Mahjong thread

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Mahjong thread Anonymous Sat Dec 12 08:52:47 2015 No.14478162 [Reply] [Original]

Hell waits are best waits.

http://pastebin.com/mu7z1WQk

tenhou.net/0/?L7447 - 1:0

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 09:28:45 2015 No.14478271 >>14478162 3.0

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 10:11:15 2015 No.14478383
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I was playing a tournament's placement round.
Every single hand started in uushanten or higher.
The dealer won off me 3 times and tsumo 5 times ever though I was into complete betaori.

I reached the last round as dealer with ONE HUNDRED POINTS, toimen with 60k points.
It was hopeless

But my hand started becoming a chiitoitsu with two dora
Then drew sanankou
Then, a sanankou tenpai
Then, 20 tiles from the end, suuankou tenpai

A direct hit from the toimen would have meant an amazing comeback win

Ryuukyoku
Everyone tenpai
Game end

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 10:16:40 2015 No.14478404 >>14478383 All of my mahjong knowledge is from solitaire and Akagi. But your description sounds pretty exciting. I'll have to learn mahjong someday.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 10:17:00 2015 No.14478405 I've watch a bunch of anime about mahjong and i even tried reading a guide on how to play it. I still have absolutely no idea how it works. Why is it so freaking hard to learn?

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 10:18:59 2015 No.14478411

>>14478405
>I've watch a bunch of anime about mahjong
Irrelevant

>i even tried reading a guide on how to play it
I doubt that, unless by 'tried reading' you mean scan reading it once without giving it any attention

Mahjong's only difficulty, if you can even call it that, is remembering the yaku, and they fit in a single page.
It's not hard.
You're just not putting any effort into it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 10:23:39 2015 No.14478418 I forgot to add that Osamuko has a lot of articles about the basics of defense like the different suji and different defense theories. Not trying to shill but it did help me a lot in the beginning.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 10:24:16 2015 No.14478420 File: 131 KB, 261x231, capture_009_10072015_185554.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ahh yeahhhhhhhhh 2nd

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 10:28:07 2015 No.14478431 >>14478420 Dead last but dragged someone down with me.

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 10:41:38 2015 No.14478472

>>14478411
not that guy: true to be told i learned rules and was able to play just after watching akagi. I think both sub and if you follow the game with some attention you can get how the game works. Then the only problem was to solve the ''no multiplier'' mistery and took just the second to look it on wikipedia. after that it was pretty easy to understand

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 14:56:21 2015 No.14479115
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Why does everyone on L0000 play like they're on fucking speed? Seriously can't go one round without
>PON
>CHI
>PON
>KAN
>PON
>PON
Doesn't matter what round, who the dealer is, what place they're in, or how far they are from first. Everyone and their cat aims for cheap tanyao or yakuhai hands every fucking time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 15:36:10 2015 No.14479214 >>14479115 What? Did you mean 7447? Because 0000 is usually far less offensive and doesn't call as often, not even the general lobby.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 15:37:17 2015 No.14479219 >>14479115 Maybe it's just the time of day you play at. I haven't seen that. Or maybe they've discovered that "fast, cheap hands until you get dealer then juggle the rest of the table with honba" is the best strategy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 16:16:35 2015 No.14479312 >>14479219 But the best strategy is "wait patiently and play defensive until you get the chance for one big hand, after that end the game as quickly as possible with tons of 1000 points kuitan"

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 17:42:14 2015 No.14479567 File: 102 KB, 399x345, 2015-12-12 19_39_17-オンライン対戦麻雀天鳳 _ Flash版.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I did it I have achieved the rank of 9 Dan And you all said I sucked well suck on THIS

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 17:45:13 2015 No.14479579 >>14479567 it's kyu, not dan

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 17:46:11 2015 No.14479585 File: 1.05 MB, 1280x720, 1435274904263.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14479579

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 17:49:11 2015 No.14479592 >>14478405 >hard Come on now The rules aren't hard at all (what is chi and pon, what is riichi) Then the yaku you don't even have to memorize. I used to think I should but just by playing you eventually learn most of them without even trying.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 18:18:16 2015 No.14479734 File: 27 KB, 640x480, 1444953472663.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14479567 >級

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 19:35:05 2015 No.14480028

I know I've bitched about this before but there will never be any way for me to win in 0000 unless I leave my family and job and invest in a sealed soundproof chamber or just fake my own death

GOD FORBID I get 20 or so fucking minutes without something breaking or the goddamn world needing me for something

>get double ron'd while I had my back turned

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 19:53:50 2015 No.14480070 >>14479567 >And you all said I sucked This is not true, I always believed in you! You are my hero.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:01:58 2015 No.14480092 File: 36 KB, 570x82, 2015-12-12 22_02_19-オンライン対戦麻雀天鳳 _ Flash版.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] QUICK WHAT DO I DO

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:03:01 2015 No.14480095 >>14480092 NEVERMIND I JUST RIICHID AND WON

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:04:23 2015 No.14480099 File: 34 KB, 590x87, 2015-12-12 22_02_19-オンライン対戦麻雀天鳳 _ Flash版.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] QUICK WHAT DO I DOOO

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:05:24 2015 No.14480104 >>14480099 NEVERMIND I JUST RIICHIDDD

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:05:28 2015 No.14480105 >>14480099 dunno lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:06:26 2015 No.14480108 >>14480104 AND WONN

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:07:01 2015 No.14480110 File: 376 KB, 733x627, dealing a dora.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How could he felt for it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:15:40 2015 No.14480138 >>14480092 Should have discarded the 5, 7, and 1 to go for ryuuiisou.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:20:43 2015 No.14480169 >>14480028 Just lock your room and claim your masturbating.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:21:53 2015 No.14480177 >>14480138 A while ago the fag to my right discarded the haku, the next one declared riichi and when it was my turn to discard I thought "well he would have called it so.." and discarded the my haku And that was it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:23:17 2015 No.14480181 >>14480110 If you're out of safer tiles you gotta be a man and bravely throw the live dora yakuhai.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:27:20 2015 No.14480193 File: 395 KB, 728x620, tenhou.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14480110 Link to the replay so we can see what else he had in his hand. This may be another Gogo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:30:06 2015 No.14480209 File: 1 KB, 315x75, 2015-12-12 22_30_34-オンライン対戦麻雀天鳳 _ Flash版.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:33:47 2015 No.14480230 i wanna play this, help. i know that you need to create 4 sets and a pair but what else is there to know?//?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:36:13 2015 No.14480240 File: 445 KB, 731x625, tenhou.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14480193 This was his hand

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:37:00 2015 No.14480243 >>14480230 Learn the basic yaku such as tanyao, pinfu, riichi, and tsumo. You need a yaku to win a hand.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:39:00 2015 No.14480253 >>14480230 Also, learn about furiten

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:40:57 2015 No.14480260 >>14480230 And download Maujong for android

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:42:39 2015 No.14480270 >>14480230 http://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/mahjong/mahjong_e.html We really need to start putting this link in the OP. This page lets you practice against bots and it has a basic list of yaku as you scroll down.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:46:19 2015 No.14480283 >>14480243 >>14480253 >>14480260 >>14480270 I appreciate it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:49:08 2015 No.14480293 I'm got really bad at this every single tile I've waiting to richii or tsumo is at someone hand with a pair or 3's this happens countless times, how I'm supposed to know if my wait is good or not?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:53:26 2015 No.14480307 >>14480293 Having more than one wait in the first place is a good place to start.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:58:35 2015 No.14480322 >>14480293 Gambru is the only option that and analizing all the discards >>14480307 b-but my fu and my love for kanchan

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 20:59:52 2015 No.14480329 Get in 7447 scrubs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 21:41:33 2015 No.14480462 >open kan Why? I don't understand.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:31:31 2015 No.14480640 >>14480240 Only answer is he didn't want to defend and insisted on going on with his sanshoku douko wait.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:33:38 2015 No.14480645 File: 164 KB, 862x646, fack me.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Come on how does this happen

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:35:22 2015 No.14480651 >>14480645 40% of high level mahjong rounds end in draws. In a weird way, the newfag strategy of calling everything actually becomes viable again in the higher levels because getting into tenpai before the end is the most important thing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:48:45 2015 No.14480692 File: 143 KB, 807x679, yes.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This feeds my autism

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:56:20 2015 No.14480723 >>14480692 and then I never one another. I just can't win or something... I just can't get good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:57:35 2015 No.14480727 >>14480723 Not with that attitude you can't.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 22:58:23 2015 No.14480729 >>14480727 I've been trying for like two weeks man.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:10:39 2015 No.14480780 >>14480293 If you're in tenpai and you have to choose between waiting on say 3377 or 3378 choose the latter.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:25:58 2015 No.14480841 File: 133 KB, 835x691, I dont understand.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Ok I don't understand. What do I do?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:27:27 2015 No.14480849 File: 73 KB, 1055x640, 1379361520221.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14480841 May as well make this the OP pic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:29:11 2015 No.14480855 >>14480841 This is a meme by now, isn't it? Yeah, it is. Please do not shitpost.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:29:41 2015 No.14480857 >>14480849 I know what furiten and I hadn't discarded the 3-pin before. I don't get what to do.

