/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

So she is a parasite right?

[Anonymous No.]

The fox is unamed.
Ran is the shikigami controlling it.
The fox's body is a computer case.

[Anonymous No.]

We joked about Reimu being an undead zombie, but as it turns out, it was Ran who was the zombie all along.

[Anonymous No.]

Zombie computer fox.

[Anonymous No.]

Poor bakeneko controlled by Chen can come out each times she's hit with cold water. The bakeneko is now Ramna.

[Anonymous No.]

What Yukari did to that fox is yet another proof that she is in fact the nastiest 2hu

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559616
Is it actually parasitic though?

Ran the body doesn't seem to age, not does it seem to be drained in anyway. We have no idea if the powers she uses belong to the Nine Tailed Fox or the Shikigami.

It may well be a symbiotic relationship, didn't the Fox agree to become Yukari's servant?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559684
>didn't the Fox agree to become Yukari's servant?
I dunno, the profile explicitly calls it "enslavement", so I guess it was not consensual, unless she is one kinky fox with a fetish for mindbreak

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559680
Yeah. Blame yukari and not that "thing" possesing the fox.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559628
>>15559671
>>15559680
>>15559684

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Ran, is in fact, Fox/Ran, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Ran plus Fox. Fox is not an Shikigami unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Shikigami servant made useful by the Ran corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full Shikigami as defined by Zun.

[Anonymous No.]

Can't wait for doujinshi where lewd Ran's shikigami link is broken for a moment allowing the base fox girl to be aware of her situation before the link is reestablished.

>>15559616
Ran is the hat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559698
>blaming the gun and not the shooter

[Anonymous No.]

She's a system installed in a powerful beast youkai. The actual fox might not even be sapient.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559691
>the profile explicitly calls it "enslavement"
link?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559758
>The actual fox might not even be sapient.
Anon, there's a hidden village of sapient kitsunes in Gensokyo. Yukari most likely took one of their most revered ones to use as shikigami.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559769
I don't see anything about enslavement, but read this.
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Strange_Creators_of_Outer_World/Who%27s_Who_of_Humans_%26_Youkai_in_Gensokyo/Yukari_Yakumo,_Ran_Yakumo,_and_Chen

From the latest ZUN lore pieces.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559776
Oh. I have no mouth and I must scream confirmed, then.

[Anonymous No.]

Ran's my favorite and I'm still trying to deal with this new info. I hate how it was just dropped, yet left extremely vague and only leaves more unanswered questions. What is the nature of this other fox? I bet Zun will never elaborate any further, too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559811
A monster installed in a monster. Really good at math.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559811
Also, I have to remember that all this applies to Chen as well. How are the Japs reacting to this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559825
Most of them ignore that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559825
Chen was known to be like that since PMiSS

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559825
Is the information actually new or is it just newly translated?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559843
Strange Creators of Outer World Volume.1 with the Who's Who of Humans & Youkai in Gensokyo: Reimu Hakurei, Marisa Kirisame, Sakuya Izayoi, Sanae Kochiya (updated profiles for the girls) came out in 2015-09-30

Strange Creators of Outer World Volume.2, with the Who's Who of Humans & Youkai in Gensokyo: Remilia and Flandre Scarlet, Hong Meiling, Patchouli Knowledge, Yuyuko Saigyouji and Youmu Konpaku, Yukari Yakumo, Ran Yakumo, and Chen, Kaguya Houraisan and Eirin Yagokoro, Reisen Udongein Inaba and Tewi Inaba, Fujiwara no Mokou, Alice Margatroid updated profiles came out 2016-06-30 so >>15559782 is about 19 days old informations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559776
That would be quite the entrance, someone turns up one day unannounced, meets your leader in private and then you see neither of them again

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559811
>What is the nature of this other fox?
Who cares, she never comes up anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559823
Can she calculate pi's exact value?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559703
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Ran, is in fact, Ran/shikigami, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Ran plus a shikigami. Ran is not an independently functioning familiar unto itself, but rather a base platform for a fully functioning shikigami system made useful by binding rituals, esoteric programming and familiar contracts comprising a full youkai as defined by the spellcard rules. Many omnyouji create modified shikigami from mundane animals every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the shikigami that is commonly used by Yukari Yakumo today is often called "Ran", and many of its acquaintances are not aware that it is basically a standard shikigami behavioral algorithm, projected onto a fox. There really is a Ran, and these people are interacting with her, but she is just a part of the composite familiar that executes Yukari's programming. Ran is the hardware: the corporeal part of a shikigami that provides the resources for the familiar to operate. The base animal is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it only complies with your directives in the context of a complete shikigami system. Ran is kept under control through the presence of a shikigami algorithm: the whole system is basically Ran with a shikigami added, or Ran/shikigami. All the so-called "Ran/Chen oneloli porn" is really porn featuring Ran/shikigami and Chen/shikigami.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559703
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Ran, is in fact, Ran/shikigami, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Ran plus a shikigami. Ran is not an independently functioning familiar unto itself, but rather a base platform for a fully functioning shikigami system made useful by binding rituals, esoteric programming and familiar contracts comprising a full youkai as defined by the spellcard rules. Many onmyouji create modified shikigami from mundane animals every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the shikigami that is commonly used by Yukari Yakumo today is often called "Ran", and many of its acquaintances are not aware that it is basically a standard shikigami behavioral algorithm, projected onto a fox. There really is a Ran, and these people are interacting with her, but she is just a part of the composite familiar that executes Yukari's programming. Ran is the hardware: the corporeal part of a shikigami that provides the resources for the familiar to operate. The base animal is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it only complies with your directives in the context of a complete shikigami system. Ran is kept under control through the presence of a shikigami algorithm: the whole system is basically Ran with a shikigami added, or Ran/shikigami. All the so-called "Ran/Chen oneloli porn" is really porn featuring Ran/shikigami and Chen/shikigami.

[Anonymous No.]

