Elona+

[Anonymous No.]

You are the godslayer!

Last thread: >>13425760
Pastebin: http://pastebin.com/T2RCwdh8

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When you kill a god, do their inner gods automatically become aggressive? If they kill you/you leave the area and return are they still aggressive? I want to kill Deus ex Manina, and I'm thinking of using a billion flying scrolls to be able to wield frisia's tail. I'll just astral light pen the tail.

I am a fairy, this will take a lot of scrolls.

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>>13446952
Wanna see something old?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Utpd1FfDIEQ

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I just started playing, but the game keeps freezing whenever I try to quit (or save specifically so I don't retain the character).

Does anyone know the solution to this? I put in like an hour or so on my first character for it to get wiped, then tried to make a second.

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>>13447269
No idea, but F1 is quicksave.

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>>13447279
what are the rules on quick save? Are we talking like a "suspend" type one use save or just a hotkey for saving?

I spent most of my time on the first character suicide rushing the puppy cave, trying to haul some items out (and usually dying horribly to things like hungry ghosts and kobolds) instead.

Actually not sure what I should be doing. In general, broke and out of food. Still not familiar with the rules of death, it seems that you drop some items, but I can't tell if its all of them or not.

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Does anyone know if eggs/milk rot?

I am about to complete the story quest for 2 year time skip and don't know if I should clear ranches first and slaughter all monsters except 1 or what?

also any other shit I should get out of the way? Pretty sure I have all quests done except:

nuke palmia

little sister quest

guild rank

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>>13447352
quit the game with shift-S

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>>13447418
that still takes you to do the do you want to exit and save choice, which is what freezes the game.

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Is the kumiromi fairy even worth the bullshit for a few more seeds?

I already have an exile, defender, golden knight, and kaneda bike. Any more pets and I feel like they would stagnante (and me too).

or should I just focus on getting 10+ kumi statues?

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>>13447558
Yes, every little bit that helps you potentially get herb seeds helps. Why do you feel like you're stagnating anon? You shouldn't be adventuring around with more than 2 pets anyways. Most people if they do use pets only train one at a time anyhow. Put all other pets on standby and leave them at town, the doujou, or the discarded ranch.

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>>13447593
alright cool.

does the exile scale well (specifically spell damage)?

If he doesn't I guess it is defender/golden for healing and tanking.

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>>13447622
Pet casting power is mainly tied to it's casting ability unlike the player which uses a formula based on spell levels. The formula for pet casting power is

Casting * 6 + 10

So just make sure he's leveling up his casting skill.

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>>13447664
I really wish a tiny bit of casting power was tied to casting for the player. As far as I understand it's a nigh useless skill once you level most spells up even a little bit.

The only thing it's good for is wish.

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>>13447450
alt f4 you dumb nigger

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I choose to lie on my back when I die
cum at me

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>>13447701
you illiterate fuck, the motion of turning off the game, either through save+exit or alt-f4 freezes the game. Hence me asking about alternate saves because the freeze and crash is inevitable.

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If I have a pet wielding both the shield and smash tonfa, do I need to flying scroll either because of dual wield weight penalties? Or does it not count because shields?

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>>13447736
>"that still takes you to do the do you want to exit and save choice, which is what freezes the game."
That's not what you said there, but F1 is a hotkey for saving, and you can always try doing that and maybe finishing the process.

[Anonymous No.]

>choose ghost for roleplaying value
>no leg or arm slot until after vanilla storyline
suffering

[Anonymous No.]

Doesn't this game have rape and pregnancy?
Are you all perverts?

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>>13447821

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So I have a pen and some gifts.

I have heard yesterday penning Yacetect makes for a good shop keeper but she is level 350.

Does that mean I need to be minimum of level 176 to copy her or what?

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>>13447859
I believe so.
Tell us how it goes, I'll follow suit if she's as good as that anon says.

I'm still looking for thoughts on >>13447064
as well, since that's in a similar vein. I'll need 48 scrolls, I was at 30 but used some just now. I should have enough by the time I'm ready to kill a god.

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>>13446952
So, how do I become the godslayer? I could possibly beat a regular god by the skin of my teeth, but then I'd proceed to get steamrolled by the inner god.

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>>13448061
Put shoe on head.
Then grind until you can beat it.

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>>13448061
You kill an inner god.
Could you post your stats? If you can maybe beat a god I want to see how I measure up. Keep in mind this is without buff spells and I have the god swapping penalty.

The whole point of my character is to kill Deus ex Manina. I've been working out various plots to help speed that along. I think >>13447064
is a good one. Then there's stupidly overpowered summoned spirits. I have more but i can't quite remember them right now for some reason.

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When the wiki says you can "buy" a master thief at level 60.

does that mean from derphy?

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>>13447414
Milk does not rot. Slaughter all monsters but one. You don't need anything else done.

>>13447593
I travel with four pets, including mount.

>>13447746
They don't count.

>>13448735
Yes.

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If I'm using curarias and stomafilias for fusing and as a base due to them outperforming other herbed herbs, what should I do with the rest of the herbs?

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>>13448940
If you're following the herb in recipe you should be using a base which will be infused with one stomafilia, one curaria, and one rare herb. It should be noted that to use a curaria or stomafilia more than once in the herb in, as in the case of using them as a base, that you will need to create 2 different stacks of them, one blessed stack and one non blessed stack.

You will probably use herb in on your herbs until your rare herb supply of morgia, spenseweed, etc runs out. Once you can't herb in anymore then it's up to you what you want to do with your more common herbs. Eat them or store them away.

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>>13448081
I don't think that anon was claiming he killed a god but rather hypothesizing a situation wherein he does.

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>>13447859
I want big sister Yacatect to look over my shops.

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I have killed all the inner gods.

the god weapons are actually pretty nice if you're a caster and don't plan on ever using melee.

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>>13449998
picture related.

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>>13450019
>>13449998
>level 6xx

Jesus Christ highest I seen was 129.

If you could do it over again would you go caster, melee, ranged, or jack of all trades?

I am already 148 hours into the game and only level 41 (first character).

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>>13450035
I went long range -> shotgun + zero shoot -> caster, riding all the way.

On hindsight that was more or less the shortest route to power. perhaps I should have converted to magic a bit sooner though.

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>>13450054
Cool

what are your go to spells? dart or crystal spear I am assuming?

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>>13450071
magic storm and meteor. the latter is a great timesaver and level-upper.

against bosses or awakened dungeons, I use Provoke and Rampage to get 4x damage. It means I take 4x damage as well, of course, but high health + mana shield + high PV/holy shield makes it pretty survivable. Really limit breaks are the only thing that still gets through now.

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>>13450019
>>13450084
I remember Barbatos from old threads. You've played for almost a thousand hours now. Is there anything else you want to do in the game?

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welp just completed my first little sister quest and there isn't a cooler I dropped on death in the puppy cave months ago.

am I fucked? or is it redundant with 4-dimensional pocket refreshing food freshness?

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>>13450266
Precious items appear on the list only if identified.
If you didn't identify your cooler box, it's forever gone. Sorry.

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>>13449287
>Blessed or non blessed

Actually, if you just harvested a bunch of curaria you can just drop half the stack, identify one half, then pick up the other half and it'll work the same way without the blessed water being used.

>>13449500
Well that's disappointing.
I remember one anon said his 500 stat little girl could beat a god but only because she had a special action that let her survive more than one hit. I guess I'm not that far off, though I don't think I can get/maintain that special action.

>>13450019
That's very helpful thank you. Any words of advice? Your base stats aren't unattainable. How about your spell levels?

Did you astral light pen an inner god weapon before killing one? Or is there an easy inner god you started with to get the huge stat boost?

>>13450035
You'll start leveling up ridiculously fast once you hit awakened dungeons. It's still a really high level, but I think the stats are much more impressive.

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>>13450333
>I remember one anon said his 500 stat little girl could beat a god but only because she had a special action that let her survive more than one hit. I guess I'm not that far off, though I don't think I can get/maintain that special action.

Probably talking about me. The biggest reason she can do it is because of Attribute (the martial arts skill) with nether-aspect so that she heals massive amounts per turn. Super Armor is the skill that chops damage to a max of 20% of max health, but she doesn't keep it up enough for it to be reliable. Some things go through it as well, so unfortunately it's not the end-all be-all of tanking abilities.

My role in the fights is specifically to keep the gods from building 100% gauge. I use magic reaction to damage myself in order to build my own gauge, then use the disturbance special action to lower theirs. The only god that gives her trouble anymore is Opatos, since he can sometimes get an absolute piercing attack which can 1-shot her.

She can't take on any of the inner gods though. She simply doesn't have the health to deal with them yet. I'm hoping that in another 100-150 hours she'll be able to, but we'll see.

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>>13447859

It's ridiculously easy to level up when you already have access to either The Void or even Awakened Dungeons. Leveling up to 176 or whatever is a non-issue unless you're purposely tanking your level

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>>13450019

Is there a merit to getting your learning getting to ridiculous amounts besides additional skill points? I still don't know if high learning reduces the failure chance of reading a book of wishing by a considerable amount

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>>13447821

Where do you think you are?

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>>13450544
You get a chance to multiply skill exp gained.
The chance and the multiplier are based on learning.
Since i learned about it ( and saw it for myself ), i never spend a turn without divine knowledge up.

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>>13450563

This is unrelated but I observed that for skill training to train "fast", specifically skills that needed a target for it to increase (like Tactics, Firearms etc.) , needs the target to be at like 2x your own level or slightly higher.

I tested this some time ago by comparing skill increase in skill grinding inside low level dungeons vs. high level dungeons. High level dungeons train skill noticeably faster than grinding at low level dungeons even at 400% potential which took some time for it to even raise by 0.001% per skill application.

Could someone please verify this? I'm not satisfied at my "2x my own level" guessing. I'd like to train my skills efficiently at the lowest dungeon level possible.

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>>13450563
Specifically, that code snippet is:

if ( skillID >= 100 ) {
if ( rnd(LER + 50) > rnd(1000) ) {
if ( EffectiveXPGained != 0 ) {
EffectiveXPGained = EffectiveXPGained * limit(sqrt(LER) + 20, 20, 50) / 10
}
}
}

I posted the complete de-obfuscated skillexp function to the wiki a few days ago: http://pastebin.com/TRhmSjFi

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>>13450521
Ya sounds like you. How much PV/health does she have? if she isn't being one shot then I just need to reach that point and out speed them, which will be easy with the speed spell.

Which god would you say is the easiest?

[Anonymous No.]

I remember someone last thread said that gardening more or less caps out at 60 and you don't need to bother with rain when planting herbs and stuff?

Also, how does fertilizer tie into gardening? I've been tossing away whatever spare crap foods I could into fertilizer.

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>>13450127
I'm currently levelling Summon Spirit so that I can game the Perform quests. ~230 levels to go.

>>13450333
magic storm 557
buffs ~350

I actually killed the inner gods at much lower stats. the main thing is speed, good resistance, and good PV. a high level Slow also helps.

