/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Where's the shitstorm, /jp/? I want to see a shitstorm.

http://thwiki.info/th/vote11/sokuhou_character.htm
http://thwiki.info/th/vote11/sokuhou_music.htm

[Anonymous No.]

Okay.

[Anonymous No.]

ching chong

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578429
Change character encoding to Shift-JIS.

[Anonymous No.]

Characters:

1. Koishi
2. Reimu
3. Marisa
4. Sakuya
5. Flandre
6. Youmu
7. Remilia
8. Mokou
9. Satori
10. Alice
11. Aya
12. Sanae
13. Tenshi
14. Kokoro
15. Yuyuko
16. Reisen
17. Yukari
18. Yuuka
19. Patchouli
20. Kogasa

[Anonymous No.]

Characters cont.

21. Momiji
22. Renko
23. Meiling
24. Utsuho
25. Futo
26. Byakuren
27. Seija
--. Parsee
29. Rumia
30. Nitori
31. Eiki
32. Shinmyoumaru
33. Suwako
34. Kasen
35. Miko
36. Ran
37. Cirno
38. Nue
39. Kaguya
40. Keine

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578476
>26. Byakuren

>35. Miko

All is right in the world of Dharma!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578476
>>13578454
>12. Sanae
>16. Reisen
>34. Kasen

Whatever.

>22. Renko
...come again?

[Anonymous No.]

>8. Mokou
> 39. Kaguya
That settles it

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578589
>25. Futo
>26. Byakuren
indeed

[Anonymous No.]

And the music list?
i can't read this >>13578429

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578476
Cool Renko sure is getting popular these days

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578454
Why is Flandre even in the top Ten? She only ever appeared in the games once.
What makes her so popular?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578640
Flandre is edgy as fuck and also appeals to lolicons

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578640
The fandom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578640
every EoSD is in the top40.
they are the characters that make more appearances in fanart/fanon games so they appeal to secondaries.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578648
Lolicons have shit taste and ruin the data

[Anonymous No.]

>40. Keine

Oh, okay. That's cool too, I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

Wait, Koishi is popular?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578667
Should be top 20, top 30 at least. But this is okay, I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>16. Reisen
Very nice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578617
1. UN Owen
2. Septette
3. Hartmann
4. Border of Life
5. Little Princess
6. Reach for the Moon
7. Gensokyo the Gods Loved
8. Cosmic Mind
9. Necrofantasia
10. Chinese Tea
11. Last Remote
12. 3rd Eye
13. Broken Moon
14. Phantom Ensemble
15. Love-colored Master Spark
16. Desire Drive
17. History of the Moon
18. Magus Night
19. Lunatic Princess
20. Native Faith

Also, >>13578432. Japan loves their legacy encodings. Japan loves their legacy everything.

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>>13578703
>Magus Night
so people actually played FW or I am missing something?

[Anonymous No.]

> 37. Cirno

wtf is this

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>>13578710
Magus Night is the best thing from this game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578713
cirno fans moved to kancolle, momiji is now the official meme 2hu

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578703
Including their legacy Touhous!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578454
Somebody finally brought low the shrine maiden?

Guess it's hard to compete with crazy moe.

[Anonymous No.]

KOISHI STRONK

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578703
IN has the best music

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>>13578454

17. Yukari

Heheheh. naice naice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578785
>naice
I don't know why this word has gotten popular lately, but it should really stop.

[Anonymous No.]

>14 秦 こころ

#1 next year, here we go!

[Anonymous No.]

She deserved it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578429

More people voting than in the previous year.

Reimu has almost the exactly same number she had last year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578843
She was much better in Ulil, her dialogue was great and Moe is a really good artist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578849

She was already great in HM.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578640

Design, loli, vampire, psycho, etc.

Now imagine what would happen if Flandre became playable in next fighter.

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>>13578846
consider that a lot of votes were lost because of server issues so it should be even more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578846
>>13578874
Touhou is definitely dying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578882

Meme aside it really slowed down last year, but it's going back to normal.

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>>13578616
Jokes on you, I actually like Futo

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578703
1. UN Owen
2. Septette

Every fucking time.

Anyway I just don't vote anymore, what's the point? The MCs are always at the top because most people feel obligated putting a vote for them, the flavor of the year veterans get in the top, the newhus mostly get in the middle and the secondary honeypots always go strong too.

Satori got to the top even without my vote since of the "ehehe she can read my dirty mind" and the stupid stuff going around her like in those /jp/ threads anyway.

[proREMIRIAt Elite Force Comman(...) !rSDMROXTB. No.]

>>13578765
New game with shiny sprites STRONK you mean.

At least there is the Scarlet Youmu Sandwich now.

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>>13578713
Ironically, Cirno is more important as a character than Flandre and Momiji combined, yet she's constantly sinking in votes while the other two are steady.

And what gives with the Renko boost and Sumireko landing close to Maribel? It's almost like people thought Sumireko = Renko.

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>>13578930
Renko's been rising for years already. (Don't ask me why.) She just got even bigger push now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578926
Poor Youmu.

[Anonymous No.]

Kasen's still got a manga and just became playable and did lots of cool stuff and nobody cares.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578950
Who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578418
A completely average and uninteresting character wins?
what the fuck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578950
it's okay kasen, you made it into the top 15 of my last tohosort because you're so awesome. that's pretty great!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578896
When a Buddhist supporter can't even resist Futo, it proves Taoism is the superior religion.

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>>13578950
Well, her manga ain't great, truth be told.
>Reimu does something dumb and/or lazy
>Kasen gets preachy
>Kasen saves the day somehow with her magical doraemon pockets on her head
>some sort of foreboding thing happens about Kasen's identity
>repeat each chapter

I love Kasen, but her own primary material ain't great.

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>>13578950
I was really hoping for Kasen's and Sumireko's themes to rise too, but they seem to be really low.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578965
Are you new to Japanese media of all forms?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578970
But the head Taoists fell behind the Buddhists.
Futo won comparatively because she's cute as a freaking button wearing a silly hat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578454
>1. Koishi
What the everloving fuck?
>15. Yuyuko
unacceptable. At least she's still got a better standing than some other of my favorites.

>>13578476
>37. Cirno
Fuck yeah, that annoying shit is finally dropping out of top-popularity.

[Anonymous No.]

I like last remote.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578971
I disagree and love WaHH, but I'm apparently in the minority.
It's more how she's playable now. How does a character's popularity go down when they become playable? That's not right.

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>>13578971
It's been almost 5 years, she should get some resolution and then just let WaHH wrap up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578977
No, but I'm still shocked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578703
>4. Border of Life
>6. Reach for the Moon
>8. Cosmic Mind
>9.10 Necrofantasia
>18. Magus Night
Way to go ladies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578984
She should at least get some resolution. I like WaHH's premise and Kasen is too cute to be relegated back to occasional game appreances.

I just want it to progress beyond it's overused formula each arc over and over so we can learn more about her and her freaking arm.

And the freaking horns in the freaking title as well. It's "Wild and Horned Hermit."

Not "One-Armed Pink Zookeeper Doraemon."

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578965

Except Koishi is great and one of the most interesting characters since HM happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578965
At least she's way less average and uninteresting than characters like Flandre and Momiji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578904
Well, Koishi destroyed Reimu and Marisa tho.
I don't get it either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579006
Not sure if serious or kidding.

>>13579007
Fair point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578664
How the fuck can they ruin the data if their taste is part of the whole?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579007

Just wait until Flan appears in a fighting game. She would demolish Reimu in the next poll.

[Anonymous No.]

Where's that moron who always makes that same joke going "Why does the list start at second place?".

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578713
I don't the super casuals who have only seen IOSYS flashes would be voting in this poll.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578703
>3. Hartmann

Its not even a great song. Its OK, but even Heian Alien is better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579037
^this

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579037

It's there just because of Koishi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579030
I'm sorry! I was late! I was hugging my Akarin dakimakura (pic related).

