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Mahjong Thread Anonymous Wed Jun 29 07:18:13 2016 No.15466098 [Reply] [Original]

General mahjong information:
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And upcoming:
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Pictured is the Amos Rexx. And a video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRA57BY9Alw

June just ended. How did you do for the month?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 29 07:31:09 2016 No.15466116 >>15466098 I made several accounts this month, but for the one I'll be sticking with I had 15+14+6+5 = 40戦 ippan 21+23+20+12 = 76戦 joukyuu

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 29 08:51:53 2016 No.15466248 File: 302 KB, 1231x1016, dgkdsj.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The absolute madman.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 29 12:38:03 2016 No.15466737 File: 251 KB, 2177x1452, 1450392471427.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 29 12:39:10 2016 No.15466741 File: 222 KB, 800x600, 1464483539632.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 29 15:38:25 2016 No.15467156 File: 45 KB, 500x200, That's a lot of dora.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15466248

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 29 18:23:50 2016 No.15467713 >>15466248 Ryanmen with kan called and all tiles for said wait are live. That's a textbook riichi.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 29 18:24:43 2016 No.15467720 File: 460 KB, 739x629, this game sucked ass.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] No flow at all that game. Shit sucked.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 29 18:26:14 2016 No.15467725 >>15467720 4, 7, 8 wait. Preferably 4, 7. It'd suck getting the 8, as you'd be 4-han lesser.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 29 18:27:23 2016 No.15467728 >>15467725 I dealt in. That was the theme of that episode.

Anonymous Wed Jun 29 18:29:41 2016 No.15467735

>>15467728
Oh shit. I didn't notice. Sorry for your loss.

Assuming that 4-pin was in your hand, rather than a drawn tile. It should've been gone a long time ago, as it was a worthless middle tile.

If you drew it, then the option for tanki. But of course, most people wouldn't give up a nice wait your hand had.

Just not meant to be, I suppose.

Anonymous Wed Jun 29 18:52:25 2016 No.15467806

>>15467735
Yeah, I probably should have discarded 4p a long time ago. But I was at a loss when it came to hand development since most of my hand were dominated by nine 9 tiles.

It just wasn't my game. My ryanman waits lost to penchan waits and I dealt into a damaten chankan dora 3 hand in S3.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 29 18:55:41 2016 No.15467817 >>15467806 My bad, it was a damaten sanshoku junchan for 8000. Ugh.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 29 20:36:39 2016 No.15468208 File: 188 KB, 1280x960, HE HATES IT.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] End of the month, post those stats

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 29 21:39:20 2016 No.15468452 File: 62 KB, 444x202, 1424407495887.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15468208 16+19+16+28 = 79戦 Probably the worst month I've ever had.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 29 22:13:58 2016 No.15468557 File: 3 KB, 520x36, Untitled-1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15468208 Dropped the ball a bit near the end, but it's good.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 29 22:32:21 2016 No.15468627 File: 4 KB, 232x162, 039fde7cf66e128de8bfbaae8146cede[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15468208

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 29 23:49:40 2016 No.15468832 File: 436 KB, 756x637, sealed.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] obligatory >2dan in ippan comment I knocked him down to last at least.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 29 23:54:44 2016 No.15468853 File: 471 KB, 737x641, airtight.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15468832 definitely wrong pic oops

Anonymous Thu Jun 30 01:00:51 2016 No.15469037

How do I learn the art of sashikomi? I just had a game where I was 1st in oorasu when 2nd riichid. I called a chi to kill the ippatsu and ended up dealing into someone else's open fanpai while still securing 1st. It was unintentional but is there a technique for sashikomi that can be learned?

Anonymous Thu Jun 30 01:08:10 2016 No.15469058

>>15469037
It basically just works the opposite of defense. The only thing to keep in mind is that you don't drop tiles that are dangerous against the guy that you don't want to win.

If you want to be on the receiving end, then try and make it clear that your hand is cheap (by discarding dora, for example) and make your wait as obvious as you can. Even in tokujou though, you'd have to be pretty lucky for someone to notice and deal in.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 01:36:33 2016 No.15469135 File: 3 KB, 240x187, junestats.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 02:37:53 2016 No.15469329 So tired of gyakuten knocking me down to second or third or last.

Anonymous Thu Jun 30 02:48:30 2016 No.15469355
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>valuable hand with a bad wait
>Iron riichi
>Kamicha is hesitating
>Throw fist in the air, then point to him
>Boldly declare: such a bad wait! But it's ok, my winning tile WILL appear on this discard!
>5 man drops, victory!

>No witnesses to this powermove

Why live?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 03:02:09 2016 No.15469387 Why is every lobby in 7447 filled with at least 1 waiting? Also, 3:0

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 03:05:53 2016 No.15469397 >>15469387 You can queue for multiple modes at once.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 03:14:03 2016 No.15469422 File: 50 KB, 597x437, June.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15468208 I went from 5-dan, back to 4-dan, back up to 5-dan, and quickly on my way back down. Yea. This sucks. I need to git gud.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 03:42:14 2016 No.15469465 >>15469422 Bad news...i looked at your stats, you are tanking. I'm not sure if you want to spend hundreds of games losing points.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 03:44:30 2016 No.15469471 File: 261 KB, 767x597, tdsnagrivf_o.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15469465 Well, it's a matter of taking the beatings now and learn. Gonna need about 1000+ tokujou games. STUDY STUDY STUDY!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 04:02:39 2016 No.15469504 >>15469037 Basically, defend against the player you want to keep down. Then not care about the other two.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 05:42:17 2016 No.15469917 File: 455 KB, 734x630, manshoku.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016063018gm-00c1-0000-90f8d3b3&tw=2 If only I can always get this kind of luck. Back to R1800 at least.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 06:12:58 2016 No.15470106 Watching the buster disconnect while the han are being listed is pretty funny.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 06:49:35 2016 No.15470303 I bought that pretty battle girls mahjong game on steam so I could play without internet connection. I think the AI is weak because there's no reason I should be winning 2/3 of my games without even looking at the discards most of the time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 10:37:10 2016 No.15470985 >>15470303 the AI is super weak. I'm a fairly mediocre player and my winning rate in that game is over 50%. ridiculous.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 11:30:54 2016 No.15471131 >>15468208 16+10+9+11 = 46戦 My game has stalled. Mainly because I keep losing the first match of the day I played.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 11:34:10 2016 No.15471145 File: 1023 KB, 732x1240, fuck chun and south wind.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Feels like shanpon waits on south wind and chun are the death of me today, even across accounts.

Anonymous Thu Jun 30 11:59:19 2016 No.15471220
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>>15470303
>>15470985
How do I get good?

I just started playing Mahjong from knowing nothing, using the game to practice and learn the ropes.
I got pretty ok, can win about 1/3 of the time.
But I can't figure out how to read discards and sometimes discard the tile others win with.

Here is one of my favorite hands, got it on the last discard.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 12:14:59 2016 No.15471276 >>15471220 >read discards You can't. It's just some occult stuff.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 12:26:08 2016 No.15471308 >>15471276 There's inferences you can get from discards, but if you're thinking that you'll reach a point where you can visualize their hands like a seer, that's anime shit

Anonymous Thu Jun 30 12:36:45 2016 No.15471341

>>15471220
3 steps

1:assuming you know the basic rules. Learn about tile efficientcy and yaku

2:learn about defense. Specifically WHEN to bail on a hand and how (genbutsu, suji, kabe)

3:reading discards. This isn't something you can read a guide to learn, it comes from experience.

If you focus on 1 and 2 you'll have the tools you need to be good

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 12:50:42 2016 No.15471378 >>15471220 You need talent. If you're not talented your ceiling is limited and you will likely be a mediocre player forever.

Anonymous Thu Jun 30 12:57:56 2016 No.15471395
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>>15471220
>But I can't figure out how to read discards and sometimes discard the tile others win with.
Basically you need to learn how to defend. When an opponent declares Riichi, think about how many tiles you are away from tenpai, and how much the hand you're going for is worth. Far from tenpai, or cheap hand, or both? In most cases, you should fold. Kokushi musou isshanten? It might be worth the risk depending on point standing. If you fold, tiles that your opponent has already discarded are 100% safe due to the rule of furiten: he cannot declare ron on that tile. Tiles that opponents discard after the Riichi that are not called on are also 100% safe to discard, as declining a win while Riichi'd automatically gives your hand furiten.

When you run out of tiles the opponent discards, you then start going for impossible/improbable waits. Impossible waits, most of the time, are either honor tiles with three already discarded (honor tiles can only make triplets, so if three are already out, no one can be waiting on the last one, UNLESS he's in tenpai for Kokushi Musou but that's extremely unlikely and easy to deduce by his discards), or isolated terminal tiles with three out that are kabe (meaning a valid sequence with the tile is eliminated due to all 4 of a particular tile in that sequence being unavailable, for example, 789man, if all 8 man are out, 789 cannot be formed, so the only valid melds that 9man can be used in are triplets or the pair of 9man).