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:29:46 2015 No.14480859
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>>14480841
Pic related. If you thought the Winds counted for Yakuhai they don't, only the table wind (East in this case) and your seat wind (West in this case) count for that Yaku.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:30:46 2015 No.14480866 >>14480859 Oh I see. Damn

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:34:37 2015 No.14480877 >>14480729 >two weeks Nigga that's not long.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:35:13 2015 No.14480879 >>14480877 Yeah but I haven't been able to beat the AI more than like twice.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:36:17 2015 No.14480883 >>14480879 Fight the humans instead, the AI is much faster which makes it hard to keep up

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:37:34 2015 No.14480886 >>14480729 I was consistently beating the bots in that flash on the first day of learning.

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:37:52 2015 No.14480887

>>14480857
You don't have any yakus you faget. South is not your seat tile and not even the round tile. I have no idea why you would call it. Not even a tanyao/pinfu with that hand. Stop calling shit unless you have a yaku in mind and keep your hands closed.

>>14480879
Don't call eveything you see, it ruins your hands and cheapens it as well. Learn about the yakus and think about what yakus you can get with your starting hand and build around it. It's not that hard once you have knowledge about all of the hands.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:37:56 2015 No.14480889 >>14480883 This, I just played the flash game and they wrecked me. Part of it might be because playing against the computer is so god damn boring I just kept discarding without really thinking

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:38:29 2015 No.14480892 >>14480886 I've been at it for like two weeks and the only advice people give me is just to keep playing it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:39:11 2015 No.14480896 >>14480892 Just play in tenhou faggot

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:39:55 2015 No.14480900 >>14480896 I thought Tenhou only does ranked mode.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:40:29 2015 No.14480902 >>14480887 >Don't call eveything you see, it ruins your hands and cheapens it as well. This is always what make me lose, I know I shouldn't push the button but it is always too tempting, even when there is no reason whatsoever to do it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:41:29 2015 No.14480906 >>14480900 I don't understand, you don't want to play unless you're good at it so as to not ruin your rank? You can play as NoName as much as you want

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:41:35 2015 No.14480907 >>14480889 Happens to me as well. Everything just goes by in a flash and my mind automatically goes on auto-pilot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:43:05 2015 No.14480912 >>14480906 Like In Dota 2 they make you play unranked for like 70 hours till you can do ranked so your ranked actually reflects your skill. People who do ranked too early always get stuck in the trench and never can get out.

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:43:38 2015 No.14480914

>>14480900
Playing with other anons in a different lobby doesn't affect your ranks. Also you can play as a NoName and get an ID only once you're confident enough to play with the big guys.

>>14480902
As I said, unless you have a direction in your mind where you want to head it's fine, but you don't have a clue so stop calling everything yet. You can only see active calling in high level matches since they know what they're hands are and they understand the dynamics of the game and the discards real well.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:45:28 2015 No.14480922 >>14480912 Then just don't get an ID and you won't be ranked?

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:46:14 2015 No.14480925

>>14480902
Speaking of temptation, nothing makee me deal in more that the promise of a strong hand if I "just take a chance" on this tile.

You'd think I'd have learned by now that the second anyone declares riichi the only tiles I can discard are his/her furiten tiles. Otherwise it's a guaranteed deal-in no matter how unlikely.

I keep making that fool's wager sadly...

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:46:24 2015 No.14480926 >>14480922 ok

Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:49:48 2015 No.14480938

>>14480925
It's not a fool's wager if you have a grasp of what the waits of the person who riichi'd are. If you're confident you know what his waits can be then you can still go for it, or if you have a pretty good 5 han and above hand it's not bad to still go for it. But unless you have that 'feel' for the game I suggest you defend as much as possible.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:53:07 2015 No.14480948 File: 32 KB, 158x144, 1297070811138.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Akagi taught me that the first 4 or so tiles discarded means they have nothing close to them so they should be safe Thanks, Akagi

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:53:21 2015 No.14480950 3:0

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:53:54 2015 No.14480952 >>14480896 stop trying to get people on tenhou just to boost your room stats >>14480841 google yaku

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:54:12 2015 No.14480954 >>14480950 I'm waiting with you

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 12 23:58:36 2015 No.14480967 >2:0 when I enter >becomes 1:4 when I join JUST

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:22:16 2015 No.14481028 Was that held haku by megumi on purpose? Pretty well thought out if so.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:44:57 2015 No.14481099 -50 Dam

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:46:05 2015 No.14481109 What's the point of calling so many pon's and chii's if you're not gonna win? >>14481028 Which turn anon?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:48:04 2015 No.14481116 >>14481099 NoName? More like NoGame.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:48:26 2015 No.14481118 >>14481109 >What's the point of calling so many pon's and chii's if you're not gonna win? If you're talking about what I did, then none whatsoever

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:49:17 2015 No.14481121 >>14481116 I tried my best, but my best was not enough

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:49:26 2015 No.14481122 >>14481109 If I'm calling I usually have a game plan of some kind, the only exception is if the game is in the last few rounds and it seems like we'll tie, then I'll call to avoid Noten and/or keep my dealer position

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:49:43 2015 No.14481124 >>14481116 Go away Carlos.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 00:58:52 2015 No.14481165 NoGame here, I'm gonna assume that Tenhou follows the pattern of: Enter que Play game 2:0 until the end of time

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:00:22 2015 No.14481172 >>14481165 Only in this lobby. If you play in the main lobby then you join quickly. I think I'm waiting with you right now

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:00:24 2015 No.14481173 >>14481165 I'm watching Osu WC Finals so I can't play. Sorry.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:02:07 2015 No.14481179 >>14481165 Depends, the traffic is pretty spontaneous. I'm going to come back in a few minutes though, I had to do something.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:02:25 2015 No.14481180

>>14481109
Shit, I'm not sure. All I remember was that early on, winn/a/ played a haku and the game waited, clearly indicating someone else has a haku pair, and 5-10 discards later, when megumi drew a haku, he held it until toimen broke up the pair.

It's probably simply that megumi noticed there were still two unaccounted-for haku, rather than actually recalling that someone way earlier had considered pon, but on the other hand remembering when someone chooses not to call a dragon/wind seems like a good practice. I'm sure I'd do it too if the pressure of the time limit wasn't already causing me to make tons of mistakes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:04:32 2015 No.14481183 Alright I went to take a piss and now im back and its playing itself. Fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:04:41 2015 No.14481185 >>14481180 I seriously don't think the timer is short enough. I tend to not call dragons/ seat tiles early unless my hand is nearly built. When someone riichis it gives me to extra safe tiles so it's a win-win.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:10:52 2015 No.14481205 >>14481180 They should add random lags on tiles to prevent people from reading passed tile calls, maybe they already do.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:12:06 2015 No.14481206 >>14481185 I don't disagree with your choice, it just made me consider a potentially huge benefit to the way tenhou does calls that I hadn't thought about before.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:12:15 2015 No.14481209 >>14481205 They do.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:14:49 2015 No.14481220

>>14481206
Well it still depends on the situation. I call quick on dealer hands if I can. Also, I suggest that you take your time discarding even if you're damn sure what you're about to throw. Maybe it's just me but it's some sort of a psychological trick to make your opponents think the tile you're about to throw is important.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:19:05 2015 No.14481241 I feel sorry for you NoName

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:19:46 2015 No.14481244 >>14481241 ;-; I gave away ron twice in a row once in reach.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:23:19 2015 No.14481254 >>14481244 WHAT THE FUCK

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:23:54 2015 No.14481255 >>14481254 Ouch, -5600

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:25:34 2015 No.14481264 Weird Riichi, weird Ron. Good games.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:29:20 2015 No.14481275 >>14481254 You should have tried harder to take back the Flow. Strong discards when the Flow is against you will only blow up in your face.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:31:19 2015 No.14481281 >>14481275 I don't get what you mean