>astral light pens
I sandbagged a few instead. because of the god recruiting penalty, they're not that great as pets.

Lulwy is probably easiest with high PV, since she wastes a lot of time/limit breaks summoning crappy Rudras. Jure is the hardest (if you try this at low levels) because on low health she'll healspam. In general limit breaks are bad news. Yacatect's ability boosts her stats to insane levels. Kumiromi's will make you insane for a VERY long time. Opartos's is basically instant death at melee range.

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>>13451518
364PV, 24706 HP.

With the strat I use:

Ehekatl = Kumiromi < Jure < Mani < Yacatect < Itzpalt < Lulwy < Opatos

Ehekatl and Kumiromi are simply pushovers. Jure is similar but with insane healing; it's just an endurance fight. She runs out of mana eventually. Mani has more damage output but is content to stay in melee, so he's fairly simple. Ehekatl runs around and uses that multi-hit gauge move a lot. It sucks. But she doesn't do much damage. Itzpalt runs around and uses spells. With good resistances, he's not too bad to deal with. Don't fight him in the rain. Lulwy runs around, shoots with her bow, and uses eye of insanity. Occasionally speed boosts herself. As long as you can keep up with her, still not bad. Opatos just fights in melee. Does higher damage than the other gods, and can occasionally get the absolute piercing attack.

Note that because my pet is fighting I get to dodge a lot of stuff that might make it harder to do yourself. Mani can silence, for example, and the insanity from Lulwy I would imagine would make her more difficult to fight yourself (particularly for a caster).

Pet hits for ~10k normal hits with another 10k attribute damage. Has fairly good absolute piercing chance as well as double attack. She also has the saber tonfa, so gets the proximity assist proc or whatever it is sometimes.

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>>13451677
While I love rehashing this every thread, it does eventually get tiring. All the technical details are here: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Gardening#Technical_Details

As for fertilizer, as far as I can tell from the source it only affects vegetable/fruit seeds and adds +5 to their Plus Value. I haven't added that to the wiki since I haven't confirmed it in game though. But fertilizer can be used to instantly grow anything from the middle growth step, so they still increase your overall yield.

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>>13451677
>I've been tossing away whatever spare crap foods I could into fertilizer.
Just steal 5 fruit trees from the wilderness or harvest/hunting quests and bash them over your composters.

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>>13452202
Stop right there criminal scum. You think you can just go out into the wilderness and steal a defenseless tree?! (-2 Karma) What a monster!

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>>13452539
>-2 Karma
Who gives a shit.

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>>13452539
I have stolen 13 plus one barbecue sets from various parties, I have stolen the piano from the bar of Vernis and played it next to Loyter, I have stolen the Bloody throne under the bleeding Queen of Palmia's sweet milf ass. You really think some green peace activists will stop me?

You guards are too easy to please. With the purse of some tourists I might add.

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>>13452657
Guards! This monster is stealing a poor defenseless tree! I saw him with my 10 eyes! Doushio..if the guards don't get here maybe I'll have to take matters into my own jaws.

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I wonder what is penalty for leaving game in improper way in hard mode?

[Anonymous No.]

Are 7 league boots really worth the wish?

I am running out of ideas (already have happy bed and max miromi for my level).

I am just defaulting to astral pens.

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>>13452799
I got them when I started so I could easily run Before it's too late quests.

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>>13452799
If you have an alternative then I guess its not that good anymore.

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>>13452824
I am using the Dal-i-thion so I guess it would be a trade off between faster travel (##) vs (#####+)

Is faster travel really worth prioritizing? It would be a shame to lose the Travel skill mod (##) and some other stats.

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>>13452799
Personally i stopped using them.
I found a godly pair of shoes with lot of goodies on it, but that wasn't the main reason : i could almost go from one end of the map to the other without my shopkeepers resetting their inventories.
It was getting old...

If you find one, keep an hold of it though. Who knows, maybe you'll have an use for it some day.

[Anonymous No.]

So my first character has become severely corrupted and had been reduced to 1cha at level 22. I made a gene for shits and giggles, but I wonder what to do, if I make a completely fresh character, what should I be doing absolutely first?

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>>13453550
Probably focus on some way to make gold such as performing, farming/cooking/selling food, dungeon diving, cargo selling, etc. Grab a god to worship asap and start gathering up stuff that earns favor for them. Once you have gold you can start investing in magic vendors that will sell you potions of potentials to solve your stat potential problems. Along the way start constructing a set of gear that provides you resists to various elemental damage and other bad things. You can do this by just scouring dungeons and/or going through the main quest.

That should tide you over for awhile while starting out. For future reference, you can get potions of cure corruption from winning 5 or more games in a row at the blackjack tables at any casino.

[Anonymous No.]

Alright I have some blessed potential potions and am ready to start grinding, what is the easiest way to grind the following:

Magic Device (potions and spamming rods?)
Alchemy (save all pots, ID, quaff everything?)
Carpentry (focus 100% on cargo?)
Tailoring (shoes for a chance at glass/raw?)
Pickpocketing: Trees and rest/regen spam?
Faith (opatos ores?)
Casting (max potentials, spam everything over 200% prof?)
Performer (I have no idea)
Traveling/Swimming (just play?)

Are melee skills worth it for levels/skill ups if high potential?

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>>13450635
Oh my. No wonder it's happening more and more often, i broke the 250 learning barrier some times ago.
Very nice.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone have suggestions for things to look up in the source? I think I've done most of the things I'm really interested in. Toss what you'd like to me and I'll see what I can find out.

About to go to work though, so don't expect any of it to be done today.

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>>13453876
this is all in the pastebin

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>>13451745
>>13451745
Well I can easily beat her PV, not to mention my silly high fairy DV. The health is another matter though. I'm only up to 10k at level 200.

Think I can take Ehekatl? I want to astral light the tail from her inner god. I can easily out speed her, and then some. Liching maybe?

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>>13453876
Train pickpoket to at least lvl 10 or 15 if you don't have a pair of light gloves. (I'd probably want higher than that but it's possible to do it) You can steal junk in the arena early on, There's no one there to catch you.
Wait for or force with the statue of Lulwy heavy rain or snow.
Ask an innkeeper to let you in the shelter.
Steal the skillbook if it's a skill you want to train, and go outside.
Repeat until you have the book you want.

You can steal a book for any skill except for weapon types.

To train a skill, again force heavy rain or snow to fall.
Go in town, dungeons or just the wilds.
Read the skill book until you get hungry, sleepy or just bored with it.
Don't read them home or in a shelter. Doing so will advance time incredibly fast.

[Anonymous No.]

tfw you will never be violently raped by Mani

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>>13454189
Ehekatl you probably could. She does use some dart spell (I think it's just magic dart), so as long as you resistances are fine you should be okay.

Don't you have to be 1/2 the level of the thing you're penning though?

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>>13454022
how about the Dominate spell? I would like to know what level it'll need to be to catch lvl 6666 spirits.

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>>13454868
>Don't you have to be 1/2 the level of the thing you're penning though?

Oh shit, I forgot about that. Well I guess I'll be 600 eventually. Awakened dungeons will get me there faster than you'd think. By that point I might not need it though but whatever.

>>13454022
If gardening affects unkown/magic/gem/artifact seed yields. I know luck affects artifact as I get way more godlys on lucky days.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't remember how to play this game

taking a long break sucks

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>>13455127
You don't really like to identify or uncurse your food do you? Or was it just potions while being bloated? Can a golem even get anorexia?

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Does anyone know if Statues of Opatos can be little sister quested or if they share the same timer? I like to reset my dungeons but the timer is frequently on CD.
>>13454375
Thank you.

>>13454106
woops, glanced at it again and seen the skill synopsis but the training information was quite a ways down in a different category, my bad.

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>>13457026
Isn't the only way to uncurse food using holy water?

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What is the heaviest thing in the game? That is, how much do I have to lift, in order to be able to lift it.

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>>13457605
Moongates I think. Shit I don't know.

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>>13457605
Moongates are 5000s.

[Anonymous No.]

When one eats raw clothing that has a direct bonus to a stat (in this case perception) I get the message:

Perception Develops

Does this mean I have gained stat EXP in perception or that I have increased its potential?

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>>13457026
Not him but my character has drank blessed potions of potentials that have caused him to throw up and sometimes lose weight. Not much you can do about it considering it autosaves after you drink it. I had thought that it might be because I drinking too much at one time but I've also had my character throw up after pacing my drinks. Character isn't anorexic either but I always worry that one of these days he'll trigger it.

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>>13457770
Stat exp in perception. Earn enough exp in a stat and it increases.

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Is one rare herb every 20-30 herbs a normal ratio ?

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>>13457803
Speaking of which, is puking the only way to lose weight?

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>>13457026
There's really no point. Cursed aren't more common than blessed, are still nutritious, and eating cursed food lets you eat more.

In 372 hours of not giving a shit, I remember only contracting anorexia twice. You can just cure it instantly by dying in a hunting quest at the cost of 1 WIL and/or CHR (doesn't even count as a death on inferno).

>>13457395
That's a fucking waste of holy water. I would sooner curse a stack of api nuts for handy on-demand vomiting than bless anything.

>>13457803
You throw up if you are Satisfied or higher and eat or drink something, with proportional probability. You will never throw up if you are below satisfied.

>>13458005
Something around 1/6 is the norm, according to the japanese wiki.

>>13458083
Yes.

>>13457190
They share the timer.

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>>13458083
Puking has a chance to cause your character to lose weight. The wiki also mentions that if you drink your own vomit or someone else's there's a chance you'll lose weight.

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>>13458159
I just tried the second statue of opatos and they DO NOT share a timer. They are all independent.

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>>13455083
>>13455108

Alright, I'll look into those two today and see if I can find anything.

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Do visitors (guild trainers, adventurers) take up a servant spot (e.g the 7 max for the Small Castle)?

I don't know if I should max out my castle with magic vendors or keep one spot open for guests?

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>>13458164
>if you drink your own vomit or someone else's there's a chance you'll lose weight
This never gets old.

>>13459357
They don't take a servant spot. I'd leave a spot open either way for training Investing, but people will disagree with me.

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Is there any point in potions of descent?

If you lose a level do you lose the HP gain associated or can you get the bonus skill points again or something?

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>>13457395
I usually Bless a stack of scrolls of uncurse and read it before I cook all my harvested veggies. It uncurses stuff in my inventory as well.

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>>13460230
how do you cook everything before it rots?

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>>13459838
The only merit from it is that it will boost the breeding power of your ranched pet. It was useful in vanilla and didn't get removed.

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>>13460278
wait... the higher level you are the slower your pets breed?

or do you throw it at the pet to delevel it?

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>>13460237
I cook the lecchos first, then the watermelons and musk melons. Then I just start from top to bottom.
I don't use shift+r to rest. I use the regeneration buff and hold down 5 to pass the turns or sometimes train buffs and heals. This would be even easier if I would worship Kumi, but I like Ehekatl's randomized spell costs and the luck she gives.
My stamina is 155, my regen lasts for 146 turns atm which is enough to replenish about 100 stamina.

