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Another Umineko thread

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In a scale of 0 - 10 how shitty is the anime?

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>>15554400
Haven't watch it/10

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>>15554400
Endless nine

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>monochrome clock starts playing
>enjoying it a lot
>"turn that crap off Amakusa."
w-well, f-fuck you too Ange.

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>>15554436
I think Ryukishi likes that song too since it shows up again in both Rose Guns Days and Higanbana.

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Hay, it's that guy from the previous thread. I’ve gone away and had a think. This is surmised off guess work, repeated ‘BUT WAIT’ moments, and some wishful thinking. I’m going to go back and re-read 1-4 to try and test out these theories.

Bare in mind that I think that magic is bullshit. Magic is cruelty, it is suffering, it is endless greed, it is childlike denial of reality, it is merciless, and it is evil. Anything that crops up in a magical scenes, I’m going to regard as unreliable narrator. Pretty much most things that Beatrice says, I’m also going to regard as unreliable unless they are said in red. Although for some of these theories to work, a physical person called Beatrice has to be on the island, so it’s not definitive that all Beatrice appearances are fake outs. Also remember that my theories at the minute are pretty rough, I haven’t worked through the case. That and Battler has so far been less than Ace Attorney about getting Beatrice tied up, as such I’m going to trust what he observes, but really he’s wrong so fucking often I can only assume he’s there to lead the players off the scent.
With that said here we go;

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>The imposter theory
One of these things is not like the other; someone on the island has been murdered and replaced by Beatrice. This could have happened either before October 4 or during it, with the murder happening before the first twilight. This would also mean that Beatrice dies in character as an imposter, so for this theory we have to pick Beatrice out each time. It might be that different characters are impersonated each time before the first twilight. To prove this, I’m going to have to do a shitton of research, so right now it’s pretty thin on the ground.

>The split-personality theory
This one’s partially because this is one of my favourite tropes, partially because of something the witch EVA did. When she was using the Red truths like a machine gun, she mentioned Eva as something separate from herself in the Red. But she didn’t mention herself, or her child self which eventually became a witch. So I guess the question is; if someone had a split personality like Eva, but they were hiding it, would the Red show it? Not unless Battler directly asked (being the fucking idiot he is, he doesn’t). I actually believe at some point Battler does ask something like “Someone else with a split personality did it, like Eva!”, but Beatrice doesn’t perfectly answer him with something like “No-one else on Rokkejima has a split personality”, she says just dismisses that by physically eliminating it.
If we had to put a candidate up for a split personality, I’m putting up Rosa. I’m essentially saying that she’s hiding Beatrice inside her. My reasoning for this begins in 1967- she’s the only one of the Ushiroyma to see Beatrice other then Kinzo and to meet…whoever the fuck that was. It may have just been her as a little girl imaging things, or maybe she did actually kill the girl Kinzo was imprisoning. Then, wracked with guilt, created ‘Breatrice’. This actually has some more going for it, Rosa sometimes flies into a rage which seems pretty out of character/out of nowhere, and Maria calls her the ‘Bad witch’. Maybe the ‘Good’ Witch Beatrice is in there too, and comes out whenever they are at the Ushiroyma conference, when Rosa remembers Beatrice? That and Rosa must subconsciously know a shitton about the occult just from dealing with Maria all day. So she would be able to do drawings in Hebrew and the like. Also significant is that it’s Maria who recognises all of it, because she’s seen it before. It could be that Rosa just copies what she remembers from dealing with Maria’s magic.
But the Split-personality theory could work with any of the others characters (minus Battler), if my theory with the Red thing is true. Hell, maybe the Ushiroyma family’s blood has some defect that causes it? Or perhaps Kinzo is the king of being a shitty father, and he accidently damaged his children so badly more than one have a Split-personality?

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>The Maria theory
Now this one is a little far thatched. Basically, Maria + X is Beatrice. Whoever carried out the murders, they need to have a superficial knowledge of the occult. Magic isn’t real, but you don’t just learn how to write down Hebrew on the fly. Someone masquerading as Beatrice has duped Maria into aiding them kill everyone. But this requires Maria’s help, so whoever has been pretending to be Beatrice has been buttering Maria up at the family conference for years. I’ve only recently thought of this one, so it’s going to need some more development.

And there we have it, my initial theories. I’ll repeat that I haven’t put them to the grindstone yet of proving each of the cases and defeating each of the Closed rooms using this theory. But I have an idea of where I am going, so hopefully with a re-read I can comeback with a definitive theory with proof up the ass.
I will acknowledge that I’m basically not suspecting any of the grand-children here (expect tangentially Maria), but I basically can’t envision a scenario in which they are the killers. The rest seem fair game though (apart from Kumasawa, she’s too old to do any of this shit).

I still don’t know what happens that kills Battler at 24:00 at October 5th, Or what Battler did in 1980 that Beatrice is so ass hurt over. I’m going to need to figure these out to come to any satisfactory answer about who Beatrice is.

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>>15554507
>>15554514
Whoops, missed one.

>The furniture conspiracy
This theory goes something like this- Beatrice isn’t a person, but a group of people. You can probably guess who I am implicating here, Genji, Shanon and Kanon. They all believe in Beatrice being alive, they all buy Kinzo’s occultism, they are all familiar with it, and they all believe they are furniture who need to pass onto the ‘Golden land’. Practically, they all know the mansion inside and out, all have master keys, all are trusted (especially Genji) and all can move about in the mansion with little to no suspicion. As a group, they explain quite a few of the problems. Although practically there may be a few grey areas. Although this ‘group’ logic could apply to other characters, like a faction of the Ushiromiya family (say Rudolf, Eva and Rosa ganging up on Krauss as one possible example), Genji Shanon and Kanon are the most associated with the occult nature of the murders whilst being able to carry them out. This theory could hold that Nanjo and Godha are also involved, but since they are less into the occult I suspect them less.

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>>15554514
Tl;dr

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>>15554522
What if Beatrice is everyone on the island?
They`re all in together to troll Battler.
None of the murders are actually real. They just have access to a hollywood grade makeup artist and maybe a pile of fake bodies.

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Warning: You must be over the age of Episode 7 to view this post

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Is my understanding of magic correct? What I took from it is that magic is basically a shared delusion between two or more people. As long as at least two people believe in it, that magic can be seen as "real". Maria and Beatrice needed to form Marriage Sorciere in order to help reinforce each others' magic.

I think the Gold Truth is also a representation of this kind of magic. Ange is able to use the Gold Truth to contradict Bern's Red Truth and declare that everyone is still alive, and it works because that gold truth is a sacred unbreakable delusion shared by her and Battler. That's why she is able to visit everyone in the Golden Land at the end of ep8.

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>>15554631
The gold truth is just a guarantee of having reached the answer without having to tell others

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>>15554646

Yeah that's the official explanation, but I always got the feeling that there was some kind of double meaning behind the meta concepts in the game.

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Post your Ougon Musou Kyoku teams

410/Evatrice or 410/Jessica here

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>>15554728
Where can you get this game? Is it on PC?

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>>15554739
Yes, it's for PC. I don't know where you can buy it anymore outside of Japan, but there are probably torrents on nyaa if that's your preference.

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>>15554739
Yes

The online community is of, at most 10 players, though.

I think the west played it more than Japan in the end

classic fighting games are the cancer that are killing fighting games

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>>15554522
So, are you going to move on to ep5 or are you going to stew for a year until it gets on steam?

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>>15554804
Nah fuck that I'm going to do Chiru after I replay 1-4 and test out the theories.

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>>15554810
Hoh, that's an interesting individual.

I like you anon, I'm also gonna be watching over your progress in here.

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>>15554400
If you just consider it for the new good content it added it's real fucking nice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP896Z370Oo
Most underrated Umineko song ever. Easily in my top 3.

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>>15553902
>I'd been cool to have every character of the family a moment to kick-ass, and, particularly, I think Nanjo, Hideyoshi, Gohda, Krauss, Kumasawa and Genji were the ones who had less protagonism of the bunch.
>But I think the best part is what you said earlier, having a fight or some other type of scene that actually fits in the story, like a supposed Nanjo VS Kyrie in EP 7

I agree. Some of the characters really got neglected in terms of getting cool scenes. I'll definitely write some fight scenes and post them periodically in these threads in the future. And yes, I agree with your agreeing with me about the scenes actually happening in the story, and I'll try and make the scenes work in that way.

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Fucking savage

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Anyone else getting a bit sick of this anon pretending he's reading Umineko for the first time? Some of you seem to like it and indulge him, but why? Just to relive the story from the start through the eyes of a newcomer? That would be fun I suppose, yes, but this anon obviously has read Umineko before or has atleast gotten so many spoilers from these threads alone. It's all a facade, so why even reply to him?

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>>15554400
It gave us Damedame subs so it was worth it

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beato

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>>15554728
B.Battler/B.Battler and Lambda/Lambda.

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>>15555943

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I want EVAtrice to be my mommy!

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>>15556149
I want her to stick her staff in my butt and call me useless!

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>>15556168
This exact quote, except I want it to be Battler.

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>>15556073

10/10

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>>15556168
>>15556172
I'm getting slightly aroused. I wonder if writer-anon would write some porn next.

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>>15556073
>>15556178
Quick, everybody Paint your favourite/random character from memory. No looking at sprites.

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>>15556185
Genji brandishing his knife

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>>15556185

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>>15556185
Can you guess the scene?

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I suck at these

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can someone explain in episode 3 tips the "patterns" beatrice makes? also how she was revived as a personification of the rules in ep 6

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So how many months will it be until the voice patch for 1-4 is done?

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>>15556797
Post the tips.
The pattern is more obvious in ep 3. What is different before and after solving the epitaph? The main significant change.
Answer : Beatrice kills people in closed rooms. The 2nd murderer does not.

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>>15556797
Post the tips.
The pattern is more obvious in ep 3. What is different before and after solving the epitaph? The main significant change.
Answer : Beatrice kills people in closed rooms. The 2nd murderer does not.

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>>15556873
Endless nine.

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>>15554485
It really fits the style of Rose Guns Days.

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>>15554728

Rosa and Virgilia

Ultimate MILF team

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where do you guys live

I want to play omk

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>>15557420
I live on the moon.

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>>15557420
I'm in the US. I don't know about tonight but I would love to play this with some people. I'm not much of a fighting game person and I'm using a keyboard, but I'd love to play sometime.

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>>15557589
we'd have unplayable lag I think

I also have to reinstall it first

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>>15556185

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>>15556185

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>>15558191
Make a Hamburger.

>>15558256
What do you like about her?

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>>15558256
I forgot a lot of details. My memory is terrible.

>>15558285
While all the other witches are cruel psycho bitches, her appearing as a gentle and encouraging older mentor won me over a bit. Even after what happens at the end of Episode 3. Having her eyes open and looking extra mischievous is still bonus points. She seems so soft and relaxed.
And I like her hat and hime cut.

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>>15557764
Yuropoor here. I have past experience with melty, 13.2 and UNIEL, though never played Ougon before. If you give me like two days after whatever date to just master some BnBs, I'll be good to go
Is the netcode in Ougon legit enough in general or should I expect another pre-CCCaster AACC tier delay?

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>>15558355
That's probably because she's not a real witch and no one co-signed her acceptance of being a witch.

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>>15558451
>real witch
>real
>witch

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How old is Rosa? I first imagined she was around 35 but in episode three they say she was in middle school 20 years prior, and she was acting pretty young in the flashback with her and Beatrice. Could she really be in her late 20's?

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>>15555626
Kanon is pretty fucking savage in general. I forget exactly what Shannon said, but she was she was also pretty savage when she went to serve Beatrice her food later in that episode.

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>>15558519
>middle school 20 years prior
In Japan, middle school is from age 12 to 15, so she would be at least 32

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>>15558551
>In Japan, middle school is from age 12 to 15

Oh yeah, I forgot to consider that. Thanks anon.

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>>15558470
She's not a real witch like Bernkastel or Lambda, yeah.

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>>15556603
>read it
>Dlanor's voice automatically comes in the head
How does she DESS like that?

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Any idea why the CGs are disabled in the Steam version? Do you think they will ever be enabled by default in a patch?

Pic related.

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What is your favorite Ushiromiya family /jp/?
Mine's Rosa-Maria.

