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[Anonymous No.]

So...why did Reimu kill the male youkai but leave all the other youkai that she's met during her time in Gensokyo alive? It's not like they were all innocent.

If it's because he was a human that became a youkai and she doesn't kill natural youkai because that's just what they are, all right, but then why wouldn't she have killed Alice or Patchu then, since they were originally humans? Or hell, even Marisa and even Reimu herself have been called 'youkai-like' at times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15632240
Because delete this immediately or die

[Anonymous No.]

>>15632240
Patchouli was not originally a human. There are two kinds of magicians, naturally born ones and ones that become magicians. The naturally born ones are "youkai" I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

She's a feminazi, but since she can't touch the regular humans so she destroys any male youkai that she comes across.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15632240
It's not matter of morals, but pragmatism. She doesn't really give a shit if a youkai used to be human unless they're from the village. She's concerned that villagers might realize they can climb above their station as faith cattle by becoming youkai, which would spell the end for Gensokyo.

[Anonymous No.]

No one likes grimdark 2hu

Post cute Reimu!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15632345

[Anonymous No.]

>>15632240
>It's not like they were all innocent
It's funny you say that because they ARE.

The youkai are innocent because they just do what they're supposed to do. There are very few that actually cause real and serious trouble. Like, Seija is one of them and all of Gensokyo went after her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15632576
And they do it out of the spirit of being in Gensokyo. Seija is an Amanojaku that does her job very well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15632390
MURDERER!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15632588
well rather

Seija's supposed to just be a low ranking little shit, so what she's doing is naturally going to earn her a lot of ire.

She does follow her nature, but she's unnaturally ambitious. Kind of like how Cirno's in the "wrong" for regularly attempting to rise above her station

[Anonymous No.]

>>15632603
NO

[Anonymous No.]

Donation pwease!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15632287
Pretty much this.

Until she kills Kosuzu

[Anonymous No.]

>>15632663
I don't know why people always post this. Mamizou literally says he was beyond saving.

Reimu's job is to not be nice and play politics, its to ensure balance at all costs. The humans and youkai live in a delicate balance in gensokyo and shifts in that can disrupt their world entirely. If the humans act out or do not fear youkai or believe in things, or if they all believe in some things more than others, shit goes down. Which is why the religious factions are trying to gain control of the village and their faith but are using sermons and subtle shit.

Mamizou also details how looking beyond the barrier and harboring negative emotions invites dark magic and is pretty taboo in the fortune teller story, especially when she warns Kosuzu.

There are clear rules to being a village citizen. Jinyou break these rules and when one does his whole stupid supervillain appearance in town then monologues to Reimu thinking she's a youkai instead of running and never being seen again, obviously he's going to die. Patchouli is a born magician and Alice is from Makai. Marisa's whole gimmick is she's an ordinary human who works hard. The jinyou are a special case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15632746
Why would they have humans in Makai?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15632757
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Makai
>It is an unstable land with a harsh and unearthly nature that makes it difficult to survive in,[5] but youkai and some humans live and/or train their powers here regardless.[5] It is filled with a toxic miasma that's physically harmful that makes it impossible to get to Makai, but it strengthens magical spells and seals, and it can also make learning magic easier for a human.[6][7]

It's a stretch to say that Marisa was born there, even if you allow for PC-98 canon.

Though a really interesting question: where in the hell, and what in the hell, is Reimaden?

[Anonymous No.]

Gensokyo has a clearly fragile balance and ecosystem and its rules exist to keep the illusion in check.
1 Human becoming a youkai is like a butterfly effect. I mean seriously, how many factions and forces are there monitoring the villagers at that?

Patchouli wasn't born human so she's pretty much safe, though Alice was.
But Alice's canon history is rather shaky and not fully known to begin with, she could actually be from makai or not, whatever.
If she was a human from Makai, she could have just become a Magician, moved to Gensokyo and settled down no sweat, if not well...
At the same time, we don't even know how long she's lived, for one. She could have become a Magician and lived long before the establishing of the Hakurei Barrier (which was only a hundred-something years ago) and the rules that followed for Gensokyo.

I mean, Byakuren is also a human-turned- Magician long before Gensokyo's establishing, Ichirin is also some sort of "Pseudo-Magician-Unknown-Being" that used to be human, but they aren't being executed either, likely because they became youkai before these rules were created and enforced.
So I think it's safe to assume Alice is the same, or maybe just Magicians are a loophole to the butterfly effect, but if that's true the Jinyou could've just become one instead of going full retard, right?

Either way, clearly her case is different from the Jinyou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15632856
Mima's pocket dimension.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15632240

She killed Orange-

Oh wait, that's not canon anymore.

