the good old "the family doctor knew about Kinzo's secret child it all along".
Everyone focuses on the Ushiromiya and forget that the servants and the good doktor Nanjo knew everything.

The funniest thing is R07 somehow thinks that a transgender maid disguising himself as the butler being a culprit is something special and praise-worthy.

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>>15673637
>???
He's always described as the firstborn, and when Kinzo is revealed dead, it's shown he's actually a beta cuck that let Nasuhi take care of everything

And Kanon isn't the butler, he's a servant.

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>>15673647
Your image is supposed to be changed. The point is that he's not what he appears to be to his family. That's character development that contributes to the hopelessness of the family that eventually led to the gold room massacre.

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>>15673637
>The funniest thing is R07 somehow thinks that a transgender maid disguising himself as the butler being a culprit is something special and praise-worthy
I'd say that in the VN community that deserves a bit of praise, especially if you plan on keeping the subject relatively serious, because a culprit like that is bound to illicit a lot of comedy if handled improperly

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>>15670543
Where's the full image? The searches give nothing.

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>>15673647
>it's shown he's actually a beta cuck that let Nasuhi take care of everything

Actually, that is why I like Krauss better than the rest of the siblings. He isn't a complete scumbag, he just pretends to be one because he have to or otherwise his siblings wouldn't take him seriously.

>And Kanon isn't the butler, he's a servant.
You know what I mean...

>>15673675
In the VN-genre Umineko as a whole deserves praise, I think. Still, R07 aimed too high when he made it and fell flat in the very end.

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>>15673637
>transgender
Yasu isn't transgendered. She's not under the delusion that she's a boy, she's even more batshit insane than that.

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>>15673747
You got it wrong. She IS a boy, but raised as a girl.
Like Gwyndolin from Dark Souls, with less snakes.

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>>15673562
It really isn't that ridiculous at all.
Why the fuck would you even suspect that two different people you've met are the same person?

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>>15673768
>You got it wrong, She IS a boy, but raised as a girl
[citation needed]
Yasu's gender is ambiguous. Its for the reader to decide.
Personally, I find that all of the narrative and dialogue points to her being a girl.

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>>15673774
You don't have to suspect, you would notice it instantly. Unless Yasu can change his voice when he changes persona and can disguise himself as well as a special agent, the whole thing is bound to fail.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15673784
No, you really wouldn't.
Not everyone is as insightful as you, oh mister genius.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15673784
Like I said, nobody is even going to think that two people are the same person unless they can read fucking minds or are omniscient.

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>>15673793
>No, you really wouldn't.
Can you even comprehend how hard it is to actually disguise yourself? It isn't as simple as putting on different clothes and a hat. Grow up already.

>Not everyone is as insightful as you, oh mister genius.
It isn't about being insightful, probably even a faggot like you could realize when someone is disguising himself as someone other. Disguising yourself takes skills and a long practice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15673820
And like I said there is no need to even think. If one of your friends came to your house in woman's clothes I bet you wouldn't realize that either, right? Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

I wish we could talk about Higurashi instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15673781
>Yasu's gender is ambiguous. Its for the reader to decide.

A body that can't make love implies more than just damage of the female genitalia. I really don't understand why people still think Yasu is a girl. Why the gender confusion then? What about damage to the feminine genitalia would cause confusion about gender represented by Zepar/Furfur Kanon/Shannon? In contrast, the neutering of male sexual potency, the resulting hormonal effects, and the physical change from an external penis to something that more closely resembles female genitalia makes much more sense. Add on to that being raised as a girl and you have the basis for Yasu's insanity. Thinking Yasu's a girl just lightly paints over all the tragedy to make it more easier to digest.

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>>15673784
Boys and girl actually sound similar. It's during puberty that a male's voice become low-pitched.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15673875
And I wish I could spend a hot passionate night with George-sama in my bed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15673898
Yes, they sound similar but you would realize if the same person talks to you in different clothes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15673905
George didn't deserve it to be dead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15673831
>Can you even comprehend how hard it is to actually disguise yourself? It isn't as simple as putting on different clothes and a hat. Grow up already.
I have to agree with this guy. If you pay attention, you can differentiate between people close to you and tell who's who. It's actually quite amazing

[Anonymous No.]

>>15673918
Agreed. Most fans hate him but I found him really cool and sexy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15673930
> between people close to you and tell who's who just by looking at their eyes

Sorry

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>>15673831
>>15673849
>>15673915
Such a thing wouldn't even cross your fucking mind though. There are two different people you meet and then suddenly you're like "OH WAIT YOU'RE THE SAME PEOPLE I MAGICALLY SAW THROUGH YOUR DISGUISE!!!", that's what's hard to swallow.

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>>15673849
That's a completely different thing.
Yasu had the proper set up that would make it difficult to discern Kanon as Shannon. What's ridiculous is you expecting someone to suddenly reach such an absurd conclusion and think they're the same person.

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>>15673960
No, it isn't different. To pretend there is both Shannon and Kanon the person Yasu is deceiving already had to meet one of them first. Example: If you meet Kanon first and then you meet Shannon you would immediately realize the trick. Unless, Yasu went through some special training for spies, I am not believing this shit.

>>15673948
Good point ignoring everything I said.
It is not the kind of thing you do consciously, it is a sub-conscious thing. When you meet someone who you have seen before but in different clothes you would notice it almost instantly. Unless you are mentally handicapped, that is.

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>>15674010
>Unless you are mentally handicapped, that is
THIS JUST IN
THE ENTIRE USHIROMIYA FAMILY CONFIRMED TO BE MENTALLY CHALLENGED

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>>15674018
More like "nobody give the servants more than a passing glance".
Maybe Gohda could've figured it out, but not the others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674010
Cosmetics can do magic at some degree and the height can also change with the type of shoe Yasu used as Kanon/Shannon. The breast is also a factor here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674025
If they are this retarded by this logic even a complete stranger could walk freely in the mansion as long as they dressed like a servant. Fucking absurd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15673942
What a joke. Name me one thing cool or sexy about him that didn't happen in the meta.

[Anonymous No.]

Are you actually taking anon's word seriously, expecting to have some intelligent discussion or am I just wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674033
It's not about being retarded, it's about not talking with the servants.
Stop being so self-centered, you goddamn egotistical retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674033
That wouldn't happen though, since Genji was in charge of the servants. He probably would have noticed

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674054
The biggest hole in your theory would be Jessica

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>>15674032
>Cosmetics can do magic at some degree
Yes, some degree.

>the height can also change with the type of shoe Yasu used as Kanon/Shannon
I don't think it was the case though. Shannon working in high heels? Nah.

>The breast is also a factor here.
OK.

So cosmetics and breast? That alone isn't enough. An amateur person couldn't do this shit, there is no way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15673784
>>15673849

>You don't have to suspect, you would notice it instantly.

Not really. I once stood on a rooftop by a public park for an hour or so to see if anybody would notice. I was clearly visible, I just didn't move or draw attention to myself. Several people walked right bellow me, but not a single person happened to glance up as they went by.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674064
You'd be surprised how different you can make yourself look with makeup and a different hairstyle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674061
She barely talks with Shannon and is mostly about Kanon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674054
>Stop being so self-centered, you goddamn egotistical retard.
And you stop playing dumb right now. You can't believe this bullshit either. Just try to introduce yourself to some people and then after half an hour go and ask them if need some, while wearing fake fake breasts and women's clothes and let's see if you can fool them. Fucking retard.

>>15674054
>>15674061 is right. Jessica shits all over that theory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674083
Really?

[Anonymous No.]

We're talking about a work of fiction here, you stupid idiots. Not everything has to be 100% realistic, just accept this fact and move on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674089
>theory

What? You can say it's ridiculous all you want but that's the truth of the story.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674075
What does that have to do with disguising yourself as someone else?

>>15674083
>She barely talks with Shannon
All right, now I know you are full of shit. Shannon and Jessica have always been best friends, if you paid attention to story you would remember.

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>>15674101
My bad. It is the truth and it is fucking stupid.

>>15674100
>it's just fiction guys :^)
If we weren't talking about a mystery then I would accept it. If it was a comedy or something, I would accept it. But when the story takes itself seriously and tries to present this truth as something that is logical I call it bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674089
>"I know better than anyone what they think!!!!!"

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674128
Ryukishi is just an average man and every work has it's flaws. This whole argument is just childish, boring and stupid. It's just an VN for christ sake, just enjoy the ride.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674075
Sometimes people don't notice what they don't look for, even if it's plain as day.

>>15674064
Yeah, but Yasu's NOT an amateur. Even before "Kanon" was created Yasu had been altering their appearance and behavior on a daily basis for years.

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>>15674129
*sigh* I don't know what is wrong with you but I'll explain one last time. YOU. DON'T. HAVE.TO.THINK....to reach the conclusion that someone you have met earlier is disguising himself as someone else. It is something that you have no control over, it is automatic.

Now I want you to actually argue instead of just using the meme arrow one liners.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674154
Again, I can't believe you're actually taking the anon seriously. Anon is obviously playing with you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674151
meant for >>15674106

[Anonymous No.]

I'd a narrator

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674143
Yes, I know he is just a mediocre writer but I can't stand when some people just eat bullshit because they are lazy to think.

>>15674151
Yasu is amateur. He self-taught himself so that means he is an amateur. He didn't receive any special training or anything like that, he didn't learn how to act or how to disguise himself like a pro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15673875

You can always start anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674184
>mediocre
Hey, take that back. I never implied he was a mediocre writer or anything, I'm just trying to tell you to not take a little flaw in the story so seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674184
>I can't stand when some people just eat bullshit because they are lazy to think.

I'm not going to discard the entirety of a story that was fun and atmospheric because one element is a bit farfetched. Nothing to do with being "too lazy to think" unless you're one of the idiots who thinks there's a *real* story hidden away that Ryukishi is obscuring.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674154
>*sigh*
Back to gaia-online you go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674200
>little flaw
I wouldn't mind it if it was some little flaw, I wouldn't care. But this is a pretty big fuck up, in my opinion.

>Hey, take that back
Though it is true. His only good works were Higurashi and Umineko ep1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674214
>unless you're one of the idiots who thinks there's a *real* story hidden away that Ryukishi is obscuring.
I feel like Battler in ep1 tea party.
Why did everyone stop thinking?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674198
I wonder if the anon who said he's try to make a naked sprite of Satoko is still around.

[Anonymous No.]

>be autistlord
>have tulpa
>tried to summon satan
>knows hebrew
Why haven't I become a witch yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674235
That girl looks familiar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674235
Because you're a wizard. Also, I bet you even have a waifu. Go away, monster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674244
Ever read Medaka Box?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674255
Welp. Turns out I don't knew her, in fact.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it possible to do netplay in Ougon Musou with someone who only has the base game if you have CROSS? I doubt it but was just wondering.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674310
no

[Anonymous No.]

I have a question regarding episode 6. How did Battler revive Beato the player? I know its technically impossible for Beatrice to die fully, but the player can die. I am kind of confused as to how he revived her to begin with

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674373
He created a new Beato.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674235
Have you tried murdering your family in closed rooms yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15672621
I never even mentioned the magic fights, so I would appreciate it if you'd stop trying to make me sound like some shonen fanboy who only cares about flashy fight scenes.

That being said, I think the fights are alright, or at least they're not as horrible as you're making them out to be. I don't understand why you're so hostile when it comes to them.

When I said that the're was more to Umineko than the mystery, I was referring to other aspects of the story such as character development, tragedy, narrative, etc.

One of the best things about Umineko is it's characters. Their personalities, backgrounds, and motivations are all very well developed over the course of the story. Even those without much screen time like Gohda and Hideyoshi still have plenty of characterization compared to the minor characters in other stories.

