/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

How are your japanese studies going /jp/? I'm finishing up katakana and reading through kim tae's guide

[Anonymous No.]

I already told you, I quit about a year ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10961397
>Implying I made a thread earlier
why'd you quit, anon?

[Anonymous No.]

lol fuckin weebs

fuck off to >>>/lang/

[Anonymous No.]

I'm inconsistently doing Heisig.

[Anonymous No.]

I forgot to practice each day since I've learned hiragana. I have failed myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10961448
there's still time, anon, you're jsut getting started

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>>10961369
Just so you know, that kanji isn't used. It's thought that it was used in surnames as the picture states, but there's no one known who has ever had a name that used it.

[Anonymous No.]

tfw reading so slowly that the pain never ends

[Anonymous No.]

>>10961476
Try this book:

http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4789009157

[Anonymous No.]

>>10961476
at least you're reading, probably in the 5% of people that start learning it

[Anonymous No.]

>>10961466
I hope so. I can't understand majority of katakana for some reason, I remembered it all when I was in high school but I forgot about it now.

Also, I have a hard time dealing with kanji and some vocab since homonyms aren't easy.

>>10961476
Same here. That is probably the root of my problems.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10961520
Your mom is the root of my dick problems

[Anonymous No.]

>>10961599
how can you have dick problems if you don't have one?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10961611
ICEBURN.JPG

[Anonymous No.]

20 new kanji and ½-1 hours reviewing per day by Heisig's RTK. So far I've learned 540.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10961628
Do 10, thrice a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10961929
What would be the advantage of doing this way?

[Anonymous No.]

I have no idea what the this is trying to describe to me, the last line anyway:
その樹は、島の中心にありました。平らな島です。島を取り囲む石組みの城壁があって、その中には町が見えます。その島もそれなりに大きいので、目の錯覚で、樹が普通によくある大きさにも見えてしまいます。しかし同時に、高い城壁がまるで花壇を囲む煉瓦一個に見えてしまうことで、その樹の呆れた巨大さが際立つのでした。

This very last line: しかし同時に、高い城壁がまるで花壇を囲む煉瓦一個に見えてしまうことで、その樹の呆れた巨大さが際立つのでした。

But at the same time the castle walls <I have no idea>, the tree's giant size becomes quite apparent.

まるで花壇を囲む煉瓦一個に見えてしまうことで、
Then it is this line that throws me right off.

"But at the same time, as if the castle walls were like an encircling wall of a flower bed, when actually looking at the size of a single brick from the castle wall and using it as a comparison , the giant tree's size can become much more apparent."?

Fuck I'm confused. Please help because I'm stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10962515
I think the point is that the tree is so big that the walls looks like they were just bricks around a flower bed (the city building). Note sure where you took it from but if there's a picture it might help adapting the sentence better since it sounds like the walls are made from stones or something? dunno

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone else here want to study Chinese in addition to Japanese? Or perhaps Korean?

I want to be able to navigate both Chinese and Japanese internet spaces, and I want to study Chinese characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10962600

You're not the only one. And you sure as hell won't be the last. I won't start either of the two, until I can fluently read Japanese. Korean is in a whole different world and Chinese would fuck me up... That's what I think anyways, haven't tried it.

Unless I interpreted that wrong, to which you were talking about learning all three in total, not together. -- Yeah, you're still not the only one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10962600
>>10962611
Why would you want to learn chinese and korean though? They don't make anything worth learning their language unlike japan.

[Anonymous No.]

I'll start learning it next week, when my special hardcore CD course arrives.

I couldn't learn french at school, have big fucking problems with english even today, so I guess japanese will be hella difficult.

[Anonymous No.]

Just to clarify something, there are no difficult Kanji. Not even the one in the OP is hard to remember once you start actually learning, so don't be discouraged by it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10962802
People who really like kanji.

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>>10962600
I'm working on learning to read both traditional Chinese and literary Chinese (similar but with slight differences). Learning to read traditional Chinese isn't too bad I think because it helps you to read kanji too. However, admittedly there are some character combinations that have meanings in Japanese but not in Chinese, or perhaps vice-versa.

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>>10962848
>I'm working on learning to read both traditional Chinese and literary Chinese (similar but with slight differences)
Are you confusing traditional (整體字/繁體字/unsimplified) with classical/literary (文言文/古文)?

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>>10962854
Err 正體字* of course

[Anonymous No.]

>>10962264
You'll learn 30, and doing chunks of 10 makes them easy to remember than just KEEP GOING TO FILL THE QUOTA

[Anonymous No.]

I'm really having a hard time following the comments and the fast conversations on people in nicolive.

[Anonymous No.]

It's going really bad, since the anki threads disappeared from jp I'm doing it very irregularly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963190
Don't you visit /a/ from time to time for their daily Japanese thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963198
I don't go to /a/ because I don't watch anime since a few years ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963205
I also don't watch anime but I just use the catalog to see if the DJT is up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963208
Well, the point of the threads was to remember to do my reps while I was browsing /jp/, and occasionally a few tips from other posters in the thread. My memory is no good anon, so I wouldn't remember to go to /a/ looking for the DJT.

[Anonymous No.]

僕の勉強はいい。

彼女x彼女ｘ彼女を読む。でもちょっと難しい。

Any other good VN/games for reading practice?

I've heard Flyable Heart is a good one.

I want to play Hyperdimension Neptunia in Japanese but I'm needing to use ITH & TA at the moment so I'm probably not ready.

[Anonymous No.]

