Seacats

[Anonymous No.]

Another Umineko thread

Small bombs

[Anonymous No.]

>Episode 5
>the witches say they want a perfect game that never ends to sate their boredom
>they are doing everything possible to wreck Beatos perfect game

What are they doing? Are they trying to wreck the game on purpose? But they could do that with their own...

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What is the trick behind 588?

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Platform X

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SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT THIS PIECE OF SHIT

EVEN 2CH HATES IT

FUCK OFF AND DIE

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>>15577848
Same

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https://github.com/07th-mod/umineko-question/releases

[Anonymous No.]

I love Bernkastel and want to marry her

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>>15577894
Do you want to suck her displaced upper nipple too?

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I wanna thank you guys for, when someone asked for spoilers in the last thread, giving them false spoilers so they're still surprised (in fact, even more surprised).

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>>15577848
Low-taste weeaboo, eh? Not enough Touhou and Kancolle threads for ya?

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>>15578022
2hus are okay

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>>15578020
Is today a baitfest or what

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>>15578029
Then again, I've rarely been around during the times the thread first gets created, so perhaps creation date bump calls this sort of thing in as a regular phenomenon

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>>15577848
2chan is more cancer than us.

Talk about shit taste with the idol garbage.

But special mention on shit taste for not liking seacats.

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>>15578049
If we start that subject, almost the entirety of japs have shit taste, seeing their favorite X polls and utter adoration of moeblobs

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>>15577848
Considering this is 4chan, you know this will produce the opposite effect.

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>sayo will never get a happy end
have you cried yet today, /seacats/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFyzTtKNzYI

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>>15578022

Touhou is low-taste weeaboo huh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuysjbuQ3p0

>>15578049
>>15578058

Wouldn't find anything like idol shit, moe blobs, and other fan service in Sea Shit.

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>>15577878

Based

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>>15578134
These elements appeared once, an represents literally less than 0,01% of the VN (most likely only to please Douga lovers and Touhou and/or Higurashi fans).

And it's easily the weakest part and flashback fragment of the whole story (the beggining of EP 2 is not exactly praised in here for a reason).

In any case, I hve nothing against Touhou, but nihonjin obsession with idols is just stupid.

PS:
Use the original sprites with you wanna make a point about the art. Not even the apelative character design save Ryukishi's little meat monsters, which is pretty much yet another reason why one would say nobody started reading Umineko for the moe or fanservice.

[Anonymous No.]

Come to think of it, is Tsurupettan still in the Steam version? They changed it to this in the PS3 port, but I don't know if it was because of copyright issues or not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZUfXX00RaY

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>>15578488
Yes, but there's no pachinko art version of it.

[Anonymous No.]

This "fight" from 7th episode is the best thing in whole series.

>that feeling of absolute despair when you know, that you don't have chance
>that feeling when all of your chances are dissapearing
>that feeling when all of the story is pure despair and heartbreaking end
>that feeling when Beatrice died in despair, thinking that there are no happy ending, but you will try to help her
>and you die, crushed by merciless cat mom
>"The Executioner", full volume
>Bernkastel laugh

This was literally my life. I fight with depression and try to not reach bad ending. And for a lot of years I was sure that there will be bad ending. I was sure that no one will save me. But I fought till the end. And I found my Willard.
Now, thanks to forbidden miracle I'm happy and on my path to happy ending. And still "The Executioner" is my favourite song.

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>>15578600
inspiring anon

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Regarding the ending of Episode 6, how does Erika say in red that she's the "18th human on Rokkenjima"? It's red which means it has to be true, but then Battler says that there are only "17 people"

I assume it has something to do with the distinction between 'human' (which Erika says) and 'person'/'people' (which Battler says), but I'm still now completely sure how it's supposed to be explained

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>>15579000

Have you considered that Umineko is incoherent nonsense that was made up as the author went along.

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>>15579009
It isn't really incoherent though, the Japanese text has always made a distinction between 人 (person) and 人間 (human). This is the case in all the Episodes, but I'm not completely sure what the difference between them is supposed to be

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>>15579009
you must try harder, the bait is too weak

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>>15579042
Basically, a 人/person isn't necessarily a human. Shannon and Kanon are always referred to as 人 in red because they're two people who are part of the same 人間/human being. Whenever Beatrice says that there are "no more than 18 humans" on the island, she always uses "19人以上の人間" which literally translates to something like "(not) 19 or more people who are human beings".

Now for the explanation of game 6. When they're talking about the windows earlier, Battler confirms to Erika in red that one 人 refers to one body. This isn't the case in any of the other games, but Battler still says so in red, which means that it's true for this one. So basically, in Episode 6 (and only Episode 6), 人 refers to body and not person. When Battler announces that there are "17人" at the end, he's really saying that there are 17 bodies if you include Erika's

And lastly, the 18th human. According to the manga, Erika was apparently declaring the numer of names, while Battler declared the number of bodies. I'm not completely sure how that's supposed to work, but that's what it says regardless

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>>15577848

beato

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>>15577440
Shutter Island is fine, DiCapriofag just getting butthurt over their
[red]he will won't an oscar before 2016[red]

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>>15579257
Where can I read the high quality manga scans?

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>>15579356
Cool, gonna watch it later just for the sake of comparison then.

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>>15579257
Actually, there's one more thing I want to mention regarding this

I'm not 100% sure about this, but the way I understand it, Kinzo is supposed to be removed from the count of people. Earlier in the Episode, someone asks Battler to remove Kinzo from the term 'everyone', since he doesn't exist anymore

This explains why there are 17 bodies, even though there should have been 18 with Erika+Kinzo

It also explains why there are only 18 names when Erika declares them in red. Yasu counts as both Shannon and Kanon, so if Kinzo is included there would have been 19 names if you add Erika's

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>>15579419
Batoto

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>>15577786
Works either way

>>15579440
Tip: get a paper and pencil. You could do a Bernkastel-like story if you compare fact you get from the movie. Just make sure to avoid reading the ending before you watch it.

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>>15577848
Hey you are the guy from Umineko thread 2 years ago? Have you manage to escape from your NEET-life?

>>15578058
>moeblob is shit
Stop hating mainstream for the sake of it you bandwagoner

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>finish Episode 3
>it was all a ruse

holy shit

I was half expecting Battler stubbornly to refuse to sign at the end which would lead into the next Episode, but Beatrice really fucking pulled one over on Battler, and me.

Also the new sprites for Virgilia's wicked smile made my fucking blood run cold

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>>15579732
it's stated that he's removed because he's dead, and that the 'people' in the count now referred to 'living people'. Erika's DOA according to the tips. I'm not sure how it is in the Japanese, but if Kinzo doesn't count, Erika doesn't either. she can be the '18th person' regardless, because it doesn't necessarily follow the same rules as the count, meaning that, she is the '18th person' as an extra added onto the confirmed 17.

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>>15581027
But the last part won't work. She's saying that she's the 18th 'name' on the island. If you count Kinzo as well, there are 19 names since Yasu has 2

Also, maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I think the tips just says that she died in the explosion

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>>15581027
So you're saying that there are 17 bodies if you don't include Erika and Kinzo? That doesn't sound right.

It doesn't make sense that they only count living people either, since 5 people were dead at that point.

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>>15579009
>A fictional story is made up by the author

Wow, I couldn't have guessed!

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>>15581457
Don't feed the troll.

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Haven't read Umineko since they came out, forgotten what a slog EP1 is. It's weird, I loved it when I first read it but now I'm sort of forcing myself through it so I can get to the meta fights and magic in later episodes.
I've got to say, there was a shit load more foreshadowing than I remembered though.

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>>15579000
basically
18 humans = number of personalities
17 = number of (living) bodies
18 because shannon and kanon are two separate personalities, plus erika
17 people + erika = 18
17 because kinzo is dead, and shannon and kanon are the same person. so-
18-1-1 = 16 bodies + erika, which is 17

>>15579009
nice meme!

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I don't understand why people think Erika is dead in Episode 6. She meets and interacts with everyone in the family, and there are several red truths that say things like "Erika did X", which wouldn't be possible if she was dead

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>>15583728
I think they think that the red text doesn't refer to the gameboard, but her actually alive/dead status in real life.

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what exactly is the riddle beato wants battler to find?

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>>15584248
The color of her underwear.

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>>15584248
Three men walk into a hotel to rent a room. The clerk charges them $30. They each pay $10.
Later on the clerk realizes he overcharged them. He gives the bellboy $5 to give back to them. On his way to them the bellboy realizes he can't split it evenly, so he keeps $2 and gives them back $3 each. So they end up paying only $9 each.
3 times 9 is 27, plus the 2 the bellboy kept is 29. What happened to the other dollar?

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Hm, trolls invading the calm seacats thread once more claiming it to be nonsense.

I will just post the answers for Umineko yet again. And since the site closed, I guess I'm gonna have to post purely the text in here (all the credits for our goat bro Gabezhul, of course, since the site and these very words were his work).

You guys please wait a few minutes (I'm kinda infodumping the thread just for the sake of it, but whatever).

PS:
He reached these answers before EP 7 and EP8 manga came out and updated some bits afterwards (together with some other hints from Our confession and the famous interview book), so, don't worry about some facts being called supositions / some alternative explanation being elaborated in some few lines at some instances.

PS2:
Also because of that, some details might be missing, since this is kinda outdated (iirc, the last time he updated it was 2013 or 2014). So feel free to add more info that is missing for everybody to read.

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>>15584227
That doesn't make sense either though. The Japanese line, そなたを迎えても、１７人だ, literally translates to something like "If you are greeted/welcomed as well, there are 17 people". She wouldn't have been greeted/welcomed if she was just a corpse washed up on the shore

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>>15584576
"Episode 1: Legend of the Golden Witch" Explained - Part 1 out of 2

>Culprits:

-Yasu is the killer
-Nanjo provides fake diagnoses and cover-up
-Genji provides the muscle for moving the bodies and cover-up
-Maria places the letters and provides the magic circles
-Eva and Hideyoshi also know some details and provide cover-up, especially when it comes to the "death" of Shannon

Furthermore, although a red truth forbids poison gases ([red]"There was no poison gas, there was no drowning, there was no death by suffocation!!"[/red]), I still presume most of the victims' food or drinks were drugged to make Yasu able to overpower them. Also, the Red Truth says nothing about gases that do not cause death, or substances such as formalin and chloroform that could possibly knock out the person, or at least disorient them to make them easier to deal with.

>First Twilight:

Six bodies were found in the tool-shed, their faces smashed apart, with a magic circle on the shutter. The six were Krauss, Kyrie, Rudolf, Godha, Rosa and Shannon. Out of the six, only Shannon was surely identified thanks to her ring. The shed was locked by a key that was in the servants' quarters.

! Red Truths !
[red]"the identities of all unidentified corpses are guaranteed"[/red] (Used by Lambdadelta in ????? for Episode 1.)

-Explanation:
The method of the murder is irrelevant. Based on the blood-stains in the dining hall, the actual killing caused only minor bleeding, so it was either a relatively small stab wound, or, more likely, blunt force trauma directly to the head. Either way, the end result is the same.

The faces were destroyed to protect Yasu's identity as Shannon/Kanon and to keep the modus operandi consistent. It is also notable that neither George (the person closest to her who was not in on the murders) nor Battler (our only reliable narrator) have seen her face, only Hideyoshi.

However, it is quite possible that Eva and Hideyoshi are forced or bribed into becoming Yasu's accomplices at this point, thus it is not only possible that Hideyoshi lied and Shannon's corpse weren't even there, but highly probable.

The funniest thing though is that the Red Truth regarding unidentified corpses specifically allows Shannon's corpse to be non-guaranteed. One one hand, it is described as being only half-smashed and thus she was not "unidentified". On the other hand, there was no "corpse" to begin with (as in, Yasu was either still alive or there was no body at all to begin with). In short, Yasu dodges the Red not once but twice!

#Special Circumstances
Maria's involvement was made especially obvious by the magic circle, which was more than likely drawn by her on the first place, thus explaining why she knew so much about it. The same goes for all the other magic symbols throughout the episode. The circumstances relating to the shed's key and the locked mansion doors are irrelevant, as the servants have the keys for both.

#Kinzo's disappearance:

In the morning, Eva "sealed" the door to Kinzo's study with a receipt so that she would know if the door was opened afterwards. When they later enter the room again and Kinzo was missing, she questions Natsuhi about how Kinzo could have disappeared without opening the door.

However, Kinzo was never in his room to begin with, so there was no-one to leave on the first place. I think it is pretty self-explanatory.

>Second Twilight:

Eva and Hideyoshi were killed in their own room. They had to cut the door-chain to get inside, and in there they were found with stakes in their foreheads. Eva was on the bed, out of view from the door, while Hideyoshi was in the shower.

! Red Truths !
[red]"Both were killed by another person!"[/red] (This is referring to the second twilight of Episode 1.)
[red]"It is not the case that, after the construction of the closed room, one of them committed suicide after committing murder!"[/red]
[red]"Furthermore, the murder was carried out with both the victim and the perpetrator in the same room!"[/red]
[red]"No method exists for the perpetrator to commit murder from outside the room!"[/red]

-Explanation:
The method of the murder is, once again, irrelevant. It was shown that, through the unreliable narration, the servants could have murdered the two any way they wanted to (though Yasu probably just shot them) and then stake them and position their bodies however they wanted.

The stakes were drilled into their bodies postmortem, or rather they were played in the gun-wounds, the effect is the same.

The closed room is solved by the unreliable narration. Contrary to what is "shown", the following is what really happened: They opened the door with the master key, Kanon cut the chain, they killed the two, and then pretended to find the corpses alongside the rest of the family and that they only just recently "had to cut the chain" to get inside.

To be Continued in "Part 2/2"

[Anonymous No.]

>>15584626
"Episode 1: Legend of the Golden Witch" Explained - Part 2 out of 2

>Fourth Twilight:

Kinzo's body was found in the furnace of the boiler room, with a stake in his forehead. His body was charred and could only be identified by his extra toe.

-Explanation:
Kinzo was not murdered, he has been dead for a while thanks to natural causes. His body was hidden in the furnace and was recently doctored by adding the stake to his forehead.

>Fifth Twilight:

Kanon was found on the floor of the boiler room, bloodied with an apparent wound on his chest, with the bloody stake next to him.

! Red Truths !
[red]"Kanon did not die in an accident!"[/red] (This refers to Kanon's death in Episode 1.)
[red]"Kanon did not commit suicide"[/red]
[red]"All of the survivors have alibis! Let us include the dead as well!! In short, no kind of human or dead person on the island could have killed Kanon!"[/red]

-Explanation:
Kanon wasn't murdered either. He faked his death with the help of Nanjo's fake diagnosis. No one has actually seen him being stabbed, with the stake in his chest, and people only judged how serious his injury was based on the bloodstain on the stake. There is no objective observation about him being actually wounded.

>The Witch's Third Letter:

Everyone is locked in Kinzo's study, when a letter appears on the table while they weren't looking.

-Explanation:
Maria put the letter there. She was the one who pointed it out on the first place, and the goal of the letter was to single the accomplices out so that they could get out of the study.

>Sixth, Seventh and Eighth Twilights:

Genji's, Kumasawa's and Nanjo's bodies were found in the lounge, their faces smashed and the bodies mangled. Maria was found facing the wall and singing, and she says she was told to do so by the witch. The door was locked from the inside.

! Red Truths !
[red]"Maria, who was in the same room, did not kill them!"[/red] (This is referring to the deaths of Genji, Nanjo, and Kumasawa in Episode 1.)
[red]"Genji, Kumasawa, and Nanjo are not killers."[/red] (This refers to their deaths in Episode 1.)
[red]"And of course, the three were killed by other people!"[/red]
[red]"Regarding the unidentified corpses, all of their identities are guaranteed. Therefore, no body double tricks exist!"[/red]

-Explanation:
The three were killed by Yasu. It is entirely possible they were drugged beforehand, though not necessary. Maria was on the sidelines during all this.

The door was locked by Maria from the inside to create the illusion of a locked room.

>Natsuhi's Death:

Natsuhi appeared to have had committed suicide by shooting herself in the forehead in the hallway. It appeared there is no one left on the island who could have done it.

! Red Truths !
[red]"Natsuhi was killed by another person!"[/red] (This is referring to Natsuhi's death in Episode 1.)
[red]"There are no unidentified corpses, and all of the survivors have alibis!"[/red]
[red]"The bullet buried into Natsuhi's forehead was not fired from Natsuhi's gun!"[/red]
[red]"The thing that shot Natsuhi wasn't a trap, it was a real shooting murder with a gun raised and trigger pulled!"[/red] (This refers to her death in Episode 1.)

-Explanation:
There was more than one gun to begin with, and so Yasu was easily able to kill Natsuhi while the cousins were locked inside the lounge. By the time they got out, Yasu was gone, replaced her gun with the killer weapon, and so it appeared that Natsuhi shot herself once the cousins found her.

END OF EPISODE 1

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>>15584248

beato

[Anonymous No.]

>>15584629
The part about Yasu switching Natsuhi's gun at the end is wrong. According to the manga, Natsuhi's gun was loaded with gunpowder, but didn't have any bullets, so it only made a discharge when she fired it. That's why there was smoke from the barrel

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>>15584638
Elementary, my dear anon. As I said, some of the info is outdated. I'm counting on you all to correct or add any missing or misinterpreted info.

Episode 2 coming right away.

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>>15584629
"Episode 2: Turn of the Golden Witch" Explained - Part 1 out of 3

>Culprits:
-Yasu is the killer.
-Genji is the main accomplice, but he only sets things up for her.
-Godha was probably threatened or paid off into playing along.
-Rosa was the front-woman.

>Rosa's Motivation:

This time Rosa plays the same role as Eva in EP1: she provides the argument with Battler and nudges him towards the truth. The reason why she would side with Yasu is complex. First off, she needs money. She also had a bad relationship with her siblings. Finally, she learns that Kinzo is dead and his death was kept secret. That, combined with the gold in Yasu's possession, would mean that she had all the financial and psychological incentive to betray her siblings.

>Maria's candy:

Maria's candy was destroyed by Rosa but then Beatrice used "magic" to fix it in front of Rosa and Maria.

-Explanation:

The method itself is quite obvious, but nevertheless it gives some insight into the events: It was specifically shown that Kanon had a pumpkin candy that was given to him by Maria earlier, but she didn't accept it when he tried to give it back after her own candy was destroyed because it wasn't the same candy. After that, all that's needed was a simple sleight of hand as Beatrice. She specifically asked Maria to close her eyes, therefore allowing the magic/deception. Rosa "witnessing" the magic and later reporting on it also solidifies her status as an accomplice.

>The letter:

Rosa is given the first letter by Beatrice.

-Explanation:
Contrast with the first episode. Note that she is not dressed as the witch Beatrice but instead in the more "contemporary" costume, meaning the meeting probably did happen for real and it was Yasu in disguise. Yasu wants to give the letter to Maria like in EP1 but is interrupted by Rosa, therefore she appears in front of her as well.

>\Guest\ Beatrice's Identity:

An actual 19th(sic) person, Beatrice, appeared on the island. She was seen by Rosa, Maria and Kyrie and was acknowledged by the servants.

-Explanation:
Rosa and Maria seeing her was clearly a pseudo-event, therefore the narration cannot be trusted. Considering the later events, it is fairly certain that Rosa became an accomplice at that point. However, Kyrie's account, while the narrated event is still doubtful, can be considered genuine, as she stated that she met her in front of Battler and was killed in the first twilight, therefore it can be said with a high certainty that she wasn't an accomplice who would lie about something like this.

Therefore, it is fairly certain that there was an actual person dressed as Beatrice. It is also notable that she did not address herself as Beatrice and that Kyrie noted her resemblance to the portrait, meaning it is almost certain that it was Yasu.

>Maria's occult knowledge:

Maria knows an awful lot of things about magic circles and the like without any possible source.

-Explanation:
It was established that she learned it from 'Beatrice'. Since Yasu has access to Kinzo's study and it was shown that Kinzo's books also contain these circles, it is reasonable to assume that this was the chain of knowledge, and it also explains how Maria instantly recognizes the specific magic circles, since they have been taught to her in advance.

To be Continued in "Part 2/3"

[Anonymous No.]

>>15584732
"Episode 2: Turn of the Golden Witch" Explained - Part 2 out of 3

>First Twilight:

Krauss, Eva, Rudolf, Natsuhi, Hideyoshi and Kyrie were found in the chapel around a table full of Halloween decorations and with three gold bars. Their stomachs were cut open and stuffed with sweets.

! Red Truths !
[red]"Regardless of whether they were living or dead, the six people definitely entered through the door"[/red] (Refers to the six murders in the chapel.)
[red]"Only one key to the chapel exists"[/red]
[red]"It is impossible to unlock the lock to the chapel without the chapel's key"[/red]
[red]"When the door to the chapel is locked, it prevents any and all methods of entry or exit"[/red]
[red]"Six people definitely entered through 'this front door'"[/red]
[red]"This morning, Rosa definitely took an envelope out of Maria's handbag, and thereby obtained the genuine key to the chapel"[/red] (This morning refers to the morning of the second day.)
[red]"The key to the chapel truly was the object inside the envelope I gave Maria"[/red]
[red]"The letter that I handed over to Maria and the one Rosa opened are the same thing"[/red]
[red]"Starting when Maria's key was received, and until the instant Rosa unsealed it the next day, it passed through no one's hands!!"[/red]
[red]"When the six were killed in the chapel, the culprit was inside the chapel!"[/red]

-Explanation:
There are two possibilities: The six victims were either knocked out and were taken to the chapel during the night, or they went there on their own accord in order to meet with Beatrice and got put to sleep/poisoned during the meeting. The latter would also explain the gold bars found at the scene.

The door was never locked to begin with, so they needed no key. Whether the table was prepared beforehand or during the night is inconsequential. Once they were unconscious/dead, their stomachs were cut open by Yasu (therefore fulfilling #10) and they were filled up with sweets.

Then, in the morning, Rosa went to the cousin's room to get the key (or rather, to get Maria's notebook for the magic circle but took the key as well, fulfilling #6, #7 and #9. Once the preparations were complete they called for Nanjo and the cousins followed, thus allowing Battler to witness the scene.

This time around the circle wasn't Maria's doing but Rosa's, as it was directly foreshadowed that she had access to Maria's notebook with the detailed drawings.

The gold bars are explained by that Yasu's presence who had solved the epitaph a while back, thus giving her the money needed for the bribery of Rosa and others.

To be Continued in "Part 3/3"

[Anonymous No.]

>>15584751
"Episode 2: Turn of the Golden Witch" Explained - Part 3½/3
(I know, I fucked up. Too much text with pretty horrible intervals, because of 4chan's limited word count for each post)

>Second Twilight:

Jessica is found dead in her room with a stake in her back. The room was locked from the outside and Kanon's body was missing.