There's also the whole matter with regards to the story's romantic elements, although I'm gonna take a guess and say that you disliked that part as well, right? If I'm wrong then I apologize. But from what I've seen, those who dislike Episode 8 also tend to dislike Episode 6, and claim that the focus on love detracts from the story.

Without all those other elements coming into play, Umineko would be little more than a logic puzzle. Intellectually stimulating to be sure, but not something that I would have enjoyed as much as I do now.

What it all come down to is appreciating the story's emotional appeal in addition to it's intellectual appeal.

>It was the most rational way to do it, after all, Battler already solved everything by the time of ep7 so it was necessary to get a new detective.
I understand the need for another detective, but Will just felt underwhelming to me, especially since the concept of switching detectives wasn't as fresh anymore after they'd just gotten finished doing that exact same premise with Erika, who stood out much more by comparison. And it's not just Erika. A lot of entertaining characters were absent in Requiem; Battler, Beatrice, Lambdadelta, and even Ange up until the tea party. In order to make up for all those major absences, I feel like it would have been better to try to develop some of the characters that were already available rather than making a new one. For instance, they could have tried having Dlanor act as detective, maybe give her some more development before having her fight alongside Battler's in Episode 8.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674089
It is very likely Jessica could have known there was something going on between Shannon and Kanon, that doesn't disprove the theory, it just shows that Jessica never wanted to call Kanon out on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674231
I'm still here. I've just been busy with all the other nude edits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674379
I thought it was the same Beato?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674533
No, she's just acting same. The original Beato left for good at the end of Ep 5.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674560
It said inside the episode it was the same soul as beatrice just without memories

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674508
>That being said, I think the fights are alright, or at least they're not as horrible as you're making them out to be. I don't understand why you're so hostile when it comes to them.
The series heavily bitch-slapped me with ep2 onwards. I am one of those guys who liked ep1 the most so I wanted to kill R07 when I saw he shitted up the the whole thing with fantasy elements.

>When I said that the're was more to Umineko than the mystery, I was referring to other aspects of the story such as character development, tragedy, narrative, etc.
Certainly, you have a point.

>One of the best things about Umineko is it's characters. Their personalities, backgrounds, and motivations are all very well developed over the course of the story. Even those without much screen time like Gohda and Hideyoshi still have plenty of characterization compared to the minor characters in other stories.
Now, now let's not go overboard - there are lots of characters who get introduced and then they appear as only background characters later on - Ronove, Virgilia, Gaap, most fantasy characters for example. Umineko suffers from the issue that there are too many characters in it. Too many useless characters.
And about the examples you mentioned - Hideyoshi and Gohda can both be literally summed up in a few words. Hideyoshi - kind guy who likes history and talks in a funny way. Gohda - show-off master chef who can be an ass sometimes but good guy on the inside.

Yes, there are good characters in Umineko, but most of the characters don't do much. What was the purpose of Ange's bodyguard? What was the purpose of Kumasawa? Just to mention the two most bland ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674516
Being a tomboy is suffering. If only Jessica had no personality and was more submissive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674615
>most of the characters don't do much

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674508
>There's also the whole matter with regards to the story's romantic elements, although I'm gonna take a guess and say that you disliked that part as well, right? If I'm wrong then I apologize. But from what I've seen, those who dislike Episode 8 also tend to dislike Episode 6, and claim that the focus on love detracts from the story.

You guessed right, ep6 and ep8 are the weakest ones in my eyes.
My order is
Legend > Banquet > End > Requiem > Alliance> Turn > Dawn > Twilight

To tell the truth, I am not entirely anti-romance. I just don't like teen romance. I liked the parts about the adult's relationships but Shannon and Kanon....god I hated them.

>Without all those other elements coming into play, Umineko would be little more than a logic puzzle. Intellectually stimulating to be sure, but not something that I would have enjoyed as much as I do now.
Character development is one thing but some characters are down-right boring. Again, Shannon and Kanon. Why is it necessary to listen to ">tfw furniture" for hours? All right, Yasu and all but still....those two got an ungodly amount of screen time.

>What it all come down to is appreciating the story's emotional appeal in addition to it's intellectual appeal.
Sadly, a lot of times the emotional appeal fell flat for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>"waaa everyone shoulda knew that Kannon and Shannon were the same person"
>"I'm so le smart I would've figured it"
>"I would also have figured where Kinzo's money is, because I'm very intelligent"
No. They're described as brother and sister. People from the same family look very much alike.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674675
No you dumbass, "they aren't related by blood". It was always said that they come from the same orphanage, that is all. Now go back and read it again, you retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674696
>No you dumbass
And here come the name-calling. How typical from kids, once they're defeated, to fall into something that childish.
We're done here, I won by default.

[Anonymous No.]

What is the meaning of the butterfly brooch in episode 2? How is beatrice giving them the ability to love when they technically are all 3 the same person?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674508
>I understand the need for another detective, but Will just felt underwhelming to me,
Definitely agreeing on that. Though Dlanor is the same for me. Erika was the most entertaining character in Chiru.
>A lot of entertaining characters were absent in Requiem; Battler, Beatrice, Lambdadelta, and even Ange up until the tea party.
Actually, I liked that change. I have never been crazy about any of those characters except for Ange so it was a like breath of fresh air. And I ended up liking Lion quite much.

>I feel like it would have been better to try to develop some of the characters that were already available rather than making a new one. For instance, they could have tried having Dlanor act as detective, maybe give her some more development before having her fight alongside Battler's in Episode 8.
I have always thought it would have been ironic if someone other than Battler from the main characters solved the mystery of Beatrice. Like, Jessica and George investigating the case with Bernkastel's help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674736
I never understood Will's role.
If Yasu wanted a detective, why not use Battler?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674675
They're only ever described as having a relationship like brother and sister

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674675
They're described as being 'like siblings', but they never pretended to be related by blood

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674720
Beatrice is the dominant personality so the others are forbidden from experiencing love.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674741
Battler was shit.
Will is the perfect detective Beatrice wanted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674744
>>15674746
Ha, my bad. I guess I misunderstood, I always believed they were literally brothers and sisters.

My apologies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674741
It wasn't Yasu who wanted a detective. Will's involvement was because of Bern.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674741
Yasu didn't write Episode 7, if I remember correctly, Tohya did. Will's role was Tohya expressing the fact that he had failed since he discovered the truth too late.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674750
Battler was kind of entertaining but a shit detective.
Will is actually a good detective but he isn't entertaining.
Erika is where it's at.

[Anonymous No.]

God I hate Erika faggotry

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674777
You're right, Erika is a mediocre detective but highly entertaining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674764
Episode 7 wasn't written by anyone, I am quite sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674746
Those sprites are awful.
Original is so much better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674802
The honestly don't look awful. The only one who really looks awful if Eva's squinty eyes and Kyrie's torpedo tits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674792
EP7's main game was Bern's. She created a small board based on a fragment where Lion survived and had Will come in to be detective. The Tea Party was no one's game since it was the opened catbox.

[Anonymous No.]

Speaking of original sprites, is it possible to play the VN with original sprites + voices?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674836
Yes, someone's made a steam voice patch, so you can buy it and add the voices and play with the original sprites.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674851
Voices?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674802
agreed.. the steam sprites are probably the worst

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674857
Nipah~

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674836
If you're talking about Steam's release, you can turn on the original sprites.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674807
Rudolf looks like a train hit him after he had hangover. Seriously, he looks like shit.

>>15674864
Yes, certainly. The ps3 ones are much better but I still like the original the most.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674877
Yeah, his hair should be more tight, like the playboy he is. Though I don't think it looks bad.
To me, that just looks like wacky sex hair.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674877
He looks like he hasn't slept in ten years.

Also,
>mangagamer's translation
>uses japanese honorifics
>ellipsis use five dots instead of the usual three
This triggers my autism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674890
His face looks older than usual too, in my opinion. Almost everyone looks older.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674893
>ellipsis use five dots instead of the usual three
Hm? What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674903
It means that... usually... you use three points... but Umineko uses more points than needed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674893
>>uses japanese honorifics
Didn't the old translation also do that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674921
That's impressive that you notice little differences like this.
How much points does Kanon use usually? He always start off with a long ................ before saying anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674926
It did? I guess my nostalgia google conveniently removed them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674930
>That's impressive that you notice little differences like this.
Not really, that's my job.
Plus, if you write even a little bit, you learn about stuff like that.

>>15674926
It did? I guess my nostalgia google conveniently removed them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674921
That's how the Japanese writing is. Although it seems MangaGamer added a few extra here for some reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674940
>disdain growing
Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if Japanese had no idea how things works in English.
I don't see them using these points to end a sentence, so maybe they just don't know how to use them "properly".

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674940
>added a few extra here
Nevermind, this isn't the same scene you posted, it just had the same background. The English line has the same amount of periods as the Japanese one. My bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674807
>>15674877
Better?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675056
Good job on the girls but Rudolf still looks old to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675056
Just remove the pockets under Rudolf's eyes and he'll be the dashing rogue we all know.

[Anonymous No.]

Okay, honest question. Is this Lion or not? I honestly have no idea.

[Anonymous No.]

Quote from ryukishi - >They are all a bunch of villains pretending to be allies (smile). Anyway, as I've said in the beginning, "the problems you have to solve aren't just the who and the how, you should also take a look at the various situations." I've been hoping everyone will think closely on all sides to come up with the truth. Also, I like nesting a trap inside another trap. People have a tendency to be satisfied once they've discovered a single truth, but they never thought that beyond this so-called truth is the ultimate truth.

Maybe rosatrice actually is true?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675063
>>15675068

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675102
Even if that were the case, I can't see him getting the manga out there like he did with the truths they show, then just leaving it alone indefinitely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675140
Looks pretty good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675102
>Also, I like nesting a trap inside another trap. People have a tendency to be satisfied once they've discovered a single truth, but they never thought that beyond this so-called truth is the ultimate truth.

I don't know if rosatrice is true but this is why I will never stop looking for the truth of Umineko. I won't accept any tricks by ryukishi.
Yasu=Shannon=Kanon? Yeah right!!
Kyrie/Rudolf culprit theory? You wish!!
I won't fall for the "canon" shit.

Those of you who haven't given up yet, post your craziest theories. We will figure everything out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675159
angetrice

[Anonymous No.]