Good. By the end of this summer I'm pretty much set for any VN and with decent reading speed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963031
>>10961929
>Do 10, thrice a day.
Is there any decent way to do this with Anki? 30 new cards per day, in 10 card sets?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963239
How long did it take you to get to that level?

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>>10963246
Around a year and 2 months has passed since I started.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963252
That's pretty fast. What did you use if I may ask? I'm currently finishing katakana so I'm going to start kanji by this weekend.

[Anonymous No.]

I gave up a few months ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963262
Why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963245
Set it to 10 new cards. Then later change it to 20. Then later change it to 30.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963257
Studied for 3-4 hours a day at the start grinding kanji with onyomi (and some kunyomi) readings for around 2-3 months using Anki. (Kanjidamage deck + website)

After that I picked up Tae Kim, made notes as I went for around a month or two. Revisited it twice and started making my own sentences from the examples given.

And then I picked up CorePLUS and grinded vocab while reading things the remaining time. Did a lot of Dictionary of Japanese Grammar reading as well as doing personal translation of things to English.


At around a JLPT1 vocab level as of now. (10000 words+). I really need to refine my grammar skills though so that's what I aim to do this summer when I'm off school.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963273
Well I thought that but it doesn't really seem desirable because all review cards will be in first session. I guess I'll try this for few days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963279
Thanks. Since I'm currently NEET, I figured I should just practice learning more and make it as a hobby then habit.

I love consuming Japanese media like the other guys but I would also like to help give back to the community without adding watermarks everywhere.

[Anonymous No.]

do any of you guys use a particular deck?
i started with the KD one since it had the on,kun and jokugo in the cards, but i don't like the order of the kanji anymore

i was thinking of making a new one with the order from rkt or jltp but with all the data from kd, but i don't want to get too tired of copying and paste all the data from kd to anki

althought i already do this for my own kanji and vocab deck

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963294
I don't have one yet. I'm not even sure how to start after stepping out of katakana.

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder how many people post in the VN thread where they discuss untranslaed VNs. I wonder what it feels like to have ascended so high.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963310
It's like your floating on Cloud 9. The satisfaction you get when people cry for translations is a feel like none other.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963270
That's what I asked myself right before I gave up.

[Anonymous No.]

Who's up for the Kanji VS Vocab discussion?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963285
Set card reviews to zero until you want to do them, nerd.

[Anonymous No.]

Just reached 1200 kanji yesterday. Finished TK's guide some few months ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963294
I have four decks

1. RTK Writing: Front - meaning of kanji; back - writing. 3,000+ kanji,

2. RTK Reading: Front - kanji, words; back - readings. This has several thousand vocab words.

3. Vocabulary - More vocab words, front - word; back - reading, definition

4. Sentences - This is a deck I got off of Anki that has all of the sentences from Japan Time's Japanese Grammar Dictionaries

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963374
Nobody because Kanji wins, period.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963388
Oh and deck 3 is coreplus, and I just suspend all of the cards that I have in the rtk reading deck.

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>>10963310
>ascended so high.

Nope. Most VNs are written in retard-tier Japanese. Conversational Japanese ins plenty if you don't plan to read riaL-soft titles or a couple of other games with advanced language. Though you'll almost automatical be able to read harder stuff after a couple of easier written VNs. Most people vastly overestimate this stuff.

Too bad you people get intimidated by a couple of glyphs.

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>>10963385

Don't wait any longer, start reading stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963395
Yeah if you want to measure your progress better, pick up a Japanese novel or some more scholarly non-fiction and see how you do. It's good to read stuff like this occasionally anyway to keep your abilities honed.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm doing Heisig, and nothing else. Maybe when I finish I'll do some Genki/Tae Kim and then... Anki vocabulary decks? I dunno.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963404
Yeah finish Heisig before moving on. Try to get through it quickly, though.

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>>10963382
But I want to do reviews in every session and amount of cards which need to be reviewed isn't constant so it can't be divided for every session with maximum reviews/day. It would be neat if minimum interval could be set less than 1 d.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963414
Set the max reviews to 0. When you get ready to review change it to 9999. This shit isn't hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963414
>But I want to do reviews in every session

But yeah you'll just have to give up on that. I don't see why it would be important to do this anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963429
I find it more effective way to learn when session has both new and old cards mixed. Sometimes I accidentally remember the order (after x there will be y) instead focusing on connecting the meaning and the kanji.

I could try to set review limit to 10 for first session, then increase it to 20 for second session and then increase it to 9999 for third session. It might be too much hassle tho.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963385
I just reached 1000 kanji today. I'm trying to start a vocab deck but it's going slowly.
Not sure if I should start TK right now or in a few weeks after learning some vocab,

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963481
Make two more decks. Set your original deck settings to 30 new cards and 9999 review
Set your 2nd deck to 20 new cards and 2/3 of your highest review count in the stats page. Set your 3rd deck to 10 new cards and 1/3 highest review. Adjust occasionally.

Now all you have to do is drag the original deck in and out of the other decks.

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>>10963414
>It would be neat if minimum interval could be set less than 1 d.

Wouldn't it? It's pretty laughable that people accept a software that sets you retarded arbitrary limits like that.

Actually, no, it's more laughable how they always go out of their way to defend this crap.

I'm still using Anki 1.2 where you could fix that, but it required plugins that are probably not available for download anywhere anymore. You could try Mnemosyne, though I did not use it much (since I have my decks on Anki already) and I can't guarantee it's not broken in some other way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963414
>>10964105
But you could. No need for plug-ins too. People complain too much even when there's no need to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963481
Can't you just set cards to review in a random order?

