We can't let the GUST die!

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GUST Thread Sun Oct 12 23:50:36 2014 No.12585334 [Reply] [Original]

We can't let the GUST die!

GUST Thread Sun Oct 12 23:51:12 2014 No.12585336

Ar Tonelico For Lazy People Pack™:
http://www.mediafire.com/?5e2ttnrjtim3n4i

Contains torrents for the games along with the emulator installer and bios. Plugins are automatically included. Thanks to Anonymous for this.

Note: Newer emulator downloads than what is in the lazy pack can be found here: http://pcsx2.net/downloads.php
Note2: If you encounter sprite glitches, try a Version >= r5101 from http://pcsx2.net/svn.php

AT2 Raki bug patch - http://www.mediafire.com/?bp8ydy03ml7r5xa
You shouldn't need this if you're using a new version (0.9.7+) of PCSX2. Thanks to anonymous for uploading this!

Latest Technical Data Compilation Room Issue:
http://artonelico.isisview.org/wiki/index.php/Ar_Portal_translation/Ar_Ciel_Technical_Data_Compilati
on_Room/Issue_14

Latest Toukousphere Translation can be found on the top of this page:
http://artonelico.isisview.org/wiki/index.php/Ar_Portal_translation/Toukousphere
April Fools TKS:
http://www.mediafire.com/?avpff50jo843a52

AT Visual Book:
http://www.udonentertainment.com/blog/udon/ar-tonelico-visual-book-in-stores-now/
Atelier Official Chronicle:
http://www.udonentertainment.com/blog/udon/books/atelier/

AT2 Flash Cosmosphere:
http://ar-ciel.org/uploads/miz/tks/2avs/
Offline Version:
http://www.mediafire.com/?hpr7840pbe1wf7d

GUST Thread Sun Oct 12 23:52:22 2014 No.12585342

Lossless albums:
Ar tonelico Music Collection Torrent: http://www.bakabt.com/153236-ar-tonelico-music-collection.html
All tracks are encoded in FLAC format and include scans of covers and booklets. Torrent does not include AT3's Drama and Hymmnos Musical discs.

Alternative set of torrents:
AT3 - OST: http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=112183
AT3 - Hymmnos albums: http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=111040

CADENA ~Atelier Series Jazz Arrange Album Featuring Mami Horie Vol.1~
http://www.sonixgvn.net/2011/06/cadena-atelier-series-jazz-arrange.html

Istoria~Kalliope, Akiko Shikata's latest album:
http://www.mediafire.com/?683lw3wgor7aaou
http://www.mediafire.com/?avz1a3afvjo6xzf
http://www.mediafire.com/?c55pz0qs0wh0i3x

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Mediafire Folder of Ar tonelico / Atelier goodies:
http://www.mediafire.com/?rddbnsio6dayi

Contents:
- AT1-3 OST, Hymmnos Concerts
- AT1-2 Drama CDs, Hymmnos Musicals
- Utau Oka ~Ar=Ciel Ar=Dor~ (Album)
- AT3 Artbook
- Offline AT2 Flash Cosmospheres
- AT3 Yokkora fan disc
- original /jp/ stuff

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 12 23:52:25 2014 No.12585343 Which game is best to start with?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 12 23:55:15 2014 No.12585352 >>12585343 In what series?

Anonymous Sun Oct 12 23:55:43 2014 No.12585353

>>12585343
It depends what series you're talking about. If you are referring to the Atelier games I'd say Totori is probably the best place to start, followed by Meruru and New Rorona. For Ar Tonelico start with AT1. The surge games are in the same world as AT, but if you play them separately for the love of God start with Ciel. Also Mana Khemia is great and under appreciated.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 13 00:08:04 2014 No.12585390 File: 543 KB, 595x842, AtelierTotori.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I bought an used Vita and I already have Totori Plus with the DLC. It's my first Atelier and Gust game. Wish me luck!

>>	RHK Mon Oct 13 00:09:28 2014 No.12585398 >>12585390 I think you'll like Totori quite a bit. It's a great game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 13 00:19:31 2014 No.12585430 is there a part 3 for infel flash cosmosphere? it said to be continued so is there a continuation?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 13 03:43:33 2014 No.12586001 >>12585353 If you can't play Ciel Nosurge, the bare minimum you'll need to enjoy Ar Nosurge is to read the fan summaries: http://www.unit03.net/view/Ciel_nosurge/Summary

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 13 03:45:06 2014 No.12586007 http://www.siliconera.com/2014/10/12/ar-nosurge-requires-real-dedication-want-get-anything/ Personally I think this arcticle is pretty accurate, what's your opinion?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 13 04:14:16 2014 No.12586052 >>12586007 It's okay, but doesn't really go into detail on how to enjoy Ar nosurge 1) Read the fan summaries 2) Switch to Jap audio if you want more voice acting 3) Set difficulty to Vetern if you don't want everything to be a cakewalk

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 13 04:50:07 2014 No.12586090 Finally reached Phase 2 in Ar Tonelico the first. Which one, one... Which one do I pick?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 13 04:54:13 2014 No.12586098 >>12586090 What does your heart tell you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 13 04:55:33 2014 No.12586100 >>12586090 Doesn't matter, you'll dump those two losers in favor of the third option anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 13 05:36:56 2014 No.12586184 >>12586090 Aurica, her character development is nice, and it makes a certain part in Phase 3 less dickish

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 13 05:47:26 2014 No.12586205 >>12586184 >>12586090 Correct me if I'm wrong but not picking Misha means you are stuffing her back inside to sing chronicle key right? Pick the less dickish option, you'll go for the third reyvateil anyway

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 13 05:57:09 2014 No.12586218 >>12586184 >>12586205 I don't remember perfectly, but from what I do remember, either one felt like I was being really mean to the other. I ended up going with Misha though because I liked her better, and I didn't regret it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 13 05:59:19 2014 No.12586221 >>12586205 It happens either way, but at least if you pick Aurica, he and Misha haven't made any big reconnections which makes him temporarily throwing her into the room again look really really bad Also >supporting 3rd Reyvateil's NTR bullshit

Anonymous Mon Oct 13 07:15:04 2014 No.12586359
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>>12586007
> That’s not to say the acting you do hear isn’t great, as Cristina Vee gives a lively performance as Ion

>>12586221
Let's be real here, all the endings in the first game sucked. They were so completely bare that they weren't satisfying at all, even putting aside how 3rd's go.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 13 08:08:10 2014 No.12586427 >>12586359 The Phase 2 ends were alright, then again AT2 to 3 go on to reveal that they were horribly bad outcomes for everyone

Anonymous Mon Oct 13 10:20:16 2014 No.12586584

>>12586427
Does any in-game material actually explain the consequences of the shutdown at the end of Phase 2 in AT1 for the second tower? Or is this only detailed in the books and Tokosphere? (Or is it pure fanon?)

And Dr. Loudness bringing the Heart of the Land back to Sol Cluster without Mir might make for an interesting fanfic, but we also need Sasha to work out the details on the power relay.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 13 10:41:12 2014 No.12586607 Let me butt into this thread to state that choosing any other route than Misha's in AT1 is a sign of very bad taste.

Anonymous Mon Oct 13 10:46:12 2014 No.12586611

>>12585390
Just don't expect the other Atelier (at least Arland) games to be as good as Totori. They're still good, just not so good that you'll be playing all day every day.

A question to the rest of the thread: How do the non-Arland Atelier games stack up to the Arland games? I absolutely loved Totori (original), played it all day until I finished it, then restarted immediately and played it all day again until I finished it again. Then I played Meruru (original) and while I did play it a lot, it didn't feel quite as addicting as Totori, and after finishing it once I'd had enough. Now I'm playing Rorona (plus) and it just feels less interesting than the others; I go for a significant time without playing, and then when I play I only play for a short while.

Will I like Atelier Ayesha (and/or its plus version when it's released) as much as Totori or at least Meruru, or am I just going to play for a bit and then barely pick it up anymore, like Rorona? Are the pre-Arland titles worth trying for me?

Anonymous Mon Oct 13 10:50:44 2014 No.12586613

>>12586611
Ah, while I'm asking obnoxious newbie questions, how's the combat balance in the other Atelier games? In Meruru and Rorona I felt that combat in random encounters simply didn't matter because enemies never dealt any significant damage (often just 1 damage even if it takes several hits to defeat them), and in boss battles they stopped mattering after a certain point because unless they could insta-kill a character you could just have them back at 100% before the enemy can attack again (and at a later point, even killing the character did nothing unless it was a complete party wipe). I loved the post-Totori battle system with the time cards, but it was such a waste that the battles themselves don't require any significant strategy whatsoever. Considering Rorona Plus is a 2014 title, does this mean this issue exists in all post-Totori Atelier games? How about pre-Arland games?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 13 11:33:12 2014 No.12586685 >>12586607 this guy knows whats up. same with finnel in AT3. at least AT2 had two good female leads between cloche and jacqli. fuck luca

Anonymous Mon Oct 13 11:40:25 2014 No.12586691

Ar nosurge and the idea of chaining got me thinking; if there is another entry in the series, will we be able to dive into the hero's cosmosphere/genometrics/whatever ?

Some of them like Croix and Delta goes through some serious shit in their games and it would be interesting to dive into a guy's head (not counting Shirotaka) for once.

On the other hand, idiots like Lyner and Aoto would probably be empty space. Please for the love of god, don't give us another hot-headed idiot protagonist next time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 13 12:14:28 2014 No.12586732 >>12586691 Bah, Croix was bland as hell, and was only good for being a trophy for the real protagonists of the story or not even that if he went with second best reyvateil, at least Lyner matured and changed through his adventure

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 13 12:14:59 2014 No.12586733 >>12586685 Watch out, or she'll fuck you instead!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 13 12:15:16 2014 No.12586734 >>12586691 I would argue that Delta was a hot-headed idiot protagonist in Ar nosurge. He did go through some shit in Ciel nosurge and Ar nosurge but overall he tends to get angry a lot, be the butt of many people's jokes, and he can't cook for shit.

Anonymous Mon Oct 13 12:31:22 2014 No.12586757

>>12586691
Croix is dense as hell but i guess it would be best for some sexual innuendos apart from the synthesis parts while lyner really matured from his travels but i wont still deny that he is also a dense motherfucker like croix with an added bonus as an otaku for funbuns.....maybe?

And there's Aoto which embodies Croix dumb nature and Lyner stupid logics that sometimes works wonders.....if only Cocona wasn't there that guy would be....i dunno

Anonymous Mon Oct 13 12:37:01 2014 No.12586770

>>12586732
>>12586757

Dude knows how to put the crazy in their place and straight up dumps Luca in her bloody route, how many protagonist has done that?
He's probably the only sane man in the party (other than Cocona) of broken people and traitorous dogs.
Though he did get sidelined until he gets it on with best reyvateil.

>>12586734
I agree that Delta was a hot-headed idiot but he did have the advantage of having been in a relationship for close to a decade. Plus the Interdim mindraping him made for interesting influence on Casty. It's alot better than having all the heroines hungering for some blockhead's D.

Anonymous Mon Oct 13 13:05:37 2014 No.12586836

>>12586770
Well Luca is a sadistic bitch anyway. Like she said in her own cosmosphere

>We attack with smiles in your face

Good thing Croix has some little sense but still rooting for Mir route as a canon

As for Ar nosurge....at some point i kinda hate Ion idealistic nature but since i'm just starting on phase 2 so i dunno....i also started reading the ciel no surge offline which is good for some reason but i dunno i just finished Chapter 2

>Neptool is a manipulative son of a bitch
>Ion is an airheaded fool
>If only Kanon is not like Cloche but for some reasons she really resemble a Cloche-like attitude

Ciel no surge really makes me remember the 2 maidens relationship in AT2 except that there is no good ending and also

>i only realized Turbaa means Delta

Anonymous Mon Oct 13 13:27:21 2014 No.12586890

>>12586836
Continue playing and diving into her genometrics really does change how you view Ion. This starts with Nelico's genometrics and continues from there at which point her development becomes a tour de force. I won't spoil anything but there are sides to Ion that you wouldn't expect out of her and you will likely feel differently about her.

She is idealistic but there are reasons for that. Yes, she starts as seemingly naive especially in Ciel but as you play and especially in her genometrics she has gotten over that and replaced it with something else.

Anonymous Mon Oct 13 13:31:26 2014 No.12586903

Im going to post this again since there is no one who didnt answer my question last thread

How does Cloche and Luca sing a song magic that has METHOD.\ part like the infel pira red magic?

Also if i pair Both luca and Mir which both of them are exec means that they have the best and powerful song magic since they have both have EXEC.\ program whereas Cloche is only weak when there is no IPD or only outside the range of infel pira and if there is replakia is only act as an amplifier that depends on how many ipd multipliers to make a powerful and devestating song?

Anonymous Mon Oct 13 13:35:33 2014 No.12586916

>>12586890
yes i do dive in her geometrics but as of now i only accomplished

>Nelico Level 1
>Kanon
Kanon geometrics really is a surprise for me and yes it does really surprise me but the Chunpi song reminds me of Pepen song in AT2
>Only Finished the level 1 dive on Ion and just got the permission to dive into Nay

Also got any tips on how to easily get more DP since i dont really get the mechanics but the most i dont get is the guarding ones.