Why does this matter? It's not like their personalities changed, or that we knew what came before them.

It's the exact same character, but people are acting like it's the end of the world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560035
>This character is just a doll possesed by something else
>guise it's no biggie

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560045
First, that's exactly how we knew shikigami to work, the only new info is that Ran is the name of the shikigami and not that of the fox.
Second, who the fuck are you quoting

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560047
>First, that's exactly how we knew shikigami to work
PMiSS was extremely vague about it, implying the bakeneko is some feral creature, not a sapient being who's being used like a puppet

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560045
It isn't. Once again, she is the exact same Ran Yakumo as you've been masturbating to for almost a decade. Only her backstory has changed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560045
Nothing really changed, you dumbfucks just wish your cute fox waifu was a cute fox waifu, even though she has literally always been a computer program slave to Yukari.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560047
Not true. Before, the analogy was that the shikigami was merely a program running on the Ran. Now we find out that the shikigami IS Ran, who is a full operating system that has completely taken over another system.

>>15560065
>Only her backstory has changed.
And this isn't a big deal how?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560070
>that has completely taken over another system
Fox youkai aren't systems.

[Anonymous No.]

How would you feel if ZUN went over this stuff in more detail in one of the mangas?

Not reverting back on what the magazine said, but clarify, maybe even actually give backstory?

Or would it be a "Stop, she's already dead.." for you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560163
I don't care.

The only reason I'd care is that idiots wouldn't stop bitching about it.

[Anonymous No.]

Where did this new information come from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560163
More detail.
I liked Ran but now find her entire existence immoral. I need to find out what the fox was like pre shikigami. Otherwise she's Yoshika 2.0 and must be euthanized.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559616
Humans are parasites.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560279
Youkai pls go

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560269
Ran's existence was always fucked. Her whole reason for living is to be abused by the uber-hag, all this changes is that there's now a dubious fox girl in the mix.

[Anonymous No.]

malware

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560384
botnet*

[Anonymous No.]

Apologize to Seiga!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559776
>dressed as Marisa

[Anonymous No.]

From what I read of it I think there's two different interpretations that you can get from what's written. Since I'm not good with words, have a picture I made in MSpaint instead I guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560404
The little foxy was not the only one that disguised herself as Marisa. There was a bake tanuki, too that did the same thing.

[None No.]

I haven't been on /jp/ in a while, what is this stuff about Ran about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560505
Ran is Mokoto Kusanagi apparently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560505
Read this.
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Strange_Creators_of_Outer_World/Who%27s_Who_of_Humans_%26_Youkai_in_Gensokyo/Yukari_Yakumo,_Ran_Yakumo,_and_Chen
Ran is not the fox. The fox have her consciousness taken from her and a parasite named Ran is controlling her.

[Anonymous No.]

what's to stop Yukari from mass-producing Rans?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560519
She does, it's mentioned that she has many shikigami, Ran is just the most powerful one because better hardware

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560520
>You will never have your very own mass-produced zombie foxgirl

why live

[None No.]

>>15560516
Oh wow

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560395
Seiga isn't too bad in comparison, she at least cares for Yoshika and tries to help her.

[Anonymous No.]

this is some pretty heavy stuff for Ran fans. I wonder why he decided to elaborate more on her story.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560562
He got tired of secondary waifufags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560519
Yukari have plenty of shikigamis, but only Ran have a top tier body.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560633
do you have a single fact to back that up

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560633
You mean Ran is controlling a top tier body

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560639
Yukari used the corpses of two ravens in Cage in Lunatic Runagate as shikigami hosts to spy on the Lunar Capital.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560406
Helpful. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560516
Stop using the term parasite you big fucking baby

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560706

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560713
Because people are being idiots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560706
>>15560718
The fox is controlled by an entity that was originally outside of her, so yes, shikigami are parasites. Picture and video related, it's Ran.
https://youtu.be/Go_LIz7kTok

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560731
No, it's a control scheme. It may not even be "alive" in the usual sense, with how often it's referred to as programming.

You don't even know whether or not the fox wanted this. Being a shikigami has benefits.

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>>15560731
Shikigami are no more parasites than a hypnotic suggestion is. They're not a creature. They're not coherent by themselves. They're a mental framework being imposed on an existing brain.

If you want actual parasites in Touhou, try phantoms and vengeful spirits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560562
Its actually the most interesting info to come out for this character. I like her more now. Waifufags who only liked her fox body are selfdestructing and its hilarious

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560516
>>15560731
>>15559616
Ran is not a parasite. Parasites feed off their hosts to provide nourishment for themselves, to the detriment of the host. Ran is just a self-aware operating system installed on a partition of a fox's brain. Whether or not the fox was formatted previously is not known, but theoretically she could be restored or boot from her original partition, and live with all the new powers that Ran had developed for her body. In fact we don't even know how old Ran is now, since previously we only went by the age of her body, so it's possible that Yukari installed a shikigami onto a newly-born fox and raised it to this current ability over 800+years. You guys are basically crying about some guy installing Linux on his Macbook.

[Anonymous No.]

from where this ran parasite thing came from? its just another touhou meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560795
The only meme here is you, buddy

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559616

Wait...so Ran...isn't actually the fox? Are you suggesting two minds one body here!?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559616
No, Ran is a hardworking girl with a loving child. It's her master that's the parasite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560564

But he actually reinforces that despite being programmed, Ran is a gentle being who wouldn't willingly attack others without provocation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560858
What a lovely parasite

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560839
except the original mind never surfaces

[Anonymous No.]

So is this the new fortune teller? Constant threads about this, presumably for the forseeable future?

[Anonymous No.]

Parasite would imply that the "host" contributed anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560874
This is what happens when you get no new content for months or years at a time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560792
The only issue with our current definition is what would a "shikigami" consider nourishment?