I usually just cook on spot with a barbecue set. Stuff would really rot if I would go to another farm to harvest those too.

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>>13460291
The lower level the pet, the higher it's breeding power. I give them the potions. They will drink anything. Even acid. Just for you...

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>>13446952
Is there a translation page for reading your error messages?

HspError 7 WinError 0 Ver 2620 Mode 3
efId 0 efP 0 Area 15/1
ci 0#538976266 ti 0#538976266 cc 0#578056809 tc 0#578056809 rc 0#578056809
3. ctrlFile:game1:array ct:0
2. ctrlFile:game1:evs ct:0
1. ctrlFile:game1:end ct:0
0. ctrlFilegdatan/end ct:0


Sorry.

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>>13459838
You can bless the potion and drink it to gain a level.
Potions of descent were more useful in the days of exp-draining equipment.

>>13460343
I use my pets as stamina batteries with the drain blood ability, so I don't have to rest much or when being fast is important. Bells are like infinite stamina batteries. I'm not sure about the new bleeding effect, though.

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What mobs do you guys have on your ranches?

[Anonymous No.]

Is the OST of Elona original or were these taken from other sources like games?

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>>13460841
Seconding this. I'd also like to know if the supposed bonus for chickens, sheep, cattle was real or superstition.

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>>13460841
putits for putitoros, mandrakes for mandrake salads, trolls for steamed meat bun.

>>13460990
Chickens do produce more eggs.
I did a little test. Before Zeome I made a chicken ranch, emptied my putit ranch. After the time skip putits produced circa 30 eggs, chicken had 50-ish.

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>>13461006
does it matter for eggs?

picnic baskets seem like very little gain for a lot of inventory management.

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>>13461011
Aren't they decent ghetto potential you can get with a little skill, one or two randarts and two armored rings though?

I heard it doesn't care if it's rotting or not liek the pot for fusion so you can just make piles in a house.

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>>13461011
I only have 1 pet and his potential is almost always at superb. I have alchemy and I make more potions of potential than I need.
I already destroyed that chicken farm because the putits are more than enough for me if I want eggs.

I'd imagine someone with like 6-10 pets would want all the eggs he can get.

[Anonymous No.]

So, are you ready?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13461274
For?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13461287
Hot monkey dick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13454106
Can whoever runs the pastebin, http://pastebin.com/T2RCwdh8, edit
> Fishing - If you have a cyber house, you can set down a water tile and fish in the comfort of your home. Otherwise, just fish in Vernis. 's'earching pools in dungeons will also train it

Any house even starter caves can place a water tile. Using a house board or register you can add water to ranches, farms, sotrage houses and so on. Not only that but you can have a pet carry a shelter + house board. Whenever you want, place it, go in, use the house board to place water and fish anywhere you can plant a shelter

[Anonymous No.]

>>13461296
No turning back now!

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>>13461361
Come on!
Ohh
*rumble*
*gasp*
Yes!
Anon becomes insane!
Anon gets sick
Holy....! Here, take this, it's all I have
Your relation with anon the shitposter becomes <*Love*>
Something is put on the ground. You pick up 1 gold piece

In all seriousness is there a better income than prostitution despite the tedium? You can make hundreds of thousands a day with no reliance on easy dungeons or crop cycles. Just good ol' fashioned dicking heavily invested magic shops in your house by palmia so you can get about 120ish booze every couple days that only keeps rising with every gain in charisma and every additional store rank.

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>>13461390
Yeah, its called party time quests.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13461402
But those need jobs posted. Whoring is forever with many more goes a day that only increases as you worship kumi or have a good stock of regen

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>>13461390
It's a very good early game way to get money.
Later on you can have your own alchemy set for beer and healing potions to bless, and the secret treasure of the wicked makes it cost no karma.
But by the time you get 200k-ish from dungeon bosses you forget about it because it only makes money and you will eventually have more dosh than what you can spend on useful stuff.

But you will eventually do party time quests for the tickets, you will have farms for the herbs, you will fish, have anatomy and cook because everyone needs to eat. You will eventually dive in dungeons because there are neat stuff inside and you will want AP.
All of these and a lot more make money, but not only money.

[Anonymous No.]

I bumped into some random traveling merchant.
This gun costs 79908 coins. I'm gonna pop some tags!

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>>13461390
I wish Prostitution was a skill.

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>>13461601
>have the choice between staying a pre maiden or grinding a skill
I don't.
I know what would be my choice.

[Anonymous No.]

Which of your characters was the strongest, and what was their greatest achievement?

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>>13455083
Assuming that I'm reading this correctly:

Holding a monster heart increases the effective power of dominate by 1.5x

Then, if a random number between 0 and (spellpower/15 + 5)-1 is < the enemy's level, the spell fails.

Spellpower is SpellLevel * 10 + 50, capable of being boosted up to 3x by gear + the magic equip spact. This means that without the monster heart, the maximum level enemy that could be dominated is 4014 (60150/15 + 5)-1 at level 2000. With the monster heart, the maximum should be 6019 at level 2000. In other words, if I'm reading this correctly, you won't be able to capture a level 6666 spirit regardless of what you do.

Also note that the success rate would be (MaxLevel - EnemyLevel + 1) in (MaxLevel). Capturing a level 6019 enemy would have a 1 in 6019 chance of success.

>>13455108
Strange seeds have a 1% chance for a potion of cure corruption and a 2% chance for an artifact (the artifact will override the potion). Otherwise they just generate an item from a random category. Only vegetable and fruit seeds seem to benefit directly from Gardening, gaining a plus value of:

Normal Plus Value + (a random number between (Gardening + 1)/12 + 2 , with a cap of 10).
Also an additional 5 to Plus Value if it had fertilizer used on it.

HOWEVER, there is a variable set that is based on (Gardening+1)/2 + 15, which is used in the item creation function. It also sets another value to a static value of 2. That value I know is the quality level (good, great, etc.) of equipment, though I don't know how it affects other items. The artifact seeds overwrite that value to 4 (miracle), as you'd expect.

Unfortunately, the item creation function is simply far too long for me to fully go through. If I had to guess based on the information I had, I would say that at the very least it has an effect on equipment from artifact seeds (in regards to material quality and perhaps enchantments).

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>>13459357
Nope. They're visitors, much like gods. While the gods stick around, they don't count towards your limit.

I've got four magic vendors, a maid, bartender and wizard and still have kumi chilling out in the shrine I made for him, and still get monthly visitors.

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>>13461322
Alrighty, thank you. I'll update that.

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>>13462660
Much appreciated. I will continue to neglect my gardening potential in favor of other things.

[Anonymous No.]

Skill points are fun

[Anonymous No.]

Are there pages dedicated to AARs about Elona? I'm too stupid to play the game myself but I love reading about how others play, especially so if the story is told in character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13463217
AARs?

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>>13463317
After Action Reports. Shit like this https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/the-setting-sun-gotterdammerung-japan-1944.338558/ .Paradox's map painting simulators are too boring to actually play for me but I really dig those things.

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>>13461390
how does one give booze to people anyway?

I try to shift-I and give but they refuse.

I throw it at them and they get mad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13463810
Is it cursed? I just (G)ive it

[Anonymous No.]

>>13462003
My second character is my strongest.

Started playing in Elona 1.16 and played as a Juere Pianist. Got to lv 63 but never did end up beating Zeome. Made a lot of mistakes with my first character but learned a lot as well.

Second character, my current, is an Eulderna Gunner and by the time he was lv 50 he had twice the stats of my first character at lv 63. My current character just recently fell Siva and Yerleswood. Haven't beaten South Tyris yet.

I've been busy working on my pet and my character's speed. I should be achieving my goal of 2000 very soon and after I blow my pet's AP on speed boosts I'll be working on getting her speed up as well with blessed Hermes potions. Speak of pets, my first character only got his Golden Knight up to lv 33. My current character's pet, the little girl turned Valkyrie, is lv 158 and can now tank and kill some of the bosses in the dungeons I go to.

I find it amusing that this time around it's my character that needs to catch up to her level instead of the other way around. I'm not actively leveling my pet at the moment though since I'm trying to focus on building out her stats to where they should be.

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>>13463810
It's either unidentified or this >>13464302

>>13462003
I started with vanilla 1.16 just like "I have 18 herb farms" Kai above this thread.
It was a Juere thief. It eventually crumbled away under the weight of my noobyness.
My second was a Fairy Pianist, still in Valina who got quite far by vanilla standards.
After a long break I made a Fairy wizard in Elo+ 1.34 or something. He commanded a small army, I beat Zeome and wanted to try something else.
Then I made a Golem gunner with a sniper riffle who turned thief for the stealth+crit bonus. He now had less pets. It's in the middle of diving lower and lower in the void. But I wanted to try a solo kokou wizzhard, so I started yet another one, She still has 1 pet. I try not to rely on it much but you need a pet for breakfast, ensemble and various stuff. The pet is a fire@dragon for the fire resist I planned to Meteor-cheese it as much as I can. I'm around lvl 60, the dragon overtook me by 5 levels already and I can do lvl max 150 dungeons. Still grinding medals for the void.

My problem is that I can grind for weeks and completely ignore the main quest, then one moment It clicks, and I rush the storyline which is a pushover because I'm over leveled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13464487
Why are little girls such a popular pet?

Do you just use 1 pet?

How did you go about training speed?

Rush for AP bonuses then eat shoes/hermes/speed uppers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13464609
>above this thread.
I mean post... I should read what I type more...

[Anonymous No.]

>>13464610
For me it's just sentimental value. I chose to raise her first because she's the first one I got and seemed extremely relieved to have found me when I stepped into Vernis. A pretty loyal pet considering she could of just left my character.

That aside, one nice perk about the little girl which can turn into a Valkyrie is the cheer ability which grants everyone in the party the buffs of Hero, Speed, and Contingency. Second, since she's a starter pet/weak pet she gains AP very quickly compared to other pets which are stronger when you first get them.

As for pets, I have all the god pets and I do intend to train another pet after I'm assured my pet little girl can take care of herself. I'm only training one pet at the moment and that's working out pretty well for me so far.

For speed, my character really wasn't that efficient, he didn't rush AP but instead went straight to consuming blessed Hermes Potions, raw shoes, and random speed uppers he found. For my pet I'm not going to make the same mistake and will use AP to raise her speed first then dump my collection of blessed Hermes potions, raw shoes, and speed uppers on her.

[Anonymous No.]

does weight, age, or height affect anything?

what the hell is the "secret" categories under profile?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13464855
Age, weight, and height don't really affect anything and is there for just cosmetic purposes. The categories where things are listed as secret are only accessed if you create a character under the Japanese settings. Under the Japanese settings you can roll dice to see what your character's background info is. I'm not sure if these backgrounds have any tangible benefit in game or if it's purely cosmetic. Last I heard it was just cosmetic but things could of changed.

