/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Hmm...

[Anonymous No.]

You just need to exclude secondaries and praise ZUN.
The rest is elitistic crap.

[Anonymous No.]

Touhou is a pyramid scheme?

[Anonymous No.]

Where's /jp/?

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>>10787191
pretty much everyone is in the lowest stratum

[Anonymous No.]

>Support group
>Pixiv, doujinshi and porn crap

That's actually the leecher group.
Not to mention ZUN hates Touhou being sexualized.

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>>10787199
But I love sexualized Touhous.

[Anonymous No.]

Which rank are pirates in and what's it say about homos on the bottom?

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>>10787199
Fuck ZUN.

[Anonymous No.]

Personally I hate how more people are considering unofficial works as canonical - but I bet this is just because of some of the people I an unfortunate enough to know. But really, I'm fucking tired of "X acts like this, like in this doujin' she..."

Others I hate because they think Touhou has a phenomenal story. That one, I can't fucking understand.

Me? I'm dodging bullets with a little girl

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>>10787221
>Personally I hate how more people are considering unofficial works as canonical
These people are retarded.
There's nothing more to it.
I'd like to hear their reasoning so I could laugh at them

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>>10787210
sup Sion

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>>10787242
I remember a couple instances where their only reasoning was because
"Doujin' story is more developed"
>MFW

[Anonymous No.]

Touhou doesn't have enough canon stuff for one billion men to fap to. Fan artists deliver to us like OP do to chan. End of discussion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10787288
Do they even know what canon means?
Also
>MFW

>>>/a/

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>>10787307
Pretty sure they do. That was a year ago since I met one of those people last. University is clogged with them.

Personally my roommate is a huge Touhou fan who is heavy into the fanscene, but he's not an idiot like the other fans I've run into.

Man, this tread makes me want to play Touhou later. I find the games quite fun, but I hate a lot of the fans I have enountered irl

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>>10787386
You are obviously a crossboarding neo/jp/ collegenormalfag, but you seem to be less annoying than others of your kind

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>>10787414
Please do not provide attention to crossboarders.

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>>10787414
/b/ tard actually
You seem to be typical /jp/
>kbaitnxfag

[Anonymous No.]

>Tuhou rank pyramid
>Tuhou

I can see where the "2hu" abbreviation forms from now.

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>>10787435
>/b/ tard
>1184411676124.jpg

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>>10787475
The romanization of お and おう is wacky as HELL

I still like Toho because it's like Toho Co. and nobody says Gensoukyou or Toukyou unless they're faggots

inb4 hepburn

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>>10787221
>>10787242
People have their own headcanon. I think of them as separate canons in their own right; that is the doujin spirit. Different people build their own interpretations.

Stories can evolve into myriad interpretations and versions, and that is the beauty of fiction. Fairy tales have a long and colorful history of changes, and it is pointless to assert that every modern version is fake since they're different from the original tales.

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>>10787490
This. In fact, Touhou is just ZUN's interpretation of Japanese mythology. All the cool backstory is basically stolen. That doesn't mean ZUN is "wrong" because Tewi didn't have her skin bit off like The White Rabbit of Inaba.

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>>10787490
Headcanon basicly means "plausible speculation" , and it's not seperate canon in their head, it's fanon in their own head.

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>>10787175
>Tuhou Rank Pyramid

You mean Tuhou Hierarchical Rank. When will Japan ever use good English for once

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>>10787490
There is only one canon. Everything not canon is fanon, no matter how you look at it. Things don't become canon just because you like them. It's in fact pretty disrespectful towards ZUN if you call yourself a fan of his work, yet dismiss his words as not canon and write your own canon, just because you like some doujin.

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>>10787510
>Everything not canon is fanon, no matter how you look at it.

What about Inaba of the Moon and Inaba of the Earth?

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>>10787510
But you can write your canon. Thus making your canon only applied to self. Because how much you want to admit, anybody's canon is not canon in general

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>>10787490
>headcanon

I don't think I'll ever get over how dumb and pretentious this word is.