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a phrase for "Welcome Home Dear"? Spoken by two lovers or a married couple?

お帰りなさい(okaerinasai) for family
お帰り(okaeri) for casual
いらっしゃい(irasshai) for more of a visitor

But is there a loving version?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10964991
>for family
>not loving

[Anonymous No.]

>>10964991
You just attach the dear, just like in English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965078
Family is for beating.
Lovers are for loving and beating

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965104
>dear

Is there even a word in Japanese for that. Closest thing would be あなた, I guess. But that only works if you're a married woman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965146
Do they have common pet-names? Like Honey, Dear, Sweetie, or Dr. Zaius?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963397
Really? But how should I do that? I still lack vocab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965146
親愛なる

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965164
ハニー

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965146
Male equivalent is 君

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965169
Attach the petname of your choice at the end of お帰り.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965216
I should add that it's not really common, though so you should just stick with お帰り.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965164
Pic related.

>>10965169
You pick up vocab by reading stuff. Or did you think that grinding kanji and random vocab will somehow help you read?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965236
B-but /jp/ told me all I needed was that vocab deck!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10963236
flyable heart is good

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>>10965253
In all seriousness, I don't know why there's an obsession with grinding common kanji and vocab. Yes, it helps but only to an extent. Reading will allow you to practice grammar, learn new vocab/kanji, and most importantly learn the context in which words commonly appear and how they relate to other words.

Just think of how you read in your native language. Reading is done holistically.

[Anonymous No.]

What are you favorite kanji?
Mine are 魔、鬱、死、憂、屍 and 鬼

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965274
I'd say it's still worth grinding RTK and doing some basic vocab + grammar rather than jumping straight into reading.

After that though yeah, context all the way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965275
魂、同、様、黒

[Anonymous No.]

紫、激、輝、灰

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965275
Why so negative, anon?

I don't know many kanji, but I really like how 気　and 恋 look.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965189
He's saying anata is used as dear, retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965189
male equivalent is 貴男

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965290
"Kimi" is also used to express affection on par with "dear".

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965290
>>10965299
Only women use anata as dear.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965275
死 殺 拷 暗 憂 鬱 邪 悪

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965300
Yeah, no. I'm grorius japanese4, I should know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965317
It is and no one cares.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965302
They aren't that obscure, anon. If you wanna go full retard, try this:
刷 閖 劒 冑 薹 籥 楹

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965275
中,出,去,喜

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965335
It is not, nerboturd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965339
He obviously wasn't going for obscure Kanji, you should check the meanings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965339
I never said they were obscure. I was trying to be dark and edgy, okay?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965339
So those basic kanji are obscure for you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10962515

Below is free translation(or "Engrish").
I wish as will be your reference.

しかし同時に、高い城壁がまるで花壇を囲む煉瓦一個に見えてしまうことで、その樹の呆れた巨大さが際立つのでした。
but on the other hand,
the tree's outrageus size is contrasted well with the wall just looks like one of bricks around the flower bed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965302
愛羅武勇

[Anonymous No.]

>>10962552
There is no accompanying picture; it came from a novel. The only thing I can add is that they are viewing this from a cliff and it is a ways off but not too far that they can't see how the castle walls are constructed (because the wall structure is described). The only thing that describes the castle walls physical makeup is 取り囲む石組みの城壁.

I may have just been over thinking it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967535
Is this a fantasy novel?
I made a pic. I hope that will help you for your understanding.

[Anonymous No.]

Is this a double negative provisional construct?

ひょっとして、乳首性感帯を直接攻めなければ効果はない言ってことじゃないのか

I assume it means something along the lines of "If I don't directly stimulate the nipples, it might have less of an effect."

The 「言って」 in that sentence really confuses me though.

Someone correct me please.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>10968792
Translate it weebs

[Anonymous No.]

started seriously studying japanese in january
it's been on and off because of school and work

but now i have hiragana down, some katakana, and some kanji

i also have a penpal whom i met on my trip to japanm so she helps me through occasional emails

[Anonymous No.]

>>10968853
Go away. Kanji is important.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10968871
>she
Lel

[Anonymous No.]

>>10968853
Learning all the jouyou kanji only takes a month or two.

Only doing vocab is stupid, and a pain in the assfuck when you're reading blurry manga scans and can't make out shit and don't know the particular compound that's used.

Wasting too much time on doing individual kanji however is a waste. Anything over 2 months is a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10968792

Looks for me like a quote, though somehow the と or って is missing. I would translate it as "Are you perhaps saying that it won't have an effect if I don't stimulate the nipples directly?". Take that with a grain of salt, though.

Context would be great in that situation, so just post the whole h-scene, you dirty little rascal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10968975
Probably as you say, as the image the text is displayed on is in a flashback-ish type of setting.

Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

how is this otaku culture?

[Anonymous No.]

MFW when I can turn off subs and start to understand whats going on somewhat. I still suck though and its taking forever on account of I ussually sperg out and waste time playing video games and shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>10968948
It's not like you don't learn the Kanji when you just do vocab.
You essentially do the same, the only difference is that you learn the pronounciation in context.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10968792
That's a almost typo.
<ひょっとして、乳首性感帯を直接攻めなければ効果はないってことじゃないのか>
would be the exact text.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10969124
>I ussually sperg out and waste time playing video games and shit
Try playing them in japanese or buy japanese games then.
Even sanic has had japanese options for over the past decade.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10970146
People use 言って all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10970503
Nevermind. I'm retarded and didn't read the sentence.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know if the Obenkyo app is any good? You can sort the kanji by school level and it has two test modes.I'm using it to learn Kanji while I comute.
Should I use Anki instead? If so which deck should I use?
>>10963388
I'll try this out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10968937
you don't have to believe me anon :)
ビジネスであゆみさんにあった

[Anonymous No.]