[Anonymous No.]

Welp, I finally got to the point where I can level up just by filling a room with summoned spirits then casting meteor. Grinding summon spirits was a good call.
Still can't successfully cast level 25 wish though. How much damn casting does this spell need? I just want Kokou now that I've given up on pets.

>>13464487
God damn, how did you get your speed so high? I'm finally cashing in all my wizard harvests for medals for hermes blood, but I'm still not even at 1000 base. Speed spell gives me a good 600 though.
Also, you should give some awakened dungeons a go. You'll be able to easily down about level 250-350 ones with your stats, you'll level quickly and be able to craft some great gear with the cores.

>>13463349
Oh I see. I'll type out mine for you. It's the entire motivation behind this character, and my final goal with this game. Hopefully after I get closure I can put it down for good.

[Anonymous No.]

Can anyone confirm if rotten or cursed food effects picnic basket success/quality?

or does ONLY quality effect food?

What about cooked vs non cooked?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13463349
>>13465562
Ok so, it was my first character, I believe a Juere gunner with a few pets. He was my first character so of course he's weak as shit and so are his pets.
So I'm about 300 hours into the game, not nearly as strong as I should be by this point but whatever, learning experience. So I'm going through the rounds of worshiping each god then moving on to get all their rewards. I tackle Jure, Kumi, etc. I'm on to my second last or so god, Mani, and I just got his second reward "Mani's gemstone of heavenly gem" or whatever. That's what it's called when it's unidentified anyway.
Now I had just gotten nice and set up. Just got my second farm (practically unused since shit character), museum hit rank 1, small castle, and most importantly, my shop had just hit rank 1 as well. I loved that shop, it was good to me. I didn't know how to reliably get kitty banks so not looting the shop's coffers was my best way to store money since I was so weak and kept dying.
Around this time I had also started feeling guilty for using the wiki so much. I know how silly that is now but there you go. So I decide I'll try to figure out what Mani's gem does myself. "Well Jure's heals you, god of healing. Kumi's helps you farm, god of harvest. Mani is the god of machines. Maybe it sets up a trap? Oh or summons a robot pet!"

Continued.

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>>13465562
Isn't summon spirits a dream only spell? Or can you reserve it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13465653
>>13463349
>>13465562
Now, I'm in the middle of my shop dropping off all the items from one of my few successful dungeon runs. I decide now is as good a time as any to try out the gem, I mean why not? What could happen?

Mani's gem, when identified, is called "Mani's gem stone of satellite shooter". It calls down a satellite laser strike on the map you are currently in. It damages enemies, you, your pets, neutral npcs, the terrain.

I was the only survivor, and barely at that. I still don't know how I survived considering how weak I was. My pets, my shop keeper, all my customers, everyone was dead. I stood in the ruins of my livelyhood, broken and beaten. Barely alive. This was my reward for worshipping Mani. I swore revenge that day. With my hands thrown to the heavens, screaming Mani's name. I swore I'd have revenge.

Now the grandchild of that character might finally do it. I might even be able to take Mani as I am now. That isn't enough anymore though. I want to kill Deus ex Manina, Mani's inner god.

There's your story anon.

On that note, does anyone know if I could attach an inner god to a sandbag?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13465685
>not wanting to shoot juden removing lasers

[Anonymous No.]

>>13465685
how did you get all the god rewards when you are limited to 2 god pets?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13465666
Dream/wonder only.

Get as many magic vendors as you can find, probably 2. Then get 2 or more goods (not general goods, just goods) vendors as well. Buy every scroll of wonder you see, bless them after you have a good stack. Bam, you have 4000 stocks of summon spirits. I have I think 11k stocks of resurrection because of this.

The only reason I need books anymore is because I drain my mana bar with magic storm every time I'm about to sleep. That drains the stocks a bit faster than this gets them. You'll want to overload your cart till you're at 10 speed then just reset your shops over and over to quicken this. This has the major benefit of getting you crazy amounts of herbed food if you have a few statues of kumi. It also gets you a good stock of flying scrolls, potential potions, evolution, etc etc.

>>13465696
I'm going to kill your god.

>>13465706
You can still get the rewards. I never liked using god pets anyway, so other than the cute fairy I just abandoned them all. I still do this. They just don't seem personal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13465706
you can have more than 2 god pets. it's based on your faith stat

[Anonymous No.]

>>13465562
Most of my speed has come from blessed Hermes potions. I farm dungeon bosses for medals which I exchange for them. I've been sticking to the dungeon danger level 2x level or lower rule and most dungeons I can clear really fast. I'm not above taking those rare dungeons that are only lv 50 or so that oddly show up as a lower level dungeon and its dungeon bosses still has an equal chance of giving me medals.

Although I haven't tried this medal making scheme myself someone did make mention that you can use the deep sea castle for time skip hijinks(Or maybe overload your cart?) So if you reset wishing wells like the one in Noyel you can then wish for treasure maps. These treasure maps can lead to treasure with medals if I recall correctly.

Anyhow, I'll probably beat South Tyris when I get my speed to 2000 and then I'll look into doing the awakened dungeons to start grinding out those levels. Thanks for the heads up on that.

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>>13465562
>Still can't successfully cast level 25 wish though. How much damn casting does this spell need?

The casting it needs scales with your spell level, anon. The formula is on the wiki.

CastRate = 90 + SpellLevel - SpellDifficulty * CastMod / (5 + Casting * 4)

CastMod for Wish should be 4 + SpellLevel. SpellDifficulty for wish is 5250.

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>>13466410
You've gotten that many? Strange that you're not higher level then. I've only bought maybe 4 hermes blood over the course of my character, and the only other thing I bought with medals is the shield tonfa. I am about ready to buy another 2 though. I do a good amount of dungeons too. Not to mention I overload my cart constantly to get scrolls of wonder, so I get a bunch of wizard's harvest.

I feel like that would be a waste of wishes by the way. Treasure maps are really easy to get once you have just a few levels in wizards harvest. I just polished off the 8 I got from half my stocks, stocks I got just today. Only got about 10 small medals from the lot of them though.

Ya no problem. You can make some amazing stuff out of those cores. I have a speed ring with
40 speed and 21 con right now, and I think I can fit more on it. Cores made me immune to every status, all on one piece of gear, and boosted my magic device and light armor by silly amounts on another. Then I have a pair of 7 leagues that give me at least strong in every resist, couple that with fairy racials and I'm golden.

Artifact fusion is amazing.

>>13466448
Oh I know it gets harder as it levels, I just figured at 255 casting I'd be able to at least have a 20% chance or something. I'll calculate how much I need with that formula though, thanks.

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>>13466478
I suspect that my leveling has been slow because when I do farm medals it's a a straight shot to the boss with me ignoring enemies and gear and just looking for stairwells and the boss. Most of my exp has been generated through usage of skills like gardening, reading spellbooks, etc. I do have Kokou btw. For most of my early game I was a solo player but have taken to training my pet. I now just consider Kokou to read as "As your allies fall summon the inner sonic within you."

What I find strange though is that my character is not aging...A couple of pumpkins in the past have thrown what I guess were blessed slow potions at me which have caused my character to become 12. I think it's been a couple of years now and my character is still 12 years old. Could it be that they knocked me so back in years that it may take a couple of years for me start aging again? It gets kinda odd having to hold my little girl's hand because she's technically the adult. It gets even stranger with the squeeze command and going to bed at night lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13466768
Despite being turned into a child she still loves you. Such loyalty!

[Anonymous No.]

How much does a stone weight in kilos?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13467641
Nobody knows.

[Anonymous No.]

How to use stuff from ElonaUploader? aqlso how can i use the sprites sheet?

[Anonymous No.]

Is there some way to brighten or change the color of text?
*cha* is a darkish blue and "Random Ass listens to your music" is a slightly lighter blue
I've seen people that have a very bright teal color for their "Random Ass listens to your music" and even for their stat increase phrase

Also how the hell do I set up the shift cores to actually be able to use them? I might as well try to make my terminator bell even more broken.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13467819
>stuff on eloup
Manually add it to the sprite sheet.
>spritesheet
rename it to character.bmp and overwrite the one in your graphic folder.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13468031
Maybe it has something to do with your computer's color scheme? I don't know. Do you play on fullscreen?

[Anonymous No.]

So now that leveling doesn't have any negative impact. Do you try to keep your level reasonable for your stats or just get your level as high as you can for hp/mp/skill points?

[Anonymous No.]

How to use sprite like this without clipping?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13462003

My gene baby. Currently, beating Amurdad and Sophia is the only greatest achievement I can think of. I don't use any pets

[Anonymous No.]

>>13468429
guys?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13468429
it's part of a seperate mod from elo+

[Anonymous No.]

>>13469224
What mod?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13469495
http://www.geocities.jp/kurororo4/looseleaf/

[Anonymous No.]

>>13469522
Huh?

[Anonymous No.]

Good lord. I just started, where in the hell am I supposed to find those NPCs for the Birthday quests? Talk to everyone in town?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13470297
Talk to a guard to ask where they are. That or you can just have the item in your inventory before you start it then immediately finish when you are teleported to the npc, like most people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13470304

Thanks, Anon.

[Anonymous No.]

How to level up

[Anonymous No.]

>>13470413

[Anonymous No.]

>>13470413
>>13470415

[Anonymous No.]

>>13470413
>>13470415
>>13470420
Dang...

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know if I want to go with Lulwy or Itzpalt. The speed boost from Lulwy is so tiny, but her special action is great, then again so is Itzpalt's.

>>13470443
Makes me feel dirty though. Doing that for a few levels has made me only get 5 skill points a level again, as opposed to my old 9. Stats not keeping up with your level feels gross.

[Anonymous No.]

So is there a certain amount of items you can carry before you start dropping them on death? Wasn't there an option to keep an item from dropping on death? Please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13470800
No and no. There's an option to stop yourself from accidentally dropping things, which is the * button on the e'x'amine menu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13471173
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13461481
that's one strange dagger dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>13468429
Guys, how to hide the feets? ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>13471201
edit the feet out.
Use a dresser.
Not entirely sure what the hell you're on about honestly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13471713
They're always clipping like this

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any way to bind spells to more than just the number keys? I don't have enough numbers for all the buffs I want to use, as well as teleport, attacks, a heal, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the preferred way to get grater evasion/eye of mind/detection for pets?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13473348
bats/predators/eyes
If you can read the wiki there is a list on what monsters the skill is more common.

To catch them you might need monsterballs, the dominate spell or if you feel like it you can waste some small medals for a dominate rod. I'd advise against spending medals on that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13472201
You can hold ctrl to get an additional row of quickslots from 10-19.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13473459
Do you guys just get like 12 ranches and plop one of each on each then dojo the spawn and breeder periodically? I have 3 pets that need it and I think there's gonna be two more later if this is the char I think it was.

[Anonymous No.]

newbie question. Is there any way to change the gender of a pet? I got a male black cat, but want a female one.