Everything that needed to be said has already been said. There's nothing more to discuss.
Accept it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675189
Many new people are playing umineko for the first time due to the steam release. There's still reasons to talk about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675189
Then you can leave.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675159
Moon-chan 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675194
Or it's mostly just two attention whores feeding eachother (You)s

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675181

[Blue Activates]
Ushiromiya Ange was there. She was on Rokkenjima during those two days.
The reason Rudolf and Kyrie left her home was because they were afraid of her. The young girl already showed signs of craziness so they didn't bring her along. However!! She sneaked out and followed after the family! Battler was her accomplice and helped her to stay hidden from the eyes of the other!! They killed everyone but in the end Eva found out they are culprits but she believed Battler forced Ange into killing and shot Battler! She didn't know that it was the other way around!! Ange attacked Eva and the two fought. Ange was hit hard on her head, causing her to pass out. After they returned from Rokkenjima Eva forced little Ange into electro-shock therapy and therefore her memories concerning those two fateful days were erased!! This is the truth of Rokkenjima!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675248
Splendid blue truth

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675248
Better than platform x

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675563
>Ryukishi is basically saying "lol I shit on my readers"
He seems pretty unsufferable when you actually read what he says.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675573
>that scene in ep8 when Will is fighting a goat who stopped thinking
>R07 self-inserted himself as Will in that scene and owned the ignorant reader
Seriously, why does he get butthurt so easily?
Yeah yeah we get it, everyone is stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675685
To be honest i doubt ryukishi really thinks that about his readers, but who knows.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675685
Yeah, that annoyed me too.
I mean, at first I tried to play the game, I paused it, tried to make my own theory.
But most often, my theories were better than Battler's and I ended up facepalming at his stupidity, so I eventually gave up on trying to figuring things out.
And then there's this strawman goat who just doesn't want to think.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone thought about replacing some of the music with tracks from the anime? I did this a while back and found the whole game pretty fresh after that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675732
The music is the best thing in Umineko, why replace it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675732
Isn't the anime's music mostly tracks from the VN anyway? Or am I remembering wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675739
The anime has good music too since a lot of it is based on the game music.
>why replace it
To gain new experiences. I mean yeah Umineko has top tier music but if you listened to them a thousand times already even good music like this starts to get boring after a while.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675756
They are remixes mostly but there quite a few original tracks too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbd6zVvXJaI

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675722
Fun fact: when I first played Umineko a while back I didn't even start thinking. I just accepted magic as it was and laughed along with Beato when she trolled Battler over and over again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674235
because you didn't want it bad enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675732
The anime had some okay remixes, but none of them hold a candle to the original ones. And the other tracks from the anime just have a different and more whimsical sort of atmosphere to them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675801
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c34McTvgOMA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDWDH2ARCVw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZKsusxlvqw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky-XfsOPwsU

Also
>the other tracks from the anime just have a different and more whimsical sort of atmosphere to them.
What exactly do you mean? I think all of them suits Umineko perfectly. If the anime did something, it was the music.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675794
Fun fact : I bothered trying making theories about the murders but I never bothered thinking about who wrote the episodes or what they were.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675842
I just accepted that they were different kakeras like in Higurashi and well...I was right. Kind of.

And I remember I also kind of waited for one of the pieces on the game board to remember another world like Keiichi did in Higurashi,

[Anonymous No.]

It says magic is meant to make people happy, and made by love.. where is that inside the games vs Beatrice?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675722
>>15675685
Did you guys seriously get mad at the Goats in EP8?
I thought it was a genius move.

[Anonymous No.]

STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING

USHIROMIYA KYRIE CAN NOT SAVE BATTLER!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uy6rfyZwnU

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675140
Wow, that actually looks pretty good.
Fucking perfect Ushiromiya genes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675102
>People have a tendency to be satisfied once they've discovered a single truth, but they never thought that beyond this so-called truth is the ultimate truth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15676550
is that a fucking mac window

[Anonymous No.]

>>15676581
Probably. I didn't take the pic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674251
I'm mostly over my waifu phase, although I sometimes like to claim Bernkastel in waifu claim threads just because I can.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674128
Don't be an idiot. If you want to harp on flaws and ill-conceived conceits then at least aim for the biggest one: the rain

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that red can't allways be used.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674178
Criminally underrated girl.
>tfw you will never spend your days carefree in a mansion near the ocean with a qt Christmas cake, writing and reading mysteries together

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675573
>>15675685
>thinking any of the characters are self inserts of the author
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15675835
>anime's remixes of hope and worldenddominator will never be released
why even live

[Anonymous No.]

>>15678882
It was pretty obvious that R07 self-inserted himself in that scene. Keep living in denial.

>>15678980
I have never understood why they couldn't release the full ost. This pisses me of so much.

[Anonymous No.]

Hey guys, do you know where is the 07th Expansion stand in this new Comiket?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15674184
Honestly, the only logical thing I can think of is that Yasu has an appropriate kind of baby face needed to pull it off. If she had too much of a boyish face it wouldn't work. Aside from cosmetics, expression and demeanor would probably help too. Like Kanon always looks like he has a stick up his ass while Shannon looks sweet and innocent, probably helps a bit. She also changes her hairstyle. There are guys that can make legit traps so I don't see how Yasu couldn't do it too provided she has the right body type.

Also Lion manages to look androgynous enough that many people can't tell his gender at first glance. Other than that I got nothing and even I'm a little skeptical of this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15678844
but anon, she's worst girl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679203
or she's a girl and passes off Kanon as being a feminine boy.

[Anonymous No.]

Remember to not put all the links in the OP. It's not a general.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679241
No, that is Shannon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679256
I don't get it, what happened in the last thread and stuff because of this general thing?
----

Also, again, is there anyone in the C90 who could tell me where is the 07th Expansion stand or something (I only know that they will be selling TRT later this month, and I'm a first timer, so, I'm completely lost in the event).

Could someone plese help me with that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679256
"not". It's still a general, we're just not allowed to call it that. Putting the links in the second post is still fine for whatever reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679357
>what happened in the last thread and stuff because of this general thing
Massive deletions and blocks galore. I'm not going in details because talking about moderation is off-topic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679357
Somebody tried to call it a general in the OP and put the links in the first reply still left in this thread there and it got purged. Multiple times. All posts talking about it in this thread got purged too. I have no idea whether this post will get purged too, but I wouldn't be surprised.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679366
>>15679369

I see, better not ask more than that about it then. I'll keep this in mind and not make the same mistake in the case I'll be doing opening any of the future threads.

Thanks for the clarification.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679385
It wasn't because of the general links. There are plenty of labelled generals in the catalog. The thread was fine for a hundred posts until the attention whore came back, and that's when both that thread and the one before it got purged at the same time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679447
This
The avatarfag and his friend are the reason these threads get so awful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679447
>>15679462

Is this guy the Shkanon hater people are trying to ignore since some weeks ago, or some other anon?

[Anonymous No.]

Since we reached autosage, I may as well post some pictures.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Buttkastel is okay, but Rika is a criminal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679477
Two other people who derail these threads because they can't post without turning conversation into an off topic attention fest. Go to warosu and look at the deleted posts from the previous threads. 80% of them come from them. You'll learn to recognize their posting styles so you can report them as they come in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679516
Got it, I'm gonna take a look into it right now.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Rika's the cutest and the best~

[Anonymous No.]

It really feels weird to replay Umineko.
>the family gathers
>everyone look so happy together
What the fuck happened that Rudolf and Kyrie ended up probably killing everyone? It's really sad.
At least in Higurashi, the insanity is caused by a magical space fever. In Umuneko, it's just gold lust and greed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679544
Close but no cigar

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679553
Without love, it cannot be seen.
It's sad that for both Higurashi and Umineko, you never saw the heart.

[Anonymous No.]

It's rude to talk about others when they're lurking.
>>15679516
You know, limp dick is fine when he's not being obnoxious. Just because from time to time I come to talk to him and he's stupid enough to feel tempted to chat with me doesn't mean he's not worth it. Because accept it, 50% of the post on these threads that deserve some attention, sadly, comes from him.
Also, I almost haven't posted anything on these thread and the reaction of God was very exaggerated. I'm not defending myself ^.^

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679553
>gold lust and greed

It runs deeper than that too. Kinzo was abusive and the siblings hate each other. Eva takes every chance she can get to call Rosa stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679566
Without love, it cannot be seen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679567
Rosa is stupid though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679575
I know.

[Anonymous No.]

Okay, I hereby ban all Rikaposting.
If you have to post a spankable ass, post Bernkastel's or one of the Stakes, but not Rika's.

>>15679567
And Krauss pisses on everyone, but at the airport, they all look so happy together.
Except Rosa who's constantly after Maria.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679553
Umineko tells you that what people show on the outside is not always what's happening inside and that the adult world is scary, oh and there are assholes in the world that would kill people close to them for reasons you may not understand

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679553
They are only pretending to like each other in the happy scenes.
They have always hated each other.
Plus yeah, they inherited the crazy genes from Kinzo probably.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679586
Fuck off with this retarded spanking shit. Now I have to add that to my filter because you asshats won't stop spamming it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679586
>but not Rika's.
I agree with Stanley for once.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679586
You can't tell me what to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679591
>>15679595
This is getting even sadder.

>>15679605
Keep on posting these, and I'll do something dangerous. I'm warning you, I'll really do it!

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to skip text or select chapter in Umineko? I have started re-reading ep2 but I got bored and deleted it. Now I regret it and want to continue from where I stopped.

[Anonymous No.]

Rika's the best. Just the best.

>>15679562
Erika is a vile pervert.
Rika is a pure maiden who has never killed or done anything wrong.
She also solved her own murder. What did Erika solve? Nothing!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679619
Pfftt, don't be silly, what can you do to my love for Rika?

>>15679620
Unlock the next episode and you'll be able to skip and select chapters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679619
This is getting boring you mean

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679620
Unlock it first, and if I remember right, you can pick a chapter when you begin it again.

>>15679636
Fine. I'll shave with a ceramic knife. That'll teach ya.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679605
>>15679636
My dick

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679619
>This is getting even sadder.
And you know what is even more sad?
That if the cousins didn't die they would probably grow up to be just like their parents.

>>15679636
>>15679643
Thanks for the advice.

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>>15679658
Nah, I don't think so. Battler sound a bit jealous of Georges, but still respects him a lot. Georges in return admires Battler for his ability to say "fuck it" and handle his shit alone.

The only thing that could fuck up the cousins' relation is Yasu who had three of the four cousins falling in love with her.

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>>15679658
>That if the cousins didn't die they would probably grow up to be just like their parents.
That's silly. None of the cousins hated each other like their parents. What's sad is that Battler never got to rub her head in Maria's breasts when she grew up.
I always imagine Maria keeping that promise the same way some anime character make those stupid marriage promises at a young age, with Maria turning 18 and forcing Battler to put his head in her bosom.

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>>15679668
>Battler
>jealous of George
>George
>admiring Battler
I think you mixed up the order.

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>>15679668
>>15679671
They were still young and naive, they didn't know how the adult world works, except for George maybe. But I wonder what would their relationships be like after 20 years??

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>>15679690
Probably the same.
Their parent's relationship also didn't change over the years.
Eva was a spiteful little passive aggressive cunt.
Rosa was the shy one always trying to not get between arguments while her siblings would purposefully make her take sides for the sake of winning an argument.
Krauss acted like the smart and responsible one.
Rudolf didn't give a shit but had somewhat of a rivalry with Krauss as brothers tend to have.

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>>15679678
I didn't. When Battler presents Georges to the audience in the first episode, he seems really amazed by Georges' success, and explain that in the meanwhile, he's still in high-school and doesn't have a plan for his life.
And later, Georges explains he doesn't have anything to say, and that he envies battler who was able to turn his back to Rudolf.

The cousins are way better than the adults because they never had Kinzo to fuck them up and were raised under the influence of foreigners to the family.
Kyrie, Hideyoshi, Natsuhi were all very helpful to help raise the childrens properly.
Of course, Maria is the exception, since she doesn't have a father and Rosa is an unresponsable wreck.

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>>15679723
Hm, yeah maybe you are right. Still, there are always some negative traits you inherit from your parents.

>Rudolf didn't give a shit but had somewhat of a rivalry with Krauss as brothers tend to have.
Actually, Rudolf was the worst bully out of the three older siblings. If I remember right it was mentioned that when Eva or Krauss wasn't around, he was twice as aggressive as Krauss and twice as cruel as Eva. Rudolf made Rosa's life the most miserable probably.

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>>15679723
Most of the fight were between Eva and Krauss, though. Rudolf was the little brother that often sided with Eva (the little siblings versus the big brother), and Rosa is useless.

>>15679758
I don't remember that. I probably "forgot", since I really liked Rudolf in the game.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is this so great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vnIBKEmMQ8

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679766
It was mentioned in ep 2 tea party if I remember right, when Rosa remembers her past at the dinner table Beato prepared for her.

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>>15679787
Ha.
I kinda skipped over the Tea Party and ????? because I wasnt sure if they happened or not.

