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Anonymous Sat Mar 21 02:58:33 2015 No.13209654 [Reply] [Original]

Let's solve this puzzle once and for all /jp/!

What is the real connection between Maribel and Yukari!?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 03:09:57 2015 No.13209703 They kinda dress similar.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 03:23:04 2015 No.13209747 File: 165 KB, 830x670, 1e43d818380af2ef41e8a717771ff4e7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] the world may never know

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 03:25:33 2015 No.13209756 >>13209654 >once and for all i don't think you get how this works

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 03:28:47 2015 No.13209769

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Memorandum

Based on this memorandum and the side stories of the Hifuu club, I have gathered some points:

- Marry is actually a foreigner, and her name and Yuraki name is a reference to Lafcadio Hearn (whose japanese name is Koizumi Yakumo).

- Marry can astral project herself into different places and time (seeing how she can travel to current Gensokyo which is around our modern era, not her future).

I theorize that grown-up Marry with full control of her border power travels to the past, changes her name into Yukari then helps create Gensokyo based on the visions she got from her dreams.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 03:33:20 2015 No.13209784

It's simple. Mary is the bastard child of Yukari. She was born as a result of the frequent and excessive sexcapades that Yukari goes out on every night.

After Maribel was born, Yukari dropped her in the outside world in the care of a human family that decended from Lafcadio Hearn. Now that Mary has grown up, she will inevitably find Yukari and join her in fucking various males/sinsacks from multiple dimensions.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 03:34:14 2015 No.13209790 >>13209784 Sounds hot. Now we know what Yukari did each winter.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 03:39:28 2015 No.13209803 >>13209790 Yeah, circle Windart got it right with the "Shoujo Indaroku" series of doujins.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 03:49:32 2015 No.13209830 File: 180 KB, 950x950, 4c192c66af8d1361a106729217e510bb.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] does renko know her friend is a massive weirdo?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 03:50:34 2015 No.13209832 File: 851 KB, 949x1043, 49314835_p0.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 03:57:23 2015 No.13209841 >>13209830 Yeah, she knows Marry got scratched by a chimera man.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 04:05:20 2015 No.13209860 2 old hags trying to act young and cute www

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 04:15:39 2015 No.13209886

It's simple enough.

Mary is schizophrenic.

She gets confused about what's real and what's not. At times, she falls into a delusion that she's in a strange, mystical world of apparitions and mythological beings. The experiences are really vivid to her and she recounts them to her best friend, Renko.

Renko, on the other hand, has no clue about Mary's condition and just accepts her friend's claims. Even though there's no proof to back them up. She even starts to question Mary in Changeability of Strange Dream and concludes "[Gensokyo] is Mary's dream world".

So there you have it. Yukari is a fragmented portion of Mary's delusional psyche. She's who Mary becomes when the boundary between reality and delusion is shattered in her head: one of the most powerful and capable inhabitants in her dream world.

Maybe Ran is a reflection of Renko, for that matter.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 04:20:31 2015 No.13209900

>>13209886
> As counselor I have two means of helping her:
>
> First, throw the stuff away and convince that it was all a dream or an illusion.
> By doing this, there will not be a dream world within this reality a second time. Dream and reality are different things.
>
> And the other way is...
>
> Strongly convince her that she actually was in another world, and awaken her from the dream.
> That way, she wouldn’t die in that dream world without knowing the truth.
> But… if I did that, there is the possibility that she would not be able to return to this world.
>
> Which is the best for Merry? Which is the best choice in my opinion?
> ...Isn't it obvious?

See? Canon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 04:57:10 2015 No.13209985 >>13209886 >>13209900 yeah maybe that sort of interpretation was the case back in CiSD, before they fucking traveled to both the moon and Torifune, where Mary got physically wounded by a monster, you dolt

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 05:03:06 2015 No.13209994 There's actually no connection. It's just another master ruse story like the 8 Honest Men.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 05:12:56 2015 No.13210019 >>13209886 If you do read CoSD, you would know Marry brought back stuff from Gensokyo like the bamboo shoot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 05:18:06 2015 No.13210030 >>13209985 Mind over matter, numbnuts.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 05:31:13 2015 No.13210053
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>>13209654
Maribel is the dreamer who maintains the existence of Gensoukyou.

Inside her dream, Yukari is the one who maintains the existence of Maribel's world.