>mfw when I know what what the Kanji is supposed to be in English but I don't know how to pronounce them in Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>10971638
RTK is 3 volumes, you know.

[Anonymous No.]

I just started with Namasensei's Hiragana video lessons

but i only watched up until Sa shi su se so

wish me luck /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>10971665
>Namasensei

Is it just be or is his accent very heavy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10971665
Just use Heisig's kana book. You'll learn them in a few hours. There's no point writing all that shit over and over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10971674

I only rewrite like up to 10 times per kana and I can already memorize them so its no big deal...but my sister rewrite them 50 times in her book...but atleast she finished her hiragana while im still stuck with Sa-so

heh...gotta study faster, gotta go to japan this november

[Anonymous No.]

/jp/, I started studying Japanese in 2008 and I still can't read any VN without the heavy help of JParser, because my vocabulary is very poor.

The reason for this is that I learned grammar and kana pretty quick in the first month, but like most people, I gave up in the memorizing part (kanji/vocabulary) because I have embarrassingly poor memory. I eventually stopped caring until this year.

I want to continue my studies, what I'm doing now is forcing my way through VNs with JParser (actually works but it's tiring after a while) and Anki+Core 2k/6k, but I keep forgetting many of them.

Should I try something else to speed it up? Should I work only on vocabulary? Or just kanji alone first? Is having the JLPT tests as motivation a good idea? I've noticed that writing kanji helps. I have poor memory but I really want to try this time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10971742
RTK

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>>10971742
What type of learner are you? It doesn't look like you're a visual learner but more of a tactile learner which means that yes, you're the type that has to write things out a bunch of times in order to remember.

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>>10971801
I remember a psychologist telling me that I'm an auditory learner, and I'm pretty sure that's true, but I don't think that would help in this case. But yeah I'm not a visual learner at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10971813
http://mylanguages.org/multimedia/japanese_audio_days.php

Maybe a simple site like this can be a starting point for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10965275

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>>10971865

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>>10971742
>>10971813
Add lots of words but don't expect to master them within a month. Use the audio available with Rikai/TTS/Grab it from wherever. Use context such as sentences using the word. Read a lot without resorting to tools that immediately give you the meaning even when you don't need it.

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>>10971813
http://ilanguages.org/japanese_vocabulary.php

Most commonly used words and phrases with audio.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10971861
>>10971891
Thank you very much.

>>10971875
>Read a lot without resorting to tools that immediately give you the meaning even when you don't need it
I try to remember the meaning when it's a word that I have seen before instead of hovering to see the meaning. I only hover when I haven't seen it before or when I fail to remember. If I don't use such a tool, I would be reading without understanding big part of the text. I wouldn't be learning that way or would I?

[Anonymous No.]

JGlossator

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>>10971907
You'll never (or very slowly) learn when you don't understand anything. Learning from context is great once you've got a good grasp of the language but is too slow when you're just starting out. Just make sure that you actually try remembering/figuring out from context the meaning of what you're reading.

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>>10971907
They don't mean not to use tools to look up words, they just mean don't set it up so that the definition/furigana appears even when you don't need it. Make it so that you need to do a copy paste, or at the very least hover over the word with your mouse to look it up. That way you can at least attempt to guess it before seeing the reading and definition.

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>>10972025
Ah yeah. In JParser you have to hover over the word, like Rikaichan. I disabled furigana because, as you say, I instincively looked at the furigana first.

>>10971977
On basic colloquial conversations this isn't a problem, but I need help otherwise.

Thank you all for your suggestions.

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>>10967535
I tried to translate.

その樹は、島の中心にありました。
The tree was in the center of the island.
平らな島です。
It is a flat island.
島を取り囲む石組みの城壁があって、その中には町が見えます。
There are walls of stone surrounding the island, the town can be seen in it.
その島もそれなりに大きいので、目の錯覚で、樹が普通によくある大きさにも見えてしまいます。
The island also is large correspondingly, the tree will be visible to an ordinary size by optical illusion.
しかし同時に、
But at the same time,
高い城壁がまるで花壇を囲む煉瓦一個に見えてしまうことで、その樹の呆れた巨大さが際立つのでした。
The high wall of castle which looks just like one of brick around the flower bed exaggerates that the tree's outrageous hugeness.

I thought,
石組みの城壁 walls of stone
それなりに大きい large correspondingly
煉瓦一個 piece of bricks
まるで...に見えてしまう looks just like ...
普通によくある大きさ an ordinary size
呆れた巨大さ outrageous hugeness
際立つ exaggerate

[Anonymous No.]

very helpful thread

[Anonymous No.]

This thread is interesting. Its general countenance is what the DJT was about a year ago. Shame the DJT these days drowns in shitflinging a bit too often.

これからもっと頑張るのだ、皆の者よ。

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[Anonymous No.]

>>10977009

It feels good to to see I recognize the fear kanji as just learned it yesterday

[Anonymous No.]

In regards to Anki 2.0, is there a way to see how many cards you have studied out of the entire deck, or a % of the deck you have seen/studied? I can't seem to find this stat anywhere.

I want to know how many words I've studied in the Core 2000 Vocabulary deck.

Thanks in advance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10977092
You have studied: "Not Enough"

Fag.

[Anonymous No.]

The day has come! I need to call this little bastard here as a specific character to learn its stories.

What about... Mr T?