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>>15558900
Maybe they didn't have time to implement them correctly before the release date? I assume they'll patch them in eventually since they're already in the files, it wouldn't make sense to just leave them there without using them

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>>15555930
Let him play. Don't we always do the same, making stupid questions and pretending to be retarded for the only sake to bump the thread and keep the interest alive?
Who knows? Maybe anon is being honest and never really read the VN, of course I'm sure he know the answers already, at least the most important ones. It's hard to avoid spoilers on this place, and the last thread had a LOT.
>>15556185
Okay.

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>>15558900
Maybe they're planning to make them dlc.

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>>15558900
Those all look like Chiru CGs to me.

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>>15559131
They're in the game's files already.

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>>15559151
They're still Chiru CGs, so it's normal that they don't show up anywhere.

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>>15559157
It has CGs for all the Episodes, but none of them are used

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>>15559157
The issue is that none of the CGs show up normally.

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>>15558900
How do you enable them?

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>>15559190
https://www.mediafire.com/?ebkbiq5abb987

Replace the 0.utf in the game folder with this 0.utf

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>>15559223
Nice, thanks

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>>15556185
Nailed it.

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>>15556185
Well, I will just re-post my Battler from that other thread then (you guys seem to have liked it in any case).

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>>15559395
It looks more like a fat neckbeard NEET with hair growth problems and the eye of an egyptian deity than god, but I did my best.

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>>15559370
Beautiful.
Don't worry, Genji is here for you now (I'm also from the original paint thread).

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>>15559447
You mean that's not what god is?

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Is there a fix for the glitches I have in Cross? Lambda and Bern's throws are completely glitched and break the game if they end a match and the other player is free to move around while being thrown. One of Will's special attacks also cannot be used to end a round without breaking the game.

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>>15560137
Never seen that problem. Are you updated to the latest patch? Using an installed version or no?

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>>15560139
I installed it a long time ago with what I thought was the latest patch. That's how I had Bern and Lambda.

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>>15556797
pls respond

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>>15560487
Didn't understood the question, printscreen the parts you got in doubt, please (this always helps).

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>>15558967
That's adorable

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Why does no one like him again?

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>>15559447

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I'm reading the Umitweak version for the first time as I felt like re-reading Umineko. When is the first CG? I thought this version had CGs but I haven't seen anything yet.
Also roughly how many CGs are there in there per game?

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>>15560683
I think spooky Maria eyes is the first CG
It happens after the first twilight I think

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>>15560692
>after the first twilight
I can't remember, but I think there's a CG before that, when they find the bodies in the shed

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>>15560653
Because shitting on him has become a running joke.

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>>15560653
Because even before the actual revelation of his jerkass and egocentric behaviour, people already suspected and with in mind joked about him being a fake person, based on his dialogue up to that point.

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>>15560653
Because he's fucking shit

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>>15560739
>...people already suspected that, and with this in mind, joked about him being...

sorry for that, tried to correct the phrase and ended up sending it before double checking it.

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Umineko steam edition torrent when?

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>>15558903
All of them have individuals I dislike. Battler's family sans Rudolf and Kyrie's willingness to butcher everyone like they did would probably be best to me as a whole unit. My favorite aunt is Eva, my favorite uncle is Hideyoshi, and my favorite grandkid is probably Battler, but Jessica seems cool too aside from being a stubborn cunt.

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>>15560740
How could you say that to your own son?!

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>>15560776
Hopefully never, let Manga Gamer have their well deserved money, and maybe we get Iwaihime next

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>>15560806
I want a PC port of Ookami Kakushi too, if possible. You know if they accept these kind of requests depending of the demand?

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>>15560780
Get the fuck back in my womb Joji

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>>15560834
I've had it with you, Okaasan. You can get my Super Ultimate Mega Special Joji Kick up your womb!

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>>15560830
>PC port of Ookami Kakushi
That's probably never going to happen. I never see people talking about it, so I don't think there's much demand for it

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>>15560499

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>>15560834
>>15560869
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HJKJxQRmgc

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>>15560899
I believe it's referring to locked rooms.

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>>15560499

also this.. i don't understand how she was reborn by the rules and how she was created to serve battler

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>>15560937
The Beatrice that Battler knew, based on the gameboard and its background, was the result of trauma, "1000 years" of it. Battler can't just create a fresh Beato without all of that, and so the innocent Chick Beatrice, who has yet to go through the pain required to turn into Beatrice, was created. Big Sis Beatrice is the witch legend and lore without the trauma or Chick Beatrice's humanity.

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Editorfag here. Just thought I'd post an update about the nude Bernkastel edit I promised last thread. It's been taking a lot longer than I'd initially hoped, and I'm still not fully satisfied with the current results, but it's finally getting somewhere. On the plus side, I've decided to do the Lambda edit at the same time, and it's proving to be much less of a hassle. I'm not sure how big to make her breasts though, so I've shown 2 options (I could always just do both)

I'm hoping to finish both pieces by tomorrow night. Due to the uncertainty about her chest, Bern will have 3 pieces; One will be flat, one will have smallish breasts (shown here), and one will be busty.

Any feedback is greatly appreciated. If something looks weird (other than parts that are clearly unfinished) let me know and I'll see if I can fix it.

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>>15561019
The smaller the better imo

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>>15561074
How's this then?

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>>15561122
It's pretty nice like that, go for it, editor anon
(I would prefer an almost flat Lambda, but that would be just me being biased and unfair to the source)

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>>15561153
I mean, I could probably make a flat version for you if you'd like. It wouldn't be too hard, and I'm already doing it for Bern.

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>>15561163
Oh, I would for sure gladly accept that
Thanks, anon

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>>15560967
how could battler recreate beato to begin with? im not really understanding what the rules are.

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Do you think Kinzo ever gave in to his desire and masturbated to the Beatrice portrait in his study?

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>>15561167
Something this size alright with you?

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>>15561216
I'm still convinced that the green stuff the servants pour him isn't absinthe but actually lube. They usually leave Kinzo alone to "enjoy" his drink afterwards. The shouts of "BEATORIIICHEEEE!!!" they can hear from outside the study are interpreted by the servants as Kinzo getting drunk and lamenting his past, but it's actually him lubing up and spraying his own brand of paint on the portrait.
It would explain the awful stench in the study that several characters comment on.

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>>15561235
It all makes sense now.

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>>15561225
Not that anon, but that seems to fit lambda way more.

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>>15561216
>>15561235
>>15561245

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>>15561225
Anon from before here, it's perfect!

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>>15561249
Depends on the artist. The Steam sprite used as the base clearly has medium-sized breasts.

>>15561280
I'm glad you like it. I'll include this variation in the final version then.

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>>15561188
Just imagine the other meta-side of the story (in this case, Rokkenjima Prime).

You just need to remember the whole context with Tohya at Episode 8

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>>15561216
>>15561235
>>15561252
I wouldn't put it past Kinzo.

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EP8
What happens if you miss the culprit in bern's game? Too lazy to go back and check it out.

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>>15561304
Nothing, they let you try again until you get it

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>>15561304
It will play the next hint each time you get it wrong. The final hint reveals the answer.

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http://steamspy.com/app/406550
Doesn't seem to be selling nearly as well as the first Higurashi chapter did. Wasn't really expecting it to either though

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>>15561396
Umineko does have a higher price, even if it is four episodes bundled together.

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Anyone know the typeface for the original vn text?

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>>15561019
That Bern body really feels weird, doesn't remind of the original's that gives a "proud" vibe with the bust high up, while here it's pretty much the opposite, the pose is a bit titled. Aside from the fact original looks like an hourglass body, which would have been nice to put. Maybe I should give a try myself to do a Bern sprite that feels more like the original and less loli-like.

You're quite dedicated with this whole nude sprites thing, but it's still hard to deny your anatomy skills aren't exactly living up to it. Looks especially cheap when you add a pussy and nipples.

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>>15561451
Yeah, like I said, I'm not really happy with how Bern's turning out either. I've already tried several times but I just can't seem to get the outline of her body right. The angle she's standing at keeps throwing me off.

But I'm still learning, so hopefully I'll get better. How would you recommend I improve? What specifically is wrong with my anatomy?

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>>15561019
>>15561451
Bernkastel's body looks like a ragdoll or a disformed barbie.
I think you'd need to extend her shoulders more to the left.

>>15561225
Small but perky. It's perfect.
As Jin once said, it's not the size of the breast but the shape.

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>>15561451
>>15561979
Okay. So based on you're suggestions I reworked Bern's frame a bit. I tried to make her look more like the original sprite with a high bust and more of an hourglass figure. I'm not sure whether or not this would be called a success, but at the very least I think it made the angle look better.

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>>15562346
Well, it's an improvement for sure.
Hmmm.

Oh I know, can you try to make the head a little bit smaller?

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>>15562484
How's this?

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>>15562528
I honestly can't tell the difference.

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>>15560806
This. I'd say that future localization of ryuukishi VNs depends a lot on the success of Higurashi and Umineko.

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>>15562562
Here. From left to right, 100%, 95%, 90% original size.

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>>15562613
Ah, I see. Far right is better overall.
I think it looks good.

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>>15562613
They all look the same to me.

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>>15562682
Alright, thanks for the input. Is there anything else that needs to be fixed? Otherwise I'll start finishing up this version.

Also, I'll be doing 3 versions of varying bust size. Should the size shown here be used for the medium version or the large version?

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>>15562700
I think you need glasses anon

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>>15562723
No, I think the far right version is better overall and fits with the body. Reducing the size of the head probably fixed the issue and looks good now.

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>>15562723
Also, while you're at it, can you reduce the size of Maria's head by 5-10%?
I think all the heads are too oversized.

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>>15562802
I think Maria's head is meant to be that big since she's a child, but whatever. Here you go.

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>>15562890
Absolutely perfect. This is much much better.

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>>15562890
I much prefer the one on the left compared to the right.
It makes Maria look much more human. There's really something about having the head proportional to the rest of the body that has an effect on the appreciation of the art.

https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=2097543

Also, if you have a chance, could you also reduce Lambda's head by 5-10% as well? Not now, but whenever you're done with the body.

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>>15562943
Sure

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>>15562943
>>15562977
> deleted

R34 doesn't accept loli you know. Just post it on a site that doesn't make it visible to anyone that get a direct link.

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>>15563307
Any website to recommend other than uguu?

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>>15563312
imgur maybe?

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>>15563337
Eh, I guess.

http://imgur.com/a/d4dUk

What d you think?

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>>15563346
That outfit is dangerous.

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>>15563402
It's perfect, isn't it?
The panties create the perfect amount of innocence and the thing around her waist, which was always part of her original design, created a lewd layer around her hips.
I'm still unsure whether Maria should keep her stockings/socks. Bare legs sounds more innocent, no?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563346
I like the Sakutarou panties

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563537
Me too!
I'm trying to think of lewd outfits to make most of the cast wear. It's rather fun.

[Anonymous No.]

Got bored, decided to work a bit on Bernkastel's outfit. While I know that the body isn't entirely finished and it's missing color on her upper torso, not to mention she's missing an arm, I felt that I should still mess around.

How does it look?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563471
It depends. Bare legs would compliment the panties, but stockings would compliment the corset.

>>15563537
I'm glad they turned out okay.

>>15563584
How's this one?
http://imgur.com/a/6ME1S

>>15563680
Looks nice. I need hurry and finish the Bern and Lambda nudes so that we can come up with more lewd outfits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563690
>How's this one?
I like it. Maria's magical outfit is a one piece, so I don't think there's anything more that could have been done without designing the entire outfit.
I think I prefer the left over the right, since you can't really see well through the see through cloth.

Personally, I would have loved to see Maria naked but with the string of bows along with that thing around her neck. Something like pic related.
My drawing skills are horrible but I'm sure you get what I'm trying to show.

[Anonymous No.]

(You)mineko

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone here remembers the Ryukishi version of this background?

Boy, what the hell was that supposed to be

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563680
Huh. It's funny no one has ever made that joke
You're my neko.

[Anonymous No.]

Removed some of the artifacts and showed more of Bernkastel's hips.
It's somewhat weird to not see her curves. She looks like a wooden board.

>>15563767
Meant for >>15563762

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563771
have some old bernie kastels fanart

[Anonymous No.]

