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I'm usually very impartial to the "2hu is dead" crowd, but only after replaying IN today did I realized how different the newer installments are from the old ones. Even though the graphic is shinier, and the music is still full of ZUNpet, I couldnt feel the same kind of excitement when clearing the game anymore. The newer games feel as if I'm playing some doujin stg or something. All the charms are gone.
What has changed /jp/?

>> No.14061132

>>14061093
Nothing's changed, you just prefer the old games to the new ones.

>> No.14061156

>>14061093
Does it feel nice to have an opinion?

Because it's just yours.

>> No.14061169

the newer games have too much plot for me

>> No.14061193

>>14061093
Never felt like this even thought i do preffer the classic windows trilogy. And even thought LoLK was a bit underwelming for me, DDC was extremely good.

>> No.14061242

>>14061169
>>14061193
DDC and LoLK still have some interesting characters and good tracks, but it felt like ZUN was trying too hard too write a serious story.Whimsical overpowered mythical beings fucking with people lives is what made touhou fun in the first place.

>> No.14061256

>>14061242
Just stop, DDC and LoLK are less serious than expected.

One is a rebellion and the other is invasion, yet both are still lighthearted and wacky as fuck.

>> No.14061316

>>14061256
like every single touhou game that isn't 1-5?

>> No.14061319

>>14061169
So you stopped at PCB?
Because IN still takes the cake.

>> No.14061337

>>14061319
Eirin was just borrowing the moon for a night, she was gonna give it back.

I also give it a pass because I really liked ZUN's take on the story of Kaguya-hime.

>> No.14061362

>>14061337
IN and PCB both have mucho plot.

>> No.14061372

>>14061337
>I also give it a pass because I really liked ZUN's take on the story of Kaguya-hime
But isn't it the exact same thing as the outside world's myth?

>> No.14061394

Just for the record, I'm not OP.

>>14061362
PCB and IN seem to me to have this traditional Japanese folklore/aesthetic/basis to me which I like. The religion games are interpretations of history, which I don't like as much. LoLK has characters based in tradition, but the story... I don't know.

>>14061372
Well, there's a little more to it there.

>> No.14061403

>>14061394
Not the point, the point is that they all have plot.

And LoLK is based on jap and chink myth mostly.

>> No.14061416

>>14061403
I posted >>14061169. It's hard to explain what I mean. The magnitude of the plot in LoLK seems way larger, in the sense that it seems like more of a wholly original plot and seemed like it could truly warp the nature Gensokyo.

Red mist is just, like, red mist, and the moon was coming back in the morning.

>> No.14061425

>>14061416
Red mist can kill Gensokyo if it goes on, the fake moon was driving the youkai crazy and Yukari froze the night.

LoLK is larger in scope but in the end because it's a continuation of IN, SSiB but in the end it's still wacky with some seriousness.

>> No.14061527

I liked LoLK more than SA and UFO at least.

>> No.14061540

>>14061093
>The newer games feel as if I'm playing some doujin stg or something.

That's probably because you are playing a doujin stg.

>> No.14062887

Because the series is Touhou not Cola Duty.

>> No.14063010

>>14061093
i didn't care for ddc, the point device gimmick was the only thing that revitalized my interest in the series. i agree with you, though, too many people have started copying the zun style for their own danfuku fangames, it doesn't feel as unique anymore. the newhous feel weird and forced at first, like fan characters. I think I'm just more emotionally attached to the old cast

>> No.14063030

ZUN ran out of good danmaku ideas several years ago.

>> No.14063219

IN is shit though. Try EoSD and PCB.

>> No.14064385

Are they really that different? They feel more polished, but not really that different...
It has been evolving, of course if you compare them specially against something like IN. In fact, ZUN felt he was going in the wrong direction with IN and kind of rebooted with MoF.
My favorite is still SA, even though I played all the previous ones first.
I think you just have nostalgia googles, LoLK has a truckload of charm, so does UFO and to a lesser degree DDC and TD. I feel the first half of TD is pretty great, and so is the second half of DDC and most importantly it spawned ISC which is really fun.
TD is the one that feels the most bland, but it's because it was so easy, I 1cced it on normal on my second try so I didn't feel the need to come back and the characters/plot/music never had the time to stick to me.
Of course, if you add up nostalgia, 20000000000000000000000 doujins/threads/videos/arranges of the old games, you're going to come back and feel they're more special...

