/jp/ - Otaku Culture

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Why do 90 percent of Japanese websites look like they came from 2001?

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Japan has always favored cell phones over personal computers. Computers are seen more as a tool for work and school.

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Why do 90 percent of English websites break completely if you don't allow javascript for a dozen different domains? 4chan looks like a website from 2001, but I still can't post without allowing making three exceptions in noscript.

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>>13663226

I for one appreciate it. Fuck the flash ridden web 2.0 shit.

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>>13663437
Because Oracle has presence and wants people to use it. Also it's easy for people to set up and use for their sites.

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>>13663438
This. There's absolutely no reason for your site to not work without javascript or some equal bullshit.

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>>13663464
It values form over function. That may be fine for a promotional website for a game or whatever, but this is just retarded.

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>>13663500
Web design has become an art form as has most technology. Most people would much rather have something simple, sleek, and easy to use on a surfacey level.

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>>13663437
Because nobody gives a shit about coding around the 5% of people who don't use Javascript. People add it to their websites and assume it will work, because usually it will.

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>>13663226
Sshh, we don't speak about Japan living in the past here, specially when it comes to technology. It makes /jp/sies REALLY upset for some reason.

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>>13663558
>simple, sleek, and easy to use
So you mean something like this >>13663226 where I can easily see everything I want instead of some website made entirely in flash that I have to wait 15 seconds for it to load and then everything is represented by pictographs that won't even let me open the pages in new tabs.

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>>13663871
Flash is dead, and Javascript isn't Flash.

Basically if you ever want anything other than static text you should consider Javascript. The other day I decided something I was writing should hide boring technical crap inside expandable boxes for people who don't care. This thread inspired me to visit it with NoScript, which made me realize that the default behavior should be "show" rather than "hide" since you certainly can't click on it... but honestly, I don't really care.

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>>13663836
It's just not true though. There are plenty of Japanese sites that are more in line with modern English web site design, and plenty of English pages that are straight out of 2001. Here's the official site for the Liberal Democratic Party (jimin.jp) for example.

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For the same reason new web designs suck so much ass. It is the way it is.

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>>13663916
If you ever want anything other than static text on a webpage you should consider killing yourself.

And you should use CSS for a basic shit like that anyway.

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>>13663226
I don't mind it actually considering 80% of websites these days run either bootstrap for corporate sites with some generic theme or wordpress for their blogs.

You don't see anything that has soul anymore.

Also faster load times from lack of JS. A lot of new sites these days have ridiculous load times as they have you load something like 60MB of content.

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Honestly the Japanese sites still function relatively well.

That said, it's possible to make websites look more acceptably appealing to the average joe without Javascript.

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Hamburglars? Seriously?

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>>13664311
>If you ever want anything other than static text on a webpage you should consider killing yourself.

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>>13664311
>If you ever want anything other than static text on a webpage you should consider killing yourself.
God forbid anybody distribute anything over the web other than a text file.

>And you should use CSS for a basic shit like that anyway.
And how do you expect to modify that CSS, you colossal fuck? Through an HTML form that modifies the page server-side?

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>>13667564
http://martinivanov.net/2011/09/26/css3-treevew-no-javascript/

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>>13663226
Please don't tell me you actually prefer the javascript/ajax ridden garbage the west tends to use because it's trendy.

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>>13663226
there are plenty "modern" websites depending on how you define it. a lot of VN websites for example have become fancier full of flash and html5.

I think some Japanese people actually prefer the retro looking, static websites. Some like it because they are actually bad at navigate a different format, others just because they enjoy the familiarity.

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>>13667564
You can distribute absolutely anything over the web using static web pages (or even without them, though that can't be properly called web anymore).

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>>13667677
Obviously you can just download an application and have it do whatever the fuck you want rather than using your browser, but I don't see how that's any better than Javascript.

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>>13667681
Are you talking about all-purpose computing or sharing hyperlinks now?

For all-purpose computing, locally-run standalone programs are obviously better. For sharing hyperlinks, both are equally retarded.

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>>13667723
Suppose you wanted someone to be able to refresh a thread without reloading all the text and images (well, those get cached at least) on the page.

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>>13667731
That's not something that breaks the page if you turn Javascript off.

And if it does, you're doing something really wrong.

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I don't understand this complain anymore. People used to say that about the Japanese web because lots of sites used no CSS and still used side frames instead of drop-down Javascript menus.
This was until 2008 or so, nowadays most of the sites I go to are pretty much like the stuff I see in the west. They all run on some slightly tweaked Wordpress layout, have Like and Share buttons atop of every page and there's usually a summary of the owner's latest Tweets on the side updating dynamically.

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I love when I find japanese websites that have a black background and thick white frame tables or viceversa, and they're just long pages with a table of contents on the left or right. It looks like they are made in Frontpage and straight from the 90s.
IMO that's how every page should be done. Very usable, fast and nostalgic. Direct hyperlinks to everything including files FTW. Bonus points for starfield background.
But even the japanese have bad websites. Check out Square Enix websites for example. I'm confused I cannot navigate such sites, looks like something made for ADHD millenials.

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>>13667944
I think the complaint is more about the aesthetic than technology. Western web design has moved to minimalism and an "airy" type of feel while japanese sites still prefer lots of information concentrated into smaller areas - making the design look busier. I don't think either of them is a bad approach.

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>>13663226
I like the old look better than the new looks of the Internet

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>>13667664
This. I flip my shit if there's no "About" or "Contact Us" in the nav bar. Fuck that vertical scrolling bullshit.

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I'm still mad that moot did something to 4chan so I can't browse it with netscape any more. I don't want to have to use faggotfux that uses up 300mb of system memory just to display text and a few pictures.

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>>13663437
because most people are not h4xx0r kids who care about shit like MUH PRIVACY

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>>13667452
but yes.

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because if it ain't broke, don't fix it

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>>13675816
kill yourself