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Anonymous Tue Mar 4 21:42:28 2008 No.141875 [Reply] [Original]

So I finally got around to playing Tsukihime and finished Arcueid's route last night. Do I have to do Ciel's route before I can do Akiha's or the maid's to get the most out of the story? I don't really like Ciel that much. I probably have to finish her route before I can even play Akiha's anyways though right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 21:44:37 2008 No.141886 I didn't finish Ciel's story and started playing. Kagetsu Tohya. I am now playing Ciel's route.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 21:44:56 2008 No.141881 Not right. I played Arc first, then Hisui, then Akiha, then Ciel and Kohaku.

>>	Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo Tue Mar 4 21:44:56 2008 No.141880 No. The Near Side was unlocked when you finished Arcueid's route. Ciel True End is nice, but you don't have to play it, heretic. You'll miss out on a good bit of story related to Roa, though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 21:46:06 2008 No.141896 Okay, thanks. I'm probably gonna do Hisui's route then

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 21:48:15 2008 No.141903 >>141896 I believe that Akiha's route is mandatory to unlock the maids. I'm not 100% sure though.

>>	Justin_Brett !!bI9Og0Zd5kB Tue Mar 4 21:49:26 2008 No.141913 Ciel's Good End is BEST END. Her True End is meh.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 21:50:31 2008 No.141919 >>141903 I guess an Akiha is fine too

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 21:51:51 2008 No.141921 >>141903 Truth. >>141913 Also truth.

>>	Justin_Brett !!bI9Og0Zd5kB Tue Mar 4 21:55:41 2008 No.141941 Also, if you play Ciel's Route, your opinion of Ciel will fluctuate like a fucking Gieger Counter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 21:56:55 2008 No.141944 I guess I'm just gonna do Ciel's since I already started it anyway. You guys better not be kidding about her ending being the BEST END

>>	Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo Tue Mar 4 21:57:54 2008 No.141949 >>141913 Her Good End made me want to kill Nasu. True End is the only Ciel ending.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 22:05:40 2008 No.141992 I'm liking Ciel better already

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 22:07:02 2008 No.142000 >>141881 I played: Arcuied>Ciel>Hisui>Akiha>Kohaku I must say I honestly forgot Ciel End.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 22:07:55 2008 No.141998 I'm actually confused about the True/Good end stuff. Which one is the one where Arcueid leaves for good?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 22:08:05 2008 No.142005 >>141998 Arc's TRUE END

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 22:17:16 2008 No.142046 >>142005 THAT's the one where Ciel carries Shiki away into the sunset after a godawfully romantic scene?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 22:19:55 2008 No.142057 >>142046 That's Ciel's True end.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 22:24:35 2008 No.142083 >>141875 You should of done Ciel's route first. Arc route is boring and fail.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 22:25:19 2008 No.142086 dunno, never played ciel's route. curry bitch etc but I also couldn't ever bring myself to forget about arcueid whenever on Near Side of the Moon

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 22:29:36 2008 No.142105 >>142083 but I liked Arcueid

Anonymous Tue Mar 4 22:36:47 2008 No.142132
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>>142083
Chiel is stupid and ugly. Her personality is the same as the one of a grumpy bull and she acts like she is a cross between a horse and a deer.

Also, worst route is Chiel's route by far. It has no real redeeming features other than when Arcueid beats the shit out of her and attacks Shiki in a maddened rage.

And Shiki acts like he's Shirou in the last half of Chiel's route aswell.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 22:43:02 2008 No.142160 File: 37 KB, 630x469, 1204670582449.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] She is cute.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 22:43:28 2008 No.142163 >>142132 It also has some of the best Shiki moments in terms of acting crazy and the last few scenes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 22:45:02 2008 No.142173 File: 368 KB, 1024x1456, 1204670702638.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>142160 No she isn't.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 22:47:31 2008 No.142190 Concerned, she draws closer to my bed. To my/TO MY, body/BODY, her face/HER FORM, draws closer/INVITES ME in.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 22:48:22 2008 No.142196 >>142173 Atarifag, your character is the worst of all of them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 22:49:47 2008 No.142206 File: 47 KB, 400x468, 1204670987762.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>142196 I'm just using Arcade as a reference because she's the one that always makes fun of her.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 22:51:17 2008 No.142217 Hisui > Akiha > Kohaku > Ciel > Porkslope

