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VNTS !!UcDDlzwANFs Sun Oct 5 00:51:04 2014 No.12556698 [Reply] [Original]

Visual Novel translation status

12Riven- 44.5/72 scripts translated, 3/75 scripts edited
Air (Project 1)- Through QC, some tech work remains before patch
>Amagami - 1st day patch Released for PS2/PSP, "1072/2308 original edition scenario scripts translated (46.4%)"
Amairo IsleNauts - prologue and common route fully translated, Shirley route 10% TL, Masaki 18.5% TL, Konoka 10% TL, bonus 20% TL, prologue patch out
Cannonball - Fully translated and edited, in QC
Clover Day - 500/648 KB of the common route + 74/722 KB of a route translated
Cocoro Function - 14735/53644 (27.47%) lines translated
Haruka Na Sora - Sora 11.29% translated, Kozue 23.73% translated
Hatsukoi 1/1 - Being translated
Killer Queen - Through QC, sorting out final issues, plans also include translating Secret Game and Rebellion
Koichoco - 100% translated, 228/397 files edited
>Koiken Otome - 89.79% translated, 69.75% edited, prologue patch released
>Koisuru Natsu no Last Resort - 21998/36325 (60.56%) lines translated, Common + Umi + Riho route translated
Kud Wafter - 11789/33132 (35.58%) lines translated
>Kurukuru Fanatic - 67.4% translated
Lamune - Nanami route partial patch released, Hikari route 1436/6085 lines translated
Little Busters - Original released, work ongoing with EX./ME content, now a joint project with Doki. 25784/30163 new lines translated
>Lovely Cation- 979 / 26959 (3.63%) lines translated
Magical Marriage Lunatics - ~12% translated, ~8% edited
Muv-Luv Altered Fable - 65% partial patch released
Muv-Luv TDA 01 - 50% translated

VNTS !!UcDDlzwANFs Sun Oct 5 00:51:19 2014 No.12556699

>Noble Works - 17,902 / 57,690 (30.8%) lines translated, partial patch released
Oreimo PSP - 100% translated, 208/299 through TLC+Editing, 193/299 scripts finalized, Kirino + Ayase partial patch released
Oreimo Tsuzuku - 185/268 scripts translated, 78/268 through TLC+Editing, 64/268 scripts finalized
Popotan - 6% translated
Princess Maker 5- 85.89% lines translated, 28.13% of lines finalized
Rance 5D - 35% translated
Rance 6 - 5% translated
Rance Quest - 14.84% messages and 69.72% strings translated
Rose Guns Days 3 - 60% translated and edited
>SakuSaku - Common route + Konami route fully translated, 20400/49257 (41%) lines translated, 14958/49257 (30%) lines finalized
>Sanarara R - 2/124 scripts translated, partial patches released weekly
Sonicomi - 211/18196 (0.6%) lines translated
SonoHana 10 - Being translated
SonoHana 11 - Being translated
SubaHibi - Down the Rabbit Hole I patch released, 48564/53520 (90.7%) lines translated and 40597/53520 (75.9%) lines edited
Sukisho! - First Limit - Fully translated, 81.40% finalized, partial patch released
>Supreme Candy - ~14573/43261 (~33.7%) lines translated
Tasogaredoki no Kyoukaisen - 100% translated, in editing
To Heart2- 67% translated- "The final product is still years away unless I get more help. ", new alpha patch released
>Witch's Garden - 10986/53734 (20.45%) lines translated
White Album 2 - Opening chapter fully translated with a "rough patch", Closing Chapter: 3024/35275 (8.57%) lines translated
Yoakemae Yori Ruriiro Na - 100% translated and edited, 54% QC, partial patch released
>Yosuga no Sora - Translation status is Common route 100%, Sora route 100%, Nao 70.58%, Kazuha 100%, Akira 84.64%, Motoka 30.67%, Common and Kazuha fully edited

VNTS !!UcDDlzwANFs Sun Oct 5 00:52:26 2014 No.12556702

Official work

MangaGamer
Cartagra - demo released, October 31st full release
Kyoudai Hiai - Beta complete
Yome no Imouto to no Inai - In scripting
Royal Guard Melissa - Beta complete
Princess Evangile - In beta
Space Pirate Sara - In scripting
Kara no Shoujo 2 - 26.5% translated, 22.1% edited
Free Friends - Fully translated and edited
Free Friends 2 - 16% translated, 16% edited
Bokuten - 40.0% translated, 10.1% edited
Da Capo 3 - Prologue + Ch. 0 complete, Common route 48.2% translated, overall 26.3%
Higurashi (retranslation) - 14.5% of Watanagashi TL, Onikakushi editing finished
Gahkthun - 41.2% translated, 18.9% edited
No Thank You - In scripting, demo beta in testing
OZMAFIA - Main route: 18.5% translated, overall 3.8% translated
Eden - Fully translated, 60.4% edited
Euphoria - 40.2% translated, 1.6% edited
House in Fata Morgana - 6.8% translated
Supipara - Intend to fund through Eden's sales

JAST
Romanesque - Nearly finished, now in preorder
Hanachirasu - 99% complete
Django - Couple more months of translation
Sumaga- Fully translated, in editing
Seinarukana- Mostly translated
Starless - In translation
Trample on Schatten- translation about half done
Shiny Days - Translation finished
Raidy III - TL finished, in insertion
Sweet Home - In translation
Sumeragi Ryoko - Picked up

Sekai Project
World End Economica- Chapter 2 by end of year
Fault -milestone one- - end of the year release
Grisaia no Kajitsu - All ages PC release based on the Vita release planned
Clannad - picked up
>WAS Lepidoptera no Sunadokey - Picked up, kickstarter planned for voices

Other
Tears to Tiara II - October 14th release
Moenovel is working on another title
Eiyuu Senki - PS3 version picked up
Lucky Dog - Possible iOS released based on the ongoing text only fanTL
Work being done on a fanTL of Shin Koihime with hopes of getting it licensed

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>Stuff like this has been either added or updated since the last thread

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 00:55:45 2014 No.12556705 >>12556702 >Supipara - Intend to fund through Eden's sales http://www.mangagamer.org/minori/ Yeah, good luck with that...

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 00:59:21 2014 No.12556711 Fuck you, Dan88. Stop being an asshole.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 01:04:10 2014 No.12556719 >>12556705 7500 steam copies, it's not impossible. I wouldn't say it's likely, but GGN broke 10k so...

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 01:06:09 2014 No.12556724 >>12556719 Broke 10k when selling for $5.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 01:15:48 2014 No.12556731 good

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 01:27:57 2014 No.12556741 Obligatorily Sekai Project sucks post

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 01:32:14 2014 No.12556743 >>12556741 How's it going, Dovac?

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 01:34:22 2014 No.12556747

>>12556724

If eden can do the same at 10 bucks, then they'd only need to sell another 1k copies of the ero version on their site.

Like I said, it's kind of a longshot after dengeki stryker only sold a couple thousand, but with enough luck it's possible. I'd say the odds are about one in five of it succeeding.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 01:36:44 2014 No.12556749 >Supreme Candy - ~14573/43261 (~33.7%) lines translated Cool. At this rate it should be done around the time Sakura no Uta is released i.e. never.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 02:39:15 2014 No.12556829 >>12556747 Dengeki stryker was translated for a while, what did anyone expect? Stuff that's actually new has much better chance to sell well.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 03:39:02 2014 No.12556904 eden isn't an embarrassing piece of garbage so it will actually sell like shit on Steam.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 04:00:12 2014 No.12556930 Dead industry.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 04:35:16 2014 No.12556958 File: 104 KB, 320x471, 1389315306971.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12556698 is that som Ume-sensei work here?

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 04:49:23 2014 No.12556967
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Kinda off-topic but I don't want to make a thread for a single question. Basically I've been studying moonrunes for around 2 years now, and I want to translate something. Not to break into the scene, or to make mad monies, I just wanna practice really. But what kind of "genre" is the easiest to get started on? I once tried to translate a DS game, and it went well, most of the Menu and generic texts were translated, but technical difficulities stopped me, like the text wouldn't fit in the bubble or something. Also it was like a year ago, so it was a bit over my head.
So what should I start with? Manga, I assume? Or just find some untranslated shit on sadpanda and give that one a go? I mean, Hentai doesn't really have much text, just variatons of my hips are moving on their own.

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 04:58:31 2014 No.12556977

>>12556967
>I want to translate something
>I just wanna practice really.

Pick one. Not that that'll stop you.

If you really must, then:
>just find some untranslated shit on sadpanda and give that one a go
Aside from it being easy, the fanbase isn't one that will care that you suck.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 05:00:27 2014 No.12556980 >>12556977 Why would one contradict the other? truth is, the texts in my books are fucking boring, and it's always the same shit, so it would be a nice change of scenery I guess

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 05:05:12 2014 No.12556985

>>12556967

To be honest, the easiest thing to translate is probably simple manga. But there's a lot of people doing it so it doesn't really help the community that much.

I think a VN as a first project introduces some difficulties but it's also very high impact because the VN community really needs all the help it can get.

If you're interested in doing a VN, you'd need to really have the time for it though.

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 05:09:34 2014 No.12556990

>>12556985
Well, I'd like to translate a couple of mango, then move over to VN when I have more time, like summer or holidays or something.
Where do I find manga that's untranslated though? (And I mean non-h stuff. I would do Hmanga, but I really doubt many of them have a vocabulary above 200 words.) I really just want this to shake things up a bit and improve my skills, I'm not in it for e-fame since my translations will be most likely shit, and I'm really not that good either. I'm around N4 Level if that means anything to you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 05:12:14 2014 No.12556993 >>12556967 Translate Kimiaru.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 05:16:04 2014 No.12556996 >>12556990 You might want to consider some simple light novel. Translate a chapter and see what happens. Find LN in text form so that you can copy/paste and look up words and phrases.

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 05:17:09 2014 No.12556997

>>12556990
>I'm around N4 Level if that means anything to you.
Pffft. Nigga, get to N1 before you even start thinking about translating things for public release. N1 is easy as fuck and does not cover nearly all the material you'll actually need if you want to translate anything more complicated than children's manga.

Also, how in the unholy fuck did you spend two years studying and you're only at N4? Do you literally have a learning disorder?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 05:17:34 2014 No.12556998 >>12556990 >I'm around N4 Level Please don't even attempt to translate things. You're nowhere near competent enough yet.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 05:19:56 2014 No.12557002 >>12556997 TBH N1 has mostly words and grammar forms that don't appear in your typical moege. A good competency in N2 is more important.

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 05:27:23 2014 No.12557005

>>12557002
Not really, unless you're talking Hanahira-tier simple. After I passed N1 I was still constantly looking up vocab in moege, and it doesn't even begin to cover a lot of common idioms and cultural references that you really only pick up on by reading tons of shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 05:30:27 2014 No.12557007 >>12557005 The vocabulary in N1 doesn't really turn up in moege and N2 though. Of course that's depending on what you read. N1 is for more reading newspaper and technical documents, where idioms and cultural references play no part in.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 05:37:02 2014 No.12557010 >>12557007 N1 has some technical stuff, yes, but it also has a ton of ridiculously common everyday type stuff. Either way, the point is that even N1 isn't enough to make you a translator, much less N4.

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 05:58:11 2014 No.12557027

>>12557010
No, point is, N1 and most of N2 are totally irrelevant to any otaku stuff. You are not going to encounter these words in either manga or vn, so reaching these grades is entirely useless for translating purposes, you'd better spend this time learning words you would actually need.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 06:07:05 2014 No.12557031 >>12557005 You can easily read hanahira with n3, I did it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 06:08:52 2014 No.12557035 >>12557027 You can study n1 and skip useless words, for some of them are actually useful

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 06:14:15 2014 No.12557039

>>12557027
If you know enough Japanese to translate, you really shouldn't have much trouble passing N1, because most of it it's pretty basic shit. But whatever, I'm not interested in debating the merits of the JLPT as it relates to otaku media. It's mostly for employers anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 06:15:30 2014 No.12557040 >>12557027 >>12557035 Actually just looked through n1 words, and apparently they are much more useful vn-wise than I've thought, so I hate to retract that statement. N4 has lesser rate of VN occurence than N1. Took my JLPT too long ago.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 06:16:32 2014 No.12557041 >>12557040 >so I have to

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 08:08:01 2014 No.12557140

Please forgive me but I'll go full autist right now.

https://twitter.com/dobacco/status/518458246021906432
>The only way you'll see more high profile licenses is though kickstarter dealwithit.jpg
Yeah, Steins;Gate, Gahkthun, Eden as well as other high profile titles were announced to use kickstarter. Dovac please.

The fact that you're in a company with a small capital doesn't justify what you're doing. You should realize that right now you're building a list of titles that you won't be able to release anytime soon and potentially disappoint all the people that currently support you.