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>>15679729
>he seems really amazed by Georges' success, and explain that in the meanwhile, he's still in high-school and doesn't have a plan for his life.
That's lip service and first encounter praise. Id you've ever had family conferences, you'd know that when families meet and talk about their accomplishments, to a degree or another, they make themselves look good without mentioning any of the realities.
At face value, George is doing well for himself working at his father's company and he has good grades. As a cousin, of course you'd congratulate him, that's completely natural. But only because you don't know the truth.

In one of my favorite songs, there's a small passage that I always love.

>No one will ever love you
>For everything you are

>And so you build up layers of deception
>And you leave out things to alter the perceptions
>Of the ones you love
>Who would never love you back
>If they knew all about you
>Every solitary fact

>And the sadness of your life
>Is built upon this lie
>Of really knowing anyone
>Or having them know you

>It's the sadness of the world

If Battler knew the true George, even pass his accomplishments, he wouldn't congratulate him. He only congratulates him on the layers of deception and what is perceived. When you have family conferences, you never show your true self, you never expose your weaknesses, only your strong suit in a false attempt at platitude. You can see it extremely strongly at the beginning of ep 1. Everyone's all 'heeyyy, wow Battler you've grown, arghhh Eva you so silly, awww Maria you're so cute'' with everyone having a good time. That fake facade of family reunions.

Also
>When Battler presents Georges to the audience in the first episode, he seems really amazed by Georges' success, and explain that in the meanwhile, he's still in high-school and doesn't have a plan for his life.
That's amazement, not jealousy.

>Georges explains he doesn't have anything to say, and that he envies battler who was able to turn his back to Rudolf.
That's exactly my point, envy is a form of jealousy.

Battler admires George for having a path in life.
George is jealous of Battler's relaxed attitude.
You've mixed both of them up.
>>15679758
>yeah maybe you are right.
I'm usually always right.

>Still, there are always some negative traits you inherit from your parents.
I highly disagree. The sin of the father and all that shit. Just as a father's talent does not rub off in the son, sins and negative traits do not. Of course, some traits obviously do get passed down, but not to the extent that it guarantees success or negative traits.

>Actually, Rudolf was the worst bully out of the three older siblings.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Hatred gets passed along, so when Krauss makes fun of his little brother, Rudolf bullies his siblings.

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>>15679729
George secretly looked down on Battler though, because of his unrefined attitude and personality, same as Jessica. He was also a beta that blamed women for not being attracted to a "nice guy" like him and got jealous Shannon fell for Battler and he attracted all the girls to him, so George fell into the women only fall for assholes meme.

George could literally try to pursue any other woman outside of Rokkenjima but decided to target Shannon because she's weak-natured and innocent, an easy target. I'm certain George would be pissed if he found out about Shannon's body because she talked with him about starting a family and lied about it.

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>>15679798
Lesson: never skip anything in Umineko.

But it really is fun to analyze the four siblings and come up with results as to who is the most likely to murder.

>Krauss
He is only talk and no action. He pretends to be a tyrant but probably it was only in his childhood. After that, I have a feeling he learned his place in the world.
As an adult he only pretends to be a dick because that is the image he built up for himself in the family.
All in all, less likely to be a murderer.

>Eva
Very high chance to kill. Very greedy but her main flaw is her hatred against her brother and her inferiority complex which makes her a sadist.

>Rudolf
Also very high chance of becoming a murderer but probably less than Eva. Mainly because he doesn't like to dirty his hands but would act as accomplice to Kyrie no doubt, letting her take care of most of the work.

>Rosa
Second highest possibility to become a killer, after Eva. Lots of repressed frustration and anger towards her family and everyone in general. Probably would even kill Maria.

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>>15679889
How ironic that the women have more chances of becoming killers, given that, according to official statistics, when women kill, it's usually in an indirect way, with poison or something similar.

The real question is why. If they really found the gold, they obviously cooperated, so why cooperate for the hardest part and then shoot each others? That doesn't and will never make sense.

But then again,
>emotions
>desires

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>>15679903
Desires?

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>>15679903
Makes sense, the more people tackling the epitaph the better. If you shoot everyone and try to solve it on your own, chances are you'll be stuck and no one will be left alive to help you solve it.

Plus seeing a huge pile of gold like that would be a trigger to murder out of greed.

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>>15679842
>>15679889

That's some quality post right there, don't mind if I printscreen it.

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>>15679924
I dunno. I never saw a pile of gold.

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>>15679936
Meant for them, anyways. It's like in Bernkastel's game where Krauss and Natsuhi try to renege on their deal with the siblings with Krauss being the only one who had connections to convert unmarked gold into cash. Eva would be most likely to be flared up about this seeing as she has a deep hatred for Krauss and you know the rest.

Big money troubles make people desperate and greedy.

[Anonymous No.]

what is the inescapable fate bernkastel is talking about?

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>>15679758
>Rudolf made Rosa's life the most miserable probably.

Plus the manga makes it look like he was the one that tore up her stuffed animal.

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>>15679966
It's her inescapable fate of getting spanked by me.
No matter how much she struggles, it is unavoidable.

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>>15679950
That's too convenient and cliche, especially for detective genre
>look man, the why isn't important, just focus on the who and how while making a good puzzle alright
>but what will be the why?
>ahhh, just put a rich family together that needs money, everyone'll be the suspect so it'll come down to the how, right?
You're thinking like Erika or a third rate mystery writer.

>>15679966
The power of Beatrice is to always make A->B without fail. A vase might not break but if it was already broken, B is always fixed in stone.
So even if A was different, B will always be the end fate.

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>>15679974
Kind of like how these threads are fated to be plagued by your shitposting?

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>>15679974
Can I report you? I'm tired of you.

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>>15679973
Rosa didn't deserve that shit.

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>>15679990
Maria didn't either.

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>>15679978
Got any ideas on the why then?

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>>15679987
I agree with this guy. It was funny a few times but now it's getting fucking annoying. You're trying to become a force meme and it's just tiresome.

>>15679992
Maria was a little cunt who wouldn't learn.
Rosa just wanted to be happy.

>>15679995
Obviously Natsuhi was the murderer, she was forced to marry in the family. Plus, did you notice how in ep 5, she was never around when the murders happens. Suspicious!
Natsuhi wanted revenge for wasting her life with such a horrible family.

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>>15679992
Felt sorry for Maria, obvious she had autism or something and Rosa refused to get treatment for her because of stigma on mental health.

Also because she was the youngest, Rosa got bullied hard by the siblings that needed a punching bag. And she took it out on poor Maria so she could have some release from her childhood and the frustration of being a single mom because her man left her.

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>>15679978
Like that sister in Will's introduction who just arbitrarily picks a culprit and decides to torture her.
Through torturing Bernkastel sounds like a great idea.

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>>15679889
We could also take a look at the other adults but we don't have as much info on them as on the Ushiromiya siblings.

>Hideyoshi
Generally a nice guy but would kill for his family. I don't think he would kill alone, only as accomplice to Eva. I think I could even say it in red that Hideyoshi only kills in kakeras where Eva is the killer.

>Kyrie
Very high chance. She has yakuza/mafia ties so it is probably no surprise that she would be the most likely to dirty her hands with blood. Plus, she is kind of an outsider since she has no Ushiromiya blood in her veins which means she could kill them without regret easily.

>Natsuhi
She has an inferiority complex just like Eva but in contrast to Eva Natsuhi has a very strict moral code and she has a very big desire to fit into the family and make them proud of her so I would say very low chance of becoming a murderer.

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>>15680015
>Rosa got bullied hard by the siblings that needed a punching bag
True.
Krauss was an asshole toward Eva, who bullied Rudolf, who bullied Rosa, who bullied Maria.
It's pretty amazing Maria turned out to be okay as a witch when Eva became worse than Beatrice.

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>>15680018
>but would kill for his family.
Based on what do you deduce this?

>Kyrie
>Very high chance. She has yakuza/mafia ties so it is probably no surprise that she would be the most likely to dirty her hands with blood.
Hahaha. This always gets me

>alright let's line up the potential culprits
>oh, it's obviously this person, he's been convicted of a crime, and you can't trust murders! Evidence? Motive? What's that?
>obviously the bad family a person was raised in will lead them to become a criminal, it has nothing to do with a person's personality!
People who try to explain Kyrie being a murderer simply because her family is yakuza don't know shit about living in a crime family.
You haven't described a motive, only the ease of why she would do horrible actions.

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>>15679978
>That's too convenient and cliche
In most cases the simplest solution is the truth. Don't overthink it. After all, people can kill for money, haven't you learned from Rudolf?

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>>15680018
>would kill for his family
Yeah, no. I can't see Hidebroshi able to harm a fly. Even if Eva was to murder everyone, he would try to stop her instead of helping her.
And about Kyrie... Well, having ties with the yakuzas doesn't make you a murderer automatically. Even her sister only tried to kill Ange because she was frustrated and out of options, Kyrie would need to be cornered and able to make it out unscathed for try anything.

So in the end, it's literally just your opinion.

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>>15680068
Murder is never clean cut and simple. It's only ever simple in most low brow detective novels because it needs a clean resolution.

>>15680073
It's a shitty opinion based on nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680082
To be fair, it's a shitty opinion based on Featherine's fanfictions.

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>>15680050
>Based on what do you deduce this?
Based on ep3.

>People who try to explain Kyrie being a murderer simply because her family is yakuza don't know shit about living in a crime family.
I hope you aren't talking about the good old "they would be more cautious than to kill" argument. If that's the case you forgot about the bomb, it erases every kind of evidence and if there isn't any evidence most people would commit a crime. There is even a higher chance if said person comes from a family of criminals.

>You haven't described a motive, only the ease of why she would do horrible actions.
If I have only looked at the probability and tried to calculate some kind of an order, as in who is more or less likely to murder. That is all.

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>>15680073
>hideyoshi
Again, episode 3.
>kyrie
I get it that it may sound too simple but in real life it is usually always the person who had trouble with the law before.

>>15680082
>detective novels
But I am not talking about any game, I am talking about the real Rokkenjima case. Do you really think the murderer would follow the twilights and would try to make it look like it was a witch?

>It's a shitty opinion based on nothing.
Nice butthurt my friend.

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>>15680104
>it erases every kind of evidence and if there isn't any evidence most people would commit a crime.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

>There is even a higher chance if said person comes from a family of criminals.
That's a reasoning based on generalization and not the heart. It's simply wrong and boring.

>>15680104
Probability is guesswork.
Knox 6th
>It is forbidden for accident or intuition to be employed as a detective technique.
All of your motives are based on intuition and generalization. You are unfit to be a detective as you lack foresight into the heart.

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>>15680129
>>15680104
>Again, episode 3.
Ep 3 shows no evidence of Hideyoshi doing anything.

>Do you really think the murderer would follow the twilights and would try to make it look like it was a witch?
Begging the question. Such a bore.

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>>15680132
Knox and Van Dine needlessly limit one's options, they prevent you from reaching the truth.

>It's simply wrong and boring.
Nice argument but the guess what? The truth is usually boring.

>Probability is guesswork.
Wrong. Probability is good way to sort things out. What is wrong with using all the information we have to form a probability list?

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>>15680149
>erika poster
Opinion discarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680149
Hideyoshi killed Rudolf and Kyrie in ep3. It is obvious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680149
Episode 3's manga shows that he killed Rudolf and Kyrie

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>>15680050
Kyrie was always an interesting character for me. I always wondered why she was so attached to Rudolf enough that she would literally kill for him. Money would be a reason but it didn't seem like an enough reason even though she would kill for it. She was unhealthily obsessed with him to the point where she didn't care if he cheated or not. She was ready to murder Asumu just to get Rudolf back. Maybe she saw in Rudolf the same ruthlessness she had and was attracted to that. But the moment she found out Eva killed Rudolf, Kyrie easily discarded Rudolf because he was no longer the man she admired for his ruthlessness.

