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11238250 No.11238250 [Reply] [Original]

What would touhou be like today if Japan had won the war?

Would have ZUN have created Gensokyo to have more of a proud, nationalist atmosphere?

>> No.11238268
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>> No.11238289

Meiling would be German.

>> No.11238334

>>11238250
touhou would be a bunch of burly men

there would be no ranged attacks just manly melee

the endings they would have manly tea ceremonies instead of tea parties

>> No.11238347
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>>11238334
Something in the same vein as this, no?

>> No.11238360

Reimu would be a member of the Great Japan Youth Party sent by the Empire to take control of Gensokyo with the help of Her Marisa from the Hitler's Youth.

>> No.11238368

The game would be about Reimu demolishing other countries and the bosses would be the leaders.

No tea parties and everyone got killed.

>> No.11238393
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11238393

things would be a lot different...

>> No.11238411

ZUN will not become alcohol addict, touhou will never be created.
/thread.

>> No.11238416

>>11238411
Yeah, because everyone knows alcohol addiction didn't exist before WW2.

>> No.11238427

>>11238416
There would be no reasons for him to become alcohol addict though.

>> No.11238433

Doesn't Touhou have a nationalist vibe in its own way?

>> No.11238442

>>11238427
How do YOU know what his reasons are? How do you know if he's really addicted? How do you know how his life could've been if the Axis won? Hell, he probably wouldn't even exist if something like that happened because of the butterfly effect.

>> No.11238459

>>11238393
Those last three panels are literally the best explanation I've ever seen for post-war Japan.

>> No.11238464

>>11238393
>hitted

>> No.11238499
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11238499

Is this a good book?

I like Dick's other novels, but I'm worried this won't be science-fictiony enough to keep me entertained.

>> No.11238517

>>11238393
These comics work on a level that I really appreciate but don't fully understand.

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>>11238393

Fixed for accuracy.

>> No.11238519

>>11238517
What don't you understand?

>> No.11238525

>>11238519
I don't mean that they have references or ideas I don't understand, but it's like there are levels of irony that my brain can't comprehend.

>> No.11238527

>>11238525
I think you're overanalyzing it. It's silly on purpose, nothing really complicated.

>> No.11238530
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>>11238521
>Hey you goys! Stop right there in the name of the Queen!

I suppose it makes sense, since the Royal Family is descended from one of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel.

>> No.11238537

>>11238527
Well, it's difficult to explain. It's like Monty Python. Sometimes they had sketches that were very silly but very clever at the same time, and it's clear there was intelligent thought behind them no matter how dumb they appeared.

I'm not saying this is a super intellectual piece of satire written by a genius, but as a simple, ironic comic it makes me happy.

>> No.11238543

>>11238530
You don't really have to be intelligent to make references to philosophers in your show.

>> No.11238546

>>11238543
Meant to quote >>11238537

>> No.11238548

>>11238537
I always think of them as 4chan's answer to Hetalia.

A clearly superior answer, mind. Probably one of the best things to come out of 4chan in the last few years, not that this is saying much.

>> No.11238553

>>11238548
The catch is that they didn't really come out of 4chan.

>> No.11238557

germany would have annexed japan

>> No.11238564

>>11238543
But I think it's something you'd have to be knowledgeable about in advance, in order to come up with the sketch. It's not like they could just go to Wikipedia for a list of terms to name drop (this is how The Big Bang Theory is written).

>> No.11238571

>>11238548
It originated from a super assburger /int/ board of a German chan.

>> No.11238575

>>11238557
I really think this is the most likely thing that would happen. Germany would take over Japan after they got rid of everything in between. Heck, the Germans lied to the Soviets that they wouldn't attack then.

>> No.11238589

>>11238499
lol u like dick novels? XD

>> No.11238598

>>11238575

>the Germans lied to the Soviets that they wouldn't attack then.

Both parties knew that Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was a joke though. The Germans wanted to bring down the communists because they were a threat to the entire world, as we later saw in the cold war when the soviets turned on us almost immediately after WW2.

Germany never wanted to fight a war on two fronts and called for peace with the west many times but Churchill was a blood thirsty lunatic and ignored him every time. Hitler's only real goal in WW2 was to crush communism. The Germans were national socialists, so annexing massive amounts of land that's filled with people who can't identify with Germany at all would have been insane.

>> No.11238602

>>11238589
Thank you.

>> No.11238615

Didn't Hitler shoot up a beerhaus while some nerds were just trying to drink booze and talk about life and stuff?

Why would they vote for him after that? Even if they were evil and agreed with him, he couldn't even take over one beerhaus. He forgot to take over the telegram room so some dork just emailed the police. And this was a man everyone thought was capable of running Germany and its military?

>> No.11238631

>>11238615
Much like his counterpart Mussolini he was mainly skilled in rhetorics. Not really a military leader.

>> No.11238645

>>11238598
>turned on us

USA pls go

>> No.11238696
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>>11238645

If your country is in blue then you are part of the American Empire (NATO)

WW2 brought about the end of all of the major western European powers and with the formation of NATO they were then absorbed into America's unofficial empire. This is why all western European countries will blindly do whatever America tells them to do.