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>>10787519
>But you can write your canon

You can't.

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>>10787518
Never falsified or declared untrustworthy in other official sources. Canon.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't actually know moon, what do the tiers in that pyramid say?

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>>10787520
I think it's a useful idea, I just don't like the word itself. It's too quirky and I can't think of it as anything but a Twitter hashtag or a Tumblr tag.

Just an ordinary phrase would do. Something like "my personal interpretation". It also filters out a lot of stupidity because if your idea of a character doesn't sound like a realistic personal interpretation, then your idea is dumb.

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>>10787527
That is probably the worst definition of canon I've seen in my life.

Sakuya has AIDS. ZUN never falsified it so that means it's true.

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>>10787527
It's official but I wouldn't say it's canon. It's a comedic 4koma. Even some generally serious manga series have those. Satou and Misaki in Welcome to the NHK! aren't canonically aware they're in a comic, for example.

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>>10787536
The difference is that the Inaba comics are ZUN approved, while a Sakuya AIDS story most likely isn't

[Anonymous No.]

Most of the popular fanon is derived from official sources. Sakuya's bust size increased in her Tasofro art, therefore she wears pads.

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>>10787536
Did you miss how Inaba&Inaba is a fucking official Touhou comic? Or maybe I missed something and Sakuya have AIDS in an official source?

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>>10787510
Fanons are their own canon, separate from ZUN's. Take all the current TV and movie adaptations of things like Sherlock Holmes TV series, movies, ect. for example. They have radical changes but are their own canons with plenty of fans preferring them and think of their characterization first (for example, if I think King Arthur a cute blond girl is the first thing I think of by instinct).

But I do agree that fans do need to understand which is and isn't part of the official ZUN canon and be able to recognize different fanons as separate from that. However individual doujin works' fanons shouldn't be disregarded and it is entirely possible for someone to be a fan of only a particularly well written doujin work and not the original (many kids would cry if they knew that Sleeping Beauty was about a chick getting brutally raped while unconscious, or that Batman casually shot people to death in his debut). They just need to make sure to separate it.

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>>10787533
I agree with the poster you quoted.
It basicly serves the purpose to make up whatever shit story you want while saying "this is my own canon, don't critisize me".
People then seriously belive they have the right to disrespect ZUNs work like this and think that their stupid fantasies are better than the information ZUN has given us

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>>10787490
>>10787504
Please make sure you stay in tumblr and do not follow weird links.

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>>10787554
>Fanons are their own canon
Do you even fucking know what canon means?
Holy shit

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>>10787554
Only Arthur canon is Mabinogion. Everything after that is fan fiction.

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>>10787542
Is the Star Wars holiday special canon because it was George Lucas approved?

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>>10787564
No. Star Wars has its own system of canon, and the Holiday Special is no longer G-canon:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canon#Canon_in_the_Holocron_continuity_database

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>>10787564
It is. It introduces Chewie's family and the concept of Life Day.

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>>10787573
That makes it S-canon at best. Plenty of non-canonical (and even fanonical) concepts have made their way into official Star Wars continuity.

[Anonymous No.]

2013 /jp/

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>>10787561
A canon is an agreed convention. Fiction is fiction and can be reinterpreted in myriad ways.

As I mentioned, there are plenty of cases where people prefer fanon such as Hans Anderson or Disney versions of stories, and they have their own canon.

Like I said, I agree that things not by ZUN are not in the Touhou canon; however, they are in the specific work's canon. To dismiss them is to be disrespectful to that individual author who may have put just as much effort into that tale.

It even works with languages. English, Spanish and French were originally just accented gibberish versions of Latin, but because people liked them and used them, they grew to become the official languages of their areas.

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>>10787386
>I hate a lot of the fans I have encountered irl
Luckily I haven't been within a 500 mile radius of one.

[Anonymous No.]

