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I'm just going to come out and say it.

I think America was justified in bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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ヽ(°∀°)ﾉHooray!

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DEMOCRACY!

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>>15717

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Holy shit, this board moves fast.

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Fukken Japs deserved it.

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Hey guys, please fight fair and invade me. I have plenty of kamikazes and Ohka. About 60 conventional submarines and plenty of midget submarines in hidden coves ready for one last mission, plus I have hundreds of Kaitens, and fast suicide boats. I have frogmen ready to release mines from the bottom of the ocean. I also have frogmen with mines on a stick for your landing craft. Plus, I have soldiers with anti-tank mines on a stick for your armor. After everything else, I have peasant women with sharpened sticks.

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>>15255

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>>16410
And vanishing anime and lolis from the face of the earth?
FAG.


SAVE JAPAN. SAVE THE LOLIS.

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posting in a nuke thread

>> No.15145

They calculated that there would of been more deaths if they hadn't of done it.

>> No.15135

Ok.

>> No.15157

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree.

>> No.15166

All's fair in love and war, that's not one of the reasons I hate America.

>>15145

Well, more deaths of Americans at least.

>> No.15175

>of
>of

Double fail

>> No.15176

I think it was a pretty faggy and lame thing to do.

>> No.15182

>>15120
>>Ondore

You do the math.

>> No.15200

>>15182
Ondore only lied to the Empire.

His will is one of truth.

>> No.15191

Don't forget the destruction an all out ground war would have wrought.

>> No.15213

Not an atomic bomb though. That was terrible.

>> No.15214

>>15166
>>Germany.

>> No.15222

>>15120

You know, they could have dropped the bomb near the coast as a warning, give them 4 days to surrender or else.

>> No.15232

what, no inb4 shitstorm?

I honestly don't care if they were right or wrong. It was a war.

>> No.15240

>>15222
Massive waste of money. Also, it would put them on alert and they wouldn't have another opportunity.

>> No.15247

>>15213
We bombed them once and they did not back down. It's there fault for not surrendering. If they had submitted to Amerikkka then maybe we could argue that the first bomb wasn't justified. By them not surrendering after the first bomb only proves that they were so hell bent on war to almost any extreme.

>> No.15229

Japan should be happy. Being nuked saved the world from witnessing a hot nuclear war. They should tell their children of this, being unsung heros, instead of whining about being nuked. Have some fucking pride.

>> No.15254

To take a purely utilitarian point of view, we'll never really know whether the dropping of the bombs caused fewer casualties than than an invasion of the mainland.

I am of the opinion, however, that it would have been much, much worse. Both for the American forces and the Japanese. When citizens are prepared to fight with sharpened bamboo sticks to repell an opposing force at all costs, the line between civilian and soldier breaks down. It would have been an almighty bloodbath.

>> No.15255

>>15166
As a mexican, and thus hater of all that is USofA, and having a grandfather that fough in the Philippines as a airman in The Aztec Eagles that were attached to the 58th Fighter Group of the United States Army Air Forces and as a part of the Fuerza Aerea Expedicionaria Mexicana (FAEM), I say, better them that us.

>> No.15258

>>15247
>there

>> No.15266

>>15261
No one likes Jews anyways.

>> No.15267

No because I'm not asian so more of my ancestors would of died.

>> No.15261

>>15214

Duh, we killed a couple of millions Jews, get over it.

>> No.15275

>>15261
Germany you should of sucked America's dick when you had the chance.

>> No.15277

There would have been just as many civilian deaths in a ground invasion, plus Russia was moving in from the north. If Japan didn't surrender quickly we would have had another east/west Germany situation going on.

>> No.15300

>>15254
the same was predicted for germany.

while the japanese generals might have actually believed in their bushido crap, the general public wouldn't have cared much. if you treat people well and make sure life will be better for them if they don't resist, i.e. you don't start raping/killing civilians, then nobody would've resisted except for a few lunatics.

>> No.15302

>>15240
>waste of money

Now you're just being silly...

