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Did anyone catch this story? It was on my homepage.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26639577/

>> No.1290361

Click for related content
Embracing Japanese pop culture
How to get your girlfriend into gaming
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>> No.1290373

it's been mainstream for years

>> No.1290381

Gurren Lagaan is about as "sexually-suggestive and explicit" as buttered toast.

>> No.1290390

>>1290381
Buttered toast is pretty damn suggestive.

>> No.1290399

>>When anime conventions started in the U.S. back in the mid-1990s, the main demographic was mostly Asian college-age male students, says 32-year-old otaku expert Lawrence Eng. “Now, at least 50 percent are female," he says.

^_^

>> No.1290419

“Among Japanese fans — the guys — it is a badge of honor to say, ‘We do not need real women; [these] figures are better, they do not talk back’” said Macias. “Americans are not there yet, but at the rate things are going, we are going to be seeing that.”

>> No.1290425

>>1290419
I wish they could talk back to me. ;_;

>> No.1290429

>>1290425
;___;

>> No.1290440

I'm surprised at the accuracy of this article. Most news articles about otaku culture are usually HURR KAWAII JAPANESE CARTOONS DURR

>> No.1290467

>>1290440

Seconded. I was expecting more of Cowboy Bebop at his computer.

>>Among Japanese fans - the guys - it is a badge of honor to say, 'We do not need real women; [these] figures are better, they do not talk back’” said Macias. “Americans are not there yet, but at the rate things are going, we are going to be seeing that.

We're already there. /jp/ is just the beginning, soon everyone will be like us.

>> No.1290480

>>1290467
fuck yeah!

soon my dream of being like everyone else will come true

>> No.1290534

>>1290440
>Because some of the edgier elements such as “Lolicon” (or Lolicom, a combination of “Lolita” and “comic”)
>Lolicom, a combination of “Lolita” and “comic”
>Lolicom

>> No.1290555

For example, on a Lolicon chat board recently, someone posted a Japanese DVD cover showing real schoolgirls, around 8 years old, dressed in uniforms, showing their panties, smiling, giggling. The community was outraged and urged harsh punishment for the makers of the DVD, arguing that there is a vast and important difference between “2-D” and “3-D.”

lol

>> No.1290557
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>>1290534
>Lolicom

>> No.1290564

>American fans may not go that far — at U.S. conventions, for example, otaku men and women socialize, date and sometimes actually fall in love, unlike their loner Japanese counterparts.

Shit makes me rage so hard.

>> No.1290567

Surprisingly did not rage

>> No.1290570

>But sexually-suggestive and explicit anime like "Gurren Lagann" and "Legend of the Overfiend,"
>"Gurren Lagann"

If you think drills and giant robots are erotic, you are clearly a mechanophile. Next.

>> No.1290571

Loli = little girls

Lolicon = person who likes loli

also, sage for mainstream news

>> No.1290575

>>1290557
>Lolicom
>Corm
>Lolicorm

>> No.1290579

>>1290575
wow you're quick

>> No.1290580

>>“When you see a kid sitting in Borders reading a manga, he’s not just reading a comic book,” Macias said. “There is something really powerful going on there.”
I'm sure...

>> No.1290589

I see nothing wrong with these articles

Anonymous attacking these are just another sign of the pack mentality and the need to "belong" to something

>> No.1290593

>>1290589
Are you a woman? I'm edging towards that conclusion myself.

>> No.1290602
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1290602

>“Lolicon” (or Lolicom, a combination of “Lolita” and “comic”

>> No.1290604

>>1290589
>Anonymous attacking these are just another sign of the antisocial mentality and the need to "belong" to be unique
fix'd

>> No.1290603

>sexually-suggestive and explicit anime like "Gurren Lagann"

Excuse me?
Sure Yoko is a fan service character, but GL is about as hardcore as my moms all-bean chilli.

>> No.1290611

a mainstream news report is wrong?

HOLY SHIT WHAT A REVELATION!

>> No.1290622

>>1290564

It's true, though.

The only lonely ones are the Japanese okaku and people of /jp/, since we have forsaken 3-D women. Don't worry, though. Soon everyone will be just like us.

>> No.1290625

>>1290603
see
>>1290381
>>1290390

Its level of sexually suggestive and explicit content is only equal to what you give it. some people look at your moms chili and see chili. others look at it and see... well you get the picture.

>> No.1290626

>>1290564

It's true, though.

The only lonely ones are the Japanese otaku and people of /jp/, since we have forsaken 3-D women. Don't worry, though. Soon everyone will be just like us.