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:40:18 2015 No.14481307 >playing the Chun when Haku and Hatsu got called Do you have a death wish m8?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:41:24 2015 No.14481308 >>14481307 Lucky for him I didn't have it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:44:34 2015 No.14481318 >>14481281 The sand in the depths of hell is magical sand. Touching it will reverse fortune and one's own destruction.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:47:13 2015 No.14481323 >>14481318 ok

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 01:57:22 2015 No.14481353 >>14481318 I think my nose just grew 2 inches reading this

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 02:01:52 2015 No.14481361 Fucking goddamn Chiitoitsu, I always get iishanten and then discard what I get on my next draw ad infinitum.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 02:02:33 2015 No.14481363 File: 5 KB, 239x165, 2015-12-12_23-00-27.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Interested to see what are people's scores in the L7447 room

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 02:07:15 2015 No.14481380 >>14481361 The funny thing was, if I had discarded the 7pin instead of the 6pin, I would have tsumo'd the next turn for the extra han, but the 6pin was safer due to the 9pin discard of the riichi'd person.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 02:07:20 2015 No.14481381 File: 6 KB, 249x175, stats.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14481363 I don't know any of it means but here you go

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 02:09:14 2015 No.14481386 >>14481381 http://osamuko.com/sex/ describes everything you need to know about it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 02:39:30 2015 No.14481476 File: 375 KB, 728x1852, holy fuck I actually won.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Holy fuck I actually won.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 02:41:17 2015 No.14481484 >>14481476 Well done

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 02:42:07 2015 No.14481487 >>14481476 If you look at the replay, I was one tile away from san ankou that play when I closed kan'd. I also got really greedy when I kan'd when you were in riichi, hoping for that Rinshan.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 02:48:25 2015 No.14481493 File: 3 KB, 229x91, f008e3700e79b9be40286e9504899590[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14481363

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 02:57:17 2015 No.14481511 >>14481361 I feel you bro. I should start meditating again to try and gain precognition.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 02:59:20 2015 No.14481517 >>14481476 It seems that BeerTime ran out of magical sand.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:21:11 2015 No.14481711 I decided to watch Akagi since I know about mahjong now. I'm only a little in, but stealing a daisangen in front of the fucking yakuza? I wouldn't care about the cops, I'd fucking shoot him right there.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:23:09 2015 No.14481714 File: 733 KB, 1218x1007, 1378979379798.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14481711 Good one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:31:42 2015 No.14481728 >>14481714 I like the "I think I'm descending into the darkness" version better

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 04:42:18 2015 No.14481744 >comeback win over some geek that keeps getting easy yakuhai dora hands Feels good.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 05:21:16 2015 No.14481812
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>>14481744
>bullying people with cheap hands in south 3rd as dealer when I have a massive point lead and could easily just betaori and let someone else win to end the game quicker

Feels even better, too bad I've been sucking tonight other than that game

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 05:45:07 2015 No.14481845 >>14481812 fite me nerd

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 06:02:12 2015 No.14481866 File: 5 KB, 231x158, ss+(2015-12-13+at+07.00.32).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14481363 It's pretty neat.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 08:15:54 2015 No.14482084 File: 6 KB, 233x165, stillprettygood.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14481363

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 08:40:42 2015 No.14482113

>>14481206
I love it when someone discards an honor tiles and there's a long pause and then they decide to not call on it. I always throw out my honor tile right after. It's my way of saying "No, you faggot. Decide right now if your hand will be open or closed."

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 08:45:04 2015 No.14482118 >>14482113 God forbid they take a second or two more to think.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 08:46:09 2015 No.14482119 >2:0 >person leaves right after I join Alright.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 08:47:28 2015 No.14482123 File: 4 KB, 228x90, mysteriousmoon.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14481363

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 08:54:11 2015 No.14482134 3:0

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 08:57:33 2015 No.14482140

>>14482118
It's not about how long they take to decide, it's about forcing them to make the decision right then and there. Will they call and regret not going for a bigger closed hand? Will they not call and regret it when their hand doesn't develop? I just like disturbing the "wait and see" mindset.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 09:33:33 2015 No.14482218 File: 467 KB, 625x587, 1333685594234.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14482140 >they were in tenpai and wondering if they should win off that guy or aim for a direct hit on you

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 09:34:27 2015 No.14482219 Good game, I'm honestly suprised I got my honitsu to iishanten, especially with two Yakuhai, because I was forcing the fuck out of it, I started with 3 sou tiles and a 6~ mixmatched honor tiles.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 09:40:34 2015 No.14482228 3:0

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 09:45:56 2015 No.14482241

>>14482219
To quote myself on the first turn of the hand

>Yes, terminal dora tile. Now the best change he's got of catching up without a direct hit is hon itsu.

To quote myself on the second turn of the hand.

>Fuck, he's going for hon itsu.

I'm afraid of the shadow of a hand. I was playing like you were in tenpai since turn 7. I even passed up a winning tenpai 3 turns before the end out of fear.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 12:24:42 2015 No.14482623 >>14482218 What if he's right after the guy who dropped honor first?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:16:28 2015 No.14482708 >>14482623 then that's okay but if not >>14480177

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 13:26:58 2015 No.14482736 >>14482218 >>14482708 Well aside from furiten situation, I meant this is done in the first few turns, when everyone is discarding/calling on excess honors. If he has the leeway to choose who to ron on in first few turns, then I wouldn't even be mad.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 19:55:28 2015 No.14484256 File: 10 KB, 310x209, 7447.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14481363 I'm so sad tenhou deleted my acc due to inactivity.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 20:08:24 2015 No.14484321 What would happen if Akagi played mahjong against Atem?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 20:22:00 2015 No.14484380 >>14484321 Who?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 20:28:39 2015 No.14484409 >>14484380 Scary guy, long nose, killed himself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 20:48:43 2015 No.14484484 File: 26 KB, 824x618, atem.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14484380 >>14484409

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 20:54:20 2015 No.14484509 Overall, is it better to wait for a hand worth more points or take what you can get?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 20:56:10 2015 No.14484513 >>14484509 I generally just go for whatever I can, but then again I usually lose so I don't really know

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 20:58:39 2015 No.14484520 >>14484509 If you're the dealer, always prioritize winning the hand over building a hand that is worth more points. If you're behind and not the dealer, go big or go home.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 20:59:05 2015 No.14484521 >>14484509 Generally speaking, taking whatever you can get is better, since you're also denying other people a chance to win.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 21:54:29 2015 No.14484698 >>14484509 Depends on your starting hand.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 22:01:23 2015 No.14484716 >>14484509 depends on position and number of turns to the end

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 22:02:39 2015 No.14484720 >>14484509 Of course you should go for more. A real man wins with nothing less than a mangan.

Anonymous Sun Dec 13 22:12:06 2015 No.14484740

If I hadn't been so caught up in "manly bravado" about dealing the double dora during a riichi, and had realized that it's the exact same tile regardless of the value, how much would this hand have been worth? I'm asking because after a fierce battle, I came in second by 2500 points, and I want to know if I just blew my win by being over dramatic.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 22:13:27 2015 No.14484748 File: 421 KB, 736x624, Manlybutdumb.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14484740 And I forgot my picture.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 22:16:58 2015 No.14484760 >>14484740 Chun dora dora is 30 fu 3 han for 5800 as dealer, plus the riichi stick and honba for 7100 altogether.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 22:23:08 2015 No.14484778 >>14484760 So I completely and utterly blew it through theatrics. At least I had fun.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 22:31:28 2015 No.14484799 >>14484778 Actually I just noticed you could keep the other 5p and discard 8p instead. That'd be chun three dora, 30/4 for 11,600 plus riichi stick and honba. So yeah you blew it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 22:38:07 2015 No.14484837 >>14484799 And the 8 was a safe tile. It didn't even occur to me. This isn't just theatrics anymore, this is stupidity.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 23:34:31 2015 No.14485046 File: 22 KB, 600x630, photo_2015-12-12_04-58-46.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >go to open a concealed kan >accidentally discard one

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 23:43:34 2015 No.14485078 >>14478405 You make 4 melds (3 of a kind, 4 of a kind, or 3 in a row; all of these in the same suit) with a pair. In addition, you need at least 1 yaku, which you need to memorize. That's it. Memorize the yaku and you can play, it's not that hard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 23:44:20 2015 No.14485083 >>14485046 Fuck off back to facebook.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 23:45:15 2015 No.14485085 >>14479312 Maybe the best strategy is to play in a manner well suited to your hand?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 13 23:48:23 2015 No.14485100 >>14480181 Even when the other guy is clearly going for toi-toi? Don't think so.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 00:10:14 2015 No.14485177 >>14485083 I-I don't even have a facebook, you bully..

