Old man: We are all going to hell for liking 2D

[Anonymous No.]

>Take, for example, anime. Anime is those Japanese cartoons in which innocent looking school girls end up doing some less than innocent things.

>Now people will argue with me over this, but anime is intentional and has a purpose, though the milder forms of it pretend not to.

>And that purpose is to entice dirty old men with a kind of kiddie porn, but kiddie porn set in a weird world where the children are more alluring, more "accidentally" seductive and more deliberately innocent-and-provocative than actual children. Anime shows where pedophilia really leads, and the disordered world it aims to create.

>Now, I can understand dirty old men (being one myself). What I can't understand is the weird thing that anime is. It's a kind of culture that shows that sin does not just stop when it's satisfied - that sin is never satisfied and that if we indulge it it takes us to a particular place and does specific things - things which are always beyond what we naively expect them to be. For pedophilia is not about lust; it's about the perversion of innocence, and building a world that celebrates and embodies that perversion; it's not simply about a dirty old man getting his kicks.

>And anime pretends to be innocent, but it's not. It's all about a world that exists to corrupt and abuse the innocent, even if only in one's imagination.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13329428
>All sin is like this. All evil is used by beings with designs that are far beyond our own rather simple hopes and fears. For example, "vixens" (deliberately seductive women) know exactly what they're doing - they are intentional - and men fall for their traps all the time; but the trap traps the trapper, and even the women who think they are on top of the wrong they do are themselves wronged by it.

>The nations have fallen into the pit they have dug; their feet are caught in the net they have hidden. (Ps. 9:15)

>The best way to describe this, then, is that there is an intentionality behind our desires, both the good desires and the bad ones. And since most of us follow our bad desires, we can see all about us where sin leads.

>For instance, the witches in Macbeth aren't just messing around. They want to destroy a man, to dehumanize him, to damn him. Our evil desires are like the whispers of those witches, and I suspect that something far more frightening than witches are croaking out those whispers.

>For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. (2 Tim. 4:3)

[Anonymous No.]

Amen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13329434
4chan isn't letting me post the source, just google any of the paragraphs to find some old dude's blogspot

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>>13329436
Jews and Christians routinely married 12 year olds and thereabouts at the time of Christ. Why are people getting their panties in all sorts of knots about stuff like KissxSis where they aren't even kids.

[Anonymous No.]

Heaven is boring anyway.

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>>13329451
Fucked up morals of modern society.

Seriously, and they call us degenerates.

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>>13329451
I'm not getting my panties in a twist, just going with the flow, dude!!!

[Anonymous No.]

I want to NTR Mary Magdalene before Jesus, dude!!!

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>>13329428
Whatever, I'm gonna go beat off to lolidom.

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>>13329434
this is a cute image, thank you for posting it

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>>13329532
Excellent idea!

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>>13329577
>this is a cute image, thank you for posting it
It was the image that the christian ojisan cited as an example of pedophilia anime

[Anonymous No.]

If sinning is wrong I don't want to be right.

[Anonymous No.]

Haram

[Anonymous No.]

This pedo freak just wants to blame anime.


he should get hanged.

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>>13329695
>This pedo freak just wants to blame anime.
This.

[Anonymous No.]

>For pedophilia is not about lust; it's about the perversion of innocence, and building a world that celebrates and embodies that perversion; it's not simply about a dirty old man getting his kicks.

No.

I just like cute things and flat chests.

Mind breaking children is very unappealing to me.

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>>13329428
I'm not sexually attracted to the loli I just love it because I wish to by the loli.

There's nothing wrong with that.

[Anonymous No.]

who you greenin' nerds

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>>13329428
He's just being tsundere!

[Anonymous No.]

The youthfulness of anime characters isn't a problem, but I feel like one day I'm going to have to answer "Why do you forsake the females of your own species to pursue fictional females with cat ears?", "Why do you think imaginary 2D women you guys draw are better than the 3D women I created in reality?", "you would seriously rather have sex with a non-living machine and let your line die out than be fruitful and multiply with a living woman?" and stuff like that and I won't be able to answer why.

