/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Im about to start reading Umineko 5-8. It's better or worse than chapters 1-4 ?

[Anonymous No.]

Shieeeet son, I'm gonna fuck dat shawty.

[Anonymous No.]

idk

[Anonymous No.]

Depends on who you ask, of course. A well integrated reasonably self conscious person will find them as good as the first chapters, though somewhat different in execution.

The average /jp/ shitposter will say something about all of them being shitty, but Chiru is shittier still, and Yukari is their waifus.

Why are you asking here, of all place? It's full of self hating scoundrel who haven't got the slightest amount of taste. They unironically like Touhou, for the love of the Holy Spirit!

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>>11066919
I thought you can talk about VN here, you know, like Tsukihime and all that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11066919
I liked a lot chapters 1 and 2 but chapters 3 and 4 were kinda dissapointing. Its closer to 1-2 or to 3-4 ?

[Anonymous No.]

5 is really good
6 is shit
7 is alright
8 is probably the most hit/miss chapter out of all 8

play it safe and just stop after 5

or you can read the rest, but don't expect much

[Anonymous No.]

episode 8 is terrible.

but there's no reason not to read 5-8 if you've read 1-4.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11066919
This.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11066919
> A well integrated reasonably self conscious person
What does this mean? Normie?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11067573
Someone that isn't a third-rater.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11067598
So a normie.

[Tokiko- No.]

I think it's okay. I mean it's definitely readable.

[Anonymous No.]

5 is the best.

It's complete shit after that. For me the utter shittiness didn't sink in until some time into episode 7. Like I realized it was shit but the impact of this large shit had not hit me yet. It's like when you take a giant dump and there's that wait before you can smell it. There's a big smell wait with Umineko and when you smell it it'll be the biggest most disgusting poop you ever smelled.

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>>11067645
Sounds lovely.

[Anonymous No.]

read all of them except 8, after 7 it just seemed to hashed out and the mystery didn't seem as interesting anymore

I enjoyed the ride tho, I just wish I hadn't wasted so much time trying to figure out unreliablenarratorjessikanontricesmallbombs

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>>11067645

8 is the best in my opinion but 5 was great too.

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>>11067672
This never happens in the VN.

[Anonymous No.]

I liked Umineko 5-8, it was pretty good.
But well, that just my opinion man.

[Anonymous No.]

>reading through 6 currently
just SHUT the FUCK UP ange

[Anonymous No.]

>>11067684

I know, the manga changed some things and retconned others, it's better.

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>>11067696
I'm just saying that you might be judging it from the manga's episode 8 when the VN episode 8 is pretty bad.

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>>11067703

I have read both and I like both.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11067645
So , its read ep 5 and then fuck it, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11067725
yep
there's a pretty big cliffhanger but 6/7/8 don't follow through

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw you genuinely think episode 6 is the best.

[Anonymous No.]

Wait, I don't get it. Shkanon is confirmed, right? Then what the fuck is this shit?

EP5, morning after the 1st twilight. Rosa, Maria, Jessica, George, Genji (probably a lie) are dead. Others except Krauss who got kidnapped are gathered in a single room, including Shannon, Kanon and Erika the Detective.
Some people speak to Shannon and Kanon but we could disregard that since Erika probably knows about the existence of only one of them so that could be explained as 'somebody just talking to Shkanon'. But then Erika says picrelated. She means Kinzo and NOBODY says "HEY, SHANNON-CHAN/KANON-KUN IS ALSO NOT PRESENT!". If anyone, Natsuhi should've be the one to bring that up to avert suspicion from the study of non-existent Kinzo.

What's this? Just shitty R07 writing?

[Anonymous No.]

Speaking of Umineko, is Umineko X any good? I'm sitting on volume 2 that WTDND hasn't translated yet, but my moonreading skills are pretty bad so I don't really know the specifics of the story.

Also, I finally got a replacement monitor so I can play Cross and it's bonus story fun

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>>11073632
>What's this? Just shitty R07 writing?
Yup.

OP, just stop after EP5. The writing in Umineko takes a sudden nosedive in quality during EP6~EP8.

It's been two years and I still don't know the official ending. Can somebody fill me in?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11077897

The name Tohya (十八) is composed of numerical kanji, numbering 18. Breaking down the name "Oyashiro" into syllables (o-ya-shi-ro), each syllable is one possible reading for the numbers 0, 8, 4, and 6. Adding these numbers together results in a sum of 18.

That Tohya Hachijo Woman is using a Memory Voice Recorder thing, she has problems without it. This was stated somewhere in the VN. Her body contains Yasu/Shannon/Beatrice/etc

You can look at this diamonds or whatever you can call it (badge? lol) on Shannon & Kanon, it's grey and colorless. Tohya Hachijo has a green one, and her witch form has a master badge wich also would make sense, not only as a simple storywriter.

I don't want to write that much now, but there is no good ending because battler created a second character in himself and everyone else dies except ange. Of course that third Beatrice daughter (Shannon etc), that body wich contains alot of personalities has of course a lot of problems too, but she stays as a final character now it seems? As Tohya Hachijo with the help of that Memo Recorder.

Maria is Beatrice's best friend and they created characters together, and Maria had some imaginary friends with Beatrice. Okay i'm starting to write more and more. Rosa has alot of stuff too but i don't know much there, but i would like to

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>>11073632
Nah, it's just you that didn't get it. Think about it a little more. You will get it.

Nah, seriously, you should use this hole that serves you of brain.

Although I can understand that it would be difficult for your first time.

That scene was from Battler viewpoint. He's not the detective of EP 5. He's even the murderer of EP 5.