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 22:55:20 2008 No.142243 >>142217 Her nicknames are Atari Dumbledore and Arcade Bumstead mister newfag.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 22:55:46 2008 No.142246 >>142196 More like Ciel is

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 22:59:24 2008 No.142269 >>142217 ... seriously. besides: arc>kohaku>akiha>hisui>ciel.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:02:27 2008 No.142285 >>142269 She's a bitch, and she has the worst arc. What's her appeal?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:03:28 2008 No.142294 >>142285 Chiel? Only the glasses fetish.

>>	Eurofag !ZGDkLBXQ0Y Tue Mar 4 23:05:16 2008 No.142306 I kinda liked Ciel, even if her route is weaker than the rest. And not even for the glasses. Wasn't Sacchin more popular than Ciel?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:06:14 2008 No.142313 Is the THIS CHAIR scene in the far-side routes? That's what made me want to play this game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:06:42 2008 No.142317 File: 455 KB, 1024x1456, 1204672002877.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>142306

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:07:08 2008 No.142323 >>142313 Hisui

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:07:27 2008 No.142327 >>142294 Curryass is pretty shit too, but at least her path is better than Arcueids.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:08:02 2008 No.142332 >>142313 It's on near-side as well

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:08:58 2008 No.142330 >>142323 Thanks

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:09:04 2008 No.142339 >>142332 I guess I missed it when I played Arc's route, then

Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:09:15 2008 No.142338
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Is it wrong that my favorite endings are Akiha's half a dozen BAD ENDs at the end of her route? It seems so much more appropriate when Shiki mercy-kills Akiha after she's turned into a demon, especially when the actual endings are him becoming a twisted wreck of a man or becoming an hero.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:11:05 2008 No.142345 File: 65 KB, 600x600, 1204672265999.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>142338 In Akiha's true end Shiki lives, possibly saved by either curry ass or Atari Dumbledore.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:12:14 2008 No.142354 >>142345 I don't remember that part. Wasn't the true end when Shiki killed himself to give Akiha her stolen life force back, then she found his knife a few days later and got a warm fuzzy feeling?

Eurofag !ZGDkLBXQ0Y Tue Mar 4 23:14:01 2008 No.142365

>>142345
I don't know why, I consider the extra for Akiha's route in KT as non-canon.

It seems too easy to me. Even if Shiki didn't stab a dot, he still cut himself in two in the fucking chest.

You should have two bloody half of Shiki, even christian magic (*dudududum*dudududum*) shouldn't be able to save him.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:14:15 2008 No.142368 >>142338 thats the ending that I got first. It was a really fitting end.

>>	Eurofag !ZGDkLBXQ0Y Tue Mar 4 23:15:14 2008 No.142372 >>142365 But in the same time, I like to take Hisui Good End as the real one... Where Shiki uses his hax to the max to stab poison in veins, lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:15:23 2008 No.142373 >>142345 is referring to the follow up scenario in Kagetsu Tohya. I get confused as to how much that counts as canon. Nasuniverse is weird like that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:17:20 2008 No.142381 >>142372 Shiki does shit like that all the time, like when he stabs the vampire blood in him after Sacchin bites him. Isn't it sad, Sacchin? ;_;

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:17:44 2008 No.142386 >>142365 When Shiki goes for lines and points it doesn't create a physical wound.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:17:53 2008 No.142379 >>142345 Well, it was open-ended to say the least, but from the translation it heavily implied that he was alive somehow, if barely. MANLY TEARS ANYWAY.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:18:06 2008 No.142389 >>142373 EVERYTHING IS CANON IN THE NASUVERSE!

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:18:47 2008 No.142394 >>142365 Nah, hitting points does nothing physically.

Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:20:05 2008 No.142405

>>142354
He does stab himself and give back Akiha's life and after SHIKI died he didn't have any use for it either since Akiha just ate him instead of using her powers to kill him. But most fans speculate that he lives through the ordeal somehow due to the complete lack of a body which he would leave behind when he died. Akiha also mentions that she knows that he is alive somewhere, which she might be able to feel with all the lifeforce trading.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:20:44 2008 No.142409 Isn't there a recommended order, like, Arc-->Ciel-->Akiha-->Hisui-->Kohaku?

>>	Eurofag !ZGDkLBXQ0Y Tue Mar 4 23:21:08 2008 No.142411 >>142394 Well, Nero didn't have the luck to have a corpse...

Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:24:18 2008 No.142427

>>142405
Oh and I forgot to mention that Arcueid saved him before with part of Roa, whom of which she has probably killed. And she or Ciel might've been able to "feel" Roa when SHIKI fought Shiki.

Lots of things could've happened to save him, if he needed to be saved at all.

Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:26:12 2008 No.142440

>>142411
Let me be more specific.
It Hitting a point wouldn't cause you to break into pieces or fall apart. It ends the meaning or existence. In Nrvnqsr's case his Ultimate form gave Shiki the chance to kill all of the remaining Nrvnqsr in one shot. However the other parts of him that were seperated by line cutting remained because they were already killed off of him and weren't forcibly rejoined.

Or hell vampires don't leave traces anyway. Luckily or unluckily Shiki hasn't pierced humans, except himself, so take this how you will.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:26:44 2008 No.142442 >>142409 Either Arc or Ciel HAVE to be done first, otherwise to unlock the other three. Hisui has to be done before Kohaku. Other than that, there's no order.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:28:00 2008 No.142448 File: 472 KB, 1120x1600, 1204673280653.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>142411 He's a vampire. Vampires don't leave corpses.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:31:10 2008 No.142464 >>142448 I don't want to nitpick semantics in a long-since translation, but wouldn't calling them "ghouls" be better than just calling them "deads?" or is there a connotation lacking?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:33:06 2008 No.142480 >>142464 Ghouls, deads, who cares? They do the same.

>>	Eurofag !ZGDkLBXQ0Y Tue Mar 4 23:34:13 2008 No.142488 >>142440 Wouldn't stab a dot on a normal person leave a soulless body?

>>	Eurofag !ZGDkLBXQ0Y Tue Mar 4 23:34:27 2008 No.142490 >>142440 Wouldn't stab a dot on a normal person leave a soulless body? Akiha... Enjoy your vegetable oniisan.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:37:02 2008 No.142504 >>142405 Ciel takes him away, then some time later delivers a letter to Akiha at school saying she'll bring him back. I think it's in one of the KT stories

Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:37:21 2008 No.142506

>>142490
It basically removes the meaning of your life to the world. Which means the world will see you as an irregularity and terminate you like a Reality Marble. But since he kills the life then it's your life that disappears and not the body.

Last line added since it might otherwise confuse you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:37:37 2008 No.142509 >>142490 You know she would. At least yandere Akiha would.

Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:37:51 2008 No.142503

>>142488
It basically removes the meaning of your life to the world. Which means the world will see you as an irregularity and terminate you like a Reality Marble. But since he kills the life then it's your life that disappears and not the body.

Last line added since it might otherwise confuse you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:38:12 2008 No.142512 >>142409 Yes, that's the suggested gameplay order.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:45:00 2008 No.142562 >>142506 Oh and Shiki technically has 2 lives when he stabs himself in the true end. His own full life force which came back after SHIKI died and half of Akiha's.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:47:46 2008 No.142582 File: 385 KB, 640x480, 1204674466356.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>142160

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:48:37 2008 No.142594 >>142582 She looks at least 30 years old.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:50:31 2008 No.142609 >>142594 She's older than 30.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:50:44 2008 No.142610 File: 7 KB, 200x205, 1204674644333.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>142562

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:51:30 2008 No.142614 >>142609 She stopped aging after she was taken over by Roa.

Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo Tue Mar 4 23:52:53 2008 No.142617

>>142490
Dots don't work like that. Shiki destroys the concept of an object.

Think of a chair. A chair has a physical location and existence. None of those two attributes matter. Shiki destroys the very idea of the chair's existence, its overall specific concept.