You're using the excuse to use kickstarter basically because it's simply impossible for you to right now have the money to acquire such licenses. I actually see no problem for a starting company to use such method because it can actually be helpful. However, when a company basically makes its business model to put a bunch of titles through kickstarter the case is completely different. Even worse is the fact that you're resorting to kickstarter yet again without even releasing one of these "big licenses". Are you not aware that you should start slow if you don't have the means to start big?

Many times, it's because of abusive entities (obviously, in this case you're the abusing entity) that some services that can actually be useful to people (kickstarter in this case) have to change certain conditions which implies consequences or simply disappear.

Specially in the last thread, some anons called you out yet again because of your attitude and lack of professionalism. They even gave some legitimaly good advice but you simply continue trying to show how "almighty" you are by even childishly responding on your twitter to things said here.

I sincerely hope someday you open your eyes and realize how much better this could have gone.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 08:20:37 2014 No.12557155 >>12557140 Speaking of SP I can't even find a VNDB page for their latest announcement

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 08:27:48 2014 No.12557169 >>12557155 Its doujin shit with budget of 100k yen which was never sold outside comiket. Funny enough, dovac's kickstarter going to ask for more money than game's budget.

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 08:53:38 2014 No.12557212

>>12557140
>Steins;Gate
Was already fan translated, still took 2.5 years to release.

>Eden
Was already fan translated (but unreleased); more than 4 years later, it still isn't released.

>Gahkthun
Took several years of negotiation to get (MG was already negotiating with Liar-soft before Muv-Luv Alternative's patch release).

While I don't disagree with your statement that it's possible to license high-profile stuff without a Kickstarter, your examples don't really back up your statement.

>Are you not aware that you should start slow if you don't have the means to start big?
Yeah, no, that's not how companies work. The usual way to start big is to make a business plan and find investors or take out a huge loan, and it's pretty normal for companies to start like that (and even to fail like that). Dovac's doing it different by making the customers the investors (which is the entire idea behind Kickstarter in the first place).

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 09:14:54 2014 No.12557265 Shitty week, shitty project still alive.

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 09:21:07 2014 No.12557278

>>12557212
>your examples don't really back up your statement
Not the anon you responded to but I suppose JAST paid the fan-translators for their translation. Do you have any evidence that they weren't? It's also conceivable that the contract between JAST and Nitro+ had some changes due to the fan-translation but we have no way of knowing that. Regarding how much time it takes to release the titles the fault seems to be either because of the japanese (Eden) or localization company (Steins;Gate although I believe Nitro+ is also involved).

And yeah, MG was in talks with Liar-soft when the Muv-Luv Alternative incident happened. I suppose the talks were suspended because of it. Wasn't Sharnoth released near that time?
On their ask.fm MG said
>The deal first started when we went to talk to Liarsoft at the Denkigai Matsuri convention held in Shinjyuku, December 2013. Like many other visual novel companies, they become really busy from time to time, and it took until the end of Jaunaury until we were able to talk to them in person again.
http://ask.fm/MangaGamerStaff/answer/114840687090

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 09:47:38 2014 No.12557322

>>12557278
>Not the anon you responded to but I suppose JAST paid the fan-translators for their translation. Do you have any evidence that they weren't?
I have evidence they do, and I have evidence JAST (as well as MG) pays their fan-translators-turned-professional-translators shit. I've been too involved so I don't know how much I can go into the details (don't know what is public information and what isn't), but it's at least publicly known that the amounts paid are low enough that the teams wouldn't consider working for such pay if they weren't already doing it as a fan translation. Picking up already fan translated projects saves a lot of money on the translation part of the project.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 09:54:15 2014 No.12557336 weekly eop thread

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 10:42:44 2014 No.12557423 >>12556967 Translate any ero webnovel, those are easy. http://noc.syosetu.com/top/top/

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 12:04:59 2014 No.12557562 Sanarara being translated? Really? Since when? Oh shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 12:07:32 2014 No.12557568 File: 194 KB, 256x327, mystery.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Where the hell is Killer Queen/Cannonball run?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 12:11:52 2014 No.12557575 >>12557562 Was announced last week. >>12557568 Killer Queen will be released within the next week. Cannonball... Soon. Just visit http://tlwiki.org/index.php?title=Cannonball daily and you'll know.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 13:22:03 2014 No.12557687 >>12557322 >it's at least publicly known that the amounts paid are low enough that the teams wouldn't consider working for such pay if they weren't already doing it as a fan translation. I actually wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the info.

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 14:11:13 2014 No.12557771

>>12556967
>I've been studying moonrunes for around 2 years now
>I just wanna practice really.

Whatever you translate will end up absolutely awful. If you must translate, translate ero manga to minimize the damage you'll be inflicting upon the world. You'll still fuck it up but at least people won't be losing out on much.

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 14:30:09 2014 No.12557821

>>12557322
>it's at least publicly known that the amounts paid are low enough that the teams wouldn't consider working for such pay if they weren't already doing it as a fan translation

Mangagamer pays a penny per character, which, while shit, doesn't mean that everyone's doing it out of passion. In fact, I'd say that most are doing it because they're too socially inept to peddle their skills in real life. I highly doubt ds55 or good haro woke up one day and decided that the masterpieces they wanted to bring over to the west were ruby striker and super boob wars.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 14:32:44 2014 No.12557828 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hAdWYKZtvojjcpYjrIf4TcPuTjsGcXIfaOHk9luKm2M/edit?usp=sharing

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 14:35:57 2014 No.12557835

>>12557212
I don't see how the existence of fan translations invalidates his point. "High profile" releases aren't difficult to obtain and release because of the cost of the translation itself (it's not like they are longer than other eroge that get localized) but because the companies presumably demand more for them in terms of licensing or guarantee of sales.

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 15:42:59 2014 No.12558082

>>12557835
Let's say you have cost A and cost B. For a normal game, cost A is 3 and cost B is 5. The total cost of localization is A + B = 3 + 5 = 8.

However, for high-profile products, cost A is actually higher than usual, let's say for example that it's 6. To localize this, it would cost A + B = 6 + 5 = 11. That's significantly higher than a normal game!

Now, imagine that you could reduce cost B for certain high-profile games, let's say you reduce it from 5 to 3. Suddenly the high profile game costs A + B = 6 + 3 = 9, only slightly higher than a normal game!

Yes, high profile releases cost more money because of licensing, not because of translation costs. And yes, that becomes more manageable if you reduce the costs of translation.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 15:50:33 2014 No.12558101 I have been gone for a while and I was wondering what happened to Grisaia no Meikyuu's translation, I can't seem to find if it has been dropped,stalled or it's still on going.

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 15:51:44 2014 No.12558103

>>12557828
「変わりませんよ、その辺は。透さんが大学にいっちゃう前と、ほんの少しも」
>This place didn't change one bit, since Tooro-san left for college.

>「ですです。お年寄りのみなさん、朝早いですからねー。だから、お昼すぎるともういっつもこんななんだよ？」
>Right, right. All the old people are fast in the morning. That's why it's quieter around noon.

>素早く周囲を見回して、食品コーナー、縦型ラックのところへと。
>The place is quickly scanned. The food corner is in one of the vertical racks.

Fantastic work. 4/5 Cudders.

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 15:55:26 2014 No.12558113

>>12558082
Do you know how much MG or JAST pay for character?
It's just to get some numbers and do some calculations. I'm curious about the translation / licensing costs ratio. For the translation costs to have such impact I suppose that the license by itself isn't as expensive as I thought.

>>12558101
Sekai project announced an official localization of Grisaia no Kajitsu and so Koestl put Grisaia no Meikyuu on hold. Also, for now only the console version of Grisaia has been confirmed to be ported to PC and officially released. Obviously, it doesn't have ero. Sekai Project said something on their tumblr about a announcement regarding Grisaia status soon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 15:57:22 2014 No.12558120 >>12558113 Jast doesn't pay by character. They pay based on how much they think the game will sell, which is just a random guess.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 15:59:17 2014 No.12558127 >>12558103 >朝早い >fast in the morning >すごい人 >amazing people >頭の回転が速い >he turns his head really fast

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 16:00:12 2014 No.12558132 >>12558120 I remember reading that Jast doesn't even pay until the game is golden (which, knowing them, means years later).

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 16:00:48 2014 No.12558134 >>12558103 You know it's going to be good when he can't even transcribe one of the most common Japanese names correctly. Thankfully, he already dropped it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 16:02:08 2014 No.12558140 >>12558132 It depends. They prefer not to, but sometimes do.

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 16:05:22 2014 No.12558153

>>12558113
I have a policy of keeping my mouth shut about information I get in non-public places. I do have information on how and how much JAST and MG pay translators (at least those from fan translation projects), but I'm afraid I can't just share that unless it's already been made public by someone else.

For licensing costs, I actually have no clue how much it is. However, with how JAST and MG have picked up a lot of notable titles that already had fan translators, how JAST is prioritizing the fan-translated Nitro+ projects over untranslated projects, and the relative lack of high-profile titles that did not have a fan translation (in progress or finished) already, I can only conclude that translation cost is an important factor even for high-profile releases.

>Sekai project announced an official localization of Grisaia no Kajitsu and so Koestl put Grisaia no Meikyuu on hold.
More than that, koestl is currently translating Gahkthun for MangaGamer. He doesn't have the time to translate Meikyuu even if the licensing situation didn't complicate it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 16:07:31 2014 No.12558159 >>12558134 For curiosity sake, how would you even know which name to use? I know kanji has multiple readings. Do you just go with the most common one and hope you're right? According to the dictionary, 透 could be Kuria, Shuu, Tooru, etc., etc.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 16:09:05 2014 No.12558161 >>12558159 By playing the game and listening to voices. Or by looking on the website since approximately 100% of the time, they give the reading.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 16:09:55 2014 No.12558165 That monobeno thing was already thoroughly criticized on vndb many months ago, and the translator was convinced to drop it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 16:10:21 2014 No.12558168 >>12558161 http://www.lose.jp/wp/monobeno/character/ It's even in fucking English.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 16:11:42 2014 No.12558173 most useless thread on /jp/

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 16:13:09 2014 No.12558179 >>12558173 Second most useless post on /jp/.

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 16:32:03 2014 No.12558234

>>12557140

I don't know why everyone gets after dovac for the Kickstarter bullshit so much. If Kickstarter will let him start up the projects, what's the big deal? Just because he starts a Kickstarter doesn't mean it will reach the funding needed. And I'd honestly like to see how many no name doujin games can be kickstarted before people stop pledging.

What I'd really like to see is a Kickstarter for Grisaia no Kajitsu with a stretch goal for adding the ero scenes. That would really get some people pissed off.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 16:35:15 2014 No.12558242 >>12558234 I don't hate the guy. I think if i was him i would be doing more or less the same thing to be honest.

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 16:38:13 2014 No.12558248

>>12558234
>>12558242
Because it shows that your business model is fucked up and nobody wants to buy the products you're selling.

Or if they are successful like is implied (barring Planetarian), then where the fuck is all the money going?

And you can't say it's for licensing because that's already done and paid for. He's basically ransoming games, saying "I've got the license, now if you want a translation, pony the fuck up and then pony up some more to buy it later."

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 16:41:40 2014 No.12558258 >>12558248 You're free to hate it but if assuring your paycheck would depend on it i'm sure you would take as many licenses in hostage as well.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 16:44:29 2014 No.12558263 >>12558258 >You're free to hate it Then I guess you do know why everyone gets after dovac for his bullshit after all.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 16:49:23 2014 No.12558277 >>12558248 Clearly enough people want the products to fund them. My only real complaint about the kickstarters is that he's going too fast. Freaking release something first before starting your third and fourth kickstarters.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 16:51:46 2014 No.12558285 >>12558277 I'm pretty sure that's very against Kickstarter's ToS too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 17:31:02 2014 No.12558367 >>12558285 No, it's not. You can have as many unfinished kickstarter projects as you want as long as you haven't abandoned any.

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 17:54:24 2014 No.12558423

With regards to multiple projects, I'm not sure if they have something explicitly in the ToS, but they have this in the creator questions.

https://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/creator+questions

>Can I run more than one project at once?

>We rarely permit running multiple projects at the same time, or launching a second project before fulfilling your first one. Having multiple live projects can confuse backers and split support. Running a project is a lot of work, and more than one live project will likely dilute your attention and energy. There may be exceptions out there, but that’s generally how it works. If you're a first-time creator and have multiple project ideas, we recommend selecting the one that's most developed and trying that first.

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 18:00:13 2014 No.12558442

>>12558423
Dovac doesn't even do any work on these projects either.

But the easiest part of the ToS he's breaking is:
>Don’t lie to people. Don’t post information you know is false, misleading, or inaccurate. Don’t do anything deceptive or fraudulent.

>Projects can’t mislead people or misrepresent facts

He's already licensed this shit. He's already announced it's being translated. He's already no doubt promised the companies he licensed them from that he would be releasing a translation.

So pick one. He either lies constantly, or lies only on Kickstarter.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 18:04:13 2014 No.12558452 >>12558442 Imagine if a company like NISA pulled that shit. >You wanted Disgaea 5? Fuck you. You pay us to localize it and then we'll sell it to you.

