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Worst route/chapter of your favorite VN?

>> No.13562242

Phantom of Inferno, Mio route.

It has a better and more drawn out final fight, but the ending is just a bit too perfect and Zwei has too little time with Mio for their romance to be convincing.

>> No.13562320

Looking Glass Insects in Subahibi. Dragged on for far too long and it was really hard to feel any sympathy for Zakuro since she was being so retarded about the whole thing. The ending was cool, though.

>> No.13562693

>>13562229
Seacats. That last chapter was shit.

>> No.13563020

>>13562229
Tsumihoroboshi-hen was pretty cool imo, matsuribayashi-hen was the weakest. R07 just can't write endings.

>> No.13563090

Heaven's Feel except for the last few days.

>> No.13563117
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The final one.

>> No.13563159

>>13563020
I disliked both.
Rena's arc fucked up with the ending "and then they just had fun making sparks with a meat cleaaver and a bat".

But the final arc was bad because
>Forced sympathy for the villain
>kids defeating a pmc
>Mion beating Okonogi in hand to hand combat
I wanted a happy ending, but I disliked how Higurashi ended. I actually think Minagoroshi-hen was a pretty good ending. I hated it becaus my waifu was murdered, but it wrapped things up well, if on a sad/infuriating note.

Favourite end was Watanagashi-Hen. Favourte chapter was either Tatarigoroshi or Onikakushi.

>> No.13563298

>>13563159
>forced sympathy for the villain
Agreed. Was it really necessary to thrown in the bad childhood cliche? I liked Takano for being mysterious and a manipulative bitch. She didn't need a Freudian Excuse.
>kids defeating pmc
Don't get me started on this. It's the biggest let down in the entire series. I get it that they are super badass kids and everything but defeating an elite group like Yamainu with Home Alone tier traps and tactics...nah, just made me cringe.
>Mion beating Okonogi
Wow, did it really happen? It's been a while since I read the VN but holy shit...I only remembered Akasaka beating the crap out of him.

It's a shame miotsukushi-hen isn't translated, from its summary it's 10 times better matsuribayashi-hen- Or at least they could have made an OVA. We get shit like Kira animated but not the ps2/ps3/ds arcs. Seriously?

Tatarigoroshi-hen > Onikakushi-hen > Meakashi-hen > Tsumihoroboshi-hen > Watanagashi-hen > Himatsubushi-hen > Minagoroshi-hen > shit > Matsuribayashi-hen
is my list. Overall, Tatarigoroshi is what I think truly captures the essence of the series. Such a hopeless, dark chapter. Nothing tops it.

>> No.13564241

>>13563298
I dint care about it being dark and hopeless. I just love stuff where reality is blurred, and you cant seperate fact and fiction. Lots of people praise HP Lovecraft for his horror, but my favourite story of his is Polaris, and it's not a story with his "unspeakable horrors", just a guy who cant tell what's real and what isnt. That scares me much more, and thats what I loved about Higurashi until I got the answers.

Anyway, yeah Mion beat him. At the end he catches up with them and explains how Takano would be killed eventually, and he fights Mion giving her tips, despite her kicking his ass. It's just beyond dumb a teenage girl who stocks a few shelves, can compete with a trained killer who is a grown up man.
I get Satoko's stuff was foreshadowed, but it was still totally out of place. Her stuff was just pranksterish, and more comedic. It being used seriously went against the tone Higurashi had set. It doesnt have to be all grimdark, but when you have a mafia family, and Oyashiro sama worshipers, you have a bunch of other options.

I liked it when they were hiding in the torture chamber, but it went downhill after that. (After it climbed out of the pit, that was the attempt at making the villain sypathetic)

>> No.13564914

>>13563298
>It's a shame miotsukushi-hen isn't translated, from its summary it's 10 times better matsuribayashi-hen-
If you are looking for a more realistic version, it's not happening.

The villain is still going to redeem herself and we have fucking Hanyuu helping Keiichi and Rika dodging bullets like the Matrix.

>> No.13565061

>>13562693
I liked the very ending and Bern's mystery, but yeah everything else was really bad and I liked Chiru

>> No.13569809

>>13564914
Yeah, but at least Hanyuu dies right? That alone makes me want to read the whole thing.
*sigh* Why can't R07 write good endings? His works would be pretty good if he didn't fuck up the last parts of the story.

>>13565061
Bern's mystery was too predictable though....

>> No.13569835

>>13563298
>Agreed. Was it really necessary to thrown in the bad childhood cliche? I liked Takano for being mysterious and a manipulative bitch. She didn't need a Freudian Excuse.

i usually hate that cliche but i think it worked pretty well for higurashi, just as that "here's rika trapped for a zillion years doing the same shit, the reason she can't break out is because her resolve is nowhere near as strong as takano's," it didn't sound as cheesy as it usually does to me, anyway.

>> No.13569889

Chinatsu's route in baldr sky

>> No.13570038

>>13569809
How does Hanyuu die make a good ending?