That said, would you sacrifice one of your ribs to have God bring you waifu into reality?
Would you give up 70 virgins to have one anime type loli?

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>>13329741

So what you're saying is you're a lolicon, not a pedophile.

I believe that for a number of people who identify as lolicons, their sexual interests are actually their natural paternal instincts and desires being misinterpreted as sexual attraction. It is not helpful that so many loli and/or moe type anime also include a large amount of sexualisation.

I, at least, find myself watching SoL and such type shows not to get my rocks off, but to watch the daughters I'll never have as they go about their lives.

[Anonymous No.]

Lolicon and Pedophilia have always been the same to me. One is 2D the other 3D.
They both embody cuteness, innocence, childish nonmanipulated behaviour etc.

Though, once we start talking about sexual intercourse 3D gets a bit more complicated as there is pre-puberty pedophilia and post puberty pedophilia. The first is obviously unnatural, since your woman would'nt even be able to reproduce and is just not ready for it.

Post-puberty intercourse has nothing to do with "The body might be ready but the mind not". It's all a matter of education, because once the body is infact ready, the mind is usually too. Once you gain healthy interest in sex, you are ready. Which is around 13-14 years old mostly.

Lastly, unlike homosexuality or even bi-sexuality, lolidom or pedophilia is nothing you are born with. You cannot be naturally attracted to children, you can only be attracted by a gender.
Pedophilia is a choice, a fetish/preference, just like other fetishes. I believe that someone who identifies themself as a pedophile can just aswell beat himself off to regular porn unlike if you were to try fapping to the other gender.

Now, lolicon is simply a substitude for what used to be normal but cannot be because of new social standards and laws today.
Of course, artists overtune the cuteness and behaviour a bit to make it more appealing because in the end they are not real and thus the effect needs to be artificially enhanced.

If you happen to be someone who is just interested in lolicon because of the cuteness and flat chests but nothing more than it is just your personal preference and that is just fine.

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>>13329915
Not to forget, pedophilia is nothing about non-consent rape and beating children up.
Of course this does sadly exists aswell, and those people are really in need of help or just need to be locked away.

But its then genereally classified as rape which is an entire different story and something that obviously NOT okay.

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>>13329915
>Lastly, unlike homosexuality or even bi-sexuality, lolidom or pedophilia is nothing you are born with. You cannot be naturally attracted to children, you can only be attracted by a gender.
Any scientific source to back this up?

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>>13329926
No because it gets suppressed. I work as a medics guy and have a healthy interest in studying all sexual interests.

Then again, try to approach this thought in a very logical way.
Beating off to grannies is a fetish, just like teens while regular adults are the norm, right?
Now why wouldnt be 12-18 year olds a fetish aswell?

Fapping to dick pictures is obviously not a fetish. And If i were to fap to homosexuality than its going to be lesbians,...

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>>13329915
>post puberty pedophilia

That's an oxymoron. Pedophilia is definitionally 'sexual attraction to prepubescent girls'.

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>>13329942
Since nowadays you can literally fap to objects, I don't know anymore, maybe we are just humanizing objects in the end by putting humanity's sexual traits in them, but (some) little girls are also sexy as fuck so it should be natural.

It's just attraction for a gender, except it's young.

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>>13329952
No, gender is not it.

It's attraction to sex.

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>>13329926
>>13329942
I might add that, because of medical confidentiality I've met a few people who have told me all sorts of things. I clearly remember two middle aged guys who subtly hinted they were interested in lolicon/pedophilia. Both told me that they grew to like them and that they used to be different and dont like their new preference becauce of fear being an outcast etc.

But that is just like it is, once you find your inner true sexual preference its difficult to let loose. I've been drooling to legs and bellies my entire life, nothing I can do about it either.

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>>13329951
True, but if people get into trouble for having sex with a 16 year old and the case is labeled pedophilia then we need to start thinking in different terms here.