Anonymous Mon Oct 13 14:13:44 2014 No.12587022

>>12586916
>Also got any tips on how to easily get more DP since i dont really get the mechanics but the most i dont get is the guarding ones.
Defeating all waves during a single encounter yields ~1900-2100 DP at the beginning of phase 2. I don't think you need any special approach. I just build up Burst until it's strong enough to kill remaining waves and release the song. If your team is too weak to reliably break enemies (which shouldn't happen), craft better cathodes and equip better crystals.

Anonymous Mon Oct 13 15:04:00 2014 No.12587174
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1) I'm still looking for a "talk topic guide" for Ar nosurge, maybe here someone can help me?

2) >>12586691
>if there is another entry in the series

I haven't finished the game yet, but what do you guys honestly think, how likely is a continuation of the franchise?

3) Just a random thought of mine:

Ar nosurge is in someway connected to Earth
Ar tonelico takes place in the same universe as Ar nosurge
Therefore: Ar tonelico is connected to Earth~

I'd like to see a new game were those connections play a role... again:

People who're able to wield song magic visit Ion's home world~ or something like that.

Anonymous Mon Oct 13 15:15:48 2014 No.12587200

>>12587174
But would EXA_PICO science apply to real world science? The 7D stuff applies, obviously, but I'm assuming wave theory doesn't work on "Earth" like it does in EXA_PICO.
That being said, I would like to see more connections between Earth and their universe in future games. I thought that Ar nosurge had a mostly solid ending with only a few loose ends though, so I personally feel like a game in the EXA_PICO universe is more likely than a continuation of the Surge Concerto.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 13 15:20:06 2014 No.12587210 >>12586613 Rorona Plus was mostly easy as piss all the way up until the end of the main story, and then the post-game was absolutely insane. I'm sure you'll find it more enjoyable towards the end.

Anonymous Mon Oct 13 16:07:39 2014 No.12587360
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FYI, the character popularity results for Ar nosurge:

1) Ion (Ciel nosurge version)
2) Ion (Ar nosurge version)
3) Nero
4) Earthes
5) Sarly
6) Shurelia
7) Casty

http://social.gust.co.jp/pc/event/surge/finalvote

Can't believe Kanon didn't make the top 7

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 13 16:13:59 2014 No.12587382 >>12587360 8) Kanon (Ciel) 9) Nay (Ar) 10) Renall (Ar) 11) Kanon (Ar) She was fairly close though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 13 16:40:43 2014 No.12587457 File: 282 KB, 862x740, chara_img13.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12587360 >>12587382 Nelico not even listed, Japan I'm disappointed.

Anonymous Mon Oct 13 21:56:47 2014 No.12588440

>>12587174
you want to get all talk topics?

In fact i really have a hard time doing that but most of the talk topic i got is

>When doing a synthesis
>Side Stories
>Side Quest
>Literally Checking all over map

And the rest are like from the storyline

And>>12587200
For me its more of a wave science and technological aspects rather than a planet itself but really similar to the Metafalica.....although this game has too many similarities i really cant say that ar_nosurge is an exact copy of AT2

>>12587360
>>12587382
So no Nelico? wth JAPAN!!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 14 00:01:40 2014 No.12588802 >>12585430 I haven't read the AT2 ones, but did you consider those came out more than six years ago?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 14 00:08:34 2014 No.12588836 >>12587200 EXA_PICO is a totally different universe with its own set of physics rules and even logic on how souls operate. >>12587174 For talk topic guides, try the playstation trophey guides.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 14 05:01:27 2014 No.12589603 >>12588802 i havent since i cant find any links or mirrors much less venture to 2ch and speak moons to find clues

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 14 05:12:17 2014 No.12589627 >>12587360 Dayum, the Ions really dominated the poll, and Earthes is surprisingly popular too

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 14 05:42:47 2014 No.12589694 >>12589627 She is like a Nerd in denial and down to earth airheaded bimbo.....man did i just hate Ion that much? i really like her in all honesty

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 14 06:33:56 2014 No.12589763 >>12589627 The top 4 are all from Earth.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 14 08:54:26 2014 No.12590049 http://www.siliconera.com/2014/10/14/atelier-escha-logy-plus-announced-playstation-vita/ Did anyone not expect this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 14 09:57:07 2014 No.12590210 >>12587360 >3) Nero All is well with the world. I'm still mad I didn't find her twitter icon. >>12590049 The game will also expand on the original story, and will show more about “that promise” that was made between the two. Oh my.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 14 12:15:27 2014 No.12590497 Listening to sadistic Ion laughing like a madman is pretty fun.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 14 13:48:29 2014 No.12590665 >No matter how much pain I'm in. You just keep pushing those buttons, laughing at me. Right? Shit! She's right.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 14 20:11:44 2014 No.12591852 >>12590497 It's addicting. >Motto Motto! >Cackling maniacally

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 14 23:12:52 2014 No.12592290 >>12590497 i remember that.....it was satisfying and much better than an airheaded fool >Bonus poins if Kanon was there

Anonymous Tue Oct 14 23:18:44 2014 No.12592301

>>12590665

It's not really that much of a think though. Stanley Parable was better.

[Spoiler]After all, the authors of the game are who made those choices, not you. -They- put her in that situation and made her replies.[/Spoiler]

Did they actually mention the details somewhere though? I got lucky guessing and got through it pretty quick, but I don't remember them actually mentioning most of that.

Anonymous Tue Oct 14 23:22:30 2014 No.12592313

>>12592301
Well I like how Ar nosurge makes it a part of the story rather than just to simply screw with the player a bit. I personally think that's better than games that just do it because they can. I'm pretty sure you weren't supposed to know all the answers because Ion was deliberately trying to deter you though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 15 00:00:45 2014 No.12592419 >>12592313 to me it's like Ion is the evil mastermind with a smile in his face.....she is like a twisted devil who will kill you in the name of "cute" Ask shirotaka

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 15 23:02:16 2014 No.12595857 Has anyone here purchased and played the Shirotaka Genometric DLC? What are your thoughts on it? I'm considering purchasing it myself.

Anonymous Wed Oct 15 23:12:03 2014 No.12595878

>>12595857
I got it. Casty's side has a cute dating sim type story like the Binary field and then a part giving closure on Shirotaka and Pram. Ion's side gives a story about Nei Yuuki deciding her path in life. I'd say it's worth the $5. It's a good few hours depend on how fast you go through the text.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 16 07:15:37 2014 No.12596730 >>12595857 They released the DLC in the west, too? Awesome didn't know that

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 16 13:57:05 2014 No.12597485 Currently Chapter 8 on Ciel im just waiting for the 5 day cooldown timer until i can access the chapter,,,,,and its taking it too long I really need to buy the offline version

Anonymous Fri Oct 17 00:07:28 2014 No.12599022
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I'm trying to trigger the Gino events in Atelier Meruru and having a lot of trouble with the one where you are supposed to get an event where he mentions the sword you need to make him.

I just saw the event where masked g beats him up and he's friend level 85. However, no matter how many times I leave and re-enter arls it doesn't trigger.

I tried doing that over the course of 1 1/2 in game years and it never happened for me.

Is there anything that can stop it from triggering? Google turns up nothing other than the requirements which i am positive i have met

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 17 00:11:18 2014 No.12599028 >>12599022 newgame+ only, because GUST are faggots.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 17 00:16:41 2014 No.12599037 >>12599028 Isn't that Gio? I'm talking about Totori's bishie friend. Regardless, I'm on newgame+

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 17 00:24:05 2014 No.12599055 >>12599022 >>12599037 You've probably missed some other character's event which is required for Gino's event to trigger. Guides aren't good about that sort of thing.

Anonymous Fri Oct 17 00:27:41 2014 No.12599065
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>>12599055

Just figured it out

Turns out I had to have synthed the regentium required to make the sword before he would mention it. I never bothered synthing it because I had my weapons from my first playthrough.

Fuck you, gust

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 17 01:09:45 2014 No.12599163 >>12585398 >I think you'll like Totori quite a bit. I like her quite a bit, if you know what I mean.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 17 04:37:18 2014 No.12599654 File: 324 KB, 1920x1080, tsundere.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why is this allowed?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 17 07:23:44 2014 No.12599969 >>12599654 Why not? This level of silliness is essential for a proper game in the EXA_PICO universe.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 17 08:21:18 2014 No.12600040 >>12599969 it was a nerve racking but nevertheless a good geometric stage.....im still laughing to the fact that translator still gives me giggles....oh wait my sides

Anonymous Fri Oct 17 10:59:04 2014 No.12600267

>>12595857
Just finished Delta/Casty side of Shirotaka. That was good in the second half of it. It's a nice change of things diving into a male subject. I wonder in future games if the heroine can dive into the male protag? That would be cool.

Also I went from finding Nero to be slightly distasteful to kind of liking her because of how she acts for her train scene. The 99000 DP was well worth it. Her cat talk was adorable.

Anonymous Fri Oct 17 14:57:49 2014 No.12600866 [DELETED]

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I think I broke Renall's Genometrics.

I'm near the end of the game and cleared her Genometrics already, but there's still one star (it should be M7) that is still unavailable to me.

Does somebody know what I did wrong, or how to finally unlock it?

Anonymous Fri Oct 17 14:59:46 2014 No.12600867
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I think I broke Renall's Genometrics.

I'm near the end of the game and cleared her Genometrics already, but there's still one star (it should be M7) that is still unavailable to me.

Does somebody know what I did wrong, or how to finally unlock it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 17 15:06:36 2014 No.12600880 >>12600867 There's just a section where you revisit death platform and get chucked by katanabitch, wasting like 1k DP or something. It's like ten seconds and relevant to nothing, don't worry about it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 17 15:10:18 2014 No.12600887 >>12600867 I this blocking you from fully completing Ion's Genometrics?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 17 15:12:36 2014 No.12600892 >>12600887 >>12600880 No it's really no big deal I got Renall's and Ion's final Song Magic already, I just wanted to complete all Genometrics and see all events, so I was just wondering what I might have done wrong here

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 17 19:00:59 2014 No.12601693 File: 2.10 MB, 2448x2448, Photo 18-10-14 00 58 56.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is there any background info available about this "machine" Ion is talking about?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 17 23:50:59 2014 No.12602714 >>12601693 check the ciel summary

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 18 04:04:59 2014 No.12603382 File: 179 KB, 1280x720, Ar-no-Surge-10.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Never liked Shurelia and didn't like her role in Ar nosurge, her end came out of nowhere too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 18 04:52:30 2014 No.12603470 >>12603382 Well her end was kind of an in-joke of AT1's last minute Shurelia end while also being a way to show how Interdimend can influence Delta.

Anonymous Sat Oct 18 04:52:51 2014 No.12603471

>>12603382
>her end came out of nowhere
It's a joke, you're not supposed to go for it and that's the reason it came out of nowhere. There are way too many similarities to AT1 to treat it seriously.
It's also the reason why I'm not going for 100% completion. Choosing the "hidden ending" is just impossible for me, only a complete monster would like it.

Anonymous Sat Oct 18 07:31:25 2014 No.12603700

>>12602714

Are you talking about the terminal she built aka the machine I'm controlling? I don't know about that one...

To be honest I understood this specific screenshot differently,

I think she's talking about a machine she built while she was still on earth which led to her summoning to Ra Ciela...?

Or something like that.

But I guess nobody here has any information about that, am I right?

Anonymous Sat Oct 18 13:25:54 2014 No.12604231

I still haven't found any Talk Topic guides so I need to ask you guys for help:

I can't advance any further with Kanon's talk topics because I don't have enough Lv3 topic with Delta.

I crafted everything at her store with him already but it didn't unlock any Lv3 topic for me.

I'm seriously lost here, help greatly appreciated.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 18 13:27:10 2014 No.12604235 File: 3.05 MB, 2448x2448, Photo 18-10-14 19 22 46.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12604231 Forgot to include picture, my bad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 18 13:36:19 2014 No.12604258 And does somebody know whether it's possible to fight the secret boss in the western release?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 18 13:40:57 2014 No.12604274 Is the AT visual book scanned somewhere else? I can't import in my country. Argentina

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 18 13:41:07 2014 No.12604275 File: 254 KB, 1000x581, 35159c44.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12604235 >>12604231 http://arnosurge.wiki-wiki.jp/index.php?拡張禊ぎパック　カノン >>12604258 Maybe in Ar nosurge plus.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 18 15:01:04 2014 No.12604442 >>12604274 The jap version is, I haven't found any scans of the english version.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 18 16:27:06 2014 No.12604638 >>12604442 Just found an unique copy here en argenshit. Expensive as hell, but i ordered it anyways.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 18 18:13:39 2014 No.12604955 >>12604275 Thanks for that link, I found a lot of valuable information there. And I seriously hope that we'll get to see Arno plus in the west, too, but with all those western releases of the Atelier+ games, I guess the possibility exist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 18 18:24:20 2014 No.12604988 >>12585336 Is the flash cosmosphere diferent from the game?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 18 21:11:19 2014 No.12605444 Finally got around to reading about what happened in Ciel Nosurge since I got Ar Then I realized I only had a third of the Ciel Genometric Concerts. Goddamn this is like the third time in this series I've missed pieces of music.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 18 21:29:51 2014 No.12605524 >>12603470 >>12603382 >People would actually choose forever-bland never-interesting always-overrated Shurelia Christ

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 18 21:32:51 2014 No.12605538 >>12605524 Who are ya quoting?