>it would put them on alert

What could they possibly do to counter a small bomber with a weapon capable of mass destruction?

>> No.15305

Germany just dropped nuclear bombs on America to end WW2, but it's OK cause otherwise more people would have died.

>> No.15282

>>15222

They dropped one on a city and told them to surrender, and Japan refused. So they dropped another one, and claimed to have 4 more. Learn 2 history.

>> No.15290

>>15222
And irradiate the fish populations of the entire country creating fallout effects for who knows how long?

>> No.15326

The debate of whether or not America should have dropped the bomb is the same as the debate about whether or not America should have completely denied Japan's repeated calls for peace and insist on total capitulation and occupation. The US insisted on having its half of the Pacific, and the bomb was its way of ensuring that.

That said, it's kind of hard to picture the world without the bomb. That thing really marked the beginning of a new era, even though it only happened 60 years ago, debating its validity is similar to debating whether or not the Normans should have invaded in 1066. The event totally reshaped the world.

>> No.15332

Who needs morals? Amerikka pwns.

>> No.15340

>>15277
CCCP Anime?
Sound like a game plan!

>> No.15342

>>15282

Yeah, a city is a far better spot than a reef.

>> No.15335

>>15305
If America was acting psychotic I wouldn't have any problem with it. ITT Butthurt weeaboos.

>> No.15348

You heard wrong. It's babelfish.

>> No.15360

>>15338
reported

>> No.15361

>>15353


????

>> No.15363

FREEDOM DROPS!!

>> No.15364

>>15302
Anti-Air?

>> No.15367

>>15305

Oh wow great that would have been. Also lol morals, war isn't about having as few deaths as possible.

>> No.15351

No, just a splinter of the old /a/ that will cause the death of both boards.

>> No.15352

whoops can't show that in a christian /jp/

>> No.15353

>>15305
Unlike Germany and Japan, America wasn't slaughtering people.

>> No.15377

>>15120
There is no justification for murder, ever.
Fuck this thread and fuck all ya'll warmongering pieces of shit.

>> No.15378

>>15290
OH GOD, NOT THE FISH.
/facepalm and sage

>> No.15379

>>15342

Fuck. You said it would have been better to scare them into surrendering by dropping it on a beach. Clearly, if they're not even going to surrender when it gets dropped on a city, a nuclear explosion on a beach would be a relatively laughable threat.

>> No.15380

>>15305
In this alternate history, if the US were the agressor in any fashion and not a late-shower to the whole thing, and if that would have actually ended the war somehow, and we assume Germany gave up the whole 'execution camp' thing after the ceasefire and was relatively benevolent in the ensuing half century, this would be true.

>> No.15382

>>15353

And, of course, not killing people gives you the right to kill other people.

>> No.15390

Why fuck does everything have to have rules like War? Stop bitching about the past.

>> No.15371

>>15300
>if you treat people well and make sure life will be better for them if they don't resist, i.e. you don't start raping/killing civilians, then nobody would've resisted except for a few lunatics.
Bullshit. Complete bullshit.

If the emperor had called for resistance, the Americans would've been swimming in the blood of the Japanese.

>> No.15404

There's nothing wrong with killing a few civilians in war for a greater cause. Which is why I don't get why Americans are still crying their eyes out after 9/11.. even they call it a "war" on terror, so what's the big deal? A few people and a couple of buildings, casualties of war are sad but it was no tragedy. They've done the same thing.

>> No.15394

>>15367
you'd be one of the first to be sent to the camps, the nazis didn't like pedos.

>> No.15420

There's no justification for the horrific use of a nuclear bomb. Nor for what the survivors and their children and grand children had to go through (disability, stigmas, financial hardship, etc).

There is no justification for Japan going to war with China and killing millions of people. Including the Rape of Nanking.

I know that the bombing was not the right course of action. I also know that allowing more soldiers on both sides to die was not the right course of action.

There's really no justifying either side's actions. It was horrible all around.

>> No.15407

>>15353
Protip: everyone was.