! Red Truths !
[red]"The only master keys are the ones that each servant holds, one per person"[/red] (Used by Beatrice in Chapter 12: A Suspect.)
[red]"there are absolutely no types of hidden doors"[/red] (The location in discussion refers to Jessica's room.)
[red]"This door is the only way in or out"[/red]
[red]"The only way to lock this door is with Jessica's single key or the master keys, only one of which is held by each servant"[/red]
[red]"the window is locked from the inside"[/red]
[red]"Kanon was killed in this room"[/red]
[red]"When locked, entry is not possible by any means"[/red]
[red]"No trick could have the effect of locking the door from the outside without using a key"[/red]
[red]"There are no hidden doors in this room"[/red] (This text refers back to Statement 12, in the same context.)
[red]"There is no way to get in or out other than the door and the window"[/red]
[red]"Entry or exit is impossible except for the single door and single window"[/red]
[red]"And those were both locked"[/red]
[red]"The door and the window do not permit any kind of entry or exit when they are locked"[/red]
[red]"No one exists in this room except all of you. 'All of you' refers to Battler, George, Maria, Rosa, Genji, Gohda, and Shannon"[/red]
[red]"When Jessica's corpse was discovered, only Battler, George, Maria, Rosa, Genji, Gohda, Shannon, Kumasawa, and Nanjo were in Jessica's room"[/red]
[red]"[Whoops, the corpse of] Jessica is also included"[/red]
[red]"Therefore, both in the case of Jessica's room and the case in this servants' room, no humans exist that are you were not aware of"[/red]
[red]"No one is hiding"[/red]
[red]"Regarding the window, no method exists by which it could somehow be locked from the outside"[/red]

-Explanation:
Yasu discarded Kanon while inside the room (fulfilling #6) and killed Jessica by stabbing her in the back. Afterwards Yasu used her second master key (established by #4) to lock the door from the outside and then changed into Shannon.

The magic circle on the outside of the door was written up using Maria's notes.

The master-key issue is circumvented by Yasu actually having two master keys, therefore she could lock the door with Shannon's key.

A huge number of red truths referring to this "closed room" is inconsequential, since they are just denying Battler's random potshots at the solution.

The reason why the door was locked on the first place with a master-key can have multiple reasons. First off, it could have been used to put the blame on Kanon and thus let the rest of the servants move freely (which was torpedoed by Battler), but it could have also been a deliberate clue by Yasu for Battler to pick up on, namely the explanation as of why Kanon would have two master keys.

>Misplaced Corpses:

Kumasawa and Nanjo were killed in the servants', apparently by Kanon, but their bodies are missing. The door was closed.

! Red Truths !
[red]"[Those are] kept in the key box in center of the servants' room"[/red] (Used by Beatrice in Chapter 14: Devil's Proof. The location in discussion refers to the servants' room.)
[red]"[There are several keys to the servants' room, but] all of those are inside the key box"[/red]
[red]"Entry or exit is impossible except for the single door and single window"[/red]
[red]"And those were both locked"[/red]
[red]"The door and the window do not permit any kind of entry or exit when they are locked"[/red]
[red]"it is impossible to unlock the door without a key to the servants' room or the master key"[/red]
[red]"No one exists in this room except your group. 'Your group' refers to Battler, George, Maria, Rosa, Genji, Gohda, and Shannon"[/red]
[red]"No one is hiding"[/red]
[red]"No method exists by which the door can be locked from the outside without using a key"[/red]
[red]"Regarding the window, no method exists by which it could somehow be locked from the outside"[/red]

-Explanation:
The faux closed room was created on the notion that the servants told the truth. In reality, they were killed and then moved without problem.

Their bodies were found outside later, also making them into the 7th and 8th Twilight victims, though it's fairly certain they were killed before the death of Gohda, George and Shannon in Natsuhi's room.

Again, the large amount of Red Truths stem from Battler asking the wrong questions in-story.

To be Continued in "Part 3/3... Part 2"

[Anonymous No.]

>>15584783
"Episode 2: Turn of the Golden Witch" Explained - Part 3½/3 （下）

>The 4th, 5th and 6th Twilights:

Gohda's, George's and Shannon's bodies were found in Natsuhi's room. The room was locked. Inside, Gohda's body was found by the door with a stake in his chest, George's body was found on the floor at the back with a stake in his stomach and Shannon's body was found on the drawer, with a hole on her forehead and a stake next to her.

! Red Truths !
[red]"Natsuhi's room was exactly the same, just like usual"[/red] (In this case, usual refers to the closed room scenarios prior.)
[red]"The door and the windows were locked from the inside"[/red]
[red]"There is no fraud or trick, there is no means of secret passage and no hidden place"[/red]
[red]"Natsuhi's own key was in George's pocket, and the inside of the room was closed off"[/red]
[red]"Only the five master keys were left, and 'Rosa' was holding all of them"[/red]
[red]"And let me say this, the parlor's the same"[/red]
[red]"The original key to the parlor is sealed in the servants' room. So unlocking it without the master key is impossible! The definition of a closed room is the same as always!"[/red]
[red]"After the master keys came into Rosa's control, never did any of them leave her hands! Except for the time when she lent it to Battler to unlock Natsuhi's room."[/red]

-Explanation:
This is a tough one, but thankfully Ryukishi comes to the rescue with the following quote from an interview:

_________________________
Interviewer: "Still, the locked room in Natsuhi’s chamber is a special case. If Shannon actually committed suicide, there is nobody who can get rid of the weapon. If you think of Genji finalizing that, then it just happens smoothly, but…hmm *laugh*."

R07: "Because we have come so far, I think I can give you an answer, though it is basically the same trick as with the well. Shannon died face down, slumped over the makeup cabinet. It’s a really simple trick. You tie the weapon to a heavy object with a string, then you throw the heavy object behind the cabinet. And then it’s the classic trick, when you commit suicide, the gun is pulled behind the cabinet towards the heavy object."

Interviewer: "So that’s how it went?!"

R07: "I thought, because you solved the riddle of the well as well, that you would get this trick without any problem. I especially wrote that she was "slumped over, face down, over the makeup cabinet". And while the other two in the room were actually pierced by the stakes, Shannon was not. That is why you can imagine her being the last to die in that room, because there was nobody left to insert the stake into the gunwound. There was never a full inspection of that special room, so that means that the weapon was left within it."
_________________________

With that said, the following can be concluded: Shannon killed both Gohda and George, locked the door from the inside, put the Key into George's pocket, and then committed suicide in the fashion described in the interview.

As for why Shannon/Yasu committed suicide, the best answer would be that she lost faith in Battler after his breakdown in the servants' room.
Note that Yasu's original plans involved her dying no matter what and that the trick for hiding the murder weapon was probably only there to give another clue to Battler.

>The Final Letter:

Battler finds a sealed letter inside the parlor. The doors and windows were all locked.

-Explanation:
It was Rosa who put the letter there. It was explicitly shown that she went back and checked all the windows before they left, giving her ample time to leave the letter there.

>The Final Scenes:

Genji leads Battler into Kinzo's study where he meets with Kinzo and Beatrice.

-Explanation:
We do know for sure that Kinzo is dead from the very beginning, so the entire scene is in the pseudo-realm. Since Battler is drunken at this point, it absolves his detective-privileges of objective observation.
The rest of the people on the island die when the bomb goes off.

END OF EPISODE 2

[Anonymous No.]

There is no bomb, or at least it doesn't get used directly. Knox rules say you can't reach a solution without clues presented, and no one's shown any evidence that a bomb clock existed in the basement.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm gonna sleep and will continue tomorrow.

I'm exhausted, and yet I force myself to post seacats content until I'm actually sleeping in the keyboard.

No regrets tho, ever.

[Anonymous No.]

A few days ago I started working on a PS3 art patch for the Steam release, but I am having some trouble repacking the assets into an arc.nsa file using nsaarc. Character portraits and other (PNG) seem to be displaying just fine, yet backgrounds (BMP) on the other hand, would end up noticeably zoomed in. I have resized and adjusted both portraits and backgrounds to fit the game, with all backgrounds having the exact same height and width as the game window.

There's also the problem in which, while using nsaout to extract the assets from the original arc.nsa, many, if not all of the bmp files would appear unreadable, including the original backgrounds, effects, and menu elements. If anyone would happen to have any knowledge concerning the extraction and repacking of nsa files, I'd very much appreciate some guidance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15584915
The sprites are kinda weird, since they move when they talk, etc..

Try asking the people responsible for the PS3fication project (it still is active to this day).

[Anonymous No.]

>>15584868
At the end of Episode 1, it says that the bodies were destroyed, and that the police had to identify Maria with a piece of her jaw

In Episode 6's tips, it says that Erika's accident was forgotten due to the "Rokkenjima Explosion" that happened around the same time

I guess you could also call the ending of Episode 4 a hint as well, when Beatrice says that Battler will die even though he's the only person on the island. It could also be counted as a hint that every game ends by 12:00

[Anonymous No.]

>>15584931
I didn't actually think of contacting them before, thanks! I might do just that.

And yeah, due to different widths in most of the poses, characters appear to 'move' with each expression. Fortunately that's already taken care of, all that's left is to correctly repack everything into a .nsa file.

[Anonymous No.]

There was an explosion != Kinzo had a clock in the basement that would explode at midnight if he turned a switch, and someone flipped that switch at some time. The direct cause of the explosion has to be something hinted at in the story.

EP4 and EP6 hints don't count for EP1 and 2, since all answers have to be supported with evidence at midnight on the second day, as we saw in EP5.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15584981
EP 1 and 2 were written by Yasu

EP 4 was written by Tohya and Ikuko based on Eva's diary and his old memories of the real deal (which would be his perspective of things).

[Anonymous No.]

>>15585002
EP1 and 2 were written by Ryuukishi, and if he followed the Knox rules in even the vaguest sense, he'd at least provide clues to how everyone died in the end.

Sure, he spoke out against rigidly following the Knox rules, but he wouldn't have mentioned them in his story unless he followed their spirit or thought he had something better. I don't see how he could think it'd be more impressive to make it unsolvable without clues released in a sequel more than a year later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15585035
What are you talking about? Every single episode followed Knox to a T.

And of course, not following Van Dine properly was a plot device later used (Willard evade to use his to not destroy the EP7 gameboard altogether with Lion), but yeah, that is a whole other thing.

The opening credits are a trap, if you are referring to them. Otherwise, feel free to show the opposite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15584868
The bomb theory existed before Episode 7 was released. I remember people talking about it around the time the anime aired, when only up to Episode 5 has been released. I don't remember what hints there are, but there must have been some if people already knew about it back then

[Anonymous No.]

>>15585066
People were talking about a bomb at least since around EP4, and it wouldn't surprise me if someone found it sooner.
The point isn't "was there a bomb". The point is "how do we know there was a bomb, and who triggered it, when, and why" in EP1.
You can't claim EP1 followed the Knox rules if there was no evidence for major things like that until EP4 or later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15585101
There's a lot of evidence, which is also why the bomb theory exist since the very first episode.

The whole thing closes abruptly as soon as the clock hit the last twilight, and we are presented with a epilogue were the only thing they found in the island were unrecognizable body parts and Maria's jaw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D64dqBbD7Q

[Anonymous No.]

>>15585101
The circumstances of the crime scene with having only Maria's jaw to work with is a hint, and I'm pretty sure Kinzo being in the war was mentioned in EP1 as well, correct me if I'm wrong. Clock count down is a subtle hint too. Golden butterflies filling up the area at the end is the blast, though I don't remember if this happens in EP1 as well as EP2. Also, by a stretch we could say that the "early part of the story" equals EPs 1-4 instead of just 1, and with that all the hints are definitely there.

[Anonymous No.]

I was watching Babadook.

Pretty... similar to Rosa and Maria imo. VERY similar indeed, actually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15584868
But the incident is refered as the Rokkenjima explosion sometimes. So, if it wasn't a bomb, what caused the explosion?

And I think the Knox rules don't apply to what happened in reality, only to the games.

[Anonymous No.]

What should the next When they Cry be about? (if we ever get one)

[Anonymous No.]

>>15585468
A family gathers in an old village because one of their family members died recently. During the night, the corpse mysteriously disappears, and when they wake up the next day everything around them is gone, and for some reason, there are two suns

It's Hotarubi

[Anonymous No.]

Besides moving Rka's soul around, Hanyuu didn't do shit to help her until the last chapter. Why? I mean, the "meta" explanation is probably because it would make things too easy and it would spoil things for the readers. But what is the in-story explanation? Hanyuu could have followed some people in the village to learn stuff or just keep an eye on Rika when she got killed, to see who did it.

[Anonymous No.]

Speaking of Hotarubi, volume 1 will be released on 21/9. Then we'll finally have some more raws that can be translated

http://seiga.nicovideo.jp/comic/22256

[Anonymous No.]

>>15585550
>21
That was supposed to say 12

[Anonymous No.]

>>15585558
You sure anyone will scan it and share?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15585624
It will most likely be released on Amazon Kindle, and in that case I'll rip it from there myself if no one else does

[Anonymous No.]

How does this work again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15585839
Asumu's stillbirth was also named Battler

[Anonymous No.]

>>15585141
>and we are presented with a epilogue were the only thing they found in the island were unrecognizable body parts and Maria's jaw.

That was chilling to read the first time without realizing what had really happened. It made me think something as vicious as a demon or witch could have done it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15577790
What episode was this in?

I think it's one of the most out of place things in Umineko, and there are plenty more

[Anonymous No.]

>>15586631
Was there something actually related to 588?
That comment referred to cockblocking an anon's desire to make a new thread at exactly 600 by making one at 588.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15586752
600 posts, that is.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Has anybody talked about translating Iwaihime or Trianthology? I checked VNDB, Fuwanovel, and Animesuki and saw no real mentions of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15586752
588 is a date IIRC, it's rather important

but it clashes so hard with the way Beatrice wants Battler to solve the mistery

588 is the equivalent of having like 10 different places in the metaworld to debate the gameboard, so unnecessary

[Anonymous No.]

>>15587424
Are you sane? Trianthology doesn't come out yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15587758
I can't remember anything about the number 588, can you post a scene where it's mentioned, or at least which Episode?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15587866
I think it should be in Episode 4, near the scene where Beatrice confronts Battler about his sin of seven years ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>15587424
I don't think so. I guess it's possible that MangaGamer might so it though, since they have a contract with 07th Expansion already

[Anonymous No.]

I'm back, gonna post episode 3 & 4 today and 5 & 6 tomorrow.

>>15587893
Iwaihime is from DMM, Mr. Anon sir. They would need to establish some legal stuff with them before doing that.

[Anonymous No.]

I like how Battler just says the answer to the Episode here. Ryukishi seems to love doing stuff like that

[Anonymous No.]

>>15584835
"Episode 3: Banquet of the Golden Witch" Explained - Part 1 out of 4

>Culprits:

-Yasu (she commits the original First Twilight murders)
-Eva (secondary killer, the main culprit once things get out of hand from the Second Twilight and onwards)
-Nanjo (accomplice in the First Twilight, once again supplying the fake death diagnoses and drugs)
-Hideyoshi (provides alibi for Eva during the Second Twilight)

>The Death of Shannon and Kanon:

In this episode's establishing scenes, the part between the cousins at the beach was very important, as this time around Battler specifically noted that a.) Shannon was his first love, and more importantly b.) that he believed that his memory could be jogged to the point where he could remember what he said six years ago, which might just been enough motivation to explain how the Beatrice persona was able to cast away the other two personae, explaining how both of them 'died' during the first twilight.

Alternatively, if you subscribe to the idea that Yasu is not so crazy and that her personae are just facets of her true personality instead of separate entities, it is entirely possible that the "death" of both Shannon and Kanon was a lot more pragmatic, necessitated by the First Twilight's closed room chain.

>1st Twilight:

Six bodies are found in locked rooms, with magic circles painted on the doors. The first body is Shannon's, it was found on the first floor parlor by breaking through a window. She had her master key and an envelope with the key for the second floor guest room. In that room, Kumasawa's body was found with her master key and another envelope with the key for the third floor waiting room. In that room, Gohda's corpse was found with his master key and an envelope with the key to the second floor VIP room. In that room, Genji's corpse was found with his master key and an envelope with the key to the underground boiler room. In that room, Kinzo's body was found, with the key to the chapel. Finally, inside the chapel, Kanon's body was found with his master key and the key to the first floor parlor, which closed the circle.

! Red Truths !

[red]"There are five, one for each servant."[/red] (Used by Beatrice in Chapter 9: Skirmish. It refers to the master keys in this game.)
[red]"Furthermore, all of the doors and windows in the 6 rooms are normal."[/red] (The six rooms in this statement refers to the parlor, the chapel, the boiler room, the VIP room, the waiting room, and the guest room.)
[red]"No device exists which can lock them without a key, such as an auto-lock."[/red]
[red]"6 people: Kinzo, Genji, Shannon, Kanon, Gohda, and Kumasawa are dead!"[/red]
[red]"There is no one hiding in the six rooms!"[/red]
[red]"The six people died instantly!"[/red]
[red]"Only the victims are inside the rooms, and no other people exist inside the rooms."[/red] (Used by Ronove.)
[red]"The six people were not killed by traps"[/red] (Used by Beatrice.)
[red]"None of the six people committed suicide!"[/red]
[red]"All five master keys were discovered, each in the pocket of one of the servants!"[/red] (This is referring to the first twilight of Episode 3.)
[red]"The individual keys were found inside envelopes alongside the corpses!"[/red]
[red]"In short, all keys related to the linked closed rooms were locked inside the linked closed rooms!!"[/red]
[red]"The keys cannot be returned from outside the room using the crack of the door, the crack of the window, vents or any place of the sort!!"[/red]
[red]"All of them had wounds resembling gunshot wounds which became fatal!"[/red]
[red]"It is impossible for the murder to have taken place from outside the room!!"[/red]
[red]"I shall say more with the red! When the five other than Kinzo were murdered, the murderer was definitely in the same room!"[/red]
[red]"I already proclaimed in red at the time that there were no suicides!!"[/red]

-Explanation:

Its trick was relatively simple to figure out once one takes the sequence of the rooms into account, namely that there was only one order they could be opened. The chain had to start with the first floor parlor, as it was the only room which had windows that could be reached from the outside. After Shannon's (fake) corpse was found inside, the adults had moved on the the next room. Notice the sequence: first floor, second floor, third floor, second floor, basement. Because of this, they had to spend a considerable amount of time moving from place to place, and after they left the parlor, it stopped being a closed room because of the broken window. Thus Shannon got up, left the room through said window, changed into Kanon and entered the chapel, all the while the adults kept running around in the mansion, giving her ample time to do so. The chapel door was, once again, open from the beginning, so she just had to enter, close the door behind her and then fake Kanon's death.

To be continued in "Part 2/4"

[Anonymous No.]

>>15588227
"Episode 3: Banquet of the Golden Witch" Explained - Part 2 out of 4

>The Gold:

In this episode, Eva apparently solved the Epitaph and found the hidden room on the island with the gold. It is established for sure that the VIP room and the gold is real. Also, Eva's train of thought falls exactly in line with the official explanation of the riddle, therefore it is fairly sure that she really did find the gold.

>2nd Twilight:

Maria and Rosa's corpses were found in the rose garden. Rosa's body was on the fence, with her medulla oblongata skewered by a pointy ornament on the fence (for the less medically inclined, the medulla oblongata is the area where the brain and the spinal cord connect to each other, stabbing through here is more or less 100% fatal, it's literally stabbing into the brain itself through the hole at the bottom of the skull). Maria was apparently strangled barehanded.

! Red Truths !
[red]"Rosa and Maria died"[/red] (Used by Beatrice in Chapter 13: Warning of Sacrifices.)
[red]"The cause of death was as Nanjo diagnosed"[/red] (The diagnosis for Maria and Rosa were bare handed strangling and a stab to the medulla oblongata with the pointed gate of the fence, respectively.)
[red]"Rosa and Maria were killed by other people"[/red] (Used by Ronove in Beatrice's stead.)
[red]"I was in the room the whole time"[/red] (Used by Ushiromiya Hideyoshi in EVA-Beatrice's stead in Chapter 17: The Witch's Courtroom. The room is referring to the guest house second (sic!) floor room.)
[red]"Both before and after the time period of the crime"[/red]

-Explanation:
Eva spells out what happened. The culprit attacked Rosa, she fell back and accidentally skewered her head on the fence. The witness, Maria, was killed via strangling because the guest house was too close and the culprit wanted to avoid firing a gun and gain the adults' attention. As for who the culprit was, Eva is the obvious answer.

We were shown that she had a meta-event during the murders ("dreaming" about the death of the two), only Hideyoshi was providing her alibi, and she could easily get out through the window and get back unnoticed (the Umineko Wiki's red truth page is mistaken in #4 when referring to this twilight, as Hideyoshi's and Eva's room was actually on the 1st floor).

The reason why Eva attacked Rosa was probably because of her paranoid mistrust of her telling the siblings about the gold. It is also quite possible that at least Rosa's death was accidental, as in Eva only tried to get the gun from Rosa, who then slipped and accidentally hit her head the worst way possible. After this things just spiraled out of control by themselves.

Also note the change in modus operandi: This is the first time the stakes weren't involved in a twilight past the first one, which is also a clue about there being a different culprit.

Also, if we try to incorporate the meta-even into the explanation, it is possible that Maria was actually strangled by Yasu instead of Eva, though it makes little difference either way.

>4th, 5th and 6th Twilights:

The bodies of Rudolf, Kyrie and Hideyoshi were found in the hall of the mansion, with the usual staking pattern, after they volunteered to go there and get food.

! Red Truths !
[red]"Kyrie was thinking that food was unnecessary"[/red] (Used by EVA-Beatrice. The scenario in question is the event where Rudolf, Kyrie, and Hideyoshi went outside to get food.)
[red]"she claimed that they should not leave the guesthouse"[/red]
[red]"[And yet, she herself] suggested that they leave the guesthouse to get food"[/red]
[red]"the reason she changed her mind was not told to anyone, nor was it written down"[/red]
[red]"Until the last instant before she died, Kyrie preserved her pattern of behavior which states 'not going to get food=not going to the mansion'"[/red]
[red]"Kyrie did not leave anything written down"[/red]

-Explanation:
The murders were committed by Eva, possibly with the help of Yasu. Eva could freely exit her room through the window in her room in the guest house and enter the mansion through the parlor's broken window. It also isn't wholly unthinkable that the victims were killed elsewhere and were hauled into the hall later, explaining their disheveled clothes. The stakes were drilled into their bullet holes postmortem by Yasu, as usual.

The reason why Kyrie and Rudlof wanted to get out was because they suspected that Hideyoshi was covering for Eva and wanted to detain and question him (explaining #1-3). Eva killed the two to cover her tracks.