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 18:14:01 2014 No.12558477

>>12558442
With regards to the kickstarter he is about to start, he posted

>The game translation is already in progress. If the kickstarter fails it'll come out with out voices.

For his other projects, it would probably depend on the details of the contract. Seeing that he generally needs the Japanese company involved for Kickstarter rewards, they probably were kept in the loop during negotiations. Based on the message the Japanese group put out for Fata Morgana after MG announced they had it is they went with MG because a Kickstarter would be a lot of work for them, thus why they did not go with Sekai Project.

The real issue would probably be publicly announcing licenses and only later coming out and saying that these releases are conditional on the success of a kickstarter.

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 18:19:52 2014 No.12558493

>>12558452
I'd love it if a companies like that would use the Kickstarter approach. I'd prefer a Kickstarter for Ciel Nosurge over 'nope, you're not getting Ciel Nosurge because we were retarded and because of that Ar Nosurge bombed'.

Disgaea 389 would be released either way, but there are plenty of titles that aren't being brought over because they're not guaranteed hits. If they'd use Kickstarter to avoid risky gambles we could get more obscure titles.

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 18:32:51 2014 No.12558536

https://twitter.com/CafeDX/status/517859015142150144
>How did I manage to write "princely dick" and "legion of raging boners" in the same night.
Man, if Euphoria script has more stuff like this I won't be able to fap. I'll laugh instead. Well, not like it's a bad thing or anything.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 18:33:38 2014 No.12558537 >>12558477 Whine about it on Twitter, Dovac

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 18:37:00 2014 No.12558548 >>12558452 Except this isn't how game kickstarters work and you don't have to pay a second time to get the game, and most game KSes have the lowest level be the same cost as the retail game.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 18:39:33 2014 No.12558557 Kickstarter is basically a pre-order platform at this point.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 18:40:13 2014 No.12558561 >>12558548 Except it's exactly how all of SP's kickstarters have worked.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 18:41:49 2014 No.12558568 >>12558557 Keep telling yourself that, Dovac, while you keep going ahead and extorting money from idiots with veiled threats about not getting their games or not supporting companies by not being true fans.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 18:43:08 2014 No.12558570 >>12558423 So Kickstarter probably won't care about Dovac doing many projects until his projects start missing deadlines and someone who paid the kickstarter complains about that.

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 18:45:51 2014 No.12558576

>>12558561
$25
>Get digital copies of all 3 episodes on Steam. If you already have episode 1 on Steam you can give the extra key to a friend!

$10
>Single copy of fault milestone one -director's cut- from Steam.

I remember a few game kickstarters not actually giving the game to backers and they failed miserably. SP isn't that retarded. Nobody actually pays twice for games through kickstarter,

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 19:07:09 2014 No.12558649

>>12558493
That is a horrible idea, especially for localization companies. There's already a very obvious lack of standards and experienced staff leading to shit like the SAO fiasco and upcoming Tales of Hearts mess, and you want them to be taking on more projects and to deal with that, hiring even worse people than they already have?

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 19:17:13 2014 No.12558678

>>12558649
>hiring even worse people than they already have
How is this in any way related to Kickstarter? Kickstarter is basically just selling the game before it's made, and then only making it if it actually sells well enough. The only difference here is that there's very little initial investment or risk for the company doing the Kickstarter, compared to doing a normal release.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 19:20:26 2014 No.12558693 >>12558678 >how is doing more projects related to having to hire more people Come on, anon. You're not really this stupid, are you?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 19:24:44 2014 No.12558709 >>12558082 This doesn't mean anything when the numbers are entirely made up and we don't know how much reducing the cost of translation (again by an unknown amount) reduces the overall localization cost.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 19:30:29 2014 No.12558725 >>12558693 Not that, I mean how is Kickstarter related to hiring WORSE people? What stops them from using Kickstarter funds to hire competent people?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 19:32:52 2014 No.12558730 >>12558709 See >>12558153. Either a LOT of coincidences happened or existing translations reduce the cost of localization significantly enough to make it a factor in choosing which high-profile titles to localize.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 19:33:02 2014 No.12558731 >hiring more people Stop kidding yourselves. They're not going to hire anyone and the projects are just going to sit in development hell.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 19:33:04 2014 No.12558733 >>12558725 Because they haven't been able to find them for the projects that they already have.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 19:36:35 2014 No.12558741 Dovac doesn't know Japanese so he doesn't have any idea whether someone is competent or not. Why do you think he hired Batman?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 19:38:10 2014 No.12558745 >>12558741 Does Dovac even actually do anything at all or just create drama and make racist tweets?

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 19:38:53 2014 No.12558746

>>12558153
>I have a policy of keeping my mouth shut about information I get in non-public places. I do have information on how and how much JAST and MG pay translators (at least those from fan translation projects), but I'm afraid I can't just share that unless it's already been made public by someone else.
Sure you have son

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 19:49:21 2014 No.12558774 https://twitter.com/The_Doddler/status/516475932035399681 Sales for most VNs are really low. It's niche afterall.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 19:50:56 2014 No.12558784 It's not hard to imagine that MG and JAST underpay the fuck out of their contributors.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 19:59:59 2014 No.12558812 >>12558784 Is that because they do underpay the fuck out of their contributors?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 20:51:12 2014 No.12558917 >Noble Works - 17,902 / 57,690 (30.8%) lines translated, partial patch released So how shit does this look?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 20:56:06 2014 No.12558925 >>12558917 Fuwanovel/10.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 21:24:48 2014 No.12558990 >>12558917 The prologue was just fine. The common route is iffy. By now they have six translators on the project and all hope is lost.

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 21:30:36 2014 No.12559004

Can anyone tell me about the grisaia no kaijitsu patch that was on tlwiki before?

How was the quality of the translation? And also, are sekai project merely taking it and not actually fixing it up any better along with removing the H-scenes, or are they actually retranslating it?

Should I bother waiting for theirs? Or just get the one that is already out.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 21:33:09 2014 No.12559012 >>12559004 >are sekai project merely taking it and not actually fixing it up any better along with removing the H-scenes >just get the one that is already out yes

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 21:33:37 2014 No.12559014 >>12559004 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 21:35:56 2014 No.12559019 >>12559004 Quality is "best VN translation ever". SP contracted koestl (the one who made fan-tl) to do all-ages version, so there's not going to be any differences in translation itself.

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 21:40:11 2014 No.12559035

One day you find a lamp next to you when you wake up. Inside this lamp rests the genie of homosex and murder.

He offers to kill dovac for you, but only if you engage in a gay threesome with Kouryuu and Doddler while he masturbates.

Do you accept, /jp/?

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 21:40:57 2014 No.12559037

>>12559004
>How was the quality of the translation?
Koestl is literally one of the best eroge translators.

>And also, are sekai project merely taking it and not actually fixing it up any better along with removing the H-scenes, or are they actually retranslating it?
They said they'd do an editing pass.

>Should I bother waiting for theirs? Or just get the one that is already out.
No real need to wait, the unofficial version is fine and they probably won't do an uncensored release anyway. Make sure you get the 1.1 patch, though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 21:52:13 2014 No.12559062 The only project i was waiting for was fortune arterial, and it's fucking dead. Fuck everything.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 21:53:55 2014 No.12559065 >>12559062 Why were you waiting for that of all things?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 21:56:36 2014 No.12559072 >>12559065 Because a friend told it was decent, years ago. And the fact that i don't see anything of my liking getting translated.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 21:57:59 2014 No.12559076 >>12559072 This 'friend' doesn't have your best interests in mind.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 22:00:14 2014 No.12559079 >>12559076 Oh well we had similar tastes, maybe our tastes are shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 22:01:21 2014 No.12559083 >>12559076 Fortune Arterial is a decent game. It's only edgy teenagers who are analangry that it's not another Eustia.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 22:02:36 2014 No.12559086 >>12559083 No, it's one of a hundred thousand copy paste moege that stands out in literally no way whatsoever.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 22:09:21 2014 No.12559091 >>12559086 I'm quite certain you haven't read it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 22:09:53 2014 No.12559093 >>12559037 What are Koestl's qualifications that have you saying he's one of the best? (assuming you aren't being sarcastic) What's his track record and stuff compared to the likes of ixrec?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 22:11:54 2014 No.12559098 >>12559093 > to the likes of ixrec This is weekly EOP thread, but even here such baits don't work, you should've used someone like Makoto.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 22:13:17 2014 No.12559102 >>12559098 I'm being serious. What is Koestl's background?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 22:14:16 2014 No.12559105 >>12559102 He translated Grisaia no Kajitsu. He did a good job.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 22:15:48 2014 No.12559109 >>12559102 You don't need "background" to judge quality of particular translation. All you need is to run jp and en versions side by side and compare them.

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 22:21:10 2014 No.12559120

>>12559109
What I meant was if he's just some person who learned japanese in college or self taught who then went on to do this good job on Grisaia, or if he's like japanese and was raised with the language and then somehow learned english to a high degree and decided to translate the game.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 22:26:56 2014 No.12559133 >>12559120 He sucked a thousand Japanese dicks and absorbed their essence.

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 22:37:51 2014 No.12559153

>>12559120
He's a native english speaker. That's part of the reason why the translation is so good, actually. A Japanese ESL, no matter how proficient in English they may be, would never write naturally and eloquently enough for their translation to be considered great. See: TakaJun (... right?)

Anonymous Sun Oct 5 22:51:45 2014 No.12559186
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>>12559062
There's at least a partial patch with some routes translated.

>>12559072
>>12559076
>>12559079
>>12559083
>>12559086
It's quite good, provided you're into typical high school comedy romance hijinks. Don't expect amazing plot or anything though, it just has great atmosphere and good characters.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 23:10:52 2014 No.12559237 >>12559186 No... no.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 23:19:34 2014 No.12559264 >>12559237 >No! No! You can't have an opinion different from mine! Quoting your autism.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 23:22:22 2014 No.12559268 >>12559186 Another pro-wrestling VN like G-senjou , I see.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 23:24:51 2014 No.12559278 >>12559264 >throw temper tantrum because someone said game was bad >start accusing people of being mad for disagreeing Are you sure this is the best plan?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 23:31:39 2014 No.12559302 File: 676 KB, 800x600, capture_17112012_194118.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12559264 >>12559237 >>12559278

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 5 23:33:11 2014 No.12559306 >>12559278 I'm pretty sure you're the one who was upset that someone was looking forward to a game you didn't like.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 6 00:19:44 2014 No.12559398 >>12559306 >I'm a proud ignint murrican who has an opinion based on nothing and upset that anybody knows more than me

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 6 02:18:38 2014 No.12559594 i like moege

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 6 03:06:32 2014 No.12559679 Where's mahoyo?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 6 03:10:15 2014 No.12559690 In editing hell

Anonymous Mon Oct 6 03:24:48 2014 No.12559707
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Why isn't it on the vnts list

Hey VNTS guy, maybe listing the VNs that were dropped each week would be a good idea. This way, we'd know when to search out partial patches.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 6 04:17:24 2014 No.12559753 >>12557568 Every time I look at this picture, I always think its Kotori trapped inside a shovel.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 6 08:11:24 2014 No.12560113 Little Busters progress went up again, now its at 27505 translated, with editing staying the same.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 6 08:28:32 2014 No.12560161 >>12559679 The whole project was a lie, what did you expect ? It's commie.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 6 10:17:06 2014 No.12560442 >>12560161 >>12559690 >>12559679 From what I heard, it reached 100% translation completed but was in such a terrible state as to be unsalvageable. Nobody wants to TLC or edit it, and as such it remains unreleased forever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 6 10:48:08 2014 No.12560485 >>12557575 >Killer Queen will be released within the next week You said that last week.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 6 11:12:28 2014 No.12560527 File: 225 KB, 387x1799, 123.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Ded thread. Ded board. Ded scene. Weekly reminder.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 6 13:15:42 2014 No.12560839 >>12560527 Weekly reminder that Insem is a faggot ?

Anonymous Mon Oct 6 14:20:12 2014 No.12560952

>>12558442
pretty much sounds like you don't understand kickstarter. Assuming kickstarter = you must start from 0 means you haven't seen any other kickstarters nor have ever funded one.
kickstarter has been used for secondary and tertiary product runs of shit. Those ninja shoe things had a second kickstarter for their new model, food lines run kickstarter to make new batches of shit like beef jerky and seasoned nuts.

There are games that don't need funding from kickstarter but use it to collect capital so things are easier for them. God damn man, if you don't know how kickstarter is used then stop trying to use it as your shield.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 6 15:04:02 2014 No.12561029 >>12559398 sick strawman brah, where'd you get it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 6 20:33:35 2014 No.12561670 >>12559753 I see that too

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 6 22:14:34 2014 No.12561855 I keep checking this thread every hour waiting for Killer Queen to come out

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 00:41:33 2014 No.12562194
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Mangagamer's either going to have to slow down on picking up titles, start regularly doing multiple releases per month, or pick up some titles that will take 2+ years to translate. They've already got 19 games, which, if released at their current rate of one per month, will book them until 2016.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 01:36:33 2014 No.12562272 Fuck off with all your nyaa comments, herkz. Do you really have nothing better to do?