[Anonymous No.]

Why does the list start at second place?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579030
Actually it starts at the 15th place.

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>>13579037
I know I'm in the vast minority, but I really like ULiL's arrange of it.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm happy as long as that murderous bitch of a miko is dethroned.

Which she is. This is a good day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578418
>http://thwiki.info/th/vote11/sokuhou_music.htm
>封魔終演 (Sealed Demon's Finale)
>ポイント: 1

Are you seriously telling me I was the only one who voted for it? Its the best song from SoEW.

[Anonymous No.]

Japs with their shit taste as usual, nothing to see here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579072
At least you truly made a difference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578895
>>13578882
last year was not a very good for touhou.
the touhou recline was real for some months

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579072
Also, it looks like they did not even include my favorite song from Mystic Square, the bad ending song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TIdpSdWMlA

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578703
No Rigid Paradise, no Higan Retour, not even Sleeping Terror. And instead, we get Hartmann's, Cosmic Mind, and Last Remote. Jesus, this makes me sick.

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>>13578950
Don't worry Kasen, you're still my fav. I wasn't able to vote for you though...
On that note, were the newhus and new music included in the vote?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579102
We don't "get" anything they're just votes dude nothing happens

[Anonymous No.]

146 143 118 魔界地方都市エソテリア 221 18
fools, makai city esoteria is one of the best themes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579128
It's the voters shit taste that disgusts me.

[Anonymous No.]

>Sumireko
>47th place
>FORTY SEVENTH PLACE
That's actually quite a lot better than I expected of her. Nice.

But how is it that Renko is in 22th place? She hasn't been relevant in years, she doesn't have a single game appearance and unlike Flandre, Renko doesn't have any hot IOSYS memes for the secondaries to feed on.

[Anonymous No.]

now that koishi was voted number will KKHTA finally be updated?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579102
well,Sleeping terror rarely is in the top charts since it's PC98 and most people don't realize the awesomeness of PC98 music....

[Anonymous No.]

I did what I could, Lady Raiko

[Anonymous No.]

>Top 5

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579170
I feel ya bro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579144
If you didn't vote for at least 1 PC98 song you're garbage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8di6az9BBQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579184
The only PC-98 song I remember or care about is Alice in Wonderland.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579184
Decoration Battle best theme.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579184
I voted for five of them.
Now until the moment you die,
Complete Darkness,
A Phantom's Boisterous Dance
Sleeping Terror
and Doll of Misery.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579102
All of those are great, but I think the latter three are better and more complete pieces by ZUN, while the former three lend itself more to a really nice melody and some very sweet arranges.

[Anonymous No.]

Well, they should have delayed the poll by at least a week due to the data loss but they gave like TWO DAYS warning.

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>>13579102
Last Remote and Emotional Skyscraper are pretty great tho, I just don't get why U.N. Owen was her? and Hartmann's Youkai Girl are anywhere near top 10.
The CD versions are okay IMO, but the originals... ugh...

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>>13579184
While I like the animal effects in the first part, that song and stage are probably the worst in the entire series, or second to SoEW Extra Stage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579198
Maniacal Princess best theme

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578616
:D

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>>13578942
It's because over the years the Sealing Club has been pulled ever closer to the gravity well of Gensokyo, and Renko has more presence of the two since she's the one who has to put up with Merry's shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>Capital City of Flowers in the Sky: ???

The first time I heard this song I had to pause the game. I couldn't see the game past my tears.

When I woke up the next day the very first thing I did was play that song. I sat there stunned that a song could be this good.

No song ZUN has composed comes close.

[Anonymous No.]

Funny how the last boss of SA is the most popular Windows character, while the first boss is the least popular Windows character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579397
ha?
I mean, I get what you mean with the first tell, but the first boss in the series is Shingokyou while the first Windows Boss is Rumia - and I doubt Rumia is the least popular character overall.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579408
I think he means Yamame.

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>>13579410
Oh, my bad.
Sorry, I read misunderstood.

[Anonymous No.]

It's a Jap meme that Koishi just pops up everywhere fyi

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579308
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXMa9AWrK5k

[Anonymous No.]

>Liked Koishi way before she got popular
>Really hate her crazy eyes in HM/ULiL
A character goes to shit and suddenly wins the dumb contest.

>Iku down to 41
Oh well, nips confirmed for shit taste in 2hus.

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>>13579456
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJN485iVl8M

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579476
Koishi has been popular for a long time now.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't get mad at popularity poll cuz it means nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578669
She's Flandre 2.0

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>>13578418
How xan people like Koishi so much? She has no consciousness. Her subconscious controls her

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579456
oh that's good

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579476
Is that a frigate bird?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578454
Japs confirmed for being secondaries.

[Anonymous No.]

>13. Tenshi

I'm surprised considering how ignored by the fandom she is in comparison to other characters. I'm eagerly awaiting her debut in a danmaku game.

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>>13579577
Tenshi's just a genuinely good character. There'd be no justice at all if she didn't do at least a little well.

[Anonymous No.]

When will i get to see Rinnousuke, Kosuzu, Akyuu, Maribel and Renko in a game?

[Anonymous No.]

Just... where does the "insane Koishi" come from anyway? I've played HM, I played SA and I even read her article on Symposium of Post-mysticism and ZUN never mentioned anything about her being crazy or shit like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579572
Duh, the majority of the fanbase are secondaries/worse.
You don't need a popularity poll to show you that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579635
it is probably her fanon persona

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579645
>fanon persona
The one that kills everything in that retarded series? I call that "Koishit."

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579637
How do you get worse than a secondary ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578454

So Flan is the last girl from the top of the list that was never playable. Maybe in next fighter.

And it's a good thing that Reimu finally lost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579684
Not when it's to Koishi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578454
So the Scarlets dropped Alice and went for Youmu.

Youmu you homewrecker!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579577
Tenshi was in DS, unless that doesn't count as a danmaku game somehow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579704

Why not? Koishi always was a good character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579740
I'm fairly sure she was in ISC too.

[Anonymous No.]

Sad for Sanae dropping yet another place down. Figured she would get higher instead with her return as playable, and with an adorable sprite and very strong shot type to boot.
I still enjoy the fact that people actually *did* react to Reimu being more and more obnoxious in the latest manga, and Koishi isn't a bad person to dethrone her, I suppose.

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>>13579807
she looks like a fukkin rozen fukkin maiden wit thos legz

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578476
>29. Rumia

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>>13578454
My three favorite 2hus are in the top 20.
Does this mean I'm a plebeian?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578454
>>13578476
This lack of Kanako makes me sad. Has the old hag finally had her last gasp? At least Parsee made it up there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579826
Rumia a best.

[Anonymous No.]

>Suika is nowhere to be seen

Good. I wouldn't like people who consider Koishi good voting for my 2hu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578813
Look at the number of first place votes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579845
This is the fourth straight year of glorious ascension!

It can only go up from here! Our golden years will never end!

Also, glad to see Tenshi getting the respect a heavenly daughter deserves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579862
It's ok I was extremely disappoint too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579758
Koishi always was a boring 'lolsorandom' character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579962
I would go as far as saying that Flandre was a more interesting character, from what little we saw of her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579995
Flandre was ruined by her fanbase

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>>13578950
Oh stop whining you little shit. A no-fun allowed crap like Kasen shouldn't be allowed to rank above 50, much less her fellow onis. She's a disgrace to her species.

Now you want unpopularity, I'll show you unpopularity. Pic related, least popular among the ulils or the fighting games playable characters. Even when she got a makeover with sexy messy hair, boxing moves and a fangirly carefree personality that likes to bully inchlings, taodorks and fedora tipping kappas, she still can't make it pass rank 60. But who cares, more for me, can't get much better than being playable character in a fighter, is better than anything flandrefags will ever get. Not like ZUN cares about popularity anyway.