[Anonymous No.]

How many cocks did you suck today?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10977167
Are you frustrated?

[Anonymous No.]

I can't wait to get to the stories with Mr. T. I might just surge there today..

[Anonymous No.]

>>10979032
But the Mr T stories suck. I'd rather choose someone meaningful to me, like Gintoki

[Anonymous No.]

>>10979032
Yeah whenever there's a large amount of kanji in a row with stories like this it gets really easy. There's another group later with Spider-man.

[Anonymous No.]

>mfw everyone who does RTK thinks they're actually learning something
>mfw they finish and realize they're pretty much in the same position they were before they started

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980012
XXDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980012
>mfw do all 3 volumes and leave being able to write 3,000 kanji with 5,000+ word vocabulary

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980012

It's hilarious

let morons be morons

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980016
>mfw you're doing it right now but are too far in to turn back
>>10980026
>mfw I started reading after a week of learning vocab because I learned the common stuff first and not at the end

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980026
Anno's desk looks exactly like mine, with the altoids mints lined up nicely on the keyboard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980036
that's ulillillia's desk

(I have to lookup the spelling of his name every single time, stupid autist name)

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980034
>>mfw I started reading after a week of learning vocab because I learned the common stuff first and not at the end

#wow #woah

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980034
You're only making yourself look dumber since you can start reading from day 1

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980068
>look at it

look it up, I mean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980034
>mfw I started reading after a week of learning vocab because I learned the common stuff first and not at the end

You realize that if someone is doing RTK there's nothing stopping from doing other things, right? If you don't know a word you can look at it, and it's not like the useful kanji are all at the back of the book, many of them are early.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980012

>mfw you don't follow AJATT

[Anonymous No.]

あいうえお
かきくけこ
さしすせそ
たちつてと
なにぬねの
はひふへほ

is all i know so far, started 1 week ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980068
It's never as effective as just learning common -> uncommon, through words and not by themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980101
That's pretty horrible, might as well just give up. I know you might think I'm trolling, but you won't ever learn Japanese at that speed, so you're ultimately just wasting time.

[Anonymous No.]

http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/4336104/Heisig_s_Guide_to_Remembering_the_Kana

http://www.memrise.com/course/43833/hiragana-8/
http://www.memrise.com/course/43875/katakana-8/

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980103
Learning what exactly?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm learning Chinese and I wish exhentai would distinguish between Mandarin and Cantonese

will I get b& if I tag them myself?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980124
>memrise
>rtk
Ignore this troll.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980127
Kana > Vocabulary + Reading

I don't know why people have to make up convoluted methods when this is the only guide you'll need.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980075
that nigger is still making money from that? He puts out a video like every two years

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980107
sure buddy

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980133

memrise is for the kana drill. It will test you on everything including the "not in use" sounds.

And that's not RTK, it's heisig's kana book to help him remember what kana looks like. Even if it was RTK, RTK is the best.

Ignore this troll.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/f47f1djhug5mrrf/Heisig_-_Remembering_The_Kanji.pdf

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980139
>I don't know
Exactly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980141

yeah I never liked him...

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980147
>learning mnemonics for kana
http://www.realkana.com/
5 hours for the first day, and then 15-30 minutes every day for about a week.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980160
Everyone who recommends RTK just did RTK themselves (or are currently doing it) and want to convince other people to do it so they don't feel so bad. Misery loves company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980160

But but you don't like flowers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980179
>But but
>>>http://knowyourmeme.com/

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980178

Are you having fun learning たいon reading for 40 different characters+radical+mnemonic for reading and radicals?
>>10980188
But but is a meme? Enlighten me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980194
I don't know what you're trying to say. I don't use RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980194
>>10980139
if you are this guy, are you having fun not being able to begin reading?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980202

I was referring to kanji damage which is fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980211
No, KD is just as bad as RTK

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980218

I was going to type up an argument but you found your way to learn and it works for you. Congratulations.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there anywhere that I can get a good vocab deck for Anki1? Their site only has decks for Anki2 now but I'm so used to using Anki1 after half a year of RTK that I'd prefer to continue with it.

Also what deck do you recommend for vocab? I finished JLPT 4 months ago and have been waiting to finish RTK before moving on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10980103
>It's never as effective

Both are equally effective because you're learning the same material mostly. Which path you should take depends on whether you want to learn to write and also whether you have any trouble with distinguishing and recognizing kanji without mnemonic support, as many people do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981159
Point being, many people when they try to go straight to vocabulary end up seeing a bunch of meaningless scribble nonsense and don't have a foundation from which to distinguish them. Some are easy, sure, but many will appear extremely complex and hard to differentiate from other. This one looks like it has some kind of line thing here, and then this shape, uh, and this one has a different line shape, etc. And this difficulty becomes increased by compounds, which become even more abstract. If you have a sufficient visual memory to go straight into this, that's good for you, but many don't. Saying that going straight to vocab is the only method needed is simply trolling. And if you need to study kanji, well the quickest way to get through that is one of the methods that organize them in the way that makes them easiest and fastest to learn by supplying an unconventional ordering, a mnemonic basis, and the elimination of repetitive writing drills (RTK, KD).