Anonymous Sat Oct 18 22:32:59 2014 No.12605733

>>12605444
Actually while I'm at it

What happened exactly at the end of Ciel Nosurge?

I understand they used Ra Ciel Fusor to create a window to Ar Ciel. And then they sent all the genom that came with them and some people to explore the surface which is why there are no genom around? But then Nero dragged herself and Ion to the future which drained the pulsar that Ra Ciel had become which closed the window? And this was before the Soriel locked onto the location so nobody knows where they're going?

I guess I'm just confused as to what Ra Ciel Fusor actually did and what happened to Ion between the end of Ion's memories and the end of Ciel Nosurge and how much time has passed. Like why the fuck is Delta still alive? They foreshadowed Cas becoming an incarnate so I can understand that but why is he still kicking about?

I have Ar Nosurge but I haven't played it much yet. Is this going to be explained? I just want to know what I SHOULD know and what's going to be explained later.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 18 23:08:51 2014 No.12605825 >>12605733 You should just play it because a lot of it is explained there. Did you not read the Terminate Pack though? I'm pretty sure the reason for everybody being in the timeframe of Ar nosurge is explained there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 18 23:13:14 2014 No.12605832 >>12605825 Yeah I read the Terminate thing, which is why I understand that Cas is still alive because they foreshadowed that thing with her finding the virus

Anonymous Sun Oct 19 01:04:07 2014 No.12606065

>>12605832
>>12605733
This is kind of spoilers but it is kind of explained closer to the end of Ar Nosurge. Renall realized the big fuck up that occurred at the end of Ciel Nosurge and was able to track Nero and Ion 5000 years into the future. Delta, Casty, Shirotaka, Renall, Sarly, Kanon, and Nay were going to be the Seven but never got approval by Kosal. The Seven are the only group capable enough to possibly create a new planet. If any of the Seven died during the 5000 year gap then the creation of a new planet would be impossible. So Casty, Delta, Shirotaka, Sarly and Renall were put to sleep for 5000 years except Renall and Shirotaka which were for 4990 years. Incarnation does not grant immortality nor notable long life, just stops an aging appearance. However being a Sharl does grant one with exceptionally long life. Nay really is 5000+ years old and Kanon was the core of the flask sea with Kosal until Zill extracted her to which she was also aware of Ion's time jump and went to sleep accordingly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 19 01:46:20 2014 No.12606180 >>12606065 >Kanon is still alive I didn't even have a reason for thinking she wasn't dead and still called it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 19 03:24:05 2014 No.12606389 >>12606065 I was somewhat upset I was spoiled that Kanon was alive, though I kinda had a feeling she was But then when the game is explaining friend skills, it freaking shows Kanon. She looks fantastic, though. Unf

Anonymous Sun Oct 19 08:30:20 2014 No.12606923
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>>12605524

Well I do like the idea of her character, being a "goddess", "administrator", "artificial human" and "little girl"... all in one package.

And I honestly think that the name "Shurelia" is one of the best names I've ever heard.

Okay but now to some more in-depth discussions about Surge Concerto.

Yesterday I got the normal end and today I'll finish the true end, too, so I'm pretty much aware of the whole story, and I read the Ciel summary of course.

First of all,

can I consider Yuuki's story from Shirotaka's DLC as canon? Is this what she experienced during her school days?

>>12601693
>>12602714
>>12603700

It's pretty obvious that Ion isn't talking about the "terminal", because she was summoned to Ra Ciela long before she even started building it.

Which basically implies that - based on Yuuki's story in Shirotaka's DLC - Yuuki managed to get into that tech/space university and it was during her university days when she built "the machine" -
because our Surge Concerto Ion doesn't appear to be that much older than Yuuki was during her school days ... maybe 2 or 3 years have passed since the events shown in the DLC.

"The machine" was ultimately the reason why she was summoned to Ra Ciela, which means that she wasn't chosen randomly...

So what could this machine have been? And how did it manage to draw the attention of the people from Ra Ciela?

Which brings me to my next question.

Yuuki's DLC story seems to take place roughly in our time, so she was summoned to Ra Ciela from the year 20XX, Nelo on the other hand has been on Ra Ciela for over 5000 years at that point.

Which implies that the summoning works across dimensions, space and TIME, otherwise Nelo would have lived on earth thousands of years BC.

And I'm also wondering,

If, according to my previous speculation, Ion wasn't chosen randomly from all the citizens of earth, was there also a special reason why Nelo was chosen?

Anonymous Sun Oct 19 08:31:24 2014 No.12606927
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>>12605733
>>12606065

Why exactly did Nelo cause the time jump anyway? To prevent the people of Ra Ciela from migrating to the new planet?

And did she take the energy source with her (together Ion), or was it just depleted after the time jump?

And another detail I don't understand,

At what point in time did Nelo/Ion arrive in the future, and how long did Ion sleep in the tube producing Sharls?

And are the Seven the only "Ancients" who were put to sleep for 5000 years?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 19 08:42:05 2014 No.12606953 Is the "other player" supposed to be from earth, too?

Anonymous Sun Oct 19 08:54:19 2014 No.12606995

>>12605733
>And then they sent all the genom that came with them and some people to explore the surface which is why there are no genom around

This exploration team was rather small and most of the genom decided to stay at Ra Ciela and "die" together with it. It is later revealed, however, that their souls are now part of the ship's energy source, just like the rest of the former planet. You'll learn during Ar no surge that there's a way to extract the individual genom souls from the energy source again... and place them into Sharl bodies.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 19 10:45:43 2014 No.12607204 File: 204 KB, 1280x720, ar-no-surge-06-24-14-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I want to do unspeakable things to Nayaflask. Better masochist than Finnel.

Anonymous Sun Oct 19 14:05:21 2014 No.12607593

>>12607204
Gust is getting better and batter at using certain character archetypes. Remember tsunderes in AT1 and AT2? Shurelia was just nope. and Cloche was even more Nope. than Shurelia. Finnel was actually good and Cass is almost perfect. Saki was a horrible airheaded moeblob, Ion is an airheaded moeblob too, but much more likeable. Delta shares some similarities with Lyner, they took a clearly visible obsession away (Funbuns) and gave him some suffering instead. Aurica was fine, but they took different direction for future "broken girls". If I had to choose, Finnel was more interesting than Aurica, though. The only card they played really well from the very beginning was the childhood friend, all of them are really good.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 19 14:12:39 2014 No.12607614 >>12606953 He is supposedly from the same "Earth" Nero is from. I'm guessing the time axis Nelo is from happens to have a "game" that is from Prim's perspective.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 19 16:40:05 2014 No.12608061 >>12607593 On the subject of Funbuns, has anyone actually managed to recreate one yet?

Anonymous Sun Oct 19 17:25:53 2014 No.12608208

Why is Atelier Marie so insufferable and filled to the brim with issues? Do I really need to use a walkthrough to go through this? Because for fuck's sake I can't even get my money past 3500 and the bartender is butthurt at me since I had to cancel two quests.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 19 17:36:12 2014 No.12608241 Was Shallie really that unpopular? I really enjoyed it but I don't even see anyone talking about it now.

Anonymous Sun Oct 19 17:42:01 2014 No.12608257
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>>12608241
There's not much to talk about because exactly nothing of importance took place in the game

Miruca was cute. The battle against the water spirit was hype, with great music. Can't think of much else.

People expected more.

Anonymous Sun Oct 19 17:50:03 2014 No.12608285

>>12608257
>The battle against the water spirit was hype
That fight took me so long. My guys kept reviving and eventually took it down. The song playing was great too, probably the best from the game.

I remember going in thinking I had pretty good gear since I was devastating everything else, and then I got a long drawn out fight barely outhealing all the hits that come in when it's nearing death.

Hopefully there's some news on a new one soon. What do you think, PS3 or PS4?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 19 17:52:41 2014 No.12608296 >>12608285 I'd like to see one more game in the Dusk series on PS3 before they move on to PS4. But considering how well the last one did, I doubt that's likely.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 19 18:01:20 2014 No.12608325 What're the odds we're going to get another Surge Concerto game? I seem to remember they said they were going to do three before Ciel was put out? Or is that just wishful thinking?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 19 18:43:33 2014 No.12608478 Let's have a fun topic: which main heroines in AT and Norsurge would make the best mother? What I mean by this is who would make the best parent for their children?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 19 18:46:35 2014 No.12608486 >>12608478 1: Aurica 2: Cloche 3: They'd all be terrible Nosurge: Ion Strange how none of my choices there match up with who my favorite is.

Anonymous Sun Oct 19 18:54:42 2014 No.12608511

>>12608296
I hope so too. Just to wrap it all up. I figured Shallie wasn't going to be the end of the story but I hope they don't just cut it there because it didn't sell as well as the others.

I hope if they do ever do two main characters again they get them to gel better. Escha and Logy were good, I actually cared about the other character I wasn't playing. Sharlotte feels like she just gets in the way when you're not her.

I like her when I'm playing her, but otherwise she just hangs out with you and you're supposed to be great friends even when I never used her.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 19 18:56:05 2014 No.12608519 >>12608486 Basically this Surprised the girls in 3 hadn't accidentally killed themselves before the game began

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 19 19:13:52 2014 No.12608585 So is Akiko Shikata working on anything right now besides that shitty Cross Ange animu?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 19 19:23:21 2014 No.12608607 >>12608585 Not really. Though the Yuuki Yuuna anime has a vocal soundtrack that is probably sung by someone related to Ar tonelico.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 19 19:38:20 2014 No.12608642 >>12608607 That voice was in the nier soundtrack (keiichi okabe) dont think they had something related there

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 19 19:50:41 2014 No.12608673 >>12608325 I'm really interested in this, too, I need more games from this franchise.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 19 19:52:12 2014 No.12608677 >>12608607 >that is probably sung by someone Where did you get that information from?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 19 20:00:21 2014 No.12608694 >>12608642 You mean Evi Evans? Keiichi Okabe is the composer.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 19 20:07:01 2014 No.12608713 >>12608694 Oops, meant to type Emi Evans.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 19 20:16:22 2014 No.12608742 >>12608694 Whops i fucked up. I actually dont know if its emi evans in this particular song but this should be the voice in YuYuYu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0IWB6qEn9o

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 19 20:18:52 2014 No.12608756 >>12608742 I'm pretty sure all of the female vocals were done by Emi Evans. Though I'm curious as to why I can't find any credits for her for YuYuYu.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 19 20:24:10 2014 No.12608770 >>12608756 no infos on vgmdb yet but i'm fine with keiichi/MONACA alone right now

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 00:23:44 2014 No.12609272

How much overlap is there between the Ar Tonelico/Nosurge fanbase and the Atelier fanbase? Are most of the people discussing Ar Nosurge in this thread right now also Atelier fans, and and are the Atelier fans in this thread also enthusiastically joining the Nosurge discussion?

Myself, I'm in this thread for the Atelier series and the Ar Tonelico series just doesn't really click with me. So it feels kind of weird to be following a thread discussing something else entirely than what I'm here for.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 00:27:59 2014 No.12609281 >>12609272 I don't really know about everybody else but I also enjoy the Atelier series along with the AT/SC series.

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 00:31:24 2014 No.12609288

>>12609272
I love both. These threads were dead for a couple months and only came back up because Ar nosurge's release was imminent, so it's not a surprise that the majority of discussion right now is Ar nosurge. I'm sure when Shallie is localized it'll switch more over to Atelier discussion.

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 00:36:19 2014 No.12609298
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>>12609272
I don't pay attention to the Nosurge discussion but I'm in an even tighter spot since I've been going through the untranslated Ateliers these days and since the Atelier fanbase is already small, it's even harder to talk about them. Maybe when I reach Violet~Judie there will be more people who'll talk about it here with me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 00:53:03 2014 No.12609320 >>12609298 I'm currently working on getting my moon skills to a passable level, but I will be joining you in your quest soon enough

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 01:02:40 2014 No.12609333

>>12609320
Atelier games should be a good way for you to practice. The grammar is simple but you'll have to grab a dictionary very often in the beginning due to the ingredients' names and a few RPG terminologies. Just be patient and things should work out somehow. Also enjoy the OST because it's really one of the best things about the old games. Specially Judie's and Ellie's.

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 01:41:07 2014 No.12609377
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>>12609272
Basically only here for AT Nosurge. I don't know why but I REALLY like the settings for all the games. There are some really great ideas that just seem to resonate with me.

And the music

I thought I just didn't like music until I was freaking seventeen and discovered Ar Tonelico and by extension Akiko Shikata.

To be perfectly honest, the games themselves don't really grab me. Some nice ideas but they always seem to be lacking something. Like the people behind the games weren't 100% focused on them either.