The fox's will is entirely superimposed by an a parasite that desires it's continued existence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560893
It's not a parasite, it's a program. Do you feel your OS?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560893
Shikigami don't have desires. That would suggest they have real personality, which they don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560898
>Do you feel
FEED

damn it!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560789
Their crying is stupid as hell because the character is still there. Ran didn't go anywhere.
All that got introduced is that there's some nameless fox that's the groundwork. Everything we've ever seen or interacted with has been Ran.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560904
But they do? As a shiki Ran definitely has her own desires.
Otherwise Extra wouldn't have happened, among other things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560898
You're a bit too attached to that analogy, the issue here is that there is or was an original mind which is not the case with computers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559616
Ran is not a parasite, she is a spirit controling the body of a fox girl programmed by yukari.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560930
>You're a bit too attached to that analogy
I'm not. This is how she's always been described. Did you like...read anything or play the games?

>>15560926
She doesn't. The Extra was Yukari setting her up to perform duties beyond her capabilities. It wasn't desire but duty. In her free time, she basically computes and measures things. She's barely an AI, though Yukari wants her to be a full on AI.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559616
>However, since the original fox never shows on the surface at all, there's no problem in thinking of Ran Yakumo as a nine-tailed fox.

Wow, it's fucking nothing.

Ran is still Ran at the end of the day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560942
Before you even start projecting, that type of description is known as an analogy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560958
Not sure where to begin with this reply.

I'll just say again that shikigami have always been described with programming terms.

So shut up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560942
What? Extra had Ran doing something without orders to do so, and afterwards being chastised for acting on her own whims.
Seems like her own desires to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560969
Yukari also literally WANTS her to act on her own and would prefer it.

She's a fickle and whimsical youkai so I'm not surprised that she still punished her slave for doing exactly what she wants it to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560966
Since I'm the bigger man, I'll let that slide.

How do you feel about the potential free will violation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560301
That's Ran.
Now an additional soulis involved. Either enslaved totally or murdered.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560984
I doubt Yukari would enslave anyone fully (ignoring how the human village works)

She probably offered the fox power in exchange for control, and the fox agreed.

It's definitely powerful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560979
I can easily see that being the case with Yukari, I'm just saying Ran does have her own personality with its own preferences. They do take after the body, though.
Remember when Rinnosuke's tofu disappeared?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560969
This has been said in this thread already, but Yukari is an old person trying to use a computer. She doesn't quite know what she wants or what the computer is capable of. Ran isn't the only shikigami she mistreats, either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560992
Head canon then? That's fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561001
Shiki!Ran does have its own preferences, and they are in fact directly stated to be an influence of the body. So yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561001
I think rather than a personality it's just the illusion of such. Given the following:

1) Shikigami are based on math formulae, the more complex the "better"
2) Yukari made Ran
3) Yukari is a GENIUS (allegedly), noted with math among other things
4) Yukari wants an AI out of her shikigami (she wants it to operate on its own, maybe because she like the idea, maybe because she's horribly lazy)
5) It's a fox body

I'd say Yukari might have programmed Ran in a way that makes it seem like she has a will of her own.

>>15561004
Hey dumbass, did I say for even a single fucking second "this is definitely the case"?

You asked for my opinion, retard. I gave it. I said "I doubt" and "probably".

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561018
It's beyond the point of "seems like," though.
If she's doing things that Yukari didn't anticipate and acts on her own whenever not on tasks, I think the difference is moot.
Hell, Chen is a "lesser" shikigami crafted by one not so versed as Yukari, and yet is just as independent (if unreliable.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559616
Takes one to know one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561042
Is a program that seems like a real person NOT an indication of well-done programming?

Funnily, I think since Ran made Chen, that explains why Chen is fairly independent: a program crafted by another program is probably going to be somewhat shoddy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561053
A shoddy program is going to either do what you tell it to to the letter, or just crash in interesting ways.
Anyway I think this is going into territory the analogy doesn't really work well for, honestly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561067
I guess with Chen what I'm getting at is that perhaps utter assimilation didn't quite take place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561078
Yes, Chen isn't as powerful as Ran is.
She's weak to water just like the bakeneko, and so the bakeneko comes out when wet.
The personality does not change, however.

[........ No.]

>>15561067
>A shoddy program is going to either do what you tell it to to the letter, or just crash in interesting ways.
Chen does both, amirite?
That much cute is elegant coding tho imho.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561098
Everyone likes cute things.
Even fox shikigami.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561119
Computers can be cute too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559616
The shikigami will never leave the Fox body so Ran might as well be a fox girl just like ZUN said.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561137
Pretty much.
>the fox never surfaces
>Ran is everything that's ever been depicted for her
>Ran has fox habits anyway
Ultimately Ran and the fox are the same for all intents and purposes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561147
>Ran is everything that's ever been depicted for her
Programmed by Yukari

>Ran has fox habits anyway
Taken from the kitsune.

Remember, touch fluffy tail.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561176
>Programmed by Yukari
And everyone is dictated by ZUN.

[Anonymous No.]

beep boop what is love?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561210
Come on, you're supposed to be the know-it-all around here.
Unless you'd prefer a demonstration.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561210
Is the Fox girl's body the one of a virgin?

[Anonymous No.]

Yukari should get more kitsunes and program them as sex toy and sell them to the human village.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561210
Baby don't reboot me

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561241
Yucurry has no need for your feeble human currency.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559616
Was ZUN drunk when he explained her backstory?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561269
Anon, have a fox youkai brothel in the human village would strengthen the spirituality of a lot of youkai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561296
;) muh dik

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561296
But that would Upset the Balance™.
Then Reimu would have to go on a murdering spree and nobody wants that to happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561306
Have a human soap land next to the kitsune brothel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561137
This. ZUN said you could consider them one and the same. Her mind and her habits are still "Ran", and the body is basically hers too.

Yukari is incredibly powerful which is why she can control a shikigami as powerful as Ran, and why Ran is more competent and can act on her own more often than Chen.

[Anonymous No.]

It was likely the Fox's choice to become this way anyway.
I highly doubt Yukari forced this upon the Fox either, she even asked Aya if Aya wanted to be her Shikigami once as well.