After you've exhausted impossible waits, you move on to improbable waits, so here you might start dealing honor tiles with one or two out, as they can only complete shanpon or tanki waits. It's never really safe to deal middle tiles of a suit against a Riichi unless they've already been discarded. Most Riichis will be waiting on two sides for their winning tiles, as it is advantageous to do so, but because of this, there are a few tricks you can use to narrow down safe(r) tiles when you've exhausted 100% and 99%-95% safe tiles. This is where the theory of Suji comes in. Suji essentially takes advantage of the fact that a slight majority of Riichis are two-sided waits (60% or so I think was the number I've read), and uses the furiten rule to deduce safe tiles to deal against a Riichi. You'll often see the numbers 1-4-7, 2-5-8, 3-6-9 in reference to Suji, as these are the Suji intervals that you need to remember.

According to Suji, when an opponent has discarded the middle number of one of these three intervals, the outlying numbers are Suji, and safe(r) to deal. Why is this? Let's assume the Riichi-ing player has a 4man in his discard. If we make the assumption that he's using a two-sided wait for his Riichi, then if he had 23man in his hand waiting on a 1man and 4man, he's already discarded one of his winning tiles, so even if he was using that shape (unlikely), he couldn't declare Ron because of furiten. So from this, 1man is safe(r) than a non-suji tile, because he's either not using the 23man shape for his wait, or he's in furiten for 1,4man and can only win by Tsumo. It's also important to note that if only one of the outlying numbers of the Suji intervals are discarded, for example, 7man, 4man is still dangerous to deal because it can be completed with a 23man wait. The 4 man with a 7man in the discards is considered half-suji; it's not as safe as a suji tile, but safer than a non-suji tile because it completes less waits statistically.

As for "reading" discards to determine an opponent's hand, there's no sure-fire way to do that outside of a rough estimate if the opponent's hand is closed. Kokushi musou is one of the only exceptions, as it's often decided to go for it at the beginning of the hand, and often, the player's initial-mid discards will all be suited tiles of 2-8. Depending on the lack (or relative lack) of a certain suit in an opponent's discards, you might be able to figure he's going for a single suit hand or a single suit+honors hand. If his hand is open, pay attention to the tiles he's calling and tiles he's discarding. Open dragon pon and chi of 234 sou, and lack of sou tiles in the discards? Reeks of honitsu. 123man chi, 123 sou chi? Most likely an (obvious) open sanshoku. Think about what yaku he might be going for, and try not to deal the tiles he needs to complete those yaku, if they're not already completed. You shouldn't worry about narrowing down the actual tiles your opponent is waiting for; if you can determine what tiles he's NOT waiting on, that's just as good.

Also, pay attention to the fucking Dora. I cannot say this enough. People will go out of their way to wait on or near the Dora tile because even if it's inefficient, it gives their hand more value. The Dora is really fucking dangerous at all times unless the opponent has already discarded it. Tiles around the Dora are also dangerous.

If you have any other questions, feel free to ask! I'm by no means the best player, but I try.

Anonymous Thu Jun 30 13:49:38 2016 No.15471524
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>>15471395
Also to note, in reference to Suji in case some aspects of the theory might be unclear:
1). When the middle tile of a given Suji interval is discared, BOTH outlying tiles are Suji. I just used a 14man wait as an example, but it also applies to a 47man wait as well.
2). If both outside tiles of a Suji interval are discarded, the inner tile is also Suji (So 17man in the discards means 4 is Suji)

There's a lot more in depth articles on Osamuko and other sites about Suji and other defense theories that you should probably read too, in case my post left any ambiguities in your mind.
http://osamuko.com/basic-defense-techniques-in-mahjong/
http://osamuko.com/umaikeiki-defense-guide-betaori-and-suji/
http://justanotherjapanesemahjongblog.blogspot.com/p/list-of-defence-theory-articles.html

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 16:28:12 2016 No.15472192 >death to all the cowards who play everything always dama you have to be a real coward piece of shit to have pinfu iipeikou dora 2 in the fourth turn and not riichi

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 16:48:45 2016 No.15472280 I've been stuck in 2dan for like 250 games now. I'm starting to wonder why do I even keep trying.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 17:23:59 2016 No.15472387 >>15472280 I've been stuck in 4dan <1800R hell for like 600 games.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 18:02:35 2016 No.15472512 I've been under R1500 since last year

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 18:40:40 2016 No.15472646 >>15472387 That's a shit hell, because you start believing that you're better than most joukyuu players -- and yet, you still lose to them.

Anonymous Thu Jun 30 19:04:44 2016 No.15472715
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>>15471341
>>15471395
>>15471524
Woah, thanks for all the in depth information and tips!

I'm glad I finally have enough mahjong skill and knowhow to finally participate in the mahjong threads and understand what you say.
For awhile I just lurked

I'm going to save all your posts and links so I can remember them.

>>15471276
>>15471308
>>15471378
Regardless, I learned quite a bit from watching the discards and playstyle of others, like what tiles are typical to discard first.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 19:24:06 2016 No.15472782 File: 412 KB, 734x628, biggest wuss this side of the orient.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15472192 If that makes someone a piece of shit, then I'm the trash dump of a Wienerschnitzel shack.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 19:28:47 2016 No.15472806 >>15472782 Poor toimen. That's some serious bullshit.

Anonymous Thu Jun 30 19:33:19 2016 No.15472832
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>>15472806
No kidding. I literally only had two wasted draws for that baiman. It was just unbelievable.

If you want to see the bullshit in question:
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016070107gm-0089-0000-3ca11bac&tw=0

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 19:52:38 2016 No.15472908 >>15472782 All of you had unbelievably good hands, how incredible. Also riichiing a chinitsu isn't really recommendable given how easy to read your waits will be.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 19:54:56 2016 No.15472917 >>15472782 >not going for Chuuren

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 20:10:38 2016 No.15472977 >>15472908 Mmm, it was like straight out of a manga. And that's true. I just wonder if I could have gotten lucky with ura-dora. >>15472917 But I like winning.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 22:47:56 2016 No.15473609 >>15472917 I'd go for it in L7447 or if no one seemed to be in tenpai. I do prefer winning a hand over getting mad that my yakuman attempt got stopped by a riichi nomi or something.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 30 23:02:02 2016 No.15473645 >>15473609 >I'd go for it in L7447 http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2013102709gm-0009-7447-dce693b1&tw=0&ts=11 I did try. And failed. Fuck chinitsu. I wanted my damned chuuren.

Anonymous Fri Jul 1 00:22:36 2016 No.15473899

>>15472715
And finally, something no one here has probably said.

Yes, mahjong is hard. Trying to get good at mahjong is even harder. It's frustrating, especially when mahjong throws shit at you.

However, don't let that get to you and shake the losing off. Play play play. The more you play, the better you'll get at it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 1 01:59:55 2016 No.15474243 File: 51 KB, 640x360, 1411287800414.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Halp! Using Chrome, my tenhou replays aren't showing up, in the replay listing. Yet some older games are still there. What is causing my games to no longer list?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 1 03:07:38 2016 No.15474442 http://arcturus.su/tenhou/ranking/ranking.pl?name=%E3%82%A8%E3%83%A0%E3%82%BA%E3%82%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%87%E3%83%B3 >試合数: 19175 I was wondering why I kept getting matched up against this guy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 1 08:36:39 2016 No.15475157 >2:0

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 1 08:38:56 2016 No.15475160 >>15475157 make it 3.0

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 1 11:53:31 2016 No.15475548 File: 146 KB, 404x297, negative moves.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 1 12:12:43 2016 No.15475598 File: 11 KB, 190x325, 1427397090983.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15475548 I'm glad retards like that are too stupid to try to play this game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 1 12:15:23 2016 No.15475606 >>15475598 Gonna admit I have no idea what chow or pung is, is chinese mahjong that much different or is he just talking about kan and pon?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 1 12:16:19 2016 No.15475611 File: 293 KB, 1280x758, best course of action.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What would be the best tile to discard? Just to know for the future. Do I go for the seven pairs, or just the a typical hand?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 1 12:20:06 2016 No.15475625 >>15475611 You're already one tile away from pairs, might as well see it through. There's a dead 4 already, but people are less likely to discard red 5s. Then again you're up against AI so keeping the red 5 is probably safest.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 1 12:20:44 2016 No.15475627 >>15475606 Chi and pon.