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 00:14:58 2015 No.14485193 Why does Washizu mahjong have more reasonable rules(aside from the transparent tiles) than normal mahjong?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 00:15:19 2015 No.14485194 >>14485046 >>14485177 Seriously, fuck off

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 00:16:23 2015 No.14485199 File: 63 KB, 633x758, 123507890.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14485194 NO!

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 00:16:51 2015 No.14485200 >>14485193 Like what?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 00:17:49 2015 No.14485203 >>14485193 >paying in blood is reasonable

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 00:18:34 2015 No.14485205 >>14485200 The lack of walls.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 00:20:55 2015 No.14485215 >>14485205 How are walls unreasonable?

Anonymous Mon Dec 14 00:25:54 2015 No.14485236

>>14485215
They make set up take longer, put arbitrary limits on kandora, you can get penalized for bumping them, and as anyone who has watched Akagi will know, they make it much easier to cheat.

Washizu mahjong seems more aimed at preventing cheating than anything else.

Anonymous Mon Dec 14 00:36:20 2015 No.14485281

>>14485215
The limit on kandora has a purpose though, to make sure that there are enough tiles to finish the game. If you had too many then you wouldn't have enough left over for full number of draws. Actually thats the main purpose of the wall to keep track of draws.

Cheating is not that easy as they make it look in Akagi and besides that isn't really relevant outside of gambling unless you your friends are assholes.

Anonymous Mon Dec 14 00:40:10 2015 No.14485293

>>14485236
>They make set up take longer
It doesn't take that much longer unless you're playing with people who are new to it.
>put arbitrary limits on kandora
Arbitrary limits? If you allow more kandora then you also need more uradora, which effectively results in a lengthening of the dead wall and therefore the shortening of the live wall. Washizu mahjong only allows 70 discards, which is the same as having a standard-sized dead wall.
>you can get penalized for bumping them
Only if you overturn a whole bunch of tiles, and you'd be pretty retarded to do that.
>as anyone who has watched Akagi will know, they make it much easier to cheat
Cheating isn't as easy as it looks. Stacking the wall is hard, and unless you can pull that off then switching tiles from the wall isn't that effective. Realistically speaking, nobody's even going to bother trying unless you're playing with some jerk friends.

Anonymous Mon Dec 14 01:48:31 2015 No.14485459
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>last hanchan
>everyone is barely a thousand point from one another
>going for toitoi 3xdora
>down to single tile
>Kamicha discards 2nd Haku
>draw the 3rd
>swap it in
>kamicha deals into my Haku tanki wait on his very next turn

>mfw
>would pay money to see his/her face when

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 01:55:35 2015 No.14485476 Is there a specific term for when you abandon a wait then draw the tile that would complete it on your next draw?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 02:03:04 2015 No.14485499 >>14485476 Suffering

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 02:06:05 2015 No.14485509 File: 161 KB, 910x1024, 1449041515194.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >decide the next tile to discard will be the seven >turn comes around >discard the seven >mfw it was the wrong seven

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 02:15:18 2015 No.14485543 File: 404 KB, 588x598, 1447617944923.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 1:0 Regular game queue not the stupid speed one

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 02:28:27 2015 No.14485581 >>14485543 >not being able to play with speed

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 02:31:16 2015 No.14485591 >>14485581 The regular setting is fast enough as it is, I wanna play mahjong not Sonic the hedgehog.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 02:33:45 2015 No.14485598 3:0

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 02:40:30 2015 No.14485616 >>14485598 2:0 ;_;

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 02:42:35 2015 No.14485621 >>14485616 Sorry, that was probably me as I just lost connection. Will be back shortly

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 02:56:23 2015 No.14485657 Should we just give up and do three player? I don't really know the differences though

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 03:01:27 2015 No.14485664 This is way too fast for me :_;

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 03:07:12 2015 No.14485676 >>14485664 Don't worry, I've been drinking. I'm assuming you're the person across from me, since I haven't seen you before.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 03:12:16 2015 No.14485688 Oh, I didn't even realise we were playing fast mode.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 03:13:12 2015 No.14485691 >fast mode I HATE IT

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 03:13:13 2015 No.14485692 Somehow I actually did better than I normally do on non-fast mode

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 03:31:28 2015 No.14485723 Fast vs Slow battle of wills.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 04:12:00 2015 No.14485783 Dear lord, sixth dan ranking was EARNED.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 08:34:44 2015 No.14486307 >tfw your Chiitoitsu Honitsu two Dora hand loses to pinfu right after you riichi I'm pretty upset

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 10:02:13 2015 No.14486515 File: 593 KB, 828x1200, tsumo.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 3 : 0 : 0

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 10:47:42 2015 No.14486615 fuck you too ;_;

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 11:07:28 2015 No.14486664 File: 159 KB, 453x304, 1446353706763.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 3:0 again

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 12:10:25 2015 No.14486840 >>14486307 >riichi with a hand that high

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 12:18:11 2015 No.14486856 >>14486840 >being a pussy It guarantees me Baiman and if I get an Ura Dora+tsumo I can get Sanbaiman

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 12:51:10 2015 No.14486934 >>14486840 if you are a man you riichi all your important hands

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 13:09:01 2015 No.14486985 >>14486934 ...even if it's a yakuman

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 13:27:51 2015 No.14487039 >>14486985 dojima docet

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 14:15:43 2015 No.14487152 >get matched with three x-dan ranked players 4 times in a row >rating goes down more than 100 points I'm quitting mahjong forever.

Anonymous Mon Dec 14 15:11:52 2015 No.14487329
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>>14486856
Yeah, but if I have a haneman anyway I would always prioritize to win the hand over increasing the value even further, except if you really badly need the additional points.

Just got my greatest upset ever, pic related.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 15:36:53 2015 No.14487421 >>14487329 I would rush the hand even if it was just a mangan. The reason why it's not worth it below mangan is because somebody can win five sub-mangan hands in a row then lose all the points at once against a single hand.

Anonymous Mon Dec 14 15:48:30 2015 No.14487470

>>14487421
Yes, most of the time I agree. Mangan is kind of the threshold, in my oponion, though.
It's not THAT high that I would priorize getting it over everything. If I can get a tenpai for a mangan hand with 5 han early in the round I would call riichi. With an early riichi your chance of winning by tsumo are pretty good plus you decrease the chance of your opponents winning, since they will likely defend. This together with the guaranteed increase to haneman seems worth the call to me. Of course the point situation must also be taken into account. I'm talking about a situation early in the game with everybody having a similiar amount here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 16:26:52 2015 No.14487627 File: 307 KB, 540x960, Screenshot_2015-12-14-16-24-37.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14478162 I fucking did it, finally >inb4 playing against AI

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 19:49:14 2015 No.14488345 How do I stop dealing in? I already know about suji but is there any other way to defend besides putting down tiles that the person in tenpai and other people discarded?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 19:50:55 2015 No.14488355 >>14488345 Win before they do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 19:52:55 2015 No.14488364 >>14488345 The tiles other people have played in the same rotation are also safe tiles. Also, the japanese people betaori almost every time somebody calls riichi.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 19:54:16 2015 No.14488370 >>14488364 As expected from a nation of betas.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 19:58:19 2015 No.14488388 >>14488345 >>14488345 http://osamuko.com/basic-defense-techniques-in-mahjong/

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 20:53:48 2015 No.14488526 >>14488364 >Also, the japanese people betaori almost every time somebody calls riichi. Not in high level tenhou.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 21:16:10 2015 No.14488593 6 people in the lobby yet no one is playing

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 21:45:52 2015 No.14488682 >>14488593 I do wish it were a bit more active.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 21:48:45 2015 No.14488690 >>14488593 I've been playing in 0000 lately to get my rank up. Not making much progress.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 22:44:46 2015 No.14488852 >>14488593 It is frustrating that people join the lobby and then don't queue for anything

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 22:53:43 2015 No.14488875 File: 110 KB, 1440x807, saki2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] That feeling when you witness 嶺上開花 for the first time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 23:23:55 2015 No.14488958 I used to believe and heavily defend that mahjong is not about luck but now I'm not really sure.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 23:24:52 2015 No.14488962 >>14488958 Who hurt you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 23:25:32 2015 No.14488965 >>14488875 but rinshan kaihou isn't really that uncommon, now daisangen or daisuushii, that's the real deal >>14488958 mahjong is about lesbian loli powers, I thought that was obvious

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 23:29:18 2015 No.14488981 >>14488958 There is certainly a lot of luck involved, however there is also an element of skill

Anonymous Mon Dec 14 23:32:08 2015 No.14488992

>>14488962
Been playing in the ranked lobbies in 0000 for some time now and in the game that I was playing I was doing pretty well holding myself in 2nd place when suddenly my luck changed and I got fucked consecutively till the last round.