Polite sage.

>> No.1290635

>>1290603

Gurren Lagann had tons of phallic imagery.
It leads me to believe that Gainax employs homosexuals.

>> No.1290643

first episode: 14 year old Yoko

if you didn't rub one out in under 10 seconds, you're a faggot.

>> No.1290649

>>1290626
Have you ever seen most of these normalfag fans? They don't know any characters beyond a few generic video game characters and some naruto/bleach shit, that's why you see them cosplaying said generic characters all the time.

I'd say about 80% of male fans are like this and 97% of female fans. The 3 remaining percent of females who know good stuff know it because they followed our lead (like when Kaiji got big on /a/).

>> No.1290658

>>1290611
Holy penis, what a scoop?

>> No.1290665

>Anime erotic subculture goes mainstream
>More Americans drawn to the 'moral-free zone' of cute, sexual comics

What the fuck
What shitty reporting
I never read american news reports, they suck

>> No.1290676

>>1290625
See what?
What could people possibly see besides five founds of beans boiling in one cup of water? (as she seems to think chilli means "add as many beans as possible")
Seeing anything else just means you have problems.

Anyone can make anything suggestive if you go far enough out of your way to do so, but if you have to then it's not suggestive in the first place, as is the tendency of things that are "suggestive".

>> No.1290684

>>1290643
Too busy distracted by Kamina's manliness and Simon being a Shinji clone.

>> No.1290688

>>1290684
just admit it, you're a faggot

>> No.1290697

>>1290676
...pretty sure that was a joke

>> No.1290714
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>“When you see a kid sitting in Borders reading a manga, he’s not just reading a comic book,” Macias said. “There is something really powerful going on there.”

>“When you see a kid sitting in Borders reading a manga, he’s not just reading a comic book,”

manga, he’s not just reading a comic book,” Macias said. “There is something really powerful going on there.”

>manga ... not just ... a comic book

>> No.1290715

>“Lolicon” (or Lolicom, a combination of “Lolita” and “comic”
I almost clicked that link, too.

>> No.1290716

>For example, on a Lolicon chat board recently, someone posted a Japanese DVD cover showing real schoolgirls, around 8 years old, dressed in uniforms, showing their panties, smiling, giggling. The community was outraged and urged harsh punishment for the makers of the DVD, arguing that there is a vast and important difference between “2-D” and “3-D.”

Hey guys, they're talking about us!

>> No.1290730

>>1290716
The funny thing is they really could be...

Although, a lot of /jp/ers love 3d loli too. And there'd be tons of U15 threads if the mods didn't ban for them.

>> No.1290739
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1290739

I hate our media.

>> No.1290744

Accurate article is accurate.

"lol rage+sage" posters are simply following blind rote.

>> No.1290747

>>1290744

Whoever said the article wasn't accurate?

It's just potraying normalfaggotry as a positive side to this in comparison to the solitary nature of the Japanese otaku that pisses people off.

>> No.1290749

haha you guys can rage all you want. I was honestly surprised and found it quite humorous how accurate this was. Except for Gurren Lagann being sexually explicit and the use of "lolicom"

>> No.1290753

Sageru

>> No.1290763

>>1290749
This.

Also, I laughed pretty hard at the lolicon 2-D is different than 3-D thing. I like them both.

>> No.1290765

I'll show this to my mom, maybe she'll finally understand.

>> No.1290772

The reporter probably thought that that 2D x 3D thing was a display of some kind of morality. Poor innocent boy...

>> No.1290781

>>1290765
You don't hide your powerlevel in front of your family? Really?

>> No.1290780
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>>1290716
I was thinking the same thing. /jp/ is the only place where I've seen differences in "lolicon" and pedophilia being discussed in terms of "3-D" and "2-D".

>> No.1290787

>>1290765
Are you one of the ones with friends?
If you are, you don't need this article. If you aren't, this article wouldn't be an accurate picture.

>> No.1290789

>>1290780
/jp/ took it from Japanese nerds. Other English speaking communities surely pilfer from the same sources.

>> No.1290797

>>1290716
That probably are, Jesus christ.

>> No.1290805

Son of a bitch, my mother found this article.

I've been getting weird looks ever since.

>> No.1290823

>>1290805
At least she thinks you're only into the 2d lolis, so you should be alright for now.

>> No.1290826

If we're the board they're talking about, does that mean we're a lolicon board?

