Morning, it's time for mahjong.

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Anonymous Sun Nov 29 14:45:55 2015 No.14420539 [Reply] [Original]

Morning, it's time for mahjong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 14:46:46 2015 No.14420546 arcturus.su – The Wiki tenhou.net/0/?L7447 – 0:0 http://museum.takeshobo.co.jp/kokusai/index.html

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 17:06:53 2015 No.14421185 Why are the walls so fucked up?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 17:27:31 2015 No.14421284 >>14421185 It's easier to draw tiles that way. You'll often see people with autotables adjust the walls like that too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 19:16:18 2015 No.14421707 >>14421284 That's the cantonese style of playing, notice they throw the discards in the center with no order. I don't really like it but its better than 16 tile variants like mandarin mahjong. At least there are hands in cantonese style.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 19:20:40 2015 No.14421725 >>14421707 People adjust the walls like that when playing riichi mahjong too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 19:49:08 2015 No.14421824 2:0

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 20:29:10 2015 No.14421952 >>14421824 Still 2:0.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 20:42:18 2015 No.14421996 >>14421952 I'm not in a browser that has Flash at the moment. Maybe later.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 20:43:44 2015 No.14422002 Whatever happened to that one guy asking advice in here before going to an irl game? I'd like to know how it turned out. I'd love to experience some live play myself, my tiles are gathering dust

Anonymous Sun Nov 29 20:57:21 2015 No.14422050

>>14422002
I played the game. It turned out well, but we kept having a problem of missing a 4th player for half the time, and we'd often have a new player playing. We had pretty much one East of all experienced players, and 4 players.
When we did it with 3 players, we did the tenhou "one player being afk" thing, gave them 13 tiles, and then autoplayed whatever they drew.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 21:05:39 2015 No.14422090 >>14422002 I've played mahjong live, but with cards instead of tiles.

Anonymous Sun Nov 29 21:07:34 2015 No.14422096
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How do I get git gud?

Every game I play I just end up going for tanyao/pinfu and pray for some crazy points (I don't even know how I got this many points) and play defensibly. Whenever I go for some of the crazier hands no one ever deals in.

HOW DO I HARVEST FLOW?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 21:50:48 2015 No.14422254 >>14422090 I've seen those Considering getting a deck so I can keep some mahjong on me at all times

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 21:53:37 2015 No.14422274 >>14422254 I don't see how mahjong would ever be relevant unless you have a lot of friends who are into it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 21:57:25 2015 No.14422294 >>14422254 I got the deck as a gift from my Chinese friend. I've never owned tiles. I've had lots of fun the few times I have been able to teach people mahjong. Of course, I teach old HK mahjong as it's more logical to learn.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 22:02:08 2015 No.14422317 3:0

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 22:41:27 2015 No.14422487 File: 141 KB, 678x553, ss (2015-11-29 at 10.34.45).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How is this hand in furiten? 7-8-9 of characters 7-8-9 of pins 1-2-3 of pins 1-1-1 of bamboo Pair of 9s. All terminals. didn't play 9 before.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 22:45:12 2015 No.14422491 >>14422487 You're waiting on 6/9-man. You discarded the 6-man. Even if the wait leaves your hand with no yaku it still counts as furiten.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 22:46:18 2015 No.14422496 >>14422491 Okay, so the 6 wait isn't valid. How does that negate the 9 man?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 22:47:48 2015 No.14422500 >>14422496 Once you're furiten on one wait, you're furiten on all waits.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 22:48:16 2015 No.14422503 >>14422496 Furiten doesn't work like that, if you discard any of your winning tiles you're in furitne and can't win off of discards

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 22:48:29 2015 No.14422504 >>14422500 What the fuck is the logic of that?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 22:49:43 2015 No.14422510 File: 40 KB, 640x480, akagi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14422504

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 22:50:03 2015 No.14422512 >>14422500 >>14422503 Why does Furiten work that way? If I had a double sided wait, and all the 6s had been played, and I was waiting on the 9 man would that be valid? I can't win off of the 6 man that way either

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 22:52:41 2015 No.14422531 >>14422512 Think of it like a penalty for being a dumbass and discarding the tile that would have let you win

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 22:53:13 2015 No.14422534 >>14422531 But the 6 man wouldn't have let me win. Because I'd have no yaku.

Anonymous Sun Nov 29 22:54:12 2015 No.14422540

>>14422504
That's what you get for discarding your winning tile AND opening your hand without any yaku. You can still work around it. You just have to change your wait.

>>14422512
As long as you didn't discard your winning tile, you're not in furiten.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 22:55:09 2015 No.14422544 >>14422540 BUT I WOULDN'T HAVE WON OFF OF THE 6 BECAUSE I'D HAVE NO YAKU.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 22:56:43 2015 No.14422553 >>14422544 You would've had yaku if you called riichi.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 22:59:14 2015 No.14422564 >>14422504 Japanese mahjong is illogical, unlike some forms of Chinese mahjong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 23:00:37 2015 No.14422568 File: 98 KB, 787x652, 1446164583691.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14422564 Are we doing this again?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 23:00:47 2015 No.14422569 >>14422534 >>14422544 It's irrelevant if you have Yaku, maybe win is not correct but complete your hand

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 23:10:51 2015 No.14422605 >>14422569 then why did you keep saying Win?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 23:17:40 2015 No.14422630 >>14422605 Because I didn't realize that I needed to make the distinction

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 23:22:51 2015 No.14422648 >>14422630 What's the logic behind "Once you're furiten on one wait, you're furiten on all waits." If the wait you are furitened on is no Yaku, and would be worthless What's the point of that distinction?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 23:24:25 2015 No.14422654 >>14422648 It was your winning tile one point in time. How is that hard to understand.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 23:25:24 2015 No.14422660 >>14422648 The logic is that you threw away a completed hand so you should get a penalty, if you made a complete hand with no Yaku then you fucked up making your hand anyway but that's kind of irrelevant.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 29 23:31:58 2015 No.14422700 >>14422660 How the fuck is that irrelevant? >>14422654 IT WASN'T MY WINNING TILE BECAUSE I COULDN'T WIN OFF OF IT. I'D HAVE NO YAKU

Anonymous Sun Nov 29 23:38:44 2015 No.14422729

>>14422700
Furiten is about completing hands not winning, so Yaku is irrelevant. Basically if you would have completed your hand but didn't (because of ignorance or because you built your Han with no Yaku, again this doesn't really matter) you're penalized by not being able to win by Ron unless you change your wait or in the case of letting Ron pass then until your next draw.

When building your hand you need to be wary of waits that allow for completed hands with no Yaku or including tiles you've already discarded and avoid them or riichi accordingly.

Anonymous Mon Nov 30 00:44:55 2015 No.14422973

>>14422700
Literally the first result in google when searching furiten.

>Furiten in riichi mahjong is a state in which a player has discarded a tile that would have otherwise completed his hand. A player who is furiten cannot win on an opponent's discard, but can only win by self-drawing the needed tile. This rule is the crux of riichi mahjong. This is why all discards and melded sets are organized to show ownership the tiles discarded.

>It is a common misconception with beginners that being in furiten only applies to discarding the winning tile or a yaku-completing tile.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 01:32:12 2015 No.14423097 >>14422700 >ALL CAPS ANGER Stopped being pissed at the rules. I didn't hear you complain when your no-yaku tenpai hands net you a 3000 noten payment.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 01:55:22 2015 No.14423185 So if you get 9 gates and have discarded any single tile of that suite you can't win off of anyone else's tile?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 01:59:01 2015 No.14423194 >>14423185 I mean. What's the logic of "if you discarded a 1 man, you can now no longer win off of the 2 man the 3 man the 4 man the 5 man the 6 man the 7 man the 8 man and the 9 man?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 02:07:03 2015 No.14423208 >>14423194 so you git gud

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 02:09:54 2015 No.14423218 >>14423208 How do I get good if one of the rules is arbitrary and doesn't make sense?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 02:10:55 2015 No.14423221 >>14423194 Wow, a yakuman hand is hard to get? I'm absolutely shocked.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 02:10:55 2015 No.14423222 File: 148 KB, 255x143, 1446988554886.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14423194 Stop being butthurt and go read rules.

Anonymous Mon Nov 30 02:12:59 2015 No.14423228

>>14423185
>>14423194
>>14423218
1. 9 gates is so rare using it as an argument is basically invalid
2. Yakuman are supposed to be hard as fuck anyway
3. The logic has been gone over numerous times in the thread, it's meant to be a penalty for passing tiles that complete your hand
4. Stop crying, it's really not that hard to not go into furiten if you are aware of the rule and can competently build a hand

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 02:14:45 2015 No.14423234 >>14423221 You don't get what I am saying. What is the logic of furiten applying to all tiles even if you "won" off those tiles it'd be a chombo due to a lack of yaku. It doesn't make sense.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 02:15:47 2015 No.14423237 >>14423222 >>14423228 The rule doesn't make sense

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 02:18:29 2015 No.14423247 >>14423228 Every time it was explained I was told the 6 man would let me win and it was punishing me for passing on when I could have won. But I couldn't have. That's the fundamental problem

Anonymous Mon Nov 30 02:23:27 2015 No.14423262
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>>14423237
They do make sense, I've explained this many times if you don't like the rules than tough tits
>>14423247
I admit I fucked up with my initial explanation, winning and completing your hand are different things and I should have stated it correctly from the beginning. However, I've since revised my statement and explained to you in detail the rule and the probable explanation for it's existance. If you don't understand the rule or why it exist (whether you agree with passing up tiles being worthy of penalty or not) at this point, I cannot help you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 02:24:10 2015 No.14423263 File: 470 KB, 800x800, 1429607786041.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14423237 Nobody’s holding you here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 02:31:18 2015 No.14423292 >>14423263 A rule of Japanese mahjong doesn't make sense so I have to leave /jp/?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 02:34:35 2015 No.14423300 File: 303 KB, 600x879, the-times-they-are-a-changing_eng.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14423292 > I’m not butthurt!!111 I have a right!!!1111 I will shitpost where and when I want!!1111

Anonymous Mon Nov 30 02:35:47 2015 No.14423303

>>14423262
Why can't there be an exception in the rules when it comes to furiten on no yaku tiles? The rules got changed in all kinds of ways. Open riichi. 13 orphans robbing a closed kan, as well as abortive draws. A punishment on discarding a tile which would have won you the game makes sense, except when that tile wouldn't have won you the game

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 02:37:54 2015 No.14423311 >>14423300 And when you are a mod you can ban me. I have been on topic talking about the game

Anonymous Mon Nov 30 02:40:49 2015 No.14423319

>>14423303
Because it isn't the point of the rule. The rule is meant to make the game more difficult and I personally think it is a good encouragement to actually pay attention to the hand you're building/your waits/your Yaku instad of just slapping melds together. I see your thought process but I don't think it fits in with the idea of furiten, quite frankly it's me at to be annoying

Anonymous Mon Nov 30 02:41:16 2015 No.14423321

FYI you can still tsumo if you're in furiten. Furiten only means you can't ron.