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 05:55:24 2014 No.12609848
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>>12609272

I started playing the Atelier games because I needed to fill the void Ar tonelico left behind...

Not but seriously they are great games, too, but not as awesome as Ar tonico (and surge concerto)

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 06:43:01 2014 No.12609935 >>12609272 Here for Ar Tonelico/Ar Nosurge, never played any Atelier games.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 06:43:15 2014 No.12609937 >>12607593 >Cloche was even more Nope. than Shurelia I think you meant to say "Cloche is the best AT heroine, with an impeccable sense of fashion and cute characters" It's okay, easy typo to make.

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 06:48:42 2014 No.12609944

>>12609272
I'm trying to get into Atelier series, but EXA_PICO is the most important universe. I'd say it's at least 95% Ar Tonelico/Ar Nosurge and <5% Atelier in this case. I'm afraid nothing can compete with the Ar setting, overall concept is really great.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 06:52:07 2014 No.12609948 >>12609937 Cloche is shit. Mir is the only choice as the heroine of AT2.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 07:03:07 2014 No.12609962 >>12609948 >>12609937 >tfw Cloche will die before she's 40

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 07:04:37 2014 No.12609966
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>>12609962
Whoopse, forgot my face

Also, anyone have all the vectors of all the install ports? I used to have them but I lost them in one of my computer migrations

Lost a LOT of great AT stuff and it really pisses me off. In any case, anyone have the ports?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 07:08:44 2014 No.12609971 File: 184 KB, 1877x1950, aurica.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12609966

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 07:09:45 2014 No.12609973 File: 197 KB, 1944x1940, cloche.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12609971

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 07:10:42 2014 No.12609976
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>>12609962
>>12609966
Good. Cloche a shit, Luca isn't that bad, Mir is great and Frelia is the best.

And here: http://www.mediafire.com/download/12pyovroql4vdi0/installpoints.rar

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>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 07:11:47 2014 No.12609979 File: 152 KB, 1609x1828, frelia.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 07:12:48 2014 No.12609982 File: 139 KB, 1825x1874, luca.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 07:13:49 2014 No.12609984 File: 153 KB, 1442x1794, mir.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 07:14:04 2014 No.12609986 >>12609976 >Frelia >Anything other than shit BITCH FINISH YOUR GODDAMN TOWER

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>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 07:15:18 2014 No.12609989 >>12609973 Cloche's always seemed pretty damn ordered for a third

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 07:15:26 2014 No.12609990 >>12609986 Frelia already has her husbando, she doesn't need anything else.

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 07:15:48 2014 No.12609991

>>12608478
I think I've seen this question before. Now that I finished all games (well, almost -- I didn't complete phase 3 in ArNo), I'll describe my opinins:
AT1:
Aurica -- she'd be the worst before her character development, but I think she'd be okay after she dealt with her problems. She's caring and (mostly) kind, but I wouldn't let her cook or name her child. Both, especially the latter, may cause a mental trauma.
Misha -- probably the best, she's kind and understanding.
Shurelia -- no, just no. Not that I hate her, but I just can't imagine this. She was like a mother to Lyner and after he closed the distance between them, it turned into a crush. I don't think it'd play well.

AT2:
I think both Luca and Cloche would be okay. Mir lacks patience

AT3:
Saki -- probably the best, given her experience with kids in the elementary school. She's caring and patient. She's a huge airhead, but I get the impression that she wouldn't do anything stupid when she's taking care of children.
Finnel -- this one could be problematic. She's a kind girl, but she needs a lot of support. Most likely lacks experience too.
Tilia -- she's an enigma to me. I really don't know.

Ar Nosurge:
Cass -- she'd be great, but being a tsundere certainly isn't a good thing in this case. She could unintentionally undermine Delta's (she's Delta-sexual after all) authority. Trust me on this, my mother is kinda tsundere for my father and it didn't play well. Other than that, I see no problems.

Ion -- Saki 2.0, probably the best.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 07:16:52 2014 No.12609995 File: 122 KB, 1829x1624, shurelia.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 07:17:53 2014 No.12609997 File: 124 KB, 1741x1530, tilia.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 07:19:41 2014 No.12609999 File: 2 KB, 128x128, BBQ_Soda.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12609991 >I wouldn't let her cook Woah, what's wrong with letting her cook?

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 07:21:27 2014 No.12610002

>>12609999
Man I used to have a real-life version of this pic

THANKS OBAMA

>>12609997
>>12609995
>>12609979
It always bothered me that Shurelia and Tilia had triangular install ports but Frelial's got this stupid fairy crap going on

Fuckin' Sharl is what she is

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 07:26:46 2014 No.12610011 >>12609997 >>12609995 >>12609992 >>12609988 >>12609984 >>12609982 >>12609979 >>12609977 >>12609973 >>12609971 Thanks install-man!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 07:29:46 2014 No.12610018 File: 56 KB, 400x1000, At2-chroche-costume06.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12609976 Oh and I guess you too. Didn't read your whole post because you were talkin' shit 'bout muh waifu

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 07:38:27 2014 No.12610031 File: 18 KB, 240x320, 1312660305195.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12610002 Shamfur dispray, anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 07:55:35 2014 No.12610053 >>12610031 HOLY CRAP IS REAL!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 08:21:21 2014 No.12610124 How do i earm HymP for skipping the timeline for Ciel nosurge offline? Anyone knows?

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 10:11:41 2014 No.12610366

>>12609935
>>12609944
What's so good about that series anyway? I've never bothered with anything from GUST other than Atelier since I've enjoyed them at the point of even buying random merchandise in yahoo auctions, but the way you speak about it, it's seriously worth a check. And specially AT2 which apparently everyone loves.

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 11:08:36 2014 No.12610484
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>>12610366

Do you like Visual Novel style games? Or choosing a "best girl"?

Do you enjoy crafting "crazy stuff"? (Well I guess that's a given if you like Atelier)

Do you like a sci-fi fantasy settings, especially with a lot of futuristic technology going on?

Do you like "post apocalyptic" / "A broken planet" settings, where most of humanity lost the means to really "understand" said technology?

Do you like fictional fantasy languages which you can actually... translate?

And most importantly, do you like Akiko Shikata's "ethereal" music?

The thing fascinating me the most about the AT series was the whole idea behind Song Magic:

Girls singing Songs (most of them in a fictional language) which are actually command lines to operate a gigantic "Song server" to cast magic!

Well I admit that it sounds pretty "over the top" but the concept really works.

And here, baby's first hymmnos songs:

One song from the very first game of the Ar tonelico game.

http://youtu.be/4PEmZdiFjwY

... And one song from the current generation "Ar nosurge"

http://youtu.be/nQGeEYqrNFU

(The music had also a lot of development going on over the years)

PS:

You mentioned that you're especially interested in AT2, which is arguably the best game of the franchise, but you should actually play the whole franchise... and in "normal" order, because it's actually one coherent story told through multiple games.

PPS:

I honestly think that liking the music plays an important role for becoming a fan of the franchise:

Personally I believe those games should be considered "space operas" in video game form instead of "mere JRPGs".

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 11:10:42 2014 No.12610489 >>12609976 I always wondered, where did the creator of those actually get the pattern from? I believe that we actually never get to see the install ports in the games, right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 11:26:53 2014 No.12610521 >>12610484 Man Gust really has their shit together in regards to music.

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 12:13:11 2014 No.12610610

>>12610366
Music and setting.
I got interested in music, because I just couldn't ignore a beautiful artificial language that makes sense.

Back then I know nothing about the setting, but after researching a bit, I had a feeling of hitting the jackpot. Sci-fi, cute girls, forgotten tech, post-apocalypse, awesome music, hymmnos (the said language).

These series are just made of things I love.

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 12:21:58 2014 No.12610622

>>12610366
For me it goes like this:
1) Music - main reason I fell in love in the Ar games, it's superb. Not only Hymmnos, true miracles kicking in during important event, but even normal "background" music is great. While I'm at audio aspects, the voice acting is really good too, even if some voiced lines in AT1 were a bit unpolished.

2) Setting and atmosphere -- the world in Ar games is dying, it's a really bad place to live, theoretically speaking. However, its carefully weaved environment, sometimes silly pseudoscientific explanations and unique languages (this stuff is really detailed) are truly charming. It's hard to describe without omitting important elements, so it's best to check it out yourself. I'd forget -- the Song Magic system is great.
3) Characters and interactions between them -- "best girl" wars sure are fun
4) Other aspects -- graphics aren't great, but the style is charming; 2D backgrounds are beautiful, though. Especially some rare 2D backgrounds in AT3 (e.g. "God's Valley" if memory serves right).

Play the games in the normal order: AT1->AT2->AT3->(if you know moon)Ciel Nosurge (summary if not) -> Ar Nosurge

Everyone loves AT2, but it's still my least favorite game in the series. It's still great, but I like the other games more. Probably that's because AT2 soundtrack/Hymmnos Concerts have less songs that really suit my taste and I didn't really like the girls. Protag was great, but his role was reduced to bare minimum in the latter part of the game, it was painful to watch too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 12:31:04 2014 No.12610632 File: 142 KB, 960x544, 1413301056653.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Which synthesis song is your favorite? Cooking ones are really catchy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uil0vWpBR58

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 12:38:55 2014 No.12610644 >>12610632 RNA/Cathode and Accessory (even though it's a bit loud) synth. songs are my favorites. Mechanica is fun too... Damn, I love all of them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 12:57:30 2014 No.12610705 File: 2.66 MB, 1280x540, 1413101592968.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12610366 I'm in for the lewd and characters. Godly music is a plus. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNKhFPeYNA8

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 13:38:11 2014 No.12610801 >>12610632 I like Sundrysong the most while Cooking Time is second place for me. Though, of course, they're all pretty catchy.

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 14:35:47 2014 No.12610915

So I just came across Krut Hymneth and it has reminded me that I need to marathon AT immediately. That being said, is there a download for that album? I know it probably has a bunch of overlap from the music collection before it, but it also contains stuff from Ciel/Surge I believe. What do I need for the complete AT experience?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 15:25:18 2014 No.12611066 It's just me being delusional or Harmoburst is basically: - sex - during a battle - right in front of enemies? I though Gust won't surprise me after AT3 and its stripping.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 15:31:45 2014 No.12611099 >>12611066 The talk topics you get after doing it for the first time is pretty funny.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 15:43:20 2014 No.12611150 Nagi needs to come back.

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 15:47:09 2014 No.12611167
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>>12610124
You mean earning HymP in general?

- Repair the broken points in Ion's dream world
- Watch her memories
- Do the Sharl requests
- Have Ion craft items (can't remember, might just give Sharl exp)
- Events in general, like when you go on a date with her

There might be more but I'm only on my 4th in-game day. This game seems REALLY long.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 15:48:39 2014 No.12611174 >>12611167 It took my 4-5 hours just to read about what happened in her memories, nevermind all the daily life stuff

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 15:50:09 2014 No.12611182 >>12611066 Well this is the same game where a couple slept together and had a child within the first hour a gameplay That's gotta be a record

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 17:05:20 2014 No.12611429 >>12611174 Wow how? After 2 days of playing I'm only halfway through chapter 1, but I've also been trying to make every little item. Maybe I should spend more hymP for time skipping. All I want is Ion to craft herself a swimsuit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 17:11:10 2014 No.12611447 >>12611429 No, I mean I read a summery of the events in her memories alone and it took a long-ass time. Playing the game proper? I can't even imagine

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 17:20:04 2014 No.12611475

>>12610915

>What do I need for the complete AT experience?

Are you talking about the games?

First of all I'd recommend playing the games in release order.

After playing the games read the translations of the hymmnos songs which were featured in the games; this adds a lot of depth to the music in my opinion.

When you're done with AT1-3 play Ciel nosurge... or read the detailed summary posted in the last thread.

After reading about all the events in Ciel nosurge... play Ar nosurge!

And after you've done all of this you'll be up to date with the rest of us.

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 17:24:10 2014 No.12611492

>>12611475
Well I actually mean the soundtrack. I want every single drop from the series including the new ones.

In terms of the game I think I got the order right. Im just considering purchasing the limited editions of the games despite the first two being $100+. Am I going full retard? The concept and music in this game is just the best I have ever seen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 17:43:30 2014 No.12611533 idk if someone posted it yet but some Eschatology plus screenshots were released and Shallie is coming in english in 2015 sometime

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 17:50:56 2014 No.12611551

>>12611492
Well...