Anonymous Fri Jul 1 12:32:16 2016 No.15475666

>>15475611
Your wait for a chiitoi wouldn't be very good, unless you get rid of the 5m, which would leave you with a measly chiitoi nomi.

I'd discard the hatsu and aim for a ryanpeikou tanyao pinfu dora, but I'd more than happily settle for an iipeikou tanyao pinfu dora.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 1 12:47:33 2016 No.15475710 >>15475611 Riichi immediately and discard 6m.

Anonymous Fri Jul 1 13:44:27 2016 No.15475847

>>15475625
All of this is what I was thinking, so I'm glad that I'm on the right path

>>15475710
This is what I wanted to do

>>15475666
That's a pretty advanced and gutsy move for me
But since I posted asking in this thread to learn more about new hands, I went for it.

The CPU riichi'd right after me and got yaku real soon after but I was just about to get iipeikou.

I wouldn't have won regardless of what I did, but I guess that's mahjong. Still learned from everyone's posts, so thanks.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 1 14:27:09 2016 No.15475965 Games come down to whether or not I can secure a huge hand. What a kusoge.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 1 17:29:23 2016 No.15476526 File: 460 KB, 733x630, dun dun dun.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Sometimes a player will draw the worst tile imaginable right after someone declares riichi Good thing I bailed since it would have been a baiman

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 1 19:35:21 2016 No.15476986 File: 360 KB, 596x573, 1378526694620.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016070208gm-0029-0000-7049b033&tw=3

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 2 00:33:30 2016 No.15478242 File: 425 KB, 734x627, DECISION.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Would you do it, /jp/?

Anonymous Sat Jul 2 01:02:14 2016 No.15478364
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>>15478242
Absolutely not, this isn't even a question. Dealer has a guaranteed yakuman. Pao still means you have to pay 24000 points if you deal in, which will bust you. Your 1-han riichi only hand is not only worthless, it also has a terrible wait.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 2 01:04:13 2016 No.15478375 File: 427 KB, 640x480, [Evil-Saizen]_Laughing_Salesman_17_[DVD][10bit][9BD7A85E].mkv_snapshot_07.02_[2014.12.11_18.06.20].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15478242 Get out of Ippan as fast as possible.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 2 01:11:09 2016 No.15478416 File: 284 KB, 427x430, 1461026243741.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15478242 Why would you?

Anonymous Sat Jul 2 01:16:19 2016 No.15478442
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>>15478364
I bailed like a sane man, but if I hadn't...

>>15478375
I'm aiming for under 40 games this time. I'll let you know when I'm out.

>>15478416
Because mahjong rewards idiocy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 2 01:18:28 2016 No.15478453 File: 411 KB, 732x627, karma.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15478442 This was the result, by the way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 2 02:58:00 2016 No.15478886 File: 462 KB, 494x480, gogo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15478453 >Dealing the dora indicator in such a situation Post this guy's username. He should be shamed

Anonymous Sat Jul 2 03:13:57 2016 No.15478945

>>15478886
No, toimen drew that 5s by himself. It's just that kamicha had to pay the full price of the yakuman since he was the one who dealt the last wind (hatsu) which got called and completed daisangen's requirements. It's a unique (?) rule to daisangen.

Here's one of my games on my secondary where the payment was split between the guy who dealt in to me and the guy who gave up the haku.

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016062511gm-0009-0000-ec272a27&tw=1

Anonymous Sat Jul 2 03:16:51 2016 No.15478951
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>>15478945
Picture for those who don't want to waddle through replay.

Real talk, daisangan really is one of the most common yakuman. If we were to include this one (despite it being the start of July) I've seen like 4 this past month.

Anonymous Sat Jul 2 03:22:19 2016 No.15478961

>>15478945
>>15478951

To clarify things (I did a crummy job, sorry):

Since C-san was the one who coughed up the last dragon, C-san pays the full amount if the daisangen guy gets a tsumo.

You can see what happens if the guy who deals in is a different guy from the one who coughed up the last dragon in my replay (payment is split).

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 2 06:24:20 2016 No.15479346 File: 386 KB, 732x626, absolutely disgusting.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I probably didn't earn this, but I'll take it. http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016070218gm-00c1-0000-00b8e2aa&tw=1

Anonymous Sat Jul 2 12:03:09 2016 No.15480300

>>15478961
Yes, if you are in 4th it's a disaster. I've been in third in this position before where dealing in would have ended the game with me in third so I played incredibly aggressively. It's an interesting situation because the guy in last will often try to deal into you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 2 19:20:50 2016 No.15481814 File: 3 KB, 387x45, Untitled-1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How's the new month going?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 2 19:40:01 2016 No.15481875 File: 8 KB, 231x66, sdgkgsd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15481814 Already off to a brilliant start. I have high hopes for this month.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 2 22:27:52 2016 No.15482484 File: 4 KB, 231x176, july 2016 stats tonpuusen.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15481814 2+4+3+2 = 11戦 in regular hanchan games. Attached is tonpuusen games.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 01:01:00 2016 No.15482840 File: 482 KB, 728x620, sanbaiman.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is it true sanbaimans are rarer than the more common yakuman?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 01:11:53 2016 No.15482871 >>15482840 I've had more yakuman than sanbaiman, so personally yes

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 02:09:45 2016 No.15483022 That feel when calling to have a yakuless tenpai would have won me the game. How often do you guys try to avoid the no-ten payment?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 03:10:08 2016 No.15483212 >>15483022 Depends how many of my waits are alive, but if I'm feeling pessimistic, I'll call with 4 draws left.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 03:48:02 2016 No.15483310 >>15483212 Truly four is the magic number.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 06:35:32 2016 No.15483683 File: 451 KB, 733x629, USELESS.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Mahjong is such a useless activity.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 06:37:12 2016 No.15483686 >>15483683 Yeah, it's useless. It's all useless.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 07:00:59 2016 No.15483754 >>15481814 1+1+3+3 = 8戦 Fuck this shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 07:27:24 2016 No.15483830 >>15483683 >3 dan talking shit

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 08:49:54 2016 No.15484020

>>15483022
It's a hard lesson to learn, but if there's any hint of danger, it's best to just take the noten penalty. You never know when you're going to draw the wrong tile, and being in tenpai might make you act greedy and push when you shouldn't. Not to mention that calling reduces your safe times to discard.

If everybody has closed hands and seems to be struggling, without riichis, then I'll call to hit tenpai. But only then.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:24:40 2016 No.15484826 File: 41 KB, 600x338, blog-saki_hiroe.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >We both riichi but he ron on my discard Wow fuck off!!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:46:31 2016 No.15484900 File: 92 KB, 430x342, 1459108325102.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15484826 >Kamicha riichi >Oikake >He deals into my ippatsu

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 13:50:07 2016 No.15484921 >>15484900 >Toimen calls riichi >copy his discard >Deal in to kamicha who hit tenpai right after toimen's riichi but kept it dama Stealthy mother fucker.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:03:45 2016 No.15484967 File: 209 KB, 570x458, 4d.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Took me 200+ games to grind that 3dan and barely R18.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:20:15 2016 No.15485031 >>15484967 Sounds like you just suck.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:25:49 2016 No.15485048 >>15485031 Yea, especially when it comes to tile efficiency. Gotta fix that somehow.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 14:52:33 2016 No.15485126 >>15485048 What's the problem? Just maximize the number of tiles that take you closer to tenpai.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 15:49:16 2016 No.15485279 >>15485126 It's hard for me to believe in bad waits. Got a lot of backfires cause of it.

Anonymous Sun Jul 3 17:25:14 2016 No.15485541
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>close to tenpai but also seven pairs
>next draw, everything needed for a seven pair wait
>go for it
>unleash my signature move, the lucky "777" in which the last tile I need for seven pairs is a seven
>discard my six
>he rons with a straight
I-IMPOSSIBLE!!!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 17:27:10 2016 No.15485551 File: 171 KB, 679x394, vs3_2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Tenhoui stronk!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 21:27:04 2016 No.15486351 >>15485551 Any VODs out yet?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 22:19:13 2016 No.15486506 >>15466098 Tournament is full!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 22:22:35 2016 No.15486514 >>15486506 Already? That's a damn shame, I was thinking about going.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 3 22:39:50 2016 No.15486563 >>15486506 Sad that I can't attend, but awesome the the interest is so high

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 04:10:14 2016 No.15487725 File: 2 KB, 138x15, july.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] End my torment.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 06:43:26 2016 No.15488030 >>15471220 Read Daina Chiba's book (it's free, but don't rush it to read it all in one go). I can personally guarantee that it will better your game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 06:45:10 2016 No.15488035 File: 379 KB, 639x542, tenhou advice.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Reminder