Really, furiten existing and working the way it does is the most important thing that sets apart riichi mahjong from other variants, and the game is faaaaar better because of it. Defensive play pretty much only exists because of furiten, and if furiten only applied to tiles you'd discarded then the game would lose a ton of strategy.

>>14423303
>Open riichi.
Non-standard house rule.
>13 orphans robbing a closed kan
Non-standard house rule.
>as well as abortive draws
Some abortive draws are non-standard house rules. Some real life tournaments (such as the WRC) don't allow any abortive draws.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 02:47:33 2015 No.14423335 >>14423321 Some house rules end up becoming official rules over the decades

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 02:50:00 2015 No.14423341 File: 384 KB, 634x626, facepalm_25.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14423311 > he literally took on every greentext from my previous post

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 02:50:20 2015 No.14423343 >>14423303 Next you'll be complaining about how you the new Dora indicator is revealed after discarding and how you should be able to see it before you choose what tile to discard

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 02:52:21 2015 No.14423347 >>14423341 Who are you quoting?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 03:17:28 2015 No.14423389 mahjong is too hard I gave up learning

Anonymous Mon Nov 30 03:38:49 2015 No.14423444

>In 4th south round
>2nd place but behind by about 10,000 points
>hand is like 2 or 3 shanten
>get perfect draws
>riichi with wait for 4 and 7 sou with the 4 giving me Sanshoku
>first place deals a 4 sou and I get a Haneman for 13,000

>>14423389
Sorry to hear that, it's really not that bad though. Not even a month ago I knew fuck all about mahjong outside of watching Akagi

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 03:45:14 2015 No.14423458 >>14423389 Just play with bots, it's easier to learn the rules that way than just reading them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 04:18:31 2015 No.14423545 File: 365 KB, 853x480, [Underwater-Mahjong] Saki - 07 [820B8A78]_0018.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14423389

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 05:20:57 2015 No.14423662 File: 91 KB, 600x838, 1448708952123.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] my favorite part of mahjong

Anonymous Mon Nov 30 07:17:25 2015 No.14423890

>>14423303

>get tenpai with a double sided wait for 3pin/6pin
>draw 3pin my winning tile
>the asshole to my left who is first place, judging from his discards, is likely to have the 6pin
>discard 3pin, giving up my win that turn, for the sole purpose of targeting the asshole because getting a direct on him would knock him out of first

Furiten prevents situations like this from happening

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 08:29:24 2015 No.14424071 >>14422050 Why didn't you just play 3p mahjong, retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 08:30:27 2015 No.14424073 >>14422096 get them doras get them akai doras get them yakuhais

Anonymous Mon Nov 30 09:04:18 2015 No.14424161

>>14423185
You seem to forget about that there are a two possible forms of nine gates. The standard one where you already have your pair (1112344678999) and are on a single wait, and the 13 sided wait (1112345678999) double yakuman

The first will be much more lenient in allowing you to toss any additional tiles you don't need since you are waiting on that 5. The double yakuman version is really difficult to avoid, but frankly at that point, getting a tsumo shouldn't be that hard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 10:40:10 2015 No.14424454 >>14423890 I didn't say in all cases, I said when that 3 pin in your hand would make it invalid as it has no yaku Like it does in my screenshot. The 6 man would result in a no yaku hand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 10:43:10 2015 No.14424463 >>14424071 Because everyone there hated 3P.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 12:17:18 2015 No.14424780 >someone else is shitting up the thread because he doesn't like Japanese mahjong I wish he at least tried to be half as logical as the other anti-riichi posters.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 17:45:35 2015 No.14426043 Is there an easy way to learn Mahjong? I kinda want to play a game with /jp/ and do it properly. I've won before with just a general idea of going for a patterns.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 17:50:33 2015 No.14426073 >>14426043 The official rules are actually easy to read, and there are strategy guides online.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 18:02:49 2015 No.14426137 >>14420539 3.0

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 18:05:04 2015 No.14426143 >>14426043 google riichimahjong flash and after the basic when you are starting to get used by the game, google ''yaku''

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 18:06:18 2015 No.14426151 File: 462 KB, 480x800, 1832873813.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm dumb and just got into mahjong Why didn't I won ?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 18:08:48 2015 No.14426161 File: 73 KB, 1055x640, 1379361520221.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14426151

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 18:10:37 2015 No.14426171 >>14426151 Never open your hand unless you have yaku.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 18:31:09 2015 No.14426270 File: 125 KB, 723x608, ss+(2015-11-30+at+03.29.51).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So close to a come back. ;_; Damn you C3PO

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 18:36:10 2015 No.14426300 File: 277 KB, 734x620, fast.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I suck

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 18:43:18 2015 No.14426337 >>14420539 to everybody: STOP PUTTING DOWN DORA AT THE END

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 18:55:12 2015 No.14426404 File: 54 KB, 291x362, 1399246150085.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I always get the worst hands when I'm the dealer

Anonymous Mon Nov 30 19:36:41 2015 No.14426679

>>14424454

You can win off the 3pin with a tsumo(self-draw) even if you have no other yaku.

And even if all 3pin have been discarded and it's a dead wait for you, it still "completes" your hand and you can win off it if you were to draw it to yourself(even if there are no more 3pin to draw).

Remember that furiten happens because you yourself discarded your own winning tile.

If you had a wait for 3pin/6pin and you draw the 3pin, you are going to get a tsumo win.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 19:58:21 2015 No.14426809 >>14422504 It's the cornerstone to a large amount of defense strategy in riichi. You'll appreciate it once you get better.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 20:48:16 2015 No.14426995 >>14426404 Finish them quickly with cheap hands until you get a good starting hand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 21:38:29 2015 No.14427223 File: 1.46 MB, 1094x1600, 4.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 2:0

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 21:51:23 2015 No.14427289 We 3:0 now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 22:20:14 2015 No.14427402 File: 351 KB, 480x270, 1447671027873.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw no one dealt into your Ryanpeiko >tfw your winning tile was discarded the turn before you went into tenpai On the bright side I still won, good game anons

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 22:22:46 2015 No.14427413 >>14427402 Good game. Ended way too early though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 22:25:12 2015 No.14427425 >>14427413 Yeah, we're back to 3:0 though

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 22:40:41 2015 No.14427494 File: 619 KB, 1280x720, 1438740366521.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 3 fucking : 0 someone put us out of our misery

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 22:42:31 2015 No.14427500 >>14427494 Fine, I'll join. I wish there was a good online server for chinese official rules.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 22:59:44 2015 No.14427555 >1000 points left Yare-yare, looks like I'll have to get serious.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 23:03:49 2015 No.14427567 File: 633 KB, 1280x720, OHOHOHOHO.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14427555 >get serious >lose just by not being in tenpai

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 23:04:24 2015 No.14427568 File: 86 KB, 211x392, 1446598581180.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14427555 >getting killed by noten penalty

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 23:47:29 2015 No.14427687 had shitty hands the entire game

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 23:52:43 2015 No.14427702 >>14422096 Riichi - 1 han Ittsu - 1 han Akadora - 3 han Menzen Tsumoho - 1 han Tanyao - 1 han I think the last is pinfu. That's how you got so many points anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 30 23:56:17 2015 No.14427714 >>14423247 You could've if you declared riichi.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 00:01:56 2015 No.14427734 File: 604 KB, 1280x720, 1448942629884.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14427567

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 00:04:42 2015 No.14427743 1:4

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 00:17:06 2015 No.14427787 This game is hard. just trying to get triples and a pair or quads and a pair. why so hard to win

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 00:24:58 2015 No.14427811 >>14427787 Triples and quads are probably harder than runs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 00:29:13 2015 No.14427831 >>14427702 Riichi Ippatsu Tsumo Pin-fu Tan yao Dora 3. Dealer Baiman.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 00:57:18 2015 No.14427903 >>14427831 Ahh, it's ippatsu and not ittsu. I always get the name of it mixed up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 01:04:06 2015 No.14427928 2:0 with three assholes sitting idle.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 01:15:20 2015 No.14427978 File: 242 KB, 1608x1284, 3-0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14427933

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>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 03:55:45 2015 No.14428517 Why do I keep getting disconnected after entering a game? This is getting irritating.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 09:02:48 2015 No.14429318 File: 727 KB, 1225x900, 1034206.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14427978 Got anymore like these?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 10:45:43 2015 No.14429664 >>14428517 Use the Windows client. There's a crack somewhere on google.

Anonymous Tue Dec 1 16:17:51 2015 No.14430571
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I'm trying to learn using a free program I found.
What is the strategy in Mahjong, It feels like a game that is heavy in luck and less thought out.

But I assume their must be a some element of skill since I've not won being a newcomer and if it was just luck I'd assume I'd atleast win some games due to luck.

Anonymous Tue Dec 1 16:30:49 2015 No.14430608

>>14430571
Learning hands.
Reading other player's discards for multiple reasons:
1. So you know what is/isn't in the wall — like, there's only 4 of each tile in the wall, so if you've already seen X discarded, and you hold the other (4-X) tiles then...
2. So you get an idea of what type of hand the players are going for — guy discarding all the manzu/souzu? Then he's most likely going for pinzu tiles. Don't deal into their hand.

Repeating that last bit:
Don't deal into their hand.
Another part of the game is learning when you should stop trying to complete your hand. That it's too risky (like you're aiming for a low scoring hand, but you risk dealing into a high scoring hand to complete your hand) to continue.