Oh for Christ's sake! God... dammit, nerds. Wtf are you guys doing today? Jesus.
>>15560568
Thanks.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>15563737
I get it. I'll see what I can do.
In the meantime, here's another piece I made. I tried building off of your idea with the corset. Let me know what you think.

http://imgur.com/a/WfnLo

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563820
Oooooh, I love it. Very innocent but lewd at the same time. This makes her seem elegant with a slight tease.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563820
You're very bored, aren't you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563830
Can someone be bored if they're having fun?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563835
Touché. Okay, you win.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563838
I always win.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563842
Oh... it's you. Forget I said anything.

[Anonymous No.]

Would Lambda be better with the pumpkin or without it?

[Anonymous No.]

Seacats, I love you all! I hope your lives are well!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563852
Oh...it's you!
You used that image with the same filename a few threads back. Don't throw bricks in a glass house. Let's just discuss and have fun without shaming namefags. Esp if you were one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563865
I like the pumpkin. I initially thought it was an ugly part of her design but now I like the whimsical-ness of it. It fits Lambda, somehow. You took the effort to cut it out, so why not keep it? You're the artist. Tailor to what you think looks best.
And I appreciate all the effort you've been putting in. I like seeing your progress posts and responses to feedback.
This is lame, but seeing another Anon consistently putting in effort and making something that looks great really inspires me. It makes me feel like I could make something too, if I wanted. So thanks for your hark work and keep it up!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563835
>>15563842
That's a positive outlook on life! I like it!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563890
I don't love you, but I do like you. I hope you the best as well.
>>15563898
Sorry, you're not the person I thought you were. I'm leaving.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563916
I'm not Rikafag, I just recognized your reaction image (why is it a gif when it's a static image?) and cut in.
Sorry for intruding on your conversation, I just got nosy. Excuse me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563921
No problem. Have fun.

[Anonymous No.]

Gohda is moe
Prove me wrong
PROTIP: you can't

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563925
Y-you too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563932
Nope, I can't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563921
>why is it a gif when it's a static image?
Keep watching. It does move.

>>15563911
Haha, thanks. One must always be extremely positive to hide the cynicism.
It is the way of duality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563910
Thanks. That means a lot. Now if only I could apply myself like this to something besides porn. I'll be pushing to get Bern and Lambda finished tonight, so I hope you'll look forward to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15563910
>I initially thought it was an ugly part of her design but now I like the whimsical-ness of it. It fits Lambda, somehow. You took the effort to cut it out, so why not keep it?
Yeah you're right. It's the reason I wanted to keep it but the pumpkin makes more sense on clothes rather than just on her body.
Adding these little dots was a pain in the add as well.

[Anonymous No.]

I can't decide, which is better, Lambda with the bow on her chest or no bow?

http://imgur.com/a/TThm1

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564096
In this particular case I'd say it looks better without it. It seems more balanced that way. Plus there's already the other another similar looking ribbon right next to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564122
Yeah, I agree. Just wanted to hear someone else's opinion. I was thinking that seeing her chest exposed is better rather than clutter. Not only that, there are so many ribbons on Lambda that it's somewhat ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.]

These body/head proportions feels so off somehow -shrugs-.

[Anonymous No.]

After saving so many lives in the past, it would be a shame to end one right here...

[Anonymous No.]

yo just want to let you know there's no magic circle button, no stake button, no butterfly escape button in real life. I want to see your glance as I smash your skull into the fucking blue truth, and I strangle the life out of your closed rooms, pushing my hempel's raven into their windows until you cry seagulls lol. well, not before forcing you to watch your who dunnit die in front of you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564179
Calm down Nanjo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15564179
I prefer the original line

[Anonymous No.]

Am I the only one slightly put off by the whole naked sprite thing going on in these threads recently? I'll be the first to admit that I'm slightly perverted but this somehow crosses the line and feels kinda sick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15565036
Not quite sure why it's bothering you so much compared to the other sexualizing that goes on in these threads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15565047
Nonsense, these threads have always been pure and clean.

Too clean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15565047
>>15565071
It's usually quite tame on the lewdness front. Never anything worse than "which seacat wud u fug". This stripping of childlike sprites and people sweating over Sakutarou panties is a bit much for me. I guess I shouldn't be surprised people are into it, it's just a step too far for me personally.

[Anonymous No.]

Higurashi was better

[Anonymous No.]

>>15565298
Alien parasites.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15565336
Small bombs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15565351
In MY meal?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15565357
It's more likely than you think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15565351
Except that never happened. Alien parasites actually did and it was ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15565351
mystery trap x

[Anonymous No.]

>>15558967
>(Dead)
Bah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15566065
Every time. Every time you get found out, you pull stupid attention whoring shit like this and whine like a cunt, alerting everyone to who you are. You literally cannot post without flaunting yourself in some way. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15566085
Not true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15566085
Wow, what did I miss?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15566104
Retard attention whore is back to tell the whole thread how indifferent she is to getting banned by whining in passive aggressive filenames and onomatopoeias again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15565336
Has nothing much to do with the actual mystery.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15565036
>this somehow crosses the line
>implying
Pic related

>>15565126
I just think it's hilarious and nothing more. It's not like I'm going to fap to them. All these discussions about mystery, love, murder, truths, etc, all while everyone is naked.
Not to mention Ryukishi purposefully makes his sprites lewd, as seen from the Chester girls and Dlanor. And there is so much lewd in the dialogue that it's funny.

The trick isn't simply that we're making the entire cast naked, but that we're following Ryukishi's rule of lewd by stripping them naked except for a few piece of clothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15560657
Oh shit, I just noticed that Phoenix is God. That's hilarious.

[Anonymous No.]

I mean, who wouldn't force beautiful women to be mostly naked? Wouldn't most movies or anime be significantly better if most of the female cast were naked?
And there is also an element of voyeurism as well, as the cast does not seem bothered or notice that they're naked, making it even more enticing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15566163
>as seen with the Chester girls and Dlanor
I'm convinced that Ryukishi has a thigh fetish.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15566219
Who doesn't?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15566219
I think he's evolved past humanity and developed a fetish for everything.
It's not entirely surprising since he worked in fashion and they teach you all the marketing fetishation such as only showing parts of the body to make it more lewd, or focusing on a certain place with the design can make it more attractive. Things like that.
Like Dlanor and her stomach. I honestly just can't stop staring at it.

He has a maid fetish, he has a mind break fetish, he has a tomboy fetish, he has a cute girl fetish, he has a femdom fetish (most of the women in Umineko are femdom in one way or another, like Ange or Bernkastel and he does it well compared to basically the entire medium itself), he has a bully fetish, he clearly has a big breast fetish, he has a loli fetis.

The amount of actual fetishes in Higurashi and Umineko is ridiculous.
There's even a point in ep 8 of Higurashi where Rena is tied down BDSM style that's played for laughs.

I'm convinced that you can make every single part of the human body into a fetish. And being on 4chan for so long, I'm pretty certain of that fact.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15565022
what was it?


it's a really good line

[Anonymous No.]

>>15565298
>read Higurashi
>the message is about reaching out to others when you're lonely scared and paranoid and that friendship is important
>isolate myself more despite being inspired by the story
rip

[Anonymous No.]

>>15566543
>read Umineko
>the message is about accepting what you don't know and be content with living your life to the fullest
>spend time arguing online about the meaning of a story nobody completely agrees on despite being inspired by the story
rip

[Anonymous No.]

>>15566635
That's not what Umineko's message was!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15566635
some lies are harmless, and some truths are not worth knowing

bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>15566635
>Read Higanbana
>the message is about bullying being fun and that the only way to stop it is to stop bullying immediately when it happens
>spend time reminiscing the fun of past bullying experiences and do nothing to stop bullying
rip

[Anonymous No.]

>>15566731
>read Rose Guns Days
>the message is that Japanese people are shit, have no culture and don't care for their culture
>be weeaboo wishing I were Japanese living in Japan
rip

[Anonymous No.]

>>15565336
>nonsensical postmodern bullshit

>>15566543
Higurashi was just better done overall as a story really. Then again, I think Umineko's postmodern 'make your own meaning' thing is an abdication of being a storyteller. Which I fucking hate.

That and Higurashi has some kick ass tracks. Umineko has some decent BGM's but that's it.

[Anonymous No.]

read hotaru-bi
the message is that nobody gave a shit despite it having "when they cry" plastered on it

[Anonymous No.]

Oh, Umineko has an answer. It just isn't the one everyone thinks it is.

[Anonymous No.]

Okay, I'm finally just about done with Bern and Lambda's edits. I just need to make the alternate breast sizes and add the 18+ bits.

As requested, both of their heads have been downscaled 10%. Hopefully this helps with the proportions.

I ended up taking the lazy option with Bern's right hand and just hid it out of view. Sorry about that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15566987
>bloated chest

>no penis

WHAT THE FUCK ARE THESE THINGS

[Anonymous No.]

>>15566987
It helps a lot. Thanks.
Both Lambda and Bernkastel actually look pretty good now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15566991
Females?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567005
I've never seen anything like that before... I'm astonished

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567025
What did you think most of the characters in this series were?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567025
You came from a vagina. Don't mind this anyway you won't need the information.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15566987
Could you fix this part?
I'm trying to put Bernkastel's second arm and it's annoying me to no end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567025
Have you seriously never seen a naked Barbie doll?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567053
Ah, that was supposed to be her hip. It came out looking weird. Here you go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567065
Many thanks.

I think Bernkastel actually looks pretty good.

[Anonymous No.]

Hmmm. Should Bernkastel have a tail?
I'm trying to find a spot to add it but I can't seem to find a good one. I was thinking below her sleeve but it doesn't look really good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15566971

[Anonymous No.]

>>15566635
>>15566665
Shit, I meant Higurashi.
Don't mind me.

>>15566635
This is too real, it's scary. At least we can find comradery in our ironic suffering.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567161
Crap. I knew I forgot something. Under the sleeve seems like the most likely spot, but there's a lot of room for movement. For example you could have it come around her side and cover her crotch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567230
I dunno, it looks fine without the tail.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there anything that should be added to Lambda?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567417
My dick, preferably inside her sweet puss but I can live with the other two holes too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567431
Added *to* Lambda, not into.

[Anonymous No.]

18+ version of Lambda is done. It took longer than I was expecting, but I'm pretty happy with the results. As requested, I made a nearly flat-chested version as well.

http://imgur.com/IanNOFF

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567534
Can you make the vagina bones smaller?
Something about it seems too large and weird.

Also, you left some pain stains off the torso.

[Anonymous No.]

Alright and he's Lewd Lambda with some clothes on.

http://imgur.com/a/j5hhM

It really looks good.

>>15567619
Cleaned up also the stains while I was at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567619
How's this?
http://imgur.com/tj0CefH

Also, Bern's 18+ is done. I'll make other versions if asked.
http://imgur.com/Egtpb04

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567781
>http://imgur.com/Egtpb04
Hahahahahahahaa, that nipple holy shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567781
>http://imgur.com/tj0CefH
Much better. It's perfect.

>I'll make other versions if asked.
A flat chested Bernkastel would be nice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15566447
"It would be a shame to end a life after having saved so many."

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567830
Yeah, I know it looks weird. Everything about Bern's piece has been like that. I also forgot to add the tail again.

>>15567841
>A flat chested Bernkastel would be nice.
I figured somebody would ask. Sure, but It'll probably be tomorrow.

Now that these 2 are finally finished I'm probably going to take a break for a few days. Who would you like to see done next once? Personally, I'd like to try one of the busty characters this time.

[Anonymous No.]

I think I'm done with Lambda

http://imgur.com/a/1Mai8

http://imgur.com/a/vmnmh

>>15567891
>Yeah, I know it looks weird
Ah, don't worry about it. The ribbon will hide her breasts so it doesn't matter.

>Who would you like to see done next once?

How about Eva?

[Anonymous No.]

Honestly, Lambda looks really good overall.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567921
Looks pretty good. It gave me a nice idea for a Lambda edit I'll probably do soon.

Eva shouldn't be too difficult, what with her tight dress and all. I'll wait a little and see if there are other requests, otherwise Eva it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567945
You'd have to try really hard to make her not look good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567945
Yeah, I think she might be my best so far.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567953
Although, could you fix Eva's breasts? They look floppy.

>>15567956
So you're saying that it was certain that she would end up good?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567985
Yeah, Eva's breasts seem to be sagging in the steam sprites, so I'll most likely raise them. What about her Head-to-body proportion?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15568025
I think the head seems fine. Her breast might be the only real thing wrong about her sprite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15568048
Well, I could probably try something like this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15568087
Yes, much better.