Kyrie has no familial ties other than in name to the Ushiromiya family and probably could care less about them. She puts up a front to Battler just because he's Rudolf's son. She admits Ange is just a shackle to hold Rudolf down, just like how she got pregnant with Battler to steal him from Asumu but Rudolf switched the baby. She was cold and ruthless when murdering the cousins, so no soft spot for children.

Perhaps coming from a crime family would make her lack empathy and become more ruthless. Kyrie became Rudolf's business partner for a reason, she helped him turn profits and in the business world you need to be ruthless. Backstabbing and corruption happen all the time. It's probably the same way with the Ushiromiya family for Kyrie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680149
Hideyoshi helped cover for Eva by saying that she had been in their room the whole time. And according to the manga he also killed Rudolf and Kyrie

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680174
>Knox and Van Dine needlessly limit one's options
Hahaha. Sure thing goat.

>The truth is usually boring.
The truth is never boring.

>Probability is good way to sort things out. What is wrong with using all the information we have to form a probability list?
Did you not read what I wrote? Probability is guesswork. ''working things out'' is not evidence.

I'm truly surounded by morons who don't even know what probability means and how it's never a tool used by a detective for good reason
>alright well, there's a high probability you're the killer, so we'll just arrest you
That's not how the judicial system works.

>>15680184
>implying implications

>>15680193
Obviousness is not evidence.
Knox 6th
>It is forbidden for accident or intuition to be employed as a detective technique.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680223
Oh, it was you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680193
>>15680203
Even so in this scenario it was self-defence, not murder; he can be an accessory to one, but I don't think he would go at it by himself

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>>15680223
>The truth is never boring.
I see you are still a child.

>Did you not read what I wrote? Probability is guesswork. ''working things out'' is not evidence.
It isn't guess work. It is using information we have to form a list.

>alright well, there's a high probability you're the killer, so we'll just arrest you
>That's not how the judicial system works.
Actually it does work like that you moron.

>Hahaha. Sure thing goat.
What if I told you that if you want to reach the truth of Umineko you need to discard meaningless terms like mystery and fantasy?

[Anonymous No.]

It always at the end of the thread. Always. It's like a family tradition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680184
>posting buttkasstel
At least he was right about Hideyoshi.

>>15680193
>>15680203
>manga
Sorry, but :
- I only believe what I see in the VN,
- there's no way to prove that what happens in Rokkenjima during these episodes is realistic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680260
Like the annual family conference~

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680265
>I only believe what I see in the VN

So you're retarded, alright then, posts disregarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680257
The fact remains he was an accomplice and that is what I have been saying from the beginning. He can only murder as accomplice to Eva.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680271
Yep. Can we die now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680260
Stop romanticizing their bullshit and report it.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm impressed on just how many fans Brodeyoshi has nowadays.

He is like one of the less developed characters in the story (since he is presented and characterized to us already developed).

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680259
>What if I told you that if you want to reach the truth of Umineko you need to discard meaningless terms like mystery and fantasy?
Well, I for one would say that you'd be completely ignoring the game, where Battler REACHES THE TRUTH USING KNOX.

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>>15680275
Self-defense =/= murder. If Hideyoshi saw Eva trying to murder, he would not stand for it and would try to stop her. But Eva would be trying to take on both Rudolf and Kyrie, who are both skilled marksmen. She can't do it on her own so Hideyoshi would be forced to defend her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680265
>I only believe what I see in the VN,
So do I. And it was fucking obvious the culprit of ep 3 was Eva and Hideyoshi for the most part.

> there's no way to prove that what happens in Rokkenjima during these episodes is realistic.
It proves what each individual is capable of. A piece can't act totally out of character things. So this means Hideyoshi has it in him to kill for Eva.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680288
In actuality, many people in here already said they would kill to see some spinoff content about his past (and all that drama as for when he lost his whole family at war).

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680193
how is it obvious? it only shows him lying to create an alibi.. i don't really see how its obvious without the manga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680297
>A piece can't act totally out of character things
I don't remember that being said. It means terrible things about Eva.

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>>15680205
>Maybe she saw in Rudolf the same ruthlessness she had and was attracted to that.
You're thinking rationally and not with emotion.
>oh maybe she just loved his ruthlessness
Really? Waiting years for him just because she loved how direct he was? Not the obvious that he's a playboy and she fell in love because she's a worthless woman?

>Perhaps coming from a crime family would make her lack empathy and become more ruthless.
Perhaps perhaps perhaps. Si si si. Et avec des si on mettrai paris en bouteille.
Coming from a crime family does not make one automatically apathetic.

You ignore the obvious fact that is right in front of you.

Knox 6th
>It is forbidden for accident or intuition to be employed as a detective technique.
Coming from a crime of family is based on intuition, not evidence.

>>15680259
>I see you are still a child.
Ad hominem. Not an argument.

>It isn't guess work. It is using information we have to form a list.
Probability defintiion: the extent to which something is probable; the likelihood of something happening or being the case.
synonym: likelihood, prospect, expectation, *chance*, chances, odds

Probability is not a direct proof of cause and effect but a generalization and chance.
Chance is not evidence. The chances of someone being born from a family from a family of crime is not evidence that they will commit a crime.

Knox 6th
>It is forbidden for accident or intuition to be employed as a detective technique.

>Actually it does work like that you moron.
No it doesn't you moron. Holy shit. You present EVIDENCE.
not
>oh come on guys, this gangbanger was born in a poor neighborhood, so OF COURSE he's the killer!
The fingerprints we found on the knife, X happened and blood was found on his shirt, he was seen at the scene of the crime, etc.

Probability has nothing to do with it. Chance has nothing to do with it. The place of upbringing has nothing to do with motive.

You don't know anything.

>What if I told you that if you want to reach the truth of Umineko you need to discard meaningless terms like mystery and fantasy?
What if I told you that's exactly what the goats did in ep 8 and you're a goat who knows nothing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680303
Yeah, that and about Nanjo and Genji as well (I personally am very interested in Genji's backstory with Kinzo).

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680308
EP6. And if you're talking about Evatrice, I'm not sure if that counts.

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>>15680290
There are different ways to reach the truth. Knox isn't necessary, Same for Van Dine. Since it is not even a mystery. At least not a traditional one.

>>15680295
Murder is murder. We are saying the same thing.

>>15680304
Rudolf and Kyrie were both armed. Hideyoshi was with them. They lured Hideyoshi out to interrogate him. It was obvious he at least killed one of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680326
It doesn't. The context of that is very clear.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680326
Evatrice is a piece based on Eva. She shouldn't be able to act that differently.

But I'm pretty sure it's bullshit, because in episode whatever, all the ushiromiya decide to play a prank on Erika.
Hard to believe these people who supposely hate each other would cooperate to prank an outsider.

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>>15680336
>It was obvious he at least killed one of them.
Knox 6th
>It is forbidden for accident or intuition to be employed as a detective technique.

Something being self evident or obvious is not proof.
You have no proof that Hideyoshi killed just just as much as you have no proof that Beatrice came along and killed everyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680336
>There are different ways to reach the truth.
>What if I told you that if you want to reach the truth of Umineko you
need to
>discard meaningless terms like mystery and fantasy?
In response to an advocation of using Knox.

[Anonymous No.]

I feel like everybody is forgetting about the forgery plot-point...

>>15680324
Genji's backstory with Kinzo was more or less presented in the manga, but not with many details.

The real OTP in the whole Seacats nonetheless

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680344
Sorry, was EP5, after the window jumping. It's stated pretty clearly. And Evatrice is a separate piece based on her repressed anger and whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680367
That's retarded. The witch side can bring any piece, say "it's an original character that just happen to look like your aunt" and have it murder everyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680318
Calm down. Patience patience
>temporarily blocked
Sigh. Oh well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680382
It's been awhile since I've actually talked to a goat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680377
Well, Erika was just there because it was an actual possibility in the sea of fragments.

I don't think people could go really out of character, but I must remind you that, any of those characters so far, when pushed to the edge, could go psycho on someone (Eva killed Rudolf and Kyrie during the massacre for example).

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680397
Except it's just an episode written by someone. It isn't the truth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680318
>Coming from a crime of family is based on intuition, not evidence.

No it is evidence.

>No it doesn't you moron. Holy shit. You present EVIDENCE.
That comes after you find a suspect. Do you what the word suspect means? holy fuck but I guess that is guesswork too so detectives mustn't arrest suspects right? Fuck off.

>The chances of someone being born from a family from a family of crime is not evidence that they will commit a crime.
Maybe not solid evidence but evidence isn't everything. You need guess work too you idiot.

>What if I told you that's exactly what the goats did in ep 8 and you're a goat who knows nothing?
It is obvious you have been completely fooled by R07.

>>15680351
>>15680356
Knox is irrelevant, fuck off.
It isn't even a mystery for Christ's sake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680408
Except Episode 7's Tea Party was written by someone based in Eva's diary, which contains the truth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680408
>Except it's just an episode written by someone. It isn't the truth.
If that were true the gameboards would be completely pointless.

[Anonymous No.]

>Knox is irrelevant, fuck off.
Well, considering that >>15680410 is ignoring the game itself, I vote we stop replying to him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680408
Dude...
[red]Ushiromiya Eva's diary, the Book of the Single Truth, has written within it the truth of Rokkenjima during October 4th and 5th, 1986.[red]

Also, this:
>>15680416

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>>15680408
The story also specifically mentions that the pieces of the gameboard cannot act in any way they wouldn't have acted in real life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680408
By following this logic it is totally pointless to talk about Umineko because 90% of it is fiction.

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>>15680416
But they are...?

I mean, the first two episodes were stories written by Yasu before the murder occured, and the rest is just Thoya's fanfictions.

Even the ending basically tells you there's no truth and that you must move on.

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>>15680434
99,9% of it is fictional.

Our theories (the goats) are the only thing from our reality layer in there.

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>>15680428
But is is since we don't want the truth of a game, we are looking for the truth of what really happened on Rokkenjima.

The most logical thing is that it was an all-out shooting and everyone killed everyone over the gold. Then the bomb went off and Eva and Battler escaped.

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>>15680436
The ending tells this to the people in Rokkenjima Prime.

We instead (the readers from the real world) got all the info necessary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680457
So in other words it isn't a mystery at all. At least, not an orthodox mystery. There weren't "detectives" or any of that shit. It was a big massacre.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680461
But...
I think I completely misunderstood the entire ending, because I thought it was directed to Ange AND the goats.
Something like : "these characters you like are still alive in the box, just don't open it or they'll die".
Wasn't what the goat invasion was about? To show what happens when you figure out the truth?

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>>15680436
Oh, my mistake, I had assumed you weren't one of those idiots who think the meta doesn't real.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680478
Like, the goats we see in there are being represented by people from Rokkenjima Prime (many scenes in EP 8 showed us that). Which is why I more or less disagree with this (besides some of our theories being the same of them):
>>15680449

You didn't misundertood the ending, man, you just applied it to our reality as well.

[Anonymous No.]

The fact that R07 tries to push Knox and Van Dine so much makes it obvious the story isn't a usual mystery. Turn the chessboard over - R07 only shilled those two because he wanted us to think that they matter. Knox and Van Dine doesn't matter at all. It is a trap.

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>>15680501
>you just applied it to our reality as well
Was I really supposed to do anything else?
The entire game has Battler saying that magic doesn't exist, that witches aren't real, and then it changes to "magic exists if you believe in it", and in the end, it's about Rokkenjima trying to survive Erika's attempt to pry it open with the logical explanation that "if you know the truth, there is no mystery".