Just stuff like that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 16:33:48 2015 No.14430621 File: 454 KB, 1013x738, nicedesune.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14430608 I just won for the first time just now. I've been trying to learn from the discards but I'm quite at the level to know what kind of hands they are building.

Anonymous Tue Dec 1 16:44:01 2015 No.14430652

>>14430621
Are you defining "winning" as winning a hand or winning the round?

I'm curious as to why you would have called the 3-pin, it looks like you could have gone for at least 3 more yaku (multipliers) with that hand — tanyao, pinfu, riichi (not to mention the bonus yaku from dora/uradora) — if you hadn't made that call.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 17:44:26 2015 No.14430852 File: 71 KB, 500x500, 1429909368300.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 3:12 GET IN HERE

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 18:22:38 2015 No.14430963 >>14430621 What game is this? It's not Saikyou no Mahjong is it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 19:06:11 2015 No.14431063 >>14430963 ３Ｄリアル麻雀　龍匠 Mahjong Ryusyou

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 19:07:41 2015 No.14431065 Is there a way I can play Mahjong 2 players online with CPU for other roles against a friend? Or do I have to use tenhou and play with human players.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 19:17:51 2015 No.14431100 Is it possible to play get into 7447 with the windows client?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 20:03:50 2015 No.14431221 >>14431065 >Is there a way I can play Mahjong 2 players online with CPU for other roles against a friend? No.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 22:32:50 2015 No.14431751 Is there a way I can play good mahjong? Or do I have to play reach mahjong on tenhou?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 22:44:29 2015 No.14431812 >>14431751 Tenhou is really not that complicated. It even holds your hand and gives you time to think if you want to pon or chii. It even tells you when you can ron/tsumo or riichi.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 22:45:15 2015 No.14431815 >>14431812 He was jokingly insulting riichi mahjong

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 22:50:12 2015 No.14431828 >>14431815 I was joking, I'm finally starting to enjoy riichi mahjong myself, but old HK and international rules have a special place in my heart.

Anonymous Tue Dec 1 22:51:34 2015 No.14431835

Please only open your hand if you stand to gain something

It is painful to see someone open so many times only to get to the final discard and not get a ron/tsumo or not even be in tenpai - with a hand that is complete trash worth less than 4k nip nongs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 22:58:14 2015 No.14431857 >>14431835 As a dealer, unless I get something special I try to play fast and go for open tanyao. Is that bad?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 23:08:32 2015 No.14431892 File: 291 KB, 868x715, niwaka.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I will become the mahjong

Anonymous Tue Dec 1 23:10:45 2015 No.14431904

>>14431857

Nah that's one of the situations where it's okay.

I'm talking about stupid shit people do like calling honor wind tiles that aren't their own wind or the round's prevailing wind super early in the game for some dumb reason when they don't have any other of the winds or other honor tiles in their hand. Sometimes it happens with good reason though, like this one time this guy who did that already had 3 chuns inside of his hand to fulfill his yaku requirement.

Times I like to open my hand

>calling pon/kan for dora 3/4 if I have my hand set up to have at least 1 yaku even if opened(open tanyao or chanta)
>late in the game when someone else goes into riichi, I might call tiles so I can possibly win before he does or I can get rid of potentially dangerous tiles
>doing random pons when I have a shit hand to change the order of draws so I can pretend I'm Akagi and have a elaborate motive psychologically juking my opponents
>when I'm given a hand gifted with the blessings of at least 2 of each chun, hatsu, and haku set up for daisangen or similarily 2 of each of at least 3 of the winds

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 23:18:12 2015 No.14431929 >>14430621 Probably thought Shanshoku is worth tons of points, but it loses a han if you open. I often forget which hands lose value if you open.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 23:30:56 2015 No.14431961 >>14431929 Chanta, Sanshoku, Ittsu, Honitsu, Junchan and Chinitsu

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 23:35:34 2015 No.14431970 File: 114 KB, 846x437, yakuman all honors.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What is this hand called?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 23:37:52 2015 No.14431981 >>14431970 Suuankou Tsuu iisou

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 1 23:40:32 2015 No.14431987 >>14431981 Doesn't it also have Daisangen?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 08:27:48 2015 No.14433319 Goddamn flow

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 08:35:21 2015 No.14433329 >>14433319 >the flow comes to you while you're dealer I didn't want to play the south rounds anyway

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 08:38:21 2015 No.14433339 >>14433319 such is the power of the flow that fucking kan with 4 dora

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 08:40:11 2015 No.14433343 >>14433319 How do you harness the flow?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 08:40:52 2015 No.14433344 >>14433343 cheap and fast winning

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 12:28:22 2015 No.14433842 Who else plays by probabilities? I've been able to get some good hands just by working out the probability as the game goes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 12:37:01 2015 No.14433870 that feel when you are one tile away from kokushi tenpai and one of the terminals you need are all discarded in the same turn.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 12:39:14 2015 No.14433875 >2:0

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 12:43:57 2015 No.14433891

>>14433842
I'm pretty sure thats how most people play whether they realize it or not. I mean occasionally you go against to try and get big points but generally you try to use tile efficiency and puzzle out which tile is going to give you the better odds.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 12:57:18 2015 No.14433920 File: 15 KB, 338x402, 1449079038760.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >that ura Dora R.I.P

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 12:57:36 2015 No.14433921 Good one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 12:58:18 2015 No.14433924 >>14431063 I wish that game didn't keep crashing on me whenever i got a mangan

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 12:59:35 2015 No.14433927 >>14433920 I was just aiming for the 12000

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 13:07:21 2015 No.14433959 3:0

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 13:48:27 2015 No.14434104 File: 185 KB, 744x555, myhand.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14420539 too bad

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 13:49:09 2015 No.14434107 >>14433924 Same. I didn't realise it was buggy yesterday. shame

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 16:25:56 2015 No.14434612 File: 8 KB, 42x237, Untitled.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Feelio when you break a losing streak.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 16:30:30 2015 No.14434617 File: 448 KB, 382x600, 1448847388109 (1).webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 3:0 .. 0

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>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 16:42:07 2015 No.14434648 >>14434617 I can't stop watching this webm.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 17:08:55 2015 No.14434748 Nice last minute dora.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 17:09:02 2015 No.14434751 Good game.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 17:10:24 2015 No.14434756 Come on, did you really need to discard that FIVE against his SIX riichi? Just play safe and eat the noten

>>	NoName Wed Dec 2 17:11:44 2015 No.14434761 >>14434756 Gogo please.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 17:38:57 2015 No.14434870 how do I play against beginners, most people eat me alive.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 17:45:28 2015 No.14434887 >>14434870 http://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/mahjong/mahjong_e.html Did you play this already? Practice here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 17:47:50 2015 No.14434897 >>14434870 Just play on tenhou, it's not like it's full of pros

Anonymous Wed Dec 2 17:51:45 2015 No.14434912

>>14434897
If you need to practice, tenhou is terrible. You need to wait hours to play a match, then you need to pray for someone to not drop when his yakuman attempt fails.

There is little playtime going on on tenhou compared to the time you can get playing on stuff like gamedesign.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 17:53:18 2015 No.14434918 >>14434912 >hours I didn't say 7447

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 18:34:46 2015 No.14435095 >>14434912 >There is little playtime going on on tenhou Have you never been to 0000?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 19:46:47 2015 No.14435421 >>14433891 What elements does mahjong have outside of probability? I find it easier to understand a game if I know its "focus".

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 19:51:40 2015 No.14435442 >>14435421 Tile efficiency.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 20:10:43 2015 No.14435503 File: 138 KB, 326x500, fdpkok.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14434912 >>14435095 I go on NicoNico find mahjong streams, log into the tenhou room and cheat. Hillarious desu senpai. Funny yellow bastards.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 20:26:07 2015 No.14435554 >>14435442 Is that more than just looking at probabilities?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 22:25:37 2015 No.14436091 File: 46 KB, 303x566, 1444680670859.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] http://tenhou.net/0/?L1800

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 2 23:45:28 2015 No.14436388 File: 442 KB, 1022x799, weh.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] At least I didn't come last.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 01:26:56 2015 No.14436662 File: 462 KB, 768x1024, Screenshot_2015-12-03-01-25-30.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw last minute comeback

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 01:49:46 2015 No.14436733 File: 125 KB, 450x443, 403.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14436091 Raus b2KC.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 08:48:39 2015 No.14437734 Has anyone here made it to the higher ranked lobbies in Tenhou? I am almost able to play in the Dan lobby and I'm wondering if it's noticeably tougher

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 09:04:10 2015 No.14437770

>>14435421
Not much, almost everything comes down to probability in the end. You can do some psychological things, though. E.g. applying a suji trap, or deciding if you call riichi.

>>14437734
Getting to the Dan Lobby is really easy, you basically just need enough games as you can't lose "Dan points" on the lower kyuu ranks.
And yes, it is noticabely more difficult, though that is not hard. I still remember playing in the general lobby and about every second game one of the players just left when he lost some hands. Once you're in the Dan Lobby the struggling for points really starts, getting into upper dan already requires quite some skill.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 09:39:59 2015 No.14437835

I'm thinking about making my own mahjong tiles since I got access to some engraving equipment and materials. What material would be best for a solid tile that has some weight to it, and makes that nice clacky sound that mahjong tiles are associated with?

I don't really have access to bones (don't even know how to use it anyway) or bamboo so I'm looking more into plastics but I'm not sure if a pure plastic tile would ever not fly away because of wind and such. A lot of plastic tiles I come across feel slippery to the touch like they'd wear down after a couple uses and/or are pretty light and like to fly away. Some results suggest that polystyrene might be what I want but I'm not sure if I'm competent enough to cook that at home.

One of my buddies suggested fashioning tiles out of a metal (anodized alumnium, maybe bronze or steel) and just encasing them in epoxy or something, but that sounds like something for a second attempt after I figure out how to do things right first.