>> No.11238707

>>11238696
I don't live in a NATO country, please stop projecting.

>> No.11238717

>>11238707
He's not projecting.

Can't you just say "generalizing" or "stereotyping"?

>> No.11238738

>>11238717
Please stop projecting your projecting prejudice.

>> No.11238793

>>11238738
Nice strawman, autist.

>> No.11238845

>>11238347
I introduced this image to /jp/ or someone gave it to me on a shonen/toku thread.

>> No.11238861

How to win an argument like a TRUredditard:

"Your ad hominem in projecting into your bias! The fallacy is the burden of proof is on your projection. Did you know homophobic people tend to be gay? Did you know racist people tend to be black? Did you know antisemitic people tend to be Jewish? Cool projection, biased projector!"

>> No.11238865

>>11238861
Nice strawman

>> No.11238873

>>11238865
Thank you.

>> No.11238878

>>11238861
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic

>> No.11238898

>>11238878
Are you saying Reddit is objectively good?

The point of my post was to mock your stupid way of ``winning'' arguments by using big words, not refuting your position. That was my first post on this thread and I have no idea what you were discussing about.

What I want to say is: you don't have to strawmanprojectionfallacyhominemburdenofpenis to engage into an argument.

>> No.11238917

>>11238898
Sounds like someone's trying to use big words he doesn't understand.

>> No.11238914

>>11238898
Abusing that kind of "argument vocabulary" should be a fallacy itself.

Something like "appeal to words: You used a big word but didn't even show why the other party's argument lacks merit."

>> No.11238918

>>11238898
The point of my post is that I was using a Reddit-esque website to counter your Reddit-esque argument.

Of course I don't genuinely agree with that page as a response to your post, and I actually thought you were pretty funny.

I agree though. Intelligent adults don't (usually) argue like that. Even academics just say what the person did wrong, they don't drop Latin terms. That's how teenagers at debate club argue.

>> No.11238934

>>11238914
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy

Slightly related.

The jargon itself is fine, but using it like this isn't. Pretty much every guide to rhetoric and fallacies I've read has a disclaimer that you shouldn't be a dick and say, "UH EXCUSE ME THAT'S AN AD HOMINEM TU QUOQUE." Even if you're making a sound counterargument, it's just an annoying way to communicate.

>> No.11238951

>>11238917
He is, I'm not.

Or at least I'm using them ``ironically''.

>> No.11238971

>>11238918
Oh, I didn't know you considered that site Reddit-esque.

Carry on, good sir. May Reimu and the eight million Shinto gods guide you on the rest of your daily activities.

>> No.11238979

Logic is the scourge of the earth. It's just a bunch of stupid rules for autistic people so they can jerk off all over each other.

>> No.11238984

>>11238979
Yeah man, fuck the system.

>> No.11238988

>>11238979
Emotional arguments are for the weak-willed. Ethos and pathos should be removed from any good rhetorician's arsenal.

*dons fedora and walks to Atheist Church*

>> No.11239000

>>11238979
Yes let's stick to aesthetics aka the ultimate group-think.

>> No.11239016

I WANT IT JUST AS IT DOES ON THE FUGGIN TIN

>> No.11239022

>>11238988

>fedora

This is the worst "meme" this site has had in a while.

>> No.11239026

>>11239022
It's a reddit meme, it comes from /r/circlejerk.

>> No.11239027

>>11239022
A perfectly good hat, ruined.

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>>11239022

I am euphoric

>> No.11239040

>>11239034

I hate you.

>> No.11239063

>>11238393
What are these things called again? I have been meaning to look them up for quite some time and it seems like there are a lot of them.

Is it country-circle comics?

Racial ball comics?

Country ball comics?

>> No.11239235

>>11239063
I think they are called Polandball comics

>> No.11239252

>>11239022
Of course it is, much like the rest of the super epic reddit memes.

>> No.11239258

>>11239022
Really? I think it's pretty funny. Maybe not so much as a catchphrase and of itself, but I've known fedora-wearing types so the first few times I saw it the joke was pretty hilarious.

>> No.11239262

>>11239027
It is a good hat, but it was ruined by the people wearing it, not by the internet catchphrase.

Does anyone have that "what you think you look like/what you actually look like" image? Pretty sure it pre-dates fedora as a meme, and the the "what you think you look like" image was Humphrey Bogart.

>> No.11239271

It's not a Reddit meme. People have been laughing at fedora wearing nerds for years, those feminist tumblr blogs making fun of OKCupid profiles have just made it much more popular.

>> No.11239284

Why don't they laugh at males carrying umbrellas?

It's rare I see it, but it's hilarious every time.

>> No.11239290

>>11239271

Most things are used irregularly before they descend into "meme" status.

>> No.11239295

>>11239290
>descend
>"meme"

Go back to Something Awful. This is 4chan.

>> No.11239311

>>11239284

You are deriving enjoyment from someone using a piece of waterproof material on a convenient frame to shield themself from falling water.