Sparky is trolling everyone in this thread.

https://fuuka.warosu.org/jp/?task=search2&search_filename=220c7c09e1af6a3694d9f45dee06757b18474f24.jpg

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>>10787605
>To dismiss them is to be disrespectful to that individual author who may have put just as much effort into that tale

I'm not dismissing them, I'm just saying that they can be beautiful stories with interesting inerpretations.
Just please don't call them canon and spit upon ZUNs work, the one who originally created these characters and probally has put much more effort into them and the games than some guy who draws a story with existing characters.

Now, doujins with original characters which interact with ZUNs characters are what I like best because thats where a artist puts the most work into it

[Anonymous No.]

Crawl back to the shithole you came from, Russian Unicorn.

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>>10787628
>the one who originally created these characters

You realize that a lot of the characters are lifted directly from mythology, right? Can those particular characters no longer be considered canon?

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>>10787644
It's the contrary, mythology comes from touhous!

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>>10787644
Having your work inspired by mythology is a very common practice, it doesn't means that they are not original characters.
And these mythologies were created hundreds of years ago so you can't really credit the creators of thema anymore.
They are free for all

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>>10787650
What a fucking capitalist are you?

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>>10787605
It is almost universally agreed that only authors' words are, well, authoritative when it comes to fictional universes.

What you're basically saying that a random person on the internet with funny ideas in their head about someone else's work is on the same level as people who actually created something a lot of other people care about (enough people to establish that convention of yours, to even start discussing what's "canon" or not). It's pretentious beyond comprehension.

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>>10787650
>They are free for all

Cool, so is Touhou as per ZUN's terms of use for derivative works.

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>>10787677
Sadly.
If I was ZUN I would make all these bastards drawing horrible porn of my characters feel as bad as I possibly could while encouraging people to write and draw creative and interesting interpretations.

Then again would this encourage people to draw even more porn, and ZUN probally knows this

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>>10787555
>People then seriously belive they have the right to disrespect ZUNs work like this and think that their stupid fantasies are better than the information ZUN has given us

You sound overly pretentious and kind of autistic. Well, in your case you're underage, so it's pardonable.

How can I see that your underage, you're certainly wondering? You have the thought pattern and the grammar of a child. You should get used to try to hide that fact. That's only a tip, I don't really care.

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>>10787666
So are you trying to argue that series such as Castlevania and Hellsing cannot have their own canons because they are just random people writing fanfiction of Dracula to make money?

What is "universally agreed on" is what people actually agree on, and there are plenty of cases where what is essentially fan-fiction completely overshadow an original work or historical event in people's minds.

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>>10787691
Damn, you sure showed me by making false assumptions about me

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>>10787573
>Chewie's family
retconned

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>>10787666
>It is almost universally agreed that only authors' words are, well, authoritative when it comes to fictional universes.

Which authors? A lot of people besides George Lucas contributed to Star Wars, and a lot of things George Lucas has done aren't considered canon (both by bitter fans and by Lucas himself).

Touhou is a collaborative universe. Just as J. R. R. Tolkien isn't the only person who decides the goings on in Middle-earth and H. P. Lovecraft wasn't the only person who created the modern Cthulhu Mythos, Gensokyo is shaped by thousands of authors, artists, and fans. Sometimes they had direct involvement with ZUN (like the Tasofro games or the comics), sometimes they don't even know who ZUN is. Fact is, they've all chipped in, in one way or another.

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>>10787700
NOT IN MY HEADCANON!!1

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>>10787692
Castlevania has its own canon but it certainly isn't Dracula canon, in the same way that Touhou doujin works aren't Touhou canon. You can say it's part of the circle's canon if you want to be that pedantic, but it's not Touhou canon.

[Anonymous No.]

Absolutely disgusting.

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>>10787718
But it is "Touhou" canon. Stop giving ZUN all the credit. It's like when people give George Lucas all the credit for Star Wars.

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>>10787718
Isn't that exactly what I said?