>> No.15431

>>15378
You're on the fucking high-level weeaboo board, you should know something about the Japanese diet, if not necessarily ecology. That would create a longer period of suffering for more people than incinerating two cities.

>> No.15433

>>15404
We aren't crying. Plus basically we aren't about right we are about delivering the pain ten times to the people who caused it to us.

>> No.15435

>>15407
but not everyone was doing it systematically.

>> No.15436

Unless Japs would've rather have had Soviets taking control of more than just the small northern islands of Japan, then yes. I think we can all imagine what the Russians would've done to the silly japs for payback.

I found it interesting they didn't surrender to the first A-bomb. It wouldn't have just been more American deaths, it would been more women and children deaths as well, not just soldiers. Seeing as how they were ready to fight with bamboo sticks and all.

>> No.15441

WWII was one big civilian bombing after another. Considering what happened in Tokyo fire bombings the nukes weren't a whole lot worse except for the residual effects. They were just scarier because the explosions were ass fucking big.

>> No.15423

>>15377
If the Allies hadn't taken arms Germany would of taken over the majority of Europe. Sometimes war is necessary.

>> No.15427

>>15390

My opinion exactly. People need to grow a spine and accept what they have done without being total pussies about it like the Germans.

Oh we killed so many Jews, we have to behave like fucking doormats forever.

>> No.15456

America saved Europe and what do we get? Massive I hate american spams. Also Russia was going to fuck all germans in ass and we helped relieve some of that attention to help the germans out.

>> No.15458

>>15423

America loves to interfere into stuff that never was their fucking business. Whatever happened to the "you leave us alone, we leave you alone" policy? If I recall correctly it was called Monroe doctrine.

>> No.15443

>>15382
Or rather, stop them from killing people.

>> No.15445

FUCK YEAH AMERIKKANS EXPERIMENTING THEIR AWESOME BOMBS ON DIRTY JAPANESE.

>> No.15474

>>15404
>>There's nothing wrong with killing a few civilians in war for a greater cause.

What the fuck is wrong with you?
What "greater cause"? You deluded shitbird, go fuck yourself. Murdering swine like you perpetuate bullshit wars.

>> No.15485

>>15458
Went out the window with the smokey paranoia of the 60's.

>> No.15486

If we kill everyone on the planet, we can stop them from killing more people. LET'S FUCKING DO IT!

>> No.15490

>>15458
Indeed. I think I would've liked my country a lot better if we still followed that.

>> No.15491

>>15404
Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with the 'War on Terror'. If we had just gone to Afghanistan no one would be bitching and moaning. Lrn

>> No.15492

Guys war is good we can get more space.

>> No.15479

>>15474
Don't bother him he is obviously muslim.

>> No.15500

>>15486

FUCK YEAH I CAN SEE THE FUTURE

>> No.15502

>>15458
We are talking about America 1940s. Modern America is shit, I agree.

>> No.15503

>>15458
You would've loved that, wouldn't you, Anonymous of what could've been Nazi Europe.

>> No.15504

>>15441
Yep, there were bombardments in Europe that killed(excluding residual effects)more people than the nuclear attacks. But a nuclear attacks is a whole lot more dramatic.

>> No.15505

>>There's nothing wrong with killing a few civilians in war for a greater cause.

Seriously, what the fuck?

Are you so disconnected from reality that you think the dropping of 2 nuclear bombs that completely flattened the city is a FEW civilian causalities?

God, people can be dumb.

>> No.15506

The US could've probably beaten Japan by just conventional bombardment, and waiting for them to surrender. Wanting to see how effective the a-bomb was going to be, and letting the rest of the world know who has them was probably a big factor in dropping them.

Still, I don't think it was "evil" of the Yanks to drop the bombs. The second half of WW2 was a no-holds-barred total war, and bombing with conventional weapons had already killed way, way more people than the a-bombs ever would. To put it bluntly, the war had advanced to such an extreme point of escalation, that using nuclear weapons wasn't unusual at all. It was kill millions of people or have millions of your people killed, and bombing civilian targets was a valid strategy used by all sides.