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 06:50:18 2016 No.15488044 >>15487725 2+2+5+8 = 17戦 Me too, please.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 09:14:36 2016 No.15488412 File: 3 KB, 187x35, 1182968422.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15481814 Doing fine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 09:40:55 2016 No.15488467 >>15475598 Unfortunately for you I play this game, and I am a full retard. I wish I were better.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 13:18:59 2016 No.15489243 >>15466098 raws for akagi 285 and 286?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 16:48:01 2016 No.15490129 Can anyone link me to the hack for Tenhou desktop?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 16:52:27 2016 No.15490149 File: 227 KB, 1333x1000, 1424611503428.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15490129 http://minomino.org/tenhou/ Bottom-most link, friendo

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 16:54:27 2016 No.15490158 File: 105 KB, 1280x720, [HorribleSubs] Saki Episode of Side A - 07 [720p].mkv_snapshot_15.22_[2012.05.22_13.52.14].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15490149 danke!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 16:57:22 2016 No.15490167 File: 10 KB, 268x226, Damn.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] A.I ragequitted after south 2.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 17:36:02 2016 No.15490341 >>15475598 Actually, those retards organized themselves: http://mahjong-europe.org/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 17:41:01 2016 No.15490359 >>15490341 >A hand with 13+ fan is scored as a sanbaiman, not a yakuman Dropped

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 18:19:48 2016 No.15490515 File: 22 KB, 468x274, Untitled-1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm getting this every time I try to get in.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 18:30:31 2016 No.15490550 >>15490515 Maintenance is going on right now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 18:32:15 2016 No.15490558 >>15490550 Ah, crap.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 18:35:41 2016 No.15490570 Is it a normal thing if I am an ok player when playing hanchan but become very bad when playing tonpuusen?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 18:40:33 2016 No.15490590 >>15490570 Yes, because tonpuusen is for tonpussies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 4 20:21:15 2016 No.15490980 >>15490570 tonpuusen is very different from hanchan you have to play extra aggressively because the game is too fast

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 5 01:12:16 2016 No.15492358 >>15490980 Actually, you have to play more defensively because there are less chances for a comeback. Tenhou system is about not about getting the first place, it's about not being the last.

Anonymous Tue Jul 5 02:28:17 2016 No.15492670
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>Had to sit through a fucking 40 minute game with some literal retard kamicha who used the full timer for all his fucking discards and for every tile he was going to call on

Honest to god, if you're 2dan and the fucking toimen 9kyuu can discard faster than you, you need to stop playing mahjong because you're literally ruining the game for everyone else with your fucking snail's pace. Holy shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 5 02:35:45 2016 No.15492698 >>15492670 You're the one who chose to play the slow mode.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 5 02:37:26 2016 No.15492705 >>15492670 Have you considered the possibility that he was doing it intentionally to annoy everyone else?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 5 07:48:24 2016 No.15493571 >>15490359 That rule is one of the more flexible ones. Just because you only play Tenhou, you can't accept different rulesets.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 5 07:50:17 2016 No.15493574 >>15493571 >kazoe sanbaiman Yea, fuck that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 5 07:51:29 2016 No.15493576 >>15486351 http://tenhou.net/cs/2016/05tr/ Check up link over 動画

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 5 08:40:52 2016 No.15493662 File: 100 KB, 1040x806, 6d.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Third time's the charm.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 5 08:42:57 2016 No.15493665 >>15493662 Post stats.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 5 08:45:29 2016 No.15493670 File: 8 KB, 250x390, tenhou_prof_20160705.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15493665

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 5 08:50:14 2016 No.15493681 >>15466098 2.0

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 5 13:44:37 2016 No.15494575 >>15493670 Ready to lose points?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 5 16:03:25 2016 No.15495152 >>15466098 2.0

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 5 18:52:28 2016 No.15495925 >>15493670 Just in time, you Aussie tart

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 6 00:44:37 2016 No.15497065 >tfw you go play a game in ippan just to shake off the bad taste from the ass kicking you just received and get your ass kicked even harder by people half your rank

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 6 03:03:08 2016 No.15497476 >>15497065 >playing in ippan That's why you don't bother to go back to a lower lobby, if possible. The feeling of losing there is so much worse. So, get your butt back to Joukyuu and take your abuse like a real lesbian.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 6 04:10:18 2016 No.15497631 How do I get out of the intermediate hellhole? I can avoid playing into hands well enough, but it seems like everyone just plays into everyone's very obvious waits.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 6 04:51:52 2016 No.15497723 >>15497631 If everyone plays into obvious waits, then make hands with obvious waits and win.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 6 05:47:40 2016 No.15497821 >>15497723 Post replays.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 6 05:53:57 2016 No.15497829 >>15497821 Meant for >>15497631

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 6 09:09:01 2016 No.15498150 File: 895 B, 135x26, 1146878414.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How am I doing guys?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 6 11:02:03 2016 No.15498385 >>15493670 That is quite low riichi rate, isn't it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 6 11:04:47 2016 No.15498392 Anyone for 7447?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 6 11:45:11 2016 No.15498498 >>15498385 http://tenhou.net/ranking.html It's average for 10d, and not that much lower than the 6d average.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 6 11:55:27 2016 No.15498533 >>15497065 That's what you get for being a limp-wristed bitch instead of taking the beating like a man and coming back even stronger from it. You're never going to get good playing scrubs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 6 12:01:11 2016 No.15498549 >>15498150 Good, keep it up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 6 12:14:24 2016 No.15498606 >>15498498 I stand corrected.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 6 13:16:10 2016 No.15498852 The fuck is mahjongtime dot com? Why is it never mentioned here?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 6 13:20:08 2016 No.15498869 >>15498852 Nevermind, it looks like shit

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 6 14:13:35 2016 No.15499061 >>15498852 it's shit

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 6 14:33:19 2016 No.15499121 >>15498852 I've been on it and have gotten fucked over with its buggy interface to the point where I ragequit it entirely It rarely has players anyway

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 6 18:43:13 2016 No.15500221 >>15498852 >Why is it never mentioned here? Because of >other mahjong >shit translations >shit interface >it's shit >Jews probably run that site

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 6 22:21:19 2016 No.15501109 The new web player is pretty decent. It even lets you see other players' waits and what tiles are in the walls. Who would want to pay for the official client now if the new web player can do it for free?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 7 00:57:32 2016 No.15501653 2:0

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 7 02:14:02 2016 No.15501887 >>15501109 Official client still has some other benefits like being able to customize voices and background music, and being able to move the tiles in your hand around. Plus the tiles are prettier and the animations are smoother.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 7 02:37:09 2016 No.15501950 File: 414 KB, 733x629, lol4dan.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I love crushing cowards. His R, which was already under 1730, took another hit.

Anonymous Thu Jul 7 02:42:46 2016 No.15501956

>>15501950
Not too hard to crush people when you get hands like that, when the people you're crushing get hands like -that-. They're still better than you and would likely win a set of matches. Unless you're smurfing, in which case all assumptions go out the window.

Anonymous Thu Jul 7 03:09:44 2016 No.15502019
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>>15501956
To be fair, you're right. I did get very good hands and he was given absolute shit all game.

Furthermore, the one who did him in with a haneman hand in E3 was the 1kyu, so I don't even get the credit for that. Attached pic very relevant.

But yes, I'm smurfing. Main has tanked big time and is well on its way out of tokujou.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 7 03:22:36 2016 No.15502044 >>15502019 Well, that 2m discard is pretty idiotic when you have 3 completely safe tiles to drop first. Perhaps his daughter was playing on his account while he was asleep.

Anonymous Thu Jul 7 03:30:13 2016 No.15502063

>>15502044
My 2m discard did pass two turns ago, so I guess toimen thought it was safe. But toimen called chi on shimocha's 2m immediately afterwards and given that there were very little manzu discards across the board, he should have considered the possibility.