Hideyoshi is a special case, as it is assumed that Kyrie, who didn't receive a fatal wound, tried to shoot Eva, but Hideyoshi shielded her. However, he didn't die instantly, so Eva returned to the guest house and rushed everyone to the crime scene to save him (note that she specifically requested Nanjo to come along), but by the time they got there Yasu had already done the stakings and thus killed Hideyoshi for good.

To be Continued in "Part 3/4"

[Anonymous No.]

>>15588260
"Episode 3: Banquet of the Golden Witch" Explained - Part 3 out of 4

>7th and 8th Twilights:

Krauss and Natsuhi had disappeared from the lobby, apparently during the few minutes while Eva was away in the bathroom. Their bodies were found under the arbor in the rose garden. The cause of death was strangulation by wire and they had the usual staking.

-Explanation:
It was actually noted that Eva made coffee for everyone, allowing her to drug them with sleeping pills (which could have come from either Rosa, since it was shown she had 'tantrum pills' for Maria, or Nanjo). Note that the cousins who had from the same coffee also fell asleep. Once the two had fallen unconscious Eva strangled them and dragged them outside.

#Special Circumstances
Again, the staking was done postmortem by Yasu.

>George's Death:

George disappeared from the guest house at the same time as Krauss and Natsuhi. His body was found in the mansion's parlor, with the numbers 07151129 freshly written on the locked door.

! Red Truths !
[red]"George did not go down the stairs of the guest house."[/red] (This is referring to George's disappearance from the guest house in Episode 3.)
[red]"All windows and doors leading to the outside were locked from the inside."[/red]
[red]"Furthermore, it is impossible to lock any of those from outside!"[/red]

-Explanation:
Tricky wording. George really didn't "go" down the stairs, he was carried down by Yasu while still unconscious during the time Eva was hauling the bodies of Krauss and Natsuhi out to the arbor.

She then took him back to the parlor where he was killed.

Since Eva doesn't call Shannon out on the murder in the parlor, it is safe to assume that while Eva probably met Yasu when she discovered the gold, she doesn't know about Yasu's alternate identities.

The number on the door has two different significances. If you break it up into two parts, as 0715 and 1129, it creates two dates, Battler's birthday (July 15th) and the day Shannon solved the epitaph (November 29th), linking the two. However, as it is later revealed, it is also the pin-code of the safes that were sent to the families of the victims as "compensation".

>Eva and Yasu:

I hereby present my case of why Yasu and Eva worked together but Eva was unaware of Yasu also being Shannon and Kanon by logical order:

-George's body was found in the parlor alongside with Shannon's.
-Eva adored her son and would not have killed him, no matter how unhinged she got.
-Therefore the only person who could have killed George was Yasu.
-If Eva knew Yasu was Shannon, she would have shot her on the spot in retaliation. She didn't, therefore she didn't know.

However, she had to know Yasu, as:

-She had to enter the mansion to follow after Rudolf, Kyrie and Hideyoshi.
-If she entered through the parlor window, the only place that required no key or a helper on the inside, she would have discovered that Shannon's corpse was missing.
-She did not discover that as per deduced above, therefore she didn't enter there, nor did she have a key to the mansion.
-Therefore Eva had an inside helper.
-The only person unaccounted for who could do this was Yasu.

Conclusion:

Yasu and Eva were working together, however Eva didn't know about Yasu being Shannon and Yasu was also following her own objectives on her own (see the staking of Hideyoshi and the murder of George).

[Anonymous No.]

>>15588277
"Episode 3: Banquet of the Golden Witch" Explained - Part 4 out of 4

>Nanjo's and Jessica's Death:

Nanjo was killed in the servants' room, the blinded Jessica somehow escaped to the parlor.

! Red Truths !
(Holy hell, that's a lot of red... -.-')
[red]"After Jessica was injured, Eva was always under Battler's supervision."[/red] (From this point on, all the remaining red text in this game refer to this current scenario.)
[red]"Battler is neither the culprit nor an accomplice."[/red]
[red]"By this, we can establish a perfect alibi for Eva"[/red]
[red]"There are no more than 18 people on this island"[/red]
[red]"No life forms other than humans have any connection to this game"[/red]
[red]"Kinzo is dead, Krauss is dead, Natsuhi is dead, Hideyoshi is dead, George is dead, Rudolf is dead, Kyrie is dead, Rosa is dead, Maria is dead, Genji is dead, Shannon is dead, Kanon is dead, Gohda is dead, Kumasawa is dead, Nanjo is dead"[/red]
[red]"The 15 people mentioned are dead"[/red]
[red]"Battler is alive"[/red]
[red]"Eva is alive"[/red]
[red]"Jessica is alive"[/red]
[red]"Eva was with you the whole time."[/red]
[red]"So committing a crime was impossible for her."[/red]
[red]"Of course, Battler-kun isn't the culprit."[/red]
[red]"He wasn't forging an alibi for her, and he took the possibility that she was the culprit into account, watching her actions carefully."[/red]
[red]"No chance existed for her to do anything suspicious!"[/red]
[red]"In short, at the time of the crime, only Nanjo and Jessica were in the servants' room"[/red]
[red]"Ushiromiya Jessica has not committed murder"[/red]
[red]"She was not involved with Nanjo's murder"[/red]
[red]"Her eyes were completely blocked."[/red]
[red]"It's impossible for her to carry out a murder like that"[/red]
[red]"Neither Eva nor Battler killed Nanjo, nor were they involved"[/red]
[red]"The culprit who killed Nanjo was neither Battler nor Eva nor Jessica"[/red]
[red]"Jessica's eyes were completely blocked, and murder was impossible for her"[/red] (This is in response to Battler's statement about Jessica having multiple personalities.)
[red]"No actions caused by Jessica's body had any relation to or influence on the murder of Nanjo"[/red]
[red]"This also applies to Battler and Eva"[/red]
[red]"neither Jessica nor Battler nor Eva is the culprit who killed Nanjo"[/red]
[red]"Nanjo was killed by another person"[/red]
[red]"Of course, it was with a direct method of murder, not a trap"[/red]
[red]"A weapon was readied, and he was killed with it from point-blank range in front of him!"[/red]
[red]"The culprit appeared openly before Nanjo's eyes, and as they both looked at each other's faces, the culprit killed him. The red only tells the truth"[/red]
[red]"Absolutely no factors other than humans participate in this game board"[/red] (This is in response to any factor such as animals or robots that might have been involved.)
[red]"The one who killed Nanjo was definitely a human"[/red]
[red]"A human, with their feet on the ground, held up a weapon and killed with it!"[/red]
[red]"Right before his eyes!"[/red]

-Explanation:
One word: Yasu. She shot Nanjo (from outside the room, thus fulfilling #16), then led Jessica to the parlor while acting as Kanon, so her existence simply sidesteps the entire mountain of red truths.

It's actually a little hilarious that #31 pretty much denies witches, but Battler is so caught up in the apparent logical error that he doesn't even notice it.

END OF EPISODE 3

[Anonymous No.]

>>15588260
A correction regarding Kyrie and Rudolf's deaths. They were killed by Hideyoshi

[Anonymous No.]

I love umineko!

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>>15585468
When the Owls Cry anon, we've been over this.

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>>15588260
That explanation for Kyrie trio's deaths doesn't feel right. They wanted to question Hideyoshi, so they took him outside of the mansion? Why would Kyrie, of all people, risk so much for literally no gain?

Not only did she risk being killed by a different culprit if Eva was innocent, but she actually made it easier for Eva to murder her without any witnesses. She should be questioning Hideyoshi with as many witnesses as possible, or else take him to a corner of the guesthouse that's out of earshot for talking but not gunfire.

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>>15588530
It's in fact kinda outdated at some points (Ryukishi gave us a hand with the manga and that interview book containing our confession). As soon as I finish covering all the mysteries (EP1 through 6), feel free to update the text as you please, anons.

EP 4 coming soon.

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>>15588295

Before saying anything, this is by far the most outdated episode of them all (since the manga showed us that there were SO MANY things hidden in the VN, including the direct relation between EP 4 and EP7). Keep in mind that when this was made, people in the fanbase weren't completely aware of the whole meta-thing with Tohya, and how things turned out to be with the "forgery" plot point.

I feel like this will have quite a few corrections from you guys.

Here we go.

"Episode 4: Alliance of the Golden Witch" Explained - Part 1 out of 4

Oh boy, this is a weird one. This episode not only has the ridiculously long and multi-layered Ange and Maria subplots, which take up as much if not more screen time than the actual "game" without providing actual clues to the murder mysteries in question (though they do nudge the reader towards a certain mindset that helps in uncovering the overarching mystery), this is also an episode where EVERYONE aside of the cousins are in cahoots with Yasu to some degree. Add to that the fact that this was the first chapter where the Blue Truth appeared to complicate the solutions (in addition to a reduced number of case-relevant Red Truths), and you can clearly see why it took me so long to resolve myself to actually replay this episode and write this. Oh well, I might as well get started...

>Culprits:

-Yasu (Killer.)
-Krauss (Primary accomplice.)
-Kyrie (Primary accomplice.)
-Godha (Accomplice.)
-Kumasawa (Accomplice.)
-Jessica (Accomplice.)
-Everyone else beside Battler and George (Passive Accomplice)

Krauss and Kyrie play along believing that they are playing a murder mystery game aimed at Battler. The rest of the adults and the servants are the same, though less involved. The instigator is Yasu who bribes them, along the servants and everyone else, but Krauss and Kyrie are the two who work closely with her and talk to the cousins repeatedly.

On the other hand the accomplices are separated and mostly left in the dark regarding what Yasu is actually doing and probably none of them are aware of the murders until they get killed off as well.

Also, while I don't find it necessary myself, there are compelling arguments pointing at the possibility of Yasu using the threat of the bomb set up under Rokkenjima as a sort of "Insurance Policy" to make sure that at least her most important accomplices (namely Krauss and Kyrie) would stay in line.

Since this episode barely focuses on the actual murders and even the order in which people died is questionable, I will attempt to first construct an independent timeline instead of going through the usual Twilights.

>Character Death Reconstruction:

This episode was especially hard to crack because it has less Red Truths than even EP1! Yes, the episode that didn't even have the Red Truth invented yet has more of it retroactively because of the later episodes then the last episode of the first tetralogy. Go figure...

The only solid thing we know about the order of the deaths was that Kanon was the 9th, courtesy of these Red Truths.

! Red Truth !
[red]"Among the five people in Kyrie's group, he was the first to die."[/red]
[red]"In short, he was the 9th victim."[/red]

There are two ways this could be possible: Either the six First Twilighters + Jessica and George, or the six First Twilighters + Gohda and Kumasawa had to die before Kanon. In my opinion it's the latter. My reasoning is as follows:

It has to start with the six people in the dining hall, otherwise we wouldn't have our target number of 9th.

If after that she were to kill one of the cousins, it's safe to assume that she would have had to "kill" the persona relating to them. Therefore if she were to kill George for 7th, then Shannon would have been "killed" as well, which would contradict #1. However, if she were to kill Jessica first and then "kill" Kanon, then he would have been the 8th at best. I would also argue that killing off the relevant persona would happen -before- the cousin in question is killed, for obvious reasons.

Therefore the only way both Red Truths could be fulfilled if there were two separate deaths (aka. Gohda and Kumasawa) that would add up to the required 8, so that when Yasu would "kill" Kanon and Shannon in preparation of killing the two cousins they would become the 9th and the 10th.

To be continued in "Part 2/4"

[Anonymous No.]

>>15588645

"Episode 4: Alliance of the Golden Witch" Explained - Part 2 out of 4

>Events:

Now, for the actual timeline:

-Eva, Rudolph, Rosa, Hideyoshi, Natsuhi and Genji are killed in the dining hall. This probably happens -after- the second phone call by Kyrie requesting that Gohda and Kumasawa would be locked up. Yasu leaves under the guise of letting Kumasawa and Gohda out of the shed but instead she uses the opportunity to go to the dining hall first and kills the people there and then smashes their heads.

-After this she goes to the shed. Gohda gives her the key through the small window, believing that it is still part of the game, but when she opens the shutter she kills them both. Afterwards she props up the bodies as if they were hanged so that when she locks the shutter from the outside she could use a long rod or some other method to easily return the key to the pocket of the now standing Gohda through the window, thus creating a locked room.

-After this point she returns to Kyrie and co. to deliver the next call regarding "Kinzo's test" and then discards Kanon and Shannon, thus "killing" them (Fulfilling #1-2)

-After this she meets up with George and shoots him in the head.

-She then goes to meet with Jessica and convinces her that the entire thing was just a game (alternatively she is informed of the existence of the bomb and threatened into playing along, however I once again find the threat unnecessary). Jessica plays along, calls Battler and gives him information that she should not have, like that George was also dead or that she would die from a head wound. After the call is over Yasu shoots and then smashes her head open.

-She returns to the mansion where Krauss, Kyrie and Nanjo are non the wiser. She tells them that George and Jessica also agreed to play along and hid themselves. Kyrie then delivers the final phone call, after which Yasu kills them and moves the bodies to their final locations/sets up the crime scenes to match Kyrie's description.

-When Battler doesn't remember his "sin", Yasu sets the bomb, goes to the well next to Nanjo's corpse and uses the same trick as in EP2: She ties something heavy to the gun with a string, which is then lowered into the well. She then commits suicide and then the weight pulls the gun down into the well where it cannot be discovered. Note that the well has iron bars on it that cannot be opened at all (probably built into the concrete) just big enough for a handgun to fall through but not big enough for a person, meaning there is no way to get in or out of the well.

-Maria was poisoned and laid to rest in the time between Battler moving over to the chapel and returning with the keys. By the time he enters the mansion Yasu had long since left through the back door.

-Battler was killed by the bomb Yasu set up in advance that blew up the entire mansion, thus explaining all the final Red Truths of the episode regarding to Beatrice killing Battler.

And now the rest of the mysteries and questionable events:

>Maria's umbrella:

Maria claims that Kinzo gave her an umbrella when she was out in the rain in the rose garden.

-Explanation:
It was probably Krauss in disguise. He dressed up as Kinzo and acted like him in order to create a witness and thus throw the other siblings off-balance after the previous arguments over whether Kinzo was alive. It is quite possible that this was the moment where Yasu and Krauss first meet eye to eye (since usually this is the point where she would give Maria the letter of challenge) and where Yasu gives him her offer.

>The Family Conference:

Instead of Kinzo, it is Yasu that shows up at the conference and bribes the family and the servants to play along with her game in exchange for the gold. No one is killed at this point in time.

They all get the same basic cover story explained to them so that there would be no inconsistencies. Gohda and Kumasawa leave for the guest house to tell the cousins about the "events". It is so that they would not move to the mansion and discover the "deception".

In the meantime Krauss, Kyrie, Nanjo and Yasu leave for the chamber with the gold to prove her claim. These three are going because:

a.: Krauss is the eldest of the siblings and its his house, not to mention he is the one who first made contact with Yasu, so he is there to make sure she is telling the truth.

b.: Kyrie is there as the trusted representative of the rest of the siblings, and she is there to later talk to Battler in particular.

c.: Nanjo is there as a neutral third party to oversee the discovery of the gold and the later events.

The rest stays there to discuss what they were going to be doing with the money and whatnot.

After the confirmation of the gold (and the possible revelation of the bomb) the same group goes to a separate room to call the cousins as per Yasu instructs them.

To be Continued in "Part 3/4"

[Anonymous No.]

>>15588670

"Episode 4: Alliance of the Golden Witch" Explained - Part 3 out of 4

>The First Phone Call:

Krauss, Kyrie, Shannon, Kanon and Nanjo are locked in a "dungeon" from where they manage to call the cousins through the internal phone.

-Explanation:
This is the scene that makes it blatantly obvious that the entire group in the nonexistent dungeon (plus the two servants in the guest house) are in cahoots with Yasu. The call is only there to force the cousins to stay in the guest house so that they wouldn't interfere with their plans, which as far as Krauss and Kyrie knew was just some eccentric but innocent murder-mystery game for Battler.

>The Second Phone Call:

"Kinzo" orders the cousins to lock Gohda and and Kumasawa up in the gardening shed.

Explanation:
The servants are separated from the cousins for several reasons. First of all, it's so that they wouldn't accidentally spill the beans. Also, by locking them in the shed, Yasu created the circumstances for another closed room murder for later. Kumasawa and Gohda don't put up any resistance against locked outside because they believe this is also part of the "game".

>"Kinzo's" test:

The cousins are told to go to certain locations one at the time. Jessica has to go to her room. Later Shannon calls George and tells him to go to the arbor in the rose garden. They are given three choices: Sacrifice themselves, sacrifice their loved one (Kanon and Shannon, respectively), or sacrifice everyone else on the island. (BTW, in my humble opinion this is one of the most badass series of scenes in the entire series :3 Sometimes I wonder why Ryukishi doesn't write battle shounen. It would be fourteen different flavors of awesome. :3)

-Explanation:
Big surprise: the entire thing was a meta-event, including the choices. In reality Yasu convinced Jessica about the "game" in order to deceive Battler. George was killed either right before or right after this. All the badass meta-events are sadly completely fictional without even a grain of truth.

>Jessica's Phone Call:

After the "test", Jessica calls Battler in the guest house and tells him that his opponents are demons and witches. She also claims that Battler's test will be the "resurrected Beatrice".

-Explanation:
Jessica, believing that this was part of the game, gives the account that Yasu (probably dressed as Kanon) gave her. Then, when the call was over, Yasu shoots her in the head and locks the door from the outside with her master key to create a simple closed room murder.

>Kyrie's Phone Call:

Kyrie, the only "survivor" who "escaped" the "dungeon" calls Battler and tells him about what "happened", including Kinzo's appearance, the demons, witches and everything else. She asks whether George and Jessica are alive and she too references the epitaph. In the end she directly tells Battler to believe in the existence of witches.

Explanation:
Once again, Yasu gives the instructions to the oblivious Kyrie who then acts them out in the phone. Once the call is over, she shoots her and then shoots four more holes to the locations where she said the "Golden Thread" was shot.

To be Continued in "Part 4/4"

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>>15588677

"Episode 4: Alliance of the Golden Witch" Explained - Part 4 out of 4

>The Phone Call After Battler Leaves:

Maria receives a call just after Battler leaves the room. When he returns and takes the call, Maria leaves to take her test while Battler has a conversation with Beatrice.

Explanation:
Yasu in the flesh. Duh.

>Battler Meeting Beatrice:

Battler goes to the entrance of the mansion for his "test" and there he meets Beatrice, who looks down on him from a balcony. After some verbal sparring she demands that Battler remember a sin he committed six years ago.

! Red Truths !
[red]"Six years ago for me, no person called Beatrice existed."[/red] (Used by Beatrice and repeated by Battler in Chapter 17: Cause of the Tragedy.)
[red]"The sin I am now demanding that you remember is not between Ushiromiya Battler and Beatrice."[/red]
[red]"Ushiromiya Battler has a sin"[/red]
[red]"Because of your sin, people die."[/red]
[red]"Due to your sin, a great many humans on this island die."[/red]
[red]"No one escapes, all die."[/red]

-Explanation:
The meeting really did happen, but the dialog playing out is fictional, as there are just too many references to the events in the players' realm. Beatrice asking for Battler to remember and repent for his "sin" is Yasu's last gambit for making Battler remember her and his promise from six years ago.

Aside of the Red Truths, there is one very interesting detail: when Battler demands a Red Truth regarding that Battler's presence is the trigger that caused the massacre, Beatrice refuses to provide one. This is in line with the idea that Yasu has been planning this for as while (as shown by the blown up shrine (which was the test-run for the bomb that later destroys the entire mansion) and the reparation-letters sent out in advance (which had to have extensive preparation, like putting billions of yen into the safes, creating the cards and mailing them)), and Battler's return only changed the execution, namely the convoluted mystery-novel style murders instead of just killing everyone and being done with it.

The final part of the scene is also very indicative of Yasu: The gameboard Beatrice gives up after Battler declares that he remembers no sin and Meta-Beato "takes over" for her.

>Ange at the Hill:

In 1998, Ange is confronted by Kasumi and her guards at the hilltop near Kuwadorian on Rokkenjima. In the end she "summons" the Seven Sisters to deal with them.

-Explanation:
It was established that Amakusha had a big, heavy rifle-case on the boat and that he was not with Ange at the hill. He was probably at a nearby hilltop, sniping with a high-caliber rifle at Ange's attackers, and Ange just painted over the events with her "magic" (read: imagination, delusion, mindset, self-deception... Magic is a LOT of things in this series...)

END OF EPISODE 4

[Anonymous No.]

>>15588645
>the direct relation between EP 4 and EP7
What was this again?

[Anonymous No.]

And that was it for today, tomorrow I'm gonna cover the rest of the Episodes.

See ya all later.

>>15588691

The whole deal with Eva's diary and Tohya's memories of that day.

EP4 are Battler's vision of the Rokkenjima Incident, while EP 7 is the shit that went don't and he missed during the same day (two faces of the same coin).

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>>15588702
>don't

Down*

Sorry for the typo.

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>>15588702
>EP4 are Battler's vision of the Rokkenjima Incident
Do you mean Episode 3?

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>>15588746
No, he actually meant Episode 4. Episode 3 is a forgery containing Tohya's memories, but also a conspirative theory that Eva could be the culprit behind the whole incident. That made Eva come to them after the publication and clarify the circunstances (which is why Eva's Diary was with Ikuko in the first place). That said, Episode 4 was made. Episode 7 is more of an interpretation of Eva's Diary made by Ikuko, but never published. Episode 8 well, was the whole thing altogether.

It would take time to explain, you might as well re-read either the VN or read the manga.

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Something that's important to note is that they only wrote Banquet because Tohya felt guilty about being the cause of the incident. They already knew more or less what happened, since Ikuko found the Confession bottle that Yasu wrote earlier.

Tohya really did think that Eva was the culprit though, since he never saw her corpse

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>>15588686
what about the motive? is that explained by him?

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>>15577743

>small bombs actually ended up being the truth

Is this the biggest troll in history?

[Anonymous No.]

>Yen Press changed Beato's Engrish to French
>not Italian
Wasted opportunity

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>>15589016
The motive is always the same for all of the cases.

The info is spread through the whole VN + more explicitly in EP 7. Either re-read or just go directly to the Confession of the Golden Witch session of the EP8 Manga (pretty much the most explicit answer ever, for your question).

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>>15589228
What?!
...I hope they changed Battler's "See you again" to French, or they missed the whole point.

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>>15589321
They didn't, they changed it to Spanish and probably also a Terminator reference

It makes a bit more sense in the context of the manga though. The scene is much shorter than the in VN, so the part where Beato says that English is Battler's speciality wasn't there to begin with. It's still kind of strange that she suddenly starts speaking French for no reason though

[Anonymous No.]