Mind you, this is coming from a very far-left liberal European university student with very critical views to current US foreign policy. Pretty much everything done by the Bush administration has been a colossal blunder, but WW2 was fundamentally different in every respect.

>> No.15494

>>15456

I know that if not for the reconstruction of Germany by American money, we'd probably be farmers now instead of No 1 in exports. However that was not benevolence, that was just helping yourself to get good meat shields for the cold war.

>> No.15495

ITT horrible and incorrect views of the world.

>> No.15521

>>15495
Oh I agree. While there are a few sane people in this thread, most of it is chest-thumping 19th century nationalistic horseshit that has absolutly NO PLACE in the world of today.

>> No.15524

The first one? Maybe.

Dropping a second was jumping the gun.

>> No.15514

>>15495
ITT: Holier-than-thou asses.

If you think you're so right, grace us with your oh-so-correct opinion.

>> No.15542

Threads like these make me sick. A bunch of warmongering faggots and moral elitist queers arguing to see who's the bigger douche.

Worthless.

>> No.15533

>>15441

But there were also lasting effects from the nuclear bombs that you didn't get with fire bombings - both psychologically and physically.

>> No.15562

>>15514
The murder of millions cannot be rationalized
No war can be justified.

>> No.15563

>>15542
>A bunch of warmongering faggots and moral elitist queers

Hypocritical much?

>> No.15567

>>15533
Why is everyone feeling so sorry for Japan. It's there fucking faults. WE ASKED THEM TO SURRENDER. We dropped a bomb and asked them to surrender again, they refused. It's sad that many of you have more loyalties to Japan than your own fucking country.

>> No.15573

>>15427
>People need to grow a spine and accept what they have done without being total pussies about it like the Germans.
isn't that what germans are doing?
admitting that horrible war crimes happened during ww2, committed by their fellow countrymen. they also take responsibility by not forgetting or trying to cover up anything, making sure that such crap never happens ever again. do you feel personal guilt because of that? if so, then YOU are the one who needs to grow a spine.

>> No.15574

>>15377

There's a reason why you're not a military tactician.

>> No.15577

>>15506
>The US could've probably beaten Japan by just conventional bombardment
So you agree that killing more lives by conventional bombing is better than one huge dramatic explosion that killed less people that would fire bombing of cities?

>> No.15585

>>15503
loling at how almost every argument against Anonymous of Germany can be summarized as "OH YEAH? WELL YOU'RE A NAZI."

You all need to stop throwing around the concept of justifiable actions in a war. Someone could easily argue it would've been acceptable to let Germany conquer all of Europe since it would've been more powerful as a whole, or some shit.

>> No.15591

>>15503

Sure, too bad all geniuses are retarded in a way.

>> No.15601

>>15524
See this.
>>15567

>> No.15602

>>15506
No, it was definitely evil as shit for us to do it. Generally it's just found to be the slightly lesser of the two major military options, even in context of the cold nuclear conflict that followed -- had it not been for pictures of royally fucked up Japanese babies, the US and USSR may not have been so hesitant to ever push the button.

>> No.15608

>>15585
You'll have to settle for the EU.

>> No.15609

LOL

This is what I call an effective troll. Even if that wasn't the intent.

>> No.15614

So this what /n/ was like. Thank god I never visited.

>> No.15627

>>15585
You're an idiot, you aren't even worth a decent response.

>> No.15641

>>15458
Why did you even bring that in? We are discussing the justification of bombing Japan with nukes, and you have to bring up shit that has nothing to do with it. Just leave.

>> No.15658

>>15567

Are you serious?

I don't have to feel loyal to ANY country for what happened before I was born. I'm not gonna sit around defending all of the U.S.'s actions just because I happened to be born here.

Nor do I somehow love Japan or any other country more than my own. I try to think for myself and make my own decision - shocking, I know.

>>It's there fucking faults. WE ASKED THEM TO SURRENDER. We dropped a bomb and asked them to surrender again, they refused

If we're gonna blame this on someone maybe I'd blame it on the crazy nationalistic military who wouldn't let the emperor or anyone else back down.