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>>13580010
>ruined by fanbase

Only complete retards ever say that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579878
I too am of the Rumia faction.

[Anonymous No.]

I adore both Flandre and Koishi
I have reached ultimate satisfaction, therefore I win at life!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579184
>161. Mythology fantasy ~ Infinite Being
I feel glad that I have contributed.

>251. Midnight spell card
I'm pretty sad that this got low though. I really liked this one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13580064
Her cult spreads, daily.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13580676
First position soon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13580683
We can maximize Rumia's success in the poll by minimizing the number of people who don't vote for her.

[Anonymous No.]

why?
rumia is just a worse flandre.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579878
Always bet on black!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13580748
You'll be the first to go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13580028
>fedora tipping kappas

[Anonymous No.]

The fact that Mamizou remains unpopular amuses me greatly.

[Anonymous No.]

How can characters who have only ever made one appearance in ZUN's official works gain so much popularity?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13580929
secondaries will never like her because of her design, they barely know ZUN has given her all the roles he possibly can.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13580929
Because she is not uguu kawaii desu enough for people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13580929
>>13580959
>>13580942
freaking sad. Her long hairstyle is truly cute

[Anonymous No.]

>>13580942
He can still make a spinoff starring her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579408
>>13579410
He means Kisume.

>>13579653
Primary: in for the game
Secondary: in for the story
Tertiary: in for the memes or a quick fap

>>13580929
The fact that ZUN will continue not to care and put her into everything amuses me even more.

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>>13581107
What a Quadrinary?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13581107
Wow, I didn't think you guys could pervert the whole primary/secondary thing any more than you already had.

[Anonymous No.]

Who and why votes for Tenshi and Momiji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13581176
Tenshi has a well defined character and good design. Don't know why momiji though.

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>>13580959
She was plenty kawaii uguu in HM, like those genki megane heroines you'd see in a romcom or a VN. But yeah moe's Mamizou is not that cute, she's more like a smug flat hag. ZUN's Mamizou is just gross.

>>13580942
Wait is her design the problem? What exactly, the glasses? I like how folkish (I guess?) she looks, specially after she got the leaf hat. I thought the reason was her personality and how she was suddenly involved or behind every minor incident going on in gensokyo, like HM and half of FS, to the point it felt forced.

>>13581176
I voted for Tenshi, I like her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13581203
Japanese memes and fanfiction for Momiji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13581210
Drawing her flat here was a mistake

[Anonymous No.]

When in doubt there is also always something on Nico, mostly the MMD parts of it. Alice almost won one year because some MMD stuff was popular at the same time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13581210
>ZUN's Mamizouis just gross
yeah. My first impressions of her was that she was kinda gross and she didnt bathe often like she was that one aunt that always got drunk and you never knew you had because your parents avoided her

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579139
Answering your own question there. Probably a lot of voters got confused between the Usamis because their names and appearances are so similar.

[Anonymous No.]

So how is Voyage 1969/1970 not the best song or at least top 20?

Phantom Ensemble is a good call though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13581221
But in game she's got it where it counts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579139
>>13581252
Usami votes got splitted just like broken moon and memory of forgatering dream split votes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13580028
Ichirin getting dolled up threw me off and I'm a moefag. I figured her face direction would be something like Sakuya or Youmu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13581251
So it wasn't just my imagination.

[Anonymous No.]

why can koishi have a consistent color palette, her hair varies from green,white and light blue and her 3rd eye between purple and blue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13581251
Isn't that exactly her fighting style? (Minus the bathing because she bathes as a special.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>13581154
The word is "quaternary". It's gonna be useful someday.

>>13581167
Amusing wording. It's a troll that outlived its warranty date, nigga. What's even there to pervert?

>>13581210
>ZUN's Mamizou is just gross.
Fandom has long learned to overlook his drawings.

>>13581252
The Japanese know the difference between 菫 and 蓮. And the characters were grouped by game appearances, if some ignorant schmuck wanted to vote for "that new girl from ULiL", he just went to the ULiL section.

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder what the big Jay Pee is going to look like a year from now when the next poll is held.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13581415
>Amusing wording. It's a troll that outlived its warranty date, nigga. What's even there to pervert?
If you change a definition, yeah, it's perversion.

There is nothing "troll" about the word "secondary", if you haven't played the game, you are a secondary because you haven't experienced the information first-hand, it's simple as that.

[monhan No.]

>>13581288
Those are literally fake ones though. It's one of her tanuki underling doing that pose.

Who knows, that might actually be a jab to the "fake boobs" meme in the fandom

[Anonymous No.]

>>13581447
It's going to be the same, except the opinions change.

People will continue to care about something stupid and meaningless as a popularity poll when ZUN himself gives no shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13581176

Tenshi is great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578741
>>13578979
They deliberately delayed the poll to be near the new game rather than make it in February like every other year, said new game's release happens to be right before Koishi day (May 14th), they also had a ''server issue where they lost all the votes'' 3 days in so they asked everyone to vote again.

It's pretty obvious what they were trying to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13581299
It would be pointless to have a popularity poll without a new game release.

They skipped a year before because there was no new game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13582807
It would be pointless to have a popularity poll without a new game release.

They skipped a year before because there was no new game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13581501
You could have never played the games and still be a primary, what matters is the canon.
>>13581107
>Primary: in for the game
>Secondary: in for the story
Primary means that you know the things from the actual Touhou works done by ZUN, be it their story or game mechanics. Secondary means that you're in for the fandom. Tertiary is just shit that got made up on the fly and has no clear meaning, just an insult.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13582823
>It would be pointless to have a popularity poll without a new game release.
They always had one, they only skipped one time with that alleged reason even though they had a poll every other year, they could use manga characters like the jinyou the same way they included the barely mentioned CiLR characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578971
the only good chapters are the few where Kasen gets called out, like the one with the electric weasel thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579006
Dude she's literally a lolsorandumb character, she's popular because of memes and retard-moe stereotype.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13582852
BTW, is this page some tankoubon Extra or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579018
But Koishi didn't beat Reimu in the poll after Hopeless Masquerade came out. She beat her in a poll that happened right after Koishi Day (May 14th).

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579807
>I still enjoy the fact that people actually *did* react to Reimu being more and more obnoxious in the latest manga
Dude she got the same amount of votes as last year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13580942
>>13580959
Dude people loved her new outfit for ULiL and made fanart and even doujins with it. ZUN is the one desperately trying to make his wife relevant by jamming her in everything as much as possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>33 26 24 洩矢 諏訪子 2138 346
This is NOT okay

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579845
There is none greater

[Anonymous No.]

>>13579845
I still have no idea how to get those hearts to appear, or what the whole box mechanic is even supposed to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13582877
Fuck off back to >>>/r9k/ and reddit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13582895
Rumia somehow got invited to Reimu's halloween party in OSP when only like 9 other people did.

that must mean she's relevant somehow.

[Anonymous No.]

I feel kinda iffy about that ''oh we lost all the votes somehow'' event. Not only is it suspicious but it sure made the votes not be as high as before, I mean, I didn't get the memo till after the poll was done.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578640
I'm building on what others have said. I think EoSD is the Final Fantasy IV of the series. A great, worthy entry of the series but ends up more than a little overrated because of nostalgia. That causes a lot of fan content to be created which leads to strangely high popularity, like what >>13578659 said.

Then again, PCB is also popular for the same reasons, so I'm not sure why EoSD wins out so much. It just seems like every game is less popular than the next after EoSD, or the characters are at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13582836
>You could have never played the games and still be a primary

You could have played all the games and still not be a primary. And the proper response to that fact is to accept your secondary status, instead of bending definitions so far that they cover absolutely everybody.