Here you go, you pitiful goat. Next time you will use your brain, he?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11081527
Feels goat man

[Anonymous No.]

Are there different tea parties etc. depending on which choice you make at the end of episode 8?

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>>11081527
But then there's no point in putting "Detective" into the story at all since not even once (I think) there was a scene on the game board played from Erika's viewpoint. What you're saying is basically "Any kind of bullshit might and might have not happened in the room where Detective was present. Lying about number of people and Detective's actions/statements is also possible." Which would result in "shitty writing" anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11083802
Still possible if we go by "Battler lied about Erika bringing that up since she wasn't in the same room to begin with". Which, in turn, causes us to doubt almost every scene with Erika on the game board.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11081493

i see everything much clearer now. fantastic

[Anonymous No.]

ah that reminds me. anyone read rose gun days? after higanbana I dont really know if I'm willing to give it a try

[gigs !A7GLsxo4c. No.]

I liked 5 and 6 mainly because of Erika. After that it went downhill rapidly and I kind of had to force myself to finish the rest. The first four episodes are fantastic and 3 and 5 are probably my favorite.

[gigs !A7GLsxo4c. No.]

[Anonymous No.]

I loved all of them
except 2

[Anonymous No.]

>>11085559

Same here, EP2 felt like an alternative EP1. Just with magic. EP1 was without magic of course.

And of course untz untz untz.

[Anonymous No.]

5 is great, 8 is the best in the entire series. Most people know nothing about it because they didn't actually read it.

[Anonymous No.]

Umineko or how to kill the popularity of a writer.
Funny how R07 went from Nasu/Maeda level of popularity in Japan after Higurashi to fucking nothing after Umineko

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>>11086190
And you can clearly see in this thread that people haven't read 8 and are encouraging others to not read it as well. So in the end, no one has actually read it, but everyone hates it. What a fucking disgrace.

[Anonymous No.]

What with westerners and their obsession with this shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>11086211
Damn people who like things! Stop liking things!!

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>>11086195

Hahahahha, four RGD manga and we're still at season 2 friend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11086218
He says it out of compassion for his fellow man. He's concerned about people liking shit when they could spend their time liking better things. Why do you want people to miss out on good things?

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>>11066677
I always thought episode 1 was the best, where the story was a straight-up murder mystery, with it's feet completely on the ground. No magic, no extraordinary characters, just the looming presence of a witch you never get to know is real or not, and all of these cool murders happening in strange ways, always dipping the story in the supernatural, but never jumping wholesale into the pool.

I enjoyed the other episodes less and less (I've read up to six). The introduction of new planes of existence, bizarre characters and side stories which went on for half of episodes at times completely derailed what made episode 1 so great.

But maybe you'll like it. Your life is your own!

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>>11086279
That's the entire point and appeal of the series as a whole, though. Would 7 more episodes of vanilla mystery really be more enjoyable instead? Umineko is an incredibly unique experience because of the way it twists the genre.

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>>11086279

What about the mystery? Or is there no opinion?

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>>11086299
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle made Sherlock Holmes work with a large series of "vanilla mysteries." Yeah, it's hard because it takes actual talent instead of just adding random magic battles, but it works if you've got the skill.

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>>11086388
So it's already been done to death before.

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>>11086388

Umineko has no random scenes in it.

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>>11086299
Pardon, if you found enjoyment in the way the series gets esoteric and complicated as episodes go on (even I enjoyed a little the whole conflict between magic and logic the series takes throughout), then truly it was worth it for an audience besides me. I never meant to say that it gets bad or stale (though I would make a case for how ridiculous and crowded it gets) from a storytelling point.

I guess what I meant to say is that I enjoy vanilla murder mysteries more, I guess!

>>11086305
The mystery on episode one at least was quite interesting, though it's been at least a couple of years since I've read it. I can vouch for it, though!

I have no opinion on the other episodes because they left less of an impact on me. One thing I did enjoy following was the train of thought on the conundrum if Kinzo was alive or dead by the time the family arrived on the island. Now THAT was a twist!

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>>11086736
I must be lucky, for I enjoyed both aspects of the story equally.
I exhausted my brain playing with the mystery (or what we thought was mystery at the time). The presented "challenge" was very fun to think and talk about.
And likewise the magic part was plain ol' basic fun. I think it only worked because it had the mystery side to give it weight.
In all, I think it's an extremely well-thought-out concept: Present an initial mystery that is eventually revealed to be built over so many things that it reaches to hell itself. Under that island we found whole fucking mountain of buried fantasies, and none of them unrelated to the core concept.

You know what, though? I'd have been content with a much less ambitious solution if it didn't involve a servant being the culprit and Battler promising to be back with a pony.
A shame I probably won't see anything with this scale and atmosphere ever again.

And the music, holy shit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_PDGz9egt4

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>>11086736
>The mystery on episode one at least was quite interesting,

Actually, I wanted to clarify my statement a little now that I'm thinking about it and it's coming back to me.

The mystery on episode one wasn't really as much interesting as it was funny; the truth is that there was indeed a mystery in the form of a riddle behind all the murders, but the characters were too busy being paranoid to even care about it. It was quite a bit annoying, telling myself that if they just gave said riddle a shot instead of pointing fingers at one another, they might actually find the culprit or come out of the island alive, but I guess their disbelief on the supernatural tale behind the riddle gave the characters and the underlying plot some welcome degree of realism and flavor.

But truth be told, there's really not much of a "mystery" because what presents itself is barely worked by the characters. A shame! But it set the pace quite nicely for the episode, I guess.