>inb4 git gud faget
I'm in 2nd dan stuck at around 400/800.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 23:34:09 2015 No.14488998 >>14488992 Did you deal in? It's 100% your fault if you dealt in.

Anonymous Mon Dec 14 23:38:55 2015 No.14489014

>>14488998
I was in tenpai with a few tiles left and all my tiles were equally dangerous. Opponent was obviously waiting for a sou when all of my draws came out as sous. Can't do jack shit at all about that. The other one was when I riichi'd with a tanpin iipeikou and the last ron'd me. I wouldn't blame it all on luck but it had a fair share on my loss.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 23:48:31 2015 No.14489046 >>14489014 Replay? I don't quite believe there's nothing you could have done.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 14 23:50:02 2015 No.14489052 >>14489046 After my game. It's likely that I've missed something since I was tilting hard in the end. Back to back losses now. 2nd one is my fault for dealing a dora.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 00:32:10 2015 No.14489198 Polite sage for being off topic, but why does mahjong have these threads but shogi doesn't? I'd love to play it with some /jp/ bros

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 00:35:51 2015 No.14489210

>>14489198
Randomness in games limit the kind of strategies people consider "tedious". That is, in a deterministic turn based game, the advantage is about raw analysis of possible moves. Probability and shifting conditions are something the mind handles more naturally.

Also, mahjong is 4 players so there is less pressure on new players. They can quietly sit on the defensive and nobody will mind.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 00:38:04 2015 No.14489221 >>14489046 http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2015121512gm-0089-0000-17910a68&tw=0 I'm not sure but I think it was this one. Ignore the South4 round since I was already tilted that time. I'm ready to accept all the criticism if it'll help me improve.

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 00:40:51 2015 No.14489227

>>14489198
Shogi is just not very popular in the West, I don't really know much about it but from what I understand it's a more complicated game.

Another thing is it doesn't really have any popular anime/manga (like Akagi or Saki) to serve as a gateway and get people interested.

By the way do you know of a site where you can play Shogi together online?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 00:43:53 2015 No.14489238 >>14489227 Sangatsu no Lion is alright.

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 00:43:58 2015 No.14489239

>>14489227
I found a site called 81dojo, but you have to sign up and I don't think it has a room system.

Shogi is basically a more in-depth chess. It introduces three new types of piece, the Lance, the Silver General, and the Gold General, as well as the fact that promoting your pieces gives them specific movement patterns instead of just choosing a piece that you want.

It's really interesting, and looks like it could be pretty fun. If you want to learn, here's a good place to do it: http://ancientchess.com/page/play-shogi.htm

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 01:05:07 2015 No.14489316 >>14489239 I quite like chess so I might give shogi a go once I've become half decent at mahjong

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 01:08:18 2015 No.14489322

>>14489221
>I'm ready to accept all the criticism if it'll help me improve.
Fine then.

On East 2 you broke up your tenpai for seemingly no reason. Did you have bad feeling about the 7 man or something?

On East 3 you dropped your wind tile on the first draw, then when you got a second one, you kept it. I can't even imagine the reason. It looked like you considered chitsu or something, then changed your mind. You ended in tenpai, but with a clear goal, you would have easily won that hand.

On the first South 3 you were clearly going for a hon itsu, yet you threw out a tile that could be useful for a tile that wasn't of that suit. I don't get why.

On the second South 3, if you thought the 9 pin was a safer tile, you could have kan'd it and gotten another tile. This is just my personal opinion, but if I have a lot of a tile, that means that other people don't have that tile. If that's the case, I see it as it's more likely they need that tile, so I wouldn't have thrown out the 2 sou there, even if it would buy two more safe turns. Especially since all of the 1 sous were out. But that part is just my point of view on the subject.

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 01:12:13 2015 No.14489332

>>14489322
Oh, 1 more thing. When going for Toi Toi, generally you should make your pairs the most likely tiles to be thrown out such as terminals, or worthless honors. When you called on the 9 sous, I think you should have thrown away a 5 man. It would have led to you getting the 1 sou right after. This might have led to a victory, or maybe not. Who knows?

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 01:13:59 2015 No.14489340

>>14489221
E1:
8s discard was bad. Should've discarded chun and ton first.
E2:
Why discard 3s? 6s was safe and the 2s shanpon was dead. And then why discard the 2s pair so you could keep 556p? You're going back shanten. Then when you drew the third 5p, 7s was a bad choice. Even if you wanted to break up the furiten 58s ryanmen, you should've started with 6s. That way, you keep the 47s ukeire. And then you chi 7p for the kataagari 14m ryanmen? If you were going to do that then you should've just chi'd the 4s earlier.
E3:
Should discard 8p before 9s. 4m was bad, you lose 36m ukeire and only gain 7s ukeire which would leave you with a weak shanpon. You got the 5s but then why discard the 58s ryanmen instead of the penchan? You lose dora but you gain tanyao pinfu. 3m was dangerous against kamicha's sanshoku.
E3-1:
Why discard 2p over 4s? Why discard 2m?
E4:
Yeah mahjong certainly is all about luck, huh?
S1:
Why break up the 7p kanchan to keep 1s? Why hold onto the xia? Xia was safe enough to justify keeping iishanten for 5800.
S2:
2p was a big backfire. Should've discarded chun first.
S3:
2m? You don't need to force honitsu. First place is too far ahead. Just focus on securing second with the fastest hands you can get.
S3-1:
4p? No way. Stop holding onto the dora when you don't need to. 6m? Buddy you don't need toitoi at all. 1s? That was the best toitsu you had. 5m is much harder to pon. You absolutely deserved to lose this round.
S3-2:
1s was bad. Toitsu/penchan vs toitsu/kanchan, break up the penchan first. Alternatively discard 8m, but that'd leave you with a poor shape later on. Why damaten? Should riichi immediately here. If it weren't for that one turn delay, toimen might not have discarded 3p, and if not for that he might not have pon'd the 2s.
S4:
9p pon? Toitoi nomi isn't enough to make a comeback, even with a direct hit on anyone. You should've stayed closed here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 02:16:27 2015 No.14489513 What's the difference between tenhou.net/0/ and tenhou.net/0/?L0000?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 04:07:50 2015 No.14489789 >>14489239 Fuck man I can even barely play chess but I'll give it a try. Also surprised there's an English site for it.

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 04:19:58 2015 No.14489815

>>14489239
To me shogi's most interesting deviation from normal chess has always been the way captured pieces remain a constant threat. Every pawn taken from you could end up being the piece that turns the game in the opponent's favor.

I started with gamedesign's shogi, thinking it might be good given how their mahjong is one of the best out there for AI games. It was pretty terrible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 04:35:40 2015 No.14489845 How the fuck can I tell when someone is in tenpai? Do I just assume by the end of the round mostly everyone is in tenpai already? I never know when to defend or what to defend against if no one calls riichi.

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 04:41:59 2015 No.14489858

>>14489845
The first discards somebody makes indicate what they aren't going for. Going off that, somebody is closer to tenpai when they stop discarding tiles that match their first discards.

Of course, that's a trick I saw in Akagi so it may be totally worthless.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 06:12:35 2015 No.14490076 http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2015121519gm-0029-0000-b5809946&tw=3 This was a really tough match.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 06:43:48 2015 No.14490141 File: 49 KB, 640x343, Nintendo set.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why do you not own this set?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 07:27:44 2015 No.14490253 File: 92 KB, 783x511, Dammit.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14489815 >gamedesign shogi Yea, that AI is an asshole; and I suck.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 08:02:29 2015 No.14490349 File: 87 KB, 1674x854, 1440120002907.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14490253 >that face What the heck man

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 08:46:26 2015 No.14490433

>>14489322
>>14489332
>>14489340
Exactly what I needed. Thanks for taking your time on those. Kinda felt like my game is on a dead end recently since I've lost my grasp on proper discarding of tiles and when to go and not to go. I have the tendency to go instantly to betaori whenever someone riichis and I feel like I'm holding back myself a lot when I'm in tenpai or when I keep useless dora tiles.

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 08:53:19 2015 No.14490451

>>14490433
Oh and another question. How do you deal with live honor tiles/unneeded doras mid game? I know it could just be a simple 'just discard it' but I don't suppose that's really the best option. Also I really am aware of my poor intuition on reading waits.