>>13582859
Febri, the magazine publishing WaHH, includes those short omake every other month (in-between chapters proper). It's probably from one of those.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583001
>And the proper response to that fact is to accept your secondary status,
Please stop, primary means that you know the canon, ''playing'' the games means nothing when what matters is the story.
>, instead of bending definitions so far that they cover absolutely everybody.
But the only people I'm including are the ones who know the canon, i.e: barely any artist on pixiv would count.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583057
You are twisting definition friend.

Primary/secondary has nothing about canon or shit, it's just playing the games or not i.e getting information first hand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583057
Primary used to meant that you played the games, back when the manga was mostly irrelevant spinoff crap. At some point... no, I don't think people really care anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583073
I do.

If people really don't care, they should stop using these words.

[Anonymous No.]

Primary and secondary were originally only a means of differentiating between canon and non-canon works. It had nothing to do with people and everything to do with content. You guys turned it into a dick waving contest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583067
Yeah right, you very well know that the discussion of canon is what's called primary and that anyone bringing fanon into the discussion gets called a secondary.

What the hell kind of difference is there if you play the games or not? So if some guy plays a Touhou game and then forgets about it without even caring at all then he's a primary?
>>13583073
>Primary used to meant that you played the games
That was only for story reasons, particularly the endings, of which the good ones could only be seen by being skillfull enough to 1cc the game, sometimes on Normal. Primary means that you know the canon and thus can be in canon discussions.
> back when the manga was mostly irrelevant spinoff crap
Even the first manga had more story than any of the games and ZUN pumps the manga way more than the latter now.

It wasn't only the manga but the info books like PMiSS and BAiJR too. THOSE were the ones that got the canon discussion running.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583088
The words have existed before Touhou.

Primary means getting your information first hand i.e primary source of information, in this case the games, the printworks, the official manga made by ZUN.

Secondary means getting your information from secondary sources as in hearsay, anything not made by ZUN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583103
what if you're one of those shit-eaters who learned about canon entirely from the wiki

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583108
What's the difference? You're learning the same information.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583100
>Yeah right, you very well know that the discussion of canon is what's called primary and that anyone bringing fanon into the discussion gets called a secondary.
That's because people who spouted fanon usually don't play the games, it's a stereotype, but if the guy does spout fanon and he played the games then he's not a secondary, he just got his information wrong.
>What the hell kind of difference is there if you play the games or not?
The difference is that he gets his information from the games made by ZUN, not from outside sources.

You can be a secondary even if you know canon i.e. reading summary from English Touhou wikia.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583112
the wiki is literally a secondary source

it's the same history, but learning about history from primary sources (such as documents) and secondary sources (such as textbooks) is still different

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583112
It's not the same information.

You are learning from the wiki i.e. a secondary source instead of playing the games and get the story firsthand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583116
>but if the guy does spout fanon and he played the games then he's not a secondary
He is a secondary, because he doesn't know his shit.
>The difference is that he gets his information from the games made by ZUN, not from outside sources.
There is no difference, what are you on? The text on the wiki is literally the text on the games. You know that by your logic nobody who played the games in English, which is fan-made, is a primary, right? Because it wasn't ZUN.
>>13583123
It's the same exact text, stop trying to dance around it.
>>13583125
>It's not the same information.
Yes it is, how is it not?

[Anonymous No.]

why would you even discuss things with someone that thinks people play the games for the story?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583146
> people play the games for the story?
Nobody said that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578640
She's like the Sephiroth of Touhou.
It's weird though because I would have blamed secondaries but I feel like if that was the case then Cirno would be way higher up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583146
>It's the same exact text, stop trying to dance around it.
Touhou Project is first and foremost a shooting game series and if you haven't played it you're not a primary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583151
>She's like the Sephiroth of Touhou.
Not even close, Sephiroth is the main antagonist and an extremely important character in his story and his series, making repeated appearances, be it playable or just a boss.

Flandre is just an extra stage boss, she's basically Emerald Weapon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583156
Do tell what do you gain from playing the game that makes you a ''primary''. Is PDP a primary for playing Touhou and then forgetting it the next day? Shit, being a primary is almost as easy as being a secondary when the only requirement is ''play the game even though it means jack shit''.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583134
>He is a secondary, because he doesn't know his shit.
No, he got his information from a primary source, therefore he's not a secondary. He might be an idiot but he's not a secondary.
>Yes it is, how is it not?
The summary in question are summary of in-game texts, hence secondary sources, only the texts literally ripped from the game are considered a primary source.

Even then it's pseudo-primary, as you said, because it's translated. But fortunately, the wiki also includes the original jap text.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583151
Well actually since Cirno appears so much in the actual series then her being higher than Flandre would make the list technically ''less secondary'', however, it's pretty obvious that the reason would be because of fanworks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583167
It's exactly that.

A primary is not some sort of loremaster, he's just someone who played the game.

You need to learn the goddamn definition of primary information vs secondary information.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583167
The spell cards and patterns are as integral to Touhou Project as the comics are, even if you don't give a shit about them.

[Anonymous No.]

Public Service Announcement:
>>/jp/?task=search2&search_text=primary+touhou+fan&search_ord=old

Now you too can stop being a stupid newfag.

>>13583103
No, primary means "first in order". Secondary means "second in order". What order is referenced depends on context, and the context you're in is /jp/, not your history class.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583178
>No, he got his information from a primary source, therefore he's not a secondary
He's a secondary because he doesn't know his shit, what does it matter if you got your info from the games if you got it wrong? Use your head.
>The summary in question are summary of in-game texts,
No it isn't, it's literally the EXACT SAME TEXT. Here's an example:
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Undefined_Fantastic_Object/Story/Reimu_B%27s_Scenario
>only the texts literally ripped from the game are considered a primary source.
That's what I'm talking about. I kept saying ''it's the exact same information'', not ''it's a summarized version''.
>>13583184
>You need to learn the goddamn definition of primary information vs secondary information.
Yeah right, you're really desperate to claim that playing the game means anything, I know it because you dodged the question.
>>13583188
And you can learn all about them without playing the game, hell, the wiki has translations of ZUN's spellcard comments. Also, no, don't kid yourself, spellcards are just pretty lights you see flashing on the screen. It's nothing compared to the story, you know why? Because the books barely have any spellcard shown.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583167
This is like asking what about not having sex makes you a "virgin." It's basically the definition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583157
Well I meant in terms of the fandom but I guess you're right.
Either way though she's an antagonist who only appeared in one main game and is adored by people who've never played the game because of her overstyled "cool" design even by touhou standards. Along with a dark/crazy personality that every tumblr fuck thinks represents them in some stupid way. This is then backed up by her being overly powerful which all rolls up into giving every fanfic writer or deviantart faggot the perfect way to fulfill their mary sue fantasies and pat themselves on the back because they can draw better than ZUN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583214
That's not even comparable because ''virgin'' is literally ''not having sex''. ''Secondary'' doesn't mean ''not having played the games''. You could have gotten an interest in Touhou because of the games and still never played them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583205
>Primary
>(...) and ZUN's works more so

>Secondary
>(...) if they did play, it's only to see what the game is like and doesn't get into it
Well there you go. Just playing isn't enough, you have to ''get into it''.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578418
>I want to see a shitstorm
Well, you got it.

Kinda.

A shitflinging competition at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583224
"Primary" does mean "played the games," though.

>And you can learn all about them without playing the game
Reading about the games doesn't make you a primary any more than reading about sex means you're not a virgin anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583219
>she's an antagonist
I wouldn't call her that, antagonist means primary enemy of the story. She's just a side dish, a bonus boss.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583240
about unrelated matters to the topic he was referring to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583250
I think he deserves his congratulations all the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583242
>"Primary" does mean "played the games," though.
No it doesn't, it just means you actually are into Touhou, not just fanworks.
>Reading about the games doesn't make you a primary any more than reading about sex means you're not a virgin anymore.
I told you that's not even comparable. A more appropiate analogy would be to call someone who had shitty first time sex with a prostitute in his desperation to end his virginity a ''sexologist'' more than someone who's a certified expert.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583244
Okay, so she's a secondary enemy. That fits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583178
>No, he got his information from a primary source, therefore he's not a secondary
according the oldest Primary definition he is a secondary because he didn't ''get into it''.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583259
>No it doesn't, it just means you actually are into Touhou, not just fanworks.
If you haven't played the games you're not into Touhou Project, as it's first and foremost a shooting game series. It's like calling someone who watched the anime adaptation of Higurashi and read the wiki a "primary."