You need the OST and both Hymmnos Concerts from all three Ar Tonelicos
You need the OST and all three Genometric Concerts from Ciel Nosurge
You need the OST and both Genometric Concerts from Ar Nosurge
You need Ar=Ciel Ar=Dor (the disc for this is fucking beautiful >>12609377)
You need Krut Hymneth for the three additional songs
You need Akiko Shikata's Raka, Harmonia and Laylania albums for the reiterations of the openings of AT1, 2 and Ciel (I want to say there's one for AT3? But I can't think of it off the top of my head)
There are CD dramas with songs in them but from what I've seen they're not exactly substantial. Someone feel free to correct me on this
You need to find the rip of the 4 songs that plays during the fight with the final boss of AT3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsHhxmz4VTQ is my favorite but the corrupted form of Ec Tisia ~Tarifa~ is amazing

I'm probably missing something. Just this week I discovered there was more than one Genometrics concert disc for Ciel. Yes I AM an idiot

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 17:53:55 2014 No.12611558 >>12611551 Uwahhh. This will be a struggle then. I was hoping for something more comprehensive to be out. Guess I'll begin.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 18:36:30 2014 No.12611666 >>12611551 The reiteration for AT3's OP is in Ar=Ciel Ar=Dor (named Singing Hills ~Ar=Ciel Ar=Dor~). Though it resembles the third OP a lot less than the other two songs I think.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 18:38:20 2014 No.12611670 >>12610632 Goddamn, Kanon I know you were basically the only one with breasts in the last game (besides the duke of Zill) you don't need to keep going

Anonymous Mon Oct 20 18:46:00 2014 No.12611682
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>Ion wakes up at 7AM after sleeping 15 (!!) hours
>2 hours later she decides to takes a nap
>she naps while sitting straight up in her chair

I think she has surpassed mortal /jp/ NEET levels at this point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 18:51:27 2014 No.12611693 >>12611682 Oh go ahead and sleep, Ion I mean it's not like there's an entire dying civilization on a colony ship adrift in space for the last five thousand years with no navigator

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 18:56:43 2014 No.12611706 >>12611666 Oh yeah I forgot It's really the lyrics that tie that song more than the melody though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 19:01:16 2014 No.12611722 File: 139 KB, 500x499, Cover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12611551 You could add the Hymmnos Chronicle, but it's fan made if I'm not wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 19:50:11 2014 No.12611877 >>12611722 http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=46379704 Looks like they're releasing another album this weekend at M3. It sounds cool, yet another doujin remix album to download then.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 20:48:44 2014 No.12612014 >>12611722 Oh my god, trying to sing in New Testament How?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 20 21:21:13 2014 No.12612120 Does the ship soreil is powered by my PS3? since we are considered as 7th dimension does that means that Ion and Nero was suck in-game? does that means that this game does not break the 4th wall but screwed us over and over again?

goober_t2049 Mon Oct 20 23:29:51 2014 No.12612525

>>12611492
Personally I would say that the limited editions of AT1 and 2 aren't all that worth it for $100+. At least not the ones that came to the US. The art books are tiny and the music discs don't have more than a few of the Hymmns.

ATQoga has a nicer hardback art book, but the soundtrack has the same issue as the previous 2 games: It's mostly just the non-vocal songs that are included.

I would say you're better off buying normal versions of all 3 games and taking that money you saved to get this art book: http://www.amazon.com/Tonelico-Visual-Book-Hirokazu-Hamamura/dp/192677826X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1413862096&sr=8-1&keywords=ar+tonelico+art+book

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 00:07:23 2014 No.12612655 >>12612525 >http://www.amazon.com/Tonelico-Visual-Book-Hirokazu-Hamamura/dp/192677826X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1413862096&sr=8-1&keywords=ar+tonelico+art+book >That fucking cover Great, another thing I can't show to anyone

Anonymous Tue Oct 21 00:08:28 2014 No.12612658

>>12610366

I'll forever be grateful for the opportunity to psychologically rip an entitled bitch to pieces for being an unbelievably stuck-up cunt.

Not many games let me do that.

Otherwise I'd say the series as a whole is ~B rating. Nothing -too- special (the ecchi in Quoga was pointless and stupid IMO, the battle system was awful to boot, in general pacing can be a little awkward, like with Shurellia in AT1 and how crafting item chains can take ~40 minutes per store, especially with how cutcenes play out in Nosurge), but not horrible either (like that abomination of a game HDN was).

>>	goober_t2049 Tue Oct 21 00:13:17 2014 No.12612674 >>12612655 Eh, I've never thought it was THAT bad, but I can see where some people might ask what the hell it is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 00:46:18 2014 No.12612776 >>12611551 >You need to find the rip of the 4 songs that plays during the fight with the final boss of AT3 Is there an official release of this anywhere? Or am I going to have to rip shit off youtube?

Anonymous Tue Oct 21 00:56:01 2014 No.12612802

I don't want to derail the thread but what is the best way to play import games on an unmodded ps2? I want to get into AT but the first two games are so expensive in english (like $100+ for okay quality used for both together) whereas the Japanese version are really cheap ($30 like new together). Before anyone says it, I don't have a good enough PC for emulation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 01:04:35 2014 No.12612825 >>12609997 >>12609995 >>12609992 >>12609988 >>12609984 >>12609982 >>12609979 >>12609977 >>12609973 >>12609971 >Posting unspoilered install points This is a blue board, anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 01:13:25 2014 No.12612848 >>12612825 Nothing lewd about install ports themselves, just where they're located. Poor Mir.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 01:16:42 2014 No.12612858 >>12612848 They are all located in separate spots?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 01:19:34 2014 No.12612868 >>12612858 Yeah Mir's got hers like a few inches above her vagina. Cloche has hers in her armpit for some reason. Aurica on her back. Misha between her breasts. Those are the only ones I know

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 01:22:01 2014 No.12612880 >>12612868 For some reason I assumed they were all on their backs. Poor Mir indeed.

>>	goober_t2049 Tue Oct 21 01:32:59 2014 No.12612912 >>12612868 Shurelia's is just above her left(?) buttock. I'm assuming Finnel's is on her back, because that's where it is for Soma.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 01:38:47 2014 No.12612925 >>12612912 >Shurelia's is just above her left(?) buttock. >>12612868 >Cloche has hers in her armpit for some reason >Asymmetrical ports PIG DISGUSTING

>>	goober_t2049 Tue Oct 21 01:44:11 2014 No.12612935 File: 1.29 MB, 1280x720, Ar noSurge opening Screen Shot 2014-10-15 11-12-24.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12612925

Anonymous Tue Oct 21 01:52:09 2014 No.12612951

>>12612802
>I don't want to derail the thread but what is the best way to play import games on an unmodded ps2

Google softmod ps2, you basically put a program on your memory card that lets you play copied/import/whatever games. However you need a way to put it on your memory card. When you search you'll see that there are a few methods.

Personally I used the Action Replay Max disc method, it was like $10 off amazon or something. Then I simply burned the Ar Tonelico 2 ISO on a disc and played it on my PS2.

Anonymous Tue Oct 21 02:17:47 2014 No.12612999
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I'm working on beating the final boss (well, I'll get back to it tomorrow, I have to go to work in the morning.) I noticed this when I was running from random battles, though. If you press start as soon as you are able, and time it just right, the menu pops up and lets you select Run as the actual battle interface is still loading and it seems that there is still some Japanese text that wasn't removed, though all it says is a i u e o ka ki ku. Thought it was interesting and don't know if anyone else saw that. Man, the bugs in this game are endless.

>>	goober_t2049 Tue Oct 21 02:23:49 2014 No.12613014 >>12612999 I've heard of that glitch, but this is my first time seeing it. Kinda neat and luckily not detrimental.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 02:41:55 2014 No.12613055 File: 119 KB, 600x837, 43c8691247733f35836b3e162184d25e.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Tfw you're in the middle of Genometrics/Cosmosphere and you're out of DP O-ok

>>	goober_t2049 Tue Oct 21 02:47:35 2014 No.12613069 File: 1.63 MB, 1280x720, Diving Screen Shot 2014-10-21 01-46-44.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12613055 Sadface.png

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 02:56:48 2014 No.12613086 >>12612999 Funny, I got that at the exact same place too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 05:05:58 2014 No.12613086,1 So, are the towers still chugging along at the end of AT3? I mean I assume they must be since the 2nd gens and origins don't turn into puddles of goo at the end of the game. That would have been... unfortunate

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 05:52:28 2014 No.12613445 >>12610632 Seing that screenshot reminds me that it really sucks that the west didn't get the option to switch the party members costumes...

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 05:55:26 2014 No.12613447 >>12611877 Sweet, thanks for the info. This time it's just a normal CD with no connection to AT, right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 05:59:29 2014 No.12613452 >>12612776 Sorry to disappoint you but it was never released officially for whatever reason.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 06:02:13 2014 No.12613457 >>12613014 >>12613086 Noticed the exact same thing during my playthrough~

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 06:42:21 2014 No.12613457,1 >>12613452 WHY?! AU GUMU IS AWESOME AND I MEAN THAT IN THE SENSE THAT IT INSPIRES AWE AND CORRUPTED TARIFA MAKES ME CRY Actually a lot of AT songs make me cry like Rebirthia and Chronicle Key

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 07:30:19 2014 No.12613599 >>12613452 WHY?! AU GUMU IS AWESOME AND I MEAN THAT IN THE SENSE THAT IT INSPIRES AWE AND CORRUPTED TARIFA MAKES ME CRY Actually a lot of AT songs make me cry like Rebirthia and Chronicle Key

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 09:06:07 2014 No.12613764 >>12613599 Chronicle Key makes me baww next to EXEC_RE=NATION and EXEC_VIENA./

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 09:32:26 2014 No.12613835 >>12611877 I hope this one's just as good. I loved Hymmnos Chronicle so much that I bought it.

Anonymous Tue Oct 21 09:33:58 2014 No.12613836
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>>12611551
Note that Krut Hymneth contains all six Hymmnos Concert discs for the three Ar Tonelicos, plus some more.

And there are a couple of CDs for the songs from the Hymmnos Musical drama CDs -- Claire, Spica, and Cocona.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 09:35:06 2014 No.12613838 >>12613836 Can you even GET Krut anymore?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 09:42:26 2014 No.12613856 >>12613838 Amazon.co.jp and shop.salburg.com both still have it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 09:45:44 2014 No.12613862 >>12613838 http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B009X540FE/ I hope they fixed the binding issue though. The box on mine has a tear where the decal wasn't wrapped around properly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 14:48:08 2014 No.12614715 >>12613862 >http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B009X540FE/ Sheeet I was expecting 200+ monies for that

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 16:57:41 2014 No.12615000 >>12613836 That's nice. Show your gust stuff /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 17:02:16 2014 No.12615009 >>12586836 I know this (and the ones above it) are trolling, but it should be pointed out anyway that everyone is crazy in their cosmospheres, as you'd know if you'd played the AT series.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 18:54:57 2014 No.12615229 Why does no one talk about Atelier Iris anymore? AI2 was one of my favourite gust games

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 19:30:06 2014 No.12615321 >>12615229 No one really talks about the 2D atelier games here anymore.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 20:58:57 2014 No.12615584 >>12615229 It was quite the jump going form Iris to Totori, let me tell you. I was very confused for a while.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 22:24:23 2014 No.12615786 >>12611877 Great, thanks for the news!

Anonymous Tue Oct 21 22:31:31 2014 No.12615797

>>12613447
It looks like it is connected.

From http://stellatram.s602.xrea.com/paradigm-shift/

FOR OVERSEAS VISITORS:
This is a doujin CD (fan CD) of the "Ar tonelico" series.
* All the tracks are newly written works.
* Mihoshi and Lyune are historical Revatails in the series. On the other hand, Adel and Ilya are our original (fan made) Revatail sisters who live in the "Ar tonelico II: Melody of Metafalica" world.
* Their each 4 tracks are made up of Dive jingle, Cosmosphere BGMs (surface and depths), and Hymmnos song.
* The lyrics booklet is written in Hymmnos and Japanese.
If you want to buy this CD from overseas, you can order (also make an advance order) at Alice Books (doujin consignment store), and get a overseas shipping. Buy link will be available on banner above.
Thank you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 22:40:20 2014 No.12615815 >>12585334 nigger what's anti-aliasing

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 23:18:19 2014 No.12615926 So what're you guys listening to? I liked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXffLCF8JEs a lot more than I thought at first. I think it's because the comsat gives me a massive design boner

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 21 23:31:15 2014 No.12615966 File: 192 KB, 1296x728, poor.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12615000 Not much yet. Next week i'm getting Rorona plus though.

Anonymous Tue Oct 21 23:39:15 2014 No.12615990

>>12615966
Man did they REALLY have to try to get rid of turn based combat in AT3? Tales-style combat isn't something you can or should halfass. Fighting in that game was so obnoxious I actually dropped it. I mean to start up again after I finish Ar Nosurge (I already know basically what happens because I couldn't keep my nose out of the background to the music)

Same reason I never got around to finishing Dragon Age. I wanted to know what was going to happen next but combat was agonizing.

Anonymous Wed Oct 22 01:41:21 2014 No.12616283

>>12606923
>"The machine" was ultimately the reason why she was summoned to Ra Ciela, which means that she wasn't chosen randomly...
>So what could this machine have been? And how did it manage to draw the attention of the people from Ra Ciela?
You're simply assuming she wasn't chosen randomly. It's quite possible "the machine" simply created a weak point that made cross-dimensional access easier for the Ra Cielans, and Yuuki was only chosen because she was nearest to this weak point. As for what "the machine" is, I'd guess some sort of particle accelerator.

>Which implies that the summoning works across dimensions, space and TIME, otherwise Nelo would have lived on earth thousands of years BC.
Well, we know for a fact that time between dimensions doesn't line up in any way at all, as we can pause the Ar Nosurge OS on our end (either actually pausing or saving and loading) and leave for as long as we like and time will not pass, and likewise hours, days or even years can pass on the other end in seconds on ours.