However I can't use politics to justify killing so many innocent people. It's not THEIR fault that the war continued.

>> No.15662

America would have become involved in the war much later (if at all) if Japan had not attacked Pearl Harbor.

Even the general leading the attack advised against it. America was far too concerned being isolationist to give two shits about the Phillipines.

By the time America would entered the war, the Axis powers would have controlled most of the civilised world at the time.

Germany fucked up by screwing around before invading Russia. They should have just waited until much later or done it before chill threw them out.

tl;dr Japan is the reason for America's influence on the Earth's culture in this present day reality.

>> No.15644

>>15300
germany and japan were totally different. The Nazi were in charge for "just" 12 years, they couldn't brainwash the entire population. In Japan they taught the kids a militant nationalism that saw the emperor as a god since he got back into power. Before that they lived in a backward, isolated samurai lead society. There's a hige difference

>> No.15650

hahaha! I love anon of germany.

>> No.15651

>>15574
Because I grew up in a military family (shit goes back like easily 500 years) and I absolutely refuse to have anything to do with it. In my eyes no one is lower than one who tells his brother to murder in the name of a piece of cloth. And next to him, the man who feels like me, but refuses to stand up, back straight and say "I will not help you murder children".

>> No.15669

>>15627
I said two things.
1. 'lol anon of germany is a nazi since they're from germany'
2. Nothing in war is justifiable.

How am I an idiot?

>> No.15694

>>15486
I find your ideas intriguing and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

>> No.15696

ITT people get butthurt over something which doesn't fucking matter anymore.

>> No.15697

>>15609
It definitely was.

>> No.15708

People die when they are killed.

>> No.15717

I love how Americans seem to refuse the idea to ever admit having done something morally wrong for their own good. Oh well, some might, but no one seems to be fine with it. It's war goddamit, not just any war but a world war about fucking dominating the entire world.

Oh well, I'm going to sleep now. It's regrettable Germany couldn't win, we did a lot of shit that was wrong... but what about it? There's no place for the past in the future.

>> No.15718

>>15708

WHAT!?

>> No.15738

>>15696
Ideally you learn history so that you don't repeat it, as they say. Too bad we do anyway.

>> No.15739

>>15506

Conventional Bombing had been going on since the summer of '44, so no.

As for the A-Bomb. Its the lesser of two evils. You either drop the bomb, killing hundreds of thousands, or launch an invasion which would of been a meatgrinder like the world has never seen. Millions of Japanese dead, Millions of Americans Dead, and a landscape which would be so torn out by war that it would make Flanders in 1918 look like Hawaii.

So yes, The a-bomb was the correct choice.

>> No.15741

OH GOD THE DRAMA. THE DRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I remember writing an essay on this very same topic. Well, I'm pretty sure most of you did too. It's a pretty common essay topic in social studies / history.

>> No.15746

>>15708
BLEACH SAYS OTHERWISE

>> No.15749

>>15644
That is true. I had a professor in college, she was a young girl during WW2 in Japan and she said she absolutely believed that the Emperor was a living god. Everyone shat bricks when the Emperor went out and said he wasn't a god.

>> No.15753

>There's no place for the past in the future.

Smartest thing said ITT. Everyone shut up and die.

>> No.15733

>>15377

Superb troll.

>> No.15736

>>15717
We have but you also need to accept some of us didn't vote for our current president either. So hating us in general is retarded.

>> No.15737

>>15717
HEIL HITLER!

>> No.15760

I think you're more or less right.

Perhaps Nagasaki could be spared, but the core idea was the less worse in face of the very little time they had and the fact that Uncle Stalin was very much right there - remember that it seems the surrender was 50% the bomb / 50% the total manchurian pwnage.

Anyway, the cost of only Coronet and Olympic was exstimated on about 1,200,000 casualities with 267,000 fatalities.
Total Downfall was between more than a million and half and four million casualities and five to ten millions japanese fatalities.
I think that numbers speak.

>Japan's repeated calls for peace

Yeah, and what else? Let them keeping Indonesia oil as a prize (i.e.=one of the most important causes for war?)? Come on, man.