I know it's a long shot since most people here probably only played online but I figured I'd ask.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 09:49:41 2015 No.14437861 >>14437835 I don't know anything about this so I'm aftaid I can't help, but I think you might get some better answers on /diy/ granted they probably don't know shit about mahjong but they would have suggestions for materials and stuff I'm sure.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 10:08:59 2015 No.14437899 >>14420539 kitakami, stop discarding middle tiles also check the dora before discarding anything

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 10:27:08 2015 No.14437949 File: 216 KB, 480x480, 44279580_p0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I hit 1-kyuu and my ranking is still at R1100. It's about time I kill myself anyway

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 10:44:52 2015 No.14437983 >>14437835 Why not use wood?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 10:49:17 2015 No.14437990 >>14437835 The tiles I have are made of melamine, but I have no idea how feasible that is to use out of industrial purposes.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 11:33:46 2015 No.14438120
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>>14437949
It’s okay. I was around 1100 back then, too. Now I’m 二段 with R1500+ and steadily getting more though I’ve dropped back to 初段 twice. Just read more.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 11:58:35 2015 No.14438193 >>14437983 Maybe it's just me but wood doesn't feel right. Also I want an excuse to learn how to work with plastics. >>14437861 I can't find anything on melamine except as a coating on wood products. Are you sure your tiles are solid melamine?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 12:01:21 2015 No.14438202 >>14438193 I made a mistake it's just the coating that is melamine. They are made out of resin.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 12:09:32 2015 No.14438232 >>14438202 That makes more sense then.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 12:31:22 2015 No.14438275 File: 34 KB, 316x290, 1295448133570.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 12:33:15 2015 No.14438281 File: 112 KB, 800x600, 91bec0aa8aaaae59a643c02159af49e7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 12:44:56 2015 No.14438312 >>14438281 Is it just that one CG or was there mahjong in that game?

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 15:24:50 2015 No.14438719

>>14437770
>Once you're in the Dan Lobby the struggling for points really starts
What? You don't mean the same lobby full of >1800 3 dans and <1800 4 dans that I've come to love, right? I was scared at first, but it's been much easier than the general lobby. Trying to read hands in that lobby was like trying to read the collective minds of everyone on /b/. Upper dans will surely be harder, but this lobby is like heaven to me right now.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 15:52:04 2015 No.14438793

>>14438719
The fact that there is much less disconnecting alone makes things more difficult. In the general lobby you quite often don't even have three opponents, but two or one. Reading hands is overrated anyway, just go by probabilty and you will get your ~30% winrate in the general lobby.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 15:54:55 2015 No.14438798 >>14436091 >http://tenhou.net/0/?L1800 What's with this lounge? Is this related to Krautchan or what, see>>14436733?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 16:04:06 2015 No.14438834 File: 68 KB, 500x446, 1347432236241.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] tfw no cute jpsie to teach you how to play mahjong :<

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 16:05:54 2015 No.14438846 >>14438834 Homosexuals please leave

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 16:32:49 2015 No.14438964 File: 51 KB, 625x552, 1351139858789.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14438846 s-sorry

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 16:38:36 2015 No.14438978 >>14438834 But there are.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 16:41:42 2015 No.14438983

>>14438793
Disconnecting is what make it difficult for me in the first place. I don't want to play with a bot dealing into every hand I avoid. It boils everything down to an even simpler version of "Whoever gets into tenpai and calls riichi first wins."

>Reading hands is overrated anyway, just go by probabilty and you will get your ~30% winrate in the general lobby.
I'm sorry, but what? I've got a 30%/7% 1st/4th rate in the dan lobby coming from a 20%/33% rate in the general, so I'll just keep doing it this way until it stops working.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 16:51:05 2015 No.14439008

>>14438983
>I don't want to play with a bot dealing into every hand I avoid.
But that is a good thing. Opponent dealing into ron > tsumo where you also have to pay.
Of course playing in the Dan lobby is much more fun, I'm not arguing with that.

>30%/7%
>7% losses
Did you mean 17% or 27%? Not even the best players in the world could get 7% over a sufficient amount of matches. Even 17% would be extremely impressive. How many games do you have?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 20:28:19 2015 No.14439651 How the hell does yaku work?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 21:17:56 2015 No.14439827 >>14420539 2.0

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 21:18:58 2015 No.14439831 >>14439651 open wikipedia

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 21:20:07 2015 No.14439835
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>>14439651
Yaku is the name of hand formations that allow you to win and each one has a specific Han value as well. You only need one Yaku to win but the more you get the more Han you get, the more Han you get the more your hand is worth. Han can also be earned by getting Dora tiles.

When it comes to hand value there's also Fu but you don't really need to know about that unless you plan on scoring games

>>	not gogo Thu Dec 3 21:28:30 2015 No.14439865 That was the definition of rape

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 21:56:19 2015 No.14439932 File: 73 KB, 812x648, mahjong.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Did I misread the situation? Was there a sign that I should have discarded the 4 instead of the 7 here?

>>	not gogo Thu Dec 3 22:04:10 2015 No.14439945 >>14439932 Yeah it was like pretty fucking obvious

>>	not gogo Thu Dec 3 22:05:36 2015 No.14439948 >>14439932 Why didn't the computer riichi?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 22:23:48 2015 No.14440007 >>14439945 Pls no bully. It's my first time trying to play.

Anonymous Thu Dec 3 22:27:26 2015 No.14440020

>>14439932
Going by the pond, both 4 and 7 were dangerous since barely any pinzu had been discarded and the 6p dora was completely live.

>>14439948
Setting aside the fact that it's an AI, a real player might choose not to riichi in that situation for a few reasons. The wait is bad, so you don't have good odds of winning if you riichi. Tanyao iipeikou dora is enough to overtake third place, or second with a direct hit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 22:29:35 2015 No.14440028 >>14440020 I asked because it was the ai

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 22:32:22 2015 No.14440041 Sorry for disconnecting, my internet shit the bed for a minute there

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 22:41:38 2015 No.14440065 >>14420539 nice games, thanks people

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 22:43:46 2015 No.14440076 >>14440020 >the 6p dora was completely live. What does that mean? Should I have done anything different before that point?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 22:46:33 2015 No.14440085 >>14440076 No 6p's are present in the discard pond. Personally I would've gone for a tanyao hand then damaten if I'm ever going for it with that kind of lead.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 22:49:25 2015 No.14440096 File: 151 KB, 850x800, 315b7f81800a19d8f505e55e33fa828ba71e464f.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 2:0

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 22:49:57 2015 No.14440098 >>14439932 Ignore the other anon, you can't always play defensively. You did good I'm proud of you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 23:02:35 2015 No.14440142 >>14440096 3:0

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 23:43:22 2015 No.14440330 >>14440142 3:0 again.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 3 23:54:40 2015 No.14440379 u.pomf.io/fxnibu.webm I don't get it, why was the five so dangerous? I mean, wasn't it just "normal" dangerous? Like any other tile not in the yakuza's pond? Or was the 5 especially dangerous for a reason I can't quite see?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 00:04:51 2015 No.14440433 STOP WITH THE RIICHIS 3 TILES IN YOU FUCKERS

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 00:06:07 2015 No.14440442 >putting down a live dora tile when someone declares riichi Can we not do this?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 00:07:42 2015 No.14440449 >>14440442 >he didn't know it was going to pass Lol loser

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 00:09:00 2015 No.14440459 >>14440433 gogo pls

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 00:09:28 2015 No.14440462 >>14440449 Says the person who dealt in 5 times already.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 00:11:18 2015 No.14440471 >>14440462 MAKE THAT SIX

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 00:12:08 2015 No.14440479 I'm just waiting for my yakuman and then you'll see. All of you will see.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 00:12:59 2015 No.14440484 SEVEN

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 00:14:11 2015 No.14440489 >>14440484 The flow wasn't with me, that's all. I mean come on you all riiching not 20 seconds in each and every round

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 00:44:17 2015 No.14440611

>>14440379
Urasuji, or as Triad translated it, the back vein. The idea is that if someone has 46 and they draw 3, they'll discard the 6. In this case, since Ryuuzaki discarded both 1 and 6, 25 is double urasuji (a pattern known as aida yonken).

That said, statistically speaking urasuji are a myth. Don't try and use them for defense.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 00:54:16 2015 No.14440646 File: 46 KB, 640x480, 1391122710868.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I wanted to play again.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 01:01:41 2015 No.14440659 >tanyao palace

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 01:45:39 2015 No.14440767 >>14440659 >not tanyao tower

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 02:00:50 2015 No.14440817 >>14439008 No, no. I haven't played much, but it's still an immediate improvement over my ratio in general. 27 hanchans. 8-8-9-2

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 02:29:03 2015 No.14440922 File: 296 KB, 820x701, at least I didn't die last.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I did horribly and then managed my only decent hand. I need to learn a lot more.

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 06:55:45 2015 No.14441505

>>14439932
8man was Suji. If you wanted to play defensively, 8man would have been best. But continuing to play offensively with a ryanmen wait is perfectly fine. Discarding 4pin would have been half-assed, neither optimal in a defensive nor in an offensive sense.

>>14439945
No it wasn't? Where do you conclude this from?

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 08:34:06 2015 No.14441855

>>14441505

He probably just had a kneejerk reaction without thinking or he doesn't play mahjong.

But yeah, between 4p and 7p in that situation, the 7p was a better discard. Same amount of risk but if it passed, he would've been left with an open ended wait.

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 13:41:13 2015 No.14442711

I get that reading discards shouldn't be as easy as they make it look in manga, but I feel like I'm not getting better at all.
It feels like my ability when I was at 30 games played is the same as now, past 200.
I can't get a feel for people who are in tenpai, unless they're just discarding over and over, and I can't understand 'what' kind of hand they're waiting on, let alone what tiles.

Are matched discards and suji really the only tools at your disposal?