>> No.11239351

>>11238393
I fucking hate these comics.
"LOL GEOGRAPHY JOKES" - some unfunny girl on tumblr

>> No.11239413

>>11239311
Afraid your hair will get wet, poofter?

>> No.11239460

>>11239413

Yes. My hair is beautiful and I don't want the rain ruining it.

>> No.11239462

>>11239351
I think some of them are pretty funny

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>>11239351

This one is good.

>> No.11242207

>>11238250
Won what war? How?

Japans objective was to create a unified Asia Pacific empire by purging Asian countries of western influences and bringing enlightenment and prosperity to their fellow Asians so that they could stand on equal footing with the western countries. Their divine right and superiority over all other nations was just nationalistic opiate for the commoners.

Had Japan "won" it is extremely doubtful they would have been able to sustain control over China, Korea, and other neighboring countries. They would not have invaded the US, and probably not get involved in the European war.

However it would have taken a toll on the US for needlessly wasting their resources on Japan, and it would have divided Russia's attentions.

The European war would have lasted a little longer, perhaps a few months to a year. Famine would have decimated much of western Europe especially around Belgium, The Netherlands and Germany, and overall greatly reducing the population.

Wernher Von Braun would have had to surrender to the Soviets and may have been killed and tortured or just went into hiding. The same would have been true for many of the high ups in the Nazi regime, they would have had a better chance of escaping to other countries.

The Dutch royal family would have spent longer in Canada as the country would take longer to recover. The Dutch government and intelligence services would have had to remain in the UK for longer and be more dependent on the UK for much longer. This would result in The Netherlands and Belgium acting more like small forward satellite states against a technologically superior Soviet Union.

Because Japan won it would mean that the US intelligence services weren't what they were and that they might not have even bothered to crack Purple. Friedmann would still have been around but his work would not have been appreciated for whatever reason.

>> No.11242210

>>11242207
The UK would have had the most advanced signals intelligence and cryptographic experts in the world right around the end of WWII and for years to come. Turing may or may not have lived longer, Von Neumann and others would have had more funding made available to them.

With the power of retrospect and lack of NASA the US would have to invest more into computer and cryptographic research and there would be more world between the UK and the US against the Soviet Union which would be the worlds largest super power. There would be no space race. The Soviet Union would own that 100% of the way.

On the other hand computer related research might have become a stronger suite for the allied forces which would remain in a close partnership for a much longer cold war.

Fast forward to 2013 things would start to look a lot more familiar again but computers and network communication would be a lot more advanced, the US would be the world leader in particle physics research, The Soviet Union would probably still be struggling to remain the world super power like the US is now, and The Japanese Empire would have crumbled similar to the real Soviet Union.

Japan would not have been the "Country of Peace" that tried to transform into and would be more of how we see China now. There would probably be no Touhou and a lot of the Japanese media that got popular would not be so popular, there would be less of that kind of cultural exchange between east and west.

Of course that has several implications. The main gaming company would most likely have remained Atari and there would probably be more Apples and IBM machines. Eventually other manufacturing options and markets open up in the east which leads to more familiar stuff, and of course there will still be open source. There would probably be no Nintendo or XBox and probably no DirectX but another company would probably have something similar.

>> No.11242213

>>11242210

Parallel processing, physics simulations, and AI would all be much more advanced than computer graphics. So the gaming world would look very different.

Probably no Touhou, and no Comiket either. But there would still be plenty of interesting stuff.

>> No.11242261

>>11242210
>>11242207
I wonder how ugly you are to actually care enough about this topic to shit post about it in an off-topic thread on /jp/ of all places.

>> No.11242288

>>11242261
You're an idiot. Over two thirds of the board is off-topic shit posting and spam. Alternative history is a much more interesting topic than hurr where da porn games at?

>> No.11243002

>>11242288
agree

>> No.11243077

>>11242210
Wow I wonder where we would be in terms on computing capabilities if all the effort that had gone into the space race was redirected towards CSE research.

>> No.11249272

>>11243077
Well there are different types of computers. The computers we know are all based around old models of stuff quickly thrown together with limited resources.

With more research there may have been a chance to properly research other ways of building computers. But the kind of market for computers back then was really different and when the first commercially viable gaming computers were released they were actually dumbed down second or third versions of what's possible because the public couldn't handle the more advanced stuff.

The development and research of high performance graphics and multi-core GPU technology is largely funded by the gaming market. It's hard to say how things would have turned out because the untapped markets that played a crucial role wouldn't be so apparent but there would be other advances.

Perhaps a good parallel is to look at how hobbyist and commercial rocketry and space flight has progressed over the years under the looming shadow of NASA.

But yeah whatever it's just really safe to say Japan wouldn't be a gaming and media powerhouse if they had "won" because their victory was never sustainable and cost a lot, and it wouldn't have let them have the chance to rebuild and reinvent themselves.

>> No.11249308

>>11239022
>>11239034
I am using the Fedora operating system and it feels pretty euphoric honestly.

>> No.11249332

>>11243077
It is.

Don't you see Steven Seagal movies?

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