>A more appropiate analogy would be to call someone who had shitty first time sex with a prostitute in his desperation to end his virginity a ''sexologist'' more than someone who's a certified expert.
Our desperate friend is indeed not a virgin, and our sexologist is a virgin. It's not a status symbol. Get over it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583275
>If you haven't played the games you're not into Touhou Project
/jp/ says otherwise, it's just someone who got interested because of the games and got into ''ZUN's works''.
>Our desperate friend is indeed not a virgin, and our sexologist is a virgin
Good job completely missing the point of the analogy. It mean that the actual sexologist is more ''into it'' than the guy who barely constitutes as non-virgin.

Read >>13583238

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583275
>It's not a status symbol
you call anyone who plays the games a primary regardless of their interest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583282
>/jp/ says otherwise, it's just someone who got interested because of the games
How the fuck can you be interested in something because of something you haven't experienced? The very notion is fucking stupid.

>It mean that the actual sexologist is more ''into it'' than the guy who barely constitutes as non-virgin.
Who fucking cares? Our primary may not be a "Touhou expert," and our secondary may be a "Touhou expert," but the primary is still a primary because he has experienced the
primary content firsthand.

Obviously if you're not "into Touhou" you're not a fan at all and so either label is pointless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583293
>How the fuck can you be interested in something because of something you haven't experienced?
Because that something has more than one aspect and can be experienced in other ways, you claiming the other works don't matter as much is irrelevant, you're not ZUN to say that.
> Our primary may not be a "Touhou expert," and our secondary may be a "Touhou expert,"
And that's the point here. Otherwise being a primary would just be a little medal you get for playing the game even though you don't give a shit about it at all and forget it the next day.
>Obviously if you're not "into Touhou"
You're the one saying playing the games is all you have to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583293
I would have thought a primary was like the guy who owns the dvd boxset of the series, they know the characters and love the show.
The secondary is the guy who looks up the skits on youtube. He knows the main guys and girls and laughs along with the primary but when the primary starts talking about the side-arc of wolfgang the chef in season 5 that got lower ratings, that's when the secondary just smiles and nods.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13582856

She's literally not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13582943

There was more votes than last year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13582982

SDM crew are foreigners. And everybody love loli vampires.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578454
>>13578476
>Suika no where in sight
>Kasen that low

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583299
>Because that something has more than one aspect and can be experienced in other ways
Reading the dialogue is not "experiencing the game" any more than reading the script of Citizen Kane is the same as watching it.

>you're not ZUN to say that.
Touhou is first and foremost a shooting game. ZUN has said as much, but even if he hadn't, trying to deny this would just be sad. Might as well tell us that Higurashi is not first and foremost a VN.

>You're the one saying playing the games is all you have to do.
If you like Touhou and you play the games you're a primary. If you don't give a shit about the Touhou, and played the games once... you're not any sort of Touhou fan, primary or secondary. "Primary" is not a "little medal." It's a factual descriptor that you insist on using as some sort of expert certification when it's not.

>>13583309
That's a fanatic, or dedicated fan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13578454
What's Kokoro doing there in top20?
Isn't that the one with the masks from the last fighting game?
Haven't voted this time but i'm glad Koishi pushed Reimu from her throne.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583212
>Yeah right, you're really desperate to claim that playing the game means anything, I know it because you dodged the question.
It means KNOWING the source first hand, that's what being a primary.

Goddamn:
A primary source is a document or physical object which was written or created during the time under study. These sources were present during an experience or time period and offer an inside view of a particular event. Some types of primary sources include:

ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS (excerpts or translations acceptable): Diaries, speeches, manuscripts, letters, interviews, news film footage, autobiographies, official records
CREATIVE WORKS: Poetry, drama, novels, music, art
RELICS OR ARTIFACTS: Pottery, furniture, clothing, buildings

What is a secondary source?
A secondary source interprets and analyzes primary sources. These sources are one or more steps removed from the event. Secondary sources may have pictures, quotes or graphics of primary sources in them. Some types of seconday sources include:

PUBLICATIONS: Textbooks, magazine articles, histories, criticisms, commentaries, encyclopedias
http://www.princeton.edu/~refdesk/primary2.html

If you haven't played the games, you are not a primary, it's that simple. You haven't experienced the source firsthands and just read the summaries.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583413

Kokoro is fun as fuck. Also no panties.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583418
If it's the exact text complete with citations, isn't it a quote rather than a secondary source? Of course, you're pulling history documents up as If that definition matters so whatever, you just want to jerk it to how much better you are.

[Anonymous No.]

Holy shit, so Seija went up 29 places. I am genuinely impressed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583547
If the wiki just serves as the dump of translation, then yes it would be a quote/archive.

But it has summary and fandom shit so nah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583418
>using historical documentation definitions to determine who is the best Touhou fan
Fucking kek. It's not like you're writing analysis of the writers or something, you're just talking about a story, which would hopefully be the same unless the translator is retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583554
It also has those. On other, clearly labelled pages than from the SCRIPTS for the games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583562
Which is my point, if it only has those then yes it can serve as an archive, nowadays it just has too many summary/interpretation and fandom shit to count as one.

And even then, the other analogy is right, reading dialogs from that but skipping the game is just like reading dialogs off a movie without watching it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583557
We're talking about definition of "primary" and "secondary".

As said, as long you experience the source first hand i.e. playing the games, you are a primary. A primary is not a badge of pride or anything, it just means you care enough to play the games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583557
>best
The number one reason to clear up this definition is so that retards will stop using it to mean "best fan."

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583577
>And even then, the other analogy is right, reading dialogs from that but skipping the game is just like reading dialogs off a movie without watching it.
It's not Citizen Kane, because that's a visual medium that uses acting. Touhou uses no acting at all; It's a shooter game with occasional windows of text that pops up between two characters. You could read that in a plaintext format and miss nothing, since the characters don't have voicetext or acting.

>>13583579
Then you're using the wrong definitions, because those are for analysis in a historical context. You're taking definitions and changing them, then trying to use the old definitions to defend them.

[Anonymous No.]

>definition of "primary" and "secondary".

>>13578418
> Where's the shitstorm, /jp/? I want to see a shitstorm.
You wanted your shitstorm, now you got it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13581176
Represent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583617
>It's not Citizen Kane, because that's a visual medium that uses acting.
And Touhou is an audiovisual medium that uses music, danmaku, and text in concert to create an overall experience.

>You're taking definitions and changing them
Nobody has ever thought that you could be a primary without playing the games. The one changing definitions is you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583635
>The one changing definitions is you.
You took the definitions for discerning the likely truthfulness of historical documents and applied them to people about whether or not they've played a video game.

>And Touhou is an audiovisual medium that uses music, danmaku, and text in concert to create an overall experience.
Which is, you'll note, mostly irrelevant to the story and characterization of the characters except for the text (the only thing that's archived on the wiki extensively) which is what people usually talk about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583644
>You took the definitions for discerning the likely truthfulness of historical documents and applied them to people about whether or not they've played a video game.
Primary and secondary have basic English definitions. The real actual source is "primary". Everything else is "secondary". This is non-controversial and was only brought up because a certain retard decided an encyclopedia was a primary source.

>Which is, you'll note, mostly irrelevant to the story and characterization
It's still the primary medium of Touhou Project, an inseparable part of the experience (even if you can't shitpost about it on social media as effectively) and if you're not playing it you're not a primary. Full stop.