But, that Reimu herself is "youkai-like" is mostly from the fact she was...well, she was /raised/ by a youkai, and most of her interactions with humans are negative ones. She uses the term "exterminate" to roughly mean KO, whether she's talking to youkai, spirits, fairies, or fellow humans.

Marisa is freakishly strong for her age, but kleptomaniac tendencies aside, she's firmly a human.

[Anonymous No.]

Please don't be mean to Reimu!

[Anonymous No.]

People have taken this joke way too seriously for some reason. This secondary shit needs to stop.

>but then why wouldn't she have killed Alice or Patchu then

They aren't from the fucking human village and they probably changed before the rules.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15633564
>FS
>Secondary
>Joke

[Anonymous No.]

>>15633653

Given that they aren't the games, they are by definition secondary works.

[Anonymous No.]

Hey, guys. I'm the real Fortune Teller here. Let me tell you my story.

I used to be a human living in the Human Village (what kind of name is that anyway?). Then, one day I managed to catch a glimpse of the Outside World, which made me crave power and freedom from the youkai's yoke.

So what I did, was instead of using one of the many perfectly acceptable ways for humans to gain power (such as hermitage, devoting myself to one of Gensokyo's myriad of gods, or even researching magic baubles), I took the single one way out that was actually forbidden and turned myself into a fucking youkai using negative emotions.

Now, at the moment of my resurrection I caused a huge ruckus in the village, attracting the attention of the person who enforces rules in Gensokyo, and potentially harming one of her friends. Then, after drawing her out of the humans' earshot, instead of running for the hills as would have been reasonable, I stopped and explained to the one enforcer of Gensokyo how and where exactly I broke her rules. Then I presumed to know her inner workings despite never knowing her personally. THEN I insulted her to her face.

But SURELY I am innocent, right? It's the human-hating Hakurei who's at fault! I mean, she killed me - a human! Er, a youkai! But still a human, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15633679
t. Reimu

[Anonymous No.]

B A L A N C E

[Anonymous No.]

Reimu ask you for a kiss with her irresiatable cute face

Your answer?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15633801
Kiss where?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15633818
Anywhere but lips will be romantic

[Anonymous No.]

>>15633688
t. secondaries

[Anonymous No.]

>>15633801
Start grappling with her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15633839
Can I kiss her on... you know, "there"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15633321
>she was /raised/ by a youkai
Genji seemed alright though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15633801
put dick in face

[Anonymous No.]

>>15633409
'The Wonderful Shrine Maiden of Paradise'

HAKUREI REIMURDER

[Anonymous No.]

>>15633679
Damn straight. It's a good thing people like fortune teller and Byakuren are looking out for human interests. Who knows what would happen if the village had to rely on filthy youkai sympathizers like Reimu.

[Anonymous No.]

I noticed an amazing increase in discussion of this topic recently. Is it because we have nothing else to talk about or because crossies are reading FS for the first time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15634185
She had to dunk that vengeful spirit made off a horse corpse that possessed a dude (and killed him from the inside to wear him as a meat puppet)

So it started up again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15634185
It kicks up now and then. It's either someone reading the chapters for the first time or usually anti-Reimu bait.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15634185
Because /jp/ need a thread to discuss 2hu other than waifu or fetish thread which is currently like 80% of the catalog right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15634438
Idol threads fall in the waifu or in the fetish category?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15634852
In the 'garbage that needs to be purged for good' category.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15634852
I'm talking about 2hu ones but yeah, it'll be great if the generals move somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15633801
Fart on her face.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15632240
He broke the law by turning into a youkai. Reimu is judge, jury and executioner in one person.
The sentence was death.

The crimes of most of the others can be excused, because it's their nature.
If Reimu were to execute youkai for being youkai it would make gensokyo pointless and she'd would just reenact OPERATION MAKAI FREEDOM in Gensokyo.

Alice can't be considered human, even if she technically may be one, her upbringing makes that notion ridiculous.
Patchy probably changed a long time before coming to Gensokyo.

[Anonymous No.]

guys remember that time Reimu depopulated an entire world?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15636605
Patchy was born as a youkai, you fucking secondary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15636629
which game?
It's not mentioned in EoSD.
Patchouli does not appear in any other mainline game.
If it's not in the games, it's secondary information by definition of the term "secondary"

[Anonymous No.]

>>15636737
Are you kidding? Are you actually fucking trolling me? Her EoSD profile states she's a natural witch. You can't be this much of a secondary. This is even further reinforced, or even spelled out for idiots like you, in PMiSS.

[Tanasinn No.]