The Fox never survices because it probably feels it has no need nor reason to.

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>>15561350
That was the case in Ran's Perfect Memento in Strict Sense entry. But we now know what it truly entrails to become a shikigami. You loses your own conscientiousness and your body is used by a computer. No wonder why a very old Youkai like Aya said no. But thinking about a shikigami using the body of a very old tengu (beings that can easily become hermits thanks to all the spirituality they receives) is a scary thought.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561368
Well it can't be that awful or cat-Chen would give a shit.
But she doesn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561368
I wouldn't call becoming a Shikigami losing your conscientiousness.
To me, it seems more liking gaining another mind, one that just submits to another entity, and sharing it in one body. You can eject it and take control if you want, but in the Fox's terms, it just doesn't care to.

Also Aya didn't really fully understand the Shikigami thing when Yukari was explaining it to her in BAiJR, she just saw Yukari beating a her pet fox and called it animal abuse.

[Anonymous No.]

So Ran is data?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561770
Ran is a botnet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561798
I thought she was more of an ad-hoc network

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561798
I want Ran to corrupt me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561770
DATABASE DATABASE

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559616
>Be careful though: Ran Yakumo is strictly the shikigami, and the nine-tailed fox youkai she is possessing is an entirely different being. However, since the original fox never shows on the surface at all, there's no problem in thinking of Ran Yakumo as a nine-tailed fox.
ZUUUUUUUUN
He's been fucking reading 'kumo desu ka' hasnt he?

My fanfiction is ruined
The best non-H touhou doujin is NOW FUCKING RUINED

[Anonymous No.]

>>15562056
You say that like the doujins were ever canon to begin with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559679
>>15560035
> As she is vulnerable to water both while possessed and in her original state, splashing water on her will dispel the shikigami.

this will be interesting

[Anonymous No.]

>>15562092
>Getting touched by water dispels her shikigami possession.
>while not being possessed, neither her appearance nor personality changes
Not really.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15562028
JUST LIVING IN THE DATABASE

[Anonymous No.]

>>15562101
>implying deadcat mode wont be perfect for doujinshi

[Anonymous No.]

>>15562238
She's not dead, just wet.
And pissed.
Because she's a bakeneko and you just threw water on her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15562133
WOW WOW

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559684
Do we even know that Ran is a separate personality? Maybe it's just the way the fox behaves while it's enslaved that is called 'Ran'.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559996
This is pretty arousing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15562798
>entirely different being

[Anonymous No.]

I don't follow you people. What happened to Ran? (source) (wait, Chen too!)

[Anonymous No.]

Watercooling

[Anonymous No.]

>>15562909
From a recent publication of Strange Creators of Outer World.
>Ran Yakumo is strictly the shikigami, and the nine-tailed fox youkai she is possessing is an entirely different being. However, since the original fox never shows on the surface at all, there's no problem in thinking of Ran Yakumo as a nine-tailed fox.
This means less than some people think it does. Pretty much just adds backstory, as Ran remains Ran.

>Like Ran, Chen is actually "the shikigami possessing a bakeneko", but in her case the possessed bakeneko is a clearly distinct being. As she is vulnerable to water both while possessed and in her original state, splashing water on her will dispel the shikigami.
This one's kinda weird since Chen's profile in PCB says there's no difference in personality between "possessed" and "non-possessed" Chen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15562926

So... let me see if I got it right: the real "them" are "spirits", and they are possesing the bodies of animals? (is that kinda comparable to what a tsukomogami is? it just popped out from my head. don't mind me)

Well about Chen.. it's a lost cause to me anyway haha. I barely know she does sorcery! I don't pay attention to her, so I can say "I don't know her".

Thanks! I appreciate your precise answer!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563031
Kinda, but tsukomogami are spirits from an inanimate object accumulating power with age.
A shikigami is a servant spirit, summoned to help their masters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15562921
That's hot water.

[Anonymous No.]

So how do you think the fox girl underneath Ran doing?
[ ] Eternal waking nightmare under the puppet strings of the shikigami
[ ] Asleep
[ ] Aware but permissive/apathetic

[Anonymous No.]

Since people here are throwing a shitfit, I wonder how Tumblr reacted to this

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563534
My money is on Asleep, but permissive is just as likely.
The first one is unlikely given that Chen's bakeneko can come out on occasion, but she's not having any existential fits or anything like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15562056
>The best non-H touhou doujin
What was it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563534
My money is on it being awake but submerged into the Ran identity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563550
Tumblr has a touhou community? Sounds like the grounds for bad fanart and terrible opinions

[Anonymous No.]

You still love her, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564162
I never did to be quite desu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564069
For every bad fanarts, there's 10 Japanese artists posting their work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563534
[x] Aware but permissive/apathetic

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560406
That model is very nice.

I think that the case is that B Model is the right one. Yukari created a "mind" and put on the fox's body, so it can obey Yukari, and Ran did the same with Chen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563619
gonna take a wild and guess that he talked about Yukari vs Ran series

[Anonymous No.]

Hard rebooting Ran!
Booting up the original fox instead of Ran!
Being thanked by the original fox with sex after being freed after 800 years!
Watching as an angry and vengeful fox youkai carves a path of destruction through Gensokyo with Ran's powers!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559679

Lots of questions.

If a shikigami is dispelled, is it destroyed in the process?
Assuming one of her shikigami were to be destroyed, would Yukari be able to recreate it and would she even want to do so? (What if she could make a more powerful minion from scratch?)
We're the shikigami dispelled, could the host body escape?

Shikigami are supposed to be lacking in free will. Do Ran and Chen act with some degree of autonomy or are they puppets like Alice's dolls?

It is implied that Yukari wishes Ran would act more of her own free will. Why would she want this?

Even humans can be used as host vessels for shikigami. Has Yukari possessed any people to do her bidding? Is she herself a shikigami (possibly, Maribel being the body and Yukari the entity possessing her).