The chair doesn't fall apart because it's been broken, but because there's no point to being held together anymore. The "chair" just ceases to exist as a concept.

I suppose Shiki could dot someone's soul, but if an important concept of a person is destroyed, like their soul, they may just die anyway. It's the same reason Shiki can't "kill" vampirism: it's the intricate part of the existence of a vampiric human. You destroy the vampire concept of a vampiric human and they die because they now lack it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:54:57 2008 No.142625 >>142617 I liked >>142506 's explanation more.

Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:56:53 2008 No.142635

>>142617
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>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:57:12 2008 No.142640 File: 49 KB, 190x178, 1204675032488.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>142635

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 4 23:57:31 2008 No.142644 I like all characters the same. Am I an idort?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 5 00:01:27 2008 No.142667 >>142644 Very yes.

Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo Wed Mar 5 00:03:40 2008 No.142683

>>142625
But it's wrong.

>It basically removes the meaning of your life to the world.
Sort of right. It destroys the concept of your existence. Dying is merely an after effect.

>Which means the world will see you as an irregularity and terminate you like a Reality Marble.
Er, no. When you're dotted, you simply start falling apart. There's no direct canon, but since things like Nero take a little bit to fall apart after being dotted (lol, monologue), destruction of concept might take time for a more powerful concept. But it's the process of a concept's destruction and return to Akasha. Za World (Gaia) doesn't have anything to do with it.

>But since he kills the life then it's your life that disappears and not the body.
Doesn't kill the life. That's what SHIKI did, was attack the source of vitality. Shiki destroys the concept, and life ends because the concept no longer exists.

Imagine a car that's rolling. Suddenly, everything that makes it a "car" just disappears. Every piece of the car falls apart simultaneously. The car has stopped after crashing to the ground.

The stopping and crashing to the ground is just an after affect of the entire car's end, though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 5 00:15:28 2008 No.142740 If an object's "concept" is destroyed, shouldn't it disintegrate instead of falling apart in neat clean pieces? lol Nasu

Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo Wed Mar 5 00:17:38 2008 No.142752

>>142740
Depends. Vampires disintegrate when killed, so that's fairly easy to write off as an after effect. When Shiki dots inanimate objects, though, it seems to activate every line all at once and everything falls to pieces.

lol Nasu, indeed.

Anonymous Wed Mar 5 00:25:55 2008 No.142777

>>142594
>>142609
Ciel's only 26 by the time she meets Shiki.

>>142740
It depends on the concept, but it seems that whatever Shiki stabs, is broken or shattered if you will.

If he ends the existence of someone's life, then only the life and soul should be disintegrated. The body can and should remain, though lifeless.

>>	MySQLconnectionsuccess !0vQ8k.N6XM Wed Mar 5 00:32:58 2008 No.142835 >>142740 I believe that it works like this: if you take that car example, the car idea will disappear but it's parts still hold meaning. Like, the concept of the wheels wasn't destroyed, only the concept of the car.

Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo Wed Mar 5 00:40:26 2008 No.142890

>>142835
Hm, but the parts that fall under lines where the car's concept is easiest to destroy (lines of death) will still be broken along those lines.

It's a weird idea.

>If he ends the existence of someone's life, then only the life and soul should be disintegrated.

I'm not sure you can distinguish between the life and the body when one is tied to the other. The concept of "the living existence of this body" and "the body" might be the same thing, since "life" is the functioning of body parts themselves.

The concept has to be real and tangible before it can be destroyed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 5 00:42:27 2008 No.142906 File: 85 KB, 749x558, 1204677747253.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>142835 >>142752 >>142683

>>	Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo Wed Mar 5 00:48:26 2008 No.142959 >>142906 But I'm not a hikki. I attend a university and am enrolled in an undergraduate program.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 5 00:49:08 2008 No.142964 >>142959 >attend a university >Alabama

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 5 00:50:25 2008 No.142981 >>142964 >tripfag Fixed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 5 01:17:29 2008 No.143186 Kohaku > Hisui > Akiha > Arcueid > Ciel

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