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 01:37:01 2014 No.12562274

There's some moron on #tlwiki looking for this thread so he can post that he's translating a game.

><herkz> do you actually know japanese
><RaurosFalls> No, not really. But I've gotten a hang for the sentence structure, commond words, and kanji over the years.
[><RaurosFalls> ChiiTrans is a necessary crutch

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 01:45:26 2014 No.12562285 >>12556705 Good luck? I don't see why it wouldn't happen. If people are willing to throw money at Sekai Project, of course they'd be fine with doing it for an actual good company like MangaGamer.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 01:46:38 2014 No.12562291 >>12562274 Will herkz ever shut up?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 01:46:41 2014 No.12562292 >>12562274 Nobody cares about your IRC circlejerk.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 01:48:42 2014 No.12562297 >>12559302 I assume you thought that was bad English because you can't read.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 01:50:28 2014 No.12562302 >>12562292 I am amazed at how some dorks never moved beyond 1995 when it first came out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 01:51:53 2014 No.12562306 >>12562302 Same. It's like they think that using an outdated chat program somehow makes them better than everyone else.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 01:56:09 2014 No.12562315 >>12562306 What should we be using instead? Skype?

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 01:57:44 2014 No.12562317

>>12562302
>>12562306

Are we at this again with baseless shitposting? You guys who bash IRC still haven't given a good reason to bash or a better alternative that doesn't involve 3rd parties having the information stored someplace and selling your information. Simplicity and decentralization is still king and wins compared to alternatives out there today.

RaurosFalls Tue Oct 7 02:05:26 2014 No.12562325

Hey OP, can you add the VN that I've been translating to the list?

http://vndb.org/v1160

Here is the translation thread:

http://www.hongfire.com/forum/showthread.php/96398-%28digitalcute%29-Musumaker

Stats:
14% translated. (382/2702KB)
47% common route. (227/464KB)

Currently going through QC, set to release a first patch in the near future.

Also I am currently the only one doing translating AND editing, so if anyone is interested come help!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:07:47 2014 No.12562330 >>12562325 Who would bother to help with a machine TL project?

>>	RaurosFalls Tue Oct 7 02:13:25 2014 No.12562341 >>12562330 It's not a machine TL project?? I spend a lot of time figuring out the sentences on my own and making it sound good, using ChiiTrans as a crutch. I can usually understand the sentences pretty well.

>>	RaurosFalls Tue Oct 7 02:14:34 2014 No.12562343 >>12562341 Given, I am pretty slow because I can't immediately grasp the sentence.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:14:35 2014 No.12562344 >>12562325 >hongfire So its worse-than-fuwanovel project. Definitely "not machine-translated", rite.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:15:42 2014 No.12562349 >>12562341 > I spend a lot of time figuring out the sentences Oh god. Please. Just. Stop. Right. Now.

RaurosFalls Tue Oct 7 02:16:34 2014 No.12562354

>>12562344
I don't understand exactly what you mean, but if you're referring to the previous people on hongfire who started it's translation, I redid all of their entire prologue. Obviously it is still a work in progress as I edit my own translations too.

>>	RaurosFalls Tue Oct 7 02:18:10 2014 No.12562358 >>12562349 ? Is there something wrong with this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:19:47 2014 No.12562364 >>12562358 Are you for real? Learn the fucking language before attempting to translate. All you're doing is making a mess of things.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:20:04 2014 No.12562366 Which smartass directed this hongfire retard here to shit up the thread?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:20:40 2014 No.12562368 >>12562358 This issue was discussed here thousands of times. Even in this very thread: >>12556997

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:21:44 2014 No.12562374 >>12562366 It was koestl: koestl: you should post in the /jp/ translation status thread if you want people to know about a project. koestl: that's what the vntls site was pulling from anyway

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:23:39 2014 No.12562382

>>12562358
/jp/ has high standards for translations, which yours probably doesn't meet. I don't know if it will meet VNTS's.

Translating something while you are learning the language might be a useful way to learn, and maybe some people will enjoy the finished product, but it's almost certainly going to be terrible.

RaurosFalls Tue Oct 7 02:24:19 2014 No.12562385

>>12562364
I don't see a need to learn it well enough to live there... if I won't be living there. Memorizing kanji takes a lot of time, and I can save several years of my time by just hovering over what it is in ChiiTrans.

If you do it long enough, "learning to read by reading" is a pretty efficient way if that's all you wanna do rather than speaking and writing too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:24:59 2014 No.12562387 Apparently this mouthbreather hasn't even played the game he's "translating" because he doesn't want spoilers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:26:12 2014 No.12562390 >>12562374 In fairness, that was before it came out that he's an illiterate using machine TL.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:26:27 2014 No.12562391 >>12562385 A middle schooler might learn a lot by translating a book into the language he's learning, but you should just accept that the result is going to be total garbage. Just for fun, post some scripts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:26:33 2014 No.12562392 >>12557771 >translate ero manga to minimize the damage you'll be inflicting upon the world You don't know about Laruffi then.

>>	RaurosFalls Tue Oct 7 02:27:11 2014 No.12562394 >>12562387 Wow you guys are real jerks

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:27:44 2014 No.12562396 >>12562394 Welcome to /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:28:45 2014 No.12562399 >>12562394 You probably have better luck serving your shit on a plate somewhere else.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:29:08 2014 No.12562401 >>12562394 But that's like marrying a woman you met for the first time.

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:31:27 2014 No.12562411 [DELETED]

>>12562317
I can smell the fedora from here. Literally any other chat program is superior. If your information being stored/sold is seriously a concern to you then you must be very bad at keeping it private. Not to mention that the same thing happens with IRC anyway.

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:32:20 2014 No.12562412

>>12562385
>I don't see a need to learn it well enough to live there...

We're not talking about living there, we're talking about translating something.

If you're so retarded that it took you awhile "to figure out how the sentences work" when japanese has goddamn particles everywhere that dictate exactly what each words function is, then whatever you attempt to translate might as well have been done by google translate. So you might as well save yourself the effort.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:33:14 2014 No.12562414 >>12562341 >Do you know Japanese? >No. That's why.

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:33:20 2014 No.12562416

>>12562385
I actually encourage you to keep translating and see if you can get someone qualified to QC for you.

My greatest Japanese learning experience was when my QCer raped me a new asshole after I "contributed" to a translation project, completely destroying my illusion that I knew any Japanese at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:34:46 2014 No.12562421 >>12562416 > someone qualified to QC > hongfire project You are giving too much credit to that "community".

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:35:40 2014 No.12562422 >>12562411 It doesn't require you to have an account and does pretty much everything you want it to do. I fail to see what the problem is, or why all the people using it should migrate over to Skype or whatever.

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:36:05 2014 No.12562424

>>12562394
I don't know if you're just doing this to troll, but you shouldn't bother responding to anyone here about the quality of your translation. They will shit all over it even if it is good. This applies to the IRC channel you came from, as well. The best policy is to share the existence of your project so it gets recorded in this thread, and then forget about this place.

If you continue to post to attempt to defend your work I will conclude that you are in fact a troll. Let me reiterate, there is absolutely no good reason to do that on /jp/ otherwise. Just continue working and let the project speak for itself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:36:20 2014 No.12562427 >>12562385 If you want anyone to take you serious, just post that "retranslated" prologue. We will see ourselves what kind of translation it is, and you will get detailed feedback on accuracy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:38:21 2014 No.12562435 eop oh eop

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:39:31 2014 No.12562439 [DELETED]

>>12562422
Because the people who are using it are new people using an old program to be hipsters and not people who have been using it for years. They had no reason not to use fucking Steam or something in the first place. Can you play video games on IRC? No, so what is the fucking point? Steam does everything you ACTUALLY want it to do. You'd be getting an account anyway because what idiot is put off by something that takes ten seconds to do.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:40:43 2014 No.12562441 >>12562435 I'll teach people how to filter out the word EOP and then nobody will ever see your posts again. How sad for you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:40:45 2014 No.12562442 >>12562439 >You'd be getting an account anyway because what idiot is put off by something that takes ten seconds to do. says the anonymous on 4chan

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:41:33 2014 No.12562445

>>12557771 >>12556967
You are free to translate w/e for fun. The first thing I did was some hand-drawn touhou PV. Of course it was shit, got laughed at some, but in the end I did it cause I wanted to.

Pick something you like.
No mystery, factual exposition, philosophy, intrigue, etc. You probably should stick to something with a visual aid, and out of VN and manga I would go with manga, because the text volume is not so high, and finishing a chapter is a good demarcation. PV comics are decent as well and have the benefit that anyone can sub them.

After you do that, find some more VN/LN/manga's you want to read.
If after translating a chapter or two you still want to translate more, as opposed to say, reading, I question why?
Why do you want to translate something?
1 To let other people read it.
2 Resulting e-fame.
3 To validate your skills and the work you've put in so far to yourself.
4. To get better.
5. Because it's fun.

If you are N4, then your translation's not very fit for 1. You already say that it's not for 2. Iuuno, I find 3 fulfilled perfectly fine just by reading and more reading. Most of the time you spend being particular about moulding the english doesn't help you get better at Japanese. Skill at translation is really built on a foundation of the required Japanese and English skills. So that takes out 4. If it really is fun in itself and/or you have a blast TL'ing with friends, by all means.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:41:40 2014 No.12562446 >>12562424 >>12562439 Ti9 pls

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:41:49 2014 No.12562448 >>12562439 >Can you play video games on IRC? No, so what is the fucking point? 1/10, needs more effort.

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:42:03 2014 No.12562449 [DELETED]

>>12562439
>Because the people who are using it are new people using an old program to be hipsters and not people who have been using it for years.
I started using IRC because I wanted to talk to people who used IRC. They also have a bot that makes it easy for people to get games.

>You'd be getting an account anyway because what idiot is put off by something that takes ten seconds to do.
People who enjoy not having to register accounts to chat, such as 4chan users.

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:43:02 2014 No.12562452 [DELETED]

>>12562411
>>12562439

There is no "fedora" hipsterism when it comes to this type of thing. IRC's simplicity in keeping its chat function at the center of the experience instead of being a side component of any other chat program where you have a ton of other functions that just eat up bandwidth and doesn't enhance the real time communication when you respond to others.

More bandwidth gets used, for what? Metadata that bots collect and then collect heuristics that you have to consent to for using the chat program. For IRC you don't need to maintain a permanent account and you can actually hide your channel using +s and +p. Why should anyone use anything else when they can't come close to IRC in those things?

>>	RaurosFalls Tue Oct 7 02:44:19 2014 No.12562458 >>12562424 OK, thanks. I was going to defend it but I guess I'll stop here. I'm actually not trolling. I don't usually go on 4chan or anything, so this is kind of a shark tank for me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:44:48 2014 No.12562460 >>12562442 4chan doesn't have accounts to begin with so that's a pretty fucking bad example on your part.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:45:28 2014 No.12562461 >>12562460 And people like it that way.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:46:10 2014 No.12562462 >>12562460 That was the whole point, yes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:47:40 2014 No.12562467 >>12562458 Good on you. Shark tank is quite apt. This thread is good for tracking the progress of projects like yours, but not much else.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:49:18 2014 No.12562470 >>12562461 >>12562462 It doesn't change the fact that using a busted, outdated chat client simply because you don't want to make an account is the pinnacle of laziness.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:52:29 2014 No.12562480 >>12562344 Not every translator that came out of Hongfire was terrible. Didn't RougeTranslator get his start on Hongfire?

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:52:48 2014 No.12562482 [DELETED]

>>12562470
We're lazy, so we use a protocol that works very well at what it does instead of moving to another service that requires registration and account management and is very often tied to a massive piece of software. This is normal. Why would you use Steam to chat if you didn't play Steam games?

>busted, outdated
Why do you even care about how old it is? The English language is very old, but we continue to use for communication anyway, because it works. So is TCP/IP.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 02:58:33 2014 No.12562495 >>12562354 >it's translation Don't.

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 03:01:08 2014 No.12562497 [DELETED]

>>12562470
>using a busted, outdated chat client
Man, you are too retarded to speak about such things because you don't even understand difference between client and protocol.
There are tons of modern clients which support many different protocols, including irc.

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 03:05:49 2014 No.12562508 [DELETED]

>>12562482
Why wouldn't you play Steam games?

Also, just because it works doesn't mean you couldn't be using something better. The whole point is that you're getting elitist about some old piece of junk and acting like using it makes you better than other people. You're in no place to be condescending. All we want is for you to stop being an ass.

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 03:12:51 2014 No.12562521 [DELETED]

>>12562508
>Also, just because it works doesn't mean you couldn't be using something better.
I do, in fact, use more than one chat protocol from time to time, depending on who I'm talking to.

