/jp/ - Otaku Culture

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What are the current usage statistics for Winny, Share and Perfect dark.

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Old statistics

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Older statistics

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cute grill

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>using closed source file sharing protocols
>any year

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>>11672808
So what'd be the sane alternative if you were smuggling blu-ray rips into or out of some authoritarian hellhole? Running bittorrent through one of those "tor" networks or something super-secret like that?

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>>11672808
>>11672818
Please no this argument here. We are know the japs are backwards.

>what'd be the sane alternative if you were smuggling blu-ray rips into or out of some authoritarian hellhole?
Freenet.

Share is based of freenet and pd is based on freenet + tor.

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>>11672808
>>11672818
Please no this argument here. We all know the japs are backwards.

>what'd be the sane alternative if you were smuggling blu-ray rips into or out of some authoritarian hellhole?
Freenet.

Share is based of freenet and pd is based on freenet + tor.

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>>11672837
Dude, your first post made it just fine, why are you posting again

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>>11672845
>We are know the japs are backwards.
->
We all know the japs are backwards.

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I don't have statistics, but my guess is that Winny is pretty much dead, while PD catching up to Share.

>>11672808
Law against piracy in Japan is extremely strict, they can only rely on security through obscurity if they don't want to go to jail.

>>11672837
>Share is based of freenet and pd is based on freenet + tor.
Wait this is news for me. I thought it was just encrypted traffic.

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>>11672855
>Share is based of freenet and pd is based on freenet + tor.
>Wait this is news for me. I thought it was just encrypted traffic.

It's true.


>they can only rely on security through obscurity
Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY

Case in point, Freenet and Tor are secure. Winny and share aren't. I don't remember the current security state of Perfect Dark.

Also, plenty of japs use torrent. The most popular way for japs to download jdramas is according to my understanding to download them from western torrent sites.

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>>11672855
> Winny is pretty much dead

It propably should be, if there was any kind of sanity in the way japanese people use software. However old statistics >>11672787 proof otherwise.

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The old statistics are from http://www.netagent.co.jp/

Can someone who understand japanese check if new statistics are available?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm using Perfect Dark but it's such a bother. Apparently I even need to upload a LOT before I can even search properly because people with a bigger folder get more nodes or something.

[Suika-Tan !Npq.Isx2OE No.]

Still can't figure out how to make PD work. I had to reinstall it several times just to make the IP encryption work properly. I'm not saying it's a bad program, it's just not worth the effort.

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>>11673148
>40GB
>a lot
Move to a first world country before you even try to touch glorious nippon banzai p2p kthx

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I don't use Share anymore, so that that's -1 user.

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>>11673168
Is 40gb the mark at which you're getting more nodes? Someone told me it's higher than that.
It's not really a lot but it might take me a while to collect.

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I started using PD again and it is definitely better than the other two. And by that I mean the least retarded.
So far there seems to be very little stuff on it though, but I can't be arsed to go back using Share, because that's horribly slow.

Also, I don't understand something about nodes. How do they work? How does PD connect to them? Does it start connecting at the start of the program from the first entry until it reaches the end of its list? I turn off my PC every night, so it can only connect to around 15.000 nodes a day. The next day does it restart from the first entry or continue where it left off? Do my search queries always go through the same pathway of nodes? Do I have to run my PC constantly?
I'm not getting newer hits for my keywords, it's the same 32 results for days and I'm pretty sure there are more stuff out there.

And what does a failed connection mean? Roughly 1/3rd of my attempts fail. Is it because of the insane ping due to trying to connect to japanese IPs from Europe? Or is every device running PD considered a node and they're just turned off at the time of parsing? Or are they more like torrent trackers that can die permanently and take up space in my nodelist?

Damn, it pisses me off not knowing what the fuck is going on.

[Anonymous No.]

I have pretty slow connection so I just left PD on for long periods of time and now I can use it pretty nicely. Dunno why it sometimes stops the download and goes to zzz mode but I've eventually gotten every file I've started downloading.

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Well there's still tons of CP to be found on Share, so there's that.

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>>11672855
>they can only rely on security through obscurity if they don't want to go to jail.
that's like leaving the key to your house under your carpet, man.

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>>11673148
Anything can pass through your share folder too.

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www2.accsjp.or.jp/activities/pdf/130222b.pdf

Latest I could find.

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>>11673304
Thanks bro, much appreciated.

It's good to see winny being the least popular these days. Judging from the numbers it also appears that more and more japs are using torrents and ddl-sites these days, just like the west.

Does the site explain what happened in september of 2009?

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>>11673304
http://www2.accsjp.or.jp/activities/201224/news39.php
Thanks bro, much appreciated.

It's good to see winny being the least popular these days. Judging from the numbers it also appears that more and more japs are using torrents and ddl-sites these days, just like the west.

Does the site explain what happened in september of 2012?

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>>11673340
BTW, the first diagram on that site contradicts with older >>11672787
statistics.
I think the ways of measurement were different or something.

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>>11673340
>Does the site explain what happened in september of 2012?