This is just a case of pushing when one needs to fold, but as you said, 2m wasn't optimal here. He doesn't even have an extra pair floating around.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 7 03:31:22 2016 No.15502067 Also 3:0

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 7 03:44:54 2016 No.15502096 >my furiten ippatsu riichi

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 7 04:08:50 2016 No.15502162 1:4 now, folks. I would join again, but declaring a furiten riichi is a sign I should stop.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 7 06:31:38 2016 No.15502526 File: 457 KB, 736x626, No.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] A case where winning is denied.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 7 06:39:00 2016 No.15502537 >>15502526 East shouldn't have ron'd. No reason to accept third and bust him out.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 7 07:46:22 2016 No.15502670 >>15502537 What does east ronning have to do with that? If anything, east's ron prevented the other player from going bust.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 7 08:35:30 2016 No.15502787 http://osamuko.com/osamuko-otp-tournament/ Osamuko's having a pair tournament. Who will you partner with? >>15502670 He wouldn't have known that when he called ron.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 7 08:51:44 2016 No.15502810 >>15502787 >He wouldn't have known that when he called ron. How do you know that? Maybe he did.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 7 10:35:00 2016 No.15503030 How do you deal with tilt?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 7 10:40:59 2016 No.15503049 >>15503030 Depends on the level of tilt you're talking about. If you're tilted then taking a break is your only option. I avoid tilting as much as I can by not playing too much in one sitting and accepting that mahjong isn't always going to go my way.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 7 11:39:53 2016 No.15503193 File: 1 KB, 227x37, 11992417985.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15498150 Still going strong.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 7 13:54:16 2016 No.15503562 File: 621 KB, 725x480, IKUZE, BOYA.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15502787 >NOTE: MEMBERS OF A TEAM CAN FREELY COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER Does this mean what I think it does?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 7 14:47:02 2016 No.15503721 >>15503562 That they won't be able to view the hands of the other players?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 7 15:57:54 2016 No.15503934 >>15503721 implying i can't stream it to a private site and playing 100 % together Cheat 101 mate

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 7 15:58:59 2016 No.15503937 >>15503934 sorry i thought you mean the other teamate my bad

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 7 18:54:58 2016 No.15504640 File: 707 KB, 641x670, 1417858001836.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What would you discard here? According to this 8-dan your entire understanding of mahjong is fucked if you discarded 8p.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 7 19:05:29 2016 No.15504690 >>15504640 Well, it's either that or 3m.

Anonymous Thu Jul 7 19:10:23 2016 No.15504715

>>15504640
The only reason I can see to hold on to the 8p is to maybe form a sanshoku IF you're lucky.

The way I see it, it's East third, you're sitting with a reasonable lead above everyone, and you have two valid yakuhai toitsu that you can pon with to make a cheap hand (or maybe even an ton, hatsu honitsu mangan if your next few draws are lucky and you get some good manzu tiles).

What is this guy's reasoning behind keeping the 8pin?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 7 19:13:34 2016 No.15504728 >>15504690 Why would you prioritize 3m over 6s?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 7 19:28:11 2016 No.15504779 http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016070216gm-0089-0000-6dc5fc97&tw=1&ts=9 BTFO

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 7 19:46:55 2016 No.15504848 File: 586 KB, 804x700, sanzou.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15504779 >tsuuiisou suuankou ippatsumo man i wish i had this fucking bullshit lesbian magic

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 7 20:18:51 2016 No.15504973 I need you to harshly criticize me and tell me everything I did wrong here because I feel like it was just bad luck but blaming bad luck is a loser's game. please! http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016070809gm-00c1-0000-x972fff5edf81&tw=3

Anonymous Thu Jul 7 20:32:47 2016 No.15505029

>>15504973
E1: Why 7s before 4s? He discarded that one already.
E2: can't be helped. You were too far from tenpai to push, in my opinion.
E3: damaten hands are rough to deal with. Maybe if you had discarded the 9m pair and kept the 1p as pairs you could have avoided this one.
E4: you were too far behind at this point. If you had avoided the mangan you'd be third instead.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 7 20:40:11 2016 No.15505069 >>15504728 Chii toi maybe.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 7 23:32:21 2016 No.15505771 >>15504728 >>15505069 Was thinking it'd be more advantageous to retain the 667 for more calling opportunities given that you'd likely call on the two yakuhai.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 00:17:20 2016 No.15505880 >>15504640 I feel like I know literally nothing about this game. Please help.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 00:39:09 2016 No.15505923 >>15505880 Don't worry, it's okay to be second rate.

Anonymous Fri Jul 8 00:52:03 2016 No.15505966

Playing riichi with Tabletop Simulator is pretty comfy
Except for the part where I'm playing with newfags one of whom can't figure out turn order after pon and sometimes ends up with 12 tiles, another smokes but his mom won't let him smoke in the room so he has to go out and third has to be reminded to pick a tile every fucking turn and takes forever to discard. Also explaining furiten and kuikae is a pain in the ass
Took 2 hours to finish six hands

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 00:55:27 2016 No.15505980 >>15505966 It is really comfy, I agree. I'd offer to play with you, but I can't calculate fu. Also I'm just really bad.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 01:13:55 2016 No.15506022 >>15505980 Well we use reference tables for scores and counting fu I don't mind playing but we'd need 2 more people because my guys barely speak English and always have enough people for a game anyway

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 01:16:49 2016 No.15506034 >>15505966 Some of the FKMTkrazy people occasionally play mahjong on TTS.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 01:20:11 2016 No.15506050 >>15506022 Fair enough, was just an offer. I'd have to reinstall the damn thing anyway. It is super chill, though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 02:32:25 2016 No.15506313 File: 482 KB, 1280x720, SGT-Hartman-2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15504973 >discarding winning tiles so much You must be a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 02:54:50 2016 No.15506363 >>15505923 No it's not. It's an embarrassment, a disgrace. I can't accept that.

Anonymous Fri Jul 8 03:02:39 2016 No.15506379

>>15504640
I disagree with his opinion. The only way 8p benefits us is for sanshoku. Since we're in the lead, fast hands are what we want, and luckily we're 2 shanten for one. If we're lucky and draw some more manzu tiles it could even become a mangan.

Keeping the possibility of sanshoku alive is good in situations where you're likely to progress with a closed hand, but not so much for ones that are lightning fast, like this one.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 04:13:04 2016 No.15506485 Anyone up for a game?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 04:19:54 2016 No.15506498 2:0

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 16:18:37 2016 No.15508567 >>15506379 If this game is hanchan, 34k+ might not be enough.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 18:03:08 2016 No.15508960 >>15508567 You're going to find yourself in very few situations where your lead is out of reach, so that doesn't matter. Better to end the dealer turn of second place quickly than pin your hopes on a very unlikely mangan.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 18:38:48 2016 No.15509084 File: 318 KB, 660x400, 1453215150633.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Start with one of each dragon >Discard one >Immediately afterwards draw another of the one I discarded

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 19:34:19 2016 No.15509267 >>15509084 Don't discard one then.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 8 20:58:43 2016 No.15509543 http://anime.falseblue.com/2012/07/26/touhou-mahjong-set/ Anyone own this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 01:04:09 2016 No.15510443 >won a few hands >even pushed when it was dangerous and secured some victories >didn't deal in once >still 3rd place because of S4 bullshit

Anonymous Sat Jul 9 03:59:10 2016 No.15511052

>play after a long day
>4th
>Go on a tilt, lose all of week's progress
>Still queue up
>Garbage hand after garbage hand
>It's an "any non-genbutsu tile you discard is someone's winning tile" episode
>Lose composure, make dumber and dumber mistakes
>Biggest one being not turning off the fucking client and walk away
>4th
>4th
>Every discard followed by "wait, that wasn't the right move" pay attention you idiot
>4th

>1am, have a full day tomorrow
>Literally could have been more productive by jerking off

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 11:33:20 2016 No.15512748 >>15512705 What's your point?

Anonymous Sat Jul 9 11:48:18 2016 No.15512807
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>>15509543
I always wanted to buy one, but I'd never use it as I have no one to play mahjong with in real life
Even then, we would most likely use a normal set

It's a real high quality set though. But I only see yellow back tiles for sale. I'd prefer blue tiles.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 14:26:10 2016 No.15513388 http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016071002gm-0089-0000-64817b9d&tw=3 >That ending I thought shimocha would resent me too much to give me that perfect win.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 14:39:33 2016 No.15513442 >>15512748 They're all racist

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 19:19:16 2016 No.15514482 How do I stop getting raped in tokujou? Are there any books or videos that will help me get good?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 19:22:31 2016 No.15514501 >>15514482 Be effective with your discards, don't deal into other players' hands.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 19:54:39 2016 No.15514722 >>15514482 Depends on how you're getting raped.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 9 22:05:22 2016 No.15515384 >>15502787 >http://osamuko.com/osamuko-otp-tournament/ So who's joining this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 10 00:31:12 2016 No.15515876 >>15515384 Do they really expect mahjong players to have friends?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 10 00:32:20 2016 No.15515879 >>15515876 i like to think that you guys are my friends

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 10 06:34:24 2016 No.15516810 >>15515879 I'm too awful to be your friend. I get wrecked and tilt hard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 10 07:28:39 2016 No.15516939 On scale from 1 to 10, how dead is Tambur? I say 10

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 10 10:32:17 2016 No.15517554 >>15516810 i think i can guarantee that i'm a worse player than you don't be too hard on yourself anon

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 10 19:43:09 2016 No.15519924 >>15516939 I don't know how well he's doing but he's alive.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 10 20:40:55 2016 No.15520122 >Dealer haneman is worth more than a non-dealer baiman What a kusoge.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 10 22:14:03 2016 No.15520446 >>15516810 I think everyone tilts hard here senpai.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 10 22:15:47 2016 No.15520458 >>15520446 I don't.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 10 22:17:39 2016 No.15520474 >>15520458 Oh