If not do I have to abandon and retake the god to get the pet again, or can I just reach the necessary faith for tier 1 and pray for a second black cat?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13473818
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Forbidden_meat

[Anonymous No.]

>>13473832
i'm only level 10 and have basically no idea what i'm doing. I don't think i'd be able to get my hands on that easily.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13473842
you could try to work around the problem by setting your pet's sprite to the female black cat's sprite; try 'i'nteracting with it

[Anonymous No.]

>>13473876
well part of the reason why i wanted a female was for the later evolution. It was smaller and seemed like it had better stat bonuses.

Would changing the sprite affect that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13473842
>>13473885

If you want to swap the gender for the evolution specifically, god hearts would still be a looong way off, so you should be able to get a forbidden meat before then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13473886
Or simply change god then go back to ehekatl.
1500 favour is trivial to get.

Save before 'p'raying though, if you get a male again, reload.
Or if you're that hardcore about savescumming, just do the maneuvre again, it's really quick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13471189
ikr It IS! still it's going to be decorating my wall for eternity... doubt I will ever have use for it unless I make a gene.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13473587
nah. too much hassle to manage that many ranches, and I prefer to have little sisters and stray cats for my free pet slots.
What I do is just simply go outside the wild and look for a bat, a crab or a dog then dominate it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13473895
so you can only get 1 pet per alignment with a god then?

Also why was my godsign reporting like 1840/1800 favor? From what I was seeing the max favor was determined by faith?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13473935
Yes.

You can go over the limit with the last offering, like if an offering get you 50 favour and you're at 1790/1800, you'll get to 1840/1800. It's faith*100, items included ( get yourself a "you feel pious" set ! ).

[Anonymous No.]

>>13473955
well outside of that is there anything else I should know or do?

I keep seeing mentions of 20 points into a skill being "safe" for doing things independently of quests.

I was figuring I'd do fishing, and some bottom line difficulty gardening hunting till i got to 20 and had enough to buy my own farm and house. Is this a correct train of thought?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13474012
Not sure about how others do it, but I like to go around finishing random quests/low level dungeons until I find some equipment that boosts my skills to the 'safe' point rather than grinding it up from nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13473472
Oh shit thanks anon. I can't tell you how useful that is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13474235
Ever since I got that intel I have my buffs on the second row. Believe me I can tell it's useful!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13472075
Use a dresser to turn off the extra clothing. PCC sprites will never line up with default elona clothing.

[Anonymous No.]

Aw hell, I'm getting back into this game hard. Getting the customizing bug again. Probably going to make my own ui this time around, might be fun.

[Anonymous No.]

There is probably no use for my spare business cards but I'll ask anyway.
Is there a better class than wizard for a spellcaster lich with light armor?

in b4 tourist

[Anonymous No.]

>>13474714
No way.
Wizard feat means you use your wands of mana less frequently.
Even with rank 200+ goods vendors, they're hard to find, and will break while recharging sooner or later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13474785
Just bring your carpentry or jeweler set and make rods or scrolls of mana on spot.
But yeah, I do believe it's the best choice.
If I'd rock medium armor for the skill plus change to warmage what would be the max chance of a succesful cast? 97%? I must confess I never tested that in debug mode.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13474806
Yes, 97%.
I can't handle anything less than 100% cast rate personally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13474818
It's fine even as 92% for my golem gunner but for my weaksauce whizzard that 3% would probably kick in when I try to teleport away from harm. I do lich a lot and it would eventually happen. 100% or nothing!

[Anonymous No.]

How do I pass the time faster remaining for a harvest time quest when I have 573 Speed? Somehow harvesting all the things, or just spamming shift+r feels long. Is there another way to reduce my speed than the Fetter of Earth?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13474887
Harvest a monstrous melon over and over again do the trick for me.
Though it's still long enough to make me never do harvest quests again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13474915
I feel like dominating a snail and ride it when I "need" to slow down...
Problem is, it won't reduce my speed, it will only replace it with the pet's speed...

[Anonymous No.]

>>13474938
Works for now.
Now to find some cursed randarts to reduce it's 25 speed even further!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13474785
GOOD NEWS EVERYONE! Rods almost don't break anymore if you have high enough Control Magic skill.
Also, it's very easy to train Magic Device now, get a few rods of alchemy and 20-30 random rods, use all charges, then just continue recharging rods of alchemy and transmutating empty rods into full ones. I've got ~100 levels in Magic Device and lost only one rod of alchemy.

By the way, rods are really powerful. Spell enhancing gear works with the rods as well, and it's much faster to get high Magic Device than to train the spells to the same level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13475096
That's true. Problem is, there are only a few spells rods can do. Never the less I do use them. If only I wouldn't keep using up my magic fragments for pope robes I'd use rods of magic missile instead of the spell.

[Anonymous No.]

easiest way to train Magic Device is actually the snow in Noyel.

setup: wall off a section of Noyel so that nobody bothers you, sandbag a monster, hotkey drink snow and preaching. get snow, drain blood to get SP back, repeat until you have a big stack of 1000. then drink it until you're full, preach until you're hungry, rinse repeat.

this trains alchemy and faith also, as a bonus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13475331
What's the guarantee preaching won't crash the game?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13475370
Not being interrupted by damage or thrown snow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13475472
Well. it's still a while before I will swim in scrolls of growth. When I get there I will enjoy these various training methods.
Although I would just probably cast return to the little sister mansion.

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>>13474836
could always use rods for teleporting!

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>>13474887
This is not quite the same, but did you increase the auto turn speed to max in options? That helps a lot when you need to spend a lot of time doing nothing with rest

[Anonymous No.]

This is sorta fun. Got a lot to tidy up and work on, but thoughts on the general theme? Thinking about lightening up the wood grain a bit for readability, gotta make the frame look woodier too.

Still gotta edit all the other images as well.

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>>13475736
and disreguard the piecemeal pccs, I'm still in progress on those on the side

[Anonymous No.]

did they fix/translate the cutscenes yet?

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>>13476099
No.

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>>13474378
So do you just use every buff then? Before I was only using feather, holy shield, divine wisdom, speed, and contingency. In the middle of training up the other ones now.

>>13474785
Carpentry makes them easy to get. Same with change creature, and god damn do I love change creature.

>>13475096
I've been pumping the skill points from AP, and silly fast leveling with >>13470420
into it off and on. Rods of mana restore a good 7kish mana for me now. It's nice.

If I make another character eventually, I might go full magic device artificer.

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>>13476593
>So do you just use every buff then
I use 10. I'm a buff whore. If I could I would run around full buffed all the time!
hero is good for me when I need a boost in str or dex like stealing heavy trees or just lock picking. Concentration is for more will, Divine wisdom is to read harder books and because learning is just plain awesome. Holy shield, feather, speed should be self explanatory. I use Regeneration for party time quests and cooking all my harvested food, It's half as good as Kumi's stamina bonus. I rarely use Attribution shield, holy veil and contingency but I still train them regularly, you never know when you need them.
Are there any more buffs than that?

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>>13475736
I'm gonna play around with it and see if I notice any glaring issues, then finish it up and release it probably. Still tweaking colors, but otherwise I think I've got what I wanted.

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>>13478063
Good enough for now. If anyone sees anything that needs to be fixed, give me a heads up.

puu sh / hLln4

[Anonymous No.]

So I've mostly been putting my skill points into magic device for mana, and casting for wish. I realized that I could probably put them into swimming for speed though. Anyone have any luck with this? Each point in swimming is almost as good as a point in speed anyway, but then the main advantage is 300+ skill points of speed experience a go.

On a related note, I'm actually out of speed uppers so my potential is suffering. Where is a reliable place to get them? I've had to luck in dungeons lately.

[Anonymous No.]

If I wanted a tanky brawler type character who buffs their pets would it be better to start as a priest for the buffs or as a warrior for self-sufficiency in the early levels?

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>>13478650
Only times I've seen them are on dungeon floors and enemies sometimes dropping them sadly. Think we're at the mercy of RNG for them.

>>13478737
Look into the Golem race if you want to be a tank. They have a lot of health starting out and nice bonuses to strength and constitution. Warrior or Priest is fine but if you do plan on playing around a lot with pets check out the Priest. Priests have the class ability that lets them heal for more. Might be useful in keeping your pets alive.

Sadly, spell buffs only buff yourself but spell casting should be picked up because you can still heal your pets and remove hexes with spells. There are abilities that will buff your pets and allow them to perform special actions but they drain the stamina bar and are usually tied to a certain stat or stats.

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>>13479365
Does Priest's bonus apply to thrown potions or rods of healing?

[Anonymous No.]

If I drop all my items in a single tile in the shop, can it still sell more than one item?

>>13479747
I think it does.

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>>13476230

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>>13480550
>>13476230
from what I understand, even if you change the bit to enable cutscenes in english version, it causes a complete crash? Someone on the wiki was working on it for a while.

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>>13480550
>>13480905
I do hope they fix this soon, it takes so much away from the game not to be able to see these

[Anonymous No.]

>>13480905
The image I posted is a separate application that one of the wiki users made that displays the cutscenes in English.

But yes, afaik there's no way to officially play it in-game.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone here use more than say, two or three pets? I've, for the first time, managed to actually raise a not-harmless ally. Actually, my black angel does more damage than me turn by turn when I don't abuse shining wave. Not as tank as me, but I haven't found gear suited for her.

I tried getting a T-Rex into a similarly dangerous state the same way as my angel, mostly because I wanted to name him Grimlock and give him a shotgun, but he tends to get himself slain a lot more, and if I needed a speed boost badly, I'd drink the several portions of speed upper I have saved in my house.

Anyways the point is is that I recognize having another set of hands to tackle dungeons with would be nice, it's just in doing so I'd stunt the growth of my first pet by not letting her loot as many corpses as before, and I'd have to bring more food with me on dungeon trips, and that would mean more downtime. So, is there anything two, four, six less powerful pets can do that one ridiculously strong pet can't?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13482275
There really isn't a point in keeping 4 or 5 pets at once, especially if yo,, yourself, have little intention of doing so.

[Anonymous No.]

So on certain pieces of equipment if I try to artifact fuse them I get this text window instead. I don't see anything about it on the wiki page. What do these options do?

Normally when something is full power I just get a sound effect and nothing happens, so this is new.

[Anonymous No.]

Hey code delving guy, are you here? The wiki doesn't say what the Otogiri multiplies your spell power by, it just gives a number to the stat, and there's nothing to really compare it to. Objet of heart gives nothing either.

Could you give me an idea of what it multiplies it by? I'm trying to figure out a way to have max spell power as well as 2 inner god items.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13482275
I'm terrible, I keep 10 with me at all times.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know the requirements for Alchemical Rain? I've got 50 alchemy but I still don't have it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13483585
My alchemy is 93 and I've had it for a long time. You'll get it soon.