[Unnamed Book-Reading Youkai !denX47.muQ!!XUU92Uht5OG No.]

>>10787175
Am I reading this wrong?
This seems to imply that ZUN is the least important, and the support group is the most important; the foundation for which its absence would mean a complete toppling of the structure.
"fanworks are more important than the original canonworks"
Q.E.A

[Unnamed Book-Reading Youkai !denX47.muQ!!XUU92Uht5OG No.]

>>10787734
If people want their own canon, why don't they just create their own story, instead of hijacking someone else's intellectual property?

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>>10787775
If ZUN wanted his own canon, why don't he just create his own story, instead of borrowing from Eastern mythology?

http://youtu.be/jcvd5JZkUXY

[Anonymous No.]

Translating for the benefit of the non-moonrune reader. Tell me if i wrong at place.

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>>10787814
Thank you for accommodating for our fellow /a/-brethren.

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>>10787288
Next time tell them you will write a more developed story of their life and consider it fact.

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>>10787755
it's popularity pyramid, sperglord

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>>10787825
Isn't this what biographers do?

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>>10787814
I fucking hate "fandom" shit. Touhou is Touhou, its canon is defined by ZUN, everything else is unofficial fan works, period.

[Anonymous No.]

oh my

a lot of edgy haters here

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>>10787853
Translator of >>10787814 here. Yeah. I feel dirty after translating this. It's like there is rank of importance among fandom. Sometimes i hated that.

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>>10787853
Proletarian Class detected

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>>10787864
>It's like there is rank of importance among fandom. Sometimes i hated that.

Why is that so bad? Some fan works are clearly better than others.

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>>10787889
But aren't those... you know... personal preference.

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>>10787889
This doesn't rank fanwork quality though.

[Unnamed Book-Reading Youkai !denX47.muQ!!XUU92Uht5OG No.]

>>10787864
>>10787889
That may be true, but there's a lot of shit being praised.
>famed meme creators

because as we all know, LE HONK HONK and CAVED are such important contributions.

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>>10787922
Usually taste is subjective but if you think askudonge.tumblr.com is better than something like Carcharias, then you are wrong. Not wrong in my opinion, you're just flat-out wrong.

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>>10787938
Including in terms of CANON ADHERENCE, I should say.

Some comics are just memes or porn. Others are like Touhou side stories that could easily have been written by ZUN himself.

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>>10787692
No, I'm trying to argue that series like Castlevania that have millions of people playing them and tens of thousand of dedicated fans among them are different from things some random autist makes up for himself in the confines of his own head.

And in case you decide to go full retard: I'm not saying they're better because they sold well. I'm saying they fulfill the requirements for having a canon to speak of.

>>10787703
>by Lucas himself

Yeah, well... precisely? You've just tried to argue against the statement that authors decide what's canon by giving an example of an author deciding what's canon.

>Touhou is a collaborative universe.

Maybe after ZUN dies, and that's a maybe. Until then, he's calling the shots and he alone.

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>>10787949
>You've just tried to argue against the statement that authors decide what's canon by giving an example of an author deciding what's canon.

My point was more that "author said X, therefore X is canon" isn't always the case. I suppose it does sound hypocritical because the author is saying something isn't canon is now canon, but I was trying to get across that the author's decision isn't always the authority on the matter. Authors can change their minds and write retcons.

And of course, I'm not saying ZUN's creations aren't canon, just that ZUN's works are the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Touhou continuity.

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>>10787949
Caring enough about characters to weave his own brand of creativity into their life is the sign of the true fan. The fan that does 200 000 words fanfics about Touhou, the fan that draws 7 parts doujin manga about an obscure character. It is the highest form of respect someone can have for the work of someone else.

In the other hand, "MUHHH THE CANON IN YOUR HEAD IS NOT THE TRUE CANON OF ZUUUUNN!!!" is a deeply childish line of thought. You sound childish, do you know? Like a baby throwing a tantrum.