So naturally, I assume that there's no real explanation for what happened, since the fucking game constantly repeats it and strawman you as a goat trying to "eat" the mystery.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680505
And so is the red truth! Just a trap, you see, because R07 likes to giggle about his fans reaching a fake truth while he gets to laugh about how only he knows the real truth, and how he will never ever give the slightest hint that they're wrong, even going so far to outright say that it's the right answer! How incredibly clever of him!

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>>15680505
He follows Knox very perfectly, desu. He just deconstruct every single element of it in the process.

Van Dine however is a more complicated matter (since the deconstruction went through the author's persona itself, because he started considering the heart, unlike in the past).

>>15680524

Multiple perspective and huge meta worldbuilding cause this confusion. Takes you a re-read to comprehend better what are the themes and what many scenes actually mean.

While we got to ourselves the truth being exposed, the people in Rokkenjima Prime did not. That's just that. The whole "close the catbox" was just a plot-device for Ange's character development at EP 8 (and the ultimate demise of Ikkuko as a respectable writer in that universe).

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>>15680410
>No it is evidence.
How is it evidence? What does knowing if a person was born poor, born from a rich family, born from a crime family constitute as evidence?
Saying it's evidence does not make it so. It's intuition and nothing more. You would never use this fucking shit in a court of law.

>That comes after you find a suspect.
Holy shit. Evidences leads you to a suspect. You don't find a suspect and THEN pin evidence on him.
You suspect someone based on motive, you collect evidence and if the evidence matches and can pinpoint a culprit, only then do you make an arrest. Then you go to a trial to present evidence to see if that evidence has validity.
If the only evidence you have is where the person was born, you'd get fucking laughed at in a judicial court. This is why people don't arrest suspects until they have evidence. You can make guesswork to suspect someone but you cannot arrest someone based on guesswork. If there is no evidence, you absolutely cannot arrest someone by law. At best, you can bring someone in for questioning and through some shit intense interrogation, make them confess to the crime, which only that itself is considered as evidence.
You don't simply suspect someone of a crime, bring them to court and accuse them of a crime using suspicions as evidence.

>I guess that is guesswork too so detectives mustn't arrest suspects right?
Detectives use guesswork to narrow suspects and suspect someone of committing the crime but THEY CANNOT ARREST SOMEONE WITHOUT EVIDENCE.
A person recently changing someone's will to leave everything behind to someone found dead is not evidence. It's suspect, but not evidence.
A person found tampering someone's life insurance is suspect, but not evidence. It's possibly motive NOT EVIDENCE.

>Maybe not solid evidence but evidence isn't everything.
Are you fucking serious? Evidence isn't everything? Evidence is fucking everything. What else is there other than evidence? Mysticism? Magic? Intuition? Guesswork? Probability?

Did you ever think that maybe guesswork, probability and suspecting someone is not evidence at all you fucking idiot?
>hey we found you near the scene of the crime
>huh?
>obviously, if you weren't the murderer you wouldn't be at the scene of the crime
>but that's not evidence
>maybe it's not solid evidence but evidence isn't everything
Holy fucking christ. This is why idiots are never allowed to become detectives.

>Knox is irrelevant, fuck off.
You fuck off goat. The Knox is based on finding the truth, not just as a tool for mystery novels.

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>>15680558
>He just deconstruct every single element of it in the process.

Quoting some other anon from way before:
"He fully analyses, deconstructs and then proceeds to reconstruct as a new form of mystery the whole genre. Ryukishi is a pretty clever little author".

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>>15680558
>Ikkuko
Who?

[Anonymous No.]

Oups, I did it again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680596
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CduA0TULnow

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>>15680582
>Ikuko*

Sorry for the typo.

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>>15680602
heh

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>>15680610
You've broken my heart.

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>>15680524
I interpreted it a different way, I don't think that change in Battler is really as drastic, it's just that Battler had a different view on magic once he started discovering the truth. He changed his opinions, as many of us do throughout our lives. He decided that it was better to hide the truth under the layer of magic than to have Yasu's heart exposed for the world to scrutinize.

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>>15680603
Ha, one of the witch hunters.

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>>15680625
Same here. And like the other anon just said, it actually got a lot more clear after re-reading the whole thing.

[Anonymous No.]

Your honor, I'd like to submit the motion that Kyrie was born from a yakuza family as evidence.

Proceed.

I'd like to make it known to the jury that it's obvious Kyrie committed the crime; she was born from a yakuza family! This guilt by association shows clear guilt and intent. There can be no mistake from this view. Thank you

Well it's clear now that Kyrie killed the family. I mean, being born from a Yakuza family? That's clear intent. We find her guilty!

Because it doesn't matter if it's not solid evidence, evidence isn't everything.

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>it doesn't matter if it's not solid evidence, evidence isn't everything.
I don't think I'll ever get over this line. It's one of the most stupid and ignorant things I've ever heard in my life.

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>>15680706
>>15680668
You fags are still on this?

We all know it was Magical Gohda Chef.

Just chill already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15680744
>magical Gohda
>not magical mackerel

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>>15680790
>magical mackerel
She was an accomplice!

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>>15680744
The goat stupidity honestly caught me off guard.

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>>15680805
>not taking a good old fanbase-favorite joke well

the actual fuck, anon?

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>>15680822
I'm not talking about Magical Chef Godha.
It's always been forever established that Godha is the main culprit.

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>>15680835
He's the only one we don't know anything about.

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>>15680851
Who knows more about poison?
Who knows more about pointy knives?
Who slept with all the women and blackmailed them into submission?
Who holds the family fortune at ransom?

Godha. He's a wiz at everything.

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>>15680868
Come to think of it, Gohda never sleeps with any woman.

What if he's Yasu?

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>>15680744
I like to imagine that Godha killed everyone to cook a large stew to serve to Beelzebub

>>15680902
>Gohda never sleeps with any woman.
>Godha
>not surrounded by women all the time
You know what they say about people who have large feet, right?

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>>15680868
"A servant can't be a culprit, but what about a chef, you all?" *shows awesome knife (s)kills*

"Now I have no more knives to use. I guess I could show you how do I tenderize meat "

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>>15680907
>You know what they say about people who have large feet, right?
They're clowns?

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>>15680908
>bitch I'll punch you to death

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>>15680914
>I'll make you eat your teeth

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>>15680908
Someone please cover this Gohda sprite in blood.

This is too good.

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>>15680910
They have big hands.

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>>15680924

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>>15680958
10/10

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>>15680969
I'd clap Bernkastel.

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>>15680668
It isn't used in court but the fact remains that the police always interrogates those first who have some kind of relation to crime from the suspects and focuses on them the most. If you really don't suspect a guy who have had trouble with the law before in a crime he can be linked to, then there is something wrong with your head, mate.

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>>15680571
>The Knox is based on finding the truth, not just as a tool for mystery novels.
That is some nice autism you got there.

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>>15680571
>Are you fucking serious? Evidence isn't everything? Evidence is fucking everything. What else is there other than evidence? Mysticism? Magic? Intuition? Guesswork? Probability?
Evidence doesn't mean shit if you are too stupid to connect the dots. So yeah, guesswork and intuition is necessary.

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>>15681215
>the police always interrogates those first who have some kind of relation to crime from the suspects and focuses on them the most.
That's called covering the bases but when your entire rainbow of evidence is simply
>well this person grew up in X
it stops being evidence.

I don't think you understand the difference between suspecting a person and convicting a person based on a suspicion.

A person related to gang activity being around the crime scene is suspicious and can be brought for an interrogation. Using it as your only evidence is fucking wrong.

And the fact that you admit that it cannot be used is court proves that you're just fucking wrong.

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>>15674615
>>15674670
>>15674736
>I am one of those guys who liked ep1 the most so I wanted to kill R07 when I saw he shitted up the the whole thing with fantasy elements.

That's fine. It's true that the story changed after episode 1, and some people weren’t happy with the new direction it took. And Legend WAS probably the best episode in terms of being a suspenseful mystery, since you could argue that adding the meta elements to the plot might detract from an actual sense of danger on the gameboard. But in the end it was only a small part of what Umineko became, as the other episodes expanded on the story’s other aspects. Plus, disavowing 7/8 of the series just seems kind of sad to me.

>there are lots of characters who get introduced and then they appear as only background characters later on - Ronove, Virgilia, Gaap, most fantasy characters for example.

Well, I’ll agree at least that the furniture characters that get introduced in sets generally ended up getting little characterization as individuals due to always being tied to their respective groups, with the exception of characters like Dlanor who actually got some screentime on their own.

>Hideyoshi and Gohda can both be literally summed up in a few words. Hideyoshi - kind guy who likes history and talks in a funny way. Gohda - show-off master chef who can be an ass sometimes but good guy on the inside.

That’s still more characterization than a lot of side characters in modern anime, who often get no development and just fulfill a cliche, such as being “a perverted best friend”, or “a tsundere childhood friend.”

>What was the purpose of Ange's bodyguard? What was the purpose of Kumasawa? Just to mention the two most bland ones.

From what I can tell, Amakusa’s purpose was to act as a voice of warning to Ange, telling her to reconsider the path she’s taking, like during the scene where he talks to her about about child soldiers. And when Ange still refuses to change he ends up being forced to kill her, showing how Ange’s behavior had turned even those closest to her against her.

I’ll admit I was a bit disappointed with Kumasawa, because she had the potential to be a pretty interesting character. Like during Virgilia’s introduction when she suddenly shows a more serious side. And I really wish that they’d expanded more on her role as a surrogate mother to Shannon/Yasu.

>To tell the truth, I am not entirely anti-romance. I just don't like teen romance. I liked the parts about the adult's relationships but Shannon and Kanon....god I hated them.

Personally, the teen romance didn’t really turn me off. But I can see how it would be annoying for someone who didn’t like it, since it just becomes more and more prominent as the story goes on. I particularly liked the development they gave Kanon and George in Dawn. The way Kanon finally gets over his whole “furniture” complex and starts actively trying to improve himself as a person was really refreshing after all his emo bullshit up until that point. And while everyone loves to shit on George, his past as a “nice guy” added a lot of depth to his character. It’s a realistic portrayal of a mindset many people have as they go through puberty, and I think it made him a more relatable character. It also showed how he was aware of his faults but had already come to terms with the kind of person he was.

>Character development is one thing but some characters are down-right boring. Again, Shannon and Kanon. Why is it necessary to listen to ">tfw furniture" for hours? All right, Yasu and all but still....those two got an ungodly amount of screen time.

Can’t really argue with you there. While Shannon and Kanon are major characters and do get a good amount of development, it was definitely spread thin over a huge amount of screentime that could have been cut back on.

>Sadly, a lot of times the emotional appeal fell flat for me.

I’m sorry to hear that.

> And I ended up liking Lion quite much.

I also liked Lion. He was probably one of my favorite things about Requiem’s main story. It was interesting to see how the family dynamic changed with the addition of a new member. Plus, he does end up getting a good amount of development, and his interactions with Will were entertaining.

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>>15681222
>>15681249
>replying to the shitposter.

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>>15681250
>That's called covering the bases but when your entire rainbow of evidence is simply
Like in Umineko?

>I don't think you understand the difference between suspecting a person and convicting a person based on a suspicion.
Nobody said anything about convicting a person. We are talking about the investigation phase. Leave the courtroom out of it already.

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>>15681249
Guesswork is not the same as connecting the dots based on evidence you fucking idiot.
At best, you can say that you can use evidence to create a theory on what happen but when you only have guesswork and no evidence, you can't connect any dots at all.

You cannot guess what happened, you need evidence. Proof to create theory on reality of what happened.

>>15681272
>Like in Umineko?
Please, when the only thing you have is complete guesswork, zero relying on the heart, it's nothing like Umineko.
>Kyrie grew up in a bad family, maybe it affected her?
>people need money, maybe they killed for money?
None of those are motives that involve a person's personality.
X grew up in Y, that makes that person evil. It removes individuality.