[Anonymous No.]

I watched the Umineko anime years ago I now know that everyone hates it, but I still enjoyed it.
I tried reading/watching/playing the visual novel but after an hour or two I gave up. I do like some visual novels but they are ones with gameplay, Ace Attorney, Zero Escape, kinda BlazBlue, heck even Say no Uta it at least had some decisions and I could fap to that delicious monster loli.
Scenes like this are pretty badass https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lb0xcfFvtA but I don't know if I can get through all the build up before it gets there.
Should I buy the Question Arc on Steam? Does that end the same place the Anime did?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15568278
Also is there a release date for the Answer Arc and Golden Fantasia X

[Anonymous No.]

>>15568278
>>15568283
Leave now and never come back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15554728
I only played this game a bit, because it ran like shit on my old computer and I was way to lazy to jump through hoops again to get it to work on my new computer.
I think I used Will and Knox.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15568087
キタ━━━(゜∀゜)━━━ッ!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15568299
We all make mistakes, Anon. We all have to start somewhere.

>>15568278
The Question Arc ends at the same point as the anime. The first episode does drag on a lot if you already know what's going to happen but it fleshes out the characters to something more that you will care about rather than as someone that only exists to die for the mystery. The first episode is also more like a pure mystery since there is no fantasy element intruding like the other ones.
The following episodes pick up the pace more and go more into the conflict between Beatrice and Battler and how Battler struggles and comes up with his ideas and theories. If you really want to, the game has the option of unlocking all four episodes, allowing you to skip the 1st one.

It doesn't have paths and gameplay because it's more like a normal novel, but it does have a great soundtrack. But if you can't get into reading the series from the original source despite that, then maybe it's not for you. There's still the manga version that's a good adaptation if you're still interested.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15568332
Hmm, I still can't decide. Maybe I will wait and hope it goes on sale. I already bought the first two Higurashi and they've just been sitting on my computer, however I preferred Umineko's premise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15568278
>Should I buy the Question Arc on Steam?
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15556052
I want 4 Lambda to dominate me and shred me to pieces. END MY LIFE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15568278
Think of it as a novel bud, not a game. Sit somewhere comfy and enjoy the story, or challenge it if you may.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15568025
Can you do one with the sag?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15568491
Slap them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15568491
Sure, it's really not that hard to change.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15568527
Try and make old grandmother breast, like, very long sausages.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15568532
Sorry, but I'd really rather not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15568537
Good.

[Anonymous No.]

<Very Good>

[Anonymous No.]

Just watch Shutter Island. Do you think it would make a good story for red-blue exchange? The problem with it is that the narator gave us contradicting red

[Anonymous No.]

>>15568843
>Because he is intelligent, he invents an intricate mental narrative in which conspiracy theories about Shutter Island and a hunt for a patient who doesn’t exist keep him occupied with a mystery that he cannot (or refuses to) solve: that he is patient 67.
Sounds like Battler to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>15568886
>Battler
>intelligent

[Anonymous No.]

remind me again why this thread is practically worshipping a guy making deviantart-tier nude edits?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569076
Nobody's worshiping anyone. Edit anon is just one of the little people in the thread that actually do something related to the franchise rather than post screenshots while pretending they've read the series before and shitpost with images of an intellectual rapist.
It's fine if some of you don't like what the dude does, but no reason to get so bothered because of it

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569082
*while pretending they haven't read the series before.
Sorting music folders for hours is not good on my brain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569076
Original content. I'm not too into it but it keeps the thread going and opens up a bit of discussion, so I still appreciate it. it's better than derailing into petty unrelated drama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569076
>worshiping
>to treat someone with the reverence and adoration appropriate to a deity.
I just find it funny.

If everyone is fine with making their own poorly drawn sprites of Umineko to put in the VN, why not lewd sprites as well?
I like it because it tests my lewd levels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569111
well, you certainly need the practice, considering that they look like mannequins with nipples glued on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569140
Gift Horse in the mouth...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15568025
>>15567953
If you're going to do Eva, please do the PS3 sprite that actually looks good

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569145
>mixing the PS3 and Steam sprite
Might as well just ask for all the lewd be done only on the ps3 version.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569150
I'd be totally fine with that

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569153
Ask for the sky while you're at it.
The Eva steam sprite isn't really that bad except for her saggy breasts and squinty eyes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569162
It looks terrible. People are only praising it because of the huge tits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15568843
The intense music for the mundane scenes of them arriving on the island really clashed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569167
Bullshit, the huge tits is one of the things people hate. People are overly shitting on it because of what they saw on the magazine, showing the worst of the sprites.
In game, they don't look that horrible.

As I said, her sprite doesn't look bad except for when she squints her eyes and her breasts look saggy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569144
that saying presumes I wanted a horse to begin with. and even then, you don't need to look it in the mouth to figure out it's just a horse shaped pile of sawdust.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569176
She ALWAYS squints her eyes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569194
Gift. Horse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569203
did you even read the post you're replying to

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569207
GIFT. FUCKING. HORSE.

[Anonymous No.]

>Steam Eva

[Anonymous No.]

>>15567985
>>15568025
I like the sag

[Anonymous No.]

>>15566888
>Higurashi was just better done overall as a story really
You have no idea of what are you talking about

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569242
And German people like to eat shit, so don't feel too bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569249
One of these days, I'll make a video on the topic of Higurashi.
Higurashi has a better cohesive and straightforward story than Umineko, which, depending on who you asks, makes it better than Umineko in terms of being enjoyable.

Higurashi is honestly extremely well structured. Umineko is as well, but it's less straightforward and cohesive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569214
you seem frustrated

[Anonymous No.]

The only Eva that looks like Eva is Ryukishi's Eva. All other sprites/manga illustrations of her look strange.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569266
I somewhat disagree. While I am pointlessly defending the stream sprites, the PS3 sprite made Eva more like Eva, by giving her a fan and hiding her smug smile.

[Anonymous No.]

I would like to take this moment to mention that I'd like to lick that thin, sensetive skin at the back of Rosa's knees.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569254
>Higurashi has a better cohesive and straightforward story than Umineko, which, depending on who you asks, makes it better than Umineko in terms of being enjoyable.

Straightforward? For sure (but that's also what I love the most about the organization of Umineko's storytelling. Cohesive? Umineko has way better handled foreshadowing and plot points than Higurashi (and zero plot holes, compared to some unexplained/poorly explained important plot devices in Higurashi, like the whole Hinamisawa syndrome thing).

The wikia even created a session with this kind of info that wasn't really explained properly or presented with the attention it needed (http://whentheycry.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Weird_Plot_Shit).).

Not saying that wikias are anywhere as near reliable as they claim to be, but they are quite accurate with the info and highly informed with details about the plot devices (I double checked every single of them just to confirm that),

Some important things are just left in there without much exploration really, unlike Umineko (not counting the whole Bernkastel and Lambda related stuff, which is yet to be introduced to the story and it isn't really related to the main plot.

Being enjoyable is rather subjective, it depends of what kind of story you prefer to read and the presentation of it.

Umineko has every single element in hand from the get-go and pretty much trick the readers with espectacularly smart unreliable narration, and this alone already make Umineko better as a story (especially as a mystery).

[Anonymous No.]

>>15569302
This is why I said ''depending on who you ask''. I don't believe it myself but I can see where the sentiment is coming from.

I view Umineko as better than Higurashi simply because of what morals and message I got out of the story. However, I would lie if I didn't say that Higurashi touched me more than Umineko.
Even if Umineko stabbed me harder than anything I've ever experienced with the ending of ep 3 and the tea party of ep 7.

All I'm saying is that it's understandable for that person to prefer Higurashi over Umineko on certain topic despite it not being as complex or great.

I still view Higurashi as being ridiculously well structured narratively. Umineko is very very well structured itself but Higurashi worked cohesively tricked the reader until the end.

The fact that Higurashi actually made the reader feel paranoid is why I still regard it as one of the greatest things I've ever read. Can't people agree that both are fucking great?

[Anonymous No.]

To me, Higurashi is a fun experience that was structured perfectly to make you actually paranoid. It's a great rollercoaster until the ending.

Umineko is an equally fun rollercoaster but has more to say about human nature, truth, love, detective fiction, empericism. Everything in Umineko is extremely well polished.

Both Higurashi and Umineko are very well polished, designed and structured. I always feel annoyed that people have to compared to find out which is better. They're both good. Can't people just leave it at that?

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>>15569302
Oh, I need to bitch about this because I get tired of seeing it all the time.

>important plot devices in Higurashi, like the whole Hinamisawa syndrome thing).
There is no plot device. The thing about the Hinamizawa syndrome is that it subtly effects three people in the story but none of their actions were completely irrational. Every single one of their actions, from K1 to Rena to Mion, are given their first person monologue for every single one of their actions.
From K1 deciding to kill his friends to Rena deciding to blow up her school, you read their monologue and they're entirely rational the entire way.
Ryukishi, at the end of the manga, says that the Hinamizawa syndrome is more a metaphor of people simply not talking to each other and letting tragedy develop. Tragedies are always born out of miscommunication and silence and Higurashi is no exception. Hell, it's the entire theme.
While it is the reasoning for why people are turning insane, it isn't the cause. Everyone has the Hinamizawa syndome, but not everyone turns insane. Anyway can decide to not talk and kill everyone, just like everyone can talk and solve their problems with their friends.

Personally, I love Higurashi a bit more sometimes than Umineko because it goes into cynicism about how friendship is shit, like everyone believe, then rises out of its ashes to become optimistic. Optimism that destroys cynicism is always great.

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>>15568903
long torso is long.

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>>15569364
>Mion
That's the one character out of that group that never got an internal monologue.

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>>15569140
I should probably point out that you've been talking to the wrong person. There's more than one editor here, but the one who is making the crappy nudes is me, not that anon. I'm sorry if my edits bother you (they bother me too), but some people seem to enjoy them, so I'll probably continue for awhile longer. Hopefully I'll get better with practice.

>>15569145
>>15569153
There's a few reasons why I insist on sticking to the steam sprites.

First of all, back when I had just started making edits I used the PS3 sprites as the bases. I ended up making edits of most of the female cast, but since they were my first attempts the quality is even lower than what I'm making now (hard to imagine, I know). The point is I prefer to work with something new this time rather than redo the PS3 versions.

Another big reason is I'm hoping that by continuing to introduce original content based on the material that just came out It might draw some attention to the official release and keep these threads going. For that reason, I made scans of the pachinko artbook, ripped the new sprites from the game once it came out, made images comparing all the old and new sprites, and now I'm making these things.

Basically, despite the excessive fanservice and questionable stylistic choices, I've just gotten somewhat attached to the Steam sprites after working with them so much.

>>15569242
I'll be doing versions both with and without the sag for the sake of comparison.

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>>15569576
Since I missed quite a few threads aside from the previous two or three, do you still have that sprite comparison image?

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>>15569820
It's actually several images, but sure I'll post them again.

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>>15569906
Several 1998 characters don't have new steam sprites for some reason.

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>>15569912
Chiru sprites are mostly taken from the artbook since they're not out yet.

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>>15569927
And done.

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>>15569934
Love ya

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Nice

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>>15569959
> 14$

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can someone that was smart enough to solve umineko explain it to me?

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>>15570084
witches arnt real but "magic" is kek

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>>15570084
the solution is not watching the anime for the question arc

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>>15570084
Open your heart to Erika.

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>>15569237
You again

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>>15570084

What is love?

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>>15570402
Baby don't hurt me

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>>15566736
>Read Higanbana
>the message is "If you're getting bullied, why not have them all die in a bus crash?"

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>>15568278
Do you even read books, brah?

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Different Anon. Did something. Won't be finished.

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>>15569921
Oh wow, I actually like the steam sprites for this ones, they arent as bad as I thought.
And also the goat from >>15569912

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shitpost

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can someone explain why beatrice was so happy during ep 3 where shes torturing rosa and maria? . is she really that dense?

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another shitpost

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>>15570953
You mean EVA? She's in general an exaggerated and childlike representation of Eva's inner will. She found the gold and got into an argument with Rosa some time later. While the reality wasn't cruel torture, this scene can be seen as an exaggerated representation of her hatred for her siblings and her will to kill them when the situation calls for it.

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Tho a nude edit works I'd much rather a silly edit version of the game.

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Can you patch voices into the original game release?