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>>10787941
As much as I can't stand it, especially thanks to the wikifairies, that's still subjective. Maybe some people just like that kind of thing and it drives them to discover Touhou, and serve as a gateway at least.

I can't fathom how Katawa Shoujo caught so many new players' attention and I personally don't like it, but it did lead lots of people to discover and start playing VN for the first time

On the flip side, it could be that a masterful Touhou doujin work filled with tons of obscure canon facts doesn't have lots of fans because most people haven't read all of ZUN's works, and generates little new interest, getting little attention. I and other dedicated fans would agree it is a much better work for us, but it is a subjective thing whether it is "more important" to the fandom as a whole

[Anonymous No.]

headcanon is a dumb excuse for perverts and shipperfags

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>>10787977
Excuse for what, exactly? Fiction is fiction, and the most important thing is for it to interest people at least, if not entertain them.

[Nameless Book-Reading Youkai !denX47.muQ No.]

>>10787949
What's the feasibility of creating a collaborative universe?
I think the best way to go about doing this would be through a wiki, even though I generally detest that solution.
But then I suppose just one universe wouldn't be enough. You'd need one "reality" strictly reserved for ORIGINAL CHARACTERS, another one for cameos and crossovers of characters from other works, and I guess more partitions would be built up as needed.

I'm starting to hate this idea already.

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>>10787864
I kind of agree. Why would you rank fans from how much fanworks they produce? Seeing the chart is made by a Japanese, i'd say Japan has shitty mindset.

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>>10787968
I don't think getting people into Touhou is the biggest arbiter of quality or how close to canon a work is.

I got into Touhou through Marisa Stole the Precious Thing, and now I'm a bitter nerd who hates that song/video (I like other IOSYS stuff, though, I haven't gone full hipster modo).

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>>10787966
There is nothing wrong with writing stories about characters you like. What's wrong is believing that your story somehow overwrites the canon that those characters were taken from. If i write a story that kills of Hina, then Hina will be dead in my story. She won't be dead in actual Touhou canon and if i somehow believed she was dead in the actual Touhou canon now, then i would have problems. In fact, my story should never be brought up in a discussion about canon in the first place.
>"MUHHH THE CANON IN YOUR HEAD IS NOT THE TRUE CANON OF ZUUUUNN!!!"
This is a true line. My canon is not the official canon and never will be. Nothing will change that, even if 10000 people like my story.

[Anonymous No.]

How many of you are from /a/ or are still big anime fans? Just wondering since many people seem to be taking the same approach to doujin culture as anime and talking about intellectual property.

I used to be a huge anime fan and never liked STG or fanfiction games before, but when I discovered Touhou I pretty much stopped watching anime altogether and dived into every facet of Touhou I can find, canon and fanon. The limitless number of different Touhou verses and interpretations and the way the fandom is able to participate in building their own Gensokyo is what made Touhou so magical to me and distinguished it from normal anime and manga that feel restricted by one canon. It is the epitome of the doujin culture and was a revolutionary experience to me.

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>>10787982
>Seeing the chart is made by a Japanese, i'd say Japan has shitty mindset.

But Japanese fan works are all high quality because the Japanese are more hard-working when it comes to content. Of course having more works means they're better!

(I'm kidding but I seriously see posts like this on /jp/)

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>>10787981
I suppose that my problem isn't so much with headcanon as a concept as with the kind of people who subscribe to it and push it, you get the most obnoxious kind of faggots like FLAN SO INSANE LIEK ME XD, but everyone already knows that fandoms are the worst part of any content

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>>10787988
At least it was something like that. I got into Touhou because someone posted a picture of Cirno on 4chan. Then I looked it up, and initially thought it was some hardcore cardgame (spellcards). Then I got it off a torrent somewhere and then realized it wasn't anything I thought it was.

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>>10787988
That's exactly it, it is subjective. That's why I compared meme generating comedy with some super cult artsy masterpiece that few truly appreciate. As literary critics and hardcore fans we'd rank the masterpiece much higher, but that's our opinion. Who is to say MSTPT isn't a much greater contributor that lead in many doujin artists that in turn made more substantial contributions they otherwise wouldn't have?