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564395
Shikigami Ran is powerful due to Yukari's link.

without it, the kitsune is maybe strong enough to be and stage 5 boss.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564450
Then why is Yuyuko a stage 1 boss?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564457
She was merely pretending

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564162
I always hate her.

but is funny to see how her fan base is crawling his own skin cause of that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564162
Ran was never super high up on my list but I actually like her more now. She has a much more interesting backstory now and she's functionally no different than before.

Hilarious to see waifufags shitting themselves over nothing though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564431
Yukari probably has backups.

Also, Shikigami have more autonomy than Alice's dolls.

Yukari wants Ran to act more of her own free will because Yukari wants to achieve a full independent AI.

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder how those "Mama Ran" people feel about this. Although I thankfully haven't seen one of those threads in a while.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564561
Hopefully they stop posting forever, but I fear they'll just find a new 2hu to project their complexes on

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564561
It's not explicitly said that Ran's programming doesn't involve taking some degree of care of Chen. The fact that Chen exists at all hints at such a thing being incorporated into Ran's framework.

However, without very specific instructions on how to be a "mama Ran," I don't think shiki!Ran would do a very good job. It only has the kyuubi's experiences and skills to draw on for independent action, and kitsune aren't exactly renowned for being good parents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564650
Yukari programmed her to be the best mom ever@

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564650
Yukari programmed her to be the best mom ever!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564650
>kitsune aren't exactly renowned for being good parents
Dude what.
A good chunk of their mythological tales involve them being loving wives in disguise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564561
This shouldn't change anything for Mama Ran because that interpretation was always head canon. I even like the mother/daughter pictures of Ran and Chen, but it's pure fandom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564744
A good wife isn't necessarily a good mother, and I remind you that Touhou kitsunes are apparently so bad about educating their kids the kids have to sneak into the Human Village to learn stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559616
You people are thinking too much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564431
No, only suppressed. Otherwise Chen would disappear forever the first time she got caught in the rain.
Probably the only ways to terminate the setup are death or dismissing of the shikigami by Yukari.

They do have some free will. They act independently when not on orders, though as shikigami they desire to fulfill orders given. Even when given orders they're the ones carrying them out, Yukari doesn't need to guide them.
That would defeat half the purpose for her anyway (so she can be a lazybones.)

Because Yukari is Gensokyo's Most Bored Person.

Anything here is 100% speculation. If we haven't seen or heard about it, it hasn't happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564782
It's based around Ran's gentle personality and her defensiveness of Chen.
It's certainly less of a stretch than most fanon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564162
Why would I not?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564318
you would be right

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564431
>>15564506
This is more or less my interpretation of why Yukari wants Ran to gave more free will as well.

If Ran can't function without Yukari (much like Chen is much weaker without Ran) or she needs Yukari's instructions on everything then she won't be as useful if something unexpected happens. Ran being more independent will give her more ability to adapt to changing situations. If Ran is more of an AI then she can tend to business while Yukari sleeps or schemes or runs off with Reimu to solve an incident. She will still be loyal but can act without instruction. Yukari being as powerful as she is is one reason why Ran can do these things. Ran is powerful but not exceptionally so, so Chen's growth is at a much slower pace (as a result Ran is more protective of Chen as seen in PCB)

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564853
Really
All the non-H doujins out there and you choose THAT one?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564999
Fuck you.

YvsR was a good series

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563534
Either asleep or permissive. "Eternal nightmare" makes no sense given what we know about Chen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15565010
I suppose I'd then ask you why you're upset over it being "ruined" when it wasn't anywhere in the vicinity of canon to begin with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564457
Because she was fucking around, since, you know, Yuyuko.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15565042
>hurr muh canon

First, I am not the dude you were talking.

second. I don't give a shit about Ran or her fan base.
I just came here to said YvsR was a good shit. its all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15565153
Then the other character could have been fucking around too.
danmaku isn't equal to how strong a character is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15565161
Isn't 100% accurate but power is necessary to make a powerful danmaku.

That's Why Seija can't take over Gensokyo without cheating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15565199
Danmaku is supposed to be pretty, not strong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15565199
Seija just has shit taste so she can't do it properly

[Anonymous No.]

>>15565214
This. Seija's danmaku is more reliant on fucking with your controls than on beautiful patterns.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15565214
>>15565225
You have shit taste

[Anonymous No.]

>>15565203
power is necessary to make a BEAUTIFUL danmaku.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15565228
Did you even play DDC?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15565241
Is that why Junko's looks like shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15565243
git gud

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561393
>she just saw Yukari beating a her pet fox and called it animal abuse
so, is the same that hitting the old tv when you want fix it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15566304
Yukari is sure old!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15566304
More like disciplinary spankings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564457
same why sagume is stage 4 boss

[Anonymous No.]

>>15566304
Classic psych majors.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15566350
Hey, my dad is a geology major and he does the same with all electronic stuff that it's malfunctioning, and it usually works pretty well

[Anonymous No.]

>>15566325
Because she sucks?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15566541
Geology is just psychology on a planetary scale.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567285
Best post of the year right there, god damn.

[Anonymous No.]

Rare picture of youkai

[Anonymous No.]

Ran is not a parasite! She has a symbiotic relationship with my cock!

[Anonymous No.]

How would you feel if 'Ran' was purged by Reimu or Mamizou or something and the Fox became a completely different character?

[Anonymous No.]

So what happens when Ran get's pregnant?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567845
It would be shit, since it would be killing an established character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567845
She'd just turn back into the rampaging beast which the fox once was.

[Anonymous No.]