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 13:51:24 2015 No.14442755

>>14442711
>Are matched discards and suji really the only tools at your disposal?
Against a riichi suji and kabe are basically all you need.
Kabe means you count the tiles that are already out and conclude which ryanmen waits are impossible from that. E.g. if all 2s of a suit are out a ryanmen wait on a 1 of the same suit is impossible.
Obviously against an open hand you can also conclude stuff from the open melds.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 13:54:50 2015 No.14442765 >>14442711 >>14442755 One additional note: If your opponent discards middle tiles (especially 4,5,6) early or starts discarding a lot of middle tiles it's often a sign that he's close to or already in tempai.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 14:08:10 2015 No.14442798 >>14442755 >>14442765 I already use that logic. I was just disappointed that when, feeling myself stagnate, I went to check on 'advanced' techniques, and basically just found various descriptions of common sense given specific names.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 14:23:09 2015 No.14442840 >>14442765 Bullshit, if my hand is kinda shitty I choose from the start between tanyao and chanta, but choosing chanta doesn't mean I'm closer to tenpai that if had more middle ones and go for tanyao.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 14:49:24 2015 No.14442898 >>14442840 Chanta is pretty rare, early middle discards more often indicate that the player had no isolated outer or yaku tiles and thus his hand was pretty good from the start.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 14:55:47 2015 No.14442921 >>14442798 >found various descriptions of common sense given specific names I felt like a true tensai when I read about suji and I'd already been using it without knowing it had a name.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 16:37:29 2015 No.14443305 >>14420539 3.0

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 17:51:14 2015 No.14443581 >>14441505 Does it make sense to play defensively in that situation considering nobody called riichi? And is reforming your eyes that late really viable?

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 18:11:24 2015 No.14443685

>>14443581
>Does it make sense to play defensively in that situation
Not really, he was by far in the lead so being careful would be a good idea, but in that situation just playing offensively is still the best option.

>And is reforming your eyes that late really viable?
>reforming your eyes
What?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 19:00:07 2015 No.14443839 >>14443685 >>And is reforming your eyes that late really viable? I think he means rearranging your hand.

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 19:15:20 2015 No.14443908

>>14442711
>I get that reading discards shouldn't be as easy as they make it look in manga
It's really not. In reality, you need a lot of experience to be able to read waits with any sort of accuracy. I consider myself fairly good at it (compared to most people, at least) but it took me like two thousand games to get there and I still make plenty of misreads.

My advice is to not bother trying until you're at or near tokujou. Until then, just focus on basic tile efficiency and defense.

>>14442798
>I went to check on 'advanced' techniques, and basically just found various descriptions of common sense given specific names
It helps if you can read moon. A lot of actually advanced theory isn't available in English.

>>14443685
"Eyes" are another term for the pair.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 21:37:47 2015 No.14444552 >>14444444

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 21:44:20 2015 No.14444578 Why does tenhou give such a ridiculously short amount of time to take your turn?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 21:50:00 2015 No.14444600 >>14444578 It's by no means ridiculously short. Maybe you should stick to the Flash game until you can make your decisions faster.

Anonymous Fri Dec 4 21:57:52 2015 No.14444618

>>14442765
That or he is going for a quick hand or chanta/junchan. Either way, if someone calls a terminal early in the game and discards middle tiles it eliminates a lot of possibilities and makes it slightly easier to defend against them.

Reading advanced theories in defending only goes so far, and I personally believe that playing more games is the only way to make it. It feels really good to read odd waits such as non-seat honor tiles.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 22:00:01 2015 No.14444623 >>14444578 Unless you're playing quick mode it's not that bad

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 4 22:23:33 2015 No.14444685 That's a lot of pon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 01:11:49 2015 No.14445173 >>14444578 It's not short as long as you haven't run out of the 10 bonus seconds. Enable noises too so you know when to start the game.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 02:52:57 2015 No.14445427 Why are tiles drawn from the dead wall instead of live wall for kan replacements?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 02:58:15 2015 No.14445450 >>14445427 No real reason probably just to make the draws seem more random

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 03:44:29 2015 No.14445558 >>14445427 To keep the number of tiles in play consistent.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 03:45:57 2015 No.14445561 >>14445558 But they add tiles to the dead wall anyway.

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 09:11:38 2015 No.14446314

What is /jp/s opinion on discarding middle tiles (4,5,6) vs. breaking apart 1-2 taatsu?
Personally I usually discard the middle tile if I can get into 2-shanten or better, and the 1 if I'm in 4-shanten or worse, but I hesitate when I'm in 3-shanten.
Where would you put the threshold for discarding the 1? Also I'm aware that this is of course influenced by general hand shape and yaku, but I'm talking solely about speed here.

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 09:48:07 2015 No.14446426

>>14444618
>It feels really good to read odd waits such as non-seat honor tiles.
How is this even possible against closed hands? Like what kind of signs are there that could indicate a wait on a wind? Except of course the wind being a live tile, but that's trivial. MAYBE if the player doesn't have any discards of a certain suit that could indicate a honitsu which would slightly increase the chance for an honour tile wait, or likewise having no or few honour tiles and terminals could indicate a chanta/honrouto, but overall I think complying with statistics is the best defense most of the time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 10:04:27 2015 No.14446493 >>14446314 because if you discard 1 and 9 you can get a tanyao

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 10:11:40 2015 No.14446515 >>14446493 Read my post before replying please, thanks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 10:16:27 2015 No.14446531 >>14446515 Make me

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 10:18:15 2015 No.14446538 File: 400 KB, 1024x576, 1306950454232.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Remember kids: You can't spell "betaori" without beta!!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 10:20:45 2015 No.14446549 >>14446314 Are you saying that you would discard a 4 for a 1-2 taatsu? I also pretty much agree with the rest of what you said, only keeping outside waits if it's the only taatsu I have or my hand is very close to finished

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 10:40:52 2015 No.14446622 >>14446538 If I don't betaori, I'd be making the Ron choice.

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 10:51:02 2015 No.14446649

>>14446426
If I recall correctly my only hint was that the honor tile was still live, nothing else. He riichi'd with a dual pon wait, and although I wasn't able to read that far on his waits I was just betaori after he called riichi.That's a part of it but mostly I just felt that it was dangerous so I kept it. Also happened with the single 1man wait I dodged earlier today. No reason for me to keep the 1 man but I just felt that it was dangerous.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 11:36:31 2015 No.14446784 >>14446622 CARLOS!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 12:58:19 2015 No.14447041 >>14446549 >Are you saying that you would discard a 4 for a 1-2 taatsu? Yes, if I'm relatively close to getting into into tenpai.

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 13:14:45 2015 No.14447075

>>14447041
Isn't 2-4 is the same wait with more options though. With 1-2 the only tiles that can potentially help your hand are 1-2-3 but of you choose 2-4 you have 2-3-4-5 instead. When/if you draw the 5 you can trash the 2 and you still have your 3 wait but now you can also draw a 6. Ignoring situations where certain things are discarded or your aiming for a certain Yaku there is I don't think there is a reason to pick 1-2 over 2-4

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 13:20:16 2015 No.14447091
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>>14446538
This! One of my opponents was clearly going for Honitsu but I didn't give a fuck and dealt my Kyuu Sou right into his hand. I wasn't even close to tenpai. Always attack! Alpha as fuck!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 13:23:51 2015 No.14447105 File: 44 KB, 337x404, 1371495902960.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14447091 >kyuu sou >kyuu

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 13:28:49 2015 No.14447114 File: 37 KB, 402x401, 5e38561abe9de4a50bcb896ea280bef9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14447091 >censoring your name >censoring your opponents >playing retarded >giving the victory

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 13:32:41 2015 No.14447125 >>14447075 I was talking about the decision between breaking apart a taatsu vs. keeping an isolated middle tile. E.g. I have a 1-2 man taatsu and an isolated 4pin. Of course, if I have 1-2-4 of one suit discarding 1 is usually the best option.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 13:41:23 2015 No.14447156 >>14447091 I don't get why he didn't keep the 5sou and discarded the 9sou two turns prior He would have increased the number of winning tiles and even won by tsumo the very next round

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 14:21:34 2015 No.14447298 >>14447156 All 2sou were already out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 14:23:06 2015 No.14447303 >>14447298 All the better. It still had the same amount of winning tiles as the 9sou and was even a perfect suji trap in case anyone was paying attention to that.

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 14:26:13 2015 No.14447314

>>14447303
>All the better.
>Having less outs is better
What?
Also how would there be any suji trap if he had discarded the 9? And even IF there would be one it would be pointless since the 2s are out anyway. 5 was the better discard from what we can see.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 14:26:19 2015 No.14447315 >>14447091 enjoy losing

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 14:28:53 2015 No.14447324

>>14447314
keeping the 5sou meant being still in tenpai while being able to change his wait in any moment another sou fell into his lap

He still had the same amount of winning tiles left (3 5sou remaining vs 3 9sou remaining), not to mention that keeping the 5sou gave him an opportunity to make his winning tiles better in case he drew a 6sou

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 14:29:01 2015 No.14447327 >>14446538 I admire alpha people, like one guy yesterday who discarded a dora in the last turn, ending the game.

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 14:31:13 2015 No.14447341

>>14447314
Oh wait, are you referring to the double suji trap because of kabe? Okay, that's a point, but it would still be 2 winning tiles compared to 3, so I would still prefer keeping the 9. Especially since the Honiisou is pretty obvious, so it's unlikely anyone will discard sou anyway, so I would try to maximize my tsumo chances.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 14:31:27 2015 No.14447343 If you make a closed kan and shoot for a high dora yield with riichi, is there any other yaku that can be added that won't interfere with this strategy?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 14:33:19 2015 No.14447355 >>14447324 >(3 5sou remaining vs 3 9sou remaining) with a 3455 wait there would be only two 5s left.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 14:35:23 2015 No.14447362 File: 413 KB, 640x826, 1449337694942.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] JUST ONE MORE IT COULD BE YOU:0

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 14:37:30 2015 No.14447376 >>14447324 Oh and to add to this a 3459 wait can be updgraded by drawing a 6sou just as good as a 3455 wait, just discard the 9.

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 14:37:51 2015 No.14447377
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> This is a rather famous beginner tile efficiency problem(smile): Choosing between 23 wan, 78 wan, 34 pin.
>The correct answer is discarding 8 wan. After you discard 8 wan, you're left with the shape 233457, 6 wan is still an effective tile! If you discard the remaining two taatsu, you'll lose two types of effective tiles.
>Like the 233457 shape, it's very common in Japanese mahjong, beginners should pay more attention.
I don't see how the 8m is a better discard than 3m.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 14:43:49 2015 No.14447399 >>14447377 I don't either actually, are we just ignoring the 9 man here?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 14:45:08 2015 No.14447404 >>14447377 Keeping the 3m leaves the potential of getting a 3rd and maybe even 4th one

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 14:47:50 2015 No.14447418 >almost near the end of the round >in tenpai >get a live hatsu tile Fuck everything.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 14:50:07 2015 No.14447426 >>14447404 Yeah, but a 3m is used for 234/345 taatsu, so drawing another one will just give us a pair, and we already have the 6 sou pair making it a wasted draw.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 14:50:50 2015 No.14447432 >>14447377 Why would anyone discard the 3? That's like one of the usefulest! I'd discard either both 6 or the 8

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 14:51:18 2015 No.14447434

>>14447404

I'll also add that

if you discarded the 3 you would be left with

3 sets of incomplete runs(23, 45, and 78) combined with the incomplete 34 pin

As you continue to draw tiles and completing those runs one by one, you end up not even using some of them.

