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How do you feel about politics, /jp/?

>> No.11115157

They're gay.
I never leave my room regardless of who the president is.
Makes no difference.

>> No.11115160

shittiest board on 4chan and that's saying a lot

>> No.11115176

>>11115157
It does make a difference if you're stealing money from the government.

>> No.11115183

>>11115176
I'm living off an inheritance.
I'm good.

>> No.11115185

>>11115176
Welfare is one of government's obligations by definition. It's not stealing but making use of a right.

>> No.11115196

>>11115185
>obligations
>being this leftist

Hi there Commie-Kun!!!1eleven. El soy yo comrade?

>> No.11115199

>>11115196
>Not being a comunist

>> No.11115203
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all democrats goin 2 hell
god bless america

>> No.11115210

This is badly off-board-topic, but whatever.

Better now that the fascists have to pretend they're republicans or just "pro-business"

Screw you Halliburton, you crooks! lol

(and quit resetting my captcha after like 2 seconds, I'm not buying a pass just to contribute stuff for you to have anything on these boards, it doesn't matter how annoying you make it)

>> No.11115211

>>11115196
Educate yourself before calling others buzzwords you hear on American TV.

>> No.11115212

Everything wrong with the world.

>> No.11115218

I'll support the one that supports my paraphilia.
Nobody ever does ;_;

>> No.11115222
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>>11115199
of course not

>> No.11115226

Ron Paul would have made anime real.
I wish Ron Paul won.

>> No.11115230
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>> No.11115233

>>11115226
This is what terrorists actually believe

>> No.11115234

>>11115226
newt gingrich would have made a moonbase
I wish I was with moon 2hus

>> No.11115240

>>11115230
We fasctastic now

>> No.11115244
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>>11115234
>Wanting to be with the worst 2hus

>> No.11115246

>>11115196
fuck off fascist
everyone who doesn't wish for the well-being and happiness of other humans shouldn't be considered an human

>> No.11115260

I live in a formerly communist canadian province (Saskatchewan), which is the birthplace of the CCF (now the NDP) and the cradle of canadian healthcare.

I'm not old enough to experience their regime's results firsthand, but my father was a business owner during it and was forced to sell out his business to break even on his investment due to bizarre numbers of government subsidies for competitors who used foreign labor.

Just think about how badly those policies must have been implemented if a COMMUNIST party was putting money into bigger businesses indirectly and killing off smaller competitors.

And thats only a first hand account- the population of the province didn't substantially rise for nearly a hundred years and our lack of success and expansion relative to our neighbors stands to reason as a more macro example. The CCF/NDP set up over 3 dozen crown corporations over the course of six decades, and only two of them (the regionally monopolizing telecommunications company and regionally monopolizing power distributor) DIDN'T lose money overall, causing a complete stagnation in economic growth.


Voter turnout and polling reveals that only poor people and native americans who are too young to experience the effects of the communist regime firsthand are voting for the NDP.
Even among those in low tax brackets, older people are voting more conservatively.

I'm not saying that socialism is inherently bad- only that my own experiences could lead me to this conclusion.

>> No.11115261

>>11115185
>>11115246


Government doesn't give a shit about you or anybody else. Just like most large institutions. You're an idiot if you think otherwise.

>> No.11115266

Fasco-Marxist here.

The current political situation has made me disillusioned with democracy.

>> No.11115270

Politics is for idiots.

>> No.11115271

>>11115246
If you are happy being a slave without freedom, then yeah, that's the way to go.

>> No.11115276

>>11115271

Like 99% of people.

>> No.11115319

>>11115271
What does that have to do with what I said? Are you saying I'm a Leninist just because I think the state should care for people? What the fuck?

>>11115261
Yes, you said it yourself, and that's exactly why you have to force the government to watch over society's well-being, and one of those is welfare.

>> No.11115337

I try not to think about it. The real world scares me.

>> No.11115338

>>11115319
>Are you saying I'm a Leninist

yes.

you may go now. your lefty propaganda isn't effective here

>> No.11115348

>>11115319
>Yes, you said it yourself, and that's exactly why you have to force the government to watch over society's well-being, and one of those is welfare.

Why would any sane person want a large institution that is easily corrupted into special interest to watch over them? Take your propaganda elsewhere please.

>> No.11115362

>>11115348
Do you have a better solution to guarantee the well-being of society?

>> No.11115367

>>11115338
As expected from fascists. No arguments or education at all.

>> No.11115374

>>11115362

I don't care about the well being of society and I'm also not stupid enough to believe in some messianic institution that will protect it. Take your propaganda else where please. Nobody in /jp/ cares.