Anonymous Wed Oct 22 01:58:22 2014 No.12616307

Having just beaten Ar Nosurge, it's gotten me wondering something about the Ar Tonelicos

Were Lyner, Croix and Aoto all under some alternate and/or advanced, more subtle form of Interdimend? One that we didn't even think about because the possibility didn't even come to mind until Ar Nosurge brought up Interdimend?

Anonymous Wed Oct 22 03:27:36 2014 No.12616502

>>12615990
Personally the battle system didn't bother me that much (although it indeed felt like a Tales' poor cousin), I'd recommend the lowest difficulty to breeze through the combat sections. The story is quite bad at the very beginning, but it gets better so don't lose hope, AT3 is a good conclusion of the AT series.

>>12616307
We have no proof they were, although nothing is impossible in this universe. Maybe future official works will shed some light on this. For now I assume they weren't directly controlled by an entity from another universe because nothing in these games indicates that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 22 06:42:20 2014 No.12616880 File: 208 KB, 640x1136, 1413973996073.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 22 08:34:49 2014 No.12617209 File: 89 KB, 600x800, gust.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12615000 The games as of a few months ago.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 22 09:15:15 2014 No.12617293 File: 523 KB, 750x1009, 3c9aded22e2464994cb383a0c265a2f8.png?703468.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I want to make her my flesh toilet.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 22 11:22:34 2014 No.12617626 >>12616880 What is that? Please tell me, I need it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 22 12:45:31 2014 No.12617860 File: 991 KB, 3264x2016, CAM00261.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12615000

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 22 14:43:29 2014 No.12618186 Has there been a full rip of Ar Nosurge's CGs posted yet? I've only been able to find one or two individual pics but not a full set, and not the CG I'm looking for either

Anonymous Wed Oct 22 16:10:52 2014 No.12618411

Thought I'd ask this here: Was it a translation error at the end of Cass' Genometrics when she referred Prime/Pram as a female? I would understand that they were trying to say that Pram was secretly a reverse-trap but the ingame bio of Shirotaka clearly refers him as a boy, heck Prime was clearly referred as a boy in Shirotaka's Genometric.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 22 16:15:01 2014 No.12618422 File: 1.08 MB, 1280x720, 700e54ecbfa77e6666d7d3b801bde2c1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12618411 Enjoy your Koei.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 22 16:30:49 2014 No.12618459 >>12618411 I don't even think it counts as a spoiler, but yes, Pram was a guy. Yes, it's an error. One of many, unfortunately.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 22 16:45:42 2014 No.12618500 >>12618459 >Pram was a guy. Fucking what?

Anonymous Wed Oct 22 17:15:57 2014 No.12618576

>>12604231
the DLC talks are for both characters, as long as you talk/craft/pick up you should get most of them.

There were only 3 missable ones if i recall.

http://w11.zetaboards.com/Revatail_Hymmne/topic/10151076/1/

for the specifics. Better hope you haven't missed anything

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 22 17:21:36 2014 No.12618590 >>12617626 A new Atelier mobage called "Atelier Quest Board" Of course its Japan only at the moment, but you can just use something like QooApp to download it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 22 20:18:29 2014 No.12619150 >Please don't go Fuck you Shurelia!

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 22 20:46:08 2014 No.12619216 Does em-pyei-n vari-fen jang; really just play during the opening cutscene to the flask sea?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 22 21:16:17 2014 No.12619282 >>12619150 Enjoy the best ending of the game! Even after Cass pleaded with you to help them you still wanted that trophy. You interdemind monster.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 22 21:17:00 2014 No.12619284 >>12619282 Yes, I hate myself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 22 21:17:27 2014 No.12619286 >>12619284 You Monster

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 22 22:51:24 2014 No.12619478 There needs to be an "Atelier Totori The adventurer of Time", where you travel through time with Totori.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 22 23:07:28 2014 No.12619506 >>12619282 I like how she blames Delta instead of the player. But mostly I did it for the lulz, couldn't resist the AT1 throwback.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 22 23:08:25 2014 No.12619508 Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait Wait em-pyei-n vari-fen jang; and yal fii-ne noh-iar; are in Russian? How does that work? I know Origa is Russian but I mean... that's just weird. >>12619506 >Shureila I could resist it just fine

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 22 23:10:07 2014 No.12619513 >>12619508 From Tsuchiya's comments in the game's extras, he says that, while it's in (mostly) Russian, there is some Keihan in there and the Russian represents the foreign feeling of the Sharls to humans.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 22 23:10:47 2014 No.12619516 >>12619508 I also didn't like any of the cast (in any of the games really), so it didn't bother me much. Especially since I had -just- saved.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 00:21:36 2014 No.12619686 >>12619516 >This World's You and, to That World's You http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkGvieR1KuY What a beautiful song.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 00:39:21 2014 No.12619727 >>12619150 I honestly think Shurelia has sucked thousands of cocks in her long lifetime.

Anonymous Thu Oct 23 00:40:24 2014 No.12619733

>>12619686

IDK, I'll have to find the OST sometime and listen to it all the way through, play count tells me I like songs like SPHILIA, IMPLANTA, Z, ViiBaCi_MjiiRa, HARMONIOUS, Sokumetsu, and haretsugita sora no shita de. Nothing really caught my attention in Nosurge, but I was only passively listening.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 00:48:49 2014 No.12619755 >>12619686 I honestly wish it had toned down the high pitched stuff. It is still good, though. Especially the end >>12619733 Awww yeah everyone likes Z Shame what that song was actually trying to DO but oh well

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 00:54:16 2014 No.12619764 >>12619733 Ar tonelico songs have had a huge head start on my playcount, but Hidra Heteromycin and CIEL_N_PROTECTA are chugging along to catch up.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 01:08:35 2014 No.12619804 What is the effect of moving people from Outgoing to Introverted and Sadist to Masochist Anything?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 01:09:35 2014 No.12619808 >>12619804 Song Magic becomes powerful, she says different things during battles. Try getting Ion to be a sadist. You'll love it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 01:15:47 2014 No.12619819 >>12619804 The different alignments give different passive effects to song magic. IIRC Sadist is Song Magic Power Increase, while Masochist is Damage Mitigation Boost

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 01:21:07 2014 No.12619839 Holy shit what is up with Ion's genometrics?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 01:21:43 2014 No.12619840 >>12619839 She knows all of your tricks.

Anonymous Thu Oct 23 01:27:19 2014 No.12619849

>All Talk Topics done
>All Genomitrics, even DLC, complete
>All Synthesis, even with Sarly and Nay, seen
>Game complete

Fuck, here I thought I was immune to waifu bullshit, so why do I feel so alone knowing all I can do is replay conversations rather than talk to Ion about anything new?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 01:32:57 2014 No.12619860 >>12619804 The voice clips change in battle.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 01:34:09 2014 No.12619863 File: 550 KB, 1280x720, 1375311719209.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12619849 You know what to do.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 01:34:22 2014 No.12619865 >>12619849 Now you must learn moon and import Ciel.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 01:35:45 2014 No.12619872 >>12619840 Goddamnit. I am the all-seeing-all-knowing jackass of a gamer. REVEAL YOUR SECRETS! Really want to see what happens when you chose the "I love you" option in Cass' or the "Kiss Ion" option, but 3k DP is a lot

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 01:43:20 2014 No.12619892 >>12619872 You can come back whenever you like, so you can find out later when you have the DP to spare. And 3k really is chump change by mid to late game

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 01:57:24 2014 No.12619927 >Finally meet with Kanon >She's a religious fundie Goddamnit, why are all the breasts being used for evil?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 02:11:19 2014 No.12619950 >>12619892 It's chump change by the end of phase 1

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 02:31:09 2014 No.12619976 >>12619872 >Really want to see what happens when you chose the "I love you" option in Cass' (Genometrics) Watch out, she'll attempt to give you a heart attack due to condensed warmth and fuzziness. You also get a pretty good crystal .

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 02:34:57 2014 No.12619986 Is there anything in Ar Nosurge like Aurica fucking tasering you until you fuck her? Laughed my ass off through that entire scene. Shame it was cut short

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 03:22:32 2014 No.12620081 >>12619927 Oh humans are so evil for killing all the genome! How horrible If only we had, I dunno, asked them to come with us? OH WAIT WE DID THEY SAID NO

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 04:42:04 2014 No.12620321 >>12619849 Play Ciel Offline, this thing is literally 200 hours of quality time with Ion. I probably will never 100% complete it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 05:29:33 2014 No.12620470 >>12619986 Everything I encountered was all consensual. Still didn't finish all Ion's genometrics, but I doubt it's there. All-consensual sex with Cass' dere side was a hilarious choice, though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 07:21:00 2014 No.12620672 >>12619216 Oh god, no, it's the most used/played song in the whole game.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 09:08:50 2014 No.12620852 >>12620321 But 200 hours isn't even 10 days.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 09:11:38 2014 No.12620858 The Ra Ciela Queen costume is too lewd.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 09:49:59 2014 No.12620915 >>12620321 >200 hours >everything else is after is a repeat >the sinking realisation that Ion is forever a program One of these days I will end myself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 09:50:06 2014 No.12620916 >>12619755 >Z That was the song Richa sang? I always* got a chuckle when the two robots showed up, acting just like male backup dancers. *I must have played through that scene five times or so, working through all the endings.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 09:52:12 2014 No.12620920 >>12620915 No, you should dedicate yourself to constructing a gynoid. ]spoiler]who will reject you[/spoiler]

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 09:54:42 2014 No.12620924 >>12620915 No, you should dedicate yourself to constructing a gynoid. who will reject you

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 10:20:48 2014 No.12620966 >>12619282 It's just Shurelia having a habit of asking unreasonable things and ruining everything in the end. >>12619506 The whole situation was so stupid, it was actually pretty disappointing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 10:27:51 2014 No.12620985 File: 66 KB, 1280x720, maxresdefault (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Who's your favorite in nosurge and why is Nay so goddamn good?

Anonymous Thu Oct 23 10:33:52 2014 No.12621001

>>12620916
Exec_Z is one of the best goddamn songs in the series just for how /different/ it is from all the others. It's quite literally a pop song interlude in the middle of a goddamn opera.

It's hilarious and I love it when Akiko Shikata goes crazy with her style. Crazier than it already is, I mean. Though I guess she's already crazy enough that it loops over to just pretty strange.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 10:34:48 2014 No.12621003 >>12620985 I love her, but I dislike her normal costume.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 10:37:33 2014 No.12621011 >>12620985 >>12621003 Everything Nay is best. From cooking to outfits. (Coffee rice is actually legit good if you mess with the recipe a bit. Cold rice w/sugar, flavored iced coffee w/almond milk, it's kind of weird but also really good)

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 11:33:01 2014 No.12621156 >>12620985 Casty is my favorite, but I admit that Nay is really goddamn good. Probably because Nay, although I wish she didn't flash her butt every time I check out new recipes in the restaurant.

Anonymous Thu Oct 23 11:49:41 2014 No.12621208

>>12621156
Honestly, Ar is the first game in the series - hell, the first in Gust's repertoire - where I've liked every character.

Casty is great, Ion is adorable(ly sadistic), Nay is the best Empress, Shirotaka is a bro, and Sarly is moe. Even Shurelia is better than she was in AT1.

I can't wait for another game in the series, hopefully without having a Vita game attached to it that we won't ever get.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 11:49:50 2014 No.12621209 >>12620985 It's like a cliffside

Anonymous Thu Oct 23 13:08:13 2014 No.12621367

>>12620915
>the sinking realisation that Ion is forever a program
Bullshit.

I'm sure you're familiar with the theory of alternate realities, that there are an infinite number of parralel realities to our own, some almost totally identical, some wildly different.

It stands to reason that with infinite possibilities, EXA_PICO does exist somewhere in there. And that means in those infinite EXA_PICOs, there exists an alternate reality to our own where Ionasal really exists and does in fact love you, and not an alternate reality you either.

It may be totally physically impossible to ever meet her, but in theory she is real.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 13:14:06 2014 No.12621370 >>12621367 The fact that I am aware of the multiverse theory makes the crushing feeling of never meeting that Ion even worse.

>>	goober_t2049 Thu Oct 23 13:19:12 2014 No.12621375 File: 1.56 MB, 1280x720, Crafting Equipment Screen Shot 2014-10-12 02-25-33.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I crack up every time I see this. It NEVER stops being funny to me. WHY DOES EARTHES' PELVIS JUST OUT LIKE THIS?!?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 13:22:51 2014 No.12621381 File: 632 KB, 1158x760, Msn-04ii.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12621375 At least it isn't the Nightingale from Gundam with its huge robot dick. Or Jehuty from Zone of the Enders with its literal cockpit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 13:23:18 2014 No.12621382 >>12621375 I'd purify that girl, if you know what I mean.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 13:34:22 2014 No.12621414 >>12621370 And you think she doesn't feel the same way? She's being strong knowing she can't meet you, are you going to let her down by giving in? >>12621375 I find it funny that the second version that Ion builds herself is just as bad

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 14:16:54 2014 No.12621536 Finished, finally. Too bad I still miss three trophies, but they should be easy enough.