>> No.14064390

>>14064385
Forgot to mention Great Fairy Wars, if that doesn't have charm I don't know what does, and it doesn't even have ZUN drawing the art (I wish)

>> No.14064510

>>14064385
As someone who got into properly playing the Touhou games to 1cc them, I started with TD because of its reputable ease, and boy did it grow on me.
I wouldn't say it's my favourite, but it's still quite enjoyable with its Desire Drive, Futo poses and almost cliche dialogue for the final boss.

Though I think the pointdevice mode on LoLK really ruins the tempo I'm used to, stage 5 felt plenty final already, and then you're left with stage 6 with simple looking spell cards that take a bunch of tries to complete, it doesn't give you that final boss emotional rush compared to something like PCB or DDC.

>> No.14064562

ZUN seems so focused on general mechanics and not on character diversity, I want reasons to use Marisa over Sanae besides power, that kind of variety made PCB such fun. I also wish he would put more options in the options menu,

>> No.14064600

I don't like the newer games because I liked getting lives from collecting a certain amount of items instead of having them distributed in some other weird way.

I also dislike the power percentages for some reason, probably because I'm still bothered by the games that drained your percentages for using bombs.

>> No.14064659

>>14064600
I wish point items could return, collecting stuff at full power is useless in survival currently

>> No.14064938

>>14061132
>>14061156
this is what tumblr believes.

>> No.14065534

The newer games are harder, try getting good :^)

I noticed this, too, but once you get used to the increasing difficulty, the new games are great

>> No.14065578

>>14065534
>I noticed this, too, but once you get used to the increasing difficulty, the new games are great
This. Sometimes I think that some of the people who prefer the original trilogy over any of the games that came afterwards are shitters who can't get past Yuugi or are too stupid to collect the UFOs.

>> No.14065829

They are indeed different, but not in a bad way I think.
6-8 are classic. They spawned multiple songs that will be alive for the next decade.
10-12 are also good enough, 11 and 12 are harder than the rest (Except for LoLK legacy), they have good music too. It is clear that after PoFV, Zun changed the direction of the game, tried new styles of music (read, Nuclear Fusion, Captain Murasa etc). He also added multiple new sprites for bullets and mobs.
12.8 is fucking great. It has the best graphics (I mean sprites and bullets, the portrait is not drawn by ZUN).
13 is so-so but it is not that bad either. It's friendly for new people.
14 is nothing like the previous ones, I must say. But it is a fun game and has good music. The thing is that after 13 and kancolle, people stopped caring about touhou as much as before, hence less music, less impacting doujin, less fan arts etc. And of course you are not attached to the characters in 13-14-15 as much as the ones in 6-8 because you have met them a fuck lots.
15 is fucking great. It is rushed at some points but generally I like the characters, it's pretty ZUN-ish. The music is also great (except for Hecatia).
In the end, ZUN doesn't give a shit about what fan thinks and do what he want with his game (Junko's junky spellcards).
I think that you just like the old characters too much to except new ones. When Okuu comes out, people shit on her a lot too.

>> No.14065840

>>14061169

That's secondary talk!

>> No.14065887

I must be one of the few who didn't like LoLK at all.
The thing feels so gimmicky and the cast so uninspired.
It felt like a pretty big letdown, especially after something so good like DDC.

>> No.14065909

>>14065887
What? I think LoLK is better than DDC. But in the end they are opinions. Anyone has their best 2hu game and worst 2hu game anyway.

>> No.14065919

>>14065887
But Clownpiece is pretty great. Her dialogue is fun enough.
What is so gimmicky anyway?

>> No.14065924

>>14061416
>and the moon was coming back in the morning.
Nope, IN's neutral endings show that Eirin was lying, and she never returns the true moon.