I like Ran, and also like this if only for the plot hooks it provides. Burt one thing that really bugs me is how ZUN implies that Ran is a mindless puppet programmed by Yukari with no true feelings or personality of her own. That's practically turning her into a non-character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567885
She's not a mindless puppet. Yukari beat the shit out of her in public for acting on her own one time, so she definitely has the capacity for independent thought.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567885
I feel like you're tying to upset yourself.
Nowhere does ZUN imply that her personality is dictated by Yukari. It's the orders she dictates.
Remember, Ran is a shikigami advanced to the point where she sometimes forgets that she is one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564650
>It's not explicitly said that Ran's programming doesn't involve taking some degree of care of Chen.

But she doesn't take care of Chen. She just took some catgirl and brainwashed her with a shikigami and controls that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567915
>But she doesn't take care of Chen.
Do you even play the games?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559825
It's how shikigami are usually depicted as working, isn't it?

>The samurai [of this setting] are those people who have surrendered their physical bodies to become a vessel for binding a shiki spirit. The shiki possesses their body and at the command of the user, it erupts into action. The possessed samurai is like the rider of a wild bull; the shiki obeys the samurai's will and acts exactly as the samurai wishes, but the relationship always teeters at the brink of the limits of control.
>Onmyoji also often create a secret keyword to activate or deactivate a samurai, known only between the onmyoji and samurai. If this keyword is known by another, they could use it to activate, deactivate, or perhaps even control the samurai. Onmyoji use these keywords so that they are not attacked by their own creations. Samurai can also use these keywords to activate or deactivate their shiki if they feel they are losing control of their bodies.
>- Tenra Bansho Zero, p199-200

[Anonymous No.]

Ran isn't a mindless puppet, and she doesn't only obey Yukari's orders. She even calculated the width of the Sanzu river because she was bored. She's looks more like a fox that is using her "new"-acquired power (from Yukari) to pass time/have fun than being a mindless parasite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567915
I was using the term vaguely. Whatever Ran's relationship with Chen, it has to be either an effect of her programming or the kitsune's instincts working out to the surface.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>15568919
Make no mistake, the fox and Ran are different entities.
However, ZUN pretty much says that, since Ran behaves as is befitting for a fox and the original fox itself never actually shows up, Ran IS the fox as far as anyone is concerned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567850
Yukari rips off the kid.

and Seiga use it as danmaku

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569243
How will Yukari rip off a newborn kid who has no money?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569243
Don't you slander Yukari like that!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569243
I now kinda wish to see a spell card consisting of throwing babies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567845
That would be shit, it would kill an established character AND deprive Yukari of two of the people in her clan making it so she gets even more active and meddling

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569405
Seiga already has one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569345
Yukari a shit

a big one

a great one.

But I want to put my hot glue between those soft melons

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569335
Nothing is impossible to Yukari.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569450

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567874
As if those rampaging beasts weren't turned into cute sapient girls already, face it, the fox might have been civilized and "Ran" is just a method of command input and overall subjugation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569526
hurr you're stronger than me, but in the next move you, your sister and your master lose the war.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569434
Just the name.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569633

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any art that takes our new understanding of Ran into account?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15570168
>new understanding of Ran
We've known that Ran is a shikigami for years. We've also known how shikigami work since the early chapters of CoLA. This is in no way new information.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15570172
I suppose you could say the "there's a dormant fox" is new.
But that's kinda difficult to do anything with, especially when Ran already behaves like one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15570178
>"there's a dormant fox"
Is there? Does ZUN say anything about a fox, dormant or otherwise? Or is this just an overreaction from Ran fans?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15570184
I happen to be one of those fans.
>Ran Yakumo is strictly the shikigami, and the nine-tailed fox youkai she is possessing is an entirely different being.
>However, since the original fox never shows on the surface at all, there's no problem in thinking of Ran Yakumo as a nine-tailed fox.
The fox is essentially a non-factor, so it's really just giving us some background on Ran.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559986
In base pi, it's 1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559616
KUSO THREAD

[Anonymous No.]

Splash this kitten with water

[Anonymous No.]

>>15575729
>her personality does not change
B-bravo ZUN?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15575729
>her personality does not change
B-bravo ZUN?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564069
Oooooh my fucking the Tumblr 2hu community is in the deepest of SJW pits. Mainly due to the fact that there are no male characters and "muh lesbians"

[Anonymous No.]

So, Ran is a program created by Yukari.
A program that shows some level of independence.
Yukari continues to try to make Ran even more independent.
Said program is also capable of creating other programs that function similarly.

My question is, what is the over-under on Yukari eventually creating Skynet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576504
I'm not sure why so many are deferring to this "Ran is an AI project" idea, Zun is a math major and used technical terms to describe an inherently spiritual and Japanese concept in his setting.
As for your theory, I just don't see Yukari thinking that far ahead, it's all the more likely she's just being capricious and wishing the world from something with potential set limitations, not to mention those reading too hard into a case of abuse and a remark on Ran being boring.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576518
I mean, she IS pushing Ran to act on her own. You can see as much in the CiLR chapter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576548
Be a bit specific please, it's 188 pages long.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576592
Chapter 5.
You know, the one featuring Ran and Yukari.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15559616
I want to install Ran on my calculator!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564162
used to be in my top list, but how can I like her now when I know it's just a parasite infesting a cute body?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15577223
It's her body now

[Anonymous No.]

>>15577223
Yeah, in the same way your brain is a parasite on your body.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Charming Domination makes sense now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15578566
>Charming Domination

[Anonymous No.]

>>15578479
The thickest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15578586
I'm sorry, I just use a shitty translation in my games because I can't read anything past kana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15577678

I never knew that my body had a different owner before my brain.

[Anonymous No.]

>Yukari pretty much killed a cute fox girl and put some magic AI in her body
>lol guys no biggie! It's the same character!

Seriously?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15578938
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15578938
>It's the same character!
Well, it is. We've always known Ran, and she continues to be Ran.
No amount of meme arrowing is going to change that fact.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15578958

Your waifu is a program hijacking a body that belongs to someone else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15579153
You say it like those someones care.
See: Chen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15578586
>>15578745
Translating 妖々 ("Youyou") as "Youkai" isn't much better than "Charming". Especially when it's translated as "Ghostly" in the title of the game, and as "Mystical" in some of the other song titles.