>> No.1290842

MSNBC is such a piece of trash, no one cares for that shit anymore, they are as much unreliable than the Japanese media trying to portray people who like anime as crazy psychos who go and stab people, they should all fuck off

>> No.1290847

>>1290826
Lolicon discussion is always /jp/ related.

>> No.1290852

>>1290826
It's not like they reporters need to cite their sources. To tell you the truch, I wouldn't doubt if it was us. I'm pretty sure I remember seeing a dvd case similar to the one described there. Also, /jp/ wasn't always into 3d loli, or at least most wouldn't admit they were. I guess we just stopped caring about hiding it.

>> No.1290856

>>1290842
>Japanese media trying to portray people who like anime as crazy psychos who go and stab people

Hahahaha, did they really? Anime fans have to be some of the most boring and calm people alive.

>> No.1290860

This article is causing delicious normalfag tears on various animu blogs.

>> No.1290869

What a fucking retard. He gets so many facts wrong and quotes some random quacks to prove his point. What do I expect from a reporter who runs a trashy sex column?

His other quality articles: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3035461/

>> No.1290874

>>1290847
It's as I say, "There's nothing more distinctly Japanese than pedophilia."

>> No.1290878

>>1290852
Really, the 3D loli trend on /jp/ has only been going on for the past couple weeks. I suspect that some 3D pedos have taken refuge here knowing we like lolicon. If this is the case, we should watch out.

>> No.1290880

>>1290860
Is it really? I love their uphill battle to prove all anime fans are well adjusted people with girlfriends/boyfriends, as if that in itself means somebody is worth more. Same shit that happened to video games basically. Oh, and it's usually girls who are promoting that view I've noticed.

>> No.1290882

>>1290860
links? quotes?
I don't regularly visit those.
But I would read these tears.

>> No.1290888

>>1290878
lol wut

Junior Idol threads? They were there in the beginning.

>> No.1290889

>>1290878
Do we really need to watch out? CP is the only things mods take seriously. Even though they aren't any mods on /jp/, they get called in to handle that.

>> No.1290890

>>1290856
They bring out some stereotype based on a couple of real life incidents and use those to claim that anime fans are bad and will snap and freak out when you do not notice it, why do you think there was that time when Higurashi...Kai and School Days final episode got postponed for a while, and every anime afterwards that had blood is colored BLACK instead of red, what the fuck is that bullshit retardedness?

>>1290869
Like I said, NO one cares what the fuck MSNBC is, because they all are pure trash that put out nothing but false lies, their whole existence makes all journalism look rotten to the core

>> No.1290892

>>1290882
http://otaben.blogspot.com/2008/09/sexploration-really.html

>There is a subclass of the anime genre that is reshaping a subclass of western thinking. Am I denying that there is blatant sexual material in some anime? No. That's ridiculous. But your article paints an image of anime being nothing but sexual material that is somehow creeping into America and changing everyone. It is a disservice to those of us who enjoy anime that is fun, thoughtful, and (surprisingly) not porn.

>> No.1290900
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>>1290889
>CP is the only things mods take seriously.

Oh really? Fucking mods.

>> No.1290895

>>1290856
Yeah, when they're not going on killing sprees, or chopping girls up.

>> No.1290896

>>1290869
This is one of the most accurate articles I've seen on Japanese otaku culture in the mainstream media. Seriously, what's your problem? Do you prefer to be seen as a normal "Japanese cartoon enthusiast"? If so, then fuck off.

>> No.1290901

>>1290889
I just don't want /jp/ turning into /cp/. Sure I love lolis, but I don't want this board being shut down.

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>>1290878
Yeah, because junior idols were not posted constantly right after the split.

>> No.1290913

>>1290890
>>Like I said, NO one cares what the fuck MSNBC is, because they all are pure trash that put out nothing but false lies, their whole existence makes all journalism look rotten to the core

It's all the same shit. Who do you prefer? CNN? Fox? NBC?

Really, the only respectable journalism I ever see anymore comes from the New York Times, and even they fuck things up just to fulfill stupid narratives.

>> No.1290916

I sure do wish I could buy things like MOECCO magazine in America...

>> No.1290915
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>>1290900
lol

>> No.1290920

>>1290901
>Sure I'm a pathetic loner who find console in children, due to being inadequate to fill an adult woman's needs.

>> No.1290922

Wait, but I thought mods overlooked porn that spoiler'd.

>> No.1290923

>>1290920

You've gotta be a troll. Nobody would call themselves 'anonymiss' unless they were a troll.