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981201
You don't have to memorize all 2000 something Jouyou just to be able to recognize radicals and distinguish kanji. You could just do 50-100 and then look up new radicals when you come across them. You wouldn't have to waste more than 2 days on KD/RTK

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981201
Theres two types of learners, ones that just learn vocabulary, and ones that get really intimidated by Japanese, don't even try it, think that if they do they will just see a bunch of scribbles, and take months to learn kanji before actually learning part of the language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981259
Epic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981254
Or you could knock it all out of the way quickly and move on with your studies rather than having to deal learning them as you go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981272
If you can get through all 2000 in two weeks with good retention then good for you, but I think it takes longer for most people. Not to mention you will have to keep doing reps if you want to remember them because it could be a full 'nother year till you see something like 桂 or 詔 "in the wild"

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981287
Yeah if you can't do it in two weeks it's useless. I'm fully convinced you people are trolls. Done here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981287

Two weeks? Why are you so impatient? Using an SRS is like learning kung-fu. The normal rate is 90 days and you keep reviewing as you keep learning Japanese until you can recall them like drinking water.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981295

He is just lazy. It's pretty hard to do something everyday to make a habit out of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981297
Because you could have spend that 90 days learning Japanese. Anyway, there are 1500+ kanji past the Jouyou that you need to learn, many of which are just as common as some Jouyou, why do you set your mark at the end of the Jouyou?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981305
>Because you could have spend that 90 days learning Japanese.

You heard it here first. Kanji aren't part of Japanese.

>Anyway, there are 1500+ kanji past the Jouyou that you need to learn, many of which are just as common as some Jouyou, why do you set your mark at the end of the Jouyou?

RTK teaches 3,000.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981305

Who said I set my mark at jouyou? RTK goes over 3000 kanji and since some people here (like me) have all the time in the world it really shouldn't take me 90 days to get to 2000. I'm lazy too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981316
>>10981313
So you want to spend even MORE time memorizing stories instead of learning to read?
Really, the second you guys get to reading real japanese you'll come across kanji that aren't in RTK. What are you going to do then, make more stories and add them to your kanji deck to collect them all?

Sometimes I wonder if there are any RTKfags that have actually graduated from RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981343
Fucking epic. Criticize for only doing jouyou then when people say that it teaches more than jouyou criticize for spending more time learning. Truly epic.

*tips fedora*

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981343

Type one kanji (besides that horrendously big one) that's not in RTK. Just one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981360
Sorry, I don't remember exactly what is in RTK, but here are some likely guesses: 蚯蚓、躊躇,犀

>>10981355
If you think I was ever actually criticizing for only doing the Jouyou, you need to practice your reading comprehension. I was only claiming that it was an arbitrary stopping point. It should be obvious that memorizing Kanji will have diminishing returns as you memorize more of them, and I think 2000 is long past the point where it is worth it.

[Anonymous No.]

Can you learn 2000 Kanji in 90 days and REALLY know them? Are you learning the readings or just the meaning?

Seems like an awful lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981386

Damn son, those kanji won't appear in a typical JRPG I'm sure. Right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981403
RTK only teaches the meanings, which often times aren't even all that accurate.
inb4 RTK2 teaches readings, except I doubt anyone in this thread has ever done it

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981413
Are you kidding? 躊躇 is ridiculously common.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981420

Yeah. They are in heisig,though. I just checked.

Numbers 2996 and 2994

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981295
How much time per day though, anon?
Some of us arent blessed with loads of free time...
Unless you suppose life to be only wake, work, japanese study, and sleep...

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981429

2069 last one

蚯 and 蚓 is far off...

[Anonymous No.]

> decameron
> wut

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981481
It means a period of 10 days you fucking mong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981441
With some help from a couple minutes of peeking through my anki deck:
鉾
薔薇
膠
蠟
舳
茫
裔
眷
喘

I'll admit, RTK3 had more than I expected, although I don't think most people do RTK3 to begin with, and I certainly am not recommending it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981414
I did all three volumes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981495
You're only half write

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Decameron..

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981498
yeah most of RTK3 is a waste of effort considering how rare they are, but there are a few like 誰　that are used everywhere but aren't in RTK1, probably best just to add in kanji as you come across them onceyou're done with 1

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981524
誰 is in the 6th edition of RTK1, as it was revised to include the new 2010 jouyou kanji, of which 誰 is one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981343
Learning the kanji is *how* you learn to read. If you know the kanji meanings you can understand enough to get the gist of what's happening you'd need a ridiculous amount of vocab to get the equivalent understanding

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981502
Congratulations on wasting even more time than the average RTK fag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981538
>thinks that understanding the meaning of some kanji in a sentence means he understands the sentence

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981540
Thanks dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981534
Ah guess i have an old version then haha.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981538
Actually, I'm quite sure you could do the same in about 2000 words. One word per kanji. Plus some people actually prefer to know how to pronounce words, and as a beginner you need to look everything up anyway to check for rendaku and unusual pronunciations.

Really, do you think there's some important innate meaning to the kanji that is separate from how it is used in words?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981548
Yeah. Also sites like jisho.org that give RTK numbers give the numbers from older editions, so they're not reliable for current information.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981553
combine that with any high context material and it's more than enough. It's by no means perfect, but a hell of a lot faster then grinding vocab both in time per unit and number of units necessary

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981561
You can understand manga just by looking at the pictures, it doesn't mean you can read it. The only way to actually read something, is to actually read something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981557
The thing is you're learning three times as many things slowing you down to reach that point. IE meaning rather than meaning and suffix and pronunciation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981534
One more thing to clarify: all three volumes have new editions now to reflect the 2010 jouyou update. So the new volume 2 matches the new volume 1, and volume 3 is fixed accordingly, e.g. 誰 is no longer there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981570
You cannot read without knowing how to pronounce the words, retard. I bet you just finished RTK and you're desperately trying to convince yourself it wasn't a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981570
If you don't know the pronunciation, you aren't reading, you're guessing a story based on what the kanji are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981579
and picking up the pronunciations organically through furigana along the way with no effort while enjoying yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981577
>>10981579
That's a cool trolling technique, denying the ability of people to understand texts that contain words they don't know by using context.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981579

So what ever happened to rtk>taekim>sentence mining?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981589
>reading manga
>>>/a/

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981593
Also works great for VNs, which are a great learning resource.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981593
>reading porn slideshows that are somehow more advanced than manga
>>>/jp/

[Anonymous No.]