>The whole point is that you're getting elitist about some old piece of junk and acting like using it makes you better than other people.
What happened is that, randomly out of the blue, >>12562302 and >>12562306 called us a bunch of shits for using a perfectly serviceable communication protocol, and then you continued to call us elitist fags for like, fifty posts, while we patiently explained to you that there is nothing wrong with IRC as a protocol.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 03:13:58 2014 No.12562523 >>12562325 Holy shit, this project has been going since 2008.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 03:14:13 2014 No.12562524 >>>/g/, the lot of you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 03:15:01 2014 No.12562527 >>12562521 That's not how I see it at all, but okay. I'm glad I convinced you, in the end.

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 03:17:37 2014 No.12562530 [DELETED]

>>12562527
There was one post calling the TLwiki room a circlejerk. Fine, whatever. Then you and some other fag, unprovoked, decided to call all IRC users hipster faggots because... you think we should be using some other protocol even though the one we have now works just fine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 03:17:46 2014 No.12562531 >>12562508 >old piece of junk Meanwhile, twitch chat is a glorified irc client and they just got bought for how many billions?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 03:28:29 2014 No.12562559 >>12562530 Literally the only thing it's good for is downloading anime, and even that can be accomplished with a torrent or normal DDL.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 03:29:59 2014 No.12562564 >>12562531 Oh, god forbid something lets people chat. Clearly it's copying IRC. I didn't know it was possible to be this stupid.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 03:31:06 2014 No.12562568 >>12562559 It's also literally good for chatting with people.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 03:32:04 2014 No.12562569 >>12562564 >I didn't know it was possible to be this stupid. I didn't either, but you've proven me wrong. Twitch chat literally uses the IRC protocol. You can even connect to it with an IRC client.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 03:33:11 2014 No.12562572 >>12562568 It's mediocre at best when it comes to that.

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 03:34:22 2014 No.12562575 [DELETED]

>>12562572
You type the message. The people in the room see it. I don't what the fuck else you could possibly want and now I'm just going to leave you alone because you're self-evidently retarded.

Not, mind you, because you don't use IRC. It's an inherent thing; you would still be a retard even if you started using IRC.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 03:34:27 2014 No.12562576 Okay, seriously, no one gives a shit. Go debate your choice of chat protocols with /g/.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 03:36:08 2014 No.12562579 >>12562569 And that's somehow an IRC copy? Really? Do you even look at the things you type?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 03:37:27 2014 No.12562583 >>12562575 And then it crashes before anyone can actually see the message because it's extremely unstable. Checkmate, you lose, IRC is dead. Goodbye.

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 03:39:03 2014 No.12562585 [DELETED]

>>12562579
I know asking retard to learn to read is waste of time, but I'll still try.
Scroll above.
> twitch chat is a glorified irc client
See? This line doesn't have "IRC copy" in it. "IRC copy" is something you made up yourself.
And yes, if X is using protocol Y it can be called Y. Thats what protocols are all about, stop confusing protocols and clients already.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 03:39:26 2014 No.12562586 >>12562576 /g/ here. >using Steam for chat Back to /v/ with your proprietary software. IRC is free as in freedom and even runs on phones. Try running your steam chat on your phone, you can't. Also, enjoy your botnet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 03:40:40 2014 No.12562588 >>12562579 It's not an "IRC copy", it literally IS IRC.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 03:44:35 2014 No.12562595 >>12562585 Wow, I'm not even the same anon and I was totally convinced he said copy. Good call.

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 04:08:59 2014 No.12562633 [DELETED]

>>12562583
>And then it crashes before anyone can actually see the message because it's extremely unstable.

wut

IRC clients are so lightweight and have been in development for so long that they're some of the most stable pieces of software in existence. For example, I've been running a copy of mirc uninterrupted(aside from a couple blackouts) on an old machine for seven years straight(it's got a dice script loaded to make it a ghetto bot, if you're curious).

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 04:18:22 2014 No.12562648 >>12562633 It's well known that old computers are actually extremely sturdy. This is nothing impressive, even considering the many flaws with IRC.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 04:21:39 2014 No.12562653 >>12562648 Did you literally just switch from saying that IRC clients crash all the time to saying that it's nothing impressive that IRC clients are so stable

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 04:22:36 2014 No.12562658 [DELETED]

>>12562585
And "copy" was heavily implied by the words "glorified IRC client". This is how the English language works, you can imply things without having to say them directly. To deny this when you know what you meant shows you're more interested in trolling than discussion.

You sure spend a lot of time looking at other people, but never at yourself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 04:24:29 2014 No.12562660 >>12562653 This just in, a computer is an IRC client. No, idiot, it's nothing impressive that the old computer is able to keep an IRC client stable when it's usually not. You won't see that happen with any device made in the last few years.

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 04:25:13 2014 No.12562661 [DELETED]

>>12562658
>And "copy" was heavily implied by the words "glorified IRC client".
>This is how the English language works

What? I called it a glorified IRC client because it's a glorified IRC client.

Either you're retarded, you don't understand English despite claiming to, or you don't actually know what a client is

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 04:25:42 2014 No.12562663 The only question left now is whether he started trolling because he realized his original position was untenably retarded, or whether he was just trolling the whole time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 04:27:43 2014 No.12562668 >>12562661 And that implies you think it's a copy. Seriously, can you not afford a tutor or something? I've got some spare time, I'll do it for free.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 04:31:13 2014 No.12562675 >>12562660 >>12562668 10/10, you've strung me along this far, I give. I'm a retard for taking this bait in the first place

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 04:33:10 2014 No.12562680 >>12562675 You can contact me on anything you want, as long as it's not IRC. Hit me up on Chatango, where my name is DamienArmies, or AIM, where I go by FuhrerLumberjack.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 04:40:36 2014 No.12562697 >>12562658 >And "copy" was heavily implied by the words "glorified IRC client". No, it wasn't. I will tell you again: go fucking research difference between client and protocol.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 04:43:01 2014 No.12562704 >>12562697 Is it because you don't know what the word copy means? You should really take me up on my tutoring offer.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 04:44:15 2014 No.12562708 >>12562697 You're being rused, anonymous

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 04:45:53 2014 No.12562713 >>12562680 >Chatango >Flash >Stable

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 04:47:54 2014 No.12562717 >>12562704 No, you. Using same protocol is inherently different from copying the protocol. These words describe entirely different processed with entirely different results.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 05:02:48 2014 No.12562744 >>12562717 Which is exactly what Twitch is doing. Why were we arguing about this, again? Now look what's happened.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 05:05:28 2014 No.12562751 Woah, you're still going at it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 05:06:06 2014 No.12562754 >>12562751 Every post must be replied to.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 05:13:55 2014 No.12562767 Anons in a Japanese translation thread misinterpreting English words... what have we come to?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 07:54:08 2014 No.12563051 >>12562480 Yeah, him and Dargoth both did(is Dargoth considered good?). They moved when Hongfire went down a few years back.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 10:24:56 2014 No.12563392 File: 128 KB, 800x600, board.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] THEY SAID IT'D COME OUT THIS WEEK, LAST WEEK. STOP DELAYING KILLER QUEEN.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 13:17:11 2014 No.12563847 the most useless thread in /jp/

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 15:59:33 2014 No.12564260

The Sekai Project Prefundia page for their upcoming kickstarter of Lepidoptera no Sunadokey was updated, now looks like they are making the initial goal to bring over the game, despite Dovac previously saying "The game translation is already in progress. If the kickstarter fails it'll come out with out voices."

It looks like they are going with goal + stretch goals

$10k to cover the translation + programming work for the game
$10.5k postcards
$30k for event voices + physical copies + some bonus goods
$47k for full voice (excluding protag)
$65k for more goods + android port.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 16:07:22 2014 No.12564284 >>12564260 The Japanese crowdfunding project for the first chapter brought in just 114,500 yen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 16:21:54 2014 No.12564331 >>12563392 Im surprised that the stuff on the board is correct.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 16:23:13 2014 No.12564335 >>12564260 How long is that game anyway?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 16:54:04 2014 No.12564400 >>12564260 herp a derp Now where's all the people saying he doesn't lie about shit?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 18:17:26 2014 No.12564634 >>12564260 15$ for a steam copy seems decent enough. I'm down for committing at least that much. Though I do wonder how long it is..

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 19:07:38 2014 No.12564785

>>12564260
Why the fuck he need 10 grand for translating unpopular doujin shit for him too sell on steam while most fan translation doing it for free and distributing it for free? This Dovac guy should just kill himslef and dissapear from vn scene. Fucking Jew

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 19:45:17 2014 No.12564911 >>12564785 Obviously because he wants to makes money off it dumbass.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 19:46:32 2014 No.12564914 >>12564785 Because he wants to make a living off of it? Why does anyone charge money for anything ever when they can just do it all for free?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 19:47:59 2014 No.12564916 >>12564785 Maybe if he starts regularly succeeding in kickstarters he'll be able to adopt a traditional pay-on-release method in the future with his built up industry experience/acquired capital.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 19:53:27 2014 No.12564929 >>12564916 As we're beginning to approach double digit kickstarters, I'm thinking no.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 19:54:57 2014 No.12564936 >>12564785 Isn't it only an hour or two long? Where the fuck is all the money going exactly?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 19:56:55 2014 No.12564946 >>12564936 Dovac's pocket. Where do you think?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 20:00:16 2014 No.12564952 http://erogamescape.dyndns.org/~ap2/ero/toukei_kaiseki/game.php?game=21138 Sure seems like a winner.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 20:02:55 2014 No.12564959 The funniest part is that usually, games are overpriced in the Japanese market and cheaper overseas. Here, he's marking the price up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 20:06:54 2014 No.12564971 >>12564959 What are you talking about? The price is 15$ if you commit to the kickstarter. You can't have to donate more than that if you want a copy of the VN.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 20:08:38 2014 No.12564978 >>12564971 No shit, Sherlock. What piece of information are you missing?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 20:14:04 2014 No.12564995 >>12564978 Well, then how much was the original in yen? Don't withold information to win an argument in an artificial way.

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 20:16:09 2014 No.12565003

>>12564995
Here's what you do, dumbass.

You take the title of the game. Since you seem stupid, I mean the Japanese title of the game. Then you put it into Google. Open up one of the dozens of vendor site results and look for the price.

Now you know how to do it on your own, shitface.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 20:18:02 2014 No.12565006 File: 38 KB, 174x198, 4490127592493.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12565003 :) Eroge master!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 20:27:25 2014 No.12565024 >>12565003 http://www.3-get.com/?main_page=product_info&products_id=2576 Pretty close to $15

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 20:30:06 2014 No.12565030

>>12564995
Looking like it's on sale for slightly above 1500 yen right now at various sites.

Though it was apparently crowdfunded as well, it looks to be very different from what I'd expect from a crowdfunding project: http://camp-fire.jp/projects/view/947
I have no idea what I'm really looking at here. There's only 12 backers, the target amount is only 100,000 yen and none of the reward tiers seem to contain the game itself. Whatever it is, it's not crowdfunding in the way we're used to.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 20:31:59 2014 No.12565035 Why does anybody want an eroge on steam? If sekai DOES release anything on steam, will it also release a non-steam standalone? Why would I want my friends knowing I'm reading a censored chinese porn picture book?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 20:32:05 2014 No.12565036 >>12565030 >$1060 to make the game >$10,000 to translate it. MAKES SENSE TO ME

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 20:34:12 2014 No.12565037 >>12565036 I knew someone would run with that the moment I posted it. Read my post and check the page. There's no way they did the entire development, let alone license the voices, for just $1000.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 20:34:25 2014 No.12565039 >>12565030 While not common, it's not unheard of.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 20:35:26 2014 No.12565043 >>12565037 Yeah, they expected to them sell it to recoup money. Because they expected people to buy it. As opposed to not expecting anybody to buy it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 20:36:27 2014 No.12565045 >>12565043 >to them to then

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 20:37:44 2014 No.12565051

>>12565043
Anon, do you even understand what you're saying? Why were they using a crowdfunding site in the first place if they can't develop it for the target amount, but do have the budget to develop it and expect to make enough money to get revenue making up for the development costs? Where does the crowdfunding come in?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 20:39:31 2014 No.12565058 For those wondering about the length, I just checked the site and apparently it's 500kb. Going off of TLWiki that's longer than Saya no Uta, similar to A Profile, or a bit shorter than one chapter of Higurashi. Typical doujin game length.

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 20:40:53 2014 No.12565063

>>12565051
They want more money from stupid people willing to donate apparently hundreds of dollars to them.

As opposed to SP's cynical approach, without any confidence that they're releasing anything people will actually want, so the only way it's going to 'sell' is if they buy it sight unseen while intimating that true fans would do that to support them and lying about what the money is being used for.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 20:45:49 2014 No.12565075 >>12565051 They used the crowdfunding site to finish up the game and do promotion for it. It sounds like they may have run out of money toward the end of production so they turned to campfire to get it finished.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 20:48:47 2014 No.12565080 >>12565063 >so the only way it's going to 'sell' is if they buy it sight unseen But Anon, they plan to release a demo when the crowdfunding page goes live (as they did with Fault), and the Japanese version is already out.