>> No.15764

>>15717
>We didn't something wrong! Stop mentioning it!

Oh no. We're going to rub this shit in for hundreds of years.

>> No.15772

>>15736

WHAT ARE YOU, RETARDED? OF COURSE THE OPINIONS OF ONE PERSON INDICATE THE OPINIONS OF AN ENTIRE COUNTRY.

Gawd.

>> No.15774

I don't like speculation and "what if"s regarding History, the whole process hinted that resolution(to mention just one factor, the genesis of the Cold War), I don't think it could ha been different. As for apologizing for war crimes, well it's all part of politics and diplomacy, it's just a duty of every "modern democracy" and not a true compromise for the future.

>> No.15757

>>15658
Yes, the 'little' guy did nothing horrible. I mean it's not like the soldiers, who were not commanded to do so, raped, tortured, killed, thousands of people in China. Not to mention causing general destruction. What the Japanese did in the war was fucked up, and many of them have just as much to be blamed for as the higher ups.

For example, the Japanese used to make the Chinese drink a gallon of water and then they'd jump on their stomp on their stomachs and water would should out of all their orifices. Let's not forget the two Japanese officers who lined up two rows of 100 Chinese citizens and had a competition to see who could chop off the most head's first with their katana's.

>> No.15759

>>15644
>In Japan they taught the kids a militant nationalism that saw the emperor as a god
guess what? in germany they taught the kids a militant nationalism that saw them as superior and everyone else as evil subhumans trying to destroy them in a neverending social darwinist struggle. according to nazi ideology ww2 was a total war - the loser would be destroyed entirely.

>Before that they lived in a backward, isolated samurai lead society.
a feudal society knows a local lord, but no nationalism. i think you're overestimating the willingness of people to die for ideals. people will only blow themselves up if their life is so shitty that blowing themselves up seems like a good option. soldiers might fight, but the general public simply wants to lead a peaceful life.

>> No.15784

The past is future as we need to have ww3 in 2012 so we can all die together as earth explodes.

>> No.15802

>>15717
Again, I said that America is sick. I hate current America. Our government should be tried for crimes for the torture we've done in Guantanamo, for one. Not to mention the useless killing of civilians in Iraq, which is a purposeless war (besides the greed of many higher up men). The point is, it is completely irrelevant to the topic of this thread.

>> No.15811

Not to mention we got 3 shit canidates for the next president.

>> No.15812

>>15802

Hahaha, oh wow. In during shitstorm.

>> No.15814

Somebody post this in 2chan.

>> No.15815

>>15753
Actually I'd call that one of the more ignorant things said in the thread.

>> No.15819

>>15759

Most of the German children learning the Nazi fascist view were not even of age to serve in the military at the time of the war.

Morale for the public military (and people) stemmed from the contempt towards the Treaty of Versailles.

>> No.15824

You should less argue, and watch more LoGH.

>> No.15825

>>15814
Japanese don't care but I think it could be lulzy

>> No.15827

Not being alive at the time I could not have anything to do with it.

>> No.15854

>>15717
It's funny, because bawwwwwwing about the past is why Germany started the war.

>> No.15860

>>15120
America didnt bomb them, that faggotry was done by the US alone.

>> No.15863

>>15824
Not a bad plan

>> No.15849

>>15717
Its official germans are emofags

>> No.15876

>>15849
Since Goethe.

>> No.15879

/jp/ - History & Debate

>> No.15865

>>15802

I'm not a fan of current American idealogy but standardizing and modernizing all areas of the Earth seem to the current goal at the moment, regardless of any ulterior motives.

>> No.15870

>>15815
Well, there is a difference between learning from the past, and BAWWWWing and being butthurt over things that have past and can't be changed.

However, relations between East Asian nations are fucked up because the populations and politics of all of the countries are incredibly nationalistic, and each side just wants to be officially "right," which is completely ignoring the lessons that they should have learned from WWII.

>> No.15903

>>15879
We need a debate and politics board.