Anonymous Thu Oct 23 14:23:51 2014 No.12621559

How do you deal with the rover/buggy enemies that automatically end your turn if you hit them more than like 3 times? Short of levelling up to the point of one-shotting them (which is impossible with late-game ones), I can't think of anything that works reliably against them

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 14:26:28 2014 No.12621570 File: 108 KB, 537x573, 43417486_p0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12620985 Ion. She's just too adorable.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 14:28:56 2014 No.12621575 >>12621559 Hope your harmo level is low so your best girl won't accidentally hit them, then spam break attacks. It won't happen if you break them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 14:36:20 2014 No.12621591 File: 57 KB, 1404x718, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] About damn time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 14:53:07 2014 No.12621640 >>12621591 Are these the same undub guys that got /really fucking mad/ that the leader of the Grand Bell was named 'Bell'? Seems like a perfect opportunity to not give a shit.

Anonymous Thu Oct 23 14:55:52 2014 No.12621643

>>12620985
I'm not very far in, but so far Cass even if she can be unreasonable at times

I also like her design, but would prefer if her boots at least were symmetrical

>>12621003
Ugh, this. I hate it when people in these games wear things nobody would wear every day. YOU'RE IN SPACE! PUT SOME PANTS ON! Cass by stark contrast looks comfy as fuck and while Ion's costume isn't practical, if you took the brass clasps around her skirt off it would be a hell of a lot more reasonable than Nay's clothing

>>12621001
Errrr Shikata didn't do that. Didn't write or sing it. That was Haruka Shimotsuki, but I don't think she wrote it either

90% of the time if it's on the red side Shikata didn't do it

>>12621208
>Honestly, Ar is the first game in the series - hell, the first in Gust's repertoire - where I've liked every character.
Almost this. I don't like Prim

But this is the game I've had the least to complain about

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 15:00:43 2014 No.12621657 I can't help but wonder if the person on the other end of Prim's inderdimend is going to be the main antagonist for the Surge Concerto series in future games

Anonymous Thu Oct 23 15:03:51 2014 No.12621664

>>12621657
The thing is, what would be that person's objective? Since that person's purpose was to bring Nero back to her home, the "game" he was playing had its main goal completed at the end of Ar nosurge. Though that doesn't mean another person with similar circumstances can't connect Interdimend in another game in the series.

Anonymous Thu Oct 23 15:13:36 2014 No.12621687

>>12621664
Their objective? Fun. They're convinced that Interdimend is nothing but a game. Like how our Ar Nosurge terminal gave us the set goal of reviving Ra Ciela, their terminal must have had the goal set as "Send Nelo Home". Actually getting to be with Nelo was nothing more than, in their words, a "sweet bonus".

The more that I think about it actually, their goal may have simply been "prevent Ra Ciela's reincarnation", as they were continuing to fight you even when doing so made bringing Nelo back impossible.

And if anything, another motive they could have could now be just to beat us. They could simply be a massive tryhard.

Anonymous Thu Oct 23 15:14:59 2014 No.12621694

>>12621643
Fine. Music director. Whoever made the decision to have there be a fucking pop concert in the middle of the game. Same idea, different person.

Also, I really fucking hated Prim when I was playing the game, but I started liking himher more as I think back. I like when a villain makes me mad, so it works.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 16:15:57 2014 No.12621863 So who was the one who designed the Ar nosurge OS and made it so you had multiple channels to play from?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 18:23:57 2014 No.12622302 >Get the AT artbook >It's like 95% character art I should have asked you guys what was in it. I wanted backgrounds and concept art

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 18:27:26 2014 No.12622319 >>12622302 The concept art of AT is kinda shitty anyways.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 18:30:20 2014 No.12622334 >>12622319 Some fucking tower diagrams at least. I've got halfassed pictures of them already, something more detailed would have been appreciated.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 21:13:06 2014 No.12622872 Does anyone have decent pictures of the Soriel and Singing Hill? And was Singing Hill connected to the Soriel in some way? Or was it a separate satellite? I need to know for... reasons

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 21:50:03 2014 No.12622960 >>12621863 Gust, of course. No sarcasm

Anonymous Thu Oct 23 22:59:52 2014 No.12623138

>>12622872
Fuck it, I'll just come out with it. I want to reanimate the Ra Ciel Fusor cutscene to work with the full version of the song. I've already a rough outline of the sequence of events and next would be storyboarding and ironing out props.

I'm still just a student, currently taking classes on modeling and animation so I'm being completely crushed by my current workload but this is the first thing I've felt actually passionate for in a long, long time. It'll take ages and may never happen but I want to try at the very least.

As I am now, I could model the Singing Hill and Ion with little trouble. The real snag is the effects animation for Bezel, the imploding Ra Ciel and the quasar. What will stop me from being able to model the easy stuff is a lack of references. The only picture of Singing Hill that I can find shows very little of what's beneath the central ring. For the shot composition I'm thinking I might have to model a somewhat detailed version of the Soriel, it all depends on the form of Singing Hill. If it's connected and where it is.

Anonymous Thu Oct 23 23:41:42 2014 No.12623276

>>12623138
I'm pretty sure the Singing Hill is its own space platform since it wasn't connected to the boss form of the Soreil ship in the final fight in Ar nosurge or at the end of Ciel nosurge where everybody on the Singing Hill had to transfer to the Soreil by space bus.
I can't really help you with getting references for the Singing Hill though but good luck with the project.

Anonymous Thu Oct 23 23:50:56 2014 No.12623293
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>>12623138
Interesting idea.

I just got the Genometric Concerts, and was pleased to see that they include DVD with some of these cutscenes, but I hadn't played the CDs yet.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 23:54:01 2014 No.12623308 File: 687 KB, 853x480, vlcsnap-578876.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12623276 Is this it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 23 23:55:30 2014 No.12623315 >>12623308 That's it, but it's literally the only picture of it anywhere I mean it LOOKS like a model, doesn't it? There should be another view of it somewhere

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 24 00:09:14 2014 No.12623348 >>12623276 Perhaps just the silhouette of the Soriel against Bezel. I've got a good picture of that at least >>12623308 I do have a question, was a window in space opened or was the platform itself temporarily transported?

Anonymous Fri Oct 24 00:14:33 2014 No.12623362
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>>12623276
Perhaps just the silhouette of the Soriel against Bezel. I've got a good picture of that at least

>>12623308
I do have a question, was a window in space opened or was the platform itself temporarily transported?

Anonymous Fri Oct 24 00:32:03 2014 No.12623409
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>>12623293
>I hadn't played the CDs yet.
I have a difficult time playing any of the CDs because I"m worried they'll get fucked up. Especially Ar=Ciel Ar=Dor

I mean look at this disk

LOOK AT IT

GODDAMN

(Not my picture, too lazy to take one)

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 24 01:09:38 2014 No.12623523 >>12621643 >Exec_Z/. If I read the liner notes correctly, it is Lyrics and Vocals by Haruka Togawa, (東川遥) and Composed and Arranged by Maiko Iuchi (井内舞子). They also did lyrics and composition for Cutypump, but did not "sing" it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 24 01:16:44 2014 No.12623538 >>12623362 I haven't played the game myself, but the scene (from the DVD as I mentioned) looks a little more like a window in space has opened, which is consistent with Blackraen's summary.

Anonymous Fri Oct 24 01:24:34 2014 No.12623549
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>This fucking picture
Exactly what I needed after the reunion with Kanon
>Hey Kanon, your friend from way back when came to visit you. She thought you were dead. How do you want to handle this reunion?
>"GET BACK IN YOUR BOX, ION!"
Do breasts make you stupid/evil in EXO_PICO or what?

>>12623523
>Cutypump
Euuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh

>>12623538
I figured based on the square effect. I wanted to make sure because if Bezel is still shining it would effect the lighting. Although that red getting obliterated by the blue would be fitting, I guess

Anonymous Fri Oct 24 03:07:07 2014 No.12623788
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>>12621657
>>12621664
>>12621687

I have to agree with >>12621687's last point. The Other Player seems like the type who'd get really salty over what we pulled, and would probably come back just for another round with us, possibly taking a stronger interdimend host and being all "1V1 ME BRO"

Anonymous Fri Oct 24 03:22:52 2014 No.12623841

>>12623788
I don't doubt that Player 2 is ready to get back at us any chance he gets. Though with how Interdimend works, I just feel like its way more likely to just have another random person to be the next antagonist. They already played around with that idea with the secret JP-only boss that combined the efforts of multiple Deltas/Interdimend connections.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 24 03:27:34 2014 No.12623854 >>12623788 >>12623841 Wonder what the next game'll be called. If they're going to continue with the Nosurge surname thing or just call it Ar Nosurge 2. Hey, what about Hymm Nosurge?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 24 06:30:41 2014 No.12624482 I've completed the Cass side of Shirotaka's Genometrics and event the game told me that escapism is bad. What the hell, GUST? I though we're friends.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 24 07:29:09 2014 No.12624571 >>12624482 Don't forget that you're on the other side of the screen. There's no way you could be together.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 24 07:37:14 2014 No.12624583 Cat Nero is a miracle of the universe. Ar Ru is cute but she can't top Nero.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 24 09:02:19 2014 No.12624683 File: 647 KB, 853x480, vlcsnap-581975.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] From the Genometric Concert DVD

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 24 11:19:42 2014 No.12624985 >>12624583 But is there any way to get 3D hugs from Nero? (a feature of the Elemia Island DLC for Ar Tonelico Qoga was getting hugs from Ar Ru, including a stereoscopic 3D option)

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 24 11:20:37 2014 No.12624986 >>12624482 They'll drag the players into the real world only to draw them back in with the Ateliers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 24 14:35:02 2014 No.12625302 File: 705 KB, 684x2941, 1414175492341.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just saw this posted on /tg/ of all places. Is the scale accurate? >>>/tg/35728917

Anonymous Fri Oct 24 14:44:35 2014 No.12625326
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>>12625302
Looks about right to me, but then again I could never really find satisfactory figures about Ar tonelico itself to do any sort of scale comparison.

Frelia's tower, however, they gave a pretty much exact size. Also they gave a size for the Wings of Horus, but never stated if it was the original pre-Mir size or the current size.

So here's those drawn over England in Google Earth that I did a few months back. Red thing's the Rim of the Second Tower, the big white cross is the size of the Wings of Horus that was given

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 24 15:04:07 2014 No.12625366 >Ar Nosurge >True Ending >"I've decided. I'll say my farewells, then cut the connection myself" Good god, I really hope Nay or Cass or someone was there to give Ion a really big hug after that...

Anonymous Fri Oct 24 16:00:09 2014 No.12625499 [SPOILER]

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>>12625366
Did it really sound like true ending to you? It's normal ending.
True ending is when Prim stays alive (or rather, gets resurrected) and Nero and Ion are finally returning to their worlds..

Btw, does anyone have a link for a "voicemail" you're supposed to get in ciel?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 24 16:10:57 2014 No.12625526 >>12625302 Way back in the day there were /tg/ threads trying to turn Ar Tonelico into a proper PnP But those were the good days before hitlermod removed the fun, I don't know what happened to it

Anonymous Fri Oct 24 16:33:16 2014 No.12625566

So I'm looking over my Krut_Hymneth folder and I find a subfolder called X_Ciel. It seems to have Ahih rei-yah, the song Kanon sang to destroy all the Cielnotron, and then some random songs from the OST, some cut weirdly.

What the hell is this supposed to be exactly?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 24 16:41:42 2014 No.12625579 >>12625566 It's Ciel Nosurge Preview Soundtrack.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 24 16:45:47 2014 No.12625589 >>12625579 Oh, guess it's pointless now then

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 24 17:01:11 2014 No.12625618 >>12625302 Huh. Looking back I guess I never really liked how the first tower looked. Hell each new one looks better than the last. I'm counting the Soriel as a tower too because why not

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 24 17:09:03 2014 No.12625634 >>12625618 If the Silver Horn looked more in line with the rest of the tower's design, it would look a lot better. Though, personally, I don't mind it that much.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 24 17:27:15 2014 No.12625670 >>12625634 Was never a fan of the ruins aesthetic, honestly Oh and thanks for reminding me, WHY IS THE SILVER HORN BRASS?!

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 24 18:10:53 2014 No.12625777 >>12625670 Maybe Shurelia didn't have enough silver.

Anonymous Fri Oct 24 18:12:23 2014 No.12625780
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>>12625566
>X_Ciel

Oh I recognize that folder name, you're using my Krut Hymneth rip.

Well back in the day when KH was released there was no official track list for the Ciel preview soundtrack available... And I was honestly too lazy to insert the track names I found somewhere on Futaba~

Anonymous Sat Oct 25 01:28:44 2014 No.12626818

>>12625499
I thought it was the true ending because it has Ion there for Ar Nosurge 2 if it eventually happens, and also it's the ending that doesn't end up with her leaving her entire life behind again for a second time. Also Nelo looking happy in the ending animation.