>which is what people usually talk about.
Because most people are shit-eating secondaries who spend more time doing secondary shit than actually playing the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583579
>We're talking about definition of "primary" and "secondary".

And, let me repeat myself, the definition of "primary" and "secondary" is "first in order" and "second in order". Your social science methodology does not apply, what applies is an old troll-turned-pasta by an anonymous /jp/ poster.

You are not a primary because you play the games. You are a primary because you like the games for what they are, and therefore Touhou as a whole for what it originally is (a shmup series).

>>13583617
>Touhou uses no acting at all
It uses different facial expressions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583666
The word "primary" as used in /jp/ is a piece of board slang that has taken on its own meaning, the same way that "fag" on 4chan doesn't quite mean what the same word does elsewhere.

But even given the traditional /jp/ definition there isn't anyone who would say you could be a primary without having played any of the games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583662
>Primary and secondary have basic English definitions. The real actual source is "primary". Everything else is "secondary".
Yeah, those are the scholarly definitions, you'll note. Touhou is not a scholarly pursuit.
>This is non-controversial and was only brought up because a certain retard decided an encyclopedia was a primary source.
It's only non-controversial because apparently everyone has decided to just not look up what Primary and Secondary actually mean outside of scholarly works. Seriously, go look up the definitions RIGHT NOW.

>It's still the primary medium of Touhou Project, an inseparable part of the experience
Absolutely irrelevant, unless you're talking about dodging bullet patterns and miscellaneous details, which is not what the vast majority of touhou threads are.

>and if you're not playing it you're not a primary. Full stop.
There you go misusing the scholarly primary again.

>Because most people are shit-eating secondaries who spend more time doing secondary shit than actually playing the game.
What the fuck are you going to talk about in the games besides characterization of characters? Music? Well, you can, but that's literally all opinions. Bullet patterns? Well great, you can hold that discussion ONCE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583674
Just a clarification, by saying "you are not a primary because you play the games" I did not mean to imply "playing the games is not a requirement". I meant to imply "playing the games in itself is not sufficient".

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583674
I don't care about /jp/'s redefinition; I'd agree that you need to play the games to understand it. I just find it obnoxious as fuck to use the scholarly concept of primary and secondary works as some kind of badge when it isn't even for analysis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583678
>Absolutely irrelevant, unless you're talking about dodging bullet patterns and miscellaneous details, which is not what the vast majority of touhou threads are.
The term "primary" is not context or thread-dependent.

>What the fuck are you going to talk about in the games besides characterization of characters? Music? Well, you can, but that's literally all opinions. Bullet patterns? Well great, you can hold that discussion ONCE.
Just because you can't effectively shitpost about it on social media doesn't mean it doesn't matter. It's an integral part of the work.

>Seriously, go look up the definitions RIGHT NOW.
Find me a definition showing that a script of a VN is just as "primary" as the actual VN itself and I'll show you a retarded definition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583678
>which is not what the vast majority of touhou threads are
Not surprising, considering that primaries were always a small minority on /jp/ - /a/'s Taiwan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583696
You're dodging the point. Here, since apparently you can't do a google search, here's the dictionary entry for 'primary'.
1.
first or highest in rank or importance; chief; principal:
his primary goals in life.
2.
first in order in any series, sequence, etc.
3.
first in time; earliest; primitive.
4.
of, relating to, or characteristic of primary school:
the primary grades.
5.
constituting or belonging to the first stage in any process.
6.
of the nature of the ultimate or simpler constituents of which something complex is made up:
Animals have a few primary instincts.
7.
original; not derived or subordinate; fundamental; basic.
(in scholarly studies) pertaining to or being a firsthand account, original data, etc., or based on direct knowledge, as in primary source; primary research.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583705
Or because it's a bit boring to talk about what amounts to a memorization shooter on all but a few bosses?
I've played most of the series through, and honestly there's just not that much to talk about in the game once you've gone over the bullet patterns once. I'd much rather talk about visual and sound design than (spell card X,Y,Z).

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583707
And zero of these definitions cause the wiki to qualify.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583719
Once again, the scripts are literally copy-pasted and quoted (and verified to be as such), which would make it as good as a primary source in a scholarly document.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583541
but it's not even a character from the real games

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583726
So would a screenshot of the title screen, but looking at that wouldn't qualify you to be a "primary."

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583736
>"primary."
You keep using that word. I don't see how it's relevant to the possible truthfulness of the series.


>Screenshot of the title screen
No, but looking at a screenshot of every frame of the entire game would, which is what reading the script would do for understanding the story/characters.

[Anonymous No.]

I am not utterly convinced that Touhou does not have a fandom. It has a religion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583748
It's got quite a few religions, actually.

Also, my god those noses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583743
You misunderstand the word primary and think it's somehow a badge of pride where people care about story and characters when it's just a sign of people playing the games i.e. the original sources of these characters.

You are not a baseball player if you only watch it on TV and read the rules on a book, you are a baseball player when you experience it by playing yourself, the same for a Touhou primary fan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583743
>You keep using that word. I don't see how it's relevant to the possible truthfulness of the series.
I haven't said shit about the truthfulness of the series. I've only said what the term means. In fact you seem to be the one insisting on the scholarly definition to make the wiki a primary source (for writing a paper on Touhou or whatever), as literally no other definition has it qualify.

>No, but looking at a screenshot of every frame of the entire game would, which is what reading the script would do for understanding the story/characters.
"Secondary fan" and "primary fan" are used to refer to Touhou Project as a whole, not just the script. And that's taking for granted that spell cards and music don't constitute a meaningful form of expression.

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>>13583748
Jesus christ, please don't post that stupid crap on /jp/.

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>>13583757
>primary
and yet, you're the one using the wrong definition.
>people care about story and characters when it's just a sign of people playing the games i.e. the original sources of these characters.
You don't need to play the games to read a script, which contains all of their characterization given the lack of, once again, acting or voice acting. False comparison to baseball.


>>13583758
>I haven't said shit about the truthfulness of the series.
Then please stop using Primary and Secondary for anything but their intended purposes, which is determining the truthfulness of a quote/claim.

>In fact you seem to be the one insisting on the scholarly definition to make the wiki a primary source (for writing a paper on Touhou or whatever), as literally no other definition has it qualify.
Let's start off with the obvious thing here; No other definition would remotely apply to it or your misuse of the word Primary anyway, so set that fallacy aside.
>to make the wiki a primary source
Well, if it's got a direct sourced quote that's verified to be correct(I.E, the script) I would take that as a primary source or at least a source of equal value , yes.

>"Secondary fan" and "primary fan" are used to refer to Touhou Project as a whole, not just the script.
Says what source? Oh wait, it's entirely fanon and not recognized by anything.

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>>13583748
fuck

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>>13583781
The wrong definition?

Even your quoted wiki said this:
original; not derived or subordinate; fundamental; basic.
>(in scholarly studies) pertaining to or being a firsthand account, original data, etc., or based on direct knowledge, as in primary source; primary research.

The game IS the primary source, even the wiki is quoting it, and only PARTS of it, because the script themselves are just a part of the games.

And no, it's not a false comparison to baseball, Touhou is a game series with a bunch of spinoff literature.

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>>13583781
>Then please stop using Primary and Secondary for anything but their intended purposes
The fuck? Intended by who?

>No other definition would remotely apply to it or your misuse of the word Primary anyway, so set that fallacy aside.
Are the Touhou games the primary component of Touhou Project, using a colloquial definition of "primary"? Yes. No intelligent human being would dispute this.

>Well, if it's got a direct sourced quote that's verified to be correct(I.E, the script) I would take that as a primary source or at least a source of equal value , yes.
For writing history essays.

>Says what source? Oh wait, it's entirely fanon and not recognized by anything.
It's the way that it's historically been used in /jp/ (and the only way it makes any fucking sense anyway). It can't be "fanon" because it's a statement about the real world, not Gensokyo.