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 09:09:11 2015 No.14490487

>>14490433
>I have the tendency to go instantly to betaori whenever someone riichis and I feel like I'm holding back myself a lot when I'm in tenpai
If you're in tenpai yourself or even isshanten, you don't necessarily need to go full betaori. It depends on your chances of completing your hand and it's possible value as well as the point situation. If your hand value is low and/or your wait is shitty and has only 4 or so outs you should usually defend. If you're in tenpai with a ryanmen wait or better and a high value hand just continue to attack. If it's somewhere in between try a controlled offense. Discard tiles that are remotely safe (e.g. suji, yakuhai with 1 or more out) but still keep your chances to complete your hand. Also the points you have are really important. If your first place late in the game you should obviously play more defensively than if you're last place. The position of the dealer is aso important. Imagine the following situation: It is S4 round, you are in last place, 400 points behind 3rd place. 3rd place is dealer and another player has called riichi, your hand is in tenpai but the wait is bad. The correct choice here is to go into defense. If the riichi player wins by tsumo or from the 3rd place you likely get into 3rd place, since the dealer pays double. This has a higher chance of happening than you winning against the other riichi with your crappy wait. If 3rd place would not be dealer however, you should attack.

>>14490451
>How do you deal with live honor tiles/unneeded doras mid game?
Just diacrd them. That's really the best option most of the time. Isolated honour tiles should be discarded early. Personally I favor the following discard order most of the time: Isolated unrelated winds -> isolated terminals -> isolated 8s -> isolated yaku tiles -> either isolated 3-7s or breaking apart bad taatsu like 1-2, depending on the situation.
Keeping a dora a bit longer is ok, but don't break apart a good taatsu like 3-5 just to keep your dora 8.
At the end of the day this depends on how close your hand is to tenpai. If you are in 2-shanten or better always discard isolated tiles that don't help, no matter if Dora or not.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 09:12:00 2015 No.14490492 >>14489198 Make a shogi thread, no one is stoping you

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 09:13:37 2015 No.14490497 >>14489316 So never

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 09:15:45 2015 No.14490500 >>14489340 osamuko get out

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 09:16:38 2015 No.14490503

>>14490451
It's a situational thing really. Most of the time I discard them, but if it's something like mid/late mid, someone has an open hand, looks like they're in tenpai, and my hand isn't mangan or above, I fold. I fold like a wet noodle probably more often than I should, but it feels worth it when you take second because you avoided dealing in to a toi toi + honors out of paranoia. Open hands in general make me cautious.
If first is 20k points ahead, and I don't have a dealer turn to go, I give up on first and aim for second. Positive points are more important than aiming for first.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 09:19:29 2015 No.14490511 >>14489513 I wanted to ask the same thing. Thanks for saving me the embarrassment

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 09:20:46 2015 No.14490516 >>14490141 I don't have money nor friends

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 09:22:11 2015 No.14490517 >>14490516 Same but I still want to buy a nice mahjong set to play with by myself. Touching the tiles will soothe my autism

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 09:22:51 2015 No.14490520 >>14490141 What are those colorful wheels?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 09:39:47 2015 No.14490555 File: 1.25 MB, 1600x900, saki-achiga-kuro-sad.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14490141 I got a set and use it while playing on Tenhou. No one plays riichi where I live.

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 09:54:13 2015 No.14490590
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I was reading Ten, and how is this possible?
You can't get a mentanpin off someone else's discard, that's a Ron.

I mean, the score is exactly the same, but then you wouldn't really call it mentanpin, would you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 09:57:16 2015 No.14490596 >>14490590 It might jut be a mistake. I'm actually reading it right now too and I notices a couple like calling a Manzu tile a Sou and general typos

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 10:00:42 2015 No.14490604

>>14490500
This nigga makes me want to post more of my failures since it helped me a lot.

>>14490487
How often should I call riichi on a ryanmen wait when I'm on 2nd/3rd place and the 4th is not ways behind? Or in general, should I just call riichi whenever I get a ryanmen wait?

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 10:32:48 2015 No.14490696

>>14490604
If it's not the last round and there is no extraordinary situation, like someone having a huge hand (e.g. you see him having a dora kan or something like that) calling riichi with ryanmenm is usually a good idea (of course you also need to look at how many tiles are still alive. If 6 out of your 8 tiles are already out, the ryanmen wait is pointless).
There are some exceptions, though. Don't call riichi within the last 5 or so go arounds. The chance of winning becomes too small otherwise.
Don't call riichi if your hand is worth 8k points or more even without riichi. At this point you should just aim to finish the hand as quickly as possible.

In the last round things are different because the point situation becomes especially important. Consider if the additional points if the riichi could help you get to a higher place, and also if the 1k payment from riichi could make you lose a place in case you don't win. If you lead in the last round, don't call riichi if you have any other yaku.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 11:01:40 2015 No.14490775 >>14490590 What chapter is that?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 11:03:24 2015 No.14490779 >>14490775 It's between 57 and 61, can't remember In that bracket there's at least four more instances of a Ron-won hand being called metanpin

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 11:05:49 2015 No.14490782 >>14490775 >>14490779 It's 57 exactly

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 11:15:27 2015 No.14490802
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>>14490590
>>14490596
The men in mentanpin simply means closed. You can win either through drawing your winning tile or winning off a discard after calling riichi and still have it count as mentanpin. They obviously mistranslated though; it should be riichi, not menzen tsumo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 11:22:16 2015 No.14490817 3:0

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 11:33:37 2015 No.14490850 Fucking hell pon

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 11:34:48 2015 No.14490853 Should've thrown a safe tile man. He already called 3 dora and was obviously in tenpai. Not risking that shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 11:39:36 2015 No.14490864 I should have just riichi'd. I never bother getting a better wait anyway. I shouldn't have started then.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 11:43:49 2015 No.14490871 Dammit I wanted a rematch.

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 12:02:43 2015 No.14490896

>>14490253
I made it to Level 8 eventually. By that point the bot is just playing completely perfectly, using well-tested tactics you could find online almost move for move. Instead of making you progress from making the bot not even have all the pieces to impossible level, they should have just kept the bot at average (or let you go back to different levels).

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 12:13:19 2015 No.14490923 File: 230 B, 31x19, awa.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Bullies!

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 12:41:48 2015 No.14491014 >change wait >draw winning tile

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 12:44:59 2015 No.14491021 Just fuck my shit up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 12:57:09 2015 No.14491049 >>14491014 >THE FLOOOOOOOW

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 15:04:38 2015 No.14491381 File: 800 KB, 1280x720, [UTW]_Shinsekai_Yori_-_12_[h264-720p][EB35676B]_0004.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I’ll be in a couple of minutes, DON’T START WITHOUT ME.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 15:07:35 2015 No.14491394 >>14491381 >2:0 Don't worry

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 15:10:44 2015 No.14491402 File: 664 KB, 1280x720, [UTW]_Shinsekai_Yori_-_13_[h264-720p][878BE995]_0087.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Got in time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 15:13:34 2015 No.14491407 File: 137 KB, 761x863, Maho_man2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why aren't you playing real life mahjong?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 15:18:09 2015 No.14491420 >>14491407 No one to play with, especially not riichi

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 15:22:42 2015 No.14491434 >>14491407 My mom loves the game, but there's nobody else we know willing to give the game enough time to possibly like it. Sometimes we play Minefield Mahjong, since it's two-player and quick to set up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 15:43:14 2015 No.14491504 File: 502 KB, 973x1400, img000020.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I knew it was coming but I played the Hatsu anyway

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 21:10:10 2015 No.14492501 File: 70 KB, 768x842, IMG_20151215_210945.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 21:11:13 2015 No.14492505 >>14492501 any yakuman hands there?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 21:15:04 2015 No.14492514 >>14492505 No I just got a lot of Honitsu hands and they couldn't get out of dealer during South.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 21:24:09 2015 No.14492536 >>14492514 Still pretty impressive, good job anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 21:24:36 2015 No.14492537 File: 181 KB, 718x228, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Beginner question here. Why isn't this a tsumo? It looks to me like it should. Same thing with similar situations that seem like they should be rons.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 21:25:45 2015 No.14492543 >>14492537 Your hand doesn't have any yaku.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 21:25:52 2015 No.14492544 >>14492537 learn about yaku man

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 21:26:31 2015 No.14492546 >>14492537 See: >>14480849

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 21:26:40 2015 No.14492547 >>14492537 Refer to the chart >>14480859

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 21:30:36 2015 No.14492563 >>14492537 Forgot to answer the first part, it's not a tsumo because you only get the tsumo yaku if your hand is closed (no calls).