I think it's kind of funny that because I use my Japanese mostly for video games, I've learned all these words for various types of attacks (反撃 挟撃 etc) while I don't know many words for trivial day to day stuff.
But my English is kind of the same.
RPGs have taught me words like pauldron, but just now I had to look it up to find the English word this (apparently they're called power strips).

But is this really a problem?
I have no plans on moving to Japan (or any English speaking country), I use both languages just to play video games, watch movies or lurk various websites. I like to travel (have yet to visit Japan) so I'd use the languages while abroad but as a tourist I'm sure I could get away with not knowing the word for power strip.

[Anonymous No.]

>mfw I started actually reading after a week of learning vocab
>mfw RTKfags invested months of time in order to guess at sentences
>mfw they actually think thats reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981617
XXDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981617
sounds legit

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981613
Nothing wrong with more vocab. If English was (or is) your second language, you would still want to know the words elf, dwarf, ogre, etc right?
I feel like the everyday words like names of food and shit is stuff you'd figure out very quickly if you every do go to japan.

But
>not knowing power strip
Just remember, if a girl offers you コンセント, its clearly an invitation for sex.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981643
and potentially extremely kinky electro-sex as well

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981617

>mfw you still don't get the point of srs

You know, it’s funny, but…

It sometimes seems like a lot of people get upset when:

I remind them that Heisig said it was OK to give yourself the keywords and story as a hint, and
I tell them to continue doing their kanji SRS reps until the kanji cards fully mature, i.e. until the intervals extend beyond their lifetime.

I mean, what am I supposed to say?

“Learn kanji in the most painful way possible and then quit before any of it sticks in your memory” ? :)

I’m just saying, dawg: if you have an answer of your own you like better already…then there’s no need to ask, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981643
Well maybe I'd learn power strip if there was a movie or RPG where the plot centered around one, the quest for the legendary power strip or something like that.
Get to it USA, UK or whoever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981650
forgot my pic

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981663
Learning Kanji before Kana?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981650
What makes you think I don't know about SRS? I SRS vocab, not kanji, because kanji by themselves are worthless.

>>10981663
>>>/AJATT/

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981579
i disagree.

kanji has pronunciation and meaning. but if japanese is not the native language, i'm pretty sure we all subconsciously give the kanji some meaning in our native language (what else can we do?).
therefore, wouldn't just learning the meaning of the kanji be sufficient to understand a sentence or story or whatever?

for example, a Chinese friend can get the gyst of japanese texts via kanji (obviously he doesnt know the pronunciation but understands the sentence because of the MEANING)

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981669
Yeah that's something I disagreed with khatz on, only takes a day to learn hiragana or katakana so no real reason to delay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981677
The point of doing kanjii is to jump start to reading native high context material as fast as possible. Vocab is useless to SRS, clozed sentences/passages are much better

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981677
>vocab
>not sentences

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981676
It's not at all. I know you want it to be, but it's not. It's the difference between 見る and 見つける and 見える and 見せる. And what if someone decided to write it みる? Well then you'd have no clue at all (and yes people often, not just in kids stories, write words with kana only).

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981696
So when that happens you look it up in rikaichan, feel dumb for a few seconds then add it to your sentences deck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981676
>i'm pretty sure we all subconsciously give the kanji some meaning in our native language (what else can we do?).
Not necessarily, the meaning of 誑 is 誑かす. The meaning of 狂 is くるう, etc. The meaning of 薔 and 薇 are who the fuck gives a shit, because together they mean ばら.

And there are tons of words that don't mean what you would think, or have more subtle meanings than the kanji would suggest. But what you are talking about might be sufficient to get a decent understanding. It just wouldn't be enough to actually read and learn the language.

You can learn words just by recognizing the kanji, without learning pronunciation if you want. But then there will be no chance of recognizing them if you hear it spoken.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981690
>jump start reading
>waiting a few months to do anything at all

>>10981692
>reading the same sentence over and over again
>not just actually reading things and SRSing vocab

I bet it Khatz told you to jump off a bridge you'd do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981704
So how can you say pronounciation is pointless?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981714
Because you pick it up organically. It's a lot easier to learn several parts to a word (kanji suffixes pronunciation) separately then all in one lump

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981708

What can I say? I'm a masochist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981708
More like a month max, and being able to read essentially anything mainstream with context at a third of the time as a vocabfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981725
It's easier to learn any one individual part maybe, but you're going to have to learn them all, and doing it separately is actually just wasting more time in the end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981676
Seeing some words in a sea of paragraphs isn't getting the gist of anything.