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 10 22:30:05 2016 No.15520529 >>15520122 Yep, dealer values are completely fucked to be honest. x1.5 is excessive, it should be more around 1.25.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 10 22:48:02 2016 No.15520611 >>15519924 I wonder if he has alcoholism/drug problem or just got bored of typesetting

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 00:34:01 2016 No.15520954 2:0

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 01:13:49 2016 No.15521044 3:0

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 03:52:16 2016 No.15521442 >>15520611 Nah I don't think he'd hospitalize himself if he was just bored, he could have simply quit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 06:18:15 2016 No.15521842 >>15521442 Well I just can't imagine a medical condition that can keep a man hospitalized for several months without killing him Unless he broke some bones really badly, I guess

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 07:16:44 2016 No.15521974 File: 649 KB, 1024x766, jvwdci.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I knew 'twas nothing but a fleeting dream.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 08:53:50 2016 No.15522177 >>15517554 I promise you're better than me, Anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 09:18:40 2016 No.15522217 >>15522177 i don't know about that, i'm pretty shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 09:21:33 2016 No.15522218 >>15522217 I'm really awful.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 10:57:35 2016 No.15522475 >>15504640 I would discard 8p 100% of the time with no remorse. That may explain why I'm still lost in the 5-dan hell.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 10:58:35 2016 No.15522478 >>15522475 I just got to one kyuu(?) and I am getting wrecked in the second room you can use. It's disheartening.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 11:05:18 2016 No.15522492 >>15522478 Same here. I can't get over 1dan

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 11:07:04 2016 No.15522496 File: 77 KB, 640x220, 2da8a0d5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Saikyosen round B is up for anyone who plays on MJ. Last chance to get that Akagi background.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 11:18:16 2016 No.15522530 >>15522492 I've been 1dan 1500r forever Wake me up

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 11:19:25 2016 No.15522534 >>15522530 I can't even get to 1dan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 11:22:59 2016 No.15522540 >try to read how this game works for the nth time in my life >still nope This has to be the most bullshit fucking boardgame ever created by man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 11:25:20 2016 No.15522545 >>15522540 Just wait. The more you learn what you don't know the more nonsense this game becomes. And then you play with the same group of friends for years and there's a minimeta. This game is literally retarded I don't know why I keep playing it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 11:25:25 2016 No.15522546 >>15522540 >read There's your problem. You have to experience it, not read.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 11:29:37 2016 No.15522556 >>15522540 If you have played any rummy style card games, it's exactly like that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 11:44:04 2016 No.15522583 >>15522540 http://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/mahjong/mahjong_e.html learn by playing

Anonymous Mon Jul 11 11:45:42 2016 No.15522587
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>>15522540
I don't think it's really that difficult to learn how the game works. Learning to be efficient and "good" at the game takes a bit of work though.

The basic flow of the game is 4 players take turns drawing and discarding a tile to complete their hands. The complexity mostly lies in the types of hands that are actually valid, since there's like two dozen or so of them, and some can stack with each other. Good players know them all by heart, so learn them. Almost all hands basically follow the pattern "4 melds, 1 pair," outside of like two exceptions. A meld can be a sequential grouping of tiles (234, 567), a triplet, or a quadruplet. You can call on other players tiles in some cases to complete your hand, but this should be done sparingly because calling on some tiles invalidates otherwise valid hands. If you're waiting on one more more tiles to fully complete your hand (as in, your waiting tiles will make a valid hand, not get you closer to winning if you're far away), you can declare a win if you either draw it or if it is discarded by the opponent.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 11:47:15 2016 No.15522590 >>15522587 >learning to be effcient and good please help senpai, this is where i struggle. I'm 1-1-3-3 this week.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 11:48:47 2016 No.15522595 File: 190 KB, 384x461, GIN san.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15522590 post replay

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 11:51:06 2016 No.15522603 >>15522595 http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016071122gm-0089-0000-da7fe3b0&tw=1

Anonymous Mon Jul 11 12:14:49 2016 No.15522650

>>15522603
Not him, but I did a quick skim through. You chased someone's riichi when you had a cheap hand with a bad wait. You broke up sets to forcibly chase after kuitan nomi instead of just staying closed and waiting for riichi. You made several calls that didn't advance your hand. You also made a bunch of general tile efficiency and defense mistakes.

I'm going to sleep now but if you post more replays then others can probably give you more detailed advice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 12:16:14 2016 No.15522654 Oh, and post your stats too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 12:20:22 2016 No.15522668 File: 25 KB, 247x329, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15522654 >>15522650 http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016071019gm-0089-0000-18e1ecbe&tw=2

Anonymous Mon Jul 11 12:23:24 2016 No.15522674
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>>15522603
E1 - Discarding 1p on turn 6 was a mistake. It put you at 1 shanten, but by discarding it you stay 2 shanten.

E2 - You discard 1p to keep 9p, doesn't make a lot of sense. You lose the 2p ukeire for nothing.

E3 - You tsumogiri 9m, losing the 7m ukeire. 5m is a flexible tile but it won't help you make a sequence by itself. Keeping 8m-9m over 5m is preferable, especially when you also have the possibility of a 7-8-9 sanshoku.

E4 - You discard 1m upon drawing 8s. 8s doesn't do much for you. Your 9s ankou is already a mentsu, and 8s is unlikely to contribute to one, and you lose the 2m ukeire as a result. You discard the 9s sometime afterwards for a reason I can't fathom. You somehow win this hand despite making a bunch of mistakes, proving once and for all that the mahjong demons have a sense of humor.

S1 - You discard 1s-2s and move back to 2 shanten. I think it was a good choice, because two 3s are dead and 1s is a safe tile against the dealer riichi. I just wanted to point it out as another instance you move back in shanten, in case you hadn't noticed.

S1 1H - You discard 1m on turn 2, losing the 2m ukeire.

S2 - You draw 7m and discard 9m. You shouldn't have done this. Instead, you should have dropped 1p-2p. 4m-6m can become an edge wait if you draw 3m or 7m. 1p-2p can only become an edge wait if you draw 4p and then 5p. You draw a second 1s later and discard it. You shouldn't have done that either. Instead, 8p, which is very unlikely to pair up, should have been dropped for a 1s-4s-7s ukeire. Even if you're furiten, it's fine, because it's so late in the match. A tenpai is more important than worrying about that possibility.

S2 1H - You draw 9m and discard 1s. Not an efficient choice. You're 2 shanten for chi toi. Dropping 4p is a better move here to maximum your ukeire. You can always fall back on pinfu and/or iipeikou if your draws are favorable. Then you go crazy and call a bunch, and then call 4s when you're in a 3s-6s wait. Two of your winning tiles in the 7p-5s shanpon are dora indicators, so there was no reason to make your wait worse.

S3 - Discarding 1m off the bat isn't what I would have done. It can turn into an ankou. It doesn't actually affect your shanten, but it does affect your ukeire and prevents you from going for san ankou.

S4 - 8p instead of 1m is slightly more efficient. Discarding 2p over 5p is not as efficient (by two tiles), and it gets rid of your iipeikou guarantee. I suppose it could be forgiven because the red 5p is live, though.

---

In summary, don't be afraid of kanchan shapes. A lot of intermediate players focus too strongly on pinfu and edge waits exclusively, not realizing that they're actually moving backwards in hand progression while doing so. While moving back in shanten can be okay at times, for example if a wait is mostly dead, or you're pursuing a larger hand such as chinitsu, it's not something you want to do all the time because it will slow your hand down a lot. This will lead to you not winning many hands, which will lead to many 3rd and 4th place finishes.