>> No.11115380

>>11115362
Given that virtually all of our societal advancement throughout history has been through means other than communism, and communism when attempted has summarily failed and wreaked mass misery among its victims, I'd say almost anything else would work.

>> No.11115382

politic? wuts that. i just want to be happy and others to be happy...

>> No.11115404

>>11115374
>I don't care about the well being of society
Just because you don't care it doesn't mean nobody should care.

>I'm also not stupid enough to believe in some messianic institution that will protect it.
I agree completely, and self-government is probably the best way for this, but there are some basic rights that people should fight for even if there's a state.

>Take your propaganda else where please.
I'm stating my opinion, why are you being so fucking paranoid about propaganda you fucking ape?

>Nobody in /jp/ cares.
If you care enough I'd be thankful if you could tell me why I'm wrong. If not then just don't waste your time posting.

>>11115380
I'm not a Marxist, I don't believe in authoritarian communism.

>> No.11115418

>>11115404
>I'm not a Marxist, I don't believe in authoritarian communism.

That's all you're going to get by centralizing government control over people's lives in such a way. Having good intentions in the beginning isn't going to change anything. How many people do communist governments have to kill before that light bulb clicks on in your head?

>> No.11115430

>>11115404
>doesn't mean nobody should care.
Most of /jp/ doesn't care. Why would people who have turned their backs on society care about political shit? There's nothing in it for us. Again, take your Utopian garbage somewhere else.

> why are you being so fucking paranoid about propaganda you fucking ape?

And, I'm stating my opinion. You're opinion is shit and you should fuck off.

>If you care enough I'd be thankful if you could tell me why I'm wrong. If not then just don't waste your time posting.

Because it's retarded. You honestly believe people in power care about you and your rights?

>> No.11115452

>>11115246
I dont care when it comes at my expense. You're making a mistake that you living off NEETbux is only done in a single individual basis and not expanding that to how it works, millions of people taking money from the government. It is an injustice to have money taken from the worker and given to the non-worker. It goes both ways, if it goes to the very poor or the very rich.

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>>11115260

>> No.11115466

>>11115418
I'm just talking about welfare, not complete government control. Also, communism (lower-case c) is economic control, not social control. But the communist governments (actually Communist governments) you mention are Marxist. Marx was authoritarian as fuck and that shit doesn't work, yeah. I believe in self-government myself but that shit probably won't happen, at least not in hundreds of years.

>> No.11115488

>>11115466
>Also, communism (lower-case c) is economic control, not social control.

You can't have one without the other. Economic policies can have inadvertent social ramifications, and can be used purposefully for social engineering.

>> No.11115492

>>11115260
Don't banadians spell "labor" with the extra 'u' ("labour")?

>> No.11115504

We are nationalists because they support or NEET lifestyles.

>> No.11115507

Get the fuck out of /jp/, all of you.
>>>/pol/

>> No.11115511

>>11115492
Don't you have to be someplace else you fat fucking cunt?

>> No.11115513

>>11115488
Do you believe in anarcho-capitalism then? No social control, no economic control.

>> No.11115515

as long as I don't have to deal with niggers I'm fine.

>> No.11115525

We are national socialists OP get the fuck out /jp/ immigrant!

>> No.11115530
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>Believing in socialism

https://mises.org/books/economics_in_one_lesson_hazlitt.pdf
https://mises.org/books/hayekcollection.pdf

Cant fin anything by keynes on this site, but if you can find keynes general theory. Keynes/Hayek is the basic and forefront of what you will modernly see. Getting the basics is better at first, the first link is a very short read.

Or if you're really far back in understanding, the real basics.

https://mises.org/books/salamanca_grice-hutchinson.pdf
((https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_Salamanca#Money.2C_value.2C_and_price))))

>> No.11115536

>>11115513
I don't think there's any perfect system and I'm not sure which one I'd support if I was forced to make a decision. I have some problems with the non-aggression principle that ancaps espouse, as well as some fundamental issues of anarchism I haven't seen sufficiently resolved. I'm inclined to think that a government of some form is necessary, albeit a minimal one. History of course has shown keeping such a government in check to also be a problematic endeavor. The most I can say I suppose is that I have libertarian leanings.

>> No.11115556

>>11115536

The problem with minarchism is that governments will always find a moral issue to use as an excuse to expand.

>> No.11115553

>I don't think there's any perfect system
Neetism.

>> No.11115565

I am far-left Islamic terrorist and freedom fighter.

>> No.11115571

>>11115151

Quite strongly. I'm more of a leftish voter but I don't believe in extremes and I don't mean USA left/liberal; every large political party in the USA is far right wing.