The 3 9sou is considered complete in this case so it is left alone

2 6sou counts for pair

Keep 3man and potentially get another one and forth one.

Then if you get anther 3p or 4p and complete either 345 or 567, you can possibly go into tenpai with a wait for the 3rd 6sou which becomes a really good hand

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 14:52:46 2015 No.14447437 >>14447432 How is it usefull, though? So far I tend to agree with >>14447426 3m seems to be the least usefull tile to me as well.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 14:54:02 2015 No.14447441 >>14447418 Gogo please

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 14:54:55 2015 No.14447446 >>14447434 So what would you discard if you drew the the 3rd 3 after discarding the 8?

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 14:56:52 2015 No.14447452

>>14447426

Draw 3rd 3m

Discard 2m

Complete either 456 or 567 and discard whatever is leftover

Tenpai waiting for 2p/5p

Or if you draw a second 3p or 4p, you can go into tenpai wait for the third 6sou

This is about efficiency

If you throw the 3m you are left with a bunch of incomplete runs and it will take longer and you may not even use all of them for the final hand.

Throwing the 8m in this situation will give you the best speed for hand completion

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 14:59:18 2015 No.14447458 >>14447437 Because it can fill another set of 123 or 234 or 345 without "wasting" the other tiles around it. The 8 is just up there alone and as good as the 3

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:00:20 2015 No.14447462 >>14447458 *not as good

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:01:05 2015 No.14447464

>>14447452
>Discard 2m
>Complete either 456 or 567 and discard whatever is leftover
At this point you have 333457
You can complete this by drawing a 3 or 6 (5 outs)
If you keep the 8 you can complete this:
234578
by drawing a 6 or 9 (8 outs)

I don't see how the second option isn't superior.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:01:22 2015 No.14447466 >>14447434 3m discard uke-ire: 2,5p; 6,9m 8m discard uke-ire: 2,5p; 4,6m But we're already using one 4m so the 8m discard gives us 7 uke-ire while the 3m discard leaves us with 8 uke-ire.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:02:17 2015 No.14447470 >>14447458 And also useful as a pon. I mean come on the 8 is shit next to it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:02:19 2015 No.14447471 >>14447458 >The 8 is just up there alone But it isn't, it has the 7 and can complete a 789 run.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:03:34 2015 No.14447477 >>14447471 And the three can complete 123 234 345 and 333

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:03:36 2015 No.14447478 >>14447377 Do oyu have the source for this btw?

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:06:08 2015 No.14447492

>>14447464

Isn't it equal?

If you keep the 3m and the shape looks like

333457

You can either get a 4th 3m or complete either 456 or 567.

But with this, in this hand, having the potential for that 3rd 3m gives you the best value in the end whereas you might get no where otherwise but if you do it will be lower value

So it's not just efficiency but also best value considered

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:09:02 2015 No.14447503

>>14447477
But this takes one more turn it decreases your shanten.

>>14447492
>You can either get a 4th 3m or complete either 456 or 567.
The 3 has only one tile left, the 6 has 4 so you have outs.
The 6 and 9 both have 4 tiles left = 8 outs.

Also, in fact using a set of 3 would decrease your hand value as it would eliminate the chance for pinfu.

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:09:05 2015 No.14447504

>>14447470
Discarding either one gives us 1-shanten.
With the 3m discard we get 8 tiles that will make the hand reach tenpai, and with the 8m discard we get 7 tiles that will make the hand reach tenpai.

The 3m discard has one more effective tile i.e. it's a better discard.
see >>14447466

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:10:04 2015 No.14447507 >>14447503 *so you have 5 outs

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:13:54 2015 No.14447527 Could you guys pause the game for a minute? I want to go out and buy chocolate cookies and milk

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:15:11 2015 No.14447535 >>14447527 The fuck man? You can't wait 5 minutes?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:16:01 2015 No.14447542 >>14447535 NO I need the energy to beat you all!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:17:11 2015 No.14447549 >>14447527 You are free to go, I promise I won't peek at your tiles.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:23:15 2015 No.14447565 >>14447527 >cookies and milk Do people really eat this? I thought it was a marketing strategy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:23:50 2015 No.14447567 >No honors AT ALL, for anyone Shamefur dispray.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:26:03 2015 No.14447578 Get your cookies and make it quick.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:27:14 2015 No.14447583 What the fuck did Gogo do?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:28:30 2015 No.14447589 >>14447583 What didn't he do?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:28:30 2015 No.14447590 >>14447578 Everything is closed for some reason No winning for me today

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:31:38 2015 No.14447600 Come on we aren't even 1 full go-around in and there's 2 pons.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:34:07 2015 No.14447609 >>14447600 >north discards three norths one after another

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:34:12 2015 No.14447610 You guys started already? Fuck I wanted to play another.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:35:20 2015 No.14447615 >>14447610 Same here, this shit always happens to me. I go to the bathroom two seconds and when I come back it's always 0:4.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:39:50 2015 No.14447635 >>14447615 >>14447610 Just que up, multiple games can run at once and if you both join we'll have 3

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:40:58 2015 No.14447639 Fucking noname kyuukuyuyuyushi kyuuhais when I have a perfect starting hand.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:41:31 2015 No.14447641 >>14447635 But it's not the same people.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:58:40 2015 No.14447701 >Calling kan when someone has riichi'd How do you people even breathe?

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 15:59:02 2015 No.14447705

>>14447609
>Oh well I guess I won't get another one of my winds, I better make room for more useful tiles
>Oh shit I drew another one. If only I'd kept it for another turn. Well, no point in keeping this now
>Fuck

When I see discards like this I always feel so bad for the player
I mean, they're my enemy, but that shit is so frustrating

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 16:00:27 2015 No.14447714 File: 108 KB, 480x270, saki-5.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14447701 What if the kan brings you to tenpai and you win off a rinshan kaihou?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 16:00:54 2015 No.14447719 >>14447701 >not making a dora 4 comeback Found the coward

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 16:02:53 2015 No.14447730 Fufu, 1st place, not bad for my first game against humans ever.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 16:05:48 2015 No.14447744 >>14447600 This is what happens when you play with cute little girls. Pons everywhere.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 16:07:16 2015 No.14447747 Fuuuuck, I could've had a sanankou if I wasn't tempted by the delicious free sex button.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 16:08:10 2015 No.14447753 >>14447639 >kyuukuyuyuyushi kyuuhais I don't understand.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 16:13:16 2015 No.14447775 >>14447753 If you have 9 terminals in your starting hand you have the option to abort that round. I never do it because you can get a kokushi or some high yaku from all the other fags doing tanyaos

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 16:16:42 2015 No.14447790 >>14447775 I thought about it. The idea of getting a yakuman on my first game ever was tempting, but I didn't trust myself to not screw it up.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 16:17:11 2015 No.14447793 >>14447701 They have been watching too much Saki/Akagi

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 16:19:31 2015 No.14447801 3:4

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 16:21:40 2015 No.14447807 I deserved that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 16:25:31 2015 No.14447824 my prayer goes out to　わど

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 16:28:42 2015 No.14447839 >PLAYING A LIVE HONOR TILE

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 16:29:01 2015 No.14447842 Nice kan.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 16:32:12 2015 No.14447853 Nice dora.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 16:33:32 2015 No.14447858 And they say the flow isn't real

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 16:34:57 2015 No.14447872 File: 174 KB, 800x600, 0020.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] why don't you call some more tiles to stick up your asses fags

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 16:37:54 2015 No.14447879 GIMME DA PAA RENCHAN

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 16:46:27 2015 No.14447900 File: 63 KB, 301x311, 1424097962154.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14447744 Would you show your pons to a little girl?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 16:47:22 2015 No.14447905 >>14447900 Only if I get her Chis in return.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 16:48:20 2015 No.14447908 Damn that game was close

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 16:48:23 2015 No.14447909 File: 85 KB, 650x528, Present game, present round.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 17:00:29 2015 No.14447951 I riichi'd on a hell wait.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 17:02:13 2015 No.14447954 >>14447441 If I were Gogo I would've dealt it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 17:04:32 2015 No.14447957 Why do we play with red fives? Are red fives 12 extra tiles in the set?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 17:04:49 2015 No.14447959 2:0

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 17:05:52 2015 No.14447965

I wish mahjong manga didn't keep writing themselves into a corner.
No matter the author, they keep building up to a 'big fight', but they get there way too fast, so the author, realizing that after that single event nothing is going to top it, starts stretching it into infinity.

Happened with Akagi, happened with Saki, happened with Ten. The last one only saved itself because it had an already written ending.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 17:06:02 2015 No.14447966 >>14447957 They replace 3 normal 5p,m,s with 3 red ones.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 17:07:41 2015 No.14447972 >>14447966 Why only 3 instead of all 4?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 17:08:04 2015 No.14447975 >>14447965 >Washizu is still going on >Washizu isn't even the last arc

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 17:11:58 2015 No.14447986

>>14447972
I mean, every tile has four copies. Four copies of the 5m, four copies of the 5s, and four of 5p.

You only replace one of each with a red tile. So you have 3 normal fives and 1 red tile.

No one will ever use 12 red tiles because having 12 extra doras is a little bit too much.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 17:14:15 2015 No.14447990 FUCK, I accidentally passed that hatsu.

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 17:46:10 2015 No.14448095
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The more experienced I get in this game, the smaller role I feel skill plays as opposed to sheer luck.
I placed well in an online tournament recently, and have a deal-in rate in the low twenties, but it feels like even when I can analyze the table really well a lot of the action is left completely to fate.