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Perfect_Cherry_Blossom/Music#Translation_of_.E5.A6.96.E3.80.85.E8.B7.8B.E6.89.88

[Anonymous No.]

>>15579307
Oh, thank you. So neither of them is completely wrong, nor completely right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15578479
I normally love this artist, but the tits in this pic look pretty bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15578479
The guy that draws these is my fucking hero

[Anonymous No.]

>>15580168
He git gud just to draw his waifu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15580187
Incredible improvement, but why did he forget how to draw Ran's hat?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15578479
>>15580168
>>15580187
Thank god, I was afraid I wouldn't be able to vomit today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15580556
There anon, another guy getting gud.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15580567
>>15580187
Spend hours to draw a waifu who is a lie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15580582
The only lies are the misinterpretations people created for themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15578938
Ran is still Ran.
The nature of Ran changed, but that doesn't change that the person that is interacting with the heroines is still the same she always was.

[Anonymous No.]

So if this parasite would get a baby would it be a child of the poor fox host body or the parasite?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15581649
Genetics doesn't really care about your mental 'software', so the nature part would be Fox, but presumably the resulting child would view Ran and its mother as one and the same thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>15581715
I mean, Ran is the fox now as far as ZUN is concerned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15581722
Ran is the program.
The fox is a fox Yukari installed RanOS on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15581727
>there's no problem in thinking of Ran Yakumo as a nine-tailed fox.
t. ZUN

[Anonymous No.]

>>15581731
Well, yeah.
The fox is braindead, RanOS has taken over all of the fox' functions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15581737
The point being that Ran is the fox as far as anyone gives a shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15581757
Well, yeah.
But Ran is not a fox.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15581762
It's a moot point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15561350

>she even asked Aya if Aya wanted to be her shikigami

That was a threat, not an offer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560070
In that case, is Ran vulnerable to exploit kits and backdoor Trojans? So we could retrieve the original fox back

[Anonymous No.]

>>15581799
No it wasn't, Yukari was simply asking Aya to become one to see and understand what happened from Yukari and Ran's point of view.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15581918

She was telling Aya that she could make her a total prisoner in her own body, unable to do anything except scream inside her mind until such time as she went beyond total insanity and her original mind completely dissolved. Of course it's a threat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15582023
What are you even talking about

[Anonymous No.]

>>15582029
What do you think becoming a shikigami entails you nitwit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15582023
I think you need to reread the section.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15582032
Okay
1. This whole parasite deal would imply that the relationship isn't benecial when clearly to the fox, it is. As it's becoming even more powerful by being Yukari's servant and potentially as powerful as her just by being an errandboy.

2. The Cat comes out like 24/7 for Chen and if it didn't want to be a Shikigami, ZUN would have spoken up. So there is no "being locked away/I have no mouth and I must scream situation". Which implies that the Fox can come out if it wants, but just doesn't.

3. The whole article and interview is Aya acting like an angry nitwit who refused to understand things from someone else's point of view that wasn't her own as well as refusing (or just being generally unable) to comprehend what's being explained to her.

4. Ran once even said she was happy as a shikigami, whether or not she was speaking on the Fox's behalf is for debate. But clearly, nobody is being forced into this, which Yukari showed by simply offering Aya. Likely what she did with the Fox, and Ran with the Cat.

5. stop

[Anonymous No.]

So what happens to Ran when the fox dies?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564162
I like her even more now, she's a much more interesting character this way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15582047
>1.
Stifled free will in exchange for power assuming it was an exchange at all.
>2.
ZUN avoids rocking the boat like any sensible Japanese especially if it interferes with fanon creation, he's quite notorious for deficient characterization. OChen came out entirely on a fluke thanks to being wet.
>4.
Servant + powerful master = happy
The original fox mind has never surfaced in any meaningful way on screen so this is null.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15582053
It Rans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15582023
t. Edgy Gensokyo

[Anonymous No.]

>>15582094
>Stifled free will in exchange for power assuming it was an exchange at all.

That depends on whether or not the Fox's or Ran's freewill is really "stifled"
I wouldn't call it stifled on grounds that Yukari simply uses her for doing errands and managing the border while she's sleeping.
It sounds more like simply getting a job and the power is your paycheck.

>ZUN avoids rocking the boat like any sensible Japanese especially if it interferes with fanon creation, he's quite notorious for deficient characterization. OChen came out entirely on a fluke thanks to being wet.

As opposed to that whole post about being taken over, controlled and going insane in your mind not rocking the boat?
Because in no way, that was ever said to be true either, if it was then he would've thrown in the Cat or Fox being this way against its will. And even if ZUN actually cared about fanon creation (as if it really matters here) he probably wouldn't have thrown this backstory in.

The point is, the Fox isn't locked away in its head for a "parasite" to take control, just like the Cat resurfaces, the Fox can too. The Cat just comes out if it gets wet, who knows however the Fox does it but just doesn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15582122

But it's not Edgy Gensokyo, it's canon. I'm sorry if it's not to your taste - if you want 'cute girls' who are willing to be your wife, then I suggest you get into Kantai Collection.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15582161
So just because it's canon does not mean it's edgy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15582161
>she could make her a total prisoner in her own body, unable to do anything except scream inside her mind until such time as she went beyond total insanity and her original mind completely dissolved
Nothing about this has been confirmed as canon whatsoever. You don't know if the fox youkai is "screaming and going insane" in some kind of eternal hell or if its consciousness is just asleep, or just gone.

Considering Chen doesn't go through an existential crisis every time she gets hit with water I think you're just full of shit.

Gensokyo is dark because it's a youkai-filled hellhole, you don't need to try and twist it to make it more edgy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15582152

The cat resurfaces because the shikigami that inhabits it is a poorly-made and poorly-bonded thing made by another shikigami. So of course the original cat can occasionally manage to take control again, but the original always manages to reassert itself.