The labour party gets my vote every election, less retarded than socialists and not as extreme as the liberals.

>> No.11115570

>>11115536
Don't anarchists believe in syndicalism though? As in, trade unions as self-government?

>> No.11115576
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There are people on here who actually vote? Disgusting.

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>>11115571
>Voting labour

>> No.11115578

>>11115556
Yes, I know. Ultimately a constitution is just a piece of paper that can be ignored when convenient. Proactive protection against government on the part of the people would be necessary, and people eventually get content and put their guard down. Maybe you can get a decent century or two out of it, though, before things start going awry.

>>11115570
I presume anarcho-syndicalists do. Others, I'm not sure.

>> No.11115580

I wish I knew about politics so I could sound smart.

>> No.11115584

Long Live the People's Revolution!

>> No.11115586

>>11115581

Not the English labour party.

>> No.11115594

>>11115580
Who do you want to impress?

>> No.11115600

>>11115580
You're better off without knowing. You start projecting on fucking everything.

>> No.11115604

>>11115580
It doesn't take anything to sound ``smart'', if you only want that or seem informed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXY_8cJlGMc

You dont need to spend time reading and learning in something you are not really interested in.

>> No.11115612

"Without you no cog can turn! Worker, you can do without the bosses!"

>> No.11115621
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>> No.11115634

>>11115151
Sage. What is wrong with all of you? This is /pol/ or /int/. Post a fucking touhou with an off subject context? How many times are you going to keep falling for this?

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>> No.11115638

>>11115580
It's not worth it. You just see someone say shit that makes you mad online and then you start arguing about it, and then a few hours later you're both still in the same position beforehand and you're still mad. Repeat ad nauseum.

>> No.11115640

>>11115634

>Sage

You should always sage, anon.

>> No.11115649

>>11115638
You can learn from conversation, it isn't pointless at all unless one person doesnt have an open mind.

>> No.11115654
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communism is here faglets

>> No.11115659

>>11115649
It's not pointless, but you just spend lots of time angry and arguing. Taking it easy is better. Knowing what people are talking about in this thread is a burden.

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Oh shit, it's S-sunday

Gather round, comrades. We 2006 now

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>>11115654

Comrade

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/r/ sticky and sovietanthem.swf

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ITT we are all glorious Soviets

>> No.11115679

>>11115654
>faglets
>/r/ sticky
>We 2006 now

I know its you 2kike

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>>11115665
who revolution here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odrfx7WmNWQ

>> No.11115693

My great motherland...

>> No.11115705

>>11115654
>>11115669
Wow, another COMMUNIST DENPA fan here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TKRRs9tjuI

>> No.11115725

>>11115659
It's hard to find open-minded people when talking about politics. If the person starts getting a bit defensive, it's better to run the fuck away immediately.

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>> No.11115737

>>11115731
That's probably the entire party in that picture.

>> No.11115748

>>11115151
Only a great leader like Hitler can save America emphasis on leader

>> No.11115749

>>11115737
It's funny because it's true.

I heard from a Japanese guy that Japan used to be very left-wing, until the Internet when they started getting all the bad news about North Korea and Soviet Russia. Also probably American influence.

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>> No.11115767

>>11115749
Long before the internet.

Capitalism and communism don't really mix well, my son.

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>>11115765
very cute

>> No.11115808

>>11115767
I don't know, that's what he told me. And I always thought capitalism was mainly a western thing that expanded to Asia so I believe him.

>> No.11115821

>>11115536
Thank you for giving me hope. I thought /jp/ was full of closed-minded right-wing people, due to our hobby being one of the biggest expressions of capitalism.

>> No.11115825

They're fascinating. I don't really care what the outcomes are, or who's arguing what, but it's interesting to see how things play out, in the long run.

>> No.11115826

>>11115821
>Right-Wing

You mean libertarian?

>> No.11115833

>>11115725
I know this well. Every time when I'm very drunk I start to talk about communism spontaneously if those unfortunate don't know me and talk about it with me for 3 seconds I get so heated up with righteous fury and zeal for proletariat I become foaming sociopath. Then on next day I got to move away again.

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>>11115151
One gigantic clusterfuck, at least in America.

>> No.11115855

Politics are a clusterfuck.

I thought anarchists and communists were similar but when I watched a documentary about the anarchist revolution in Spain, it seems they were doing pretty well until communists started killing them. What the HELL?

Everyone hates each other.

>> No.11115860

>>11115855
Communists want a state, anarchists don't want a state. Communists have shown themselves to be fond of killing their political opponents. Why were you surprised?

>> No.11115868

>>11115860

Self righteous people tend to like killing.