I was really hyped about Mahjong when I first started learning and winning hands, but now it feels like even when I win it's as commendable as winning in rock-paper-scissor.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 17:59:21 2015 No.14448142 >>14448095 Maybe you should start playing Fast then.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 17:59:23 2015 No.14448143 File: 50 KB, 400x600, 400px-Nobuyuki_Fukumoto.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw all those god tier hands and draws I got that round >mfw my endless dealer turn >mfw people doubt The Flow

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 18:02:48 2015 No.14448160 I waited on south in south round and somebody actually dealt it, the absolute madman.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 18:07:17 2015 No.14448181 >>14448143 That was crazy. >>14448160 That person disconnected. I got the other south and broke up my hand because I figured someone was probably waiting on it. At least it ended Kuyashii's 5 honba dealer turn.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 18:11:50 2015 No.14448207 >>14448181 Is waiting on honors in late game a bad play, or is it always viable because people might deal it during riichi?

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 18:16:21 2015 No.14448223

>>14448207
Depends. If it's a live tile like south was I wouldn't expect anyone to deal it. If there's at least one in the pond and it's not the round wind it's possible. But if you aren't waiting on a pair, it would be a dead wait and there's no promising your winning tile isn't in the dead wall.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 18:17:21 2015 No.14448233 >>14448223 Hell wait, not dead wait.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 18:42:00 2015 No.14448320 >>14448095 Mahjong is all about stats. Winning a single game is mostly luck, having high ELO and dan ranks at 500+ games is skill.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 18:59:41 2015 No.14448379 Gogo wins once again. I love that guy, he's like the best ever.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 19:02:02 2015 No.14448384 How many points was my two kantsu hand worth again? Also, I'm starting to betaori in response to riichi.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 19:03:21 2015 No.14448386 >>14448379 It's time to stop posting, Gogo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 19:07:10 2015 No.14448398 >>14448386 B-but did you see my comeback? I was first, then ate a direct baiman and went last, but in the next round I was like "No" and baimaned their asses and was first again

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 19:49:44 2015 No.14448541

>>14448207
It's usually best to prioritize the number of tiles you wait on over anything else. Suji traps can be an exception, but this is irrelevant for pure honour tile waits. So just use the waits that gives you the most outs, if that means waiting on honour tiles, do it, otherwise don't.
The real question is rather when to call riichi and that is depenedent on a lot of factors, like your points, wait, chances to update the wait, state of your opponents hands, value of your hand, if you have other yaku or not etc.
It's a really important factor that can improve your playing a lot when you get a feeling for it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 20:22:20 2015 No.14448657 File: 395 KB, 728x620, tenhou.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14448398 I didn't notice that was you. Thanks for giving me second place. Also, I didn't even notice that I had 6 dora. I was only counting the 3 dora from the wind tiles.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 20:28:09 2015 No.14448669 >>14448657 Why would anyone discard east wind (dora) instead in that position?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 20:30:49 2015 No.14448678 >>14448669 because gogo play like he feels like and bullshit his way to victory

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 20:31:46 2015 No.14448685 >>14448669 Do not question gogo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 20:32:16 2015 No.14448689 >>14448669 Sometimes people are too stubborn to break up their tenpai. It happens to me occasionally. That coupled with the fact that he's in first, probably felt like he could get away with a direct hit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 20:32:34 2015 No.14448694 >>14420539 3.0

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 20:34:42 2015 No.14448702

>>14448689
He wasn't even in tenpai. He dealt a live dora yaku tile while not in tenpai against a hand with 3 open melds that was at the very least a dealer mangan. There are no excuses. And being in first plays actually makes it even worse, since there was no need to play offensively.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 20:37:41 2015 No.14448707 1:4 ;_;

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 20:39:26 2015 No.14448713 >>14448702 You gotta learn to live a little.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 20:39:41 2015 No.14448714 >>14448707 2:4

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 20:44:45 2015 No.14448731 >>14448713 gogo pls

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 20:46:15 2015 No.14448738 Someone end this already.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 21:04:24 2015 No.14448806 Really close to a daisangen there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 21:04:26 2015 No.14448807 >>14420539 baum, come one you had a daisangen

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 21:05:57 2015 No.14448812 >>14448806 then go all the way

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 21:14:12 2015 No.14448863 >>14448806 >>14448807 >>14448812 I was considering to go for it but I thought it's better to go the safe way. Damn, I should have risked it...

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 21:47:17 2015 No.14448999 >>14447377 It's exactly as the quote says. Count the ukeire for every shape. - Discard 8m -> 233457m -> ukeire are 146m - Discard 3m -> 234578m -> ukeire are 69m

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 21:51:55 2015 No.14449015 >>14448095 >deal-in rate in the low twenties Mate, that's really high. Like, REALLY high.

Anonymous Sat Dec 5 22:05:16 2015 No.14449061
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Another brutal dora hit, this time with uradora.

Ironically, this may have actually been bad for them. It made the game end earlier and they may have otherwise have been able to get first place instead of second.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 22:15:09 2015 No.14449097 >>14449061 Honestly, I wasn't expecting that hand to be worth that much. Also shouldn't have stayed damaten in the last round. Riichi + menzen tsumo would've been enough to reach first.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 22:24:10 2015 No.14449123 Why is chii restricted to only the player before you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 22:25:40 2015 No.14449129 >>14449123 Then the game would be nothing but pon palace and chi castle.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 22:27:08 2015 No.14449134 >>14449123 Skipping a player's turn is extremely powerful. Ponning to skip is dealer's turn is already extremely strong.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 23:09:14 2015 No.14449296 Has anyone ever done statistics on how often each yaku occurs in a winning hand?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 23:17:32 2015 No.14449337 >>14449296 Pretty sure Tenhou has stats on which hands happen the most frequently, I think it was even posted in one of the last threads but I couldn't find it for you

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 23:27:55 2015 No.14449370 >>14449296 http://tenhou.net/sc/prof.html

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 23:30:09 2015 No.14449376 >>14449370 >場風南 0.14849% What? I didn't think it was that rare.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 5 23:32:32 2015 No.14449382 >>14449376 You're looking at the tonpuusen stats. Click the radio buttons at the top.

Anonymous Sun Dec 6 00:21:30 2015 No.14449555

>Decide to play with japs for the first time
>Accidentally put myself in furiten for the first time ever
If I didn't manage second place anyway, I would have committed sudoku.

Also, there seems to be a lot more tsumo in japanese games compared to what I've played on 7447.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 00:42:54 2015 No.14449652 >>14447986 What about the first question; why is red fives so popular? Does it actually make the game better, or do people only play it to make the game more exciting?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 01:57:20 2015 No.14449904 I just had an 8 Dora Kan in a game but no one would deal into my hand. I still won but it would have been cool to get

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 02:35:08 2015 No.14450039 >>14449904 You should try to get a game with Gogo. He loves dealing into baiman.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 02:40:07 2015 No.14450050 >>14449904 I once got a quad in my opening hand and after I kan'd it it gave me 4 dora. Would've been sad if I messed it up but I won it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 02:41:40 2015 No.14450053 >>14450050 I guess you could say you tipped 4 dora.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 05:22:05 2015 No.14450413 >>14449555 7447 is REALLY offensive compared to the ranked lobby, leading to more rons and consequently less tsumos.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 05:26:56 2015 No.14450417 >>14450413 >REALLY offensive Well I mean it's 4chan lobby and all

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 05:33:16 2015 No.14450434 >>14450413 Well of course. I specifically play differently in 7447 because I don't have to worry about rank. It's a good way to relax and go for hands you normally wouldn't.

Anonymous Sun Dec 6 06:59:19 2015 No.14450690

>>14442711

After you play a lot of games, you kind of just get a gist of what tiles are dangerous by glancing over the discard ponds.

In Saki that's one of the shining points of one of the main characters. Green hair(forgot her name) would take off her glasses and she would see, in a blur, the discard pond and she would be able to recognize patterns she remembers from her own experiences but also her grandfather's from when she watched him play in the past.

Certain red flags

>discarding terminals/honors at the beginning is the norm so if someone is going against that norm they're either going for chanta or another hand that utilizes terminals/honors or their hand is very close to tenpai for whatever hand they received

>when someone calls a wind that is not their own wind or not the prevailing wind of that round, they either have no idea what they're doing or they're going for a quick chanta and possibly already have a guaranteed yaku from having at least 3 of either hatsu/haku/chun

>trust your initial gut feeling for what is safe to discard

>when there's a riichi going on, the best thing to do is to discard from a pair/triplet/quadruplet so that you can have more turns if the first one passes but this is only if you decide to be fully out and disassemble your hand

>don't fucking play live honors or dora tiles late in the game

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 07:25:41 2015 No.14450752 >>14449652 because life isn't an anime and we need mora dora otherwise even baimans would be impossible

Anonymous Sun Dec 6 07:34:17 2015 No.14450765

>>14450690
Good post but discarding live honour against a riichi is usually still better than discarding other live tiles. Don't be that afraid of live honour tiles. They can only be dangerous against shanpon or tanki, unlike other tiles that are dangerous against the much more common ryanmen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 07:40:22 2015 No.14450773 >>14450765 You risk the chance of giving them another yaku. Why do that?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 07:43:31 2015 No.14450783 >>14450690 >quick chanta Or hon itsu. I see that 10x more than I see chanta.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 07:51:59 2015 No.14450804 >>14450783 That's because chanta sucks to get unless you draw a very particular starting hand and is almost impossible to get without opening your hand meaning it's only worth 1 Han

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 07:53:33 2015 No.14450811 >>14450783 Chanta is gay. Should be worth more considering how difficult it is to complete.