>>15582166

I'm just saying it's canon, as opposed to this 'Edgy Gensokyo'-type label secondaries will use to try and ignore or deny the fact.

[Anonymous No.]

Gensokyo is plenty edgy, there is a person who has killed an entire world and everything that lives there after all, but this "edgy Gensokyo" shit has to stop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15582183

We are, of course, talking about a many-tailed fox, one of the most powerful kinds of youkai normally, here. I don't imagine a proud and powerful youkai would simply give up its body and mind to serve another unquestioningly, so I imagine its mind would have at least tried to fight off such an assault. Given ZUN said 'the original fox never surfaces', that implies that the fox's consciousness is still there in some capacity, so from that we can assume that it is present, and has either been forcibly been made dormant, or that it is fully aware of what's happened but cannot do anything to affect its situation. That said, I can also imagine a situation in which, unable to escape and unable to die even though it wished for it, the fox eventually stopped thinking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15582152
Ran explicitly doesn't count, she is the foreign entity and a method of control input.
>the fox just doesn't resurface
Does this raise any flags or sound any alarms for you?
It's clear that if ORan rebelled at any point, it's been long since quelled by the sheer potential lifespan difference between bakeneko and kyuubi. My conclusion is that OChen is a recent conquest and hasn't been fully dominated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15582198
This is still entirely headcanon. You have no idea if the youkai was about to die, or what circumstances led to it becoming a shikigami.

All you've said is a bunch of things prefaced by "i imagine" and "we assume". This is no different than all the people who thought Ran was some cute fluffy mother fox and got angry that their headcanon wasn't real.

>>15582184
Gensokyo is plenty dark already, you don't need to push your personal ideas about things being mindfucked and tortured into it when there's no evidence of a "i have no mouth and I must scream" situation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15582198
>>15582201
You're totally implying Yukari forced this to begin with when clearly that isn't the case. Yukari likely offered it power, like she tried with Aya, but unlike Aya, the Fox actually agreed. That can be theorized but as Yukari offered Aya a choice, it can be assumed she did with the Fox and Ran with the Cat as well.

>Given ZUN said 'the original fox never surfaces', that implies that the fox's consciousness is still there in some capacity, so from that we can assume that it is present, and has either been forcibly been made dormant, or that it is fully aware of what's happened but cannot do anything to affect its situation.

Or simply because it just has no need nor reason to, it was offered and given power, why throw that away?

If the Fox is so powerful it can simply assume direct control if it wanted to, and with the power granted by Yukari why can't it? And at the same time, we don't know when it became a Shikigami, it could have been a weak as hell regular fox, one with 2, 3 or even 8.


Everything you're saying is based upon the belief that the Fox DIDN'T want to be Yukari's Shikigami and was forced to be installed with one, when such a thing was never said to begin it.

Touhou has its fair amount of darkness, but mindbreak shit like this isn't part of it, except maybe Koishi but she's a confusing case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15582198
>We are, of course, talking about a many-tailed fox, one of the most powerful kinds of youkai normally, here.
Also biologically immortal and far more intelligent than any human is likely to be. What makes you think the fox doesn't plan to come out of the deal better off than before? The cat doesn't seem to mind having shikigami installed on her when she surfaces after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15582260
Aya: 1000+ crow tengu belonging to the one type of youkai explicitly mentioned to have a bureaucratic system of government with a focus on privacy and information management, she also has a newspaper to run.

Chen: potential rogue or "independent" youkai but nothing explicit.

Ran: might have connections to the kitsune village but nothing canonical.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15580738
like Ranfags and his fluffy mother?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15582094
>ZUN avoids rocking the boat like any sensible Japanese especially if it interferes with fanon creation
Most incorrect statement of the day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15582762
Ran remains the gentle, protective sort she always was.
People chose to ignore that she was also a shikigami and were forcefully reminded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15583081
>Ran remains the gentle, protective sort she always was.
talking about misinterpretations...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15583121
>Fortunately, she has a gentle personality
>Her personality is gentle
Combine this with that she acts independently to defend Chen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15583140
Maybe she is gentle, but she is still a dork who spends more time doing useless math to being a good "mother".

[Anonymous No.]

>>15583185
I mean, she is at present not a mom. Chen doesn't really need it; she's childLIKE, but not actually one.
She does pretty well without Ran constantly stepping in for aid short of Reimu picking a fight.

Anyway, point was it's not a terribly large stretch for mamafags to treat Ran as such material.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15581776

So if ZUN said that Ran is actually a monster worm living in the fox's brain it wouldn't change anything either?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15583382
yes, because the fox is functionally dead

[Anonymous No.]

>>15583388

You are delusional.

[Anonymous No.]

Let's be honest for a moment.

Ran was always a mediocre nine-tailed fox. And her entire abuse thing was always a shitty piece of lore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15583406
The fox cannot act.
The fox exists only to provide a tangible body.
It does not change anything about who Ran is as a character. Ran is still the same Ran she always was, only the mechanics of her being have changed.
She can hardly be held accountable for her nature.

[Anonymous No.]

lol RANfags BTFO again

new thread when?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15583415

She is a parasitic program that stole a body from someone else.

You can pretend it's no big deal, but it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15583639
ZUN: (laughs)

[Anonymous No.]

is shikigami + youkai the same as vengeful spirit + youkai?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15585881
No.
Vengeful spirit erases the original youkai.
Shikigami is a separate entity.

There's a reason they fear the former.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15585907
doesn't vengeful spirits posses the youkai and erase only it's mind?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15585931
That is erasing them.

[Anonymous No.]

I must say, then it's one lovely, motherly, charming and beautiful parasite.

[Anonymous No.]

touhou last confirmation will be all hakurei line is yukari shikigami as well, for example yukari was the only one until now who could make reimu train

[Anonymous No.]

>>15587503
No, it will be that Gensokyo is just a dollhouse in Maribel's room and Chen is a normal house cat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15587602
so second to last