>Nobody said anything about convicting a person.
When you make everyone a suspect, you end up suspecting nobody, so you're left with relying on evidence. But since you don't care about presenting evidence and just guessing out of your ass, I guess that makes sense to you.

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>>15681291
Offer your own answers or fuck off already. All you've done is rebuke without giving your own answer.

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>>15681291
Stop unnecessary complicating things. Just because she didn't have a motive that "that involved her personality" doesn't mean shit. She had a motive and that was money. Rudolf needed lots of money and fast. Kyrie being the yandere she is goes berserk and kills everyone. Possible, right? I am not saying it is certainly the truth, I am saying it has a high chance of happening. Oh but wait, probability doesn't mean anything you right? Well it should in this case, since we are talking about parallel worlds/fragments - some kakeras are more likely to happen and some are less.

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>>15681321
>Just because she didn't have a motive that "that involved her personality" doesn't mean shit.
Are you kidding? It means everything.
If everyone has the same motive, then no one has a motive.

>Possible, right?
Possible is not definitive, possible is probability and guesswork. Not evidence.

[Anonymous No.]

More people whining about how they didn't like the story's outcome and claiming that there's a true hidden answer even after six years? Wonderful.

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>>15681343
No it doesn't mean shit.
We can narrow down the culprit to be
>Hideyoshi/Eva
>Rudolf/Kyrie
>Rosa
They were the ones who need lots of money and fast.

Then, we can analyze their personalities and backgrounds and we can make a probability list.
>inb4 it is just guesswork
Yeah so? I never said it is the truth but you can't deny some people are more suspicious than others.

>Possible is not definitive, possible is probability and guesswork. Not evidence.
Just what we need in a case which doesn't have any evidence, right?

At this point I am pretty convinced you are either some kind of autist or just a shitposter.

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>>15681369
>They were the ones who need lots of money and fast.
Did you not understand what I wrote? If everyone has the same motive, then there is no motive.

>Yeah so?
It means you don't have any evidence.

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>>15681385
>>15681343

>People have motives
>Nobody has motives

What

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>>15681351
Everyone knows it was Eva and Hideyoshi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15681400
Don't bother, he is a troll hungry for replies.

[Anonymous No.]

I can't even tell which one is the shitposter anymore.

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>>15681400
If everyone is has the same personality, then no one has an identity. If you try to discern someone's motive for murder but everyone has the same motive, then you aren't finding a motive because everyone has the same motive.

He cannot say that everyone has the same motive.

If you love everyone, then you love no one. It's the same concept. It's not hard to understand.

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>Umineko manga doesn't fuck around literally confirms in several ways that Kyrie and Rudolf were the culprits.

>People still deny the truth.

I swear Umineko fans are the most autist fanbase

[Anonymous No.]

>>15681436
Except that makes zero sense in reality and if multiple people have the same motive, a single one can still commit a crime with that motive while the others don't. Are you half asleep?

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>>15681385
You didn't understand what I wrote, retard.
It isn't everyone, it is 5 people.

>It means you don't have any evidence.
You don't have any so it 's not like it matters. Evidence doesn't exist in Umineko since the bomb went off. Now fuck off.

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>>15681442
Even if you disregard the manga those two are fucking suspicious.

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>>15681442
It's actually kind of funny how they're reacting the same way Ange did

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>>15681483
So Ange was ready to accept that her parents were guilty, but the truth was worse?

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>>15681511
Yes.

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>>15681511
No, it says that she was ready to accept the gruesome way of killing her parents, not that she was ready to accept that they killed anyone

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>>15681462
>It isn't everyone, it is 5 people.
Funny how you ignored Krauss and Natsuhi.
That's still most of the adult cast. Just because you can't count doesn't mean it's most of them.
All the adults needed money.

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>>15680924
I made a few more Gohda edits

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>>15681612
Saved.

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>>15681612
I don't understand the last one.

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>>15681620
It's supposed to be like Shannon's barrier

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>>15681602
Krauss and Natsuhi didn't need the money urgently. It was explained in episode 1.
And besides was the successor so he would get most of the stuff legally.
Guesswork, right? :^)

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>>15681651
*Krauss was the successor

[Anonymous No.]

>>15681651
Krauss literally sold their house as collateral for his business, so if he didn't start making a profit he was screwed.

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>>15681651
>Krauss and Natsuhi didn't need the money urgently.
Yes they did need money for Krauss' project he kept fucking up. Regardless on how you spin it, he still needed money.
The motive for all the adults is essentially needing money. And if everyone has the same motive, no one does.

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>>15681651
Also
>stealing money from Kinzo
>legal
It's like you didn't read ep 5.

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>>15681697
>>15681719
>>15681698
Krauss was still in a better position than the rest of them. Did he need money? Yes. Did he need it urgently like the others? No.
And the stealing from Kinzo thing was kept hidden. Even though the other siblings suspected him, they couldn't prove anything. Krauss had more to gain by negotiating with the others than killing them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15681644
Gohda is not one of the servants wearing the One-Winged Eagle though, who call themselves 'furniture'. Only 'furniture' have those powers.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL8AEVu0Tz8

Why is the manga better than the game? How can Ryukishi be so much of a hack?

[Anonymous No.]

Been away for a bit. Any news on writer-anon? Didn't he say he'd write a Hideyoshi scene or something? If it's already posted, I'd much appreciate a link

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>>15681612
We must have a Gohda culprit story soon. It's just too good. Of all the characters in Umineko he seems to be the one who puts up a front the most. He never really shows his real self. With his history in hotel work I imagine he knows quite a bit about drugs, sex and this will have helped him cultivate an impassive front. It can't be beyond the wits of a couple dozen anons to imagine a serial killer Gohda.

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>>15681997
I sort of agree. Fuck the bomb. It's Gohda feeling neglected and underappreciated. He starts killing and leaves the stove on and explodes the island by making a trail of gasoline and igniting it from the safety of his escape boat.

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>>15681968
I'd like to see a Hideyoshi fight scene as much as the next anon but Im still waiting for When The Owls Cry. Fuck that was like months ago but Im still pumped to read about this
Didnt that anon say he was going to write a short story or something? We need more people in these threads writing
So many promises and Im just here waiting

[Anonymous No.]

>>15682037
If I knew of some sort of software that would allow for me to put together Umineko scenes from backgrounds, sprites, and music I would be writing stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15682056
Ren'Py.

[Anonymous No.]

beato

[Anonymous No.]

>>15682056
There's Ren'Py. That's what I use to make VN.
Never finished any, but it works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15679889
>Probably would even kill Maria.
But mama loves Maria!

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>>15682157
Say it in red.

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>>15682056
Apparently the guy who made a vid of the Nanjo fight scene used a generic Umineko scene maker thing you should be able to google easily. I had a look at it though but it's mainly for screenshots. Can't imagine the hours it would take to make an actual scene.

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>>15682166
This?
http://no-info.no-ip.info/Umineko/screenshot/generator.html

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>>15682196
>http://no-info.no-ip.info/Umineko/screenshot/generator.html
Yeah. The entire thing was too stiff and not how Umineko reads. The sound effect, slow text, moving screen, etc, was missing and removed the experience.

I'd make a Nanjo scene but I'm too lazy.

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>>15682196
Yeah, that's the one. Must take hours/days to make a whole scene though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15682109
Well, I've got all the sprites, backgrounds, sound effects, and music, so I'll mess with this some time and see if I can get something good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15682255
It'll be time consuming, but you can do things.
Just ask me if you need help, I can help even a little bit.

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>>15682263
I'll ask in the threads. I'm not planning to start now, might not even be any time soon because the new university semester is about to start.

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>>15682285
There are threads?

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>>15682294
Well, you're in one right now

I assume you thought I meant Ren'Py threads

[Anonymous No.]

>>15682163
Isnt it funny how you cant say
>>>/l/
>>>/o/
>>>/v/
>>>/e/
In red?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15682675
Nope, that doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15682675
That's because love doesn't exist.
Illusions, by their definitions, don't exist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15682675
Isn't it funny how I can say

>>>/e/rika
>>>/i/s
>>>/s/hit

in red?

[Anonymous No.]

>>>/r/ika
>>>/i/s
>>>/t/he/
>>>/c/utest

[Anonymous No.]

>>>/m/ackerel
>>>/i/s
>>>/t/he
>>>/b/est
>>>/t/rademark
>>>/f/ood

[Anonymous No.]

>>15682675
>>>/w/ithout
>>>/r/abu
>>>/i/t
>>>/c/annot
>>>/b/e
>>>/s/een

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>>15682786
>>>/m/ackerel
>>>/t/astes
>>>/h/orrible
>>>/a/nd
>>>/e/veryone
>>>/p/retends
>>>/t/o
>>>/e/njoy
>>>/i/t

[Anonymous No.]

>>>/y/ou+are+going+to+die+tomorrow

[Anonymous No.]

>>15682800
How exactly do you enjoy your mackerel, anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15682809
Raw.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15682800
>not appreciating the sacred mackerel goodness

[Anonymous No.]

I'll never understand why I love this BGM so much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6vALMSQHQ8

[Anonymous No.]

>>15682882
Because it's relaxing.

Unlike Umineko itself which is very straining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15682882
This song is pretty underrated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15682882
Doesnt it always appear in deep thought scenes? Like figuring out the epitaph or Battler figuring out everything on the end of ep5.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15682882
It's almost the same track as this one from Higurashi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6biUF-Xa4I&list=PLEC69B03890CBA9BA

[Anonymous No.]

>>15682882
Also this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcDL6B7CLuA&list=PLEC69B03890CBA9BA

[Anonymous No.]

>>15682921
>>15682927
You posted the same song twice.

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>>15682929
Huh, I think I might be losing my mind.

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I'm in absolute love with Umineko's voiced tracks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z27pIIOnZlU

[Anonymous No.]

When the hell did this appear?
I swear this is some rose gun days shit and not umineko.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnKJGcmpkaI

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>>15682987
Ange/Amakusa hijinks, I think when she escapes Okonogi's building

[Anonymous No.]

How does Battler going to Rokkenjima causes the tragedy?
Yasu was a pretty fucked up individual, shit would have happened anyway

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>>15682997
For the same reason throwing a bottle of gasoline in a fire doesn't extinguish it.

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>>15682997
If Battler came a year before, Yasu would have talked to him and tried to get over it instead of a family murder.
If Battler came a year later, Yasu would be over him and just accept George, also making it that the family murder never happens.

Sure, she may not have murdered them all, but it was her letter at first that caused the family finding the gold.

[Anonymous No.]

It has been an exact year since this...
https://twitter.com/hellabrett/status/633140748624359424

And I still have hope, even though it's a hoax.

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>>15683074
What's so good about Ufotable?

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>>15683086
Gorgeous animation, sound editing, fluidity, at times amazingly faithful to the source material (Fate/Zero, except for an info dump here and there, and some minor details). They also are more likely to get a really nice main staff for the works they do.

Just that, really.

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>>15683127
I don't know much about them.

Who took care of Higurashi's oh-so-hated first season?

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>>15683127
Literally everything the inexistent anime adaptation for Umineko lacks.

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>>15683086
Nice special effects. Nothing else.

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>>15683144
sick bait

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>>15683133
The same as Umineko
DEEEEEEEN

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>>15683133
Higurashi was made by DEEN, just like Umineko. Same director as well

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>>15683156
Is not bait. Is really what I think about Ufotable.

[Anonymous No.]

>trying to make a Umineko playlist
>filtering strictly so its not a 3 hour+ playlist
>end up with 97 tracks and 6,7 hours
How the fuck

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>>15683221
Then I reccomend you doing more research about it. Or just watching Fate/Zero and then reading the books just after (or vice-versa), that would let the evidence be more clear regarding their content.