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>>13583762
Make me.

Touhou art is touhou art, regardless of source. I found the picture amusing, even f the style is not anime-like.

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>>13583799
Western art, except slavic master race, should go on /vg/ or /co/.

I need to be a nazi at this because that shit is cancer.

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>>13583799
He can't force you to do so, but he can politely request that you please stop posting it, which he did.

Also it's just ugly. People don't care that much when people post Setz or whatever.

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We have come to the stage where people haven't played the games consider themselves to not be secondary.

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>>13583796
>quoted wiki
That's the dictionary.
>and only PARTS of it, because the script themselves are just a part of the games.
And the only parts that matter, for 90% of the discussions had on this board (and that's being generous with the last 10%.) That's like claiming the culture in Gaul was integral to understanding Julius Caesar's motivations, when it's irrelevant because it doesn't notably affect them in any meaningful way.
>The game IS the primary source, even the wiki is quoting it
Which makes it of equal value for the things that it quotes.

>And no, it's not a false comparison to baseball, Touhou is a game series with a bunch of spinoff literature.
It would only matter if any of the discussions about "primaries" were about dodging spell patterns (which it isn't, just look up further in the thread, it's all about characterization). It's less about playing baseball, managing your own swings, etc. and more about talking about a stadium or a particular year's weather because you're not talking about anything that needs personal skill.
>>13583798
>The fuck? Intended by who?
Scholarly works. Have you missed EVERYTHING that's been said so far?
>using a colloquial definition of "primary"?
>It's the way that it's historically been used in /jp/
Right, you're an idiot. Nothing more to be said.

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>>13578476
>36
I'm alright.
That said, I don't think it'd really bother me if she didn't even make top 40 at all.

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>>13583821
>Scholarly works. Have you missed EVERYTHING that's been said so far?
There's been a backlash against the use of "scholarly definition only."

>Right, you're an idiot. Nothing more to be said.
So we're not actually talking about "primary" and "secondary" fans, and talking exclusively to the way a source should be referred to as a historical reference?

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>>13583821
I would disagree right there that you think the scripts are the only parts that matter.

That's just your opinion, even the fucking Touhou poll has a music selection.
>It would only matter if any of the discussions about "primaries" were about dodging spell patterns (which it isn't, just look up further in the thread, it's all about characterization).
How do you even know that this thread has "primary" discussion? Do you mean canon discussion? That does not necessarily mean it's a discussion between primaries.

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>>13583829
>So we're not actually talking about "primary" and "secondary" fans, and talking exclusively to the way a source should be referred to as a historical reference?
Not necessarily historical, any scholarly work that requires analysis (not the mathematical kind) but yes. Using an incorrect definition just because it's been used in the past doesn't make it any more correct.

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>>13583840
>incorrect definition
It's board jargon at this point. You can tell because it's being used to refer to people. Whine about it's "incorrectness" when we're having a debate in the comment section of the Journal of Asiatic Studies.

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>>13583837
>I would disagree right there that you think the scripts are the only parts that matter.
They're the only parts that matter for characterization, which is, once again, 90% of what people talk about.
>That's just your opinion, even the fucking Touhou poll has a music selection.
Music files are available online as direct rips. You don't need to play the games to listen to them, the sound quality will be nigh-identical.

>How do you even know that this thread has "primary" discussion?
I'll save myself the dodging around the issue and just link you to 'primaries' and 'secondaries'.
>>13583242
>>13583259
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>>13583299
>>13583167
>>13583125
>>13583103
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>>13582836
>>13581107
>>13580942
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>>13579637
Is that enough? There's more.

>>13583848
>It's board jargon at this point.
My bad, I forgot you were an idiot.

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>>13583854
>My bad, I forgot you were an idiot.
It is, and has been for a long time, the primary way in which the word has been used in the board.

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This kind of reminds me of the time I wrote a paper on Beowolf without actually reading Beowolf.
Not related in any way, but just thought I'd share.

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>>13583860
That sounds... Difficult. How'd you get quotes?

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>>13583854
>They're the only parts that matter for characterization, which is, once again, 90% of what people talk about.
What people talk about doesn't mean it's primary contents. More people talk about fan works than the actual canon, does that mean primaries are now fans of fanwork?
>Music files are available online as direct rips. You don't need to play the games to listen to them, the sound quality will be nigh-identical.
You do need to play the game to get the sum of its part, from music, to visual, to script. ZUN talks about this in his music comments.
>I'll save myself the dodging around the issue and just link you to 'primaries' and 'secondaries'.
Nearly half of these posts are made by me, and the matter to contest is whether they have played the game or not, not about any stupid story or characters.

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>>13583863
I didn't use any.
I did watch that really shitty movie though.

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>>13583867
Jesus, then you are a fucking secondary.

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>>13583854
>My bad, I forgot you were an idiot.
What the fuck are you even trying to argue that a "primary" is? Strictly speaking it's not even a fucking noun.

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>>13583866
>What people talk about doesn't mean it's primary contents.
Irrelevant argument, the statement is refuting that you need to have seen the whole game in order to understand what's being talked about, when the script is just as good for that issue in every case other than a handful of outliers.
>You do need to play the game to get the sum of its part, from music, to visual, to script. ZUN talks about this in his music comments.
Which is irrelevant to the VAST MAJORITY of discussions that 'primary' or 'secondary' come up in. MAYBE you MIGHT have a point in a few rare arguments about bullet patterns -- but that's never talked about.
>and the matter to contest is whether they have played the game or not
Then please stop using a word for scholarly truthfulness in documents.
>>13583875
>What the fuck are you even trying to argue that a "primary" is?
A primary source. You know, the actual definition rather than some random wrong definition people use because they used it wrongly in the past.

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>>13583882
>random wrong definition
Except now you're just as wrong and retarded about grammar because adjectives and nouns aren't interchangeable.

The word has had a roughly consistent meaning when used in /jp/ starting six or seven years ago as a term for use by a subculture to refer to a certain kind of person, and that's the term most people are arguing about.

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>>13583894
>Except now you're just as wrong and retarded about grammar because adjectives and nouns aren't interchangeable.
Of course they aren't. It's an adjective, but I'm quoting people who are mistakenly using it as a noun. Note the quotes.
>The word has had a roughly consistent meaning when used in /jp/ starting six or seven years ago as a term for use by a subculture to refer to a certain kind of person, and that's the term most people are arguing about.
So, using the wrong definition then, and claiming it's right because you've been wrong for a while?
You're also/still an idiot.

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>>13583882
>Irrelevant argument, the statement is refuting that you need to have seen the whole game in order to understand what's being talked about, when the script is just as good for that issue in every case other than a handful of outliers.
If we follow ZUN's words, you do actually need to play the games in order to get the endings, but unfortunately the internet isn't kind to that rule. And no, you do need to play the games to understand what they are talking, the scripts alone lack context, which is why so many so-called "loremaster" misunderstand the lore.
>Which is irrelevant to the VAST MAJORITY of discussions that 'primary' or 'secondary' come up in. MAYBE you MIGHT have a point in a few rare arguments about bullet patterns -- but that's never talked about.
Uh no, again, the primary and secondary were used regularly because it's a stereotype: primary played the games so they know more, secondary didn't play the games so they rely on fanon. This doesn't mean you get to change the definitions into something they are not.
>Then please stop using a word for scholarly truthfulness in documents.
Uh, primary sources can also mean:
CREATIVE WORKS: Poetry, drama, novels, music, art
RELICS OR ARTIFACTS: Pottery, furniture, clothing, buildings

It does not just mean fucking documents.

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>>13583896
>So, using the wrong definition then
It's the slang definition generally agreed on by the local community, the same way that "fag" doesn't necessarily mean "homosexual" on 4chan.