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>>15571140
no

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http://www.famitsu.com/news/201607/21111233.html

>Higanbana release for 3DS in 5 days
What the fuck? When did this happen?

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>>15569495
I'm obviously talking about the real name of Shion which was more of a funny injoke.
Is that really all that you got from my rant?

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>>15571110
We can obviously do both.

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>>15571309
>http://www.famitsu.com/news/201607/21111233.html
Any chance of voices?

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>>15571376
>Price: 741 yen
No

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daily reminder that youare the culprit

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>>15571436
Damn, I'm sexy.

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>>15570650
NICE

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>>15571439
I want Black Battler to raw dog me while strangling me to death!

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>>15571485
Alright Bern, calm down.

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>>15569863
This game have the best aunts

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>>15569927
I really wanna Zepar to fuck me passionately for an hour.

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>>15572124
>Not wanting both of them

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>>15571366
stay mad

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>>15570436
>the message is "If you're getting bullied, why not have them all die in a bus crash?"
>the only way to stop bullying is to stop it when it starts
>but if you let it go on too long, it becomes impossible to stop
>so just kill all the bullies and start fresh
Really weird message honestly.

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It's middle of summer

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>>15573313
I don't get it.

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>>15571028
yes but i meant beatrice reaction, not eva beatrice

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>>15573677
Rosa and Maria weren't meant to die.
The epitaph was solved and no one should have died.

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I dreamed about Rika yesterday.

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then why did everyone die? its clear it wasnt just eva killing, maybe eva never told anyone but rosa.

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>>15573763
Did Bernkastel visit you in your dreams too?

>>15573769
You think too small. Why kill Krauss and Natsuhi? If you can solve that, you can solve ep 3.

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>>15573790
Eva was an accomplice in Episode 3. If you read the TIPS you can see her complaining about having to use the stakes, and wondering what they're for

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>>15573769
>maybe eva never told anyone but rosa.
Yeah, the most common theory I've seen is that Yasu didn't know that Eva had solved it, which is why she killed George and Nanjo after it was solved

Didn't Eva also say that she would keep it a secret so she could keep the gold for herself?

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>>15573820
You're presupposing something based on misunderstood evidence.
I'll give you a hint. How do you know that Eva is wondering what they're for? All that tip says is that it's a pain. Lamentation of extra unnecessary work.

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>>15573922
>How do you know that Eva is wondering what they're for?
I was referring to this one, where she's wondering what the point of following the epitaph is

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>>15573935
Yes, it shows that the killer knows about how the murders are supposed committed but not the motives.
This is why the secondary killer does not use closed room murders and just outright kills everyone in open areas.

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>>15573943
what is the purpose of the closed rooms? is it to remind battler of mystery novels?

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>>15573943
Isn't Krauss and Natsuhi's murder kind of a closed room murder though? If I remember correctly, they were in the guest house, which was locked, but then their bodies were found outside even though the door was still locked from the inside. It's kind of a reverse closed room murder in a way

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>>15573996
Yes but it's not a closed room regardless.

>>15573993
There are three main purposes. One is to get the attention of Battler. Another is to resurrect the witch. And the last is because Beatrice loves mystery murders.

The point is mostly that the original killer only kills people in closed rooms. The secondary killer, whomever it is, does not.

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>>15574006
>the original killer only kills people in closed rooms
That's not completely true. For instance, in Episode 1 she kills Natsuhi in the open by "reflecting" the bullet. It's still done with "magic", but it isn't a closed room

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>>15574031
What was that all about, by the way? Did Natsuhi shoot herself?

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>>15570084
It's like asking "explain me something that is 3-4 times bigger than The Lord of the Rings".

If you are asking the whole whodunnit and stuff, it's fairly simple to answer, but explaining the whole thing is a pain in the ass, due to just how much shit there is to cover.

At this point, you might as well read the wikia, I don't think anyone in here would be patient enough to do an overall explanation.

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>>15574035
Her gun wasn't loaded even loaded.

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>>15574035
Her gun wasn't loaded

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Alrighty then thread, going to go through Chiru now with the original sprites.

For the record; It's the furniture. I can't understand fucking why or the motivation, but one of the servants is defiantly the killers; they are the only one's who practically could do everything. Or Kinzo is a fucking ninja and can move around in ways beyond human imagination. But I doubt it's Kinzo, in every chapter other then 4 he does nothing, and 4 was like a witch's fever dream anyway with barely any non-magical bullshit.

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>>15574049
>Kinzo
Didn't you read Episode 4? He's dead

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>>15574049
>Alrighty then thread, going to go through Chiru now with the original sprites.
>original sprites
Why?

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>>15574080
Why not? Some people prefer them.

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>>15574031
The ceremony was already over.

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>>15574047
Natsuhi is pure in the soul and the head.

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>>15574035
>>15574045
>>15574047
I'd like to think that Natsuhi actually killed herself because it's funnier that way.

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>>15574104
The First Twilight of Episode 4 isn't a closed room either. Actually, the only closed rooms in Episode 4 are Gohda and Kumasawa in the gardening shed, and Kyrie's death, even though Yasu killed everyone

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>>15574138
Ep 4 is a mixed bag of mostly closed room murders and two non-closed room murders.
The first Twilight is actually a closed room. When Battler finds the mansion, it's closed from within and he has to break the door down. He investigates and finds everyone dead. It's a closed room but on a larger scale.

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>>15574162
Yeah okay, I guess it's kind of a closed room. The bodies he finds next to the well isn't in a closed room though, and neither is George's

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>>15574174
That's why I said mostly.
The original killer wanted to do only closed rooms but said FUCK IT and just killed whomever wherever while trying to do bunch of closed rooms.
I find it pretty smart to put the entire mansion as a closed room.

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is there really one message that can be found through episodes 1-4? it seems to me the episodes are alot different than each other.

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So why did Kinzo turn into a dragon? Wouldn't it make more sense if it was an eagle or something?

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haha what the fuck is a magic even supposed to be like haha dude what

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>>15574188
Without love it cannot be seen.

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Currently playing Umineko and I'm at part 7, Yasu just got introduced


erika's coming back right

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>>15574290
No

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>>15574312
fug she was what actually made part 5 and 6 work for me

will is cool and all, but i miss erika

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>>15574312
>>15574316
She's in Episode 8

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>>15574316
I will miss Erika my entire life because she isn't real.

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>>15574346
She was never real in the first place. Even within the context of the story, she was always just a character created to be a detective in a story.

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>>15574290
Erika? Who's that?

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>>15574395
A worthless piece, that's who!

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heh

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>>15574045
>>15574047
This has to be one of my favorite tricks in Umineko.

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beato

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>>15575103
beato

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how were bern and lambda impacting the gamebaord?

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>>15575495
I don't know about the gamebaord, but they were impacting my dick by catering to my lolicon femdom fetish.

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>>15575508
BERN AND LAMBDA AREN'T LOLI

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>>15574461
So protective

>>15573763
Deathflag

>>15573360
Just saying we are relaxing in summer

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>>15575495
Bernkastel and Lambda were only able to join the gameboard by attaching themselves to literary concept of the gameboard, as the stories themselves were all fictional. With ep 1-2 written by Beatrice, and internet forgeries by Tohya for ep 3-6. With Prime being a fixed event catbox, it became impossible for any witch to influence the gameboard without Beatrice allowing it. Hence why Bernkastel's power was worthless against Beatrice. There is zero chance of victory when you're looping point A to point B and just changing the variables on how it leads there. As such, witches can only enter the story by attaching themselves to concepts.

Bernkastel represents mystery fans on the internet trying to solve the mystery. This is represented in the PS3 CG with Bernkastel. At first, she talks to Battler, who represents the viewer until his death at the end of ep 5, and breaks the 4th wall by saying she's on 'your' side. The audience's side who wants the mystery to be solved. No need to be reminded that Bernkastel is the primary antagonist of the story and that the end message is that you don't need to find out the real truth.

The timeline of events makes this interesting though. Ep 1-2 were just stories thrown to the sea by Beatrice. Ep 3-4 were stories by written Tohya and put on the internet. Many mystery fans liked the stories but thought that Battler was incompetent so they asked to place their own fictional detective in the story. This is the birth of Erika. She is Bernkastel's piece. The way Bernkastel describes her is very interesting, saying that Erika is her in every way to act on her will. This is basically what people consider a mary sue, a person the writer self inserts that is overly smart, powerful, knows everything, loved by everyone, etc. A piece typically just represents the owner but this is more literal in a literal sense. This explains why Erika can actually act meta. It's not that she acts meta for the sake of it but because Erika was created by mystery fans who themselves likely read mystery novels and were fighting against Tohya to find the truth. So being meta about the rules and tropes was just a way to add a weapon on their side.
Anyways, so in ep 5, Erika gets tricked by the red herring that Natsuhi is acting suspicious and follows her around but not enough to catch her in the act of anything. Erika event laments at one point that she wouldn't have simply kept an eye on Natsuhi if Bernkastel didn't ordered her to do so. Showing again how ep 5 was more a game with mystery fans owning a game character like a video game, telling her where to go, etc. By the end of ep 5, it's revealed that the mystery fans were tricked, Natsuhi was innocent and they were shown to be as incompetent as Battler. When the story talks about ep 5 making the culprit do things it wouldn't normally do, this is what it means. It's not about the phone call itself but the entire story being meta about red truths, like the narration being fixated on Natsuhi for the reader rather than what the mystery fans are reading, showing the first disconnect between mystery fans and the reader.
So obviously, Bernkastel is angry, blaming her piece for being incompetent rather than itself for sending her to stupid locations and keeping an eye on Natsuhi. This is why in ep 6, Erika goes insane and just decides to kill everyone. Although there is some explanation about finding the mystery, it's complete fluff and just an excuse for Erika to kill everyone and humiliate Tohya as a writer. The mystery fans felt humiliated and wanted retribution. Not only that but considering how ep 6 was basically ''everyone was pretending to be dead'', it wasn't much of a serious mystery in the first place. So the mystery fans managed to block Tohya in a logic error, laughed at him for awhile and then he found a way out. It's at this point that the red at the end of ep 6 states that number of people on the island + X makes X = 0. If Erika or someone else on the island joins, they will be killed. Only the people already on the island are allowed to participate. Then Tohya closes the gameboard and fucks off. This is likely just Tohya closing his forum account or whatever and never being heard again.

Ep 7 is very polarizing but I'll give my own theory and view on it. The episode is fictional and possibly created by either Featherine or Bernkastel. The whole episode feels like the mystery fans coming together and trying to create backstory fanfics about the events that lead up to Prime and give their own theory about what happened.
This can be seen in the romantic story between Beatrice and Kinzo. It's mostly accepted that this story isn't the entire truth as a discontent view by Genji that Kinzo might have simply killed everyone, taken the gold and kept Beatrice as his concubine slave.

To be continued in another post.

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>>15575889
>It's at this point that the red at the end of ep 6 states that number of people on the island + X makes X = 0. If Erika or someone else on the island joins, they will be killed.
Wasn't the point here that even if Erika joined them there would be 17 people, since there were 16 people from the start?

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>>15575921
Erika is a possibility from other kakera that could or not be Rokkenjima Prime iirc, so she kinda dies anyway even if she is added to the calculation.

Is more like, that red was just to say that even if she was an addition to the original number of bodies in the island, they wouldn't be more than 16 (not counting with her).

So yeah, there isn't much to say besides that, anyone in the island at that point dies (except Eva, Battler and Yasu, these last two dying together by the very end of the disaster day... except that Battler's body is still alive with a new personality)

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Lamda a shit!

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>>15575889
>>15575495
This can also be seen by the theory of how Kinzo got the gold; namely that since Beatrice sounds Italian and Italians and the Japanese were fighting together, maybe some submarine came with the gold on the island and was misbranded with the Italian eagle that just so happened to be adopted as its own family symbol. There's a lot of maybes that sound like guesswork theorizing.
Clair and Yasu's story is mixed in its intent on whether it's truthful or just a complete lie. But on the topic of how it is affected by Bernkastel, I see it more in the sense that it may or may not be the actual viewpoint of the killer but has had no effect on the mystery fans or Beatrice. It's a theory origin story given to the reader and does not become talked about by anyone except maybe Erika in the manga. Rather, Bernkastel fixates on a theory that isn't shown in ep 7 by Yasu and may be the collective gold truth theory of the mystery fans. I'm obviously talking about Kyrie being an evil psychopath who cares about nothing. Bernkastel later tell Ange that it was all fictional and only represents the worst possible truth and that Ange should accept the worse if she wants to know the truth. The manga also seems to agree with me that the ep 7 tea party might be entirely fictional as well. Bernkastel side jumps saying that she wasn't the gameboard master and that there isn't any. I would argue that ep 7 and its tea party is not a gameboard but simply theory discussion by mystery fans and no single originator. After Ange is told in red that ep 7's tea party is all truth, Will doesn't accept it and in a bold move, denies it by fighting against it, using the Knox that there aren't enough clues to solve the mystery. I'm not entirely sure if this implies that ep 7's tea party is a gameboard or that Will is denying the gameboard or the theory itself.