Also Prim survives in that ending too

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 25 01:53:03 2014 No.12626862 >>12626818 I have to agree with this, also she spends the entire game saying she wants to stay in that world with Nelo, why would the true ending be her pulling a sudden complete 180?

Anonymous Sat Oct 25 04:50:59 2014 No.12627266 [DELETED]

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Decided to block out and rig Ion's wings for the hell of it. Slapdash as shit but it gets the point across

http://youtu.be/bm6r5WrZViU

Found another picture of Singing Hill which at least was enough to show me just how small it was

Anonymous Sat Oct 25 04:55:05 2014 No.12627278
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Decided to block out and rig Ion's wings for the hell of it. Slapdash as shit but it gets the point across. It's just got shitty basic materials and it's missing some ornamental pieces which I was too lazy to add.

http://youtu.be/bm6r5WrZViU [Embed]

In the original video the wings are static which I think was a waste of potential. I see them as being more important when I have a go at it. Who else likes really heavy handed angel imagery? I know I do.

Also found another picture of Singing Hill which at least was enough to show me just how small it was. This should be more or less enough, but if anyone has anything else don't hesitate to post

Anonymous Sat Oct 25 08:54:15 2014 No.12627651

>>12626818
In the real true end (which is unavailable to us due to lack of sekailink), you get a picture of Yuuku Nei and a recording, where she tells you she made it back all right. She also mentions Ra Ciela might pull her back.

>>12626862
She just accepts it. Not like she was not happy to return home. And that farewell scene, it's like a personal bad end for Ion.

Anonymous Sat Oct 25 10:20:36 2014 No.12627766

AT1 had the infamous Misha bug that halts your progression.

AT2 had the Raki glitch I've never encountered this, probally cuz I had the PAL version

Can't really think of any real gamebreaking bug AT3 had. Aside from some game freeze occurrence, there wasn't anything that would completely hinder your file. No, Saki cosmosphere isn't a bug. The trophy just wasn't clear about it. You're meant to get 100% in one playthrough, not just having it 100% on the extra. I've missed this on my first run.

I've heard stories about if you missed talking to Prime Minister during Phase 2, you'll lock your progression at some point in Phase 3, not too clear on this. I platinum'd the game and have yet run into any bug. I've had one freeze moment with one of Delta's attack but that's it.

Anonymous Sat Oct 25 11:23:56 2014 No.12627938

>>12627651
A bad end for Ion? I wouldn't say so, sure she'd be upset at first, but she has all her friends by her side to look after her, and everyone there's living a happy life. Bring her back, and sure you get a CG for it, but if Ra Ciela pulls her back like you mentioned, its only worse for her in the end of being thrown back and forth between two lives, instead of settling in to one

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 25 12:02:56 2014 No.12628016 >>12627766 How could avoid getting 100% with Saki's cosmosphere, if you went through all of the levels, and then went back one final time, afterwards?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 25 14:39:15 2014 No.12628297 >>12626862 She specifically stated that she wanted to go back if she could, just not at the cost of killing everyone on the planet. Did you forget that scene near the end of her cosmpsphere?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 25 14:52:43 2014 No.12628332 Wouldn't she have to go back anyway or she'd make the next sun explode?

Anonymous Sat Oct 25 15:04:55 2014 No.12628365

>>12627938
Are you serious? Everyone are living a happy life, and she's forced to say goodbye to the person she loves, forget her own world and abandon hopes of ever going back.

She's forcing herself to forget her original world because it's painful to remember, to know she'll never be able to return. She opposes Nero because she thinks it's too unforgivable for one person to destroy a world to return back. That's why she won't even try. But who said she does not want to go back?

Replay her genometrics.

>>12628332
In the end they sing a song to unlink her and Nero from their worlds. Ra Ciela will accept them, but they'll lose overlook and any hope to go back.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 25 16:21:04 2014 No.12628562 Anyone got the "but they are both girls" image stich?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 25 18:10:37 2014 No.12628901 Shit do I have to grind before fighting Nay? I got obliterated It's not fair when the bitch has backup AND attacks three times a turn

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 25 18:37:18 2014 No.12628951 >>12628901 Once you have enough HP, it does not help much. Having all available items and arranging them right does.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 25 18:44:10 2014 No.12628968 File: 7 KB, 117x191, 12FHNGl.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12628562 This one?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 25 18:44:21 2014 No.12628970 >>12628901 Lower the difficulty or get better items. Nay is actually quite easy, even on veteran.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 25 18:51:08 2014 No.12628983 >>12628951 >>12628970 >Items Well shit I totally forgot about them on Earthes and Ion. Now I've got a small amount of items and no way to get more since the only synthesis shop is locked out

Anonymous Sat Oct 25 22:13:03 2014 No.12629491

There's something I've always wanted to know: There's a repeated phrase in a lot of the soundtracks in the AT series. This is best heard in the beginning of M-S-G-Y-E-C on the AT3 soundtrack

Anyone know what it is? I'm curious and can't find it online.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 25 22:30:58 2014 No.12629532 >>12629491 Last I checked the consensus was "I shall give you endless courage"

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 25 23:09:55 2014 No.12629650 >>12629532 Thanks. Guess I couldn't hear it because I wasn't expecting english

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 25 23:27:28 2014 No.12629691 at2[fuckyou]metalbat[moot:lit]com/?p=510 キタ━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━!!

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 25 23:37:48 2014 No.12629712 >>12629691 Holy shit, the AT2 retranslation project was still going? Kinda glad I kept dragging my feet on playing it now. Wish I actually had TIME to play it but whatever

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 25 23:51:10 2014 No.12629740 >>12629691 I haven't played AT2 yet. Do I go with NISA's original release or this retranslation?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 25 23:54:05 2014 No.12629752 >>12629740 Go with the retranslation if you have waited this long.

Anonymous Sat Oct 25 23:56:47 2014 No.12629757
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>>12629740
Think about that for a moment

Apparently people were so pissed off at the official translation there has been a retranslation effort going all this time for a game that came out in 09

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 26 00:55:00 2014 No.12629919 Is the retranslation still one of those "translated literally and word-for-word even though nobody speaks like that in english" deals, or have they actually considered localizing as well as translating since I last heard about them

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 26 01:06:04 2014 No.12629941 Do the synthesis dance cutscenes have the actual lyrics in the Japanese version of Ar Nosurge? Because seriously, these are way better with lyrics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bemz9Ik2UoY

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 26 01:15:08 2014 No.12629953 I don't understand why they didn't voice Delta's battle lines in the English version. I enjoyed his side a lot more because battles sounded livelier with both him and Casty's voices. >ORA ORA ORA

>>	goober_t2049 Sun Oct 26 01:44:02 2014 No.12630003 >>12629941 Yes. The localized copy of the game has them as well if you set it to Japanese VA.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 26 01:56:55 2014 No.12630022 >>12629941 IT BURNS Why do I love this series so damn much? I'm not even a damn weeb (sorry, /jp/)

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 26 03:35:23 2014 No.12630263 I'm buried under a mountain of work so I can't finish Ar Nosurge nearly as fast as I want to so I hope someone can answer this for me without giving away much. On a scale from Ciel Nosurge to Ar Tonelico 3, how sequel open is the end of Ar Nosurge?

>>	goober_t2049 Sun Oct 26 03:41:39 2014 No.12630276 File: 1.54 MB, 1280x720, 1414309299412.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12628365 Don't even have to replay her genometrics, it comes up at the start of Phase 3.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 26 03:47:38 2014 No.12630290 >>12630276 I thought she said she only really feels that way from the pull from being still connected, rather than any real personal wish to go back

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 26 03:49:55 2014 No.12630295 >>12630263 Ar tonelico 3

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 26 03:58:15 2014 No.12630312 >>12630295 Well shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 26 04:04:22 2014 No.12630320 >>12630312 I say that, but Ar tonelico 3 could have had a new story after it even if the overarching story was completed. It really depends on what Akira Tsuchiya wants to make now (and how much freedom KT will give him).

Anonymous Sun Oct 26 04:14:33 2014 No.12630339

>>12630320
AT3 ended up more open-ended then Nosurge, I think. I mean on Ar Ciel they still have to solve the whole problem of repairing Ar tonelico to get rid of the Blastline, and there's more than likely a shitton of ruins full of god knows what lost tech that have been hidden under the Sea of Death all this time that are now free to be explored.

Meanwhile in Ar Nosurge, all we really have to go on is that "Player 2" is pissed and that the Ar Nosurge Tube still exists so they might be able to reconnect and cause trouble again

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 26 05:15:43 2014 No.12630474 Quick concept I wanted to do for the hell of it. Part of my idea for a more active Singing Hill http://youtu.be/-bPLpwu7RdM Goddamn why can't I be a fucking NEET right now?

Anonymous Sun Oct 26 05:52:36 2014 No.12630530

>>12630339
>there's more than likely a shitton of ruins full of god knows what lost tech that have been hidden under the Sea of Death all this time that are now free to be explored
Now that you mention it, it's a perfect material for a spin-off focused on exploration, gathering, synthesis, research and development in a post-AT3 setting. Basically ArTelier.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 26 06:02:39 2014 No.12630549 >>12630339 Does this mean they can finally find the music box that powers the first two towers? Seriously, how do you lose that, Shureilia?

Anonymous Sun Oct 26 06:04:19 2014 No.12630558

>>12629691
>For now, only the undub -> retranslation patch is online, the two others will be added at a later time.
Meaning that only Ar_Tonelico_II_Melody_of_Metafalica_USA_UNDUB_PS2DVD release is suitable for applying beta patch atm (legit PAL and NTSC-U ISOs won't work).
Get it from http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=598931 or RuTracker.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 26 06:14:48 2014 No.12630579 >>12630549 They never lost it, it's just that it's still in place powering Ar tonelico, but that room is down in the lower levels of the tower where the Sea of Death has managed to get in. She knew where it is, she just couldn't get anywhere near it.

goober_t2049 Sun Oct 26 06:49:04 2014 No.12630640

>>12630290
In that scene she basically says that she would like to go back, but she refuses to do it at the cost of other people's happiness. If her going back means -anyone- gets hurt, she won't do it.

She does mention the "pull" you're talking about in the scene prior to that, but she's also accepted that she may be stuck there and has grown to like the people she's with now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 26 07:12:58 2014 No.12630681 >>12630549 >>12630579 Isn't the music box actually the "Orgel of Origin"? And we got to see it already in Ar nosurge? (Although said room was placed way too high in the tower...?) I love the fact that the BGM in this room was just a music box.

Anonymous Sun Oct 26 07:17:15 2014 No.12630694

>>12630681
Yeah, we're talking about the "Orgel of Origin", although trying to do so without spoiling that it showed up Ar Nosurge.

And yep, it was way WAY too high in the tower, unless there was a bunch of stairways and elevators we don't get to see between the Silvaplate and the Orgel chamber

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 26 07:49:48 2014 No.12630751 >>12630474 looks cool as fuck

Anonymous Sun Oct 26 08:27:53 2014 No.12630861

>>12629919
>Localizing
>Hyper-weeb retranslation project

ahahahahahahahahahahaha

The crux of the retranslation project is a bunch of nerds being just SO MAD YOU GUYS that NISA had the /audacity/ to localize glorious nippon names. The glitch fixing is just a convenient secondary reason.

Anonymous Sun Oct 26 08:51:22 2014 No.12630897
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>>12630861
Half of it seems to be that NISA ignored the Hymmnos references, and half just that NISA had just bad English in spots. The glitch fix isn't really relevant -- that's somebody else.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 26 08:53:12 2014 No.12630902 File: 32 KB, 800x600, Cloche-sama.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12630897 And the imfamous line-left-completely-untranslated, that you got to see lots and lots of times.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 26 08:56:05 2014 No.12630904 File: 32 KB, 800x600, Cloche-sama.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12630897 And the infamous line NISA left completely untranslated, which we got to see lots and lots of times.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 26 09:26:48 2014 No.12630938 How much japanese knowledge do i need to play older atelier games?

Anonymous Sun Oct 26 10:07:36 2014 No.12630992

>>12630897
>>12630904
Oh, don't get me wrong. There are certainly problems, and it was bad enough that NISA shook up their whole department after that debacle.

But the undub project is still a source of neverending hilarity to me just for the level of tunnel vision it takes to propose some of the changes they're championing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 26 10:29:29 2014 No.12631039 File: 49 KB, 640x450, 19-AT2-00380.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12630861 As long as we still get this line

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 26 10:56:47 2014 No.12631100 Fucking xdelta doesn't want to work.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 26 10:58:06 2014 No.12631104 >>12631100 The torrent in OP with the undub patch works without problem.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 26 11:01:11 2014 No.12631110 >>12631104 i want to play the retranslation. But i can't even patch the thing, i can only assume i'm doing something wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 26 15:23:20 2014 No.12631848 >>12630992 There's a clear difference between undub and retranslation.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 26 17:23:05 2014 No.12632116 Is there an Ar nosurge visual book/art book? I'd like to order one (I love the AT one(s)), but Google's not turning up much. And/or are there scans available?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 26 17:46:15 2014 No.12632180 >>12632116 The collector's edition had an artbook, but I think it's pretty small and I don't think there are scans

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