Also, I think I've spotted you posting anonymously before. You see, I am quite adept at spotting female posters.

>> No.1290924

>>1290920
7/10

>> No.1290926

>>1290913

>>respectable journalism
>>New York Times
>>respectable

lol

>> No.1290927

>>1290920
>being inadequate to fill an adult woman's needs
8 inch cock made of chocolate, cums money, etc.

>> No.1290928

>>1290920
/jp/ - pathetic loners who find console in children, due to being inadequate to fill an adult woman's needs/Touhou.

>> No.1290930

>>1290920
I found a PSP in this 8 year old's stomach.

>> No.1290931

>>1290910
Posting of junior idols and/or child models will get you banned. Don't do it; it's not allowed, you pedo creeps.

(I probably screwed it up, don't have a screencap of the sticky)

>> No.1290934

>>1290927
> A decent job, and education, social skills etc

Too hard for you, eh?

>> No.1290935

>>1290931
I remember that sticky. Fucking mods.

We should make something like plus4chan's /co/ and /n/.

>> No.1290939

>>1290922
If you're referring to >>1290915,
I actually didn't do either of those things. I was either banned accidentally or I offended a mod and they made up some shit reason to ban me.

>> No.1290943

>>1290931
They were everywhere for the first two weeks or so of /jp/. /jp/ has always had a thing for 3d.

>> No.1290945

>>1290913
They all suck, but if you are asking me to put all of them up head to head to head, Fox is slightly, only slightly better than all of them

>> No.1290947

>>1290934
An education that gives you a chocolate penis that ejaculates money? College where?

>> No.1290949

>>1290934
A lot of people here have those things. It's really besides the point though, you could be rich and have got a bsc, msc and phd from harvard but unless you have this mythical 'confidence' women speak about (basically the ability to absorb all their responsibilities) you won't get a girlfriend.

>> No.1290952

>>1290949
Self-conscious people are boring, this includes females too. Why would someone date a guy who pities himselFf?

>> No.1290955

>>1290945
>Faux news
>better

0/10

>> No.1290959

>>1290901

It won't, /a/ is obviously moot's favorite board, and he doesn't like /jp/ shit in it.

>> No.1290963

>>1290952
>boring

Exactly, you want a man to invent your entertainment for you because you lack either the willpower or the originality to do it yourself.

I mean, that's what confidence really boils down to at the end of the day, an ability to absorb the responsibilities of a woman.

>> No.1290967

>>1290952
>this includes females too

No, not really. I'd rather have a self-conscious girl than some extrovert drunkard.

>> No.1290960

>>1290952
Reported for trolling.

>> No.1290971

>>1290935
Naw, just keep that shit on usenet.

>> No.1290976

>>1290935
I would love a "u15chan"

>> No.1291011

>>1290955
I said slightly, you incopetent faggot...

"Fuck this!! We're doing it live!!!"

>> No.1291019

>>1290976
Even if started with the noble intention of only showing completely clothed preteen girls in sexually charged poses, no force on Earth could keep it from getting swamped with actual child pornography and thus marked for deletion by the FBI.

>> No.1291026

>>1291019
12chan is still alive

>> No.1291027

>>1291019
>no force on Earth

not even competent moderation? I mean, look at akiba-online, they're fine.

>> No.1291031

>>1290878
Like everyone else said, we were posting junior idols on /jp/ when it was new. It only stopped when mods decided we couldn't do it.

Really there's nothing wrong with fully-clothed Japanese girls on a board about Japan, but I'm sure you know MODS = FAGS and all. People even got b& for posting BEFORE the announcement was made, if their post was still on the board, as in >>1290900.

>> No.1291039

It's ok to post U15 as long as you do it while having an intellectual and civil theological discussion.

>> No.1291045
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1291045

Did someone say Jr Idols?

>> No.1291049

>>1291045
Small apple is small

>> No.1291052

Anyone have that pic with the eurofag and the pillow with the girl of it and the hot loli in the background? I think it was in a bar.

>> No.1291055

>>1291045
more

>> No.1291058
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1291058

cause I think I heard someone say Jr idols

>> No.1291059

>>1291052
No, it's on my other comp...

>> No.1291061

By SHINO YUASA, Associated Press Writer Thu Aug 21, 5:23 PM ET

TOKYO - A 61-year-old Japanese woman gave birth to her own grandchild, using an egg donated by her daughter, a clinic said Thursday.