And at the end Hanyuu hints she will come back as long as they still got faith for her, and Rike hears her voice.

>> No.13571877

>>13570038
It makes a good enough ending for me since I dislike Hanyuu. She and Rika are so annoying.

>> No.13571885

>>13571877
Oh well, since I never hate any of the main cast, I don't share that opinion.

>> No.13571887

>>13569835
Ryukishi overuses that cliché.
Takano in Higurashi, Ange in Umineko.

>> No.13571905

>>13562229
Katawa Shoujo, Hanako route.
Feels rushed and incomplete, with the story going from "what a day to be studying and Hi Hanako!" to completely skipping everything and just showing Hisao's interactions with her.

>> No.13571911

>>13571887
I think you could add Rosa to that list too.

>>13571885
I think I wouldn't dislike them this much if they were the main characters to begin with. But having Keiichi as a protagonist was just way better imo. The bar was set too high.

>> No.13571914

>>13571911
What I like with Keiichi is that he's directly responsable for what happened in his childhood, and yet he's not angsty over it. Until it's rubbed in his face.

And you could probably add Maria too.

>> No.13571937

>>13571914
That's why Keiichi says " All mistakes should be forgiven ". He knows from experience that everyone can do bad things and make mistakes under certain circumstances. What I like about R07 is that he writes his protagonists like they are totally normal, cliche protags but when you dig deeper into story you realize they are very complex characters. Battler is the other example ofc.

>And you could probably add Maria too
If you really think about it, most of the characters had shit childhood in Umineko. Everyone had their share of anxieties and problems.

>> No.13571944

>>13571937
Battler was a personal favourite during episode 1. He stays calm, is pretty funny, and is flawed enough to feel realistic.
And then episode 2 arrives and he turns into your average video game character that is so dumb he falls into every trap and has to be explained everything.

>> No.13571973

>>13571944
The thing that pissed me off the most about him was his " It wasn't the witch! But it wasn't one of us either! " mentality. I mean seriously? I get it they are your family and all but make up your mind already. And then came episode 6....where he turns into Kinzo 2.0.

>> No.13572005

>>13571973
Yeah, he causes a long stalemate. That's rather annoying, because it means filling in while the plot does not progress.

>> No.13572012

Is there a word for that short depression that you have when you finish a good book?

>> No.13572016

>>13572012
"Afterglow".

>> No.13572047

>>13572016
The drug term?

>> No.13572051

Sharin no Kuni
I had to drop it because Natsuhi's route made me bang my head against the wall too much.

>> No.13572055

>>13572047
Also used in sex and shit.

You felt so good that it left a comforting impression afterwards.

>> No.13572060

>>13572051
*Natsumi
shit, enough Umineko for me today...

>> No.13572277
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13572277

Everything in Sunrider.
>research & developpement lab
>on a military carrier
>the captain's quarters are exposed to enemy fire

I'm not pretending to be an expert about spaceships, but that doesn't seem logical.

>> No.13576787

>>13572055
Then that's the wrong term.

>> No.13577089
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>>13572277
How does it hold up otherwise? Because a VN on a spaceship sounds kind of cool.

>> No.13577107

>>13577089
There are some RPG/STR elements, like Utawaremeroetmnomrtoetwhatthefuckisthatonecalled

>> No.13577359

>>13577089
It's free. It automatically makes it decent.
It's not a pay2win like Tribes, which makes it better.
It's not a grindfest like Warframe, which makes it even better.

>> No.13579469

>>13577089
It's sadly filled with clichés. Not VN clichés, but anime clichés.

>> No.13579534

>>13577107
if you can't remember its name then you must not know japanese

>> No.13579538

>>13579534
I already have problem with English. Want me to dance the carrioca too?

Fucking limey, I swear...

>> No.13579564

>>13579538
This is not only an EOP thread, but an ESL thread.

>> No.13579569

>>13579564
Qué?

>> No.13583656

>>13562229
There isn't such a thing as a bad arc in Higurashi. Everything was well built in the narrative. Of course, you can dislike some parts, but that's your problem.

>> No.13583732

>>13583656
>"you can't dislike parts"
>but you can dislike parts"
Qué?

>> No.13583782

>>13583732
Read it again, he's saying you can dislike it but it doesn't mean it's bad.

>> No.13583794

>>13583782
I dislike you because you're bad.

>> No.13583811

>>13583794
For you.

>> No.13583818

>>13583811
That's just your opinion.

>> No.13583824

>>13583818
You too.

>> No.13583836

>>13583824
I'm only stating the objective truth. You're whining that "huurrr higusha is purrrfect every part of it is purrfect even its flaccid dick"

>> No.13583843

>>13583836
No, you aren't. You need to debate with that guy to prove that shit first.

Otherwise, both of you are just stating your opinions on the matter.