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>>13329964
>having sex with a 16 year old and the case is labeled pedophilia

Who would seriously even do that? 16 is legal in most places anyway, and I doubt even California would call it that.

The closest thing to that happening is media calling naked pictures of 16 year olds "child pornography" as if it's on the same level as a 5 year old being gangbanged or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13329984

A lot of people think pedophilia means 'sex a minor'.

[Anonymous No.]

Why would I read this?

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>>13329992
How many of those would also think 16 is a minor? No one calls people pedos for wanting to fuck 16 year old pop stars.

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>>13330007
>No one calls people pedos for wanting to fuck 16 year old pop stars

People do, absolutely.

They don't care if a 16 year old makes lewd comments about another 16 year old, but if you're over 18 and make a comment like that you'll be judged harshly.

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>>13330013
Now that's people being weird then.

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>>13329428
back to /z/ faggot

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>>13330020

Next time you're watching TV with someone else ;_;make some offhand comment about some 16 year old actor, like: 'man, I'd noodle her catfish"

Trust me, you'll get called a pedo and they may even kick you out.

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>>13330030
This is what pathetic internet pedos suffering from persecution complexes really believe.

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>>13330007

16 is the age of consent here, but it's still seen as strange for anyone to be attracted to 16 year olds unless they're about 18 or younger themselves.

I think that's due to international pornography laws, and pedohysteria, though.

People are so intent of not appearing pedophilic that they pretend secondary sexual characteristics suddenly appear at 18, or even older, and there's no real difference between a 9 year old and a 16 year old.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13330035
Don't bully pedos on /jp/!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13330057

Don't bully anyone on /jp/.

ここには苛めてはいけないんだ！

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>>13329915
>The first is obviously unnatural, since your woman would'nt even be able to reproduce and is just not ready for it.
Try google "list of youngest birth mother" you shittard.

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>>13330106
most of whom are exceptions, "shittard," the fact that there's only like 40 under 10 in a population of a few billion means you're wrong.

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>>13330035
Persecution complex my ass. Try asking people IRL what they think of non-offending pedos. Go on I'll wait.

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>>13329942
>>13329915
Nice try faggot, but homosexuality is also a fetish. This shit happen when you fap too much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13330119
Try asking people IRL what they think of particle physics. Go on I'll wait.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13330134
Try asking people IRL what they think of the Fourth Thermodynamic Law.

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>>13330134
>>13330159
Please calm down, we only need allies...not enemies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13330119
talking about fucking 16 year olds is the subject, not their opinions of pedos.

[Anonymous No.]

How can you go to hell if hell doesn't exist?

[Anonymous No.]

People need to learn to shame fetishes and paraphilia only when actual real live people are being hurt. Until then, it should be all good.

[Anonymous No.]

>Anime is those Japanese cartoons in which innocent looking school girls end up doing some less than innocent things.
There isn't a medium in existence that hasn't explored human sexuality.

I'd carry on in similar fashion but I don't really see purpose in doing so.

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>>13330013
I think the reasoning is that most children are far more likely to believe they have no influence in a situation where they are being coerced by an adult than the same situation with one of their peers. And of course, younger children don't always know that they are being exploited. So even though some minors might be capable of making the decision for themselves to enter into a relationship with an adult, we put a blanket ban on those relationships to avoid the more unfortunate cases.

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>>13329489
>Why are comments like these the reason I love you guys?

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>>13330222
How can you prove it doesn't exist without killing yourself?

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>>13330444
Who are you quoting though?

[Anonymous No.]

It's like I'm browsing a strange hybrid of /r9k/ and /v/!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13330489
Welcome to /jp/!!

Now get out

[Anonymous No.]

>>13330492
>!!
This is not /jp/. This is kuso posting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13330496
your a kuso

[Anonymous No.]

>>13330496
>This is kuso posting.
Welcome to /jp/!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13330496
but it's fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>13330511
>>13330509
>>13330502
>>13330492
Stop posting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13330489
What exactly is /r9k/ and /v/ in this thread?

[Anonymous No.]

So what kind of anime have that guy been watching

[Anonymous No.]