Anonymous Sun Dec 6 07:55:09 2015 No.14450817

>>14450773
Because it is less likely to complete their hand.
Ryanmen is the most dangerous non-complex wait. First you should try to minimize the chance to deal into such a wait. Also a middle might as well give them tanayo, so it can give them a yaku just as well as a yaku tile.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 08:12:10 2015 No.14450864 File: 143 KB, 479x390, Whatstheworstthatcouldhappen.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14450817 For the most part, I agree with you, but sometimes I see things like this when playing, and it makes me wonder.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 08:17:04 2015 No.14450879 >>14450864 Shit happens, running into 3 uro-dora is just unlucky.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 08:19:36 2015 No.14450886 >>14450879 >uro-dora I can't type today.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 08:30:47 2015 No.14450926 >>14450879 Even without uro-dora, it was still the difference between baiman and haneman. He was getting killed way, but that isn't the point.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 08:33:25 2015 No.14450934 >>14450926 You couldn't know about the dora and aka dora as well, or at least it didn't have any effect on the decision to play south.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 08:36:38 2015 No.14450945 >>14450864 It takes a special kind of retard to deal into a live south tile when the person who riichi'd has the south seat and the round seat is south.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 08:42:42 2015 No.14450966 >>14450945 Again, this is wrong. Playing live yaku tiles is perfectly fine if you don't have any safer tiles. And any non-suji tile IS less safe then a live yaku.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 08:44:43 2015 No.14450975 >>14450945 The round seat is South, anybody could have had a South pair. And do you really think a guy who just riichi-ed on his third turn would be waiting on one?

Anonymous Sun Dec 6 08:59:53 2015 No.14451051
File: 436 KB, 735x625, Disprovethisbattler.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>14450934
>>14450966
That isn't the point either. In his situation, it's still 2 han he's risking here.. He had 2700 points. If that hit, no matter how good or shitty the hand was, he'd die. Also, he had safe tiles. He chose to play offensively and went out in a blaze of glory.

>>14450975
>And do you really think a guy who just riichi-ed on his third turn would be waiting on one?

I'd actually be more wary of one simply because it's the third turn. I've seen quite a few quick Chi tsu hands waiting on an honor tile.

Anonymous Sun Dec 6 09:14:04 2015 No.14451091

>>14451051
And how were we supposed to know about his other ties from the former screenshot?
If we are supposed to take the whole hand and points into account you have to post those ;)
My point was simply that discarding a live honour tile against a riichi is by no means always bad, because that was what some people said here.
Also, the guy was in tenpai himself and in last place. No point in defending there, just attack.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 09:18:26 2015 No.14451109 File: 1.03 MB, 500x500, 1427649495312.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >open up a concealed kan >new dora are the tiles I opened >dora 4 >someone wins with a 2000 point hand two draws later

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 09:19:00 2015 No.14451112 >>14451051 >Also, he had safe tiles. Everyone who would not discard south in that situation is a scrub who watched too much Akagi. He has only 2700 points. He is in the last place. It's south 2nd round. He's in fucking tenpai.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 09:23:15 2015 No.14451124 File: 719 KB, 962x1400, high on mahjong.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >declare riichi >god knows why, but someone kans right after >dora 4 >they deal the useless tile they got from the dead wall >ron off that tile, direct hit dealer baiman

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 09:24:06 2015 No.14451125 >>14451112 not him but yeah you're right, I'd probably discard the south there but then I'd feel immense regret immediately after getting destroyed afterward even though I knew it was a dumb tile to play in that situation

Anonymous Sun Dec 6 10:08:05 2015 No.14451275
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>>14451109
>2nd place by 20k points in south 4th
>Close Kan because I'm feeling it and I want to win
>AH YEAH, 4 MORE DORA. I'VE GOT THE FLOW. ARE YOU SWEATING YET FAGGOT? DO YOU FEEL THE FEAR YE- Riichi!
>Guy in last calls Riichi
>A person in deep last doesn't feel the fear
>Fuck you, this is my table now.
>Riichi on my next draw.
>First place deals a tile dangerous against both of us.
>Last place calls ron
>Riichi Ippatsu 2000 points
>He's still in last

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 10:27:19 2015 No.14451368 File: 138 KB, 350x350, images.duckduckgo.com.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14450053

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 10:28:26 2015 No.14451373 >>14446622 >>14450053 NOT AGAIN

Anonymous Sun Dec 6 11:02:57 2015 No.14451527

>>14450690
http://osamuko.com/basic-defense-techniques-in-mahjong/
It's pretty much summed up here. I think that discarding an honor tile is better than discarding an equally as dangerous middle tile considering the potential yakus that can result from the hand. A middle tile can end up as a tanyao/pinfu while an honor tile can only give a yakuhai possibly or some dora.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 11:23:08 2015 No.14451600 File: 502 KB, 973x1400, img000020.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >just threw away my win in South 4 because I thought it'd be a good idea to toss out the Dora right after the dealer riichi'd

Anonymous Sun Dec 6 16:21:04 2015 No.14452847

On one hand, people will avoid waiting on honors because it's so obvious.
On the other hand, people will deal honors because they think that nobody will wait on honors.
Which in turn makes it viable to wait on honors.
But if you know that, then you WON'T deal honors.

Anonymous Sun Dec 6 17:07:51 2015 No.14452993

>>14452847
Waiting for honors is almost always a bad wait. It doesn't matter how obvious or not your wait, because you should always expect to win mostly from tsumos. I don't remember the numbers, but at professional level tsumos are the main type of wining hands. As soon as you delcare riichi all other players will go instantly in full defense mode.
If a players chooses to give up on his hand he will start discarding completely safe tiles first, then sujis and stuff and only then terminals and honors (and only if they see at least one of them in discards). Basically your honor tile will be still at the end of the discard queue.
If a player continues playing offensively, he will discard almost any tile and it doesn't matter if it's a honor or a 4-5-6.

If you're waiting for honor it's either a tanki wait to complete your pair (3 tiles) or dual pon wait (4 tiles). Both of these waits suck and have shitty chance of getting tsumo. You should go for honor wait only if you have no other choice or you have a chiitoitsu hand.

You can check youtube, they have shitton of mahjong tournament videos. Even if you don't know japanese you should still see how defensive all players.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 17:24:36 2015 No.14453072 >>14452993 What are the "skill" plays in serious mahhjong? It seems like everyone would use the same general playstyle and any deviation would reveal a ton of information about somebody's hand.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 18:50:16 2015 No.14453430 2:0

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 18:59:24 2015 No.14453462 >>14453430 GOD DAMMIT I was too late. Food is getting in the way of mahjong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 19:01:53 2015 No.14453470 >that fucking uradora

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 19:14:58 2015 No.14453519 Should have discarded the dragon. He could have gotten all 9 pins and double ron'd that guy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 19:31:22 2015 No.14453555 3:4!! .. 4 ._ ._

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 20:00:01 2015 No.14453687 LOL SEVEN PAIRS Also, I actually tried for chanta in that one round.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 20:18:09 2015 No.14453762 >>14453072 I guess most of the difference is in the hand formation and in the discarding of tiles. In high levels you don't really expect anything out of the ballpark, but it's still wonderful to watch how masterful they dodge hands.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 20:19:14 2015 No.14453770 ２：０

Anonymous Sun Dec 6 20:23:33 2015 No.14453785
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This is the chanta tenpai in question. Was I bad for going for it?

Also, forget to mention the aborted draw in that game when everyone discarded east. That was pretty funny and we almost did it AGAIN the next game.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 20:36:28 2015 No.14453833 File: 126 KB, 665x614, ss+(2015-12-06+at+05.36.26).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Getting knocked out by no ten penalty Fucking keked

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 20:40:34 2015 No.14453852 File: 402 KB, 1366x644, Screenshot from 2015-12-06 19:39:23.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] GOGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 20:41:05 2015 No.14453856 >>14453833 >failing to take back first place because an idiot got knocked out Who is the real kek here? Is there a variation where people switch to 3p and continue playing after somebody goes negative?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 20:43:01 2015 No.14453864 >>14453852 >playing with gogo

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 20:51:18 2015 No.14453904 File: 84 KB, 1280x720, 1414810803703.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14453852

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 20:53:55 2015 No.14453909 Is calling somebody a slut for using open tanyao just a /jp/a/ thing, or do people in japan think that way too?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 21:06:38 2015 No.14453966 >>14453909 >japanese_man_angrily_disarming_his_hand.gif

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 21:19:46 2015 No.14454018 N I N E

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 21:26:57 2015 No.14454043 >>14453966 Oh right, I remember that now. Is that video subbed and available anywhere?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 21:30:16 2015 No.14454055 gogo :(

Anonymous Sun Dec 6 21:32:24 2015 No.14454062

>>14453072
Aside from the basic skillset of tile efficiency and defense, skill in mahjong mostly comes down to situational awareness and judgment. What round is it? How many points does everyone have? What should my goal for this round be? How do I balance the speed and value of my hand to achieve that goal? What turn is it? What are my opponents' goals, and how are their hands progressing towards those goals?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 21:42:26 2015 No.14454108 File: 83 KB, 708x707, 1448550303126.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >that fucking triple ura-dora Good game guys

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 21:46:19 2015 No.14454126 >>14454108 Good game dude. I just didn't want to give up my 2 dora chinitsu even if it was obvious as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 21:47:14 2015 No.14454131 >>14453852 So how much is that hand worth? I'd guess iipeikou 2 chinitsu 6 What else I'm missing? Maybe another iipeikou because of the 789?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 21:52:28 2015 No.14454155 >>14454131 Iipeikou is worth 1 han. That hand waits on 369478p. 36p gives pinfu, 69p gives iipeikou. 6p would therefore be chinitsu pinfu iipeikou for an eight han baiman.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 21:54:03 2015 No.14454162 >>14454155 Wait nevermind, there's no pinfu in any case.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 6 21:56:38 2015 No.14454178 >>14454131 No the 789 wouldn't count because it's not a run it's 2 triples and a pair, if it were to draw an 8 for an iipeikou he would have a left over 7 and 9 unless it's interpreted that way Still the hand was Haneman or Baiman if he riichi'd

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 7 00:41:15 2015 No.14454726 File: 70 KB, 400x427, 1331513866927.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >play in 7447 >always first or second >play on 0 >always last The sand in the depths of tenhou is magical sand

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 7 00:44:07 2015 No.14454740 >>14454726 The first time I ever accidentally put myself in furiten was when I first played in 0000. Luckily, I still manged to get second.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 7 00:45:28 2015 No.14454747 >>14454726 I usually do well in the general lobbies but when I could play in it I got consecutive ass kickings in the Dan lobby and got demoted.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 7 00:59:36 2015 No.14454809 >>14454747 I started my ranked games in the dan lobby by getting 4 straight 4th places. The feeling was horrible.

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