>> No.14065933

>>14065919
>What is so gimmicky anyway?
idk man, hmm maybe the ENTIRE game.
Seriously, it was just designed with pointdevice in mind. Legacy mode is completely unbalanced, especially for Sanae who can bombspam everything.
If I wanted to play a difficult game with infinite retries I'd just play ISC.

>> No.14065999

>>14065933
>ISC
>difficult

>> No.14066012
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14066012

>>14065999
We're not talking about the first days you bby.

>> No.14066080

your face

>> No.14066086

>>14066012
it's only hard if you don't use any of the items

>> No.14066098

>>14066012
>he seriously thinks ISC is difficult
Wow, how much of a scrub can you be?

>> No.14067290

>>14066098
>>14066086
>Using items
>Calls others scrubs

>> No.14067429

>>14061093
New games are less lighthearted. Ever since Sinner was finished the series became more "serious" with more character development. Initially, ZUN kept everything wide and open so to let the fans build the characters; he's doing a bit less of that now. This is exasperated since we have less doujin, because of Shit Collection.

But Imperishable Night is one of the more quirky entries in the series, it's arguably the best.

Also, Touhou is STILL a doujin game, so you are just playing some doujin stg. Just a popular one (by doujin standards).

>>14063010
LoLK is pointdevice, DDC was pretty regular.

>>14065933
I think PD was made as both further experimentation with infinite retries and to make the game more accessible. If playing on legacy, it becomes more focused around reaction-based dodging. Remilia had reaction dodging, but you aren't complaining about that. It's not completely unbalanced, it's just focusing on a different skill that the other games didn't prepare you for. Even a monkey could 1 life clear extra IN if given the time, as long as it's pattern dodging.

There's not even a point if the entire game is based on pattern-dodging, you aren't playing the game, you're just moving from point A>B. You'd have as much interaction with an Etch+Sketch and your imagination. You think it's 'completely unbalanced' because it doesn't play to your skills or like any of the other games did.

>> No.14067461

>>14067429
It's pretty much ISC gameplay, without items and shoved into a mainline game.
Having full stock of lives by the end of stage 2 isn't what I'd call balanced.

>> No.14069066

>>14067290
>intentionally gimp yourself
>call the game "hard"
oh geez, IN is so hard, it'd be so much easier if I actually used the focus and bomb buttons D:

>> No.14069129

>>14069066
>intentionally gimp yourself
Looks like you have never played ISC, my dear /v/ friend. It has an achievement for clearing every stage without using items. It's not gimping yourself, it's getting 100% in the game.

>> No.14069145

>>14069129
>no man, you're not gimping yourself by not using the focus and bomb buttons, look, there's an achievement for it xDDd!!11
And I'm supposed to be the one that comes from /v/?

>> No.14069610

>>14069129
Playing no-item is laughably easy in most scenes anyway, and only challenging on a few.

Don't kid yourself.

>> No.14069640

>>14069610
>Pssh nothing personel

>> No.14069686

>>14061093
final boss bgm isn't as exciting
no final spells
he has a kid now
all that bs

>> No.14069707

Junko = ZUN-子

right?

>> No.14070074

>>14069707
>Zun is a wizard survivor from other place
>drinking and making Touhou to honor his fallen friends and enemies is his method of coping with stress
deepest

>> No.14070105

>>14070074
who u quote?

>> No.14071029

>>14064510
Stage 6 of DDC,PCB and IN was phenomenal, especially that moment when the music climaxes as yuyuko slow-motion explodes into thousands of sakura petals.

>> No.14071077

>>14071029
>especially that moment when yuyuko climaxes and explodes into thousands of sakura petals
quoting what i thought you wrote

>> No.14076973

>>14069610
>getting an LNB is nothing special guys XDD
>get a LNN before you talk !!!!!111one!

bet you're one of these people

>> No.14076978

>>14076973
>survivalshit
post your scores instead, faggot

>> No.14077025

It reminds me that it's already 8 months since our beloved janitor died.

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