>>13330516
NEVER

[Anonymous No.]

>>13330478
Joke's on you, I died and came back.

Hell is Gensokyo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13330516
you can't tell me what to do anymore,mom

[Anonymous No.]

>>13329915
Anyone who has seen the lolicon on exhentai knows that it gets pretty close to real in some cases and the furthest thing from it in others, but overall, the "age" thing plays a very important role. Yet, in the end, we could almost classify ALL Hentai as a form of paraphilia and perhaps this is the reason why there aren't any connections between pedophilia and lolicon. since the viewers are attracted to underage "drawn" characters, not underage humans.

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>>13329942
>Now why wouldnt be 12-18 year olds a fetish aswell?
Bait. Has to be.

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>>13330550
>and perhaps this is the reason why there aren't any connections between pedophilia and lolicon. since the viewers are attracted to underage "drawn" characters, not underage humans.
You're in deep denial.
Here's my personal collection of gelbooru comments, some relevant, some not.
http://pastebin.com/54DgLXtS

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>>13330593
I wonder how many like small girls simply because of the dominance factor. I for one would enjoy a rape fantasy with a girl who agreed to it, but I could never do something like that against someone's will.

Our subconscious is a scary place.

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>>13329852

I think there's a big difference between being attracted to children, and wanting to damage them.

The second is a form of sadism, and the fact it's involving a child is only incidental.

[Anonymous No.]

All this thread got misguided by this guy >>13329915, this is impressive.

I won't talk about Pedophilia and 3D since those are things that I cannot relate to, but as far as 2D is concerned you guys tend to forget that they usually are drawn in a perfect/cute way purposely.
Like someone said in the thread most lolicons, if we can call them like that, aren't attracted at them sexually first. You'd be more inclined to act like the 2 ladies in that picture >>13329741, just wanting to cuddle/hug all day the cute little thing. Same goes for related pic.

Now, one thing happening a lot in 2D is the loli taking the first step for a sexual event. However you want to counter it, a loli is still a girl. When she starts to look at you with those lust/love eyes and starts taking action, there's a chance that your body will react, even more if you're a lonely guy to boot.
In fact, morality or hate is the only prevention for that, which proves that naturally shit would happen. I'm not event talking about oppai lolis and such, those are little girls drawn with the appeal of mature girls so of course some will be sexually attracted to them.

I'm not interested in real little girls for lots of reasons but historically it was still common for them to have sex, people just put more and more moral rules because [insert some more morals here].

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>>13330675

I wish I'd saved it, but I saw an article, probably in image form, about a grown man who married a young girl, I think 9, and they eventually had their own children and lived together until old age. There was a part about him berating the girl's school teacher, saying they didn't have the authority to punish another man's wife.

I think it occurred in the early 20th century, but it was definitely in the United States.

[Anonymous No.]

What is there to talk about? Morality is a complete joke and my dick gets hard for kids.

[Anonymous No.]

fuck i tipped my fedora so far it fell to the ground

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>>13329959
>>13329942
>>13329915
Some guy "learns" to find guys attractive will get told "You were always gay", yet when some guy "learns" to find children attractive he will get told "That's a learned respond, you chose to do this, slippery slope of porn" or other bullshit.

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>>13330844
Welp, there are always exception to the rule.
I was talking about the majority.

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>>13330593
Ok let me rephrase, I should have known the "some lolicons are pedos" card would be played. I'm am not denying that but I am arguing that all lolicons are not pedos. Since the poster claimed he thought of them as the same thing.

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>>13329823
>That said, would you sacrifice one of your ribs to have God bring you waifu into reality?
>Would you give up 70 virgins to have one anime type loli?
Yes and yes.

It is perfectly acceptable, for Allah has ordained it. Praise be to him, Allah the most benevolent, the merciful, the kawaii.

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>>13330524
OP here. It was KissxSis.

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>>13330849
It's not really a good rule then, is it?

[Anonymous No.]

I think it's always easier to create media that caters to an already existing demand rather than create media to propagate demand for something people don't have yet.