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>>13483618
it might be 60 then. I'll keep plodding away at it

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>>13478063
The 2nd one looks cleaner and easier to read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13483728
you have to level the character to get the skill if youve met the requirements

[Anonymous No.]

Post spritesheets

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>>13483313
if you have 15 enchantments already on your item, on your next enchant the enchanter will ask you if you want to remove the last enchant (i.e. the last one on the item description). this is useful for getting rid of crap enchants.

reload it using the japanese version.

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>>13484121
Oh ok, and I take it there's no option to say "No just add the nefia core"? I have to remove one?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13483492
That kind of thing isn't easy to find in the code.

Just unequip everything but the item, then look at offset 392 in cdata.s1 with Elosnack. 1500 is the cap.

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>>13482275
>>13483496
11 here...

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>>13484111
k

[Anonymous No.]

Just how much does one piece of ether speed up the disease? I have plenty of cure corruption potions, but I don't want to be using them every 3 steps.

I finally have enough flying scrolls to equip Frisia's tail.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13484415
>I finally have enough flying scrolls to equip Frisia's tail.

You'll be fine. Don't worry about it.

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>>13475736
what font

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>>13485392
Meiryo Ui.

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>>13484730
So it's minor then? I know ether disease is more of a very minor annoyance at this point, but I still have a phobia of it after a few of my original characters were completely ruined because of it.

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>>13485702
If you killed Ehekatl and are swimming in flying scrolls why the hell are you worried about ether disease?

You should be fucking drowning in cure corruption potions at this point, let alone have gotten enough unique ether artifacts to know either disease doesn't do shit

Even the wiki explains how ether disease works; have you gotten this far without reading the wiki even once?

[Anonymous No.]

Okay okay, let's go over this one more time.

I can herb in any food and still get the same herbed stat gains? Besides inconsequential base stat gains, it doesn't matter if I herb in a corpse or a steak?

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>>13487368
no

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>>13487368
Consult the Food section of the Elona wiki(Type food into the search).

[Anonymous No.]

I was thinking.
Should I give this guy here variable breath? I didn't even start the South Tyris main quest, and his best resist is nether (stole that idea from here)

[Anonymous No.]

>>13486789
I never equipped the ether stuff. I have plenty of potions too. I read it plenty but it's been forever since I read the article on ether disease because it's easy to avoid at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

Are fairies good in the long run?
I've heard their innate stuff isn't that much of an advantage later on.

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>>13487992
There are a couple of people in this thread and prior ones that have a fairy character that have made it to end game or near end game. They're also pretty successful in the game as well.

As for innate stuff, like resists, it's definitely useful especially early on in the game. On one side of the argument people will say that other character races can create a gear set that can get superb or better in all resists rendering the fairy perk obsolete but on the other hand a fairy character doesn't need to worry too much about resists and can look for gear that have other abilities on them. The DV bonus Fairies get can be nice as well.

The only painful thing about being a fairy is that weight limit but with flying scrolls and a bit more patience with gear this problem can be dealt with.

Overall, the fairy race is a solid choice and if you're willing to put in a little extra effort with the gear handicap you there is no reason why you can't have a successful fairy character.

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>>13487992
We're pretty good.

Advantages are high mana, like damn good mana. The DV is good, it's not amazing but it's good. It makes the mid-game a breeze but it falls off toward the end game, always at least pretty useful though. Then there's the resistances, which I say are the main draw of the race. It's extremely easy to become virtually immune to all spell damage, except maybe nether, pretty early on. Later you don't need to devote much artifact fusion or gear otherwise to boosting it either. Build up attribute shield eventually and you'll laugh in the face of any spell caster. I'm taking on level 600ish awakened dungeons right now and the element dragons/five head gods can't touch me.

Disadvantages are pretty bad though. Our tiny life and weight limit makes things scary, really scary, early on. You'll have to build around not getting one shot, a lot. Stag gods and the like are a bit more of a wall for us, get contingency. The life is the big one really. It's fixable but you'll need a lot of little sisters/music tickets and you'll never catch up to someone who has done the same grind and chose a different race.

The weight limit isn't shit for the most part. Invest in magic/goods vendors early and you'll start getting enough flying scrolls to equip a few of the things you want. At end game it's completely ignorable.

So ya, definitely recommend it for a mage, maybe a pet master.

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>>13488076
How is your performance skill by now? How long for them hero cheeses?

[Anonymous No.]

Astral light pens are fun.
Made short work of Sophia afterword to, very short work. I think I'm definitely ready for gods. Inner gods are still in question though.

>>13488111
Oh hey. It's at 70 right now. I grinded those for awhile but they were so slow, and it would have taken me over 80 a go that I decided grinding other things was probably a better use of time. I did use what I got for one though.

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>>13488228
are the fruit trees cosmetic or do you actually eat that shit?

Does it make sense to get a basement with downstairs or is it just for storage space?

How do you organize your items when dropped and why are you growing plants in your house?

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>>13488076
Fairies are like the opposite of Golems.

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>>13488628
They started as a food source. Grinding up hero for pickpocketing them was easier and more cost effective than buy food or grinding seeds in yowyn. Now they are decorations.

I use my basement to grind summon spirit/meteor. It is a smoking pile of rubble full of rotten corpses and fire damaged gear.

I use my upstairs to cast wizard harvest with a weight held down on the cast button while I make food. It's to avoid the item limit possibly destroying something I need, which I really fear.

I don't really know what you mean. I have one storage house for rare/priority items. One for bulk items, and one for gear. Then I have another for precious items and equipment I won't be using.

I'm growing plants in my house because in my haste to click fast I kept accidentally planting seeds instead of using the crafting equipment.

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>>13489633
That basement is the house's dark secret that visitors must never know.

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The wiki states that for attribute potentials superb is anything 200%+

Does this mean attribute potential caps at 200% or 400%?

Should I be quaffing potential potions until ALL stats are superb prof or stopping once the first one hits Superb even if others are lower?

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>>13490055
All stats at superb. Make sure you bless your potential potions before you consume them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13490055
Pretty sure the cap is 400, same as speed and skill potential, so quaff away.

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>>13490072
cool, thanks.

do you know if the 4th god reward items that lower stats are worth getting? Why would I want to lower stats?

things like:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Aureate_Constricter
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Mechanical_Binder

etc?

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>>13489655
make sure to hide it behind a wall or a partition

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>>13490080
Most of the 4th god rewards are used to train skills. For instance, with the Mechanical Binder it reduces Marksmanship so that your damage multiplier with say guns isn't high. This translates into things not dying as fast or very slowly meaning you get more hits in thus training the skill more.

[Anonymous No.]

Why can't I find the jewel that reduces evasion and greater evasion? Am I just not looking hard enough?

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>>13490147
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Tempest_Collar

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>>13490170
phew... thanks
For a while I even doubted my memory and thought it was just a dream.

[Anonymous No.]

are there books of healing rain or scroll/wish only?

[Anonymous No.]

God damn just got a quickling archer from a scroll of ally.

Should I be putting him on a ranch to eat his delicious babies, using him with a gun, or just gene engineering him into another pet

[Anonymous No.]

>>13490506
There are books of healing rain and you can also reserve books of healing rain at the mages guild.

>>13490556
Ranch him. Making them into food will be good for speed. There are better pets out there to find and claim.

[Anonymous No.]

Alright.

I am sitting here in the thiefs guild with a low level of Dominate (spell) and no monster heart.

My cast chance of success is 14% but these thieves guild members resist EVERY fucking attempt save scumming.

Is there a calculation I could do to see my % chance of success?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13490080
>>13490126
Training Negotiation with Yacatect's item is very easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13490807
Canvas cargo in Lumiest seems to be the cheapest way to use it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13490668
The formula for dominate is literally within this thread.

>>13462660

[Anonymous No.]

For a gunner character what's the best workshop item to shoot for early on? I'm assuming it's the Shield Tonfa, but not really sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13491032
Shield Tonfa is generally great for starters.

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>>13490055
400%
It's hard to tell sometimes but you'll start to be able to guess what you're at. You can also wait until an important stat hits great then quaff 10 blessed potentials.

All stats. Strength still helps if you're a mage, and magic still helps if you're a gunner. Charisma is the only one you can sort of let slip, but even then blesseds raise every potential so it'll probably only drop after an investing spree.

>>13490084
Will do anon. One of these days I really should clean up all those corpses.

>>13490639
>Ranch him
Not that anon but don't they have a breed power of 0? I've dominated quicklings for that reason before and they refuse to fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

Code delver anon, are you here?
I'd like more information on how Over-ray works. There isn't much information about it on the wiki. In fact there isn't much information about the actual numbers behind most special actions.

I'm thinking of getting a bunch of super high level magic spirits so I can just over-ray everything into oblivion, but I need the numbers. Please and thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13492226
How do you even unlock over-ray?

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>>13492232
I think it's a certain level in magic stat. It might also be casting. I've had it for a long time so I can't really say.

I'd assume magic because it uses the magic stat to determine damage, but maybe it also has charisma in there because it is a party based move.

When I was around level 100 I had a chaos shaman and 2 other low magic stat pets. I would use over-ray sometimes to conserve mana because it did almost exactly the same damage as my magic dart (highest level attack spell at the itme). So that's with one decent magic stat pet. I imagine it would be pretty good with a squad of high magic stat pets in reserve.

Oh, and it doesn't work with necromancy spirits, I already tested that out. Thought I could get some ridiculous damage out of it, but nope.

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>>13492242
Oh so it's like a friendship blast? That's cool.

I get the feeling it's somewhere around 100 magic if it's based on magic. Either way I have a single relatively high-everything pet. If code anon isn't here by the time I get it I'll see if I can experiment and see if any useful information comes of it.

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>>13492259
Ya, it's a spirit bomb. I mostly want to know because killing an inner god with a spirit bomb would make my dick moist.

I thiiiink I was higher than 100 magic when I got it. I know I was farming a bunch of herbs with an overloaded cart at the time, so it's likely related to stats rather than skills since my stats were going up really quick when I got it.

Go for it. Good old fashioned experimenting is always fun. Once I get to 600 and astral pen frisia's tail I'll summon some stupidly high level magic spirits and test out the damage I can do with it, I'll let you know. Might be a few days though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13491176
Assuming I'm reading it all correctly:

x = (All eligible allies' magic + your magic)[capped at your magic * 9 + your magic)
y = (Your casting * 6 + 10) * (your magic multiplier)

(y/70 + 1 + x/25)d(y/18 + 2 + 1)

I'm 100% sure that damage formula is correct. The variables (x/y) may not be right, as this thing spans three functions before everything is calculated, so I may have missed something.

Damage is "Magic" element.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13492573
This was totally supposed to quote >>13492226

Sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13492573
>>13492578
Much appreciated anon. I'll calculate that proper once I'm less distracted, and find another insight lens. Seems promising from a glance though.