3KW5pcWab58o got arrested along with some people on PD.

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>>11673216
>>11673216
>>11673216
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>>11673216
Bump for info.

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>>11673851
Test it. Leave it going for a few days and tell us what happens. I'm also interested and judging how noone responds to your questions others are aswell.

Or are you unable to leave it running for the nigt, ie. is it your parent's/family's computer?

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If I had to give an educated guess, I would say that the node seeking/searching is randomized and that your failure rate is due to other nodes being offline.

I haven't been running share for a while, so I don't remember the normal behavior.

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>>11674880
*I haven't been running PERFECT DARK for a while

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>>11673851
I don't know much about PD, but those nodes thing remind me of Tor. Nodes in tor are used for the encryption. You connect to a lot of nodes and each node adds a layer of encryption (that's the reason it's called the onion web). Each time you connect to tor, you use a different network of nodes. 15000 nodes seem to much to me though. Maybe PD uses various networks of nodes simultaneously to connect to other users? That would kinda make sense, since any user connected to you would do it through a different set of nodes. If I'm right, every time you connect, it restarts, but if you left your computer on all night, it wouldn't make much of a difference anyway, since some of those nodes will disappear (they are users too, and they would shut down their computers eventually, and if some end user disconnects, the whole set of nodes you were using to reach him would be useless to you and you would probably disconnect from them too), and some others would appear, making the network be constantly changing. I would say that, after a certain amount of time, the number of nodes would increase very slowly.

But I'm no expert on either PD or tor, so take everything with a grain of salt.

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>>11674880
>Or are you unable to leave it running for the nigt
I just can't sleep with PC noise beside me. Or any noise at all. I need near-perfect silence or I will get stressed out.
Also, there is a minor issue with electiricity bill.

But I'll try running it tonight or some more days and post some test data.

>>11674968
Interesting and it would make sense, given PD is supposed to use some kind of DHT.
The reason I thought 1 node = 1 IP is because the nodes in those nodelists on the internet are in the same format as the encrypted IP address/port you can make in the PD client. Well, this is not surprising, since both are addresses, but this would imply there are certain "privileged", pre-defined devices that act as nodes or entry points. But the whole point of PD is everything being distributed. According to my understanding this means everybody owns a piece of random hash table and data through unity, thus everybody is a quasi-node. Does this mean I could get my encrypted IP posted in these list? I confuse.

Also, as you had pointed it out 15.000 nodes might seem too many and according to the statistics posted in the thread there are tens of thousands of them. Some more information about the methodology of these surveys would be helpful, but this one:
>http://www2.accsjp.or.jp/activities/201224/news39.php
>1「ノード」とは、ネットワークに接続しているPC等の端末を指す。
seems to mean that 1 node = 1 device.

And there is this whole thing about the system reacting to the constantly changing IPs in the case of most users, which could make it a nightmare to track down files.

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>>11673345
What if there was another stark decrease in the number of nodes between 2011/2 and 2012/9?

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>>11675109
No, the FIRST diagram. It states that winny was less popular in 2010/12 where as the other one says it was more popular.

[Anonymous No.]

Can anyone check if Beatmania IIDX 21 SPADA OST is up? Don't want to set up a p2p program for nothing. It features DJ Noriken, DJ Shimamura, DJ Myosuke, Noizenecio and others if you're into that stuff.

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>>11675116
My bad.

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>>11675124
Ordinarily I would just shoo you away, but I'm going to take this opportunity to discuss hash-sites.

http://www.nyhash.info/ ;Winny
http://www.sharedb.info/ ;Share
http://hashdb.com/ ;Winny, Share, (claims also Perfect Dark)
http://keydb.telegrip.info/ ;share

Try searching on those.

Does anyone know any more of these sites? Are there any proper hash-sites for Perfect Dark? Isn't the search function on Perfect Dark quite thorough to begin with?

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>>11675146
I never used anything other than the accidental hashdb.
The search in PD is pretty good. It's a normal search unlike Share's multi-step railroad. Also, the tree search keeps stuff organized.

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>>11675103
My understanding is that each node represents a machine or IP. I don't know if they change and how often if so. When you start using the program you need some initial nodes to connect to. Once you connect, the client will automatically acquire more nodes, so you will no longer be reliant on the initial nodes.

Actually, if you don't use PD for some time, the saved nodes will get old and PD becomes unable to connect. You would then have to get a new list of initial nodes to start off.

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How do I make it work?
My internet is too slow, do I need a fast internet to use it?
Download 40gb takes forever.

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>>11673216 I'm not getting newer hits for my keywords, it's the same 32 results for days and I'm pretty sure there are more stuff out there.

I'm having the same exact problem and I wish someone could clarify that. I find it hard to believe I'm not getting any hits for the search terms I use.

Also my Unity is only 3GB so far and it's trickling down awfully slow at some 100kB/s. It will take ages to hit 40GB like that. With torrents, I max my 3.5MB/s connection easily. All necessary ports seems to be open, so I'm at a loss what the problem is.