>> No.11115873

>>11115855
Anarchists in spain were Anarcho/syndicalists.
The communism spread there for soviet influence. Communists went out to kill all the priests and opponents just as they did in Russia.
Franco was a reactionary leader that brought back order.
Contrary to what is said in many places, he was not a supporter of hitler.
http://www.amazon.com/Hitler-Stopped-Franco-Jane-Boyar/dp/1480264393/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1372585492&sr=8-1&keywords=hitler+stopped+by+franco

>> No.11115881

>>11115847
The Bible resolves many political disputes, though.

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>>11115855
>I thought anarchists and communists were simila

They're not a clusterfuck, you're just not very bright.

>> No.11115893

>>11115860
Makes sense. It was my fault for going into it without knowing anything about it.

>>11115873
In the documentary it is shown that anarchists were doing pretty well without a state, and that hunger almost disappeared and that they just had to work like 4 hours a day, even though they had civil wars. Does anarcho-syndicalism really work or was the documentary biased?

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>> No.11115920

>>11115893
It did not work in Catalonia and it did not work in Franco Spain, where the Falange ended up being replaced by Opus Dei technocrats socrats.


The latter is a better example as it had long term use. The Falange was not capable of properly utilizing resources for decades, the rapid economic development was after they had been fullly phased out and free market practices were put into place.

>> No.11115948

>>11115920
>The Falange was not capable of properly utilizing resources for decades, the rapid economic development was after they had been fullly phased out and free market practices were put into place.

Are you sure they weren't being boycotted by Franco's dictatorship? A similar thing happened in Salvador Allende's government in Chile.

>> No.11115962

>>11115948
>Are you sure they weren't being boycotted by Franco's dictatorship?

No.. you misunderstood me.
Social policy is not economic policy.
Francoist Spain was run in a syndicalist economy. The Falange were syndicalists, under Franco.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_Spain#The_Franco_Era.2C_1939-75

>> No.11115992

>>11115962
>Francoist Spain was run in a syndicalist economy.
I didn't know this.

It's a pity. It looked really nice in theory.

>> No.11115997

>>11115908
>Chen Guevara.png
you have that in svg?
of course you don't, i just gonna waste my time asking this dumb question and waiting for responce in the thread i don't even care the theme of, because i have too much free time.

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>>11115997
You could always just use a tracing program (this is potrace).

>> No.11116004

>>11115997
Nope, took it from here.

>> No.11116008

>>11115151
we live in an unjust world

>> No.11116011
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Reimu is a socialist!

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>Recent Dream: The Annihilation of Youkai

HEIL HAKUREI

>> No.11116018

They're all gay. No matter who wins the elections in my country, he ends up only damaging it further and generally being a shitty demagogue.

>> No.11116026

>>11116018

It's the same in every country.

>> No.11116032

>>11115687
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myg8Q0r8JnQ

>> No.11116036

>>11115196
>El soy yo comrade
Spanish can't you no, uh a little eben?

>> No.11116038

The opposite of taking it easy, along with most of religion. I'd without a doubt be a very angry person if I spent time on either of the two.

>> No.11116039

>>11116038
Some people enjoy arguing.

>> No.11116041

>>11115999
thank you, that worked. Helpfull reply, i'm glad, thanks.
convert Chen_Guevara.png Chen_Guevara.pnm
potrace -s Chen_Guevara.pnm
>>11116004
thanks for response

>> No.11116043

>>11115737
The JCP has over 300,000 members!

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Oh, politics. This is where I belong.

>> No.11116059

>>11115855
>I thought anarchists and communists were similar but when I watched a documentary about the anarchist revolution in Spain, it seems they were doing pretty well until communists started killing them

Communists in Spain were allies of semi-bourgeois UGT. They didn't want revolution to spread because it would annoy capitalistic France which would be bad for USSR diplomacy. The anarchist were just too radical for them.

Basically "the communists" of Spain were just spies for Stalin and the whole Comintern became a tool of Soviet foreign policy. It has absolutely nothing to do with ideology except Stalin really hated people calling themselves Marxists and acting independent of USSR. That's how POUM got slandered as "Franco's fifth column". You can't really understand it without reading material on internal party struggle of Bolsheviks though.

tl;dr: Read Orwell's "Homage to Catalonia" and maybe some Trotsky.

>> No.11116099

Consistently frustrated. I live in the U.S. so I get my choice between red- or blue-flavored corporate whores. I do vote third party but the vast majority of other Americans don't have the balls to so we all get fucked in the ass by big business. By American standards I'm a commie since I believe in the government providing for the general welfare of the people.

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