This is your date tonight

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>>15589415
did she die the death

[Anonymous No.]

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>>15589470
That was a really cool attack in the fighting game

[Anonymous No.]

>>15589474

[Anonymous No.]

okokok yoyo dawgs which century are we getting all the manga episodes in english?

[Anonymous No.]

In printed, licensed release I mean

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>>15589384
Seems to happen fairly often in the manga... They don't include a line that had some hidden significance, even though they easily could have without taking much space. Makes you wonder just how closely Ryuukishi gave the manga authors the answer... Would it even have been possible for him to tell them every little detail, when he had other projects going on at the time?

[Anonymous No.]

Holy shit I'm at page 9 of Sakutaro, To Mt. Purgatory and I'm already at the verge of crying

I know what's going to happen

[Anonymous No.]

>>15589486
>>15589492
It's already confirmed that volume 2 of Episode 6 will be released in September, and volume 3 in January

Episode 6 has 6 volumes, and they split it into 3, since their volumes are longer

Episode 7 and 8 are both 9 volumes long, so each of them should get 4 volumes. At that rate, it will take a few more years

[Anonymous No.]

>>15589517
sauce?

I don't even know who's selling them

[Anonymous No.]

>>15589508
I'm pretty sure he told them everything, especially the ones that made Episode 7 and 8. There are even some extra hints added in the other Episodes, like the one I posted earlier:

>>15588050
The line about them arranging a story beforehand wasn't in the VN

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>>15589546
https://www.amazon.com/Umineko-WHEN-THEY-CRY-Episode/dp/031634589X/ref=pd_sim_14_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=T53QBKPGQC2XH6KM3G3X

https://www.amazon.com/Umineko-WHEN-THEY-CRY-Episode/dp/0316345903/ref=pd_sim_14_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=E2CZW5KVK0F78S4A7344

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>>15589553
So $320 for the whole series, sounds okay by me

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>>15589548
True, though to be fair, that particular part isn't hard to guess. It's sort of the only explanation unless magic is real.

Anyway, even if he told them several specific answers, there could still be a hundred lines whose full meaning isn't obvious and that he didn't have time to solve for them directly.

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>>15589508
>when he had other projects going on at the time?
Ryukishi is insane, so I doubt that matters. Just this year he's been writing TRT, Hotarubi, Iwaihime, a new original manga that hasn't started yet, a short story for the new release of Rose Guns Days and a bonus VN that will be included in one of the Rewrite blu-rays

And there's also Country Girl and the Iwaihime manga if adaptations count

I honestly hope he doesn't work himself to death

[Anonymous No.]

We're going through threads like it's going out of style. It's nice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15578600
I'm glad to hear there's hope. Keep on fighting the good fight.
Did you know Babadook was a metaphor for depression?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15589602
Yeah, things are more alive since the new art was annonce. At least now it's more interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15589601
Yeah, but he also said he thought he'd never be able to write a series like Umineko again. In his note in the first volume of the EP8 manga, he basically said "VN readers, I'm begging you to read everything again and try to solve it. Manga readers, read on and enjoy!"

Why would he say that unless the manga isn't solvable by itself?

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>>15589508
I don't know about the other artists, but in one of Episode 1's author notes, Kei Natsumi wrote that Ryukishi and BT checked all of her drafts before they were published, so they were probably pretty closely involved.

I don't think it would have been possible to include all the lines with hidden meanings though, since there are so many of them

[Anonymous No.]

>>15588227
Thanks for posting these, Anon. Do you have a blog where you post this stuff?
I'm saving it all in a word doc so I can use it for reference but the formatting is a pain.

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>>15589643
If he's checking over the drafts, that could mean that most of the work is done, so there's a limit to how many things he can subtlety alter, or it could mean there's a lot more to be done, in which case minor things could be added/removed after he looks at it, without him even knowing.

To really make every part of Umi solvable, he'd need to either provide them with a full, detailed script that can't be changed, or he'd have to be there for multiple stages of the process, capable of making pretty drastic changes multiple times, potentially.

Just saying that it wouldn't take much for things to get missed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15589624
I think the manga is solvable by itself. It's probably harder than solving the VN, but I still think it's possible

It's not like the manga skips anything major. Most of the scenes are still there, even though they're often a bit shorter, and none of the red truths are cut as far as I know.

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>>15589691
Hm, like, these are the notes of a certain goat fellow in the vndb community named Gabezhul, not my own. He is one of the people that actually solve the whole thing before the manga was even out (just for the sake of curiosity, in a thread he also said he gave Umineko a 9/10 instead of a perfect 10 because it was too complicated to solve and that irritated him profoundly, since he had to re-read a lot of stuff lol).

There was a site where he published them, and I was one of the people that spread it for everyone having difficulties on solving before the manga came out.

The site is now gone, but I had a back up of the content (I literally have the whole site in a folder on my PC).

I'm pretty much reposting it in here with some different structure (to fit 4chan well), but, as I explained, the info is now kinda outdated.

I would reccomend you to wait a bit until the other anons point out all of the inconsistencies before putting it all in a .doc file.

I could redo the site too, but at the end, it's just text, so, why not just post in here, right?

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>>15589772
>There was a site where he published them
You mean VNDB? They're still there

https://vndb.org/t/v24
And the Chiru ones are here
https://vndb.org/t/v2153

[Anonymous No.]

>>15589772
Right, sounds like a good idea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15589772
So he solved it at the end of EP4?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15589792
Huh. I didn't know about this place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15589792

Nope, he had an actual site with all these things (vndb don't have all the info, iirc... I could be wrong however).

[Anonymous No.]

>>15589798
I meant the explicit part of the manga adaptation, sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15589826
then that's just summarizing lol

even Williard H. Wright summarized it all in EP7

[Anonymous No.]

>>15589643
>>15589725

Ryukishi only started working with the "storyboard" for the manga during Episode 3, iirc (there was a little comment from him on the magazine about that).

Before that, he didn't really had much contact with the whole thing directly, which is why some of the chapters had some heavy plot-holes at the beginning).

Episode 1 was the biggest victim of this, showing Shannon's corpse at the first twilight, just like the anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15589838
>That's just summarizing

Yup, that's pretty much the intention, anon.
Though summarizing and explaining Umineko is like writting a goddamn book at some point... but hey, I'm just trying to help people who gave up the gameboard in here.

Not everybody is brave enough to re-read 200 hours of text in order to understand the story.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15589840
I'm pretty sure that was intentional. The perspective it's shown from is clearly either Hideyoshi or Kanon's, not Battler's

Battler and George only stand by the enterence the whole scene, and George asks if she has the ring, just like in the VN, so he didn't look at it

[Anonymous No.]

>>15589862
Battler kinda looked at her in shock the page before this one though.

[Anonymous No.]

Why was Satoko never arrested (or whatever happens to underage criminals in Japan)? Her parents died and she was the main suspect, even if she is a kid, they should do something about kids who kill people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15589887
He was standing by the enterence, so Kanon and Hideyoshi were obstructing the view. In every angle shown from the enterence, Hideyoshi and Kanon are standing in front of her, making her corpse impossible to see. I'm still pretty sure it was intentional

Shannon's corpse is always either shown from the top, or from the back of the shed, where Battler couldn't see

[Anonymous No.]

>>15589908
Pretty sure kids do not get arrested in Japan.

In any case, the old village of Hinamisawa had their own policies that were independent of the state (which is also a plot point).

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>>15589950
Yeah, that's probably it, I'm just nitpicking at this point. Still weird they would show her face like that imo. It does make sense Ryukishi found the scene to be ok and approved it (otherwise he would need to explain th whole situation), but the approach in the VN is just better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15589966
It's the same concept as people seeing "magic". As Episode 8's manga says, lies that the accomplices agree on can be depicted as acually happening

[Anonymous No.]

If you think about it though, any visual medium is going to have problems with fake corpses that the detective actually witnesses. In a VN, they can just describe it vaguely, giving us Battler's impressions basically. In any other medium, they have to show us a picture, which we can stare at for hours and judge much better than Battler could in a panic.

EP1 Shannon is simpler, since we're basically just seeing what Battler imagines, since he doesn't know.

[Anonymous No.]

At least the manga's version of the scene is better than the anime, where George clearly looks at her hand

[Anonymous No.]

The anime, where the EP1 ST's door opens the wrong way and you can clearly see Eva's corpse through it...

At the very least, it proves Ryuukishi didn't have fine or even general control over some of the adaptations.

[Anonymous No.]

It is impossible to solve Umineko with only episode 1 without ridiculous or completely baseless leaps of faith, thus it is an unfair mystery.

[Anonymous No.]

https://discord.gg/hudRx

[Anonymous No.]

>>15590057
Umineko as a whole is one single huge mystery.

You are meant to be able to solve the mystery at the question arcs (which many people did, at Episode 3).

Episode 1 is just the introduction, and yet, it's actually solvable (even if barely).

Thus, it isn't unfair.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15590042
He "supervised" the anime as well, but I have a feeling that he just gave them a general outline or something.

I think they did know who the culprit was though, mostly because Shannon is facing the well when she dies at the end of Episode 4 (which is correct , since she killed herself over the grate) even though the VN doesn't specify that

[Anonymous No.]

>>15590068
EP1 is barely solvable "by itself", you mean.

And even more, for people to be able to solve so much way before the climax of this particular mystery is already being too much fair.

Not sure what people are finding unfair in here. Umineko is the mystery with the biggest ammount of foreshdowing and evidence I have ever seen (especially when you must consider everything as the work of a certain mastermind for all of the episodes).

[Anonymous No.]

>>15590076

I think he said that he told Beato's VA the truth so she could act it out properly, but nobody else, e.g. Shannon or Kanon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15590100
>nobody else
He said that Sayaka Ohara was the only voice actor he told, but he didn't say anything about the staff in general

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>>15590068
Well, that's the real question, isn't it? Has anyone ever tried posting a proof for EP1 all by itself, using no information from other EPs? With that restriction, there are parts of the official answer that I'd find very hard to swallow.

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>>15590099
Well, considering most of the people who read solved the mystery little before Episode 7 came with the answers (the main plot twist of Episode 6, that is), I think it is pretty much on point. Not too soon nor too late for them to solve imo

Only a few people solved it in the question arcs.

>>15590119
Didn't you read the post above? Umineko is one huge mystery, it isn't even meant to be solved at Episode 1.

Episode 1 is just a manuscript written in some paper and thrown at the sea for everyone to read (and the one reading is Tohya, which is why we have Battler's perspective at some points).

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>>15590133
Further adding, Umineko is a full analysis, deconstruction and reconstruction of the mystery genre per se.

You are reading it very incorrectly if you are actually not considering the whole picture to be the actual mystery story, but a small part of it.

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>>15590133
>>15590139

Umineko really isn't as 2deep4u as some people like to think it is. It's not some deep philosophical study that turns the mystery genre on its head. It's just a murder mystery cum somewhat bizarre love story with some allegory sprinkled on top.

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>>15590148
You say that, but I doubt you can name one nearly as complex.

Umineko is the very definition of the kind of stuff we consider to be 2deep4u material, to the point most of the people in here could only understand it much later (with the manga pointing out what they missed explicitly).

Also, the psychological aspect reminded me of this thread from vndb some time ago, starting with this comment:

https://vndb.org/t7823#16

Just saying that the conclusion was that the elements were actually all there (and then they went off-topic with some Higurashi and VN industry related stuff).

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>>15590168

You're mistaking convolution for complexity. Umineko is one of the longest, if not the longest work ever written, and yet the furthest it gets into psychology is Yasu's apparent split personality disorder, which is not exactly an original topic.

The fact that the story is hard to completely understand despite being over 200 hours long isn't indicative of being deep, it's just indicative of bad writing. And if Ryukishi were intentionally going for 2deep4u, which I don't think he was, he should be hanged, drawn, and quartered.

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>>15590201
>if not the longest work ever written
That's probably a stretch. Guin Saga, for instance, has over 130 novels, and is still ongoing

[Anonymous No.]

>>15590219

>The story centers around a mysterious warrior named Guin, an amnesiac with a leopard mask magically affixed to his head.
>137 volumes

sasuga nihon

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>>15590133
Umineko certainly would be fine if it wasn't solvable by EP1. And it's fine if Yasu didn't build it to be solvable with a single bottle.

But in the EP1 tea party, Ryuukishi challenges us, the reader, to solve all the puzzles so far. Why would he do that unless he thought you had enough information to solve them by then?

If some theoretical player was determined to do nothing else until he beat that EP1 Tea Party challenge, then he'd search for all eternity. Unless EP1 can be solved by itself.

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>>15590201
>understand despite being over 200 hours long isn't indicative of being deep, it's just indicative of bad writing
>Being long and complex means poorly written content
>because logic

HAHAHAHA
What's the logic behind that exactly?
It has been a long time since I read such bullshit.

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>>15590201
>You're mistaking convolution for complexity.

Except tons of foreshadowing are all there since the very beginning? And that is pretty much as well written as a mystery can possibly be? What are you even talking about, anon.

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>>15590258
> Ryuukishi challenges us, the reader, to solve all the puzzles so far

Uh, not at all?
Do you even read the messages by Ryukishi before each episode at the title screen?

He only says "all the pieces of evidence to solve the story were presented" at Chiru iirc

[Anonymous No.]

>>15590219
Never passed volume 68. The story became fairly slow after volume 44 or so (an believe me or not, the writing is actually fast paced all the time).

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>>15590286
But is it actually good? I imagine the author would run out of ideas after a while

[Anonymous No.]

>>15590300
It is, and has a quite solid lore up to that point.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is "human" capitalized sometimes in the new translation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15589444
Imagine her giving you a handjob with that metal arm and those eyes.
>This dick is FINISHED
>FINISHED FINISHED FINISHED FINISHED!
whiled rapidly stocking it furiously

>>15590036

Yeah but it actually brings up a problem. Namely a single red.
You can't have Shannon not existing in the shed while showing her hand and also rejecting the concept of body doubles.
If anything, the fact that her hand is there shows that there are two bodies.

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>>15590723
Goddammit DEEN! How did you fucked up so badly the Seacats adaptation...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15590737
Well to be fair, they had no idea where the story was going by that point. Chiru wasn't even out by that time if I remember correctly.

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>>15590749
I know, you are completely right about that.
But still... it's just frustrating to watch such a messy adaptation for a nice story like Seacats!

Which reminds me, wasn't ufotable tweeting some Erika stuff and deleting soon after? Or was that just a rumor?

Ufotable's Umineko could be pretty nice.

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>>15590723
It doesn't matter in the end, beacuse that red truth isn't even in the anime

They cut like half the red truths during the Tea Party. It's a fucking mess

[Anonymous No.]

>>15590770
It's fake. That being said, it's a very well made fake

[Anonymous No.]

>>15590770
>>15590781
Oh man, an Ufotable adaptation of the entirety of Umineko would be a dream come true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15590809
I'd prefer an adaptation of Higurashi, with the SoL intact.

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>>15590809
It's confirmed to get worked on right after Tsukihime Remake

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>>15590774
I just checked it myself, and wow

>Battler explains the First Twilight
>Then they jump straight to the Sixth
>They don't even mention Eva, Hideyoshi or Kanon
I get that they had limited time to fit everything, but that's just terrible

And Battler even mentions fake corpses as a possible explanation for the 6th, 7th and 8th, but Beatrice just ignores it

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>>15590875
>And Battler even mentions fake corpses as a possible explanation for the 6th, 7th and 8th, but Beatrice just ignores it
''Whatever Battler, I'd use a red to counter but this episode is short enough already so I won't even bother rebutting it''.

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>>15590883
But the strange thing is that he suggests simultaneous murder right after, without her saying anything. They could have easily inserted a red truth between these two lines, but I guess they just didn't care

[Anonymous No.]

If they ever remade Umineko, it really feels like they would have to do 50 minute episodes, only way I can see to fit the pacing right. Would take a shit load of budget probably.

[Anonymous No.]

Can some anon draw Bernkastel throwing up?

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>>15590900
Depends. If done by ufo, then they can manage it in a 8 movie series, in a similar fashion to how Kara No Kyoukai was made.
Of course that would imply they wouldn't be able to animate Chiru, but it's better to have quality than rushed quantity.

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>>15590907
Scratch the last part, I wasn't thinking straight

[Anonymous No.]

>>15590910
I don't think you were thinking at all.

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>>15590953
Considering each episode would require the minimum of 50 minutes, then there's nothing wrong with the starting part.
As for the second part, for some forsaken reason my brain thought questions arc was 8 episodes by itself
Sleep deprivation is not fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>15590953
Don't bully Anonymous.
>>15590960
Go to sleep, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

Does someone has a printscreen of that other thread were a certain anon gave us the numbers and details for a possibly good anime adaptation?

It was some weeks ago.

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>>15590168
If you ignore the novels written by Ikuko and Tohya, then the story isn't that big actually. It's just about a kid that was throw off a cliff as a baby, became a maid, fell in love with an asshole, he forgot her, she went full retart and blew up the island because of it.

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>>15590260
Quantity of words =/= quality

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>>15590989
The same goes vice versa (quantity of words =/= poor writing), and that's my point.

Don't put words in my mouth, you said the bullshit factor, I never said the more the words the better the content.

Do you even know just how many words the Twilight Saga has? And it's shit.

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>>15590971
I remember that, but can't find the thread anywhere.

He even wrote down the number of episodes, duration, how much text they would have to cover and why would it be impossible to do it properly without an "1-hour" per episode duration.

That was an interesting read.

[Anonymous No.]

WHAT THE FUCK

Just got to Chapter 7

Fucking Italian fascists? Really? REALLLY? Beatrice secret was that she was an Italian fascist. Jesus Christ.

Is this the Ushiromiya family secret? They have 10 tons of dirty gold? Seriously a good part of that gold is probably Holocaust gold. Or if not then looted from Russia, Greece etc and other places Italy/the Axis invaded.

If they ever revealed the gold, Israel/Greece/every Eastern Euro country would be jumping on them so fast Mossad wouldn't even have a chance.

AND WHY IS BEATRICE CALLING THE OTHER ITALIANS TRAITORS? Why is Kinzo/Willard giving a history lesson of the "Brave" Italians who never surrendered? They were Fascists. Ushiromiya money is based on goddamn Fascist looting and war plundering. Christ I hope they never make it out of October 6th, war profiteering assholes.

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>>15591011
Yeah, long novels can be good, but they can be bad. You can have 843493K words, but it all be bullshit with bad consistence, bad plot, bad characterization, etc. This is not the case for Umineko, but it's not perfect like some people paint it. And the romance between Yasu and Battler, which is kinda a focus, is badly written. I have a hard time believing it was so intense when it was just some 13 years old with a crush on a jerk.

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>>15591207
I think that's the point though. She never had any interactions with boys her age, so she over-romanticized how relationships work, since she probably only had novels and such to work off of. Most people would learn more about Battler and get disillusioned, or they'd make other friends and gradually forget about him. Yasu did neither, and ended up stuck in romance chuunibyo land for 6 years.

Once she'd invested 6 of the most important years of her life in it, it'd be really hard to just let it go, unless Battler shows up to either shatter her illusions or start making them real. That's why breaking his promise wouldn't have been a sin, if he'd just let Shannon know the answer.

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>>15591207
Umineko is not perfect, nothing is perfect. But as a mystery, it hits home quite closely.

Also, romantic interactions are subjective (some call Clannad a melodramatic piece of shit, others the extreme opposite), and, in my opinion, I see no bad writing in their relationship.

Yasu is a child who has no sexual organs, no identity, personality problems and got in love with Battler when he/she actually thought it was something significant (which, at least for him, it wasn't really all that).

Not only that, she/he was born from an incest (mental problems are there for a some other reason than his/her tragic accident as a baby).

Not only that, with all of her/his identity problems, she decided to give love a chance yet again with George. By that time, after all that delusional stuff happens and also Kanon's situation (her/his secure escapism), she/he end up solving the epitaph and it's revealed that everyone she/he fell in love with so far were all her blood related parents.

You call it shit writing, and I call it genius messed up situation leading to absolute despair.

To each his own...

>>15591227
Also, part of this is very correct too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15590148
>murder mystery cum

[Anonymous No.]

>Beatrice is the child of Facist incest

Not even through Chapter 7 and this is the wildest fucking ride I've ever had in a VN

[Anonymous No.]

>>15590971
>>/jp/thread/S15473773#p15475124

[Anonymous No.]

I took a short break from lewd edits to try and fix George.

[Anonymous No.]

>Corndog Battler promises Shanon something he quickly forgets
>The witches circlejerk over Shanon telling her that renouncing his family name is a sure sign of his commitment to her
>

I swear to GOD if the massacre happens because Beatrice got ass pain over Battler's promise I'm going to kill her if given the option

[Anonymous No.]

It's been a while, could someone jog my memory on this? Did Kinzo realise Shannon/Kanon was the child he forced onto Natsuhi?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15592150
At the very least he suspected it, and he confirmed that the child was alive right before he died.

[Anonymous No.]

Are they being serious right now

A thirteen year olds boner promise is why the massacre occurred? And from the sound of it, with Beatrice referring to "I", it was fucking Shanon who did all the killing.

This makes me feel nothing but hate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15590781
> very well made

That drawing looks damn bad for a supposed to be pro frame, even more for a ufotable one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15589838
>he's Eva, you're Eva, I'm Eva!
>are there any other Eva's I should know about?!
>happiness-of-marionette.mp3

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a list of Umineko chapters somewhere out there? I'm talking about the chapters you can pick to start reading from in the VN when you replay an Episode you've already finished.
Googling it only gives me a list of Umineko manga chapters.

[Anonymous No.]

Okay started to get convinced that this is one big hallucination designed to show some later truth

Maria created Beatrice's reality, named her demons, old fisher tales gave her the hatred of spiders, Shanon gave her a love of Battler, Kinzo gave her a role as witch of the island, Battler apparently gave her the idea of blond hair and Tits

She's just a compilations of hopes, a culmination of dreams...This stopped making sense when yasu said he/she wanted to be a witch. Something happened at that point, probably.

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>>15592272
Battler never promised her anything, she promised Shanon. Or at least, I think it was Shanon, we never were explicitly told in the flashback

WHO THE FUCK IS THIS. It's clearly not just an entity who just thinks it has love for Battler, because she can't distinguish the "I" promise.

God damn chapter 7 is just "Unreliable narrator- the chapter"

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>>15592288

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>>15592338
Thanks for the heads up filename. I'll check that out later on

[Anonymous No.]

>The one in Quadrillion hint is important

Holy shit I actually picked something out about that a few threads ago. Probably the closest I got to the Epitaph thing

[Anonymous No.]