>> No.15912

>>15717
>It's regrettable Germany couldn't win
i absolutely fail to see how anyone posting on a place like 4chan could even remotely think that a world governed by nazis could be something good. all the things we love wouldn't exist in this world.

no animu
no mango
no loli
no internets
no free speech
no being a parasitic otaku

working to become a valuable part of society only (if we weren't already sorted out for being physically/racially unfit).

final destination: auschwitz.

>> No.15890

>>15865
We had no intention of modernizing Iraq. We went there to take care of Saddam and take some of their oil. We fucked up and can't get out.

>> No.15923

America should attack China.

>> No.15927

>>15903
We did. It was /n/.

>> No.15932

>>15916
Also, you forgot the sage.

>> No.15916

ITT ignorance.

>> No.15940

>>15903
We did. It was /n/.
>>15916
Also, you forgot the sage.

>> No.15941

>>15759
that's why I said the Nazis were just 12 years in charge, germany was a democracy before, and before that they had the german empire lead by prussia, which was pretty progressive for the 19th century. And I brought up feudal Japan to point out that they lived for hundrets of years under totalitarian leaders, they didn't know anything else, and if someone who was above them said they had to obey an order they did it. Heck, you can even see that mentality today in Japan, look at your average Salaryman.

>> No.15937

/jp/=/a/ and /n/ fused

>> No.15950

>>15903

That'd be neat, we could name it Politics and it could be a text board! Oh wait...

>> No.15961

This is my fastest thread ever.

>> No.15964

>>15916
If we're so ignorant, enlighten us.

>> No.15973

>>15964

2/10

>> No.15974

>>15542
So I guess we wait for Trey Parker to come up with a reasonable middle ground?

>> No.15981

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS? OLD /n/?

>> No.16003

>>15974
Got that one in the thread already, "We only should have dropped one bomb"

>> No.15995

vvvvvvvvv
>>15506<<
^^^^^^^^^

>> No.16024

>>15981
There are at least two currently active threads that have devolved into a /n/-style shitfest.

>> No.16013

can we now move to the rape of nanking please ?

>> No.16031

>>16013
When this thread dies.

>> No.16033

Didnt that crazy fuck general MacArthur of ours want to use the a-bomb against the chinese in korea, and use the a-bomb for all persuasion purposes? I think some people back then didnt realize the effects of the A-bomb too well.

>> No.16041

>>16033
Macarthur was a jackass.

>> No.16042

>>16013
>There probably is no crime that has not been committed in this city today. Thirty girls were taken from the language school last night, and today I have heard scores of heartbreaking stories of girls who were taken from their homes last night—one of the girls was but 12 years old… Tonight a truck passed in which there were eight or ten girls, and as it passed they called out "Jiu ming! Jiu ming!"—save our lives

I'd be delighted!

>> No.16058

>>16013
NOW YOU'VE DONE IT.

>> No.16046

>>15577

No, that's exactly not my point. I think you got me backwards here.

>> No.16061

What is debatable about Nanking? It's like saying Shoah didn't happen and Auschwitz was a pizza restaurant.

Oh wait-

>> No.16069

>>15120

it was the bomb, or Downfall and the division of Japan between China, The United Kingdom, The United States, and the Soviet Union, leading to another divided nation along side Germany, Korea and Yemen.

>> No.16095

>>16058
NOW I'VE LOST IT

>> No.16109

>>16095
I KNOW I CAN ARGUE

>> No.16110

>>15941
>And I brought up feudal Japan to point out that they lived for hundrets of years under totalitarian leaders, they didn't know anything else
as i said before, in feudal societies it doesn't matter to the people who governs them.

>if someone who was above them said they had to obey an order they did it.
it was the same case in germany. the core aspect of german military training was obedience and willingness to serve.