However, the main important thing about Bernkastel is that ep 7's tea party makes Kyrie the main killer. In ep 8, Tohya decides to open the gameboard one final time but two stories get published at the same time. Ange doesn't know which is the real one, and the mystery fans challenge Tohya to see if they're better than him. He easily solves the mystery and laughs at its truth. The mini game by Bernkastel in ep 8 is interesting because of who the culprits end up being. It's the same Kyrie+Rudolf answer as in ep 7's tea party but with Battler in the mix. As though the mystery fan can't create any new ideas.

The rest of ep 8 is basically the mystery fans being excited that the truth will be revealed, only for it to be swept from under them with Tohya stealing the diary and hiding the truth forever. There's some arguments about the red truth where Ange reads the diary and then dies. I don't view this red as truthful and more of a 'what if Ange reads the diary and it is revealed that ep 7's tea party did happen', as Ange dies and it's later shown that the lock of the diary hasn't been broken even after Ange supposedly read it. I view this part as simply the physical Ange dying, merging with the meta Ange and becoming Ange-Beatrice, accepting magic and living without caring about the truth. This is why the story is meta focused on stealing the diary and Ange being a part of that heist.

After the diary is stolen, the mystery fans get obviously agitated and angry that the truth will never be revealed. Rather than be content with letting Tohya write the gameboards, they decide to write their own in cruel ways. Tsubasa shows the conception of Black Battler who can break the rules. His introduction is interesting as he shows up on the island and kills Ronove. This is interesting as although Umineko is very lax about what it can do, there are still established rules. The pieces not being able to affect or actually kill the meta being one of those rules. Black Battler simply outright kills Ronove as though he were a piece. After killing Ronove, Black Battler looks at the sky and shouts at Tohya that if he wants it to stop, he just has to tell the truth. Essentially, the mystery fans are creating horrific perversions with the Gameboard in an attempt to goat Tohya to reveal the truth. This can be seen in real world with actual Umineko fans creating their own gameboard. This is what Ryukishi meant when he said that when you find the golden truth, no matter what it is, you're given the keys to create your own gameboard. The mystery fans accepted this Kyrie+Rudolf+Battler murder theory and created their own gameboard.

And that's how Bernkastel affects the gameboard. She's the mystery fans and embodied their role in the story. I personally also view the part where Ange decides to be a cunt to be the mystery fans telling Ange lies that it was the fault of Eva and that she shouldn't believe her or trust her.

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>>15575955
>even if she was an addition to the original number of bodies in the island, they wouldn't be more than 16
But the red truth says that even with Erika "there are 17 people". Before that, Beato always says something like "there are no more than 18 people on the island", but the one with Erika straight up says that there are 17 people, which means she was counted

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>>15575995
Yup, that's pretty much it. With "they", I only meant the original people of the island.

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>>15575989
>>15575889
>>15575495


And now we come to Lambda. Unlike Bernkastel, she's rather easy to explain. Just like in Higurashi, she represents events that lead up to the conceptualization of the gameboard. Meaning, she's the person who made everyone go on the island and made it blow up. This is why Lambda is able to be the gameboard master in ep 5 despite being written by Tohya. She created the inception of the game and can check the rules. She's a neutral party but heavily leans more on Beatrice's side.

Yep, and that basically covers the roles of Bernkastel and Lambda as literary concepts to the gameboard and story.

>>15575921
This is a common misconception. The fact that the mystery fans had to completely change the characterization of Battler rather than just putting Erika on their board and letting her roam free makes me think this is the truth. Erika being allowed to join and 15+1 = 16 does not stop her from joining the game. 16+1 = 16 implies that even if Erika joined the game.

>>15575995
Lambda simply says in ep 5 that the only thing Erika does is add +1 to the total amount of people on the island. Nothing more and nothing less. However, by the end of ep 6, Tohya gets tired of the mystery fan's bullshit and just red truths that Erika or any other person who wasn't part of the original people on the island cannot come on the island. And if they come on the island, they'll end up dead and will not count as a +1 to the total amount of people on the island.

People simply misunderstood that 15+1 = 16.
>[......Sorry, but... Even if you do join us-] There are 17 people.

Huh, was it 16 or 17 said in the red truth? Umineko's wikipedia is fucking up my math and my memory.

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>>15576020
>Huh, was it 16 or 17 said in the red truth?
17

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>>15576020
Also to add that Bernkastel representing mystery fans explains why she says that she was only playing a role at the end of the story.

>>15576026
Well, whatever, the math is still the same.

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Basically the red at the end of ep 6 only denies the red of ep 5 ''Furudo Erika only increases [the number of people on the island] by one person.''
It is also the only time that a red truth is used on another red truth.

>Hello I'm Erika
>no, sorry, fuck off

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>>15575989
>has had no effect on the mystery fans or Beatrice
Oups, it had no effect on Bernkastel*

For some reason, I kept thinking of Beatrice every time I was writing Bernkastel.

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>>15576020
>>15576071
Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but didn't she increase the number of people? The red says that there are 17 people. There are 16 without her, so isn't that a +1?

[Anonymous No.]

Is ange still in midair?

>>15576071
Poor Erika

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>>15576097
This is exactly it, you aren't misunderstanding anything, the math is the same.

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>>15576097
Ep 5 red truth at the start:
>Furudo Erika had no influence on any of Beato's games before now.
>She does not exist in the worlds before this one, nor does she influence them.
>Furudo Erika only increases it by one person.

She never increased the number of people on the actual gameboard (prime, ep 1-4). All she does is become an imaginary +1 to the actual total number of people on the island. Ep 6's final red truth simply denies this +1 to the game.
>[......Sorry, but... Even if you do join us-] There are 17 people.
Sorry, but even if you join us, the number of people on the island will not move.

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>>15576114
It goes against the red truth of
>She does not exist in the worlds before this one, nor does she influence them.
Even *if* you join us, there are only 17 people. There are 17 people on the island, not 16.

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>>15576118
But that doesn't deny anything then. There were 16 people, and now that Erika is there there are 17. I don't understand what your point is

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>>15576138
It's like you can't read.

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>>15576138
It denies Erika being on the island or anyone else who wasn't part of the main cast.
Erika is a +1 to the total amount of people on the island. The end red truth of ep 6 denies that +1 or any +1 from existing.

As previously said, this is why the mystery fans have to create Black Battler. Rather than just making an Erika 2.0, they just twist Battler's personality to fuck around on the gameboard.

Erika has no influence on the gameboard. And even if she did join, her influence would not exist. That's what that red truth is denying.

That there are 17 people on the island without Erika and if Erika joins, the number will still be 17.

[Anonymous No.]

So did Shannon and Kanon work on the island on different days like they say about other servants from the Fukuin house?
That would explain why no one suspected anything, except on the day of the conference which would have been the busiest cloth/makeup changing day ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576146
Am I just being retarded now? I really don't understand what you mean here

You said that the number will not move even if she joins. The number of people in game 1-4 is 16. Battler declares at the end of game 6 that it's 17 now, which is a +1 from before, since Erika is added. What does that deny?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576146
You don't have patience for the slow minded. Where did that endless patience go? Fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576170
>The number of people in game 1-4 is 16
Oh? And what truth says that?
As the red truth says
>She does not exist in the worlds before this one, nor does she influence them.

>You said that the number will not move even if she joins.
Yes. 17 will not move if she joins.
The +1 is a +0.
[......Sorry, but... Even if you do join us-] There are 17 people.
Sorry but even if you join, that number will not increase.

What part are you not understanding?
Erika is an imaginary +1 and the red truth denies that +1, saying that even if there were a +1, it would only make 17.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576183
Just because I have endless patience does not mean I have limitless calmness. I am not a stoic without emotions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576185
>What part are you not understanding?
The part where Shannon and Kanon is the same person, so the original number was 16

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576194
I'm having fun reading. Come on. Continue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576198
Shannon and Kanon are personalities of Yasu, which are based on the Ushiromiya family and servants.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576198
''It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts''

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576210
Yes, and they count as the same person

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576212
I would agree, but then there's this. I'll stand by the Yasu theory until someone can come up with a different explanation for it

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576242
I still have no answer to give to this unfortunately.
It's so annoying.
The problem with this truth is essentially that the answer is still the same. It's a person pretending to be dead who killed Nanjo. The trick with this red truth is that it could only have been done with someone using the different name trick. And like Erika, I find this trick to be lame.
The only people who could have killed Nanjo are George, Kyrie and Shannon. However, only Shannon can the escape of that red truth with her name not being her real one, so by default, it's the only answer left.

It's really annoying because this single red truth is stopping every plausible alternative theory. I can only think of lame solutions like Kyrie dying at the same time as the shot was made, thereby dying before Nanjo died. But it also doesn't work because Battler and Eva walk around and find Nanjo dead, without a body nearby.
Or that George were only declared dead by Nanjo which made them actually dead, but that doesn't work with the red truth as it isn't a gold truth.

I'd love to think of an alternative answer but I have none.
This goddamn red web is still annoying.

[Anonymous No.]

I can't stop thinking but I can't think of anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576309
Dumb anon. You're worthless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576290
I really don't think it's possible to make a different explanation for it. It's too direct.

Also, at this point it's pretty obvious that Yasu is the explanation that Ryukishi intended, and not just a red herring like some people think

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576318
I-I can't. It's just too cruel, too direct.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576312
I-I can't. It's just too cruel, too direct.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576342
Anon pls, you're going to make me cry. Smile for me. Look at this puppy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576349
So cute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576386
You fool! Little you know the mysterious puppy was the bomb all along!! Ah! What a vile, villainous fiend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576318
Was it?
Regardless, many believe as Erika that its answers are cheap and there is nothing wrong with trying to find an alternative explanation.

I like to think of alternative answers, it's fun. But on that single point, I have nothing. It's the only thing stopping me from eating its entrails, as Bernkastel would say.
I would argue that alternative theories put focus on trying to solve the mystery without relying on the name wordplay trick. Is it possible to solve the first four episodes without relying on the unreliable narrator or the fact that Shannon is not her real name as a means of escaping the red truth?

To most answers, it is plausible to think of an alternate answer. But not Nanjo's death. You can only solve it using the alternate name trick.

So annoying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576409
>there is nothing wrong with trying to find an alternative explanation
While on the same topic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576409
There's also this, which I haven't seen another good explanation for. I've seen people suggest it was a recording, but someone would still have to make the call, and it says in red that the caller was none of the 18

[Anonymous No.]

Man, quickly glancing ep 8's manga at the end is hilarious. How much do you have to hate yourself to be able to say that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576443
Bah, every single one of us have had a moment of self hatred like that in our lives.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576442
That too requires the name trick, which is basically the answer Erika gives. Again, I have no answer and I was the one who suggested it was a recording a long while ago. Even then, a recording is just ridiculous. Though, to a certain degree, ep 5 was written by Lambda in a way that Beatrice wouldn't have if she had written it, plausibly meaning Tohya wrote with the sole purpose of fucking up the mystery fans. So cheating by using a recording is plausible in terms of an answer but I don't like it. Just because I like to give alternate theories for fun, doesn't mean I enjoy all my answers when they're lame themselves. Like Ryukishi, I self reflect on how it feels and judge it.

It's really annoying when you try to give a theory that doesn't rely on the name trick and the only answer left to give is the name trick.

[Anonymous No.]

Wasn't the Rosatrice explanation for the First Twilight of Episode 3 that Nanjo had the key and just pretended to find it on Shannon? The manga disproves that as well

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576478
Will and Dlanor really doesn't like the Rosatrice theory

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576478
I feel like Erika at the end of ep 5, haha.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576478
Hmmm.