My advice is, if you find yourself in a situation where you feel uncertain about your last discard, look at the replay afterwards and punch in your hand here:

http://tenhou.net/2/

It will help you better understand your tile efficiency's shortcomings by showing you mistakes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 12:24:19 2016 No.15522676 Is Corak dead?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 12:30:40 2016 No.15522694 >>15522674 Thank you very much, this is actually really informative.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 12:32:52 2016 No.15522701 >>15522676 Comeback Corak wouldn't die even if you killed him

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 13:37:40 2016 No.15522908 >>15522674 >http://tenhou.net/2/ >It will help you better understand your tile efficiency's shortcomings by showing you mistakes. Holy shit, why didn't I know about this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 13:41:22 2016 No.15522925 File: 37 KB, 640x480, 1466887320606.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >finally win after 15 games straight of 2nd and 3rds >lose right after >cycle repeats

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 23:01:07 2016 No.15524811 >>15522668 Your deal in rate is too big for your hand winrate I have .250 winrate and .150 deal in rate and I'm still stuck at 2dan 1500R

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 23:04:05 2016 No.15524820 >>15524811 Have you tried dealing in less?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 11 23:12:27 2016 No.15524847 >>15524820 I usually defend against riichi, but it's easier for me to stop jerking off than to fold against an open hand and I jerk off daily

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 00:49:12 2016 No.15525077
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this guy dropped a live dora and a live red 5 against my dealer double riichi in east 1 during tonpuusen just to push a toi toi nomi.
later toimen reached a riichi nomi with my winning tile.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 01:39:31 2016 No.15525176 >>15525077 >toi toi nomi Isn't nomi when you declare riichi with no other yaku?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 01:50:24 2016 No.15525207 >>15525176 "Only" is probably your best reference to nomi. Riichi nomi. Tanyao nomi. Haku nomi. Etc.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 01:50:40 2016 No.15525208

>>15525176
no, nomi is for any hand with just one yaku and no dora. normally used just for small hands. riichi nomi, haku nomi, ton nomi, etc. you don't hear people saying chinitsu nomi or ryanpeikou nomi, and of course no one would use nomi for a yakuman

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 14:08:23 2016 No.15527096 >>15524811 I'm not sure what you mean by too big for my hand winrate. Are you saying I'm dealing in too much?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 14:21:38 2016 No.15527126 >when I riichi: everyone tosses down extremely risky tiles but avoid my waits by sheer luck. Push through my hand and manage to win with a shit wait > when they riichi: anything that isn't 100% is their winning tile

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 14:33:23 2016 No.15527173

>>15527096

I ain't him.

But according to rule of thumb, your hand completion rate should be around 10% greater than your deal-in rate. A high hand completion rate usually means a high deal-in rate since it implies aggressive play. A low hand completion rate usually accompanies a low deal-in rate.

So, yes, you deal-in too much according to how often you actually complete hands. Below 25% is considered low.

However, this isn't a ironclad rule. My abandoned tokujou account had only a 8% difference (and it kept dropping). Other tokujou players on this board also had <10% difference.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 14:37:59 2016 No.15527205 File: 1 KB, 68x37, 1126517406.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15527173 10%? Pssh.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 14:40:01 2016 No.15527214 >>15527205 It's really easy beating up ippan players, yes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 14:40:14 2016 No.15527215 >>15527205 How?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 14:40:44 2016 No.15527216 >>15527215 Know when you can win and when you cannot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 15:11:19 2016 No.15527343 >>15527205 Now post the number of games played.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 16:17:33 2016 No.15527693
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>>15522701
This is what stalker bot shows:

http://arcturus.su/tenhou/ranking/ranking.pl?name=Corak

And numbers since deranking from 6dan to 5dan:

http://arcturus.su/tenhou/ranking/ranking.pl?name=Corak&d1=20160607

>almost 30% fourth place rate

That's some heavy suffering.

I'd say. This is part of the tokujou growth process. I am going through similar shit myself.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 16:54:27 2016 No.15527839

>>15527693
Tokujou is demoralizing, it's true. That's why I started playing MJ more. Events are still decently competitive feeling, come with prizes, and are smaller in scope so it feels like less of a grind. Feels like even if I have a bad run in one of them, another one is around the corner.

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 20:14:59 2016 No.15528571
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http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016071308gm-0009-0000-eff47b8f&tw=0

It's these kind of games that make me not want to play mahjong. Apparently banking on a shanpon wait was the path to victory and the wrong choice was the right choice.

And no, this isn't my first account.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 20:42:58 2016 No.15528663 >>15528571 What shanpon wait are you talking about?

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 20:46:56 2016 No.15528674
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>>15528571
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016071309gm-0089-0000-82eea154&tw=0

you could have gotten it way worse

Finally, an occasion when I'm on the giving end of the bullshit

Anonymous Tue Jul 12 22:39:55 2016 No.15529186

>>15527096
Yes, you are. At the same time you don't seem to have a hang on tile efficiency so all your aggressive play is for nothing. Make a rule to fold against riichi unless you are in tenpai for at least mangan. Folding against players that called at least two times is even better, but I personally can't force myself to do it unless I can't see any dora.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 12 22:59:59 2016 No.15529281 >>15527173 >My abandoned tokujou account had only a 8% difference (and it kept dropping). Other tokujou players on this board also had <10% difference Ain't those the guys who keep dropping out of tokujou tho?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 00:16:16 2016 No.15529594 >>15528674 holy shit that was unfair! that guy must have been screaming at his screen after that

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 00:17:22 2016 No.15529596 >>15528674 also, it's always cool to see a 6d tokujou player down in joukyuu : \

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 00:32:36 2016 No.15529641 File: 2.52 MB, 1600x2400, Dakimakura.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15529596 "Where you're going, you won't need air to breathe."

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 01:05:33 2016 No.15529742 >>15528674 Well he could've defended, pushing against riichi with 2 han hand is a shit idea anyway But I guess nobody expects to bust out with 25k points

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 01:13:13 2016 No.15529763 >>15529742 He was defending. He broke his shanpon tenpai shortly after the riichi

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 01:15:30 2016 No.15529776 >>15529594 Hope that didn't result in domestic violence

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 03:44:06 2016 No.15530240 >>15529763 He had safe 9 pin yet discarded 6 man, that's pretty shitty defence

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 08:13:43 2016 No.15530740 Get in the lobby retards.

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 08:21:47 2016 No.15530754
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Mukoubuchi Cup.

Play 12 times in group A for a Kai EX background, play 12 times in group B for a city scape EX background.
Pay real money for a Kai/that-fat-guy-no-one-remembers-the-name-of EX Charas.
Get goburei'd on the high rate table happening at the same time.
That new treasure chance system they added last patch is also getting used in this event, so maybe you'll get free boxes. Maybe not.

Oh, and if you get 1st place in the finals, you'll get an original sketch of Kai signed by the creator of Mukoubuchi.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 10:05:42 2016 No.15531025 >1:0

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 10:43:03 2016 No.15531128 File: 379 KB, 347x582, 1468303442441.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tried to go dama >opponent riichi and won anyway

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 11:34:07 2016 No.15531281 This game is fucking garbage.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 12:43:40 2016 No.15531497 File: 99 KB, 520x452, frustrated.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15531281

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 12:48:36 2016 No.15531521 File: 475 KB, 733x629, shimocha....png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Declaring a riichi that has no winning tiles left is the worst feeling. Poor shimocha.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 14:35:03 2016 No.15531921 >>15531521 He declared riichi on shitty waits and is now paying for it. No need to feel bad for him.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 15:37:23 2016 No.15532186 >>15531521 you have to be kind of the opposite of smart to do such thing

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 17:25:56 2016 No.15532723 >>15527839 >Tokujou is demoralizing, it's true. Yes, but. If you manage to survive this process, you'll come out stronger than ever before.

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 18:10:31 2016 No.15532981

>>15527693

He won't be climbing back up for a very long time. LOL. im at 8800 games and slowly climbing back up. my hell run ended at 6670 games, from 4153 games. i just want to finish this climb and retire knowing i fucking solve their ranking algorithm.

Anonymous Wed Jul 13 20:19:54 2016 No.15533621
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>>15522676
>>15527693
I've completely hit a wall and I'm well on my way back to 4 dan. My deal in rate has gone way down. The problem is my win rate has plummeted even further, and of course I keep running into 2k players.

I was well on my way to Houou when I mostly ignored betaori and was .235/.169. I changed my playstyle because I had a really terrible run of riichi deal-ins (it was over 25 straight at one point, and over 100 riichi in a row without a ron). People were hitting single waits over my 3 sided waits so many times I lost count.

When you betaori more often more people tsumo. The problem is that means if you rely on a couple big hands to make your game, you won't make them if you have to run when others get close. Every time I was pushing they would end up sitting on a haneman, and everytime I went into betaori they just had riichi nomi.