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 21:35:10 2015 No.14492576 >>14480849 We should really make this the OP pic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 21:36:14 2015 No.14492578 >>14492576 If I end up making it like the last few times I will use it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 21:37:25 2015 No.14492581 I'm watching Saki now. When does tanoshii happen?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 21:51:15 2015 No.14492617 File: 8 KB, 500x180, 1397492751904.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >be losing >close the window

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 21:54:13 2015 No.14492627 >>14492617 I do that because when I'm on tilt, the autopilot has more chance of not dealing into a hand.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 22:01:12 2015 No.14492652 >>14492581 since end of first episode, then somewhere around episode 18 and continues in second half of achiga (past episode 9) and all Zenkoku

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 22:27:07 2015 No.14492743 >the basic rules are not enough to win in Yakuza Mahjong Just fuck my shit up. Who thought it was a good idea to put Mahjong into the game as a minigame? Back to the pastebin I go.

Anonymous Tue Dec 15 22:47:47 2015 No.14492808

Question: it's a common strategy to get into tenpai even with no yaku to get noten payments, but is it legal to wait on an impossible tile?

Suppose you have your hand looks like this:
999sou 456 man 234man 7777pin
The shanpon "wait" is for a 7pin that doesn't exist, but the formation of tiles are otherwise correct.

Thoughts?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 22:56:08 2015 No.14492834 >>14492808 I don't think that should work but then again there is no rule against it so maybe

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 22:56:43 2015 No.14492837 File: 34 KB, 249x251, 1357205485447 (2).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14490511 And yet, still no answer

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 23:00:44 2015 No.14492851 >>14492837 There is no difference they both link to the same lobby.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 23:15:07 2015 No.14492901 >>14492501 100+ master race

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 23:32:47 2015 No.14492937 File: 1.49 MB, 1440x900, Luckyrabbit.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Remember to say "Rabbit Rabbit" on the first of each month, /jp/! Tewi will grant you good starting hands and you'll at least 2 ura dora every time you riichi!

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 15 23:46:28 2015 No.14492978 What is the lowest rank you've ever been? I'm at r1150 right now and I am getting ready to shoot myself, i am the worst player here

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 00:04:59 2015 No.14493029 >>14492652 Does that mean Saki never actually goes yandere?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 00:05:13 2015 No.14493030 >>14492978 Somewhere around R1400 probably. Never got really low since I had a defensive playstyle right from the start.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 00:13:22 2015 No.14493044 File: 214 KB, 640x480, iWJdK.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14492837 Figuring shit out is an important skill in mahjong.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 00:59:03 2015 No.14493163 2:0

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 01:01:32 2015 No.14493168 3:0

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 01:01:52 2015 No.14493170 3:0. Come battle!

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 01:03:15 2015 No.14493173 File: 7 KB, 282x136, Final.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Replace Achiga with a team from 7447's. Who would you put against the other three schools?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 01:06:58 2015 No.14493182 >>14493170 Don't fret, I'm here!

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 01:09:44 2015 No.14493191 >Get dora tiles midgame >Follow advice and throw it to keep hand in check >Get called for chiitoitsu twice I'm not blaming anyone but I do feel bad about it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 01:37:27 2015 No.14493265 Fuck this game to be desu.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 01:39:29 2015 No.14493269 Fucking connection issues. How am I supposed to do well when I disconnect once every few games making me lose a couple of rounds and it takes me around 10 refreshes to actually load the lobby?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 02:21:15 2015 No.14493391 >>14492808 >shanpon You mean tanki? And yes it's perfectly fine.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 04:31:49 2015 No.14493677 >>14492808 >Question: it's a common strategy to get into tenpai even with no yaku to get noten payments Yes, it's a good idea to do that. However, like always, just gotta be careful about playing into hands. You see Houou players do it quite a bit.

Anonymous Wed Dec 16 05:08:16 2015 No.14493737

Holy shit, I just spectated an 7/8 dan match. How the fuck can someone not only detect and open itsu with only the 456 called on, but be so sure as to break up their beautiful 7th turn chinitsu tenpai? Half a turn later the guy in last called riichi and got double ronned from throwing out the same tile that guy kept. I couldn't believe my eyes. How do they do it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 05:11:53 2015 No.14493748 >>14493737 Without having a background about the said game, , intuition I guess. You get it from playing a lot.

Anonymous Wed Dec 16 05:20:15 2015 No.14493767

>>14493737
>open itsu with only the 456 called on
Ittsu is one of the possibilities to consider from any open 456.

>be so sure as to break up their beautiful 7th turn chinitsu tenpai
And that tenpai means shit,if the extra tile to be discarded happens to be a dangerous one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 05:27:03 2015 No.14493780 >>14493737 How do you spectate (high level) games?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 05:30:00 2015 No.14493787 File: 33 KB, 551x383, Spectate.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14493780 Go to L0. Then select the 4th tab; and you'll see a bunch of 'em.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 05:30:20 2015 No.14493791 >>14493787 Thanks

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 05:40:09 2015 No.14493810 Anyone up for a game this morning? >1:0

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 06:04:37 2015 No.14493856 >>14493810 Sure, although it certainly isn't morning for me >3:0

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 06:18:30 2015 No.14493882 The tenhou client isn't letting me play anymore without paying, I thought it was supposed to be free?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 06:21:16 2015 No.14493892 File: 986 KB, 1033x725, No Chuuren.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Chuuren so hard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 06:30:10 2015 No.14493907 File: 19 KB, 282x187, temp.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] fuck this

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 06:31:50 2015 No.14493909 File: 8 KB, 197x256, Koizumi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14493907 Well, your sun isn't rising today.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 06:36:46 2015 No.14493916 File: 83 KB, 1280x720, Ume shaming.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14493907 >throw away kokushi >get ron'd anyways

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 06:44:18 2015 No.14493932 What a good time to not throw that last 1 pin I had.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 06:57:34 2015 No.14493957 File: 497 KB, 736x628, Ron! Setting Sun!.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14493907 This fucking guy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 07:00:22 2015 No.14493965 >>14493957 Fucking 6 Sou cockblocking my Chanta

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 07:03:05 2015 No.14493976 >>14493965 That's Jun-chan.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 07:03:16 2015 No.14493977 >>14493907 Well that leads to a nagashi mangan although I don't know if Tenhou has it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 07:04:45 2015 No.14493981 >>14493977 Look closer. His only terminal left is the 9 sou, which his opponent is waiting on.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 07:06:16 2015 No.14493988 >>14493981 Oh I didn't notice that picture.

Anonymous Wed Dec 16 07:07:12 2015 No.14493991

>>14493391
It isn't a tanki wait since you're waiting on a 7 to complete the 777 sequence, and have the other 77 be your pair. Obviously impossible since that would require a fifth 7pin, but can you use this setup if you don't want to kan? Imagine that 3 other kans have been declared already and you don't want to cause an abortive draw

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 07:07:13 2015 No.14493992 >>14493976 Oh you're right. San Souka as well

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 07:16:40 2015 No.14494014 File: 620 KB, 1024x1536, temp.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14493977 nagashi is impossible anyway

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 07:25:09 2015 No.14494038 >>14494014 I've gotten it a few times against bots but that doesn't count.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 07:53:42 2015 No.14494103 Get in here faggots

Anonymous Wed Dec 16 08:04:02 2015 No.14494136

>>14494014
I've seen nagashi exactly once and it was in the 7447 lobby.

>>14493991
Ah, I see you can interpret it as both. You could also say the 777 set is complete and you wait on the 5th 7 for a 7 tanki wait, it's the same thing, so it's basically a combined tanki shanpon wait with 0 outs.
And yes, you can use this and it will count as tenpai in the no-ten payements.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 08:21:23 2015 No.14494179 Can't do it. Falling asleep. Sorry you two.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 08:23:48 2015 No.14494183 >>14494136 Oh wait, no it doesn't. You can wait on a 5th tile, but not if all 4 of the tiles you need are already in your hand. http://arcturus.su/wiki/Tenhou_rules

Anonymous Wed Dec 16 08:27:58 2015 No.14494190

>>14494183
It seems like an excessively rare situation anyway. Ypu would need to havr 3 completed sets and those 4 tiles,have 3 Kans already called and have the tile your holding 4 of be risky. Otherwise you can just Man or discard and get a different single wait

Anonymous Wed Dec 16 08:37:11 2015 No.14494210
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I can't enjoy Fukumoto's mahjong manga after actually learning the rules.
It's just so absurd,t he kind of predictions the characters are able to make from discards that wouldn't have any special meaning at the very start of a hand, or the very concept of 'hunting down a player'.