>the ones who discovered the corpses of the first twilight had no part in the murders or the construction of the interconnected room
Meaning it HAD to be someone inside the interconnected room and no one else.
Meaning it couldn't have been Rosa or George.

And on that, I don't have an answer.
Ep 3 is such a mess for alternative theories.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576124
That's exactly what it says however (he says there are 16 people in the island not counting with Erika).

There's absolutely no difference

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576242
You don't need to "stand by" it, it was pretty obvious since EP 6 that it was canon (and 100% confirmed by the manga).

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576539
>(he says there are 16 people in the island not counting with Erika)
No he doesn't, he says that even if Erika joins the island, the number will remain at 17. You are confusing the two as being the same.
16+1 = 17 =/= 17 +1 -1

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576409
Well, the foreshadowing is all there, and the rules were followed to a T. It's not cheap at all, it was really solidly constructed as a plot device.

It's especially funny when people STILL WERE IN DOUBT ABOUT IT to the point R07 needed to address the whole thing more explicitly in the manga to prove the point, when the same people could just re-read the whole thing with more attention to reach the same conclusion properly, and, even so, this very same people are now complaining about not having alternative interpretations.

>Umineko gave answers implicitly and ended the VN without exposing the truth besides giving all the answers about it for anyone willing to find out about them.

90% of the fanbase, especially on 4chan bitches about it and say it needed to be 100% sure, said in red, to be acceptable, otherwise it's just not explained at all.

>Ryukishi makes the answer explicit, even if it ruins one whole point of Umineko's writing thus far, which would be people finding the answer by themselves in a game between author and readers.

The hate pretty much stops (except for butthurt fags who got offended by their theories being symbolized as goats and slaughtered at EP8 or the Rosatrice kind of guys who spent to many hours theorizing something incorrect), and then people suddenly starts bitching about the answer being 100% clear, leaving no room for alternative explanations or plot holes.

Fuck off, THIS is fucking annoying instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576580
>THIS is fucking annoying instead.
You fuck off. People are allowed to have their own fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576549
Are we even referring to the same "he"?

I'm talking about Battler at the end of Episode 6, and not the infodump anon from above.

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>>15576585
Anon, they are clearly not having any fun, and are just nitpicking about this all.

Unless this can also be considered fun for them (bunch of trolling witches and shit, this /jp/ has), but yeah, not like that is impossible.

In any case, just giving my two cents about this discussion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576580
What is your problem?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576612
Small Bombs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576606
>I decide if other people are having fun, so stop it!
Don't confuse what you consider annoying and what someone else considers annoying.
Just because someone has fun thinking of alternative scenarios even if it's impossible and you are so autistically rigid to not accept anything else doesn't make it annoying.
Kids can whistle in the wind for fun and find it annoying that they can't hear their whistling in a strong patch of wind, and you think just whistling itself is annoying.

Without love it cannot be seen and you lack love to see why people enjoy making alternative theories.
Not that I obviously don't understand the sentiment you're coming from but that time has long past.

>>15576612
He doesn't like fun
>arghhh it's so annoying that I can't think out of this logic problem
>FUCK YOU FOR EVEN TALKING ABOUT THIS, IT'S SO ANNOYING, FUCK OFF AND NEVER COME BACK, STOP BEING SO BUTTHURT AND ACCEPT IT OKAY, JUST STOP HAVING FUN!

[Anonymous No.]

Another problem humans have when discussing truth is that they become so territorial about forcing other people to accept their own truth.
Humanity would be so much better if it acted nonchalant about everything and mellow.

So much importance, so much scorn, so much pointless hatred.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576622
>Kids can whistle in the wind for fun
piiiiiiiiii
>He doesn't like fun
I wonder what he thinks it would be appropriate. These threads are mostly alive because of this type of conversations after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576622
>>15576634

You probably get what am I talking about in there, I'm not just being a jerk for the sake of it (prob just spent too many years on /jp/ discussing Umineko at this point).

But I apologize for the rudeness of my "no fun allowed" kind of reaction, it wasn't really my intention. Just trying to evade that stuff yet again, the threads right now are really nice to read imo

Let's just get over with this at this point.

So, changing subject, any news about the 3DS Higanbana release?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576642
Beyond this? No. Not that I've heard of.
http://www.famitsu.com/news/201607/21111233.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576642
You're forgiven, grumpy puppy.
>news about the 3DS Higanbana release
Nope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576642
It releases in 4 days, so I doubt there will be any more news until then.

Because of the low price, and the fact that it's download only, I assume it's a direct port without any new art or voice acting

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576646
>>15576648
>>15576653
I wonder if they are going to include any extra content in there.

From what I can see, they are going to release both nights altogether in a single game.

The artstyle is the same too, apparently.

Still, first 07th Expansion console release in years, not counting Higurashi Sui (which is more of an anthology.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576634
>piiiiiiiiii
Huh, ironic.
Just remembering it still annoys me.

>I wonder what he thinks it would be appropriate
Memes and collectivism.

>>15576642
>You probably get what am I talking about in there, I'm not just being a jerk for the sake of it
I know, I understand.

>But I apologize for the rudeness of my "no fun allowed" kind of reaction, it wasn't really my intention.
It's fine, that's why I said I understood your sentiment. You know, as much as I'm cynical about people not understand others and communication being almost impossible, humans can still understand an agreement and communicate through our emotions to the point where we can rightfully feel what another person wants.

I think people are weirdly hard on others by how something is said and misunderstanding the intent of what was said more than what was said itself along with the tone.

It's nice when you can understand the other person, and the other person understands where you're coming from. Sometimes, optimism wins.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576646
And a ching chong nip nong to you too, anon.
>>15576668
Uh-huh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576664
>they are going to release both nights altogether in a single game.
Are you sure? It says The First Night in the Famitsu article

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576673
Don't just ignore my grand surge of optimism!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576678
Optimism optimism. You repeat that word so much it makes me think is something that you want to reach but that you don't really have.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576675
I can't moonrunes, it was just an assumption (should have translateed the page).
So, there are going to be two releases then.

Let's hope it's not going to be like Umineko Portable (3 and 4 never). And yeah, I'm one of those guys who collect japanese stuff not knowing japanese yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576668
I personally like your point of view.

Optimism is something people are not very found of these days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576678
You remind me at those idiots that repeat every single sentence of a self-help book. Truly pathetic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576682
Reminded me of this

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576678
Hehehe. As if you did not know me by now. I'm just making fun of you. I don't really mean it.
Stupid.
>>15576700
Funny.

[Anonymous No.]

That funny moment when people talk about optimism in a Seacats thread.

While the story got quite an esoteric happy ending, especially for Ange (borderline Downer ending, but still in the bittersweet line because of said positivism).

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576682
More like something I don't believe but pokes its head at times that makes me believe it exists.
I'm just like Rika, endlessly cynical but pointlessly always hopeful and optimistic for no reason.

>>15576692
Sometimes you need to lie to yourself enough times for it to become the truth. And knowing how to obtain happiness doesn't mean people follow it, either out of laziness or lack of determination.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576704
As if I didn't know.
You're like my Lambda.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576715
Thank you. Have a bunny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576709
Guess someone visit TVTropes quite a bit, huh? I'm not the only one then.

That epilogue actually got me depressed the second time I read Umineko. Not really sure why I didn't felt so bad the first time I finished the VN.

Maybe it's how everybody says around here, Umineko must be read more than once to be appreciated properly... even though I'm not sure if this could be considered as appreciation, I felt like shit for those poor characters desu

Though, it did ended in a positive note, still pretty sad ending overall imo

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576733
It's completely different experience, isn't? The first time and the second time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576733
I'd love to read more stories where optimism defeats cynicism.
Ryukishi is the only author I know that has given me that sentiment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576733
The first time you just let yourself flow into the story. The second time you are more focused and you can see those small details hiding in the story more easily.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576763
Blame the curiosity and the boredom with which we born. They're the true culprits!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576742
>>15576754

Yeah, this is pretty much it.
I was rather ignoring the heart at times, during the first time reading. In the second reading there was just so many details I missed I actually found myself murmuring "this is genius" quite a few times.

>>15576748
Ryukishi's motto says it all. Just read some of his interviews and you will see why are his stories structured like that.

And personally, I find that guy to be a loveable individual. He is a very nice person and the positive vibes even in his darkest works are very apparent probably because of this.

The guy is smiling 70% of the time really, and seems to truly love what he do in life.

Me and a few friends met up with him some years ago in the second 07th Expansion Party, he is someone I would aspire to be if I was an author. Quite a modest guy too btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576771
Might as well blame humanity itself.

Apathy is truly the only merit left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r63CsrHZGR8

I find it funny how much scorn there is in history of scientific discovery. In the quest of finding the truth, even the best humanity have to offer has never been able to become above that. Just, why are we like this?

>>15576793
I know, that's why I love Ryukishi. Although I think he's bullshitting half the time and hides his true nature, especially when he says his personality is like Beatrice, he looks and acts so humble, like Ange at the end of ep 8.

I know it's endlessly cheese but I am truly happy he is born and that I can read his stories. I'd really love to meet him in person. Just shake his hands or something. I dunno.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576793
I think he's a genuinely nice person. Some in here think he's fake or that he's hiding something inside. Heh. You don't need to have a dark mind to create these cruel stories, just an open mind and a lot of creativity, wich he has, and a few books of history and that's it. It's on those happy times and warm parts that you can see the guy like he is for real.
If anything, he's a critic more than a writer
>>15576816
>Might as well blame humanity itself.
Well, yeah. We're a mass of all those things. The good ones and the bad ones.

[Anonymous No.]

For anyone curious on how well are 07th Expansion works doing on Steam, here is a list:

http://steamspy.com/dev/07th+Expansion

Giving a copy of Umineko as a gift to my friend today. Gotta up those numbers and guarantee a possible Iwaihime futurely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576816
>You are so uncool if you don't say it.
Meh.
>>15576829
Hmmm. Not very much.

[Anonymous No.]

Anything new on hotarubi/country girl/iwaihime translations?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576847
A certain anon got us the first chapter translated.

Another anon couldn't get the raws and now is waiting for the first tankobon.

The rest, it only depends if we get a korean anon to translate the chapters from maru maru.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576823
I trust Ryukishi when he says in an interview that his personality is that of Beatrice and K1. Giggling like a schoolboy, always teasing and perverted, but also endlessly cynical and cruel at times, only to quickly revert back to being whimsical.

That story where he purposefully made Rika evil because she was BT's favorite and wanted to see his reaction tells you everything about him. I believe that he is endlessly humble as he portrays himself in interviews, but it lacks an element of cruelty from his work.
And I will never forget that shining glee in his eyes when he corrected someone who mispronounced Rose Guns Days when he came to France in 2012.

I truly love him as an author.

>>15576829
>http://steamspy.com/dev/07th+Expansion
>3.3 k for Higurashi ep 3 and less than 3k for Umineko
Ouch.
Hopefully MG doesn't drop translating Higurashi. I would love for a package deal to be released so that I can buy it for as many people as I can.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576847
>Hotarubi
There aren't any raws

>Country Girl
Still going as far as I know

>Iwaihime
No

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576835
>>You are so uncool if you don't say it.
I don't understand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576856
Thank god there's no piracying on Umineko yet.
The numbers doubled compared to last week.

[Anonymous No.]

Honestly, what we need is a second season. Pfff! I hate the anime as well, but I'm sure it would attract more attention.
Or let it die and just keep the good memories.
>>15576856
>I will never forget that shining glee in his eyes when he corrected someone who mispronounced Rose Guns Days when he came to France in 2012
Interesting.
>I truly love him as an author.
Oh, me too.
>>15576862
Watch the video.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576865
You know, there is barely any piracy on his work at all when they're released. At least as far as I look. I still remember, back before RGD's 4th season was released, trying to find a pirated copy of Season 3 so that I might read what Witch Hunt had already translated.

If it wasn't for an obscure Tumblr page, I would have never found it.

>>15576876
>Watch the video.
OOOOH. That thing. Meh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576876
>what we need is a second season
That will never happen ever. I'm hoping for a Rose Guns Days anime though. I think it's more likely overall, since it's getting a new release and a stage play soon

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576887
>That will never happen ever.
I know, just saying.
>I'm hoping for a Rose Guns Days anime
We can dream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576881
Tatarigoroshi was up on Nyaa after a week or so though. I'm kind of surprised that Umineko hasn't been uploaded yet

[Anonymous No.]