>>15633667
But it's written by Zun. Secondary works are doujin/fan-made

[Anonymous No.]

>>15636763
show me
I can't find that anywhere.
Her character profile only states that she's physically weak but good at magic.

You can go play the games yourself to read the dialogue.

PMiSS is secondary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15636788
The primary works are shooting games and whatever HRtP is (i never played it).
The secondary works are everything based on the games.
Tertiary works are things based on secondary works and so on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15636825
This is wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>15636810
Here:
>本物の魔女なので、魔法力は恐ろしいものがあります
>本物の魔女なので

[Anonymous No.]

>>15632240
>Patchu
>originally human
lolnope, she's a born magician and alice could become magician prior her arrival to gensokyo

[Anonymous No.]

>>15632576
the real danger are when one of the youkai's factions gain little too much power I'm see you, four eyes tanuki

[Anonymous No.]

>>15632757
well, alice is pretty much the same that lewis counterpart and yes, shinki was lying that time

[Anonymous No.]

>>15634185
>>15634438
There gets to a point though where people are retreading the same information constantly and people are straight up just not reading or understanding the works, whether through sheer ignorance or because they just want to argue. Every fortune teller thread is the same shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15637970
Maybe but I enjoy this shit more than the constant "I wanna X with this touhou!" shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>15633679
Shut up Reimu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15634185
I just find the whole Fortune Teller scenario and the fan's reactions hilariously ridiculous. Everyone knows that Reimu was right, but it was kind of jarring because the youkai in this case didn't seem to be that bad.

[Anonymous No.]

arn't vengfull spirit dangerous anyway ? also if i am not mistaken reimu consider what tbe divination guy did a greatest sin

[Anonymous No.]

>>15636930
and where did you find that?
And how is this of any significance?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15636810
>PMiSS is secondary.

You're the secondary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15638596
You are actually mentally impeded, aren't you? It's from her EoSD profile.
in b4 >a hurr de durr .txt files are secondary!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15639060
PMiSS is not a 2hou game, therefore it is not primary material, therefore it is at least secondary.

>>15639073
That's the first question.
Now for the second one:

How is >>15636930 of any significance?
本物の魔女 can be interpreted in several different ways. The particular interpretation you are suggesting is quite farfetched.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15639117
>How is >>15636930(You) of any significance?
You're really letting that retardation run away with you. We know that there are two types of magicians in Touhou: ones born into the properties, and ones trained up from regular human status. Patchouli, however, as her profile states, is the genuine article, 本物の魔女. She's not a transformed human (as Alice is, or Marisa may become). She's a real magician. 本物の魔女.

I can't put this any clearer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15639137
This is entirely based on secondary information.
Do you really not see the problem with your argument?
You are calling someone a secondary, but your reason for doing so is not mentioned anywhere in the games.

To further reinforce this point:
In PMiSS Patchouli is called a born magician, (i.e. 生粋の魔法使), not a genuine witch (本物の魔女) like in EoSD. These two are obviously not the same thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15639187
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Canon

[Anonymous No.]

>>15639223
>b-but muh canon
Secondary information is secondary.
Calling someone a secondary because they only rely on information present in the games is ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15639224
Hold on. Are you honestly equating "secondary" fans with "secondary" sources of canon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15639226
No.
I am saying that being unaware of secondary canon does not make someone a secondary fan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15639229
Yes, it does. A primary fan by definition engages in all aspects of a franchise, whereas secondary fans focus on just one aspect of it.

Well, but none of that matters, because substituting canon facts with head-canon/fanon statements such as "Patchouli turned into a youkai some time before EoSD" automatically makes one a secondary anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15639233
well, it certainly doesn't say so in the game, does it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15639238
That's a good point. I stand corrected. A "primary" who claims to only treat the games' info as canon, while blatantly ignoring canon facts present in said info is not a primary, nor even a secondary. He's a fucking tertiary.

[Anonymous No.]

Primary = Anything that ZUN directly worked on
Secondary = Anything derivative of primary material
Tertiary = Anything derivative of secondary material (e.g. Bad Apple parodies)

The person arguing that the written works are secondary is either a retard or baiting and should be ignored. Everyone else operates under the above definitions, so it's not even worth arguing about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15640204
well, remind me seeing cuaternary material somewhere

[Anonymous No.]

>>15633679
>I used to be a human living in the Human Village (what kind of name is that anyway?).
It's not a name, it's a descriptor. That's a translation error that stuck.

[Anonymous No.]

Into the trash it goes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15632240
She's a shrewd yet slacking businesswoman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15636911
He's right though, anything based on the games is secondary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15632240
She doesn't want the Youkai to breed