The more I review my play, the more I'm convinced I should almost never go damaten and I just ran into a ton of bullshit luck. I keep trying hybrid playstyles (following standard strategy a little more directly) and they keep not working in different and amusing ways.

tl;dr I can't make winning hands and people keep hitting big hands on South 4.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 21:36:37 2016 No.15533998 File: 268 KB, 1229x1048, 2016-07-13_213142.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] He can't possibly be waiting on th- Oh.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 13 21:43:13 2016 No.15534035 >>15533998 You were asking for it. You even had anpai.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 00:19:41 2016 No.15534596 >>15533998 >double riichi ippatsu Nice

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 04:33:32 2016 No.15535119 File: 4 KB, 233x102, so far so good.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Seems like the solution was to make another account and play strictly tonpuusen. I bet I start dealing in by the next game.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 05:47:25 2016 No.15535222 If you lost 1st place in south 4 but it's not directly your fault(the opponent tsumo, ron someone else) that means it's your unlucky day. Stop playing immediately! Try again the next day.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 06:38:05 2016 No.15535314 File: 1.18 MB, 418x290, 1393586910140.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016071408gm-0009-0000-ea391341&tw=3&ts=1 >stupid 2dan calling furiten chiitoitsu

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 07:53:21 2016 No.15535479 >>15535119 You're actually correct. Bad players have higher chance of winning tonpuusens than hanchans.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 08:42:00 2016 No.15535610 >>15535314 >Blaming others for that stupid pursuit riichi on a terrible wait

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 08:55:56 2016 No.15535678 http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016071421gm-0009-7447-cb7bf623&tw=0 Sorry.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 10:37:34 2016 No.15535943 File: 350 KB, 804x877, 05.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anyone else unsure if they actually like mahjong or not?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 10:39:00 2016 No.15535945 File: 282 KB, 897x548, 1457098115083.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15535943 I'm 100% sure I fucking hate this shit game. I can't stop playing, though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 11:31:54 2016 No.15536100 >>15535479 Well, I climbed to tokujou without touching tonpuusen before so

Anonymous Thu Jul 14 12:21:03 2016 No.15536278
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Final Saikyosen group B results for me, locked in at Nyusen. I was -this- close to Nyusho again, but I dropped to second in game 19 due to a tenpai payment in orasu. Never before has paying 1500 points tasted so bitter.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 12:44:55 2016 No.15536365 >>15535943 I'm pretty fucking mad at this game but I can't say I don't like it because I can't stop playing it.

Anonymous Thu Jul 14 20:58:03 2016 No.15538504

>>15535943
>be 1dan 1400R scrub with 0.15 1st rate and 0.25 4th rate
>read dynaman's book
>spend 1 month playing and get account to 4dan 1780R with 0.24 1st rate and 0.18 4th rate
>Never demoted once and only 200pts away from 5dan
>"I might soon be able to actually play in tokujou on this shitty account!"
>Go on tilt
>5 days later, 0.19 1st rate, 0.21 4th rate 1690R, 300pts away from demoting back to 3dan
I'm sad but I know I'm not going to quit this kusoge anytime soon as much as I want to.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 21:03:01 2016 No.15538523 >>15538504 It's better this way, tokujou is 10 times the suffering.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 14 23:56:33 2016 No.15539291 >>15538504 it's normal. what you lost seems like a lot but it's not that much. it's easy to recover from that. you just got to try to control yourself. i've fucked my account a couple of times going on tilt too.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 01:48:53 2016 No.15539669 >>15535943 I'm unsure if I like being alive

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 02:29:42 2016 No.15539806 File: 275 KB, 784x596, Sin título4.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15539669 Same here, friend.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 05:19:39 2016 No.15540315 >>15535943 Mahjong is a love-hate thing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 07:31:03 2016 No.15540705 >3:0

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 12:03:04 2016 No.15541394 >>15538504 I want ot be good at this game so badly. I'm so frustrated with how bad I am and how badly I tilt. My mindstate just isn't good for learning. I need to calm down. This game makes me so damn mad.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 12:11:18 2016 No.15541412 >>15541394 It's not the game's fault if you're unwilling to learn.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 12:12:18 2016 No.15541416 >>15541412 Oh, no, it's entirely my fault. I know. It's just a frustrating experience. This game is frustrating.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 12:56:19 2016 No.15541539 >Totori-sensei now at R2300, 10dan Is it possible to have two Tenhou-i ranking?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 13:21:25 2016 No.15541617 >>15541539 No. They must fight to the death

Anonymous Fri Jul 15 13:33:38 2016 No.15541655
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>>15540315

It's just that every time I play mahjong I have a real blast and score pretty well for a person of my skill. I only play one game or so every other month though, and I don't even know why.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 13:47:58 2016 No.15541699 File: 399 KB, 727x620, bye man.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Saw that coming, but I'd rather bust out than fold with that hand The funny thing is that I ended up first and shimocha 3rd

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 14:18:31 2016 No.15541797 >>15541699 You playing bad on purpose ruins the game for everyone.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 14:32:02 2016 No.15541840 >>15541797 You sound like someone who's been playing the game for less than a year. Furthermore, I don't know how you could think not folding with a baiman tenpai is at all 'playing bad on purpose'.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 14:34:21 2016 No.15541846 File: 1000 KB, 500x525, laughing slut.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15541797 I don't give a fuck about everyone

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 14:59:55 2016 No.15541933 >>15541840 I'd rather fold a baiman tenpai than deal into one.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 15:03:33 2016 No.15541945 File: 198 KB, 285x400, Shiba_Miyuki.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xviAdBWFDPg Everyone else? BTFO.

Anonymous Fri Jul 15 15:25:33 2016 No.15542013
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>>15541933
You're talking in retrospect. With all of the hands open, yes, it's clear that Pei is the winning tile, and as the score screen shows it is a baiman hand due to ura. However, we have no way of knowing prior to it happening.

Furthermore, you say you'd rather fold. May I ask how? South has no safe tiles in his hand. West's riichi overflow tile is 4m. This means that he probably has tiles in his hand that are near 4m, or he discarded 4m to get an edge wait. A very brief glance at what we can see tells us the following:

1) 2m, 5m, and 6m are live tiles.
2) Six of the tiles in the 2m-5m vein are visible. Seven tiles in the 5m-8m vein are visible. The ones we can't see are one 2m and one 5m.

This means that making sequences around 4m is very difficult, which in turn means that the chance he's waiting on something around the 4m is higher. Dealing 2m and 5m is out of the question, they're by far the most dangerous because the 2-5-8 vein is almost dry. 6m is also dangerous because there is one 5m unaccounted for, so it could be a 3m-6m edge wait as well. There is also the danger of a 6m-something else shanpon.

Pei is by no means safe, it's also a live tile as well as the dora. But, if all of the tiles in your hand are dangerous, you might as well go with the option that benefits you the most. In this case, that's accepting the baiman tenpai; cutting Pei is the right choice in that situation. The only other tile you could make an argument for is 6m, because 5m, 7m, and 8m are almost all gone, but there's still the danger of 6m shanpon, in which case it's still more dangerous than Pei because the number of waits it can be won off are higher.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 15:32:13 2016 No.15542032 >>15542013 I wouldn't have had to fold because I don't play like an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 15:33:10 2016 No.15542038 >>15542032 I find that hard to believe when you debate like one.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 15:34:18 2016 No.15542043 >>15542032 t. 2-dan R1400

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 16:17:28 2016 No.15542217 >>15541945 Dem titties...

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 17:55:09 2016 No.15542507 >>15541945 Those tits man, did Ritz start selecting the contestants for tournaments?

Anonymous Fri Jul 15 21:13:51 2016 No.15543103
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>>15533621
Well it doesn't look like this will get better any time soon. If I make my hands, someone comes in and pulls a ridiculous South 4, and when I don't the tsumos destroy me. Been an absolutely brutal last couple months. Playing aggressively at least seems to give me a chance, but when no one deals in to anyone else it's just a matter of time before it backfires.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 21:18:18 2016 No.15543117 2.0

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 15 21:22:15 2016 No.15543135 >>15543117 3.0

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 04:18:18 2016 No.15544307 >2:0

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 04:55:56 2016 No.15544374 File: 425 KB, 729x618, You should be able to solve this.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What would you discard?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 05:16:49 2016 No.15544406 >>15544374 7m, then wait for 2s/4s

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 05:24:58 2016 No.15544420 File: 430 KB, 727x619, omedetou.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15544406 4s wouldn't come, but hey, at least you avoided dealing into haneman A didn't

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 06:11:31 2016 No.15544482 >>15544374 7p

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 07:50:44 2016 No.15544710 File: 1.22 MB, 964x705, be098fb5eafefc7110731a8c261f3f08[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What a kusoge.

Anonymous Sat Jul 16 08:01:55 2016 No.15544747
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It's another one of those games where everyone else mystically get to build their hands way quicker than you and all of your dangerous discards are their waits. Just fuck my life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 08:35:47 2016 No.15544858 http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016051320gm-00c1-0000-3e439565&tw=2&ts=3

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 16 10:12:15 2016 No.15545106 >>15544747 There is nothing mystical about it. You're just inefficient with your discards.

Anonymous Sat Jul 16 10:24:44 2016 No.15545122

>>15544747
I know it's hard to believe, but it really is just you being bad. This isn't a bad thing or something to be upset about. This is motivation, acknowledging this means you can improve. Read Daina Chiba's book, read Mahjong blogs, learn about tile efficiency and defensive play. You can do it, anon. I believe in you.

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