YEP as I thought, some unreliable narrator stuff going on

This isn't Beatrice. Well not yet, the person in this picture, the first to solve the riddle, the person Genji walked in on, does not look like this. That's them projecting onto the memory. THIS is someone else. The true culprit and murderer

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>>15592366
Yep, she's getting it now. I suppose the delirium of 'ovehearing' Genji say Tawian as a hint was fake. I imagine Beatrice is either Kanon or Shanon, they were the only people to hear Genji say that. And Shanon likes to read mystery novels....Yeah it has to be Shanon, calling it now

[Anonymous No.]

>>15592379
Shit forgot to spoiler that image

Watch for that

[Anonymous No.]

I'm glad this anon is almost finished with reading Umineko. Maybe after that we'll be spared this nonsense. Still have no idea why he keeps doing this shit while all of us know full well he's read the series before.

[Anonymous No.]

>always done
>always done
>always done
>always done

>always done
>always done
>always done
>always done


NOT A WITCH CONFIRMED, DELUSIONAL BUTLER CONFIRMED, EAT SHIT WITCH THEORY

>>15592400
m8ty I honestly don't know the ending. The most spoiled I believe I've gotten is seeing Erika reaction images before she was introduced

[Anonymous No.]

>>15591236
>But as a mystery, it hits home quite closely
But I thought Ryuukishi called people who thought of Umineko as a mystery as Goats and that the actual focus of the story is Yasu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15592418
>The most spoiled I believe I've gotten is seeing Erika reaction images before she was introduced
What are your thoughts on her?

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>>15592432
Erika? Interesting character. I feel like the author personified fans he didn't like, gave them a character then kicked the living shit out of her.

Although if this does actually have a no magic ending, her existence is hard to explain..

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>>15592418
I don't believe you, and nothing you say will change that. And I know I'm not the only one here. Some people play along with you for the sake of conversation, but please don't fool yourself into believing that anyone here but a select few idiots actually believe you are experiencing Umineko for this first time.

I appreciate that you're trying to make the general more active, but you'e merely deceiving the anons in these threads. I'd much rather hear more from writer-anon to boost these threads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15592501
>I don't believe you, and nothing you say will change that
Right o senpai


>I'd much rather hear more from writer-anon to boost these threads.
You can have more then one thing happen in a thread.

[Anonymous No.]

What

None of the witch letters or Ange's universe had the mansion in rubble. How the fuck can this be possible

Did I miss something? Was this foreshadowed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15592150
Yes, he did. That's why he thought her how to shoot guns

[Anonymous No.]

>>15592541
As far back as the epilogue of the 1st episode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D64dqBbD7Q

[Anonymous No.]

>>15592553
>pieces of the children
Is that the hint? That they could only find pieces?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15592563
Pretty much. That and it always ended at midnight on the dot every time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15592541
God you're such an insufferable human garbage

[Anonymous No.]

>It's an Eva kills everyone episode



>>15592576
Huh. I mean, that's pretty vague. It could have been any number of things, but I guess it's kinda foreshadowing.

>>15592580
Your anger sustains me, anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>15592589
There's probably other hints about it that I can't recall, but I'm just repeating what someone pointed out earlier in the thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15592589
>eva literally killing everyone

And here I was joking before. Jesus Christ just how many times has she just killed everyone? This would be the second or third time? Behind Beatrice herself she's the best at this

[Anonymous No.]

>>15592602
Scratch that

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>>15591189
Speaking of which, do you guys think Kinzo and Beatrice were not as innocent as portrayed by Kinzo himself.

I'm specifically remembering the scene where Kinzo speaks of stealing the Italian gold (though it could be one of Bern's lies).

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[Anonymous No.]

>>15592662
Yasu asks Genji about it in the manga, and he doesn't say anything to refute it, so it's definitely possible

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>>15592662
It's called duality.
Which do you think is truthful, a story where Kinzo fell in love with Beatrice and everyone randomly died without either doing anything, or a story where Kinzo killed everyone, stole the gold, and chained Beatrice to his bed to be his concubine for the rest of her life?

The truth is somewhere in the middle.

I prefer the second one because it's kinkier.

[Anonymous No.]

I TAKE IT BACK IT TAKE IT BACK MAGIC IS REAL FUCK ANYTHING BUT THIS

Seriously though this is some exquisite character torture.

[Anonymous No.]

Man Higurashi sure did fuck Rika up something good

[Anonymous No.]

>>15592739
Yes, fuck Bernkastel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15592696
I mean, if your waifu fell on your lap and you suddenly became extremely wealthy, wouldn't you do the same thing as Kinzo?

[Anonymous No.]

I guess this confirms Shanon at this point. Shanon or Kanon but I'm guessing Shanon. Jesus fucking CHRIST this has gotten extremely dark

[Anonymous No.]

>>15592696
>>15592662
This what your looking for? Just got to it

[Anonymous No.]

Well that was...that

That Willard/Lion fight was pretty hype. Shame about that 'no probability of success' thing. Hopefully Battler works his magic in episode 8

[Anonymous No.]

>>15591984
>>>/jp/thread/S15473773#p15475124
Thanks!

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>>15592425
Hm, the goats represents our theories about the catbox, not ourselves, actually.

Umineko is a mystery + something more (which is the overall message of the work). Kinda like Higurashi (and Higanbana which is horror + something more, in that case... and pretty much everything he wrote really, he doesn't like to stick just in one genre).

[Anonymous No.]

...Wait a minute, didn't spoileranon just start EP5? Did he seriously have nothing to say about EP5, EP6 and most of EP7? Unless it's not the same guy, I'm calling shenanigans.

And he didn't mention Shkanon more-or-less confirmed after referring to them as two people? Bull-fucking-shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15593033
I got banned for a few days, so I couldn't post. Didn't stop me from playing through 5, 6 and 7 though.


>And he didn't mention Shkanon more-or-less confirmed after referring to them as two people?
What? I'm actually confused to what your saying here

[Anonymous No.]

>>15593047
Although on episode 6:

Isn't it over? Battler and Beatrice went to the golden land and ascended off the board. So what we are now playing with is Ange, and the pieces left over on the board itself. Which kinda means that Episode sevens Bernkastel. basically just said 'I will torture you forever'. Fun for the whole family. I guess that's why episode 8 exists, for Battler to come in and rescue them and FINALLY end the pieces suffering.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm thinking of buying the Umineko Manga. Is the english translation good?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15593105
It's good enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15593105
There are some weird choices for the engrish parts, even though I liked Dlanor's Die the Death quote much more in the Yen Press release.

Overall, is a pretty great translation (though I'm yet to buy EP 6).

[Anonymous No.]

Ok guys, I'm back.

Gonna post the last 2 mystery cases solutions (EP 5 and 6). Obviously, there's no need to explain EP7 and EP8, since they are pretty much the self explanatory.

Episode 5 Explained coming up soon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15591991
He looks cute. The shading on his upper lip bothers me, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15593169
I actually didn't change that part. How would you recommend I fix it? Should I extend it? Have it fade out? Remove it entirely?

[Anonymous No.]

>you can sometimes hear seagulls in the distance when just letting the music play

what did r07 mean by this

[Anonymous No.]

>>15590973
>this story actually isn't that complex because I oversimplified it and took out most of what makes it deep

[Anonymous No.]

>>15593261
Those novels are not part of what REALLY happened in Rokkenjima though. They are just fiction written by some amnesiac dude and a woman who wasn't even there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15588686

This is his favorite episode, and I'm gonna let his personal comments intact (even though there are more than in the other explanations), just like most of the others I did so far (I only cut the irrelevant ones for the sake of space in each post).

Before anything, this explanation got some things 100% accurately, and some others not so much (like the man from 19 years ago explanation, which was actually Battler). Episode 5 was fully explicitly explained in EP8 Manga after all, so, part of his text is just doomed to be kinda outdated at some points.

Since the objective is to clarify the answers, the first part will be covering the "Truth" statement from the Umineko Wikia. That will leave part of the misinterpretations evident.

Proceeding:

"Episode 5: End of the Golden Witch" Explained - Part 1 out of 5

#Umineko Wikia Section

The following describes the truth of what happened behind-the-scenes in End of the Golden Witch.

>Culprit:

Sayo Yasuda.

>Accomplices:

Battler Ushiromiya, Genji and all family adults (except Krauss and Natsuhi).

>Before the murders:

Erika Furudo arrived on the island and met Maria in the garden. Sayo couldn't deliver the witch's letter to Maria. She changed her plans, with the sole objective of getting revenge on Natsuhi. Sayo easily bribed the adults with gold and the promise of making Natsuhi confess to hiding Kinzo's death. Sayo talked with her accomplices, who pressured Battler to make the calls to Natsuhi. Sayo prepared a murder prank to fright Natsuhi, having the adults convince Jessica, George and Maria that they were playing a prank against Erika.

>The first twilight:

Battler pretended he found Rosa, Maria, George and Jessica dead. Genji also pretended to be dead. Krauss was kidnapped by Sayo and supposedly brought to the secret VIP room. After calling Natsuhi and allowing her to hear Krauss' voice, Sayo killed him. Later, the people pretending to be dead went hiding. Then Sayo somehow killed them all.

>The second twilight:

Sayo somehow lured Hideyoshi to the room where Natsuhi was hiding. Then, she killed him.

Erika, having prepared everything to corner Natsuhi, presented evidences and even read Natsuhi's diaries to everyone. Natsuhi finally admits her sin against the 'the man from 19 years ago' and asked to be forgiven. Battler seems to regret being an accomplice.

#Gabezhul Section

This particular episode is practically a complete, 100% side track as far as the purposes of my solution project are concerned. It gave the reader the idea that the ten rules of Knox apply to the mysteries and provided a lot of clues for the previous mysteries, including the big one, Yasu's identity. However it did not actually discuss any of the mysteries by themselves, nor did it have many mysteries that I can discuss on their own. On top of all that it had an ONSLAUGHT of Red Truths that were usually barely more than word-games and irrelevant and/or redundant bickering to complicate things, PLUS the Blue Truths on top of all that. Finally, as if those things weren't annoying enough, the actual mysteries in this episode are so vague that is becomes ridiculously hard to solve any of them with 100% certainty.

That said it is still probably my favorite episode in Chiru, if not in the whole series, because the ???? part is just GLORIOUS. This was the fourth time I read that particular part, and yet I still couldn't help but giggle like a schoolgirl all the way through. :3

I mean, I still involuntarily squee every single time Ronove shows up and Dream End Discharger starts playing, which is the biggest Crowning Music of Awesome in a game with one of the best soundtracks of all time with about a dozen other CMoAs... :3

But back to the topic:

>The phone calls and the man from 19 years ago:

Natsuhi receives a call from an unknown "man", claiming to be Natsuhi's "son" from 19 years ago and tells her that he is coming on the day of the conference for revenge. Later he asks Natsuhi about her favorite season. She answers fall, and then he instructs her to uncover a playing card depicting the season. Then he proceeds to blackmail her with Krauss' life, ordering her to hide in a wardrobe in a certain room the next day. Later Natsuhi notes that the only person who would know about her favorite season would be Shannon, and therefore she suggests that she might be an accomplice.

-Explanation:
It was Yasu, of course. Even though Genji says the call came from an external line, it was actually from an internal line all along. The card and her knowing Natsuhi's favorite season points at Shannon (possibly a clue for Battler), but it is quite likely that there were four cards hidden in the room, so no matter which season Natsuhi would have chosen, there would have been a corresponding card there.

As for the blackmail, it's so that she could be framed for Hideyoshi's murder, though this plan later gets complicated by other factors.

To be continued in "Part 2/5"

[Anonymous No.]

>>15593298

"Episode 5: End of the Golden Witch" Explained - Part 2 out of 5

>The Witch's Letter:

Battler, Rudolf, Kyrie, Eva, Hideyoshi, Shannon, Kanon, were in the dining hall when there was a knock on the door. When they check it out, there is a letter written by Beatrice with the family head's ring that declares Battler the family head.

! Red Truths !
(Ugh... This episode -really- goes overboard with the number and length of the Reds... -.-)

[red]Before the family conference, Erika, George, Jessica, Maria, Nanjo, Gohda, and Kumasawa left the mansion and moved to the guesthouse."[/red]
[red]"Of those who remain, only Krauss, Natsuhi, and Genji were in the second floor corridor, while all others were in the dining hall."[/red]
[red]"Krauss, Natsuhi and Genji did not even touch that letter!"[/red]
[red]"Not a single person in the dining hall...no, there's a simpler way to say it. Among all those inside the mansion at 24:00, not a single person placed that letter in the corridor."[/red]
[red]"Neither Krauss nor Natsuhi nor Genji knocked!"[/red]
[red]"This isn't the limited meaning of them knocking on the door, okay? It means they didn't use a pillar to transmit the sound or push the play button on a cassette tape they'd recorded or create that knock sound by any means! Of course, this applies to direct, indirect, intentional, coincidental, and unintentional means!"[/red]
[red]"Let it be known that at 24:00, except for Krauss, Natsuhi, and Genji in the second floor corridor and all of the people in the dining hall, no humans existed inside the mansion."[/red]
[red]"Let it be known that in addition to Krauss, Natsuhi, and Genji, none of those in the dining hall made the knock. In this sense, 'knock' includes all direct, indirect, intentional, unintentional, and coincidental events that could create a knocking sound."[/red]
[red]"In short, this means it was impossible for any character within the mansion to be the source of a knocking SOUND. ......And 'any character' refers even to unobserved people that no one has noticed."[/red]
[red]"It was announced in red that no one in the mansion placed the letter in the hallway."[/red]
[red]"No one in the mansion placed the letter in the hallway. This includes doing so by all concepts, such as directly, indirectly, intentionally, coincidentally, and unintentionally."[/red]
[red]"At 24:00, only Erika, George, Jessica, Maria, Nanjo, Gohda, and Kumasawa existed outside the mansion"[/red]
[red]"The letter never existed on the ceiling of the hallway."[/red]
[red]"Know that the letter never touched the serving cart."[/red]
[red]"It was impossible for anyone outside the mansion to influence anything inside the mansion around the time of the family conference."[/red]
[red]"None of the characters misidentified a knocking sound."[/red]
[red]"Misidentifying a knocking sound means this: they would not mistake a sound very similar to a knocking sound for a real knocking sound. Hitting a pillar to make something similar to a knocking sound is no good. When you record a knocking sound on a cassette tape and play it back, it becomes 'the sound of the tape with a knocking sound on it', and not a knocking sound. So that's no good either!"[/red]
[red]"In other words, all of them would correctly distinguish a knocking sound of something truly hitting the door, and they definitely wouldn't mishear it. It's totally impossible that any sounds except hitting that door directly would be misinterpreted as a knock!!"[/red]
[red]"'To knock' means someone hitting a door with their hand, right?"[/red]
[red]"And none of them misinterpreted a knocking sound. Krauss, Natsuhi, and Genji were not involved with the knock. No one else existed inside the mansion. And that knock refers to the action of standing directly in front of a door and hitting it with a hand."[/red]

-Explanation:
There was no knocking at all. It was Kanon who picked up the letter, but in reality there was no letter on the floor either. Kanon only pretended to hear a knocking sound (thus there was no fake sound or misidentification), then acted out finding the letter in the hallway (thus the letter wasn't placed by anyone anywhere), fulfilling all the Red Truths.

[Anonymous No.]

Lads, please solve the epitaph for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15593305

"Episode 5: End of the Golden Witch" Explained - Part 3 out of 5

>The First Twilight:

George, Maria, Jessica and Rosa were found dead in the cousins' room on the second floor of the guest house. Their throats were cut open and there was a lot of blood at the scene. There was a magic circle on the door. Genji was found dead in his own room with his throat cut open the same way. Genji's room was sealed and the seal was only disturbed when the body was discovered in the morning.

! Red Truths !
(Here I had to pick out a few redundant red truths because there were just so many of them. I mean, holy shit! Just including all the Red Truths would have been longer than the actual solution!)

[red]"So, anyone looking at George, Jessica, Maria, Rosa, or Genji's corpses could confirm at a glance that they are dead"[/red]
[red]"At a glance, anyone could confirm that these corpses are dead, so it is absolutely impossible that they are just people playing dead."[/red]
[red]"At 24:00 in the guesthouse, George, Jessica, and Maria were alive and in the second floor cousins' room. Nanjo, Gohda, and Kumasawa were on the first floor."[/red]
[red]"George, Jessica, Maria, Rosa, and Genji really are dead."[/red]
[red]"...To go even further, at 24:00, Natsuhi, Krauss, and Genji were in a corridor on the second floor of the mansion. All the remaining people were at the family conference in the dining hall. Of course, at that point in time, no murder had occurred. Genji was also alive."[/red]
[red]"Nanjo had the alibi of being with Erika until 3:00 AM. And he didn't leave his room after 3:00 AM until morning."[/red]
[red]"Ushiromiya Battler returned to the cousins' room at 3:00 AM and fell asleep. After that, until the discovery of the crime, absolutely nothing out of the ordinary happened in the room!"[/red]
[red]"In other words, it was impossible for Battler to commit murder or damage the corpses."[/red]
[red]"It is impossible for someone to reach the second floor of the guesthouse without anyone in the lounge noticing it. ......Though of course, this only refers to reaching the second floor from inside the building."[/red]
[red]"At 24:00, Natsuhi, Krauss, and Genji were in the corridor on the second floor of the mansion. The rest of them were in the dining hall on the first floor."[/red]
[red]"Of all the people in the dining hall, not one of them left the dining hall until 1:00 AM...!"[/red]
[red]"When Genji finished transferring the call, he immediately returned to the waiting room."[/red]
[red]"At 1:00 AM, Eva sealed Genji's waiting room, and that seal was broken by Kanon and Kumasawa in the morning when the crime was discovered."[/red]
[red]"During the short break at 1:00 AM, the first two to leave the dining hall were Rosa and Eva. Until Eva returned, everyone in the dining hall remained there. After seeing Rosa off, Eva went to the waiting room and sealed it. Of course, she did not enter the room at all at this time."[/red]
[red]"Genji never left the mansion after 24:00"[/red]
[red]"Ushiromiya Natsuhi is not the culprit!"[/red]
[red]"Ushiromiya Krauss is not the culprit. And he was killed long ago, shortly after you heard his voice over the phone, get it?"[/red]
[red]"Due to the above, the seals are guaranteed to be PERFECT. <Miss> Erika's seals were not broken by anyone, and deception is IMPOSSIBLE!!"[/red]
[red]"Eva's seal was of the same type as <Miss> Erika's. That is because this method of sealing was one that <Miss> Erika and Eva conceived of together after DINNER."[/red]
[red]"It is impossible to tear off any of the seals by any method without leaving marks."[/red]
[red]"There were no suspicious marks on any of the seals...!"[/red]
[red]"All of Erika and Eva's seals were not tampered with in any way that hindered their ability to act as seals, such as being scraped off."[/red]
[red]"All deaths were homicides."[/red]
[red]"Know that none of the corpses would ever lead to a mistaken autopsy"[/red]
[red]"Know that no corpses exist except those of characters who have appeared in the story"[/red]
[red]"After George's death, his corpse was never moved!"[/red]
[red]"After Jessica's death, her corpse was never moved!"[/red]
[red]"After Maria's death, her corpse was never moved!"[/red]
[red]"After Rosa's death, her corpse was never moved!"[/red]
[red]"After Genji's death, his corpse was never moved!"[/red]
[red]"After Krauss's death, his corpse was never moved!"[/red]
[red]"Therefore, the corpses couldn't have vanished after being discovered!! Your theory about Kinzo carrying the corpses away fails!"[/red]

#Special Notes
It was mentioned a number of times how the magic circle was apparently drawn pretty sloppily and how it was an "imitation". Erika never saw the corpses, and they were hidden under blankets.

(TOO BIG, so, I will have to include the explanation in the next post, sorry)

To be continued in "Part 4/5"

[Anonymous No.]

>>15593316

"Episode 5: End of the Golden Witch" Explained - Part 4 out of 5

-Explanation:
The cousins, Rosa and Genji only pretended to be killed as a part of a show put up for Erika. All of the adults, the servants and Battler was playing along. It became possible because Battler was not the detective of this episode, therefore his POV is just as questionable as everyone else's. The magic circle was written up by one of the "accomplices" using Maria's notes, explaining the inaccuracies.

Since there were no corpses to identify or deaths to confirm, #1, #2 and #24 are sidestepped. #4 is explained by the time of the declaration: if a Red Truth doesn't have a time-frame attached to it, it means that it only applies to the events/facts of a particular game that happened before the Red was uttered.

Since the "trial" technically takes place on the 6th at midnight, it means that the victims could have died at any time between the discovery of the bodies and the time of the trial and the Red Truth would still be true.

They also "disprove" the possibility that the crime took place after 3:00, except that it's another technicality: there was no crime to speak of, therefore it didn't take place either before or after 3:00. The cousins and Genji died at another unspecified time (which also explains #26-30, as it is completely possible that if they were killed elsewhere, then their bodies would not be discovered and moved).


>Hideyoshi's Murder:

Hideyoshi was killed in a guest room with a stake in his back. Natsuhi was in the wardrobe during this time, but the wardrobe was closed so she didn't see anything and didn't move because of the blackmail. A few minutes later Eva calls for help because her husband didn't answer and she couldn't enter because the chain was set from the inside. Gohda cuts the chain with a wire-cutter.

-Explanation:
This is pretty much the vaguest "murder" in the entire series, since there is no Red Truth dedicated to it at all and it wasn't even discussed in the game.

This is my take on it: Hideyoshi enters the room and locks it with the chain. Then he plays out being attacked while Eva is outside. This was planned in advance, as it is shown by Gohda showing up with the wire cutter almost instantly.

Everyone rushes in to discover the "corpse", but by the time Erika with her detective privilege arrives he is already wrapped in sheets and taken to the parlor, so she cannot confirm his death.

In short, it is another fake murder played up in case Erika is within earshot.

>Why are the adults playing along with the game?

-Explanation:
It is more than likely that it was the cousins who came up with the idea of creating a murder mystery game for Erika just to spite her intellectual rapist ass. The reason why the adults are playing along is a different matter however, namely that they are doing so to put Natsuhi in a corner. Their goal is to create a situation where they can force Natsuhi to admit that Kinzo was dead all along and use this evidence to force Krauss to actually accept Battler's claim for the headship and streamline the process of dividing the gold. This would also explain why Eva put her seals everywhere beyond any human reason.

In fact it is quite likely that the reason Hideyoshi's murder was staged was because of Kinzo's "escape" from the study and, since they don't know what happened to Krauss (it is almost certain that he was taken by Yasu at this point) they plan on putting the blame on Krauss to corner Natsuhi even further, but then Erika catches Natsuhi on the way back and this diverts the discussion.

Because of this it is almost sure that Yasu wasn't working with them, since it is stated in red that Krauss was killed right after the morning phone call to Natsuhi, where his life was used to blackmail her.

To be continued in "Part 5/5"

[Anonymous No.]

>>15593313
Ask and you shall receive

[Anonymous No.]