Surrogate births are extremely rare in Japan and banned by industry groups, but they are not illegal. The Suwa Maternity Clinic in Nagano, northwest of Tokyo, refused to provide information such as the date of the birth or gender of the baby. News reports said the baby was born last year.

The clinic said it performed the procedure because the woman's daughter has no uterus, but didn't give details on why she had that condition. The surrogate mother used a fertilized egg donated by her daughter.

"Both surrogate mother and baby were fine," said Chihiro Netsu, a spokeswoman for the clinic.

Dr. Yahiro Netsu, who runs the clinic, has long defied national opposition to such procedures, arguing that they should be an option for woman who are infertile.

>> No.1291062

>>1291058
I didn't know shimapan came in pink...I thought they were always blue!

>> No.1291064

>>1291058
What a cute little girl.

>> No.1291067

>>1291058
If we spend any more time on junior idols, we'll be bankrupt by the end of the month. Also her face is freaky.

>> No.1291066

In 2001, he performed what is thought to be the country's first successful surrogate birth. In 1998, Netsu was expelled from Japan's gynecology association for performing in-vitro fertilizations with eggs and sperm of donors who were not married to each other, though he was later reinstated.

The spokeswoman said the 61-year-old woman was believed to be the oldest surrogate mother in Japan, and news reports said she was the oldest woman to have given birth overall.

The Japanese Health Ministry does not release precise statistics on mothers' ages, saying only that there were two births to women aged 55 or older in 2006, the latest year that figures were available for.

Mainichi newspaper reported that the previous oldest mothers in Japan were two 60-year-old women implanted with their own fertilized eggs in the United States.

Japan Society of Obstetrics and Gynecology, a powerful body with over 15,000 members, has banned such procedures, but they are not illegal and individual clinics are free to perform them — though few actually do.

At Suwa Maternity Clinic, eight surrogate mothers have given birth. Of them, four women have delivered babies using fertilized eggs from their daughters.

The clinic will report the latest case at a conference of the Japan Society of Fertilization and Implantation later this month. It was the first time the fertilization conference had taken up the subject of surrogate births, Netsu said.

>> No.1291089

>"But sexually-suggestive and explicit anime like "Gurren Lagann" and "Legend of the Overfiend,"
Ahaha is this some elaborate MSNBC trolling?

>> No.1291092

>>1291089
read the thread

>> No.1291093

>>1291089
Gurren Lagann is sexually suggestive and Overfiend is sexually explicit.

>> No.1291105

>“Among Japanese fans — the guys — it is a badge of honor to say, ‘We do not need real women; [these] figures are better, they do not talk back’” said Macias. “Americans are not there yet

This guy says we don't exist whats the deal?

>> No.1291106

>>1291061 The clinic said it performed the procedure because the woman's daughter has no uterus, but didn't give details on why she had that condition.
Fill in the details, /jp/.

>> No.1291118

>>1291105
Americans in general, he means. Of course there are some early adopters.

>> No.1291140

>>1291106
Too many abortions destroyed her uterus. Grandma did her part to help the Japanese birth rate and had her own grandchild. Egg was fertilized by the grandfather.

>> No.1291144

>>1291105
>it is a badge of honor to say
It's not a badge of honor here, because we're all the same.

>> No.1291583

Bump for hilarious and somewhat accurate description of your average /jp/sie

>> No.1292681

It's like he got his entire opinion about the animu community from /a/ and /jp/, and then decided to spice it up with a little bit of trolling.

LOLI + COMICS = LOLICOM

10/10

>> No.1292744

age

>> No.1292810

In the /a/ thread about this people ended up describing to eachother what otakus were and how "otaku" came from お宅 and what lolicon meant. Needless to say I had to leave.

Makes me kind of wish /jp/ was under less moderation to talk about the stuff /a/ is failing so horribly at.

>> No.1292819

>>1292681
That is a pretty common pun, after all. Lolita complex/Lolita comics.

>> No.1293095

ahaha oh wow.

>> No.1293103

>>1292819
I don't think so, Tim.

>> No.1293429

tl;dr, the writer of the msnbc article in the OP was a butthurt Anonymous trolling out of spite.

That same Anonymous is in this thread. Prove me wrong.

>> No.1293499

The article started out shitty, then it got okay, then it got shitty again.

More or less >>1291583

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>>1292819
I find it highly suspect that not only does he use the term "Lolita-complex a few paragraphs after declaring that lolita+comics=lolicom, but the entire section is titled "Lolita-complex culture"

>> No.1293943

What every other culture invents, you faggots ruin it. You should feel very bad about yourselves. Shame on you.

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