Shame there's a cap on it though. Then again since Ill be using frisia's tail it won't be a big issue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13492573
>[capped at your magic * 9 + your magic)
Wouldn't that just be your magic * 10?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13492573
You were asking about other things to look into before. If you're bored, there really isn't much information about many of the special actions. I'd also personally like to know about stat scaling on monsters that level up, like necromancy coffins or summoned spirits.

>>13492634
That's what I was thinking, but I can't really math.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13492573
What's your magic multiplier?

From this, I would guess a player with 250 magic could get a value of 2500 for x with enough pets with high magic.

But I don't know how to calculate y due to the magic multiplier part.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13492634
Technically, yes. I just wrote it that was as that's how it is in the code. The first part is calculated (All eligible allies' magic), then reduced to (your magic * 9) if it's higher, and then that number is temporarily added to your magic score. Hence, your magic * 9 + your magic.

It's the same reason I wrote:
(y/18 + 2 + 1)
Instead of
(y/18 + 3)

It's simply how it's written in the code.

[Anonymous No.]

So where does everyone have their houses set up?

My castle is located about halfway between Yowyn and Palmia, so I can do quick harvest quests and do everything else in Palmia.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13492661
Oh, so it's (All eligible allies' magic)ceiling(your magic*9)+your magic
Got it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13492675
Mine is right smack dab next to the lumiest bridge. I don't like it though, pretty bad spot. It's made a bit better because I can return to the south border so I can get to either side of the map instantly, but it takes a bit to get anywhere near the middle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13492659
Err, it's your magic multiplier. You know, "It enhances your spells." and the Magic Armor special action? Caps at 3x. I really don't know what else to call it lol.

>>13492644
I've tried to find out how the scaling works before and didn't really come up with anything. Most of the things I can find are because I have something to go off of; a message when the ability is used, an internal ID (spells, etc.) that are easy to find, and so on. Then it's just deciphering things in the area until you find out what you want.

There's not really much to go off of with regards to attribute/skill scaling though.

I've posted a few of the special action details to the wiki (body blow, attribute, cheer), but they're just in comments. If I get some more free time at work I'll see about working on the others. That's where I do most of this, as a way to keep myself busy when I've got nothing to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13492713
Ah makes sense, well the work is appreciated either way.

Maybe try using the summon spirit spell as a jumping off point? Or a monster that is constantly being scaled up like said spirits? Though I guess everything gets scaled because of awakened dungeons, so that might not work.
I don't know about code, let alone specifically how the elona code is kept and organized.

Also, I thought the multiplier capped at 2.5x? Or are you including the magic armor skill that also stacks on top of that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13492713
Oh that, I always thought of it as spell enhancement modifier.

So a player with 300 magic, 300 casting, and a 3.6x multiplier(3x with magic equip action) would get

(6516/70+1+3000/25)d(6516/18+2+1) damage.

Or

214d362 damage.

For an average 38.8k damage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13492732
Adding medium armor, which takes it from 2.5x to 3x.

I've posted the formula for the spirit's level before, but unfortunately, the scaling is done elsewhere. I could probably find it by searching for the level variable, since I'm sure it's based off of (spawn level - base level), but the level variable is used 3500 times. That's unfortunately more times than I'm willing to look through.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13492753
Sorry, I was adding Magic Armor spact when I said 3x. The total cap is 3x (2.5x from "It enhances your spells.", + 20% (becomes .5) with Magic Equip. So your number is going to be a bit lower.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any way for a fairy to get the magic armor buff?

[Anonymous No.]

Why are putits so cute? Can I have an army of them fight my battles for me while I reign as putit king?

[Anonymous No.]

the wiki says the sox is a blunt weapon, does that mean it's not as good for throwing? I thought it'd function just like panties

[Anonymous No.]

>>13492910
You can do whatever you set your mind to do, anon. Also their japanese name "Puchi" is much cuter!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13492905
You have 13 slots so... assuming you use all of them, as long as your equips have at least 1.2s each you can make it to 15.6s weight, so medium armor. Probably with cursed scrolls of flying to increase equipment weight, might take some work though.

[Anonymous No.]

>Greet Zeome for the 15th time
>This battle is different
>Turn on rampage, spam shining waves instead of
tactically fight him
>Win

I think that was one of the less exciting fights I've had, but regardless I can go to South Tyris now.

Is there anything interesting here besides AP boy? And from him, what's worth getting? Continuous attack doesn't seem to be.

[Anonymous No.]

>Greet Zeome for the 15th time
>This battle is different
>Turn on rampage, spam shining waves instead of tactically fight him
>Win

I think that was one of the less exciting fights I've had, but regardless I can go to South Tyris now.

Is there anything interesting here besides AP boy? And from him, what's worth getting? Continuous attack doesn't seem to be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13493635
You can get the maid mansion which acts like a home in South Tyris. The head maid gives you a free large picnic basket +7 every 10th and 20th of every month. Useful as a way to maintain your potentials so why not take advantage of it especially if it's for free.

There is a quest in South Tyris that rewards you the Kumiromi statue which is useful in getting herb seeds. There is also a quest that will lead to you being able to purchase the discarded ranch. Useful place to store all your pets. In a casino in a town that I can't recall the name of there is an NPC that sells monster balls. If you invest in said NPC the monster ball level increases as well as providing a larger selection. Useful for capturing and gaining high level pets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13493635
Get Trait: Brave at the very least. Use your AP also to up your speed if it's not 500 or higher yet. If nothing else interests you convert your AP into 100 bonus skill points.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13493693
>Free potential
That takes care of my biggest concern about questing in South Tyris. Dunno where that two million is going to come from though.

>>13493742
Thanks. Is the trait that lets you dim people when you get hit any use as well?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13493802
If you're the kind of character that gets in melee range of things often then it might be useful. If not then you might want to spend your points elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13493829
Sounds like my character right there. Guess I'll snag it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13493076
Fairies can't equip anything heavier than 1s though. You see the problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13494130
sorry anon it's been a while since I played fairy, I thought it was 1.5s for some reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>13492675
Right beside Yowyn.

[Anonymous No.]

For shop keepers how does stacking items work?

do you just pile everything in 1 huge as fuck stack or is there a limit or what?

I am assuming there is or what is the point of expanding the shop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13494678
You expand the shop in order to increase the maximum limit of items in the map.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13494681
Thank you.

Last question of the night. Is there a way to get my pet to stop eating shitty undead food and losing stats?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13494694
Tamer's Whip.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13494699
Thanks.

Do whip all your pets or does it really end up hurting their attributes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13494732
It doesn't affect attributes.

[Anonymous No.]

If divine wisdom is based off learning, and the divine wisdom buff increases learning, then why doesn't the duration and effect increase each time you re-cast it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13494785
Effect: Learning and Magic increase by 7+(L+1)/4, literacy by 3+(L+5)/10
Duration: 25+2.5*(L-1) t

Formulas don't have the learning skill effecting either effect(potency) or duration. Only spell level, noted in each formula as 'L', is effecting the effect and duration.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13494824
I mean literacy skill.

[Anonymous No.]

Man 40 levels of swimming through skill points at 400% speed potential and only one point in speed. Maybe I should go back to putting these in magic device or something else.

[Anonymous No.]

Is the wisest AP gain strategy to stockpile as much as you can at once, then spend it all on speed, or should you do it gradually?

Right now I'm at a point where I can kill nuns/arena masters in performer quests to gain AP, but I fear if I gain too much speed, I'll "overlevel" myself AP wise, closing me out of those easy gains.

Or am I completely misunderstanding the system? It wouldn't be the first time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13495187
I think only your initial speed is taken into account, not your current one.

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>>13495200
>>13495187
I'm about ready to start focusing on speed (first character).

What is the progression route?

1) beat main game while hoarding (and not eating yet) all raw shoes that train speed, speed uppers, and blessed hermes blood?

2) grind AP and max out speed using AP until 500

3) beat chapter 3

4) grind more AP and max out at 800 using AP again

5) eat dem shoes, quaff a speed upper every time you think your potential is low, then eat blessed hermes blood?

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>>13493049
seems so; I tried using sox as a throwing weapon before and they sucked compared to just using it as a melee weapon

[Anonymous No.]

>>13495264
That's the gist of it. Going to do exactly that for my pet as well to get her speed up there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13495264
I also store equipment that maintains speed for the buff when you eat those, and music tickets for more speed uppers.

[Anonymous No.]

Are there still any people who ride pets instead of increasing their own speed?

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>>13495636
I'm not riding because High speed pets usually come with a high INI which hogs my AP gain if I ride it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13495649
The game considers the pet's INI if you're riding?

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>>13495650
Sadly. I first though because I was playing a golem I can't get any AP with my high AP. Whined about it here and someone said to try and dismount. So I did, and I finally started getting AP. My giraffe is still at the discarded ranch ever since.

Btw is it only me or the capthcas are getting harder and harder to read? I had to refresh it 5 times just to be able to figure out what the second word was...

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>>13495707
They should fix that, otherwise Riding will become useless, with all the new ways to increase speed.

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>>13495636
Earlier in this thread there was a guy who posted about how he killed the gods. He's a person who rides pets for speed and naturally he has been playing for a long time.

If I had to guess, maybe one of the reasons why he took up riding was because in prior versions of Elona riding was the easiest way to increase your speed. Later versions of Elona made it easier to raise your character's speed leading to some players forgoing mounts.

As it currently stands though it will still take a considerable amount of time to get 2000 speed with either method. Mounted people want a pet with a lot of speed and a lot of slots to equip gear to increase speed. Attaining speed gear, gene engineering, and raising the riding skill takes a lot of time. For players wanting to raise their character's speed they have to gather AP and farm speed increasing potions, gear, etc.

Anyhow, most of the time when I see a mounted player I always have to wonder if they're a veteran player that has been playing since 1.16.

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>>13495722
>when I see a mounted player I always have to wonder if they're a veteran player that has been playing since 1.16
That's probably true, at least for me.

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>>13495716
Yeah, something (minor) needs to be done.
Right now as it is I really feel like it's there as a newbie trap. Maybe it's intentional.

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>>13495759
>>13495732
>>13495722
>>13495716
Wait... so the consensus is Riding is shit right now?

I just got Kaneda bike, should I tell him to fuck off and just focus on my other 2 pets? (God pets: Defender/Holy Knight.

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>>13495761
Wait until you start to go up against stuff that usually yields AP. Ditch it after that. When you feel you won't need AP anymore, which is almost never you can start looking for a better mount.

Sadly the Kaneda bike was designed for vanilla. There is really not much time between acquiring it and when you start getting good AP.

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>>13495778
Thanks.

I have a pile of like 6000 misc ores/crystals

raw ore of rubynus
raw ore of diamond
sun crystal
mana crystal

etc

Is there a reason to hoard these if I already have the god pet for the god that uses them as tribute?

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>>13495784
Give them to your pets. But only after fusing the raw ores with the pot for fusion.

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>>13495761
Well I personally wouldn't say riding is shit. I'd just say it's an alternative way of raising speed. As pointed out above riders want a fast pet, lots of slots for speed gear, and high riding skill. I should also add that they may also want to look into speed enhancement consumables and AP to raise speed but it will be for the pet not the player.