>>15593319
"Episode 5: End of the Golden Witch" Explained - Part 5 out of 5

>The Unreliable Narrator:

This particular Episode takes the unreliability of the narration to never-before seen heights. The biggest point of confusion this caused was thanks to the scenes where Shannon and Kanon appeared to be present in the same room at the same time with Erika, the detective with the infallible objective viewpoint. How does that work? Let me quote Redsoxit from down below (user in the vdnb thread where this was first published), as he put it quite eloquently:

________________________

[...] Even if the "Narrative" states that both Shannon and Kanon existed at the same time and in the same room as Erika, we are never explicitly shown Erika's OWN perspective and point of view throughout the episode. Remember that the only thing established regarding the role of the Detective is that the Detective is not the culprit and that the Detective's OWN point of view is completely and unmistakably objective. So unless, Erika HERSELF unequivocally states in red that she saw both Kanon and Shannon at the same time in the same room, we still have plenty of room to doubt the perspective of the "Narrative" (as written by Hachijo and read aloud by the witches) that allowed Kanon and Shannon to exist at the same time and room as Erika. For example, the "Narrative" shows us (the readers) corpses on the beds in the cousins' room and attempts to convince us that the corpses are dead only because Erika never bothers to check that the corpses are fake. If we were shown Erika's 1st person point-of-view, we would have seen something resembling the adults "crying" over their children's deaths while completely covering Erika's view of the bodies and we (as readers) would have been much more EASILY able to doubt the validity of the corpses.
________________________

In other words, not a single scene we are presented with can be considered objective, and as such even scenes featuring Erika should be treated the same way as the magic-laden meta-events of the rest of the series.

EPISODE 5 END

[Anonymous No.]

>>15593298
>like the man from 19 years ago explanation, which was actually Battler
It wasn't Battler, he got it completely right

[Anonymous No.]

>>15593334

Oh, I'm so sorry. I guess I fucked up, in this case.

Gonna make sure to let my personal comments outsid this from now on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15593265
>They are just fiction written by some amnesiac dude and a woman who wasn't even there.

You really didn't finished Umineko, did you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15593325

someone explain the motive as well?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15593390
The same as all of the others (in this game, more because of Natsuhi than anyone else, even Battler imo).

[Anonymous No.]

>>15593325

"Episode 6: Dawn of the Golden Witch" Explained - Part 1 out of 5

Oh my god... This episode... It felt like it was a thousand goddamn hours long... X_X

First off, holy shit, the beginning of this game is still as whiplash-inducingly out of the left field as ever... -.-'

It is a horrible way to start off the episode, and wost of all, it completely contradicts later details of the story, where it turns out the entire "logic error" thing was just a giant Batman Gambit by Battler to get Beato back, a genius twist that is severely undermined by all the pointless and stupid "locked in a room and freaked out" scenes that belong in a Saw/Hostel style torture-porn flick... and then to top it all off it immediately jumped over to Ange and Ikuko, who are insufferable in her first scenes. A pretty damn bad start all around...

As for the Episode overall, like the other Core Episodes it has very little actual murder mystery to it and much, much more heavy on allegories, symbolism and subtle (or not so subtle) clues about the grand mystery of Yasu, so I will be spending a lot of time unraveling those this time around.

This one also dedicated a ridiculous amount of time explaining things like what magic, witch, miracle and a lot of other things meant in the setting, leading to a really slow and ponderous episode that sometimes really felt like a chore to read, something that really wasn't helped by the Ikuko/Featherine + Ange duo's oftentimes insufferable musings.

I get it Ryukishi. You are fed up with your fanbase refusing to think on their own and being obsessed with the Red Truth. I get it. Did it really need a dozen scenes to explain this? A little author's note would have worked just as well, you know? -.-'

>Culprits:

-Erika: She is the only killer in the story, probably because it only got as far as the First Twilight
-Everyone else is participating in the detective game designed to fool Erika, there are no actual crime plans even on Yasu's part as far as we can see

>Battler and the Reborn Beatrice:

Beato is reborn, however she lacks her old personality and calls Battler "Father", which depresses and enrages him to no end.

-Explanation:
The entire situation mirrors the Kinzo/Beatrice II relationship, with Battler taking Kinzo's place. In fact it might go even further, as it is quite conspicuous how it's Genji and Kumasawa who are around the two instead is Ronove and Virgilia, meaning it is possible that at least some of the scenes are -direct- reflections of what happened with Kinzo/Beatrice II in the past. To elaborate:

(1) Kinzo/Battler loses their version of Beatrice at their highest point (upon childbirth in Kinzo's case and upon discovering the Truth in Battler's case)
(2) They both get a replacement who looks exactly like their dead Beato but acts nothing like her (Beatrice II and Chick-Beato, respectively)
(3) They both try to create an environment where their lost love would "return" (Grooming Beatrice II by Kinzo in Kuwadorian and recreating Beato's game to make her manifest by Battler)
(4) Both of them are refusing the new Beato's familial affections and want her romantic affections instead
(5) Both of them shut themselves away (literally or metaphysically) and gamble on a miracle to grant their wish

The one big difference, however, is that Battler (thankfully) doesn't up and rape her, instead Beatrice goes on a vision quest kind of thing in order to become the Beato Battler desires.

#Further Details
An interesting note: Right after Beato "disappears" upon the completion of the duel between Shannon and Kanon, there is a flashback scene with a young Battler and an unseen person telling Beatrice to embody all the things Battler liked in women. This could be interpreted, and was probably intended, as a flashback to when Beatrice was born, when Yasu created the persona and pushed all the emotions related to Battler upon her.

>"Why Are Furniture Not Allowed To Love?"

Shannon and Kanon both express their love to their partner (George and Jessica, respectively) but declare that one and only one of them can achieve happiness.

Upon witnessing these exchanges, Ange and Featherine deconstructs why the need for magic and their furniture status makes no sense in face of the presented facts.

-Explanation:
Well then, some facts have to be unpresented, right?

Since Shannon and Kanon are both personae of Yasu, something they address as being "furniture" and "not having a complete soul", it only stands to reason that if one of them enters into a romantic relationship with one of the cousins, the other cannot, since they inhabit the same body.

This duality, and the fact that Yasu's body have been disfigured by the childhood accident and leaves her gender questionable poses the "unknown barrier" Ange theorizes.

To be continued in "Part 1/5"

[Anonymous No.]

>>15593464

"Episode 6: Dawn of the Golden Witch" Explained - Part 2 out of 5

>The Magical Brooch's Miracle:

In a meta-event, George, Jessica, Shannon, Kanon and eventually Beato enter into a fight for a single miracle that would allow them to fulfill their love through the reforged magical brooch introduced in EP3.

-Explanation:
It all comes down to Yasu again. Shocking, I know.

This entire setup is an extremely blatant clue towards Yasu's identities, though I have to admit I didn't get it at all when I first read the VN years ago and I was actually quite bewildered because the entire situation made no sense whatsoever. The core conflict of "If Shannon gets George, Kanon leaves for some arbitrary reason, and if Kanon gets Jessica, Shannon stays for some arbitrary reason, and then there is even Beato in this picture somehow" makes absolutely no sense as it is presented through the meta-events, and the best the in-meta-universe justification they get are the ridiculous amount of "furniture-talk". Thankfully Beato later dissects the insanity of the presented situation as well,and the lines pertaining to how the duel would only make sense if only three people were involved in a love triangle gives possibly the biggest clue in the entire series thus far.

However, it all makes sense once we consider that Shannon, Kanon and this episode's Chick-Beato are all just facets of the same human being. Therefore if one wins this "duel" and enters into a proper romantic relationship with one of the cousins, it would mean that Yasu would have to either discard the other personae or at least reveal them to the "winner". Either way, the romantic affections of the two losers would be ultimately rejected, and even the "winner" is questionable, as that relationship has to deal with Yasu's mental and physical issues, hence the need for "magic" and a "miracle".

So yeah, Ryukishi once again condensed a ridiculous amount of clues and symbolism into a neat package and then proceeded to make it obscure enough that one literally needs a sudden revelation to make heads and tails of it. Shocking, I know.

To be continued in "Part 3/5"

[Anonymous No.]

>>15593471

"Episode 6: Dawn of the Golden Witch" Explained - Part 3 out of 5

>First Twilight:

Rosa's and Maria's bodies were found in the parlor of the mansion, with the door barred from the inside by a wooden hat stand. Natsuhi's body was found in her own room, Kyrie's in Krauss' study, Eva's in the VIP room and Battler's in one of the guest rooms.

Later the "survivors", following Erika's advice, hole up in the guest house, dividing themselves into two rooms designated as "the cousins' room" and "the next room over". Erika, Hideyoshi, George, Shannon, Kumasawa, and Nanjo are in the next room over while the rest are in the cousins' room.

After some time Erika leaves the 'next room over' and seals the doors of both rooms as well as the windows from the outside. She also finds a letter which declares that Battler's body was hidden. She then goes around and decapitates all the "victims" except for Battler, whose room she sealed down "retroactively", meaning the seals took effect from the time the room was locked up after the discovery of the body. Upon returning she undoes the undisturbed seal and discovers that Battler's body was indeed missing, so she locks the door from the inside with the repaired door-chain and searches the room. Upon entering the bathroom she gets sprayed with burning hot water by a wired-up faucet which takes her considerable amount of time to turn off.

! Red Truths !
No. I am not going to do it. Since this was the one and only closed room in the entire episode, it means that almost all the Red Truths are dedicated to this one. All SIXTY-ONE of them! There is no way in hell I am going to copy all that here, so I will point you at <a href="http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Truth" target="_blank">the UmiWiki's Red Truth page instead</a> and will only cherry-pick the ones that are absolutely needed for the explanation. You can find the rest over there.

[Request: 'Hideyoshi, George, Shannon, Kumasawa, and Nanjo are in the next room over!'] [red]"Acknowledged."[/red]
[It has already been shown that Kinzo no longer exists, so please remove him from the word 'everyone'.] [red]"I acknowledge that everyone else is in the cousins' room."[/red]
[red]"At the time the next room over was sealed, Hideyoshi, George, Kumasawa, Shannon, and Nanjo were in it. And, the number of people in the next room over was five. No one existed there except for those to whom those five names referred! All people can only use their own names!!"[/red]
[red]"It has already been said in red that all people can only use their own names. Therefore, the names Erika, Battler, and Kanon can only be used by those people."[/red]
[red]"Please, allow me to speak. Know that neither is broken. (This and two truths below were said while referring to the seals on the cousins' room and the next room over doors)."[/red]
[red]"Know that an unbroken seal proves that there are still none who have entered or exited."[/red]
[red]"IMPOSSIBLE. The seals on the windows were also INTACT. Of course, this is at the time of the logic ERROR."[/red] (This refers to the cousins' room windows.)
[red]"The one who rescued Battler was, without a doubt, Kanon. The cousins' room is guaranteed to be a perfect closed room until the end. It is true that the next room over was sealed, but at the time of the logic error, only the doors were checked to see whether the seals were preserved. At the time Battler was rescued, only Kanon entered the guest room."[/red]
[red]"The guest room was sealed at the time that Battler's 'corpse' was examined, so until I came again and broke the seals, it was absolutely impossible for anyone to go in or out. Therefore, when I entered the room, it is certain that Battler was hiding somewhere inside the guest room."[/red]
[red]"The only chance Battler had to escape was after I broke the seals. To be even more specific, he had no chance to escape except for the time I was in the bathroom."[/red]
[red]"Kanon does not exist in the bedroom."[/red]
[red]"Kanon does not exist in the guest room. .........Of course, this includes all parts of the closet, the bedroom, and the bathroom."[/red]

(Once again, the explanation will be handle in the next post... why so much red!)

To be continued in "Part 4/5"

[Anonymous No.]

>>15593474

"Episode 6: Dawn of the Golden Witch" Explained - Part 4 out of 5

-Explanation:
Okay, first off we need to be clear on a number of factors for this to make any kind of sense: Yasu=Shannon=Kanon. You literally cannot solve this locked room without grasping that
Next are the name games. There are two threads there with two bunch of red truths.

(1) The first one is about the people in the guest house rooms. The relevant Red Truths are #1 and especially #2. The word "everyone" is presented in the meta-events as a loaded word because it appears to severely limit the moves on the witch's side, but in reality it is quite the opposite. By not declaring the presence of each person by name, Battler avoids revealing that Shannon and Kanon are not at two different locations at the same time. By saying "everyone" he presents a technical truth, since Kanon was not the acting persona at the time therefore he could leave him out of the "everyone else" group. To put it from another perspective: if Battler conveniently switched his definition of "everyone" to "human bodies" instead of "persons we know" before he spoke, this simple wordplay sidestepped the entire issue.

(2) The second one is about the "people can only use their own name" conundrum that appeared to throw quite a few people off the right track. The relevant Red Truths are #3 and #4, and they state that no one can use names that do not belong to them and no one can use the name of another person when being identified by the Red Truth. This would, on the surface, mean that Shannon cannot be the same person as Kanon. However, if you look closely, there is a very important Red Truth missing: There is no Red Truth declaring that "one human cannot have more than one name that actually belongs to them"! The reason why Yasu can use multiple names is because all those names actually belong to her and are acknowledged by others. Now, let's get to the main course: the mystery of the disappearing Kanon!

Let me give you the solution Beatrice provided to the closed room in a nutshell: Erika enters the room and locks it with the chain. She enters the bathroom and has to mess around with the faucet, allowing Battler to get out of his hiding place in the closet, open the door and let Kanon in, who in turn "magically" got out of the guest house despite the seals Erika placed on the doors. Then he leaves while Kanon locks the door from the inside with the chain and hides in the closet in Battler's place while Erika is still busy with the faucet, then magically disappears from the room.

Let's take the elements of this mystery one by one. First off, the problem of how Kanon got out of the sealed cousin's room. As the relevant Reds of #5, #6 and #7 show, the seals on the doors of the guest house rooms were unbroken. However, there are two very big flaws in the seals: First off, most of the arguments focus on the cousin's room's seals, as that is where Kanon was supposed to be at the time. However, in reality "Kanon" was actually in the 'next room over' as Shannon, so that entire line of reasoning is pointless, since while we get some Red Truth regarding the cousin's room windows, there is none regarding the next room over's windows. More importantly, even if they were sealed properly and the seals were undisturbed (which is, again, not stated in red), they actually don't prove anything because of a simple reason: Shannon could have easily left through the window right after Erika left the room, before she even had the chance to get outside and set up the seal on the windows.

In short I propose this: Shannon got out through the window right after Erika left and ran over to the mansion where she changed into Kanon. During this time Erika set up the seals and killed the victims of the First Twilight who were playing dead, then she went over to Battler's room while being followed by Yasu/Kanon, after which point things happened as described by Beato... well, to a degree.

So, the disappearance of Kanon. The relevant Reds are #8-12.

What happened was practically the same as Beato's explanation up until Kanon's disappearance. I admit, before I finally wrapped my head around the whole Yasu thing this mystery kicked my ass as I had literally zero idea about how it could be solved. In fact I am actually tempted to look up that godawful Rosatrice video just to see what kind of insane mental gymnastics the guy had to perform in order to make sense of this any other way than the very simple "Yasu hid herself in the closet and then stopped being Kanon, therefore fulfilling #11 and #12."

#Added Detail
I would once again quote Ange's musings about multiple personalities, since it is very relevant to the whole Yasu issue.

"If a personality is what makes a person a person in our eyes...You could probably say that a second personality represents a different person entirely, even if it inhabits the same flesh body."

To be continued in "Part 5/5"

[Anonymous No.]

>>15593482

"Episode 6: Dawn of the Golden Witch" Explained - Part 5 out of 5

>Erika's Red introduction:

After her defeat, Erika staggers towards Beato and Battler and delivers her introduction in Red one last time for a dramatic exit.

! Red Truths !
[red]"Hi, pleased to meet you! I am Furudo Erika, the detective!! I may be an uninvited guest, but please, welcome me!!"[/red]
[red]"I am the visitor, the 18th human on Rokkenjima!!"[/red]
[......Sorry, but...] [red]"Even if you do join us-"[/red]
[red]"There are 17 people."[/red]

-Explanation:
Okay, simple math time. Early on one of the biggest Red arguments in the story was about how there is no Mysterious Person X or 19th person on the island, limiting the number of people on Rokkenjima to 18.

Then it was revealed that Kinzo was dead all along, which lowered the number of humans on the island to 17.

Then we got Erika entering the game as the "uninvited guest", bumping up the number of people to 18.

And finally, in this declaration, we get the following: -EVEN- if Erika joins them like she declared (setting up a hypothetical scenario), there would still -ONLY- be 17 people on the island. If we turn it around, it means that if Erika -DOES NOT- joint them, like in the first four games, then there are -ONLY- 16 people on the island.

Since we have 17 named characters, this means that one person plays two roles, and as we all know, this person is Yasu/Kanon/Shannon.

EPISODE 6 END


Aaaaand that was pretty much it. He never made one for Episodes 7 or 8 since there was no mystery murder and everything else was pretty much self explanatory.

Feel free to point out any misinterpretations and to explain any other plot point regarding these episodes.

And with that, I'm going to sleep.
I wonder if we can please my OCD this time around by making the thread on 300 or 400 soon.

(Biggest plot twist yet, Explanation-anon was also OCD-anon's second personality all along! Real life Yasu right there)

[Anonymous No.]

Thanks for the guide, anon.
>>15593512
>(Biggest plot twist yet, Explanation-anon was also OCD-anon's second personality all along! Real life Yasu right there)

Huh, didn't see that coming.
Well, it WAS foreshadowed, I guess:
>>15584783
>>15584835

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>>15593512
Like we discussed earlier in the thread, 18 is the number of names/personalities, and 17 is the number of bodies. That's why both can be stated in red

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uuuu

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>>15593547

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>>15593334
Was Yasu the one who made the call?

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>>15593512
He had some details wrong here and there, but he was surprisingly close overall. I'm impressed

[Anonymous No.]

We really need some futanari hentai doujin between Zephar and Furfur already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15593731
>futanari hentai doujin-like "action" *
It's what I wanted to say.

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>>15593731
>>15593736

Don't sexualize the sexual symbolism any further, lewd-anon.

[Anonymous No.]

About to start reading umineko, already have both arcs' originals and what I wanted to ask was whether applying the PS3 sprites/voices is gonna change the original experience in some sort of a way
Like perhaps dialogue fixes to match the PS3 ver, voices not matching the text, that sort of thing

[Anonymous No.]

What is your favorite cosplay from Umineko?

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>>15594049
The PS3 sprites turn some of the expressions for a few characters generic, and thus along with some of the cgs detract from the atmosphere of certain scenes. The voices are great, though you could also say that the quietness really made the creepy atmosphere of certain scenes. I have no comment on the more technical aspects you asked about, but felt the need to give my two cents on this.

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>>15594053
Pic related is one I can think of immediately

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>>15594111
>Bernkastle's shoes

it's shit

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>>15594111
Meant to post this one instead. I don't find the Lambda one all that special.

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>>15578488

It is, but I did notice something pretty interesting.

The Steam version of Umineko has the Star Trek dialog in System0 removed. The song is identical, it just doesn't have the Borg Queen quote at the start. I guess it was legally dubious since Umineko was never formally released in the West before now?

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>>15594633
It wasn't really important, but it sure made the song perfect for Kyrie. Like, really.

Still one of my personal favorites from Umineko's vast god-tier OST.

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>>15594633
The Star Trek dialog was removed in the PS3 port as well

>>15578488
Also, this version of the song isn't the one in the actual game. The one in the game is performed by Jessica's VA, but I can't find it online anywhere. The one in the video is the original version, performed by Kanae Sakura

[Anonymous No.]

>comfy Rokkenjima

I can just sense the oncoming massacre

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe give that gold out to victims of the Fascists who stole it in the first place? I'm still not over this- that's not some sacred gold, your fascist grandmother and co looted it

[Anonymous No.]

>Sudden player interaction

I'm still not over how Chapter 3 fucked me, so I'm extremely skeptical right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>15595248
If you pick the "wrooooooong" one, you get a bad ending by the very end of the VN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15595291
I can confirm that. And if you fuck up your first answer in Bernkastel game, the same thing also happens.

[Anonymous No.]

I assume this part is supposed to say that the gun was loaded with blanks? Because at the end of Episode 1 it says that Battler pulled the lever and a cartridge came out

Not that it matters either way, since the effect would be the same, but it caught my eye when I re-read Episode 1

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>>15595291
>>15595296

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>>15595291

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>>15595390
>I assume this part is supposed to say that the gun was loaded with blanks?
That is what it says. A blank is a cartridge without a bullet inside. If she had tried to shoot the gun without a cartridge nothing would have happened, there wouldn't have been sound or smoke.

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>>15595291
>Implying I'm not going to savescum the shit out of this

[Anonymous No.]

>No blame here m80's

Fuck right off with that. ESPECIALLY Kyrie, what the fuck is she doing the comforting. Doesn't she know as a self aware piece what Ange SAW HER TALK ABOUT? The whole 'I have no daughter who I care about' thing?

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>>15595588
I know you do. It would be incredibly stupid on your part to not do it.

[Anonymous No.]

Speaking of guns, I wonder if Ryukishi is a big fan of them. I kind of got that impression while reading the manga. And then there's also Rose Guns Days

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>>15595604
And cooking. Let's not forget about cooking.

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>>15595604
Ryukishi knows a lot of stuff about a bunch of completely different things. I wonder if study (in general) is one of his hobbies.

[Anonymous No.]

>Nipah
DEAR JESUS ITS BERNKASTEL THE WHOLE THING IS A TRAP GET OUT OF THERE ANGE RUN

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>>15595682
Hehe. You're funny.

[Anonymous No.]

I was wondering about that. I guess it makes sense. Still- Battler really does not look like either of them. But whatever VN logic

[Anonymous No.]

The puzzles were the best part if EP8, I loved doing those.

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>>15595706
Was the Bernkastel game EP7 or EP8? I loved that one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15595712
8

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>>15593047
Alright. On the VERY VERY off chance that you aren't faking and are instead just REALLY dense, do you remember when Willard almost got Shannon to call Shannon over and he got a feeling that it would be a really, really bad idea? Do you remember how Yasu "created" Kanon to be Shannon's brother? Do you remember how Shannon "gave" Yasu her love of Battler, and afterward, she acts as if she had been the one who fell in love with him to begin with?

If you can't figure it out now, you're hopeless.

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>>15595712
Oh yeah, that was great as well. EP8 in general was pretty good. I even liked the clusterfuck at the end. So, so much better than EP7 in my opinion, which was a struggle to get through for me.

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>>15595729
Fuck, that second Shannon should be Kanon.