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>>10787993
You shouldn't have left /a/.

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>>10787963
>Authors can change their minds

In no way does that change the fact that they're calling the shots.

>>10787966
Nice try in shifting the blame, but I'm not aware of any actually creative person who calls his works "headcanon". It remains a domain of internet autists.

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>>10787990
Not him but if I liked your work more than ZUN's, I'd happily accept it over ZUN's. Plenty of creators have died, given up, or had creative disagreements, then the work has passed on to somebody else. Western comic books are a good example because they've had thousands of writers and fans do pick and choose ones they consider the "true" depictions of Batman or Superman. Bob Kane and Jerry Siegel actually disliked some depictions of their characters, but they're still canon in the fan's eyes.

Frankly I'd rather decide these things by the authors or what I personally like, rather than by the publisher or the original creator (sometimes the original creator doesn't know what they're doing any more, like George Lucas).

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>>10787998
But to me it's the opposite with Touhou and that is what makes it so special. Honestly I only divide the fandom into two types and that's "contributors" and "non-contributors".

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>>10788003
>That's why I compared meme generating comedy with some super cult artsy masterpiece that few truly appreciate. As literary critics and hardcore fans we'd rank the masterpiece much higher, but that's our opinion.

No, we're right.

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>>10787968
>wikifairies

I think I know how I will be calling the wiki editors from now on.

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>>10787990
>>10787993
>>10788010
Why are you on /jp/? You can probably make your epic canon content on Tumblr or Shrinemaiden better than here, with the rest of the "fandom".

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>>10788014
First quote was meant to be >>10787966

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>>10788010
I usually find that it can be divided pretty evenly between people who played the games and those that didn't, and it usually shows a lot. Though I guess at the end you have to take the good with the bad

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>>10788005
I've never been on /a/. Normally I'd never come to a site like 4chan, but the newborne babe /jp/ drew my attention and I've been here since its debut, and it is still the only board I visit to the point that people mentioning other boards confused be because I never think about their existence)

/jp/'s moto is creativity, we are a doujin culture! I don't mean to say that sarcastically either. I really appreciate all the works that people put into things like translation and OC threads. We still have far to go, but there are things to be proud of!

[Nameless Book-Reading Youkai !denX47.muQ No.]

>>10787993
Okay, Black Tewi.

>>10788010
Really? I divide the groups thusly: faggots who ascribe to a "fandom", and people who enjoy the content individually rather than based on what other people think.

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>>10788020
There's a difference between appreciating doujin works and thinking that fan memes or interpretations of Gensokyo are somehow relevant to canon.

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>>10788019
But that leads the the silly false dichotomy of primary vs secondary, especially on /jp/. There are plenty of fans to embrace both, and so-called primaries that fail to even fully embrace that, simply because they're not as dedicated as fans.

I've been in lots of threads where I cited more obscure facts from character profiles or written ZUN work only to be jumped on and called a secondary for " fanon bullshit up" by self-proclaimed "primaries".

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>>10788014
The best way to make your stories canon is probably to go to the Wiki and add "ZUN said in an interview that [...]", on a character's page, without giving a source. No one watches the interviews and many are not even translated, so it will probably take some time before someone removes it and as long as it's on the Wiki, it's canon for many fans.

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>>10788032
I've done something like this, and it's still there.

The translators in particular are serious morons:
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Touhou_Wiki/Editor_Corner/Archive_4<wbr>

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>>10788029
Not the guy you're replying to, but in my opinion people who aren't a fan of official Touhou works aren't proper Touhou fans. They're fan of IOSYS, of AskUdonge or whatever, but they don't care about the official works.

Someone who likes all the WOOP WOOP videos isn't a Chuunibyou fan, just like someone who only likes IOSYS PVs and AskUdonge's "art" isn't a Touhou fan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10788029
Well then those people are retards, but if you've never even beaten an EX mode and just read the dialouge off a script you're missing half the experience

[Anonymous No.]