At any rate, the decision will really come down to do you want to focus your speed on yourself or your pet that you will ride. Some players like the perk of having somewhat of a second life bar since your pet is the first to go if you should sustain massive injuries while mounted. On the flipside others will say that since your speed is all in your pet then if the pet dies there goes your speed and maybe you'll be next to die soon after. Also, some just don't like the extra micro managing when it comes to pets.

So the choice is yours with what you want to do. Both will get you to your goal of high speed but what are you comfortable with?

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>>13495784
>>13495794
If you still worship that god, make sure you cap out your favor using those ores first so that you get the highest stat/skill boosts you can from it. Don't forget about putting on a full set of +faith equipment to temporarily increase your max limit.

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>>13495784
Rubynus, diamond and emerald can be fused together with the pot of fusion that produces 1 higher value gem. You can drop those home to increase heirloom value or just give it to your pets.
Mana crystals can be used in some other recipes like bombs, but there's really no use to hoard them unless you're a throwing guy. In that case congratulations! Throwing is a good way I just never could do it myself.
I couldn't find any good use for earth, sun crystals and raw mica, I usually just pass it to my pet and he trains for their value.

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>>13495801
But you don't get AP while riding. So Riding seems useless in the current game.

[Anonymous No.]

Shop newbie again.

I have a Jure Swordsman as shop keeper and 139 items in 2 stacks

It's been like a week and he has 0 sales. Why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13495833
some items can't be sold

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>>13495833
Have you checked how much charisma your shopkeeper has? You can't expect an ugly sack of shit selling stuff.

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>>13495831
You do get AP while riding, it's just that your INI get mixed with your ride's INI and the result is some Higher value than your original. Probably it's the arithmetic mean of both INIs. I don't know, I'm not the source code guy.

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>>13495845
37 CHR
21 Negotiation

I see the wiki recommends gene engineering mutants into them.

Is there any real penalty for complicated bodies on shop keepers?

I know it lowers speed but is that it?

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>>13495851
But your INI doesn't increase if you just increase your own speed. If it did then there would be no problem in riding, but it doesn't.

>>13495852
Try putting each item in a different tile.

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>>13495906
INI doesn't increase, yes. The already accumulated AP is why you start getting less and less AP.

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>>13495959
And with riding your actual INI increases. Which nets you less AP.

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So to sum it up you either get riding, and keep catching better and better rides that have higher survivability and speed. You get an additional HP bar, a sacrifice in case you would die, and an extra inventory that is sworn to carry your burdens.
Or you don't ride, get AP sooner, get faster by spending that AP your defensive skills train more by themselves, and you get less hit penalties.
Did I miss something?
I do believe a healthy mix of both is the way to go.

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>>13496013
Training the Riding skill isn't easy or fast, so you either ride from the start or you never do. Right now it seems the game favors those that don't ride.

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>>13496049
It's not fast but you can speed it up a little by reading a riding skillbook during heavy rain or snow. I imagine you'd need like 300 in riding to ride the best pet so I do se your point.

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By the time you're looking at 2000 speed riding you can do awakened dungeons, which means extremely fast skill points. It also means your AP is going toward skill points.

Invest 400 odd skill points into a max potential skill and it gains about 50 levels. Just food for thought.

[Anonymous No.]

There's no God but Kumiromi and the cute fairy is His Prophet.

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>>13497504
>Hoarding your seeds

Thou art a blackguard and no true believer! Get those herb seeds planted immediately.

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>>13497597
>hoarding
I got them in one day by feeding shit to the fairy and throwing cursed booze at her. I guess it would be even more practical to use Body Blow to squeeze the seeds out of the fairy.
The only problem is that she is not cute anymore, she has only 1 CHA because of all that vomit covering her face. But well, look at all those seeds!

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>>13497709
I hope you feel sorry for that fairy

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>>13497728
A little. She looks like Gollum, anorexic and smells like rotten meat. I'm going to give her a nice gift or something.

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>>13497504
I wish elona+ kept the rotten food = seeds system. They could really do a lot more with gardening. Like seeds having +x modifiers that can determine the quality, or increase the chance of better yields. Bring back the rotten food system and make gardening increase the chance of one spawning and the quality (initially very low). This could even balance kumi statues since you could make them only give +1 or even +0 seeds.

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>>13498251
I would prefer it if they had a system in place where once you went to harvest your plants you would get what the plant bears as well as having a chance to collect a seed from said plant. Rarer plants would be hard to collect seeds from but a high gardening should at least give you a reasonable chance for maybe harvesting a seed from them.

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>>13498289
That's not a bad idea either. Gardening is really the only thing they kind of screwed up with plus. Taking rods of wish out of magic seeds was a bit of a misstep too, although making them much rarer would be a good idea.
It's in a weird place. The gardening system is extremely strong and practically manditory for an endgame character, but the gardening skill is pretty weak. It has a soft cap at only 60 and doesn't do too much past that. The modifiers on food was a step in the right direction but I think a more entertaining way to get seeds is the biggest improvement they need to make.

Harvest times are really tedious once you hit even 300 odd speed, let alone end game levels. Cute fairy isn't terrible I guess but I'm not a fan of a mandatory pet, and I thought the rotten food change was to fix farmers absolutely needing to worship Kumi?

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>>13498314
I blame Kumi for the gardening system. He needs to get his shit together. Kumi needs to invent more ways of farming or allow more of his fairies to come down and help said farmers.

Mani is probably sneering at him asking him why he doesn't just let machines automate the work. Kumi probably told Mani go fuck himself many years ago.

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>>13498314
>Harvest times are really tedious
I summon a snail that has 22 speed then ride it when I'm done with the quota.
What needs to be done is to change harvest times in a way that it won't fail if you have met the quota and the walked out of the field. Something like hunting, panic, challenge quests.

[Anonymous No.]

How the fuck do you do party time quests.

I have level 20 perform and a recorder and I keep failing.

They are green 2x $ quests, why the fuck are they so hard.

The goal is to get the blue stars above assholes heads right?

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>>13498397
That's correct you want to get blue stars above their heads to indicate that you got points from them which will factor in to your final score at the end. 20 performance is a bit on the low side. You'll achieve a lot more victories in those quests once your performance is at least 50. Try building your skill up at the cyber dome by playing for all those punks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13498397
Hang in there, perform is very difficult to build up. However, when you reach 30 in performer (and gain a level) you get the Ensemble ability to let your pets perform with you. This basically guarantees party time success.

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>>13498433
do pet's have to have performer (and it at a respectable level) too?

do they need instruments?

[Anonymous No.]

When and where to Scrolls of Growth start dropping?

I am level 45 running around in DL 35-40 dungeons and haven't seen one yet.

Nothing on my vendors:
115 general
120 magic
110 magic

[Anonymous No.]

anyone have a list of buffs that are worth leveling and keeping up?

the durations see so... shit.

Only one I use is attribution shield and regen (+divine wisdom for books).

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>>13498478
Pets need performer (gene engineer it), but the level doesn't really matter, and instruments don't matter at all. Not sure if you'll have greater success with more pets, as I typically bring along 6 or so.

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>>13498514
I've seen them on dungeon floors of DL 100 and up. People mainly get their scrolls of growth from Garok's workshop though.

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>>13498549
All buffs are worth it depending on the situation.
Duration raise with level so they all become long-lasting, soon enough, sooner with enchance spells equipment.

[Anonymous No.]

How would you effectively train control magic?
Is spamming low level ball spells the only way, since the main damage spells normally used seems to out pace the control level

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>>13498549
All of them.

Depending on what class you are you you'll have priorities, but all of them are good. These are my durations. The buffs above contingency I just started leveling a day ago. So as you can see durations get really long.

I keep the lower 5 on at all times in dungeons, and once I get the upper 5 leveled I'll keep them on too. I would have the all leveled but I didn't know you could press ctrl+number to map spells to a second set of hotkeys, and just didn't have room for them all.

An easy way to level them is to just put the corner of your wallet, or other heavy-ish item on the hotkey and go make a sandwich. I do this all the time. If I'm sleepy I'll drain my mana bar on a buff like that while reading something or cooking, then go to sleep, and when I wake up my mana is back. You obviously don't have to every time but buffs are stupid easy to level, just time consuming sometimes.

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>>13497709
>use Body Blow to squeeze the seeds out of the fairy
I can't stop laughing.

>>13498251
>>13498289
Farming is already overpowered as it is now, it doesn't need any more buffs. It became basically a mandatory skill. Unless they want people to spend even more time gardening, they shouldn't introduce even more things to it.

>>13498597
Aren't people trading sox for scrolls?

>>13498609
>Is spamming low level ball spells the only way
You can train it from casting them near your pets, so it doesn't take long.

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>>13499289
I don't want farming buffs, I want a more even distribution of power within gardening, as well as deepening the skill, since it is such a major part of the game at this point.

Besides, it isn't really gardening that's overpowered. It's the herb in recipe specifically that's OP.

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>>13499303
It doesn't help that it's been so easy to get herbs from farming. It makes farming OP by relation. Even this many herbs by themselves would be a lot even if there was no recipe.

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>>13499289
I imagine some people are using sox but for the people that don't have access to Irva and want to take advantage of scrolls of growth much earlier the workshop is always there.

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>>13499314
I think I'd prefer more ways to increase stats than one really good way, like herbs. I think the rate they increase right now isn't bad, at least at peak endgame.

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>>13499399
Well, they introduced new ways to get potential, like picnic baskets and breakfast, but still none for actually increasing stats. I personally think it'd be hard to make up a new way to do that that's more efficient than herbed food, though.

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>>13499424
Well they added the 1500 AP for 100 skill points, which I've been exploiting to no end. It leads to massive gains in skills and pretty good gains in stats. That was a step in the right direction.

Either way, I really don't think herb in is that broken. If you're at the point where you have enough Kumi statues to eat them for every meal and you're overcarting to farm up a big stack of them, you're going for gods, even inner gods, and they will take a long time to get you to that point, even with their potency.

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>>13499457
At the end you can just ignore farming completely and still go at your own pace, since Elona is single player and there's no reason to rush. But it feels kind of a waste to not use something so good. I wouldn't like being level 100 and having stats under 150.

[Anonymous No.]

Can you artifact fuse inner god weapons? I want to make frisia's tail even more ridiculous.

Anyway, I'll make a new thread since we're at page 10. Discussion has been good the last few days.

>>13499487
I know what you mean. Even though there's no negatives to leveling anymore (aside from less skill points if your learning can't keep up, which is minor) it still feels like you should keep your level low for your stats.

Right now I'm trying to hit 600 for reasons and it just feels so dirty. I can get 6 levels off a batch of summoned spirits, and I can get 4 from an awakened dungeon, but now my stats are lower than my level. There's no negative to it, but it feels so dirty and gross.

[Anonymous No.]

Here's the new thread.

>>13499555