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 20:50:18 2014 No.12565086

>>12565058
>For those wondering about the length, I just checked the site and apparently it's 500kb.

512000 bytes
2-3 bytes per moonrune
(arbitrary amount of chaff that's scriping)
0.01 per character at the mangagamer going rate.

End result, translation probably costs 1.5-2grand. +Whatever for an editor.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 20:51:02 2014 No.12565087 >>12565080 A demo of a four hour doujin game. Is it going to be 15 minutes long?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 21:00:11 2014 No.12565114 >>12565086 Assuming 500kb is even accurate and doesn't include things like script, speaker tags, or duplicated text as almost every VN script is full of.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 21:03:28 2014 No.12565127 >>12565114 >Assuming 500kb is even accurate and doesn't include things like script, speaker tags, or duplicated text as almost every VN script is full of. >(arbitrary amount of chaff that's scriping)

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 21:04:33 2014 No.12565131 >>12565114 Well, it says シナリオボリュームは約500KB, which sounds like it doesn't include scripting stuff, but who knows.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 21:16:11 2014 No.12565155 http://vndb.org/t5823.12 Dovac is teaching other wanna-be localizer how to do PR. Best joke of year.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 21:20:16 2014 No.12565162 >>12565127 That "arbitrary amount" could easily be anywhere from 2% to 25% depending on the script format and how they're counting it. It's not necessarily negligible chaff.

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 21:41:07 2014 No.12565223

>>12565162

I specifically listed it because of that. It's there to tell you to pick whatever arbitrary number you think is script chaff. 512000/2.5=bout 2grand. Depending on how much you think is script chaff, you lop off 25%, you get 1.5, 10% you get 1.8, etc. Hence 1.5-2grand.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 21:45:18 2014 No.12565237 >>12565086 >2-3 bytes per moonrune It's 1-2 bytes per moonrune, heavily leaning towards 2.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 21:51:00 2014 No.12565254 >>12565237 Depends on encoding. SJIS and UCS will make it 2 bytes. UTF-8 will make it 3 bytes for kanji.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 21:53:47 2014 No.12565261 Are there any "good" translators that take commisions? Talking slightly below Ilxrec level.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 21:57:03 2014 No.12565271 >>12565254 It's customary to use SJIS to measure script size. Also, in UTF-8 basically all Japanese characters are 3 bytes, not just kanji. Some rare kanji are 4 bytes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 21:57:51 2014 No.12565277 >>12565237 >It's 1-2 bytes per moonrune, heavily leaning towards 2. I'm pretty sure most modern japanese encodings are 2-byte/3-byte I'd be surprised if there was a single byte one beyond those crazy early katakana only ones

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 21:57:57 2014 No.12565279 >>12565261 Your best bet is approaching people who have already finished stuff, especially since you've indicated you're not too worried about quality. Will still likely take the same amount of time as if they did it on their own though.

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 21:58:14 2014 No.12565281

>>12565261
>Talking slightly below Ilxrec level.
ATLAS, Google Translate. Altho most of the time they do better than Ixrec, so I guess its wrong to say "slightly below".

If you want something actually readable and accurate, there was that Otomaid guy, he has reasonable rates and above Ixrec.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 22:03:44 2014 No.12565293 >>12565155 That's not PR advice and also he's right in that case.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 22:04:02 2014 No.12565294 >>12565277 In SJIS everything is 2 bytes except for romaji, numbers, and punctuation (and half-width katakana but no one uses that), which are 1 byte.

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 22:10:01 2014 No.12565311

>>12565162
I did a comparison from a random fragment of Umineko script: http://pastebin.com/UhhLprCk (may contain Umineko spoilers if you can read moonrunes).
Roughly 27% of it is script...in a normal fragment of text. There's also tons of system functions like menus and the like, plus situations where more scripting things happen than just sprites appearing and disappearing (in Umineko it gets as excessive as http://pastebin.com/jAtWu5Q1 , but that's Umineko).

Naturally, nobody would count their scenario size to include scripting. That would be ridiculous, considering how much it can be inflated from fancy scripting (see the excessive scripting example above).

>>12565254
>>12565277
SJIS is the standard for comparing script sizes. SJIS uses 1 byte for alphabetic characters and katakana and 2 bytes for everything else.

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 22:16:52 2014 No.12565334

>>12565311

Why not go by line/word count? How many liens of text, and on average how long are those lines? word count's pretty standard in English at any rate.

They won't be able to establish word count right off the bad, but line count is pretty straightforward.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 22:21:09 2014 No.12565350 >>12565334 It would honestly make more sense to go by character count for Japanese, since that's basically what KB count is except normalized for different encodings. But whatever, everyone does KB count.

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 22:45:43 2014 No.12565429

>>12565311
>Naturally, nobody would count their scenario size to include scripting. That would be ridiculous, considering how much it can be inflated from fancy scripting (see the excessive scripting example above).
This might surprise you, but visual novel developers are really fucking bad at programming. Who knows what they're counting? I've seen a script that has furigana for literally every single kanji, which made it almost twice as large as you'd expect.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 22:47:19 2014 No.12565436 http://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/2i8ihy/sekai_project_to_bring_was_lepidoptera_no/cl0mxvg lol dovac

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 22:49:42 2014 No.12565442 >>12565436 Its time for him to invoke Holocaust and start suing people for racism.

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 22:58:18 2014 No.12565470

>>12565334
>Why not go by line/word count?
Because of this:

――ん？
「............」
「朝からこれでは、\p精神衛生上よくないな」
「............」
......はい？
「先が思いやられるが致し方ない......これも覚悟の上」
......はい？
オ、オレは、アンタと一緒に寝るって覚悟できてないんだけど......？
だ、誰っ！？
アンタ誰なのっっっっっ！！？
-Muv-Luv Extra (10 lines)

──暗い。
──ここはなんと暗いのだ。
石畳の路地を歩く革靴の乾いた音が響く。それ以外に何の音もない。
いや。いいや、違う。聞こえてくるのは私の靴音だけではない。焦りを込めて早足に歩くこの音だけでは。
息づかい。ひゅうひゅうと苦しげな私の息がある。
歴史上最高の繁栄を謳歌する大英帝国、首都ロンドンの暗がりを歩く男の息だ。私の息だ。
ここには誰もいない。ここには誰もいないのか。
私の靴音と息づかいのふたつだけが響く静寂の世界の中にあって、^n私は、そう、知っていた。
誰もいないのだ。ここには、私しか、いない。
-Shikkoku no Sharnoth (9 lines - in line count, shorter than Muv-Luv Extra's example.)

For word count, what is a 'word'? In English, it's the strings of text separated by spaces. But what about Japanese? Is 俺達 one word or two? What about 'words' like は, が, へ and so on (the latter generally has an English equivalent in most contexts that's considered a word, but at the same time how are the first two words?). Then we get to stuff like 生徒会. Is the word '生徒会' or is it two words, '生徒' and '会'? Without any standardization of what is a 'word', word count just doesn't work in Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 23:00:02 2014 No.12565478 >>12565470 This is why character count makes the most sense for japanese text.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 23:01:03 2014 No.12565485 >>12565478 It's important to remember that it can still be really far off from reality though. See Giga and older Alicesoft scripts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 23:03:21 2014 No.12565494 >>12565429 Scenarios are written separately first and scripted later. The only way a misunderstanding like this could happen from the creator's self-reported numbers would be blatant intentional false advertising.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 23:09:18 2014 No.12565518 >>12565494 A creator making exaggerated but technically true claims about their product in order for it to sound more attractive to buyers? That has surely never ever happened before.

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 23:11:28 2014 No.12565525

>>12565470

I mean word count in English, not Japanese, which is why it'd take some effort to establish. We use line count to track progress personally, because character count always seems weird (like how いたします doesn't really add all that much to どうぞよろしくお願いいたします. It's technically necessary for grammar purposes, but it's not conveying meaning in the same way お願い or other characters in the sentence do).

Line lengths work out to a surprising consistency; there're obvious maximums and minimums (like fighting noises or sex), but overall a VN's line length tends to fall on a bell curve.

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 23:16:49 2014 No.12565539
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>>12565436

The only person who called you a lying sack of shit was yourself, dovac. He just said you were lying. You might want to file down that chip on your shoulder a bit.

Also I dunno if I'd start flinging shit on reddit. They're retarded, but unlike /jp/ might actually try to do something about it.

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 23:17:11 2014 No.12565541

>>12565525
Consistency within the game, but not so much between them. A game that has a maximum character width of 50 and 4 lines is going to be different from one with 48 and 2.

Or even just writing style. I think it's Chusingura that has an absurdly inflated line count because every action scene in it has 20+ 'lines' of sound effects (swords clashing for example) between each line of narration.

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 23:24:07 2014 No.12565561

>>12565525
But we're measuring an as-of-yet-untranslated VN's length here. Word count simply isn't an applicable metric.

Word count in translated text also isn't necessarily representative for original length. The translator's personal style can strongly affect the word count. Take Narcissu's translations, for example:

>(... true, I wasn't very healthy ever since I was a child ...)
>Even so, I attended elementary school like all the others,
>and during summer breaks I often played until I was utterly tanned.
>
>June. Shortly after my entry into middle school.
>The day after I'd ordered a swimsuit for use the next month.
>My first hospitalization.
>
>On a day just before the first semester midterms,
>on a day when the first drops of rain were so cruelly cold.
>
>Falling from amidst the pure white of the overcast sky.

-Seung "gp32" Park (63 words)

>"My health was never particularly good, sure..."
>But I was able to attend primary school like anyone else.
>In the summer holidays I was able to play till the sun burnt me black.
>
>It was June, just after I entered middle school.
>It was just before the midterm tests.
>It was the day after I ordered a swimming costume for the summer.
>That was the first day I was admitted to hospital.
>
>It was a cold, unpleasant, drizzly day.
>Shrouded by the rainy sky, murky, white, and damp.

-Haeleth (88 words)

Anonymous Tue Oct 7 23:26:16 2014 No.12565567

>>12565541

Right, which is why it's a dual line/word count thing. That way when we get an AliceSoft title that's reported as ~60k lines but has about half the words as one that's ~30k they end up working out to be about the same amount of effort. The difference ends up showing itself in lines TL'd/day.

Only really works for games that either have had a decent amount of TL already done or are complete though. Still better than raw size though IMO.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 23:37:14 2014 No.12565596 >>12565567 I don't think the doujin circle that made this game had English translations on their mind when they listed the script size on their website prior to release.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 7 23:39:27 2014 No.12565604 >>12565596 Oh come now, reading the conversation before posting? What're you thinking.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 02:50:49 2014 No.12566114 >>12565539 Wow, he actually updated his goals now: >For programming and translation we would need $10,000. Even if we don't make the goal of $10,000 translation will be completed but there will be no chance for voices.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 03:02:14 2014 No.12566140 >>12566114 I don't understand who is he trying to trick with such obvious lies.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 07:15:15 2014 No.12566773 So dovac was saying in the past that he doesn't care about Grisaia torrents, but today he threatened fuwanovel with legal actions and forced them remove torrent links from site. Consistent and sticking to own promises as always.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 07:20:22 2014 No.12566783 >>12566114 Is that even allowed? It's like he's saying "well, we could pay for the translation ourselves, but why don't you guys pay for it for us instead"

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 07:22:57 2014 No.12566787 File: 344 KB, 606x651, dovac_fuwa.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12566773 dovac the internet tough guy.

Anonymous Wed Oct 8 08:03:03 2014 No.12566879 [DELETED]

>>12566773
>We're not censoring grisaria
>We are censoring grisaria
>Steam dual release
>Wait No
>Ask me in november

>Guys I need your money for VAs
>No wait, to translate it
>No wait, I'll translate it even if I don't get the money
>plz give monies though

>There's no point in c/ding grisaria torrents
>You bitches better take down those torrents!

>clannad's using the fantranslation
>no wait, we're using doki's
>no wait, we're using doki's but throwing a lot of it out and editing it?

damn dovac you should get out of the VN business and into the footwear manufacturing industry cause you're a goddamn master of flip-flops.

Anonymous Wed Oct 8 08:04:37 2014 No.12566884

>>12566773
>We're not censoring grisaia
>We are censoring grisaia
>Steam dual release
>Wait No
>Ask me in november

>Guys I need your money for VAs
>No wait, to translate it
>No wait, I'll translate it even if I don't get the money
>plz give monies though

>There's no point in c/ding grisaria torrents
>You bitches better take down those torrents!

>clannad's using the fantranslation
>no wait, we're using doki's
>no wait, we're using doki's but throwing a lot of it out and editing it?

damn dovac you should get out of the VN business and into the footwear manufacturing industry cause you're a goddamn master of flip-flops.

Anonymous Wed Oct 8 11:56:40 2014 No.12567525

The only reason he uses Kickstarter is because he assumes (correctly) that people won't read his bullshit and make the assumption that without giving him at least 10k, it won't be released. If it was about the voices, that's where the KS should be set.