>>10788026
this, so much this

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>>10788029
Yeah, it's very surprising how unfamiliar people are with some of the official materials.

[Anonymous No.]

My favourite thing ever is when people try too hard and insist things like "da-ze" and "mukyu" aren't canon.

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>>10788056
Not surprising I guess considering how it took much longer to generate enough interest to translate ZUN's official written works than lots of doujins. When I was here there were tons of ZUN's works that were untranslated, including the official mangas. I guess maybe it's the same on both sides of the ocean since ZUN felt the need to make a game to promote the faries manga. That did help galvanize interest in the translations and now translations for canon things are up to date.

[Unnamed Book-Reading Youkai !denX47.muQ!!XUU92Uht5OG No.]

It's exactly the secondaries, those who know the least about Touhou, who produce a vast majority of the content. This is why everything's so shallow in the first place

[Unnamed Book-Reading Youkai !denX47.muQ!!XUU92Uht5OG No.]

>>10788060
They aren't canon to the extent that secondaries take it to, i.e., "She ends every sentence with da-ze"

[Anonymous No.]

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/User:NamelessLegacy/Arrange_wishlist#Publication
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jtdePMnTTI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQtwP2L6YHQ
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/35890357/th/western_arrange_scene.pdf

[Anonymous No.]

>>10788007
I wish i could superimpose something over some parts of the canon as well, like that whole punk rock thing or parts of the manga, but i can't and i would never argue about those things not being canon in a discussion about Touhou canon. I would just seem like a misinformed fool if i did. I can certainly sympathize with people who don't like everything in canon. You don't have to blindly like everything after all, as long as you keep in mind that it's still canon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10788048
Yes, I mentioned people certainly can be fans of derivative works without being fans of the original.

However, in terms of contribution, things are rather subjective-as is the question of if more fans are are good or bad thing. Being drawn in by IOSYS only can still lead to them buying official games even if they don't play just to collect merchandise, and on one hand you can shun them for not being real Touhou fans, but on the other hands realistically money is a contribution. Or, maybe they're talented artists and draw beautiful pictures of the characters that get posted all over /jp/. In all likelihood many great Touhou artists probably aren't big fans and just try drawing Touhou when something grabs their attention. Or maybe a musician doesn't care or understand the series at all but make really cool sounding remix of the music. Perhaps they themselves are not serious fans, but it can still lead to things fans can greatly appreciate.

What is WOOP WOOP?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10788066
>That did help galvanize interest in the translations

I would not read too much into it. The problem with getting translations quickly enough used to be Voile, how slow it was and how protective they were of the slow translator's "right" to do them. This was rectified first by /jp/'s interest in Sangetsusei, then by that guy from TVTropes showing up and being able to make manga translations regularly and up-to-date. It was, basically, a systemic error in how the fanbase functioned, kinda like the crappy engrish translations on the wiki. It does not imply a disinterest, it just a matter of a few wrong people being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10788093
For every good remix theres a dozen remixes of cirnos perfect math, its digging for diamonds in a mountain of shit, and if they actually pick up and play the games then I have no problem but most haven't even 1cc'd normal mode so they can go fuck themselves

[Anonymous No.]

>>10788093
You're avoiding the point. Yes, doujin works are mostly good and they attract newcomers who might be interested in the official works.

Still, if someone pays no attention to the official works, he's not a true fan in my eyes.

WOOP WOOP are those parody videos of Chuunibyou's opening. Probably KnowYourMeme has some article on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10788108
Meant to say like, not of, thank god there aren't 12 different remixes of it

[Anonymous No.]

>>10788108
You're putting remixes of Cirno's Perfect Math Class as an antithesis of good. I counter with Cirno's Advanced Math Class.

It's not just digging for diamonds in the shit. You can make diamonds out of shit too.

[Anonymous No.]

>tuhou