So which is it, are today anime pandering too much to otaku pedos or are they made to turn people into otaku pedos?

Also, isn't that already the plot of one anime or something?

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>>13331005
>are today anime pandering too much to otaku pedos or are they made to turn people into otaku pedos?

Probably both?
Hell, they totally brought me into the boat, thats for sure.

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>>13331005
I doubt fetishes/paraphilias are learned in the sense implied here, more a case of learning about yourself. Culture (relating to social norms) represses us, a good thing as it allows for civilization, but culture (relating to art) also sets us free, even if only in our imagination.

I think Japan just embraces various fantasies much more readily ("only in Japan"). Clearly there also is a social punishment for deviation, but it seems that it's much more readily looked past so long as the person functions in society, i.e. has a job.

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>>13331154
I came for the lolis, I stayed for the lolis.

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>>13331154
What anime was it?

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>>13329428
Where is that pic of Remilia calling someone a filthy lolicon pig?

That shit gets me hard as fug.

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>>13329445
I mean it's just some jack off on blogspot, he's not even like notable?

[Anonymous No.]

>Take, for example, anime. Anime is those Japanese cartoons in which innocent looking school girls end up doing some less than innocent things.

He just took a huge medium and tried to paint it as a single thing. Just because said things might exist in the medium doesn't mean that all of it is that way. This guy shouldn't be taken seriously just for the sentence. When are people going to stop trying to "explain" things that are unexplainable acting like they understand the universe? Every one of us is fucking stupid including me. Just accept that some things get peoples' dicks hard and do something else.

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>>13331421
He's somewhat popular amongst neoreactionaries

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>>13330593
The similarities between the looks of a 2D girl and a real life one amount to the similarities between a real life girl and a monkey. Don't forget that a dolphin vagina is supposedly very similar to a human one, this obviously doesn't mean that just because you're attracted to human ones, you'll stick your dick into a dolphin's. Those drawn girls look more like aliens.

Obviously the "personality" of those drawings can't be found in real life either because shit in real life is a lot more complex and not at all full of cliches and wish thinking/otaku pandering.
Find me a girl that looks and acts exactly like a 2D loli. I'd probably give you everything I have, if you could.

Obviously there are a lot of people that use 2D as a substitute for 3D but that doesn't prove any strong connection between them. You can fap to 2D drawings just for the idea (and imagine 3D shit), you can fap just to the 2D looks ("loli is a body-type"), you can fap to both because you think the looks are attractive and because you love their ideal personalities.

Also there are a lot of people fapping to incest without feeling the need to jump at their mothers or sisters (if they even have the latter), there are a lot of people fapping to monster girls, torture (done to qt girls or ballcrushing), bestiality etc., doesn't mean they'd try to do the same shit in real life or that they even think of the same shit in RL as sexually attractive.

I think you shouldn't claim that others are in denial when at the same time you're denying yourself that people can have different reasons for masterbaiting, completely disregarding that fiction and reality are not the same thing and finally providing a "personal collection" of gelbooru comments thinking that they are representative for the mass and somehow prove that a most likely completely unrelated anon is in denial.

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>>13331421

you think the civil rights movement for the liberation of niggers had support among the entire general population?

most people thought the problems wouldn't reach them.

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>>13331826
>niggers
I agree with your post but please do not use words that will attract crossboarders! Thank you

[Anonymous No.]

I'm willing to bet a large chunk of modern "Christians" don't know what they believe and large chunk of atheists are atheistic because of christians. Nothings more unappealing then someone rabidly screaming about how you'll go to hell for this, that, or the other. Half the time these people spitting fire at gays and people who get abortions are regular drinkers and cheat on their spouse. Whatever happened to "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"?

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>>13331956
Thats nothing incomparison to my country that has shittons of born again muslims which are beyond your imagination.

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>>13331956

That's an American perspective.

Religious belief is a more personal thing in the rest of the developed world, rather than a societal thing. Unless it's Islam, which is a product of the developing world being dragged into societies.