But it's not. It's about lining his pockets by extorting money under veiled threats for shitty games.

Anonymous Wed Oct 8 12:18:42 2014 No.12567586

>>12567525

Yeah it sounds like he just wants to keep the initial goal low so they can get payout more easily. If that $30k was the starting point, there'd be a higher chance they wouldn't hit it at all = no money for dovac. Really, probably the best deal for them would be to hit just under the first voice stretch goal.

Anonymous Wed Oct 8 14:07:39 2014 No.12567828

>>12566773
I am guessing after the first episode of the Grisaia anime was both well recieved and popular, Dovac is now in a panic because significantly more people are now downloading the fanTL after being introduced to the franchise through the anime, and thus those people are going to be playing the title now rather than waiting for his release months down the road. Piracy is a tricky issue as always and certainty will affect his bottom line on what he will get from Grisaia, but Sekai Project isn't going to have much luck in anti-piracy where every other company in the related industry has failed, regardless of if he is in the right.

>>12566884
For Grisaia uncensoring, that is somewhat more understandable than the others rapid changes he made, because rather than changing his mind, he realized he had a problem where he thought he wouldn't have one. Initially he figured it would be no big deal, as did the rest of the people involved with the fanTL and TLWiki. Recall back during AX, multiple people involved with either the fanTL or TLWiki were making posts saying people were being stupid for getting upset over only an all ages release. Once Dovac realized more people than just small a group on /jp/ (that he could safely ignore) were unhappy about the censorship, he tried to tap dance around the issue by saying something along the lines of "We aren't censoring it because the version we are translating has nothing to censor." He dropped that line though once he realized no on was going along with that, especially with how far out of his way he had to go to get that censored version. So with no other options he probably feels like he is forced to do something, and probably will announce that with his upcoming announcement.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 14:57:58 2014 No.12567924 >>12566773 this dovac shithead should just kill himself already. i wish they fail miserably with their steam release.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 16:40:18 2014 No.12568233 >>12563051 White men can't jump. Brown people can't translate.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 17:56:04 2014 No.12568444 >>12568233 What do you mean? Dargoth is a nigger?

Anonymous Wed Oct 8 18:52:33 2014 No.12568655

>>12567828
>because significantly more people are now downloading the fanTL
Well, yes, thats true. A lot of people who don't read VNs asked me for Grisaia dl links after first episode.
Oh well, just show how bad dovac is at this whole thing. If he wouldn't be so retarded, he would concentrate his efforts on sync-releasing game with anime, tl is long done so there are no roadblocks to do it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 18:54:11 2014 No.12568662 >>12565470 >what is a 'word'? A miserable pile of letters.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 19:36:26 2014 No.12568799 >>12565006 Oh look, it's batman pretending not to be batman

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 19:41:15 2014 No.12568818 >>12568799 We should call him soapman.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 20:30:50 2014 No.12568995 >>12566787 top kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 20:38:28 2014 No.12569024 File: 10 KB, 575x82, retired.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Dovac is shutting down his twitter account.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 20:45:05 2014 No.12569058 >>12569024 He's still got his blog, Reddit, and all his Kickstarters to constantly put his foot in his mouth in. Hell, just in that Reddit thread linked he says multiple contradictory things.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 20:45:18 2014 No.12569059 >>12569024 What a surprise, with you guys publicly scrutinizing every single thing he tweets. Guess you guys better get to IRC now to scrutinize everything he says on there!

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 20:47:11 2014 No.12569067 >>12569059 Alternatively, you could stop going back on your word, trying to doubletalk people, and making racist tweets.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 20:49:46 2014 No.12569077 >>12569024 uh good job?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 20:50:58 2014 No.12569083 >>12569024 I bet he will open it again in few days.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 20:51:45 2014 No.12569086 >>12569059 He stopped using IRC as well some time ago.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 20:52:04 2014 No.12569088 >>12569024 Do you know why Dovac was threatening fuwanovel >>12566787

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 21:01:48 2014 No.12569128 >>12565155 Jesus christ, it's like you live and breathe to fap over dovac.

Anonymous Wed Oct 8 22:41:18 2014 No.12569373

>>12568655
They're doing another editing pass and there are the new scenes to TL, and who knows what else. It probably would not have been feasible to release the game at this point no matter what.

What he should absolutely do is try to get a pre-order up ASAP so people can see the game on steam and have a way to buy it while the potential hype is at its peak.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 22:46:07 2014 No.12569385 If Dovac takes down fuwanovel it would actually greatly improve the translation scene.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 22:47:45 2014 No.12569387 >>12569385 Yeah, fuwanovel does more harm than good.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 22:55:41 2014 No.12569423 How many Futsuus does it take?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 23:08:47 2014 No.12569484 >>12569423 Any number multiplied by zero is zero.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 23:11:41 2014 No.12569498 >>12569484 What if you divide by Futsuu?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 23:26:40 2014 No.12569561 >>12569498 Don't do it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 8 23:45:32 2014 No.12569637 >>12569498 You'll find out Futsuu's true identity! It's too early in the story for that, don't reveal such spoilers already! With that information, the posters would do things differently and the plan would never succeed!

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 00:08:28 2014 No.12569726 >>12569637 Is he Tuxedo Mask or Sailor Moon?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 00:24:51 2014 No.12569819 >>12569726 Futsuu is /jp/ itself. It eventually turns out that the hate towards the 'Futsuu' persona is self-hate stemming from the dependence on fan translators and /jp/'s own inability to translate.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 00:28:20 2014 No.12569840 >>12569819 Deep.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 00:35:19 2014 No.12569884 >>12569840 Just wait until the part where they accept and try to revive Futsuu. Seriously, that part was amazing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 04:20:43 2014 No.12570430 >>12566773 >>12566787 He sure is a dick.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 04:24:30 2014 No.12570443 >>12569884 Whoa, man, spoiler that shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 05:59:46 2014 No.12570673 Question for the people complaining about that VN's translation: How does it compare to the translation of the classic "Tiny Boobs Giant Tits History"?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 06:09:16 2014 No.12570694 >>12566884 Haha, this was good.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 06:11:30 2014 No.12570699 >>12570673 >that VN Which one?

Anonymous Thu Oct 9 09:20:49 2014 No.12571016

>>12570443
Anon, Futsuu was dead from like almost the very start of the story. It was a given they'd try to revive him considering how they kept bringing him up all the time. (They paid more attention to him when he's dead than when he was still alive.)

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 09:52:51 2014 No.12571059 >>12569024 A pretty smart decision for smart. But a bit sad, in a way. Now I'll have to dig through reddit for my daily dose of dovac drama

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 11:12:43 2014 No.12571199 Why is Dovac's personal twitter protected again? I think he doesn't like us.

Anonymous Thu Oct 9 11:17:46 2014 No.12571214

https://twitter.com/sekaiproject/status/520023407811756032

Dovac's alright. He's bringing us this.

The problem is that guy really needs a publicity manager. Hell, I'd do the job for him. Dovac, if you're reading this, let me be your publicity manager. I'll do it for shit all money. Just give me partial control of your social media accounts and let me read everything before you post it and edit it to make you sound more nice..

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 12:04:52 2014 No.12571318 >>12571214 The fact that it's already fan-translated? You could always be more direct and just say you want to suck his dick.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 12:08:50 2014 No.12571329 >>12571318 The video is of Meikyuu, which hasn't been translated yet. Probably means they will be doing the whole series.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 12:14:13 2014 No.12571335 >>12571329 >Probably means they will be doing the whole series. Yeah, sure, if they get enough KS bucks for it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 16:12:54 2014 No.12571921 >>12571329 If he has all the titles, the question will become will he release the titles with only an all ages version, an all ages but general nudity patched back in (like he is doing for Sunrider), or have an 18+ uncut version somewhere.

Anonymous Thu Oct 9 16:45:17 2014 No.12571970

There's no all ages versions of anything but the first game. Largely because the second is about 25% fucking.

So SP can tease it all they want. Unless they take the plunge into R18 stuff, which they keep shying away from already with the first one and making up excuses about how the R15 port is totally just as good, they're not going to be doing the rest.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 16:51:14 2014 No.12571991 >>12571214 >He's bringing us this. He's bringing you censored copy, without all the glorious sex with Julia and Kazuki.

Anonymous Thu Oct 9 17:33:18 2014 No.12572137 [DELETED]

Looks like mangagamer is changing the higurashi sprites a bit after people bitched about them. Shion's gained a bra and Rena's hat has increased in size.

I wonder if they responded to the tumblr whining and covered satoko up even further. Doddler didn't seem too keen on that one, so it's possible they didn't. I also kinda hope they don't to stick to those tumblrinas.

Anonymous Thu Oct 9 17:34:55 2014 No.12572144 [DELETED]

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Looks like mangagamer is changing the higurashi sprites a bit after people bitched about them. Shion's gained a bra and Rena's hat has increased in size.

I wonder if they responded to the tumblr whining and covered satoko up even further. Doddler didn't seem too keen on that one, so it's possible they didn't. I also kinda hope they don't to stick to those tumblrinas.

Anonymous Thu Oct 9 17:41:34 2014 No.12572165
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Looks like mangagamer is changing the higurashi sprites a bit after people bitched about them. Mion's gained a bra and Rena's hat has increased in size.

I wonder if they responded to the tumblr whining and covered satoko up even further. Doddler didn't seem too keen on that one, so it's possible they didn't. I also kinda hope they don't in order to stick to those tumblrinas.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 17:45:08 2014 No.12572176 >>12572165 Mion's old sprite looked fucking stupid anyway, so I'm fine with that. Just as long as they don't further censor Satoko. I get the feeling Doddler would have said something on his Twitter if they had, though, so I'm guessing they didn't.

Anonymous Thu Oct 9 17:51:54 2014 No.12572209

>>12572176

I think they're basing the changes off a french guy who posts in the higurashi threads and on animesuki who "improved" the mangagamer sprites. Those are the same changes he made and he twit'd doddler with a manifesto of examples and changes he wants to see.

If I recall, all he did for satoko was add bruises and change the towel back to blue. So we might end up with added bruises.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 17:57:42 2014 No.12572223 File: 684 KB, 1238x724, ThisIsAlsoTheGuyBehindTheTumblrCampaign.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12572209 Oh, and speaking of that higurashi animesuki thread >mangagamer target audience >not atleast 50% lolicon

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 18:05:36 2014 No.12572241 >>12572165 It does looks better than that vacuum-sealed shirt. The only problem is >>12572176 >Just as long as they don't further censor Satoko. Is definitely going to happen as well.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 18:37:17 2014 No.12572354 File: 38 KB, 716x489, ItShouldBeIllegalForOneManToBeThisBased.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] doddler, you're one of the few men I'd offer my anal virginity to.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 18:48:27 2014 No.12572393 >>12572165 >>12572354 Actually I wonder if it's doddler himself who's editing the sprites. Nothing's changed so far that would require anything more than a bit of redrawing talent like doddler did with some of imopara.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 19:55:54 2014 No.12572668 >>12571970 An all ages version of Meikyuu comes out for psp and psv in just a few weeks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 21:09:02 2014 No.12572901 >>12572354 Doddler is one of the few people in the scene that always manages to seem like a rational and intelligent human being. He is also competent at his job which is another separating factor.

Anonymous Thu Oct 9 21:23:04 2014 No.12572938

>>12572901

He's cool, but he's still just a "contractor" so he can get away with a bit more. For example, https://twitter.com/The_Doddler/status/520247929034903553 while awesome(and completely understandable and logical), is probably something you shouldn't be doing if you were in say, dovac's position, and were in charge of selling your shit to largest audience you could.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 21:27:45 2014 No.12572956 >>12572901 What about me? ;_;

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 21:30:04 2014 No.12572963 >>12572956 No one cares about you

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 21:30:48 2014 No.12572966 >>12572956 >What about me? >;_; >;_; >;_; I don't know who are you, but you sure write like retard.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 21:36:17 2014 No.12572983 >>12572901 He knows he shouldn't take most people around here seriously, unlike Dovac. Like when he got called a pedophile. He laughed about it and brushed it off.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 21:42:21 2014 No.12573005 >>12572983 >He knows he shouldn't take most people around here seriously, unlike Dovac. That's true, but I'm just saying that he's not the pinnacle of perfect judgement(but then again who is, I guess?)