Will I get more search results once I finally hit 40GB? As that Anon said, not knowing the mechanism behind it is fucking annoying.

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>>11677298
Remove all network limits (unlimited usage). I know it doesn't make any sense. Just do it!
Wait few hours and see what happens.

Are you using the newest version of PD? Recheck your ports again, and make sure the ip and mac addresses match.

>it's the same 32 results for days
What are you searching for? It could very well be that there just aren't more files on the network. Japs are abandoning these softwares >>11673340

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Don't you only need 2 GB of unity for it to be happy? That's what mine always says frequently after I prune it due to not having a lot of space.

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>>11675146
PD's search has everything. keydb s the best option for Share because it crawls the network instead of 2ch threads like the other sites.

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Is it possible to know into which node a particular user or a file "belongs" to (in Winny/Share).

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>>11677822
I mean, to know via which cluster word I found the file.

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Wait what. I never realized they were sharing torrents too.

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>>11673155
http://pastebin.com/Yf239N1C

so hard

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I rarely use Winny anymore other than for those really hard to find music that are dead on share or isn't on pd because it is old. Kind of like this:

Super Old - Winny
Old - Share
Fresh/New - PD

Not to say that Winny or Share doesn't have new stuff upped, but I only use it for the odd case where I need some lossless music to satisfy my autism and it was uploaded a long time ago.

Nowadays I'm using PD only to get my stuff like shitty manga I can't get enough of, eroge, doujinshi, music, etc.

There's a new p2p sharing awhile back I found out about. https://sites.google.com/site/lairamoeba/ja/new/introduction
Uses Tor as a way to stay anonymous. I haven't really bothered in trying it out. I'm sure there's exclusive stuff only found on it. Like [compllege] Inside Blue Inside lossless version was uploaded first on lair+amoeba, then reuploaded to PD. That's how I found out about lair+amoeba anyway.

You need to know Japanese or common sense (2014 beta edition) to set it up though. I don't think there's english instructions but I'm sure if you figured out winny, share, pd or registered on pixiv, nico, etc before there were translations and without knowing Japanese you can probably figure lair+amoeba out.

Goes without saying that it should be slow transfers because Tor.

Time to read my latest chapter.

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>>11678151
Why use Tor? I mean, I don't use it for PD.

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>>11678156
It's required for it.
https://sites.google.com/site/lairamoeba/ja/anonymity

At least read the link. If you can't, then well, sorry.

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>>11678173
Okay.

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>>11678173
But I thought that PD used data fragments as a way of distribution too.

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>>11676313
Don't ignore me please, I'm bad with computers

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子鯖最高

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>>11680879
WEhy are you searching for fish?

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>>11672855
Because no one has ever gone to jail for using this shitware, right?

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>>11681002
no, just morons bragging about using it on "anonymous" websites

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>>11681033
are you telling me that all people arrested for sharing CP on those networks were merrily announcing their uploads on 2ch?

share and PD aren't safe anymore, get it through your thick skull

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>>11677349
>What are you searching for? It could very well be that there just aren't more files on the network. Japs are abandoning these softwares
It seems like I have to agree with you according to the result of my testing.

I was searching for　こどものこえ and ニャル, because I'm looking for those Nyaruko strip mahjong games, not just the CG rips sadpanda and the internet has. The uploader hinted that he played the games, so he either bought them legally or has a premium account to those sites where they're supposedly downloadable
I thought it was reasonable to assume that they're available too on either PD or Share, since that's where all that doujin stuff comes from. Or at least that was the case years ago, when I could find nearly everything there and share it with the rest of the internet.
Yet, I couldn't even find the CG sets. Other stuff is missing too, like CG sets, games and doujinshi, which seems to indicate a smaller database to me.

(continued)

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>>11681067
I think I reached the maximum possible search results after 30-60 minutes on new queries. It seemed to be much faster taking only minutes when searching for closely related terms, but I still got a few extra hits after some time in either case which probably didn't come from or through my already built-up database. I think PD's running time shouldn't matter much, since after connecting to a few people it should be able to retrieve the majority of the desired keyword tables relatively quickly or something.
I got a hourly avarage succesful connections from 600 to 1500 and unsuccesful ones from 270 to 400 with an estimated 11.000 nodes. I think activity might vary depeding on Japan time (more at night) and day of the week (more at weekends). I got 25.000 and 20.000 estimated nodes on weekends, though I need to recheck this. Also, I don't think the amount of connections correlates to the estimated amount of nodes that much. I don't know how many of them are reconnections for whatever reason.
I set my internet speed in the settings at the fastest possible level. I reached over 40GB unity today, by uploading random eromanga issues and subbed anime. Having over 40GB unity doesn't seem to have a noticeable effect so far.

>>11681053
No, those who were caught were tripfags, using the same nick on various forums and in PD. It's like using your facebook account while doing blatantly illegal stuff for the e-peen.

[Anonymous No.]

bump

[Anonymous No.]

I use うたたね and it has some new stuff other networks don't have. You gotta know the private servers and have something to trade, though.