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>>15595729
It should be really obvious at this point, after Episode 6's ending, where they say that there are 17 people if Erika is included

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>>15595729
Don't bother replying to him. Not a single person here believe he's actually reading Umineko for the first time. Just let him have his fun, he'll stop once he's finished EP8, which should be by tomorrow I hope.

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>>15595740
And again, the explanation/OCD anon just spoiled the whole thing not so long ago above.

It's just impossible he didn't caught any spoiler, even he wasn't pretending.

[Anonymous No.]

>saying their goodbyes

I just fucking know there is going to be some kind of slaughter now

>>15595729
Yeah I got slept on it and got this. Although I was sure at some point Shanon and Kanon were at the same place at the same time- but I guess that's some unreliable narrator/magical stuff.

>>15595740
ayyy lmao

>>15595749
Very easy to scroll past it anon, considering how he flag-posts it.

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>>15595753
Hmmm, okay. I still have my doubts, but who cares?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15595753
>ayyy lmao
Seriously? You are on the wrong board. Just fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

I almost miss lewd sprite anon at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15595786
I want writer anon to give us a Hideyoshi fight scene.

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[Anonymous No.]

Oh my.
Why I was deleted? Some of my posts were deleted.
I roll my eyes every time we meet, God.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15595786
Will I suffice?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15595859
OOOOHHH DESIRE!!!

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>>15595859
>Old and busted hags

Naw.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15595902
>Sexually experienced MILFs

There ya go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15595910
There is no ILF in these Ms.

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>>15595749
If I was posting my first playthrough like he was, I would only read posts replying to my own so I wouldn't catch those spoilers.
But it doesn't matter, you already said nothing will convince you.

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>>15595927
Hm, I'm actually not the same guy you seems to be replying to, but I see your point.

I remember doing that in a Mayoiga thread not so long ago, when I caught up with the hype too late.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15595918
They are hot, don't you dare deny that!
[red] They are sexy af, m8!! [red]

[Anonymous No.]

>>15595786
I'm still here. I've been a bit busy so I took a few days off, but the Eva sprite should be done in a few days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15595942
The only good Eva is the Eva that hasn't been busted or gotten old yet.

[Anonymous No.]

Fine. You win this time, God.
>>15595937
>Mayoiga
Are you serious? I dropped that thing on the first episode.

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>>15595979
It could be great, and it could be complete shit.

Unfortunately, it was shit (they kinda abridged an script for 3-cours worth of content in 12 episodes and retconned info by the very end because they got confused with their own mess). In any case, these are the words of the Director, so, that was pretty disappointing even for them, I guess.

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>>15595859
That's more like it. I wouldn't mind sprite anon so much if he just used the PS3 sprites. Those new ones look absolutely terrible.

[Anonymous No.]

So the author legitimately wants a fight

ALRIGHTEY THEN

this might take a while

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>>15595962
>that name

Huh, I don't recognize this art, is this one of those obscure seacats doujins I've once saw in that myanimelist-like site only for these kind of works? Or perhaps it's just a rule 34 image?

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>>15596025
Hah, I wish it was a doujin.

That would make life worth living.

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>>15595918
Now, I want to know this once and for all.
What is Erika's bust size?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15596039
C'mon now, man. Spoonfeed us the full images, I for one also prefer this EVA.

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>>15596052
That one IS the full image.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15596052
That is the full image of that one.

The one before that is https://a.pomf.cat/qnfvdi.jpg

It's one of my top 3 favourite images

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>>15596018
Well that was quick

Second twilight

Jessica announces it was a closed room in purple, whilst Kanon and Shanon say all the servants can provide an alibi for all the other servants in purple. It has to be one of these two lying through the purple, because they can't both be correct

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>>15595962
>>15596080
Oh man, I remember that pic. Used to fap to it a lot. Sadly, there's so little good quality Umineko porn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15596080
Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15596103
>Sadly, there's so little good quality Umineko porn.

Eh, there's an okay amount, especially compared to some other games/series I know.

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>>15596121
I rather not have that many, but still have those few awesome ones we have now (even though most of the others are pretty badly done overall).

Higurashi doujins had A LOT of ero-guro, and that was just really boner-killer for me.

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>>15596141
They had way more despicable rape scenes than ero-guro tho, even if this doesn't change too much the situation (equally boner-killer material imo).

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>>15596095
>>15596018
Wait no, there's a rule saying the Culprit cannot die, and that the culprit is a shown character. So that narrows it down to the survivors at the end, Battler, George and Maria. George and Maria try to rule each other out through Purple, but that could be lying if they are both culprits.

Maybe this time it's Battlers time to go nuts?

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>>15596155
BUT The rules say a culprit can lie in purple, so if there are more then two culprits then could say in purple 'X is dead', then X would still be alive and able to carry out the murders. This explains Jessica's murder.

Christ where is the limit to the number of culprits? Is it just the servants?

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>>15596155
>>15596169

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>>15595291
>you get a bad ending by the very end of the VN.
I never got that, mind spoiling me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15596183
He's just fucking with him

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>>15596183

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>>15596155
>>15596169
It would have to be a combination of either exclusively dead characters (which means those not confirmed dead by Red, Gohda, Kumas, Kanon/Shanon and Nanjo) or a combination of 'alive at the end' characters and 'dead' characters

But really there are too many combinations if Nanjo is included, but if I don't include him then every dead person stays dead. He confirmed every single death. and fpr the death he didn't confirm. Kraus's + co, that doesn't matter because they are red truth sealed into the room. They can't escape , so they can't murder Jessica.

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>>15596206
>>15596201
Goddamit, you damn witches, this i why I have trust issues.

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>>15596252
Hey anon, it seems you're on the final EP, do you mind posting the image of the last puzzle when you get to it? I've been trying to find it and really dont want to redownload Umineko just to go get a image thats really by the end of the EP

You're probably going to savescum there anyway.

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>>15596290
You mean pic? I'm trying not to savescum believe it or not

Tell me if you want a specific shot of in the puzzle

[Anonymous No.]

Just finished reading Umineko's manga, and damn, as an adaptation for an "almost none fanservice allowed" kind of visual novel, this sure has a bunch.

Especially in those omake pages (so many incest jokes it actually made me laugh just for thinking that one of the main points in the story is pretty much that). Battler and Ange have too much of this though, kinda ruined EP 6 a bit, for me (because of those initial pages with each character narrating a new "So far, in Umineko EP6..." and such).

And I'm talking about THAT kind of "oniichan, fuck me!!". Priceless quotes like Ange trying to say in red that they are not blood related when Battler refuses to have an apparent "promised" intercourse with her.

Well, fuck, I'll just stick with the VN from now on.

PS:
I could do an ass-shot count, and it would easily have more than 3000 images by the end of the whole thing.

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>>15596310
Dont worry anon. Careful with this spoiler Its by the end of the game, the real last "puzzle"

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>>15596330
>And I'm talking about THAT kind of "oniichan, fuck me!!". Priceless quotes like Ange trying to say in red that they are not blood related when Battler refuses to have an apparent "promised" intercourse with her.

What the fuck.

And that's fucking wrong according to what I just read from the VN. They are biological brother and Sister. If Rudolf is to be believed anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>15596343
>that spoiler
Not even touching that, thanks for the heads up

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>>15596344
In fact, Bern interrupts them just before she finishes saying it and say not to tell lies in red.

[Anonymous No.]

>Battler and George are completely contradicting each other over Nanjo

So Battler + X, or George + X, or George + Battler + X or + nothing = Culprit

[Anonymous No.]

>>15596343
You mean the magic or trick part?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15596426
Yeah, that one. Been trying to find it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15596052
Better?

[Anonymous No.]

This is pretty sad. If only Battler wasn't so incompetent

[Anonymous No.]

Caved and used hints

Still though shiiieetttt

[Anonymous No.]

>>15596503
Much better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15596524
>filename
what

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>>15596535
I don't know why, but he does that every time he posts hentai. I think he just copy/pastes random Wikipedia articles

[Anonymous No.]

>>15596563
You seem to know me well even though I don't remember doing this all that much on /jp/ at least

[Anonymous No.]

>>15596503
Very nice.

>>15596524
Well, you've got to link the full pic now. Never seen that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15596597
This anon is like our new savior for EVA-Beatrice hentai goodness, he will surely deliver.

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>>15596330

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>>15596575
I definitely remember you posting images with similar filenames here before

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>>15596597
Yes, sir.

https://a.pomf.cat/klshuw.jpg

[Anonymous No.]

Hanyū?

[Anonymous No.]

OH SHIT THE FINAL BOSS IS BATTLER

Or Bern is really doing a great job of fucking with Ange. But Battler's reactions so far are pretty consistent with someone who just got called out supremely

[Anonymous No.]

>>15596626
<Very good>

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>>15596614
Battler: Nanjo-sensei! Let's take a relaxing bath together!
Nanjo: "It will be a shame to share a bath, after having shaved so little."

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>>15596522
>>15596709

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>>15595618
He knows a lot about medicine and history, judging from Higurashi at least.
You can imagine his past as a mix of George and K1. George needed to learn how to study and its purpose, rather than just studying for the sake of it, and K1 pushed himself to study just for good grades until it broke him.

Some anon was a med undergrad or something mentioned how before Higurashi came out, the topic of parasites manipulating the brain was never well talked about in the scientific world, and almost right after Higurashi came out, it became a talking about of interest. The theory being that Ryukishi read a lot of medicine paper and was ahead of the curve in terms of scientific advancement.
I don't know if it's true but it's cool. I do think that Ryukishi somewhat follows his rule of putting a lot of work to make something good. It's just really weird when I read an interview and he talks about how during the writing of Higurashi ep 6, he spent so much time playing a ninja game that it influenced him a lot and was only thinking about that ninja game while writing.
Or how he saw Independence Day and kept wanting K1 to fight aliens or something. Like, what the fuck Ryukishi?

>>15595702
You're not thinking with anime logic. Look at their hair.
Rudolf has brown hair and Kyrie has white hair. If you mix both of them together, you get red.

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>>15595604
Also, Ryukishi is apparently a very big FPS gamer for some reason, as well as a PC gamer, which is really rare in Japan.
There's a part in RGD where a character talks about how video game villains are culturally influenced by history, basically the same way FPS are influenced by making Muslims or Russians the main bad guys all the time, because they're Merrica's historical enemies.

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I assume at this point in the game Ryukishi just fucking hated the player base. 5-8 defiantly has some defiant moments in regard to the 'truth' and the 'mystery' genre.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15596974
Well he did say that TRT had a "Call of Duty-like setting" or something like that

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>>15596951
There's a vndb user who has a degree in psychology and analysed a lot of stuff about what could have R07 have studied before writing Umineko. Seems a pretty legit text, and the discussion apparently ends to his favor about this whole thing. I'm a no go in psychology, so I really didn't get half of what were they saying, but I posted this above already:

https://vndb.org/t7823#16

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>>15596996
(Or just read the whole thread, before the discussion following this comment, he listed a bunch of psychology books too).

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>>15596996
I'm not entirely interested in the psychology aspect of Umineko since it's filled with truth and half truths, so giving an psychoanalysis of any character in Umineko seems like a wasted effort.
Though I will give it a look some time.

Here's an interesting bit of psychological information that blew my mind on Higurashi. Satoko is an interesting case psychologically as she keeps switching fathers and never grows attached to any. You can attribute her attitude to not having a solid father figure which makes her somewhat unwomanly in parts but not entirely tomboy-ish like Mion. The part that interests me the most are her breasts. Whenever you look at Satoko, you find it weird how she developed pretty large breasts for her age, and you would typically just attribute it to oppai loli archetype and nothing more. However, an interesting point is that girls who lose their father figure a very young age tend to enter puberty very early. This is due to a survival mechanism of patriarchal time when the father figure would die, the girl would have no protection or worth, so being able to enter puberty as a very young age would make her valuable. It makes their transition from childhood to adulthood in a speedy process to ensure the girl's survival and potential of being with another mate.

Hence, the reason Satoko has larger breast than most girls her age isn't just because 'lol she's a loli with breasts!' but because she switched fathers a lot and was unable to connect emotionally to any of them.

The fact that you can explain narratively Satoko's breasts in the story without it being mentioned is mind boggling to me.

Another point of psychological interest, specifically Jung, is when children and autistic people are unable to think correctly, they make up words or repeat themselves. I forgot the actual reasoning behind it but it helps remembering and clearing your thoughts.
You can attribute that viewpoint to Maria as well as Rena to a certain degree.

There is a lot of psychological insight into his work.

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>>15597062
Interesting, I never thought about that before.

Ryukishi definitely likes this Jung guy (I only know about the Persona and Shadow part, but pretty ignorantly so, since I played the whole Megami Tensei series so far).

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>>15597076
The whole Persona and Shadow is essentially what George talks about in ep 1 in an attempt to explain Maria's weird behavior, that people have their own hidden selves (shadow) that they don't show to anyone and that people behave and act differently depending on the environment. Do you talk the same way on 4chan the same way you talk at home? Do you talk at home the same way you do with friends? Or with a date?

A common understanding of this is what is known as 'having masks'. Like the old saying, give a person a mask and he'll show you his true face. I'm sure everyone's heard of that.

I'm reading this vndb posts but they're rather boring since he tries to explain DiD (multiple personality disorder) and confusing it with different personality. I would argue that Yasu whole problem is neither.
DiD develops mostly from severe abuse during childhood, where it's used as a defense mechanism to evade the abuse. I've read reports that children feel as though their consciousness floats away and they don't feel any pain. From there, different personalities take over different emotional state and form their own personalities for different tasks. This is how people can have a large number of different personalities. However, the main persona tends to remain consistently a child who never grows up and never shows itself. This is rather consistent among people with DiD.
This isn't what Yasu suffers from overall in Umineko. I don't even think there's a right medical explanation.

And Jung's view of different persona is more on situational and personal guilt. While it fits Yasu's struggle, it wouldn't make her see imaginary friends. Jung's view on DiD was limited in his time and mixed his own theory to explain DiD and doesn't mesh well with research and interviews over the years.

Arghh, now the arguments in the vndb posts are getting boringly petty. Not worth reading unfortunately and no interesting information to be gained.

[Anonymous No.]

Who else is /goat/ ITT?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15597117

They explained that later on in the thread, and the differences between both too. I'm also reading it in here, it's pretty on spot.

Though, as the Jung-approving user well apologised for, he made the text a bit messed up at the beginning since there were so many topics. In any case, he clarified well enough his points later on (and the discussion dies right there).

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>>15597133
Weren't our theories personified as goats, and not ourselves?

At least that's what it shows evidence of being in the whole scene.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15597117
>'having masks'
That reminds me of this shot from the Higurashi opening. It's some nice foreshadowing

[Anonymous No.]

>>15597140
Hey, don't ruin the fun. We adopted goat as a nickname for the fans already, don't go on shitting on that. Me and my friends already call each other goat theorist companions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15597148
Of course.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15597162
It's funny that you said that, because a lot of people in here got somehow offended with the whole goat thing. Like, tumbrl level.

[Anonymous No.]

We are now entering level 2 of 4th wall breakage

[Anonymous No.]

>>15597175
It's funny because she actually did end up coming in 3rd place in the popularity poll following episode 8's release.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15597175
You have no idea of how meta this story really is just yet haha (but soon enough, at the end of EP 8, you'll find out a last twist about that)

[Anonymous No.]

>>15597175
The irony is that she never past the top 10
Beatrice and Battler were first. I don't remember the rest of the list.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15596982
Ryukishi is actually a really nice dude. He loves that people enjoy his work. Dont confuse Featherine as an author insert and Ryukishi's own feelings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15597178
http://www.07th-expansion.net/2012vote/umi/result_umi.htm
No, she didn't

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[Anonymous No.]

>>15597192
Featherine is more like an author avatar (Like Conan Doyle's Watson or Van Dine's Philo Vance).

[Anonymous No.]

>>15597202
I JUST SPILLED ALL MY COKE IN THE KEYBOARD, THANKS FOR THAT ANON!

Fucking saved tho.

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.07th-expansion.net/2012vote/rose/result_rose.htm

[Anonymous No.]

Well, there goes the universe. Hope it was worth it Ange

[Anonymous No.]

>>15597195
Why is this fat fuck so high on the list? He literally appears in one scene

[Anonymous No.]

!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15597233
Is a trend in Japan spam vote the absolute darkhorse. Not even kidding, in Gintama and Bleach, at the top 30, there were even character like "that girl who appeared in the street during chapter 459" or "the little dog that can be spotted in one of the family's photographs during the flashback of that certain arc".

Some authors actually make stories about them just for fun, when they rank so high in the poll.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15597195
That's the most recent poll. I remember seeing another one that came out right after episode 8, but I haven't been able to find it ever since that newer poll happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15597250
Nice.

Now do loli Ange.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15597233
>Shannon is at the absolute bottom of the list
>Kanon is the 5th
I don't get it

[Anonymous No.]

>>15597250
She is all like
"Y-you BASTARD, how dare you lick my clit so INTENSELY. I'm gonna make you PAY.

DIE DE DESU SENTENCE TSU DESU.... *moans* "

Fuck, my imagination is getting the best out of me-

MUST NOT SEXUALIZE THE SEACATS!

[Anonymous No.]

AND THE LAST HORSE FINALLY CROSSES THE FINISHING LINE THANK YOU BEATRICE

>>15597266
Shit taste defies understand anon


>>15597264
...This can't be an actual fighting game, can it?

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>>15597266
It's awesome to see Erika in the top 5, though.

She is one great magnificent bitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15597268
>not sexualizing the seacats
Good luck with that

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>>15597280
It's a real game. It's really good too

[Anonymous No.]

Oh boy we are going pretty deep here

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>>15597280
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Tc8vzVhqw

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>>15597280
It is a fighting game, yes.

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>>15597292
Agh...

I still didn't overcome this part...
Why is Umineko so bittersweet (actually, this is just straight depressing in a way)?

Couldn't him do a super random shounen battle power of friendship and give the characters a happy ending like in Higurashi? This was too cruel...

[Anonymous No.]

Well this is certainly a finale. Maybe this whole thing was just a girl dealing with losing her whole family, picking up the pieces....

>>15597291
>>15597298
>>15597296
Getting to the ending of this and seeing a fighting game at the same time is...an experience.

Gonna play the fuck out of it when I'm done with 8 though

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>>15597280
>...This can't be an actual fighting game, can it?

It is

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>>15597233
Hideyoshi deserves much more love too.
And so does Kuwasawa and Genji.

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>>15597310
Certain pairs have a little story together and it's chock-full of unique dialogue between character too.

It's has basically everything you could wish for from a Seacats game except playable Kinzo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKH-GJHvDes

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>>15597268
Everything deserves to be sexualized.
Beautiful women should wear almost nothing all the time, especially the seacats!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15597329
>George getting eternally cuckolded in 1:30
>this probably happened on the island

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>>15597343
>forcing one of the lovers to kill another lover
I absolutely love that shit.

And then you have sex on top of his body.

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>>15597342
Oh right, I still need to make the flat version. and fix her nipple

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>>15597343
>He makes Shannon stomp George at 27:17
>That laugh

[Anonymous No.]

I need more violent Kinzo in my life

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>>15597383
To this day I still don't understand why he wasn't playable in the fighting game.

[Anonymous No.]

I feel like every single character is about to get a heroic moment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15597477
Too bad no CGs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15597522
Or voices.

[Anonymous No.]

>slovenly
>slothful

OH FUCK SATELLA IS COMING QUICK HIDE THE GAMEBOARD

>>15597537
Eh, I can do without voices in VN's.

But oh SHIT that's a nice CG

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[Anonymous No.]

>>15597605
>Lambda's sacrifice was for nothing

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[Anonymous No.]

FEELS AHOY CAPTAIN

[Anonymous No.]

For that anon who was asking for the screenshot of the final puzzle

[Anonymous No.]

yep


NEVER EVER FORGET WHAT YOU DID TO MARIA AND ROSA IN THE THIRD GAME

NEVER EVER EVER EVER

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>>15597775
>and then what happens immediately after that

Well that's some delayed action justice I guess

Is this what everyone means when they say seacats? As in these guys are a catbox under the sea?

[Anonymous No.]

>Ghost in the shell

Huh, so this is where the Major ended up when she fused with that A.I. back in the movie

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>>15597815
Umineko means Seagull

Umi means Sea
Neko means Cat

Just a joke.

Also you chose the wrong ending there, I'm disappointed in you.

[Anonymous No.]

To bad When they Cry 5 NEVER EVER

>>15597848
I'll check out the other ending later on. Because it is wayyyy to fucking late in my timezone to do both right now

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>>15597848
>Wanting the nice boat ending

[Anonymous No.]

WE ARE HITTING LAYERS OF META THAT SHOULDN'T BE POSSIBLE

[Anonymous No.]

>>15597860
Problem?

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>>15588260
I thought what happened was that Hideyoshi and Kyrie ended up killing each other in an altercation, after Hideyoshi had killed Rudolf.

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And here I was thinking that Ange was helping her on the sly,

Well this is a ending I can get behind. Apart from the whole 'we blew up 10 tons of looted WW2 facist gold. NO I'M NOT FORGETTING YOU STOLE THAT FUCKING GOLD KINZO

[Anonymous No.]

Well, I mean I guess really should have seen that coming. Ange being the witch of resurrection and all....

Anyhoo that's it from me for now, this threads nearly dead and I have one more ending to finish.

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>>15597742
Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.]

one gun is always doomed to discharge or fall into a state of disrepair, it just rarely comes into play

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>>15597343
>31:40
>I will raise Maria with utmost care
S-surely he doesnt mean?

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>>15597329
>B.Battler keeps talking about how its the end for you because you met him
Is he just being arrogant or is it because IF he is the true culprit then its impossible to deny with any red that he is not going to kill them or some bullshit metaworld stuff like that?

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>>15598106
Probably a mix of both.

Or he's trying to provoke people into attacking him so they can kill him and release what little of Battler is left from his suffering

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>>15597329
>Willard
>You have no whydunnit, so I wont accept you.
Isnt this wrong? If his hatred for the family increased instead of cooling down for those 6 years he'd have a motive, not even to mention the coincidence that his mother's parents died and he suddenly decided to rejoin the ushiromiyas around that time, I mean even people like George and Jessica were talking the year before he comes back about how they think battler wont be returning to the family anymore.

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>>15596814
Criminally underrated post.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm not the only one spending hours reading old theory threads, r-right?

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>>15598168
I guess an "if" isn't enough to call it a whydunnit?

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>>15598243
Yup, only you. What are you doing with your life, anon?

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>>15597233
I'm surprised Kyrie and Ronove are so low.

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>>15598255
Reminiscing about the past

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>>15598286
Truly pathetic.

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>>15597329
I'm really disapointed we didn't get Kinzo.
>tfw you will never combo the shit out of your opponent while screaming BEATORIIIIICCCCHHHHEEEEE and OH DESIRE at the top of your lungs
>tfw Kinzo will never turn into a dragon for his special attack like he did in 4's tea party
Why even live?