You obviously don't speak Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981736
You're so delusional. You can't read anything if all you've done is RTK, and you can start reading after a week of learning vocabulary. Once you actually make a little bit more progress you'll realize how stupid you are, thinking you actually know how to read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981738
Only if you believe that it's impossible to pick things up from context. Anything you pick up from reading is that much more you don't need to study explicitly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981756
Except that's exactly what my original point is. You don't need to learn kanji or readings because you will just pick them up from vocabulary, which you will just pick up from reading. I'm saying RTK is useless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981754

oh ye, of little faith...why do you reject the teachings of Khatzsama?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981754
you can read limited scripted texts. I'm well past the RTK stage, and it helps even months down the line when you see a word you've never seen before. Oh shit 不特定多数　break it down to kanjii oh not special determined many number, unspecified large number, wow that makes sense

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981763
so you're reasoning is learning two parts to a word(ignoring kanji) is easier than one, interesting. Also you need to take into account that it takes a while to get familiar with the moon runes making focus that much more important

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981783
Are you implying that you wouldn't know those kanji through vocab? They are all extremely common and you would already know all of their meanings, except my way you wouldn't need to wait a couple months to actually start learning.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm on Heisig frame 970 and there is nothign you can't do to stop me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981801
What are you even talking about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981807
Learning kanji gets you reading faster and more in depth, rocket science it aint, it's enough to get by and is a hell of a lot easier than learning meaning and suffixes and pronunciation

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981823
I literally just showed you earlier that just knowing the meaning won't help you with reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981817
That it's a lot easier to learn the meanings than the words because it's a subset of the word. Gives you a reasonably accurate reading 9 times out of ten. Also english doesn't use kanji so it's unfamiliar and needs focus.

[Anonymous No.]

When I decided to learn Japanese I wanted to do it thoroughly, i.e. to be able to write, read, listen, and be able to communicate effectively. RTK was essential for me, as it gave me the skills necessary for writing in a short time. If some of you feel that writing is unnecessary, that's fine for you, I suppose, but my goals and use of the language is not the same as yours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981835
No?
Were you the guy who made the dumb argument that not knowing the reading but understanding the pronunciation didn't count as reading?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981835
RTK2 teaches readings. Alternatively they can be picked up through vocab which is now easier to remember and less abstract due to having a basis of kanji to work with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981849
*understanding the meaning

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981844
Writing is really the only advantage of RTK, and that is it's main purpose. I feel bad for people who think they are actually learning to read through it though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981854
Yeah RTK2's a waste of time

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981835

you aren't talking to me anymore, that's some other guy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981856
It made vocabulary infinitely easier for me as well. I wouldn't say writing is the only benefit. It would help people who have trouble with vocabulary due to difficulty differentiating kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

In order to read you need to know how to pronounce a word, and know what it means. You're going to have to learn both regardless. RTK doesn't give you either, where learning vocabulary gives you both. Anything you learn from RTK will just be naturally picked up through learning from vocabulary too (except writing, it's intended purpose). I'm not going to post anymore because it's just going in circles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981874
Oops, meant to take out "infinitely" because it made my post sound silly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981879
People with your mentality always seem to completely ignore the fact that many people have trouble learning vocabulary this way because kanji are too hard for them. They need something to bridge the gap. The fact that a method worked for you does not mean it is going to work for everyone else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981879
you will have to learn both, noones arguing that. And it gives the meaning 7/10 times, it's a hell of a lot easier to learn vocab too even if it doesnt hve the right meaning. Which is easier, 馬鹿　horse deer =ばか=idiot or squiggle squiggle=ばか=idiot

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981753
i don't lol that's why i'm here

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981892
>squiggle squiggle=ばか=idiot

Yep, this is what going straight to vocab amounted to for me. It just didn't work out.

[Anonymous No.]

in any case, i think there are a lot of different opinions here on what constitutes vocab, meaning, and reading...

so this discussion is a little fruitless since we are fighting different things based on different personal interpretations of 'vocab' and 'meaning' etc

[Anonymous No.]

RTK is incredibly lame.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981996
I always misread that as turtle

[Anonymous No.]

I learned my katakana and hiragana. Is it possible for me to start reading simple eroge or manga while looking up every kanji I don't know (that'll be every single kanji then)?

It's probably a bad idea, but I think I need to hear that from someone else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10984599
You look up words, not kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10984626
Can you explain?

I'm pretty new to all this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10984926
Kanji and words are different, just like letters and words in English.

[Anonymous No.]

I just did the kanji 1000 in heisig.

Yay milestones!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10985012
would you say some kanji are words but not all words are kanji?

i.e. the word Saturday contains 3 kanji, 土曜日, each with its own individual meaning, but when combined means Saturday 土曜日

[Anonymous No.]

>>10985347
okay so what can you read or pronounce?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10985365
I can read your mom and I can pronounce "fucking your mom"

[Anonymous No.]

>>10985370
RTK syndrome

[Anonymous No.]

>>10985370
Ohhhh.
You must be doing Kanjidamage, not RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10981892
>squiggle squiggle=ばか
Not the person your arguing with but if you cant recognize kana after seeing and learning them multiple times then your fucking up. If you cant mentally recognize a kanji you've learned through vocab multiple times how the hell is RTK going to help you at all?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10986471
This. The point of RTK is to forget everything you learned anyway. You're not supposed to remember the stories and meanings after a certain point, which makes it all the more pointless. It's like the people who always talk about going on a diet, and plan it all out, but never actually do it and remain fat. RTKfags are on the level of university students. They don't actually learn anything, they just dance around it and like to plan a lot until they're bored and eventually either give up, or start actually learning and realize how stupid they were before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10986471
>>10986577
Think before you speak
Oh wait, I almost forgot who I'm talking to

[Anonymous No.]

The only fags that complain how shitty is RTK are the fags that never tried it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10987214
Well I have tried it, and I think it was kind of a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is this thread even still alive? All its turned into "my way is the best way" shitposting. You can tell that everyone arguing about this hasn't been learning for very long or has failed once already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10988281
It's mostly just one "side" that's going "my way is the best way"