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>>15683240
There are some tracks have more than 7 minutes.

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>>15683247
I have. Also FSN. And KnK.
I'm still find it pretty special effects and nothing more that a pair of sakugas. Ufotable is pretty overated imho.

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>>15683272
Well, what is wrong with it then, in your opinion? Since it only has quality animation to you.

Give me some negative aspects regarding the adaptation of Fate Zero, not counting the ones I already mentioned.

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>>15683349
MANA TRANSFER DRAGON Well, there are MANA TRANSFER DRAGON some issues MANA TRANSFER DRAGON with the way MANA TRANSFER DRAGON they adapted it.

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>>15683727
Wrong anime, fellow.

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>>15683727
The mana dragon, despite how fucking retarded it is, is actually canon. They used it to replace the sex scene in the All-Ages versions

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>>15683829
At least they follow Ryukishi007's example of shitting on their fans.

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>>15683836
Ryukishi the guy who treats his fans the best in Japan, compared to any other VN writer ever (not counting Uchikoshi on the internet with the western fanbase, of course).

He even organize parties for them to meet him and change ideas/give explanations.

This you are saying is the most pure bullshit from someone who seems to not have understood the story, nor know how cool and modest the author really is.

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>>15683727
That's DEEN not ufo table

[Anonymous No.]

Here's an update on Ange's nude edit. As always if there are any issues please let me know and I'll try to fix them.

[Anonymous No.]

i think this track is really underrated (i don't see people talk about it a lot at least) and its one of my favorites

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbhPq4pGn8M

Episode 6 in general has a lot of my favorite umineko music in it

[Anonymous No.]

I've seen you guys say in the last thread about how the first part of rose gun days is bad and you have to push through, but seriously, how could one care with this funky bgm?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq2UsxTaSNg

This is straight up my shit, even better when we get some jazz up.

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>>15684136
Anything bad anyone can say about Rose Gun Days is cancelled by that sick BGM they have.

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>>15684136
If you actually start playing the silly shooting game, it gets insanely captivating.

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>>15684136
Also, I never said that the first part of Rose Gund Days is bad, just that it's slow, goes full shonen and lacks a spark of dynamic character banter Ryukishi is known for. Then there's the whole Japan being fucked over and industrialized along with westernized that you just can't get a good feel because you're not japanese. Not to mention sometimes you have invisible random background characters yelling at something because it's undeserved and it's hard it imagine. And depending on your level of tolerance, Leo is either a funny banter guy that lets Ryukishi just go full crazy with the fight scenes with cheats turned on or just a Gary Stu shit that you can't take seriously.
It's not bad but overall, it's possibly the weakest part of the story.

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>>15684105
Dai is a fucking genius

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>>15684006
There's a small piece of her clothes on the right side of her hair.
I've tried to come up with a suit but it doesn't look good.

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>>15684006
>>15685495
Small error.

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe if her skirt was see through?

[Anonymous No.]

A bit better I guess?
Though I think it would be better if her entire skit was see through rather than just the skirt in front of her slit.

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>>15685247
>just a Gary Stu shit that you can't take seriously
This was my impression of Leo.
Does someone teach him a lesson and fuck up his shit at least once in the story? Only read the beginning.

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>>15685686
lol no. But he gets a very very small amount of depth where you somewhat get where he's coming from somewhat at the beginning of Season 2.
Though it's obvious Ryukishi was self conscious of how much bullshit Leo was to the overall story and takes care of it by Season 2 in a way that I won't spoil but isn't very important. However, it does give a lot more credibility to the rest of the story and gets better once that happens. Then the story becomes the three stooges and mafia keikaku cultural warfare FUCK JAPAN IT FUCKING SUCKS.
There's also an insanely weird part in Season 2 which I also won't spoil that just comes out of fucking nowhere that Ryukishi wrote to be badass but comes off as completely disgusting. To the point where Ryukishi might have gone too far imo.
It's the part where Leo tricks Rose to sleep with him due to the promise she made to him. He just pushes her down and has his way with her, and it's later revealed that Leo tricked Rose into sex and he knew about it. Essentially, Leo raped Rose. And holy shit, I'm not a feminist but that did feel extremely wrong. It was framed as something romantic and just felt completely wrong, which is weird when the scene right after that rape is when Leo gets a bit of depth about his past and being nihilistic.

I would still recommend that you rest the rest of Rose Guns Days.

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>>15685510
>>15685557
Looks like a nice start. I'm probably going to try and make another outfit from scratch.

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>>15685824
Any ideas on what to do to cover her breast/nipples?
I know you talked about having Eva's dress tattoo thing and that might work, but it might be too tacky.

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>>15685835
Here's a basic outline of 2 ideas I had. One is a sleepwear consisting of black lace panties and a short shirt that exposes some underboob. The other Idea is a more exotic dress shaped like the one-winged eagle. I'd probably also add some more to the outfit like we did with Eva's. These are just some ideas though, neither of them are final.

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>>15686057
The one on the left looks like a regular undergarment sleepwear more than an erotic dress, and the one on the right really looks too tacky. It's too open and naked.
Unfortunately, I don't have any ideas to propose. Her outfit is overall too exposed. Nothing covers her breasts or her slit.

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Hmmm, even that's too tacky. It looks wrong, there's too much on her body, it feels cluttered.

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>>15686087
The Eagle one isn't nearly finished. I was planning on adding other elements to it like with Eva's outfit. Here's another idea. You could extend her collar to cover her nipples like so.

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>>15686264
Forgot picture.

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>>15686273
Oooh, that looks better. I have an idea for the skirt. It'll be posting it shortly.

[Anonymous No.]

I think I need to twinkle a bit with the skirt but something along the lines of this is probably the best.

[Anonymous No.]

Honestly, I'm pretty happy with how this looks.
Any suggestions?

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>>15686462
Well, we can keep working on the outfits as we go. For now I'm going to get back to work on the nude base sprite.

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>>15686534
Yeah that's fine. If you have any other ideas, I'd love to hear them.

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>>15686550
I've got nothing on the skirt for now, but I think it might be more erotic if we left some of her upper body clothed. That way, it would highlight the exposure on her breasts. Here are 2 idea's I had.

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>>15686835
>I think it might be more erotic if we left some of her upper body clothed.
Oooh, much much better and more erotic for sure.
I really like the right one.

[Anonymous No.]

I think the skirt looks better if you keep the black outline, it makes it look more like a skirt, yeah?

I really really like this alternate outfit. Ange went from a full outfit to a lewd summer outfit.

[Anonymous No.]

I really love this outfit. It's so good. I would even argue that it's even better than the original.

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>>15687123
>>15687190
Yeah, I like it too. of course, I'll probably try to refine it as I work on the nude sprite, making small correction here and there. The only thing that bugs me about it is the gap between the top and bottom. Something about it just feels off.

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>>15687209
It's probably the belt. It's holding onto nothing.
We can probably remove the bottom portion (between the belly button to the too of the skirt).
Something that will be amiss is that the belt removes the bellybutton and that's sad. So maybe that's the answer.

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Also, if you'd like to tinker with Ange's skirt, make it more transparent or whatever, here's her skirt.

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>>15687233
I think that should work.
>>15687275
Thanks, I'll try a few things.

[Anonymous No.]

Hmmm, I don't think it looks good. It feels more wrong. Like the belt is entirely unnecessary and then her skirt feels completely loose without anything holding it.

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>>15687328
>Like the belt is entirely unnecessary and then her skirt feels completely loose without anything holding it.

Then how about this. I shopped the belt so now it's holding up her skirt. two birds with one stone.

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>>15687640
GENIUS.

[Anonymous No.]

Showing the bellybutton adds so much more to the lewdness.

[Anonymous No.]

So much more lewd.

[Anonymous No.]

Also, I still like the idea of a One-Winged Eagle dress. Here are a few I've been working on.

[Anonymous No.]

There we go, finally.


>>15687869
I dunno, they look weird.
The one on the left looks pretty good though I think there's too much going on everywhere, even if it looks really good. The one in the middle almost looks like a dress but not at the same time.
The one on the right looks like a weird K but on her body where it looks less like a dress/outfit but something covering her parts.

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>>15687898
That part above the boob area is what is making it weird for now (since it isn't finished just yet), imo.

But so far so good.

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>>15687869
How about this for the left?

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>>15687925
Hmm, maybe... I'm also not sure if I should do something with the shoulders or leave them bare like that. I also tried turning it into a normal dress. How's this?

[Anonymous No.]

The more that I think about it, the more that I like the near naked outfit with the eagle. Even I think the dressed outfit with the skirt is better.
The thing is that the lewd designs is about making the cast naked and or lewd. But like Maria's secondary dress with the skirt,it's moe gap in design but not as lewd Maria only wearing panties.

We can probably make two sets of design outfit.
One for moe gap and one for maximum lewdness.

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>>15687978
Oh wow, that's actually beautiful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15687925
>anon you have so much free time, what do you with it
>make lewd versions of Korean visual novel characters

[Anonymous No.]

>>15687989
Still better than most of us do if ours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15687989
At least he doesn't shitpost, unlike the Berkastel spank fan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15687989
It's either that or finishing my monster analysis video I keep stalling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15687999
>do with our*

Holy shit, I fucked up big time and didn't even see until now.

I really need to sleep.

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>>15688033
I decided to try adding something on her shoulders. I'm not sure if this is better or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15688001
>At least he doesn't shitpost
You didn't realize, don't you?

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>>15688082
You know what Ange needs to cover her shoulders? The Kinzo cape.

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>>15688082
Seems pretty neat, honestly.

It's more cool-sexy than erotic (if that makes any sense).

>>15688092
THIS, TOP KEK

[Anonymous No.]

>>15688001
He's one of those ban evading shitposters

[Anonymous No.]

seacats porn hour: starring the fill tool, with a guest appearance from the circle tool

[Anonymous No.]

>>15688118
>implying
No I'm not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15688127
Not you, you imbecile. The other one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15688132
Okay...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15688138
Okay. Hmm, I surprised you didn't notice before. Limp dick has too much free time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15688148
I'm on vacation and I'm not travelling this year.

[Anonymous No.]

And yes, I'm killing your fun, because why not?
>>15688154
You never know, maybe your other aunt might die too.

[Anonymous No.]

Just joking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15688164
Extremely rude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15688167
Bah! Just like you with me all the time. I don't care.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15688170
Still rude though. I never wish death upon anyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15688172
Uh-huh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15688179
People deserve to live for as long as their bodies allows.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15688188
I agree, just like I said, I was just joking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15688200
Uh huh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15688229
Fine. I don't care about everyone. Just a small amount of people, the rest doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.]

Not really true, I don't really know. It depends.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15688238
I don't care about anyone, but just because I don't care about anyone doesn't mean that no one doesn't deserve to live and be happy.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't like this conversation. Now I feel like the bad one. I don't apologize. Die.
>>15688268
That's not true. I know about a few you care about a lot. Drop the act, you don't need to act cool with me. I know how pathetic you really are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15688280
Meh. I care but I also don't care, it's hard to explain.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm b.o.r.e.d
>>15688286
You don't need to. I have a brother so it's not necessary. Your parents are an important part of your life too.

[Anonymous No.]

I suppose I might as well say hello to God while I have the opportunity. Hiiiii!!

[Anonymous No.]

I tried adding the cape, though it looks pretty crappy without shading

[Anonymous No.]

>>15688320
Besides that, it still looks awesome as a concept.
Good job, draw-anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>15688286
Jesus, were you always this boring?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15688320
Could you make Ange's head ~10% smaller to the naked model?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15688360
No, I'm just tired and annoyed that I can merge Kinzo's cape on Ange.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15688368
Like I care about that crappy intent of cape.