Gaap would have been cool and unique too.
Amakusawa or Gohda could be interesting too.

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>>15598325
>Secret character unlock
>Ryukishi07
I would be fun I suppose. Hehe

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>>15598346
Ryukishi07 is too overpowered as a character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15598346
Although, now that I think about it, in a way he's already in the game. Meh.

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>>15598376
Forget what I said. He doesn't appear after all. My bad.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm never wrong though. Every character is a part of the author, so literally he IS every character, so every time you perverts masturbate to these characters you're sucking the smug dick of Ryukishi wahaha.

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>>15598572
I am surprisingly okay with this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15598572
And by extension I'm sucking every other seacat's dick? Nice.

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>>15598580
Ggrrr! You're supposed to feel despair!!

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>>15598572
Meh.
>you don't love your waifu, you love the man/person who created her!
It's not a new point of view or interesting.

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>>15598586
Despair? Getting off to the work of the man who gave me some of my fondest memories is nothing to be ashamed of.

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>>15598611
>Implying I was trying to make a point
I'm just playing.

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>>15598627
I know but it's still boring.
I've also never fapped to any of Ryukishi's characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15598638
What's stopping you?

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>>15598638
I know, whatever. Just as boring as yourself, who cares? Bye.

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>>15598643
>censoring the D
>but not nipples
Tsk tsk.

I honestly like too much the characters to fap to them.
I like to think of lewd scenarios involving the characters but not fapping to them itself.

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>>15598655
I really messed up with that one. I'm scared.

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>>15598663
You'd better pray to the witch of miracles.

>>15598646
I'm always more interesting with interesting material. Boredom begets boredom.

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>>15597264
How about legal Ange instead?

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>>15598670
How about selfcest legal Ange lesbian play with loli Ange?
Battler getting his fingers sucked by both adult and loli Ange.

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>>15598670
I prefer legaler Ange.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone got a higher res image of this Featherine sprite?

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>>15598670
I'll reluctantly accept it, but only because you put so much work in it.

I won't let it slide next time.

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>>15598696
>lewd Featherine
I don't think we should cross that line.

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>>15598706
Try and stop me

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>>15598696
That's the original sprite's size. Using waifu2x works pretty well though.

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>>15598734
Strange. I can find many other characters at a higher resolution that weren't waifu2x'd.

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>>15598713
You're playing with forces far beyond your control.
For your own good and sanity, you must stop.

[Anonymous No.]

Huh.
Has anyone ever noticed that Featherine essentially has short hair if it weren't for her back long hair?

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>>15598815
Why

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>>15598861
I think I've just committed a grave sin, far greater than simply making her lewd or naked.

[Anonymous No.]

I think I've crossed the line despite warning that other anon not to cross it.
I guess I'll see you all in the worst possible kakera of hell.

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>>15598706
They started it by deciding to give her cleavage in the new version.

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>>15598888
At least you acknowledge, stop it right now. You know you dont want to do this.

[Anonymous No.]

This seems like a good time for a progress update on Eva's edit. I think I've pretty much gotten her general outline layed out. I'm going to fix the sagging breasts at the end, but if there are any other problems with her figure besides that please let me know and I'll try to fix them. If there are no other problems then I'll move on to coloring and shading.

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>>15598950
Just because I've acknowledged my sin doesn't mean I'll be forgiven. Especially when I knew the severity of my crime while committing it.

>>15598973
Jesus those saggy breasts are disgusting.

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>>15598973
Though if you get a chance, could you fix her chin? They're Evangelion 3.0 level of pointy.

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>>15598788
Too late

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>>15598979
Yeah, they really are. I guess they were trying to make her look more her age. The final version will have a fix similar to this one.I can already tell I'm going to have to fix Kyrie's breasts when it's her turn.

>>15599003
I'll see what I can do.

>>15599025
Nice job. You're getting better at these.



Any other problems with Eva? How's her lower body look? Also, should I leave her gloves on, or remove them.

[Anonymous No.]

My sins have no bounds.

[Anonymous No.]

As Jesus once said, those who have sinned will be forever damned to hell. Meaning you're pretty much fucked, so you might as well sin as much as you can before dying.

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>15599114
Stupid dumb Christians.

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>Ange becomes the final witch of the island, the witch of TRUTH, Beatrice
>Erika now her guardian


Now this is a story that will end in Rokkenjima.2, only with nukes this time

Although I would add I kinda expected more. If he went through the trouble of having two endings, I expected there to be two full endings, not one very well done one and Rokkenjima massacre.2, boat edition. Interesting to note that magic is in both though, I guess it was a fantasy after all

[Anonymous No.]

So while I was fixing the sag on Eva's breasts I decided to try something new. It came out better than expected.

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>>15599602
Alternatively

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>>15599602
>>15599634
I didn't quite like you when you were stripping little girls naked anon, but you've grown on me. Please make jiggly boob gifs of all the seacats girls, I'll love you forever.

Also the first one you posted is the better one.

[Anonymous No.]

Haven't visited /seacats/ in a while.
Did anyone translate Hane/Tsubasa yet?

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>>15599700
Thanks. I'll definitely be making more. Who would you like to see next?

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>>15599727
Hmmmm...Jessica's always had a nice pair. And she gets so little love on here. It'd be great if you could work on her next.

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>>15599750
Sure thing. I'll see what I can do.

[Anonymous No.]

So can we talk about the ending? not going to bother with spoilers after this one

Either Ange becomes the witch of Truth or the Witch of Resurrection. So I guess magic 100 exists? I feel like the way magic has ended in Umineko is a mistake. It is constantly used for torture and cruelty for no reason, the only exception being the Resurrection at the very end. Even Battler was full fucking witch at the end, delighting and sharing in a puzzle in which he and his family brutally murder everyone. I feel like the human element got lost in that.

If you take the endings at face value. It's possible to just construct a non-magical ending with what we have, although its pretty fucking depressing and probably not what the author intended.

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>>15600030
You are a goat, anon. I said you'd end up one, and I was right

that is, on the unlikely assumption that you weren't just making this shit up.

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>>15600030
If you're admitting that magic exists then you're admitting that there is no puzzle or murder mystery, just Beatrice casting stakes on everyone.

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>>15600599
>goat
Essentially. 5-8 really overplayed the 'Magic is love' and downplayed the events of 1-4. Everyone forgave each other, at least in Battlers mind, but really if magic is real then magic is cruel. More cruel then if there is no magic.

>making this shit up
Guess you'll never know.

>>15600887
I interpreted it as 'A solvable mystery occurred on Rokkijima. This was reveled to Ange. Even after she retained hope they her brother would come back, which he did. Then using the power of the Witch of Resurrection, she resurrected the Ushiromiya family at least in some "dimension"'. So it's a non-magic mystery which turns into fantasy after. Which I have reservations about.

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>>15600933
Magic is not love, love is magic.

Love is an illusion, a misunderstanding.
Mutual love is a mutual misunderstanding of being mutually loved.
And engagement is a vow to not wake up for your whole life from that misunderstanding.

The illusion of love perpetuates itself and is what creates magic. Believing in illusions is helpful but forcing others to believe in illusions is simply cruel.

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>>15600958
Magic is a delusional, a tool for running away from responsibilities and into the arms of endless greed. All it ever did was slot into the wielders agenda, all it ever did was take, all it ever did was punish.

The only person who could even remotely claim they used magic as intended was Ange. Even Maria used it to murder her mother again and again. It's nothing more then temptation, greed and lies.

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>>15600998
Although an optimistic view would be to say that it's still a positive outlet by the mere use of being an outlet for getting rid of temptation greed and lies, like letting Maria indulge in the imagination of murdering her mover over and over, until she became complacent.
Rather than letting her suppress those emotions, she let them leave in her imagination. Would you rather she hold it inside until it blew up?

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>>15601046
oh boy did someone say optimism?

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>>15601077
Duality demands it.

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>>15601046
And what did her optimism get her? What did the delusion of the black witch reward her with?

She lied to the police and kept an abusive mother.

Sometimes, being hurt is the right thing to happen. Pain is there for a reason.

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>>15601104
It gave her hope. Hope that Rosa might change. Hope that things at her work might become better and her mother could come home early from work and be happy rather than angry and sad.

Hope is what optimism got her.
Magic is something you bet on. Maria bet her suffering for a bright future.

[Anonymous No.]

Magic is just a coping mechanism to deal with pain. Black magic is when you push your pain onto someone else. White magic is when you change the way you view the world by embellishing the truth. You can call that lying to yourself or running away from your problems, but that doesn't make it a bad thing.

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>>15601112
Her witch robbed her of hope. Her loyalty to the hope of her mother ensured she was there on Rokkenjima 1986.

Magic is a fixed bet that mocks you, strings you along then applies a consequences. It's a deal with the devil, it will always come back to bite you.

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>>15601126
Had events on the island not happen, the duration of the bet might have paid off.

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>>15601127
There is nothing bad about anything except for how we use it. Like everything, it can be used for good or ill. Truth can lead to further realization of the truth but can be devastating for some who do not wish to hear it. Ignorance can make you live comfortably but it can blind you from surviving.

Duality is dual on both ends as well. It circles within itself with its ends.
Not enough people understand the implication and power of duality.

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>>15601126
>magic is a fixed bet that mocks you
Not quite.
I'm not him, but the main point, as the anon right below yours also mentioned, is that magic works as an easier solution to your problems. Sure, having hope over something changing holds no proof that it will indeed change anything, or rather the possibilities of it changing compared to those of when you'd try to actually do something to change it are far less. That's why they're considered "miracles" that people hope and wish upon. Meaning she bet on that small possibility instead of doing something, in a similar way you go to a slot machine, start mashing that bar like harambe, put on the Kaiji SFX and expect the cash to rain in.

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>>15601133
Or Rosa snaps and murders her years later. Or any other number of hopeless possibilities, courtesy of "white" magic.

>>15601159
But that's not the magic we see. Basically ever. The magic we see isn't hope for a better future, it's ruthless ambition and greed, lust and selfishness. Every single character who gets power eventually uses it for "Black" purposes. Even Battler.

Miracles exist to bait and deceive. And it gives power to those who manipulate truth to create suffering- every witch ever. Look at the tale of Rokkenjima, half truths designed to hide and perpetuate the massacre forever. The miracle of the catbox is the strongest miracle in Umineko, and it's torture.

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>>15601243
It was just a make-believe mystery game used by Beatrice to make Battler remember. Beatrice never killed anyone.

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>>15601046
>letting Maria indulge in the imagination of murdering her mover over and over, until she became complacent.

that was just Ange's shitty wish-fulfillment. she just happens to hate things that she doesn't understand, including Rosa

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>>15601243
>Or Rosa snaps and murders her years later. Or any other number of hopeless possibilities, courtesy of "white" magic.
Such is the nature of a bet. Maria could get killed, suffer endless shame, live up in a bruised up childhood, but those were the accepted losses she accepted to potentially win big in the hopes that Rosa would succeed business wise.

Maria bet her childhood that her mother would succeed

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>>15601294
>meekly obeying the whims of Fate

Is this the best that magic can do? No wonder everybody died

[Anonymous No.]

>>15601294
What do you think is the mentality when investing in the financial market? You place your bet and hope causality rewards you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15601369
Oups, meant for >>15601342

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>>15601294
Do you have more of that?

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>>15597886
It was, this text is kinda outdated, as explained by the anon before doing the episodes.

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>>15601436
No but I'm sure everyone can agree that Maria should be naked all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

Fucking Lambda in this fighting game is about to give me a heart attack I'm so fucking mad

[Anonymous No.]

It's funny to imagine Jessica becoming head of the household while being subservient to a servant by night. She would order everyone around but whenever Kanon felt like it, he could take her in the closet to be fucked.

[Anonymous No.]

Jessica is such a worthless woman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15601645
>>15601674
Perfect timing. I just now finished the Jessica gif someone asked for earlier today.

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>>15601688
I was that anon. Really good work, they look great. Thanks again.

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>>15599602
>>15601688
You should start animating hentai.

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>>15601695
You're welcome. Glad you like them.
>>15601698
Thanks. That means a lot.

Any ideas for the next one?

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>>15601726
Shannon or Beatrice or both

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>>15601755
More bouncing, or should I try something else?

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>>15601797
A collar around her neck would be nice.

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>>15601797
Whatever you want, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15601815
I'll experiment then. If it turns out badly, I'll just resort to bouncing.
>>15601805
Shannon's or Beatrice's?

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>>15601820
>Shannon's or Beatrice's?
Both. If you can, of course.

It also works as a sort of hilarity. With both Shannon and Beatrice wearing a collar you wonder why that is. The answer being that they're both the same person and both wearing the same collar!

Isn't it genius?

[Anonymous No.]

One more question, which Beatrice?

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>>15601849
Maybe not the squinty pachinko one?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15601849
Why is this even a question?
Both!

[Anonymous No.]

how much do u guys wanna bet mangagamer will change the "intellectual rapist" part into something different in fear of triggering someone or whatever

[Anonymous No.]

>>15601849

beato

[Anonymous No.]

>>15602342
Change it to what?
Intellectual rapist is the correct definition.
MG stood up to SJW who bitched about Satoko's lewd sprite a while ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15602360
Intellectual violator? Intellectual abuser? Dunno

I use tumblr, I saw some of this drama when it happened. Hillarious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15602360
I don't get why these people are pretending like it's MangaGamers fault. They're just staying true to the source material. And one of them says that it's better to buy the game directly from 07th Expansion, but the towel sprite is in the original as well so it doesn't make any fucking sense.

I can only assume that they've never read Higurashi in the first place

[Anonymous No.]

>>15602591
They probably just watched the anime

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>>15602553
>Intellectual violator? Intellectual abuser?
Boring and not direct enough. I love the title 'Intellectual Rapist'. It perfectly describes Erika and is very direct. I always imagine someone just forcefully fucking your mind or eyefucking you while asking you if you finally understand the truth. It's such a great name.

>>15602591
>I can only assume that they've never read Higurashi in the first place
More like they only read it with the PS2 patch.
One of them kept bitching that Ryukishi was wrong and the artist might not know what's best for his own vision and art.
>your artistic vision is wrong! We must change it for the collective good of all
Fucking marxist.

I personally think it's fine since it's not used as a 'look, Satoko is naked, time to fap!' but as a direct shock of showing her naked for half a second, showing her run away naked rather than the narration showing her naked.
It also plays with a common theme that Ryukishi likes to play with that what defines humans are clothes, and when you remove our clothes, we become animals.
This works in a kinky lewd way, that it's more lewd if a girl is wearing clothes while naked (and when people are naked in bed, they're beasts in bed, hue hue)) but removing the last piece of cloth to run away shows Satoko thew away her humanity just to stay safe.

But of course, without love it cannot be seen, so tumblr doesn't understand.

Not to say that their view is completely vapid either. It is true that the Satoko sprite is arguably overly sexualized, with large hips and showing her vagina bones, but the original sprite had the same proportions, so there's nothing to argue about. I think it's because the original sprite is not 'pretty' that it's given a free pass.

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>>15601104
>She lied to the police and kept an abusive mother.
>Sometimes, being hurt is the right thing to happen. Pain is there for a reason.
It makes me sad that you interpreted like that anon. Her mother did love her, it was just stress outbursts that Rosa had because she's human, Maria though, is also human, so she chose to use magic and keep herself happy, so she could tank Rosa's outbursts and try to let her mama live a good life. This way both of them would be happy and wouldnt need to part.
Maria herself told you, if saw from outside, anyone would think they have problems, but to her this wasnt as bad, even Ange noted this, that she couldnt understand why Maria would say she was having a good life and a happy time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15602797
If only they had a few minutes a day of fun

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>>15602342
>>15602553
She's such a pervert that using "rapist" to figuratively describe herself is perfect for her. It's fine if it's inappropriate because Erika is inappropriate.

[Anonymous No.]

>there's actually people who prefer the steam art over the PS3 art

literally how

[Anonymous No.]

>>15602836
I prefer the Steam faces over the PS3. The Steam art has it closer to the original expressions while the PS3 art feels flat and bland to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15602797
Cynicism is scornful, even if it ends up usually right, but optimism is always the correct answer.

>she couldnt understand why Maria would say she was having a good life and a happy time.
What a joke. This is why magic is shit. Self-delusional and ignorance of the current situation. Maria's life was hardly happy or good. She ate alone, had no friends, begged random people for food at times and had to create her own friends to pretend to be happy. Had she accepted the truth, she might have found a compromise with her abusive mother or changed rather than remain blissful of her autism.
Rather than hope for a better future, she should have tried to better herself and make things better. Instead, she did nothing and relied on magic to help her out.
Maria's happiness stop her from achieving true happiness and create a better situation. Maria is an idiot who only half accepted her situation by refusing to do anything in attempt to help her mother.

Did she study?
Did she try to be less autistic?
Did she stop to act like a child?
Did she stop going around like a child, making Rosa seem like a bad mother which made her more angry?

As Kinzo said, Maria is obscene to the eyes. A waste of the Ushiromiya family name. Even more than Jessica.

>>15602815
Rape is such a turn on.

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>>15602797
Cynicism is scornful, even if it ends up usually right, but optimism is always the correct answer.

>she couldnt understand why Maria would say she was having a good life and a happy time.
What a joke. This is why magic is shit. Self-delusional and ignorance of the current situation. Maria's life was hardly happy or good. She ate alone, had no friends, begged random people for food at times and had to create her own friends to pretend to be happy. Had she accepted the truth, she might have found a compromise with her abusive mother or changed rather than remain blissful of her autism.
Rather than hope for a better future, she should have tried to better herself and make things better. Instead, she did nothing and relied on magic to help her out.
Maria's happiness stop her from achieving true happiness and create a better situation. Maria is an idiot who only half accepted her situation by refusing to do anything in attempt to help her mother.

Did she study?
Did she try to be less autistic?
Did she stop to act like a child?
Did she stop going around like a child, making Rosa seem like a bad mother which made her more angry?

As Kinzo said, Maria is obscene to the eyes. A waste of the Ushiromiya family name. Even more than Jessica.

>>15602815
Rape is such a turn on.

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>>15600030
So the ride is finally over for you? Contrary to what that grumpy idiot said before I did enjoy reading your posts, at least it was more entertaing that all the porn that fills every thread. I feel you're a little disappointed, am I wrong?

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I want to fuck Erika

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>>15602875
Dumb Erika poster

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>>15602875
Why is Erika so fuckable?

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>>15602797
Her mother was just as immature as her daughter. If you think that was love then you're going to have a very fun fun life.

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>>15602882
Because she needs to be physically raped.

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>>15602890
Oups meant for >>15602878

Although raping Rosa and Maria is an alternative possible solution to their immaturity.

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>>15602890
Do you know to say something else besides rape and bark?

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erika

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>>15602898
Not really.
Rape is pretty much the number one thing on my mind every day.

[Anonymous No.]

Bah

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>>15602900

Stupid corpses need to get the FUCK out of these threads

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>>15602908
Without love, it cannot be seen that rape is a valid solution.

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fuck, missed 588

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>>15602909
But Rokkenjima is full of stupid corpses.

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>>15602342
i legitimately dont think the title will be changed because it seemed that the 'official' translation already had much more vulgar writing in certain scenes (a lot more instances of the word fuck at strange points.)

additionally, I think we would've seen it coming if they made any effort to tone down Battler's really oddball interactions to Maria and Jessica, especially Maria.

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>>15602805
when is the next Umi-neki-oh thread?

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>>15603080
I don't know the exact time, but it's sure to be in a really uneven number

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>>15602882
Yes, her mother was immature, but it was still love nonetheless, Rosa did love Maria.

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>>15603131
"Love", huh? Maybe. What a weird way to show it. I do understand what you mean, but to me that's not love. The bond of love that they had was mediocre, but still they were mother and daughter. Of course.
It's a personal opinion.

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There millions way to love someone else. Being hurt is inevitable and sometimes we don't have the choice to pick the one that we like the most, but it's love nonetheless. Blah blah.

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New thread

>>15603191

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>>15603131
It's fun to imagine Rosa slapping Maria while screaming 'I love you'.
Reminds me of some sitcom where an old couple would tell the other to go fuck themselves at everything
>honey would you pass me the salt
>go fuck yourself
>love you too honey

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>Kinzo would you pass me the salt
>OOHHHHHH BEAAATRRIIIIICEEEE
>yes Kinzo, I know

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>>15603289
Uh-huh. You forgot to remove your name.

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>>15603294
Name? what name?

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>>15603308
hehe

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>>15603312
Shh

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>>15602360
Intellectual Triggerer.

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>>15603328
There's nothing intellectual about a trigger.

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>>15603319
Okay, I will keep the secret.

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>>15603333
<Very Good>

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>>15602360
This reminds me a little of myself last year, although it was always for play. I'm embarrassed really. I guess I have to accept that others have different views. Argh! I don't like it!
>>15603343
Shhh

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>>15603349
As if you've really changed. All you've done is slight adapt yourself.

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>>15603360
Heh, at least I don't go to those threads to annoy them anymore. The purpose was to annoy you because it was funny, but then I felt like they had enough. I never truly hate them.

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>>15603380
I'm not sure how you can mix hatred and fun.

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Hmmm, never mind.

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>>15603392
I don't hate anybody. Sometimes I wake up with a bad mood and I act like a bitch. I'm not perfect.
That's a thing of the past now so it doesn't matter.

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>>15603409
>Sometimes I wake up with a bad mood and I act like a bitch. I'm not perfect.
I think that's the definition of 'acting like a cunt'

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>>15603414
Yeah, I guess.

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>>15603420
Well you're one step closer to admitting you're a cunt, so that's progress. Gold star!

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>>15603427
meanie

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>>15603429
It's FUN.

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>>15603434
Curse you!

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>>15603441
Wrong pic. Meh

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>>15603445
Seems fitting regardless. Heh heh heh.

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>>15603466
See you, limp dick. Oh! Also, don't you think it would be a good idea to take off Kuro from your you know what. The manga was decent and cute, the ending was meh but whatever. I don't think it should be there. Bye-bye.

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>>15603480
Yeah I know, it felt like the author just wanted to end it and move on to something else. Ah well. I don't know if I should remove it since I really liked it.

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[Anonymous No.]

Can't decide which is better.

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>>15603536
>posting from phone
This one, duh. Bye

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>on ep2
>weird wolf thing appears
>kanon has a fucking magic sword
>demon of lust appears
>she's wearing an angel mort costume
I can't take this shit seriously anymore.
What the flying fuck is going on

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>>15604053

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Which maiden would you iron?

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>>15604570
>zombie Kanon gets killed by a fucking cobweb
>Battler still trying to deny magic exists
I have never been this confused. This makes Tatarigoroshi look sensible

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>>15605202
It's because don't trust no one, except yourself.