>Heck, you can even see that mentality today in Japan, look at your average Salaryman.
a stereotype. while japanese workers spend more time in their office, they're not more productive than office workers in the us.

but i think we won't be able to resolve this conflict argumentative, since our main difference is of ideological nature.

i seriously doubt that the general public in japan would have been willing to grab their pitchforks to resist us troops in case they invaded the country. while it would've surely been ordered to resist at all costs, people would notice that they're fighting a losing war where death is the only outcome for them; and while such seemingly noble acts might inspire the more gullible part of the japanese soldiers, the public wouldn't care much about it, people forget about ideals the moment they see others getting ripped apart by shells and bullets. for reasonably thinking people, survival is always the better option.

>> No.16122

>>16109
THE TRUTH LIES WITHIN WIKIPEDIA

>> No.16125

>>16109

THE TRUTH IS JUST BEYOND /JP/

>> No.16128

>>16122
>>16118
Hivemind.

>> No.16118

>>16109

THE TRUTH IS BEYOND THE WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE

>> No.16157

Oh lord.

>> No.16164

>>16157

>> No.16203

>>15222

When faced with fanatics, never fire your gun into the air. This is especially true if you only have two bullets.

>> No.16267

>>15458

We followed the Monroe doctrine for a very long time, until Europe was screaming at us to help them and the Nazis were on the march.

Also, because the Japanese attacked us.

>> No.16282

>>15651
>Because I am a coward
fixed

>> No.16326

>>16203

They had more than 2 bullets, they just only dropped 2 bullets.

>> No.16371

I lol'd.

Amerikkka: "You see this fucking beach? We just nuked it. Your next, sir. 4 days."
Japan: "Huh."
The Emperor amasses all anti-air, shoots down the Enola Gay.

YOU DON'T GIVE WARNING SHOTS. THE ENTIRE WAR WAS A WARNING SHOT. JAPAN WAS CRAZY BACK THEN.

>> No.16410

Japs deserved it. They're being too cocky. Hell, even now, they're still being cocky as shit. I say we nuke 'em again so they'll know their place.

>> No.16429

>>16326
Actually, Fat Man and Little Boy were beta tests, the second and third nukes ever built. We'd shot our wad if they still didn't surrender for some insane reason.

>> No.16460

>>16371

They couldn't shot down the Bockscar, even after they nuked Hiroshima.

>> No.16461

This was a fun thread.

>> No.16499

>>16483

New thread.

>> No.16797

the U.S. deserved the 9/11.
And i still think Bush planned that to get support from the U.S. population via massacring some of his own people because Bush was THAT crazy for war.

>> No.17156

Keep in mind, we firebombed the shit out of Japan, set Tokyo ablaze and killed thousands of civilians, then we went down a list of the 17 of the largest Japanese cities and firebombed them. The Japanese still didn't surrender.

>> No.17195

>>15120
HOLY FUCK I CAN HIDE THIS STEAMING PILE OF SHIT THREAD NOW.

FUCK YEAH

>> No.18122

>>17195

Thank you for your contribution.

>> No.18207

>>15458
fuck i wish we were still under the Monroe doctrine. America would have been way better than it is now

>> No.18567

If 10 percent of the Nanking stories were true, Japan got off easy with 2 A-Bombs

>> No.18590

Same. Of course, not the killings of people, but property damage? Yes.

>> No.19032

PROTIP: BAAAAAAAAAWing about the nukes won't change anything in Japan now. Enjoy your Jap AV, animu, eroge, crazy japs doing crazy things and SHUT THE FUCK UP.

>> No.19200

>>18567

Nanking isn't too special compared to what pretty much every other country/ethnic group has done. I don't know if you're trolling or really are this retarded.

>> No.21063

Japan is one of the few countries in the world that has not been fucked over by European colonialism. Even after Japan's unprovoked attack against the United States and other countries, it was treated as well if not better than Germany.

>> No.21063,2 [INTERNAL] 

>206 replies

We'd be lucky if it even gets 50 nowadays.

>> No.21063,3 [INTERNAL] 

>>21063,2
All it takes is two autistic historyfags to show up and they can carry it on for hundreds.

>> No.21063,4 [INTERNAL] 

>>21063
>European colonialism
Japan should have adopted an alphabet the first time Europeans showed them a superior way of writing

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