In the vast majority of games your hand will maybe get into a cheap tenpai, there is no way you could 'hunt' someone day unless you had a miracle hand that allowed you to pick and choose what to wait on. And even then, not only you'd have to pick the wait, you'd have to do so based on your 100% accurate prediction of what the other person is going to be discarding, before that person is even in tenpai.

Akagi is at least entertaining because it's basically dragonball with mahjong tiles and drawnout similes, but series like Ten that actually try to pretend there is some deep and complicated strategy in play are just annoying.

It's only worth reading because of Akagi being a filthy cheater and Hiroyuki learning from him, but the actual mahjong part of it is the worst.

Anonymous Wed Dec 16 09:08:35 2015 No.14494270
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>>14494210
I liked all the different variants of mahjong he used actually and even though some of the logical breakdown parts are absurd they usually either make sense or FKMT straight up admits it's bullshit by using words like intuition or flow.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 09:11:01 2015 No.14494272 >>14494210 You can't enjoy Akagi without knowing Mahjong either though.

Anonymous Wed Dec 16 09:14:03 2015 No.14494280
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>>14494270
>FKMT straight up admits it's bullshit by using words like intuition or flow.

That only annoys me even more. There's no such thing as 'flow', the only reason why that term exists in every gambling game is because people on a winning streak tend to play more recklessly because they feel invincible, thus making risky wins more likely.

But then they inevitably lose like statistics dictate, and they say 'the flow changed'.

A good player wins an even spread of 40 games over 100, he doesn't a win a single series of 10 games then loses the remaining 90.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 09:18:43 2015 No.14494289 >>14494280 It is somewhat true in the sense that a player who constantly loses will likely get demotivated and 'tune out' of the game, being more likely to make small mistakes which lead to them losing more.

Anonymous Wed Dec 16 09:27:04 2015 No.14494308
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>>14494272
Yes you can, I did it.
>>14494280
I don't know what to tell you other than it's not supposed to be realistic. It's much more entertaining this way in my opinion, if I want to experience realistic mahjong I can just play it.

I mean these series are not supposed to teach you mahjong they're supposed to entertain you.

Anonymous Wed Dec 16 09:35:27 2015 No.14494333

>>14494308
I'm not disagreeing on that.
Series like Saki and Akagi are fun because they're complete bullshit and they know it, they have powers, they have people who can 'draw' certain tiles closer to themselves or cause upsets with their 'special skill'.
Even when Akagi goes full flow, it's still fun because you see him cheat, and his amazing play isn't chalked up to 'amazing luck', but to him being a scumbag.

But Ten goes on in explainations about how everything is logical, how the strategies totally make sense and are the mark of a genius of mahjong. That's just offputting.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 09:42:55 2015 No.14494349 >>14494308 >Yes you can, I did it. No you can't. But that's more because Akagi can't lose and you know it.

Anonymous Wed Dec 16 09:48:17 2015 No.14494362
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>>14494333
I guess it's worse in that regard than his other works but the best parts of Ten weren't even when they were playing mahjong.

It didn't really bother me that much, even though they kept touting Akagi as a genius I felt that was just kind of how other people viewed him and Ten fucked up more than anyone else while playing.

Akagi also didn't cheat all that much honestly, I don't think he cheated during Washizu at all.
>>14494349
Are you calling me a liar?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 09:52:40 2015 No.14494368 >>14494362 Maybe you still had the delusion that Akagi can lose. After the first half it should be obvious that Akagi is invincible.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 09:55:41 2015 No.14494385 >>14494368 Maybe he'll lose to Washizu.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 10:01:47 2015 No.14494409 >>14494385 At best it will look like he lost for a chapter but he will win anyway.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 10:07:05 2015 No.14494428 >>14494349 I admit I wanted to see Akagi lose at least once.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 11:14:28 2015 No.14494651 File: 123 KB, 640x452, Live action Akagi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14494385 > lose to Washizu. I don't think, that you were paying attention.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 12:48:30 2015 No.14494782 >>14494385 How can he lose to Washizu if he's alive in Ten?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 12:52:04 2015 No.14494795 >>14494782 Maybe he lost but then washizu had a heart attack and akagi fled in the confusion

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 13:05:18 2015 No.14494822 >>14494795 That seems extremely out of character for Akagi.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 14:00:06 2015 No.14494999 1:0

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 14:05:25 2015 No.14495012 >>14494999 >NoName

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 14:09:46 2015 No.14495022 >>14495012 I don't play ranked, so there's no point in having a name.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 14:11:28 2015 No.14495030 >>14495022 Not playing ranked.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 14:12:51 2015 No.14495038 >>14495030 >forgetting your pointer

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 14:15:44 2015 No.14495047 >>14495022 Scoring a yakuman as a NoName is a disgrace to all yakumans. Keep that in mind.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 14:18:02 2015 No.14495054 >>14495038 Who ye quote?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 14:32:55 2015 No.14495105 File: 813 KB, 1280x720, shot1_Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index_Ep18_Replica_[720p,BluRay,x264]_-_THORA.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14493957 Fukoda~

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 14:52:42 2015 No.14495169 You all talked shit about no names.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 15:32:31 2015 No.14495296 http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2015121618gm-00a9-0000-78c99e91 D-chan please

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 16:58:02 2015 No.14495753 File: 890 KB, 300x218, 1442472323992.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Got to R1600. What did you losers do? Call pon in 7447?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 16:59:10 2015 No.14495761 >>14495753 I just fluctuate around 1500 because I suck.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 17:02:34 2015 No.14495783 >>14495761 What's your 放銃率?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 17:06:50 2015 No.14495811 >>14495012 All the cool names are taken.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 17:25:05 2015 No.14495880 Best mahjong manga is Tetsunaki No Kirinji

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 18:01:31 2015 No.14496000 >>14494795 But dying means losing in Washizu mahjong.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 18:07:15 2015 No.14496019 >>14496000 Did you mean losing means dying?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 18:10:47 2015 No.14496034 >>14496019 Did he stutter, faggot?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 18:12:03 2015 No.14496046 >>14496034 Then he was just a retard the same as you, piece of shit

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 18:14:55 2015 No.14496064 >>14496019 No. You don't lose until you die; if you are alive, then you haven't lost yet.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 18:16:45 2015 No.14496074 >>14496046 Are you okay?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 18:18:14 2015 No.14496080 >>14496064 Well, losing as in "DIRECT HIT WITH A YAKUMAN, AKAGI! I WON NOW TAKE THE 10GORILLION LITERS OF BLOOD FROM HIM AHAHAHAHA!" and then he dies of a heart attack and akagi flees.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 18:20:33 2015 No.14496091 >>14496080 That's losing as a result of dying. If he had infinite blood, he couldn't lose.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 18:21:42 2015 No.14496097 >>14496091 But he doesn't have infinite blood

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 18:23:48 2015 No.14496113 >>14496097 But what if?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 18:51:20 2015 No.14496227 >>14495753 I created a new account, because after 400 games increasing ELO takes far too much games.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 19:05:59 2015 No.14496284 Why does Kugimiya Rie's voice in Saki sound so much like Aoi Yuuki?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 19:34:12 2015 No.14496374 File: 94 KB, 288x268, 1447872183372.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14494795

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 19:45:32 2015 No.14496410 >>14496080 they will kill akagi if that happens

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 19:56:04 2015 No.14496452 File: 28 KB, 211x153, rip.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] That was fun

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 19:59:43 2015 No.14496461 >>14496113 How do you get infinite blood

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 20:18:42 2015 No.14496517 Rigged

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 16 21:27:04 2015 No.14496746 >>14495753 good job winning 3 games or whatever I guess

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 00:50:04 2015 No.14497508 File: 156 KB, 1280x720, 1336160036737.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw, discarded houtei dora while in riichi and get killed by oikake oya baiman

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 00:55:36 2015 No.14497525 >>14479567 Good job. You won your first ranked game.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 00:57:11 2015 No.14497529 >>14497525 >replying to a 4 day old post Good job

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 00:57:20 2015 No.14497530 >>14480240 It's late. You don't have shit for tenpai. So yea, just trash the hand.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 00:57:54 2015 No.14497533 >>14479567 >you all said I sucked It was a term of endearment.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 01:00:54 2015 No.14497539 File: 49 KB, 480x640, 1sUhMl.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 01:17:25 2015 No.14497571 File: 36 KB, 313x313, hmph.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14497539 The thread is not even Toki yet! Or I forgot when do they reach bump limit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 17 01:33:38 2015 No.14497618 File: 186 KB, 918x1101, IMG_20151009_101625.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14497571 About 100 posts ago man. We're page 10 with no chance of recovery.

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