It's ZUN's version of the Roman pax deorum, where our belief in the gods maintains their belief in us.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 05:32:35 2015 No.13210057 >>13210053 Yo, sound like that secondary novel.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 05:46:34 2015 No.13210078 >>13210057 It's a bit of a fantasy cliche, actually. I have no idea why it's considered so much of a mystery. All that stuff in the Ghostly Field Club albums points towards Maribel being the one who is creating Gensoukoyou.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 05:52:34 2015 No.13210085 >>13210078 Correction, Gensokyo exists before the current Maribel is born.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 06:02:08 2015 No.13210105 >>13210085 Didn't stop her from leaving a note in the Bamboo Forest hundreds of years ago.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 06:04:37 2015 No.13210111

>>13210105
So you are supporting a theory like mine, which is time travel.

But if that's true, then there's no need for either sides to maintain shit, since Gensokyo would always exist via a paradox Maribel creates Gensokyo which creates Maribel's future world sort of thing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 06:14:23 2015 No.13210122 >>13210111 And what about the modern outside world where the Moriya comes from? Obviously Yukari/Marry can't dream all that shit up.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 06:49:53 2015 No.13210173 >>13210122 "real world" exists as normal, gensokyo as we know it exists as an idealised version of marry's "nightmares" because she travelled into the past and became yukari who manipulated gensokyo into the current state aka real world still exists

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 06:56:46 2015 No.13210182 >>13210173 Bah gawd, it makes sense now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 07:07:52 2015 No.13210192 File: 152 KB, 806x649, ss (2015-03-21 at 12.06.50).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Maribel is Yukari's cosplay persona (she likes pretending to be a foreigner).

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 07:17:12 2015 No.13210203 >>13210192 Thanks for the picture, mein friend.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 07:41:50 2015 No.13210246 >>13210203 The picture is mine. Fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 07:44:41 2015 No.13210254 >>13210246 No, it's mine, not yours

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 07:46:04 2015 No.13210257 >>13210246 I merely look at it to find the source.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 17:59:03 2015 No.13212140 >>13209654 are they related? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lafcadio_Hearn

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 18:28:56 2015 No.13212319

>>13209769
> Hi, I am reply # 4. Maribel + Yuraki == Lafcadio Hearn reference.

>>13212140
> I have something to say that I feel is very interesting. I don't bother to read the thread before posting it, I just really want to get what I have to say out there.

>> Me
> I'm quoting someone unknown. Questions will be asked to that effect.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 18:47:19 2015 No.13212390 >>13209654 They're both white?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 18:49:13 2015 No.13212395 >>13209654 Yukari borrowed a change of pantsu, and never returned it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 19:32:32 2015 No.13212543 >>13212319 Who are you greening asperger-kun?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 20:08:27 2015 No.13212665 >What is the real connection between Maribel and Yukari!? Yukari's penis

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 20:09:19 2015 No.13212666 File: 647 KB, 653x505, pure maiden.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13212665

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 21 21:21:59 2015 No.13212906 >>13212543 Why, >>13209769 and >>13212140 of course. It's written in his post. Do your best and try to keep up; you can do it anon! Yay anon!!

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 21:31:33 2015 No.13212939

>>13209769
Gensokyo is not in our modern era. Yukari has said in the manga that there is no more snow in the outside world. this means the environment has been destroyed by pollution in the near future, which explains why they are trying to grow plants in space stations.

Anonymous Sat Mar 21 23:22:11 2015 No.13213305

>>13212939
Do you have a source for this? I'm basically certain you've misunderstood. "No more snow" could mean many things, including "Winter ended", and picking out that it means the environment is gone and therefore future is a poor assumption. In any case, you seem to be ignoring the plethora of evidence that Gensokyo's time follows more or less exactly ours, and hanging onto one flimsy thread. For one, modern stuff is often referred to appropriately, including iPods, computers, the internet, the GB and the DS, cell phones, remote controls, the status of radio towers, the "power spot" craze in Japan, and so on. Historical events are also referred to precisely.

Maribel's time, however, is very blatantly set in the future and is explicit about the various changes to the environment in the future.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 02:14:19 2015 No.13213779 File: 427 KB, 823x1200, 1421709460782.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13213305 This is the scene I'm talking about

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 02:20:59 2015 No.13213783 >>13213779 It's a Cold War joke.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 02:23:13 2015 No.13213788 >>13213779 Well, most countries do have a fuckload of fake snow around Christmas time. Even in places that have reliable seasonal snow for display purposes. Plus you can't really take what Yukari says at face value to begin with.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 02:24:42 2015 No.13213791 >>13213788 It's clearly a Cold war joke. A nuclear winter is technically artificial.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 22 02:37:40 2015 No.13213825 >>13213779 ash

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