Speaking of Rose Guns Days
>play RGD
>finish Last Season
>???? comes up
>oh boy
>Dear You starts playing
>HOLY SHIT WOO
>and now... the story that has been dormant for almost a decade... will come back
>HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT
>wait
>oh
>that's Higurashi Hou isn't it?
>shit that already came out half a year ago
>sad.jpeg

>>15576887
>Rose Guns Days anime though
I'd love that. Either that or a Higanbana anime.
Higanbana would be perfect. 2-3 episode per story, /a/ would love the bullying and horror. It would be great.
12 episodes would surely be enough for First Night, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576854
>>15576858
Thanks for the info.

[Anonymous No.]

Literally everybody I've saw and read about who met with Ryukishi, said he is a really nice and and even an adorable individual.

I want to met him in person so bad now...

I saw his interview with Uchikoshi the other day, and he seems so enthusiastic and dreamer when talking about writing.

Sure hope just the best for him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576896
>It would be great.
12 episodes would surely be enough for First Night, right?

It would. 12-13 episodes for each night would do just fine to adapt everything.

I wonder however how would the narrative structure be presented, since it's really shifty (like for example, a monologue starts during the change of scene after the very same omniscient narrative is talking about what said character was thinking at that moment).

Which reminds me, it was the only problem I noticed in the english translation for it (the translator messed up at some parts because of this very structure).

Umineko completely lost great part of its content in the anime for the lack of it, I wonder how would they do with Higanbana animated (when the original manga was inferior also because of that).

Ryukishi is too good with his own text desu, it becomes complicated to adapt his works properly because of it.

[Anonymous No.]

'a ha ha'

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576928
I dunno. Although the Higanbana manga was overly grimdark to the point of ridiculousness, most of Ryukishi's works are good when adapted to manga.
I think RGD's manga is decent enough to work as a framework for the anime, though it goes insanely fast. The VN has a chance to slow down and explain all the keikakus happening but the manga just goes through it fast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576928
If we get an anime of Higanbana it's probably going to be more like the manga. The anime, like all of them (except a very few exceptions), is condemned to be rushed, censored and mediocre in comparison with the original source.
>>15576948
Dumb Erika poster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576960
>Dumb Erika poster
I just thought that single panel was hilarious while rereading the manga.
>condemned to be rushed, censored and mediocre in comparison with the original source.
Yeah, but it would be nice to see it.

I just want to see teenage Rika being chased by elementary school boys who want to take off her bra.
And it becomes more kinky and funnier if you imagine that they're already taken off her bra and are chasing to remove her panties.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576948
Also the random detail of leaving tea stain on her tongue is just so random and adds to the devilishness that it's just so hilarious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576956
Not saying the manga is bad (not at all), just that it sure loses some nice content only the VN could provide us properly (including the nice narrative and awesome OST).

How is the manga for RGD btw, I'm really curious in how they adapted the VN in about 12 volumes or so.

>>15576960
Hm, the manga is the original material, not the VN (sorry if I'm just misinterpretating your reply btw, I'm just under the impression you consider the VN to be the source instead),.
The visual novel is the final product for sure, however.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576966
Shut up. I can imagine the shitposting already. The threads are going to be infested with you and your lolifags colleagues. I'm not going to have a place in there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576970
>Hm, the manga is the original material
Ah... I forgot. My bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576948
This makes her seem even more of a jerk she already is, damn.

Huh, people did told me manga Erika managed to be show even more bitchy-ness overall. I guess this is one of the evidences.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576970
It's pretty good but the entire thing feels rushed and fast.
I think it's made that way deliberately.

>>15576972
>The threads are going to be infested with you and your lolifags colleagues

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576980
Read the manga dammit!
>>15576984
Am I wrong? I'm not trying to be offensive or anything, idiot. They already endured my annoying self enough last year, and I promise to not annoy them anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>I like big breast, thick thighs, a woman's sexual allure and submissiveness as she powerplays and teases me!

>>15576990
I never said you were wrong either.

I still would love to see teenage Rika being chased by a horde of shota kids trying to undress her.
The reason I brought it up is because it's the one thing some Ryukishi tumblr reviewer bitched about and considered it worthless trash because it's unrealistic, while I just find it endlessly hilarious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576972
What are you, a loli?

>>15576984

[Anonymous No.]

Not to mention Ryukishi last year at the convention going
>You guys want lolis?
>Yeah!
>then I'll give you lolis!
>WOOO

And, to be fair, the guy does make god tier lolis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576997
What I'm trying to say is that I don't want to be annoying. You piss me off.
>Ryukishi tumblr reviewer bitched about and considered it worthless trash
Yeah, I hear about it. I don't really care so I didn't read that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15576990
Well, big part of Umineko's fanbase came from Higurashi, and there's a lot of loli pandering in that one.

Don't blame the anons for the inevitable, everybody in here at least has nothing against lolis (most of the people like them for good tho).

I'm in the middle. I like pettanko but not too young (possibly above the age of 19). Since most pettankos are lolis, there's no escape.

Just embrace the loli, don't go into the hatedom.

Leaving the classic video in here:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm1999925

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>>15577018
>Umineko's fanbase came from Higurashi
Like me. You know, let's forget I say anything. I don't know what to say so I prefer to keep my mouth shut. I'm sorry.

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>>15577007
>What I'm trying to say is that I don't want to be annoying.
Well, that's up to your own 'endless patience' isn't it?

>>15577018
>http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm1999925
Heh, thank god for the idealization of fetishes and the nips embracing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP90Wnj0LTo

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>>15577034
>endless patience
You're kidding. What endless patience do I have?

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>>15577040
That's the joke. Unlike me, you're nothing.

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>>15577042
We're all pathetic in our own ways. I'm jealous, impatience, I want everything, I'm afraid to be alone, and a lot of other things that I can't see beyond my own vision of myself. I'm not ashamed to admit it.
You... don't make me start. Nobody is perfect.

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>>15577034
Yet another classic (couldn't find the Nico version, but fortunately, Youtube has it):

REJOICE, LOLI GOAT COMPANIONS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CIubsKrTm4

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>>15577062
Nani??

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>>15577062
I don't have self awareness as a lolicon, but I know and have watched most of what the pictures and video cuts reference to in those two videos.
Should I be afraid?

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>>15577071
Yes. Yes, you should.

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>>15577071
I mean, then again I've watched literally everything that has aired from the current year until 2000 +entry level shows from the 20th century and of course dropping it if it's trash past episode 3 while currently doing the same for my manga/light novel backlog, so it's inevitable to watch them

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>>15577061
Eh, nobody is perfect but at least I'm perfect-er than you.

>>15577071
Only if you feel a sense of shame.
I mean, there was a lot of doremi in there and I never felt anything sexual for any of them.

[Anonymous No.]

Bern has been acting pretty fucking weird this time round. 1-4 she seemed at least on Battler's side, this time she's just cackling away like any other witch

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>>15577082
Now you just want me to get mad. It's not going to work this time. I don't have any reason for that.

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>>15577082
>I'm perfect-er than you.
Hmmm, I missed a perfect opportunity to say perfect-o

Ah well.

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>>15577082
Shame? No. Not even sexual interest either.
I simply found the shows interesting enough to watch through all of their episodes without dropping them halfway through. From mild things like doremi or the entire PreCure franchise from Futari Wa&Max Heart up until HaCha up to actual lolicon tier shit

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I go to sleep for a few hours and the activity suddenly skyrockets. What happened?

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>>15577096
Optimism!

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As long as you fuckers maintain what happens in the 2D in the 2D, everything is fine really.

People should stop judging people for what they fap. My IRL wife likes to see shota being tortured with candles by someone older than him, and she don't use our kid to do any of this stuff (nor do I, just adding).

Leave the fetishism alone, people like the 2D because it's secure to be fucked up in that world. It's not like we gonna go full "Sodom" for real or something.

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>>15577089
See? You're worthless.
>>15577090
In my opinion you seem normal. Just the average anime fan that loves anime.
>>15577096
Honestly? Nothing.
>>15577100
>My IRL wife likes to see shota being tortured with candles by someone older than him
Hehehe.

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>>15577100
>As long as you fuckers maintain what happens in the 2D in the 2D,
As Irie says, so long as it stays in the mind, it's fine.
Rape is one of my main fetishes, so meh.

>>15577105
>See? You're worthless.
Shut uuuup, shut up shut up!

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>>15577100
I'm not going to say anything about my fetishes, but impeccable taste<3<3<3
>>15577115
Pfff!

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Well it was funny and interesting experience, I guess. Good thread.

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Oh god, we're 60 posts late
What will we do if we incur OCD anon's wrath?

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>>15577148
>OCD
Huh?

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>>15577148
>OCD anon's wrath?
Who?

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>>15577152
Old thread joke

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Playing the 5th game for the first time, Battler's empathy for Beatrice is...weird.

Did he forget the part where Beatrice fabricated another witch existing, and in the process had Maria and Rosa resurrected and killed in dozens of horrific ways? Did he forget that? Did he forget that SHE did that? Because it's like he forgot that.

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>>15577148
What?

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>>15577148
>Obsessive Compulsive Disorder
Limp dick???
>>15577158
Oh.

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>>15577159
When you become immortal, you become immoral.
Human life, existence and time we have left to live is the standard by which we attribute all morals. By ep 5, Battler just didn't care anymore.

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>>15577168
So now Battler's on a moral standard where horrific murder and torture are forgivable? Gee wiz. Sure am glad the dead people didn't believe in witches hard enough, or their ghosts would be haunting the fuck out of him at this point

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>>15577171
Are you the new anon from before? I see you took my advice and went for the original. Having fun? Everything is going to make sense later. Enjoy the ride, it's going to be crazy.

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>>15577171
Meh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r63CsrHZGR8

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This is enjoyable. I think I understand the feeling now.
>>15577171
Advice: Don't read NOTHING above my post.
>>15577180
GOD IS DEAD

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>>15577174
Yep, I'm that other anon from before.

>it's going to make sense
This is probably the most reassuring thing I've heard. Because so far it's like I'm adrift in some kind of crazy place and I have no idea how to get off

>>15577180
Well then.

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>>15577190
Look at this bunny. Look into his eyes and tell me I'm lying.

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>>15576858
>Iwaihime
>no
http://hotchocolatescans.com/projects/iwaihime/

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>>15577180
You're boring.

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>>15576580
>except for butthurt fags who got offended by their theories being symbolized as goats and slaughtered at EP8 or the Rosatrice kind of guys who spent to many hours theorizing something incorrect
Well, most of the theories that the goats propose on EP8 are just retarded and end up being denied by previous reds, only by the end do we get some good goats.

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>>15577189
>GOD IS DEAD
God is immoral because he cannot die and value existence
Therefore God is evil.

Checkmate Christians.

God is just another word for causality. God is dead because morality being attributed to causality is dead.

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>>15577203
awesome

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>>15577266
I don't believe in God, so he is nothing to me. Not evil or good. I hate him. What I said it's a reference from Nichijou. I just wanted to said it.

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>>15577276
I know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5bOJT_HtUI

I just wanted to rant.

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God is dead and so is this thread.

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>>15577293
Well, yeah. Page 9-10.

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>>15577293
Should I wait until we hit page 10 or make a new one now?

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I'm so creating a new thread exactly at 600 this time around...
>>15577148
>>15577158
Yoooou....!!!

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>>15577297
Hmmm, wait until this one dies. Everything is going to be more calm then.
>>15577298
I don't get it.

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Wait, there are still people don't get the 'there are still only 17 people' thing? It's 17 because that's the original post-Kinzo count. Kanon and Shannon are counted as separate people in that count. Erika doesn't add to it because, like Kinzo, she's a corpse.

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>>15576098
>be in page 8
>gain another 200 replies
I-it wasn't like this 2 years ago!

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>>15577364
Shutter Island has 67 or 66 patients

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>>15577403
shutter island was shit and most people only saw it because the trailer made it look like a completely different movie.

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>>15576619

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>>15577423
The book was pretty good (nothing near Umineko as a mystery or as a psychological thriller, but pretty good).

What's wrong with the movie (I didn't watched it)?

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>>15577743
>>15577743
>>15577743

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>>15577759
You guys love me, don't you!

At least it was an even number instead of an odd one. My OCD is not completely triggered this time around.

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>>15577759
5 8 8

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>>15577203
That's just the manga, though, not the VN.