>> No.13583847

>>13583656
When will people stop sucking R07's dick? I mean he isn't the worst writer but certainly isn't the best either. He is mediocre.

>> No.13583857

>>13583847
He was decent with Higurashi.
At least with the very first arc. I expected cute girls, I got punched in the face.

After that, I dunno if it's because I expected it or not, but I feel like the following arcs had less punch to them.

And then Umineko arrived, and it was awful.
Between Ange's cliché school story, Battler and Beatrice arguing like two trolls on a Chinese cartoon imageboard, and the ambient gore shoved down your throat instead of being suggested like it was in Higurashi.

>> No.13583906

>>13583857
Seriously I don't know how the fuck you expected cute girls with that demented art.

Then again, you might be the same EOP gore-hater I argued last year.

>> No.13583918

>>13583906
Why do you argue about EOP gore-hater? Do you have brain damage?

>> No.13583937

>>13583918
if there's a convenient way to shit on random people you can bet someone will take it

>> No.13583944

>>13583918
I argue against a dude who wanted some murder mystery recommendation.

He is an EOP, and he super hates gore.

>> No.13583949

>>13583944
I can't find that dude anywhere.
You sure you're not seeing things?

>> No.13583991

>>13583949
>and the ambient gore shoved down your throat instead of being suggested like it was in Higurashi.
I dunno, this reminds me of him.

>> No.13584002

>>13583857
Higurashi Question Arcs were pretty good, but then came Kai and it just felt flat compared to the previous arcs. Also, the ending sucked big time.

Umineko ep 1 was bait, I enjoyed it way too much and expected the other episodes to be like this too. Still, ep 3 and 5 managed to entertain me, but after that it really went downhill.

>> No.13584020

>>13584002
Yeah, the first episode was good. You actually saw how the main character looked like, there was real mystery, and the fact that almost everyone was family gave a special feeling. It wasn't just a bunch of random strangers on an island, it was a family meeting going wrong, and I liked that.

Dunno about Higurashi's ending, though, since there's apparently a good one where everyone lives, and a dark and edgy one wher Hanyu dies.

>> No.13584023

>>13583847
Look, I didn't want to look like that. I mean, I honestly thought Higurasi was pretty decent, but not perfect. It's just that most of complaints people have aren't really bad writing; just opinions.

If you really want to see faggots sucking R07's dick, you should check /a/.

>> No.13584034

>>13584020
The one where Hanyuu dies isn't dark or edgy.

It's just a lot more elaborate than the R07 ending, and a lot more over the top as a result, we have PMC firing RPG at Rena after all.

>> No.13584048

>>13584034
>The one where Hanyuu dies isn't dark or edgy.
lol opinion
>PMC
Yamainu aren't PMC.

>> No.13584211

>>13583857
Did you really not enjoy Battler and Beatrice's banter?

>> No.13584680

>>13584211
I don't appreciate shitposting. And Battler and Beatrice's discussion quickly turned into it.

Minus the reaction pics and the greentexting.

>> No.13584835

I'm still surprised there's no /jp/ mod of Umineko, complete with Battler spouting "prove it bitch" and "nice photoshop whore, how about a real proof for once" and Beatrice saying "yeah right witches dont exist, i bet you also think that salem was just a mass hysteria" and "relax your anus faggot it's time for your daily pounding, you'll get used to it".
Meanwhile, Maria is making a tinfoil hat.

>> No.13584969

>>13584680
The debates were some of the best parts of the game though.

>> No.13584977

>>13584969
It says a lot about the game if the best part are two stubborn morons trolling the fuck out of each other.

>> No.13585095

>>13584977
It says a lot about yourself if you think that what they were doing was 'trolling'.

>> No.13585137

>>13585095
>implyng shitposting isn't trolling
>implying constantly trying to piss off Battler by calling him shit and incompetent isn't trolling
>implying implications

>> No.13585143

Umineko, Episode 8 of course.

>> No.13585156

>>13585143
It's unusual to see someone who dislikes EP8, but still considers Umineko to be their 'favourite visual novel'.

>> No.13585163

>>13585137
Please go back to /a/ or wherever you came from.

>> No.13585178

>>13585163
>got rekt
>get mad
>"p-please go back so i can pretend i won an internet argument"

>> No.13585184

>>13585163
Just about everyone in this thread needs to leave /jp/. There are only 2 replies that aren't EOP shit.

>> No.13585191

>>13585184
Cool. When are you going to fuck off, then?

>> No.13585195

>>13585178
If your 'argument' consists entirely of greentext used for the sake of their meme-value, then you probably didn't 'win' anything.

>> No.13585198

>>13585191
I have no need to, as unlike yourself I am not an EOP.

>> No.13585203

>>13585195
>still this mad
You sound salty.

>> No.13585367

>>13585184
yeah, and no one replied to my non-eop post. fuck you too you nigger, at least they are discussing VNs

>> No.13585517

>>13585367
>inb4 he accuses you of being a shitposter

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