It's not in the dictionary, yes. If that's the only complaint you had - your next job is to wonder why anybody here should give a shit.

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>>13583897
>If we follow ZUN's words, you do actually need to play the games in order to get the endings, but unfortunately the internet isn't kind to that rule. And no, you do need to play the games to understand what they are talking, the scripts alone lack context, which is why so many so-called "loremaster" misunderstand the lore.
Death of the author; what ZUN says doesn't matter when it's out in the wild. Just because someone reads the script wrong or misinterprets it doesn't mean you can't understand the text by reading the script -- that's a retarded assumption.
>This doesn't mean you get to change the definitions into something they are not.
You're using the wrong definition and claiming it's right because you've been wrong for a while.
>It does not just mean fucking documents.
Of course not, but we're talking primarily about text here. Also, largely irrelevant because a pot or chair, etc. is very often not going to have much to do with research except as an object of primary research.
>Poetry, drama, novels,
All documents.
>music, art
Probably won't be cited except as part of primary research.

>>13583900
Then please stop using the wrong definition.

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>>13583909
>Then please stop using the wrong definition.
The definition is correct per local conventions, as it was a term coined on the board. Stop demanding that people cease all use of slang, everywhere.

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>>13583916
>as it was a term coined on the board.
Right, idiot. I don't know why I keep replying.

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>>13583922
That particular use was. Slang words are often new uses of existing language.

>Right, idiot. I don't know why I keep replying.
Because you're a autistic, pedantic shitposter.

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>>13578640
all the NTR-scum only appealing to the doujins

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has anyone said kuso thread yet?

kuso thread

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>>13583909
>Death of the author; what ZUN says doesn't matter when it's out in the wild. Just because someone reads the script wrong or misinterprets it doesn't mean you can't understand the text by reading the script -- that's a retarded assumption.
It's not a retarded assumption because plenty of people have misunderstood the game by just reading the script before, and I would argue that you yourself is not a so much "loremaster" either, given you haven't played the games. Not to mention some of the parts are mistranslated, but that's besides the point.
>You're using the wrong definition and claiming it's right because you've been wrong for a while.
I argue that I do not. The Touhou games are the primary sources, the scripts are just a part of it.
>Of course not, but we're talking primarily about text here.
No, it's just you. From the beginning, I have made my point that the fact you have played the game is what counts.
>Also, largely irrelevant because a pot or chair, etc. is very often not going to have much to do with research except as an object of primary research.
If you are doing a primary research on the Touhou games, it's impossibly to not talk about the visual and the music and the sum of it, just like if you do a primary research on guns, you need to touch and shoot said guns for it to hold value, otherwise you are just repeating quotes.

Also, if death of author applies, fanon is basically canon, why bother with what ZUN said at all? Just make your own shit up.

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Is it me or has /jp/ been taking it very very uneasy lately.

It seems like the rate of hostile arguments has quadrupled. I can recall like 6 threads from this past week that really took a really sour turn.

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>>13583936
>given you haven't played the games.
I've played up to and including SA. Good baseless assumption.
>The Touhou games are the primary sources, the scripts are just a part of it.
Agreed. But that doesn't make anything a 'primary' seeing as that's not a word.
>No, it's just you. From the beginning, I have made my point that the fact you have played the game is what counts.
>>13583418
Next.
>just like if you do a primary research on guns, you need to touch and shoot said guns for it to hold value, otherwise you are just repeating quotes.
You can do a lot of primary research on guns without touching it. You can catalog the parts. You can compile statistics. You can determine construction methods.
> Just make your own shit up.
Well, that's pretty much what analysis is, but you do need to actually ANALYZE the words he wrote in the story proper if you're writing about the characters, or about the music proper if you're writing about music, etc.

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>>13583939
I'm uneasy when people change definition of words I use.

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>>13583948
>But that doesn't make anything a 'primary' seeing as that's not a word.
It's a slang word used in /jp/, or if you're going to be a super strict autistic fuck about it, a slang use of an existing word.

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>>13583951
I'm going to bring up that I didn't care until people began to use the document definition of it to defend the slang.
Here: >>13583418

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>>13583936
> plenty of people have misunderstood the game by just reading the script before

Plenty of (western) people have misundetstood the game because they read the translation/localization that's put into the game, which was horrible for the early games, and is still missing all the untranslatable puns and references of the later games.

Only if you can read Japanese, or at least read the wiki's translation + the notes explaining the references can you understand everything that's going on.

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>>13583950
>>13583958

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>>13583958
That guy made a poor choice in choosing the one and only definition of "primary" that qualifies the scripts on the wiki as being as primary as the actual games and we should burn him at the stake.

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>>13583948
>I've played up to and including SA. Good baseless assumption.
Then you are still a secondary for the rest of the titles, friend.
>Agreed. But that doesn't make anything a 'primary' seeing as that's not a word.
Primary is short for primary fan, short for fan who experience the source first hand.
>Next.
I quoted the damn website to prove to you that Touhou games are the primary sources.
>You can do a lot of primary research on guns without touching it. You can catalog the parts. You can compile statistics. You can determine construction methods.
Then you are not doing research on specific guns. You are doing research on guns in a general concept. I personally would not trust your research on AR15 if you yourself haven't shot an AR15.
>Well, that's pretty much what analysis is, but you do need to actually ANALYZE the words he wrote in the story proper if you're writing about the characters, or about the music proper if you're writing about music, etc.
You don't need to care about any of that shit, just look at the character design and form your own fanon, there, your own analysis based on character design.

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>>13583959
The point is the wiki's translation serves as AID, to help you understand the game.

And even the wiki's translation is too flawed at times.

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>>13583977
>>13583959
well fix it you fags

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>>13583958
I quoted that goddamn website and no, it says that a fucking pot or chair can be a primary source.

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>>13583971
>Then you are still a "secondary" for the rest of the titles, friend.
Irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

>I quoted the damn website to prove to you that Touhou games are the primary sources.
To prove to someone else. I didn't come in until you flagrantly misused the definition of primary/secondary sources to back up your slang.
>Then you are not doing research on specific guns. You are doing research on guns in a general concept
No, I'd be doing research on one kind of gun. Let's go with AR15s since you used that example. I catalog every part of an AR15, what it does, it's general use, where it was produced and with what parts. This would be extremely useful research if you wanted to know about AR15s even if I had never touched a gun.
>You don't need to care about any of that shit, just look at the character design and form your own fanon, your own analysis based on character design.
That would work if you were talking about character design only. If you're talking about any sort of characterization, you'd need the actual text.
>Primary is short for primary fan, short for fan who experience the source first hand.
Still using slang then. Discarded.

>>13583983
I'm trying to think of a way that a chair or pot could be a primary source. It'd need to have writing on it, otherwise it'd just be material for actual primary research in most cases. There's probably something I've overlooked. Likely talking about artistic style or something.

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>>13583992
Oh never mind then, we were talking about imageboard slangs.

If you discard slang as a concept, there's nothing else to argue.

And no, your research on gun is not even primary research, you are basically quoting primary sources and making judgment based on it. How the fuck do you know about the AR15 general use, when you yourself do not use an AR15?

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>>13584016
>If you discard slang as a concept, there's nothing else to argue.
I guess there isn't. Enjoy bastardizing the language.
>How the fuck do you know about the AR15 general use, when you yourself do not use an AR15?
Compiling data that hasn't been compiled yet is primary research.

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>>13584029
>Compiling data that hasn't been compiled yet is primary research.
The data you want to compile (general use, places of production, part assembly) have been done a long time ago.

Now your experience firing an AR15? That can be a primary topic.

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>>13579456
We dream theater now?

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>>13583748
This is fucking terrible
>body positive kanako
>dark skin color reimu


Don't ever post this shit again you fucking secondary fucking nigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>13583805
Lmao weeb get fucked

[Anonymous No.]

>>13586550
No you get fucked bucko.