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 21:53:43 2014 No.12573027 >>12572966 >>12572963 This is why you don't get nice things from me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 22:37:39 2014 No.12573147 http://ask.fm/The_Doddler/answer/118377189873 Hi Doddler.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 22:38:27 2014 No.12573151 >>12571329 Isn't there an ongoing translation of it in tlwiki?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 22:39:33 2014 No.12573154 >>12573151 Koestl is working for MangaGamer now, so its onhold.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 22:40:23 2014 No.12573157 People say nude Satoko was not sexual but we fapped anyway right?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 22:41:10 2014 No.12573160 >>12573157 I was doing that before she was naked, though

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 22:44:37 2014 No.12573168 I really want to support Front Wing, but I can't say it feels right to support Sekai Project when they shy away from anything eroge while also being condescending pricks about it. It leaves me rather conflicted.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 22:47:58 2014 No.12573178 >>12573168 AmiAmi still sells Grisaia games overseas. You can order all 3 right now and support FrongWing directly. You also get cool hardbox instead shitty digital code.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 23:06:01 2014 No.12573219 Herkz seems to have a lot of trouble coming up with a good response when he gets owned hard. It happens pretty often.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 9 23:11:58 2014 No.12573234 >>12573219 If you're going to export drama, please do us a favor and at least provide context

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 01:06:37 2014 No.12573517 Killer Queen NEVER.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 01:16:51 2014 No.12573535 >>12573517 GOD DAMN IT.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 01:22:18 2014 No.12573544 >>12573234 There is no context, this is just a general statement. Like, something you'll notice if you watch herkz for a bit.

Anonymous Fri Oct 10 01:33:16 2014 No.12573565

Some guy just announced on Fuwa that they're already almost halfway through translating Idol Mahou Shoujo Chiru Chiru. Some people may flip out because it's fuwanovel, but it's not a project organized there, he registered just now to post about it.

http://imgur.com/a/fgABg

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 01:35:17 2014 No.12573572 >>12573565 C&D from Dovac in 3... 2...

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 01:37:20 2014 No.12573576 >>12573572 dovac doesn't have any legal rights on ChiruChiru, so you could sue him for such blatant abuse of DMCA, it has such clauses.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 01:42:30 2014 No.12573587 >>12573576 But he can encourage FrontWing to issue one.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 04:09:58 2014 No.12574157 >>12573565 Nice, cool to see a project announced that actually has substantial progress already. This will be done before Dovac can do anything about it. Say goodbye to your money, nerd.

Anonymous Fri Oct 10 04:17:26 2014 No.12574204

Looks like mangagamer's got a sale going on with some of their older titles in case you're one of those weird people that aren't willing to pay 50 bucks for harukoi but would totally buy it if it were 25.

I wonder if they actually move any decent numbers with sales? I'd think most of their selling would be frontloaded as fuck, but then again fucking dmc's been chugging along on their charts for nearly a year straight now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 05:18:38 2014 No.12574413 I can't imagine they get many window shoppers who can be drawn in by a sale. It's probably mostly just the same old regulars who want an excuse to pick up some stuff they have previously skipped.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 05:23:23 2014 No.12574424 >>12574204 DMC is dirt-cheap + has awesome and misleading art + pretends to have gameplay. I've bought it too, thinking it would be yuri vn.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 05:23:35 2014 No.12574426 >>12574204 I actually used this opportunity to buy Kira Kira and Edelweiss bundle. My order number is 16057. Back in july 8th I bought ImoPara. Its order number is 12711. Seems like they're selling about 1000 copies for month as of recently.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 05:26:19 2014 No.12574433 >>12574426 > 16057 Could you please specify exact day? Need it for my MG-stalking purposes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 05:27:34 2014 No.12574436 >>12574426 Also, my latest datapoint is 2014-09-18:15327, so seems like less than 1000.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 05:30:50 2014 No.12574446 >>12574433 >>12574436 Today. I'll probably buy Cartagra by the end of the pre-order period.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 05:34:17 2014 No.12574456 >>12574426 But you have no idea how the order numbers work. Is it overall? Do they reset it every year? Or every fiscal year?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 05:35:18 2014 No.12574457 >>12574456 Also, if you buy several things, it's counted as one order.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 05:36:21 2014 No.12574461 >>12574456 We have pretty good idea how it works because we were stalking them for a while and have one order per one or two months for 2 years. Numbers are sequential and never reset, except when they launched renewed site 2 years ago.

Anonymous Fri Oct 10 05:40:53 2014 No.12574467

>>12574426
>>12574436

700 to be divided between d2bvdeardrops, imopara, and cartagra preorders huh?

What do you suppose, 300 imoparas, 200 cartagras, only a hundred d2bvdeardropss? With the leftover being etc. imopara's been mostly at the top of mangagamer's chart until this last week where cartagra overtook it

Seems like d2bvsdeardrops probably really did bomb

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 05:45:08 2014 No.12574472 >>12574467 >imopara No, imopara sold most of its copies a bit earlier. 2014-07-08:12711 makes it around 2k.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 05:46:36 2014 No.12574476 >>12574467 Ah, you mean within this month. Yep, that seems about right, d2b fandisk was confirmed as failure by Doddler.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 05:47:26 2014 No.12574477 >>12574472 Assuming their weekly charts are accurate, it's been rank 1 literally until this week, and it's 2 now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 06:18:50 2014 No.12574538 File: 18 KB, 441x144, That's what they said last week.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12573535 >>12573517 Never indeed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 07:45:56 2014 No.12574708 >>12574424 Uh, isn't it a yuri VN? With gameplay.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 07:52:05 2014 No.12574715 >>12574708 Its not VN at all. There's like 100kb of text or even less. Most of art is not used in any scenes, which just adds more pain to the wound.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 10:41:04 2014 No.12575007 >>12574715 I see. Shoulda just downloaded the art, I guess.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 12:08:34 2014 No.12575232 >>12562586 erm there is a steam chat app for android/ios dude, but yeah irc is better

Anonymous Fri Oct 10 14:19:02 2014 No.12575625

http://sekaiproject.tumblr.com/post/99653020371/how-do-you-feel-about-people-complaining-about-all-age
I...I just can't comprehend this. Is this trolling or just plain ignorance of the repercussions of such comments?
To top on all this, people are asking on SP tumblr for them to try to license Favorite titles. What the fuck is happening to the english VN community...

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 14:21:14 2014 No.12575633 >>12575625 Uh, good luck with that one since Favorite doesn't do all-ages versions.

Anonymous Fri Oct 10 15:53:28 2014 No.12575930

>>12575625
So that was the response eh? Just as condescending as ever.
Well, it's settled. I won't purchase a copy even though I wanted to support Front Wing's attempt of western localization.

There is one thing to be professional about the whole thing. Explaining directly and to the point, from the beginning, why eroge titles goes against their business model and how it doesn't allow for it. While elaborating on the topic, their stance and perhaps even Front Wing's stance, and end it by apologetically apologizing for not being able to provide it.

And being all wishy washy, dodging clear answers while being condescending pricks about the entire thing. Seriously. How does one even go about their business like that, while keeping their job?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 16:21:12 2014 No.12576033 >>12575930 Same way Kouryuu keeps his job. There's nobody who can read English above them to yank the choke chain and get the fucktards back in line.

Anonymous Fri Oct 10 16:33:29 2014 No.12576082

>>12575625
A new non-trolling answer from him.

http://sekaiproject.tumblr.com/post/99668519021/is-there-any-chance-of-you-releasing-the-original-pc

I would have to think though this means with his upcoming announcement he plans to announce all ages only versions (or at best, patch in some nudity but not H-scenes) of the 2 Grisaia sequels, and then blame Frontwing for it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 16:53:54 2014 No.12576124 >>12576082 That's fine, we already know it's his own fault. Gotta get that 12 year old french girl audience that absolutely exists.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 17:50:58 2014 No.12576299 >>12576033 Evospace can actually read english though

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 18:00:22 2014 No.12576328 http://prefundia.com/projects/view/lets-bring-the-grisaia-trilogy-to-the-west/2814/ Jesus Christ.

Anonymous Fri Oct 10 18:08:00 2014 No.12576348

>>12576328
>We will have a edition with the mature content uncut on our own platform

After months of being a fucking cocktease, is it finally over? Or is there going to be another flip-flop?

Also seems it's confirmed koetsl will be doing the rest of them for sekai project if the project succeeds

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 18:08:36 2014 No.12576351 >>12576328 On one hand: fuck dovac. On the other: koestl is a cool dude and he deserves to be compensated for his work. I wonder what this platform they're talking about is. Is SP going to build their own store site?

Anonymous Fri Oct 10 18:09:16 2014 No.12576353

I guess the new company line is that voices are the magical unverifiable thing that they can just handwave "give us money for this."

Not to mention:
>$40,000 for first game localization payment and voices for entire series (3.73 mb script)
>$80,000 for nothing but localizing second and third games (3.3 mb script)

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 18:09:24 2014 No.12576354 >>12576328 >We will have a edition with the mature content uncut on our own platform Well, at least there's that.

Anonymous Fri Oct 10 18:09:50 2014 No.12576360

>>12576328
>We will have a edition with the mature content uncut on our own platform; we're working on bringing the all-ages version of the trilogy to Steam, but if Steam rejects the games, then we will release the all-ages versions on our platform as well.
The only thing that matters there. I'm not paying anything until I can confirm myself that every bit of 'mature content' remains intact or, better yet, is officially uncensored.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 18:10:18 2014 No.12576362 >>12576351 You think that's going to Koestl and not to Dovac?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 18:11:43 2014 No.12576367 >>12576328 Holy shit. Is there someone who'll actually give $3.500 to localize grisaia? It's about fucking time they said something concrete regarding the ero content on the PC version.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 18:12:10 2014 No.12576369 >>12576360 >>12576354 >>12576348 Unless he goes back on his word. Again. Because that's only happened with literally every single thing he's announced so far.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 18:14:01 2014 No.12576380 WEE got nearly $100k, so $120k with a popular and currently airing anime should be a non issue.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 18:14:09 2014 No.12576381 Well, I can get behind a $30 price point at least. MangaGamer's prices for their large VNs are totally retarded so seeing a VN bigger than anything MG has ever done with a proposed price of $30 is nice.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 18:16:31 2014 No.12576392 >>12576381 >I'm completely ignorant about how this market works but fuck it. I'm right anyway.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 18:17:08 2014 No.12576396 >>12576362 Koestl is getting paid for this. If the Kickstarter doesn't reach its goals, Koestl doesn't get paid. Pretty cut and dry.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 18:17:12 2014 No.12576397 >>12576381 MG also doesn't kickstart every game they do. They have to recoup localization costs somehow.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 18:18:52 2014 No.12576406 >>12576397 Regardless of the reasons why the prices are the way they are, it's still good that there will be more reasonably priced options.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 18:19:10 2014 No.12576408 >>12576396 >we're releasing the game without voices and not paying anybody for localization if you don't give me monies. Also, we're not releasing any other games. Dovac, here's some unfriendly advice. Don't even fucking try this bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 18:26:31 2014 No.12576436 >>12576408 What? You don't pay anyone for localization if they don't localize anything. That's the fucking point. also lol for thinking im dovac

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 18:29:39 2014 No.12576449 >>12576436 >If the Kickstarter doesn't reach its goals, Koestl doesn't get paid >We need $40,000 voices for the entire series Fucking pick one, dumbass.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 18:31:50 2014 No.12576459 >>12576449 $80,000 for Meikyuu, $120,000 for Rakuen. Also not 100% sure but if they don't even get $40k, it sounds like Kajitsu won't get released at all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 18:35:39 2014 No.12576471 >>12576459 It's sort of a non issue unless Kickstarter gets mad at them, since if WEE can get nearly $100k, this will have no problems getting $40k.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 18:40:05 2014 No.12576484 If Sekai Project is building their own platform which allows 18+ releases, suddenly them getting Nekopara isn't a bad thing either.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 18:44:11 2014 No.12576495 >>12576484 >isn't a bad thing either Only if you enjoy soap opera. Having 18+ shop is only one prerequisite. There are plenty of other, including capable translator, capable editor, enough QA, capable project manager and so on.

Anonymous Fri Oct 10 18:49:35 2014 No.12576500

>>12576484
With how bad they were at disclosing info about grisaia status and a fucking horrible PR manager I still think it isn't wise to trust SP for this kind of releases. Anyway this is just my opinion. I hope SP starts to get better in a lot of ways so I can place some trust on them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 18:53:42 2014 No.12576513 Koestl is a cool dude and Grisaia is a cool series, so if more Grisaia can be translated with Koestl getting paid for it, I'm all for it. I can ignore some of the stupid bullshit surrounding sekai project for this.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 20:18:18 2014 No.12576758 I wish Fortune Arterial and Dracu-riot were active projects. Really want to play those but my moon is too low.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 20:25:23 2014 No.12576789 >>12576758 Both are shitty moege. You can learn enough japanese in 3-4 months to read them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 22:15:28 2014 No.12577201 I think it's hilarious (in a god damn this guy's stupidity gives me a headache way) that suddenly becaues of the anime being well received, dovac's in a hurry to lay claim to the 18+ version. Jackass wouldn't have considered it otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 10 22:28:18 2014 No.12577237 >>12577201 I don't think it was the anime which changed his mind, but rather what was described in this post above >>12567828 Especially since he changed his answers on Grisaia censorship at the end of September.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 11 04:05:41 2014 No.12578134 >>12577237 That post describes the anime being a contributing factor in his insane actions, though. He was pretty much waffling all the way up to this announcement.

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