argument against secondary haters

[Anonymous No.]

I have a question for you.
How do fan artists decide whether a character is fat or thin? How big her boobies? What pantsu she wear? Many of the times official artist didn't even decided on that.

Patchy is a good example.There are many kind of Patchy. Skinny weak Patchy, oversized Fatchy, anorexic supermodel Patchy. If you can name it, someone have already drawn that. Canon Patchy never even show any meat above her knees so we don't really know how she actually looks. Which mean we could say that all doujin featuring half naked Patchy is NOT canon.

If you are one of those bitch-ass secondary haters, I give you one more reason to stop reading doujin, including the one with canonical story: Character appearance is NOT canon, stop fapping to that.

[Anonymous No.]

I like meaty girls with big boobies

I project that onto all the touhous, fattened up on human flesh

[Anonymous No.]

skinny weak

[Blaze !!f3qgRrpHNAR No.]

>>10757341
I hope you do realize that dojins are only thing secondaries read and believe?

how can we not hate idiots who go around yelling out memes and stupid fannon stuff as if it was cannon.

And your argument is invalid.
Because you presume that all people do is fap to touhou and post on /jp/ about it.
Please get some common sense.

[Anonymous No.]

Patchy for me

[Anonymous No.]

Patchouli is my waifu, I'll fap to her whenever the hell I want.

[Anonymous No.]

wow op your post is fucking retarded, and-so-are-you, we do not get mad at artists showing alternative portrayals of characters, we get mad at people being stupid in general and tarnishing things we love with their crap. Of course everyone can have their taste along an opinion but overall being stupid or liking stupid things is considered bad taste and will be attacked.

This said please stop posting, or move away, or kill yourself. Go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757369
>presume that all people do is fap to touhou
Uh, where is that stated?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757341
Please do not use the term "doujin" when what you mean to say is "derivative work". The terms are not interchangeable.

With that said, yes, derivative works are not canon. Good job pointing that out.

[Anonymous No.]

Current situation:

OP: Fuck secondary
JP: What the fuck is your problem OP we love secondary

OP: Fuck people who hate secondary
JP: What the fuck is your problem OP we love to hate secondary

jp was peaceful today too

[Anonymous No.]

What argument are you trying to make, OP? A secondary isn't just someone who draws fanart in a different style than ZUN's art. It's someone who has no clear idea what's canon or not and is only into Touhou because of fan-work. A fan-artist can be a secondary, but a secondary isn't a fan-artist by default.

[Blaze !!f3qgRrpHNAR No.]

>>10757384
>If you are one of those bitch-ass secondary haters, I give you one more reason to stop reading doujin, including the one with canonical story: Character appearance is NOT canon, stop fapping to that.

Why did you even mention fapping?


And almost no one is arguing the many portrayals of characters.
It has been always about the fact that idiots keep saying that all the shitty memes and other stupid stuff is "cannon".

Example:
The "PAD" joke got old years ago. But I still see it on net.
The "Sanae a slut". Dont get me even started on that one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757388
I'm sure derivative work done by fans can be described as "doujin work." It just refers to those with similar tastes. Don't get your shimapan in a bunch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757398
Poor OP, always gets bullied.

[Blaze !!f3qgRrpHNAR No.]

Besides I for example dont hate those secondaries who just enjoy fan works and fan music remixes.
All the dojin works are nice and everyone should read at least some.

But it goes to shit when people start to post random shit like old fandom memes and fandom things that they [think] are cannon.

[Anonymous No.]

I never understood why people got upset when artists drew out of character portrayals of fictional characters.

Then someone drew my waifu as a dirty slut with no respect to her canon personality.

I now understand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757401
This. What the fuck are you even talking about, OP?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757420
I'm glad you do now too.

[Blaze !!f3qgRrpHNAR No.]

>>10757420
That I can understand.
Extremes like that make me angry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757420
>canon personality
Because she had none.

[Blaze !!f3qgRrpHNAR No.]

>>10757442
Spoken like a true secondary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757446
Spoken like a true wannabe primary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757442
To be fair there really are characters without personality.

NO DIALOGUE, NO PROFILE
CHARACTER ART ONLY
HIGHLY RESPONSIVE TO PRAYERS

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757453
I honestly don't think that game profile and couple of silly ingame lines can be counted as "personality". I'm sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757453
But it's stupid to think none of them have one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757439
Extreme is not okay? So, a little is fine?
So it's okay if you like it?

Spoken like a true secondary, m8

And from other reply I thought you was reasonable, now you are just indecisive asshole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757455
Patchouli is a bad example. She actually has a ton of lines. A better example might be someone like Yuugi or Rumia.

Koakuma is the gold mine, though. Even Daiyousei and Tokiko have more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757457
Maybe they have, but there is no way to know the canon personality of a character that has nothing but a name and a picture.

[Blaze !!f3qgRrpHNAR No.]

>>10757452
Did I ever say im a primary, secondary or tertiary?

I am something else.

>>10757455
Friend there are NUMEROUS printworks which reveal many facts about girls personalities.

>>10757458
What do you call little?
A cute dojin then suddenly Pache takes off one shoE and her naked feet is seen. OH NOEZ MA PACHE BE RUIND. sorry but that is stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757442

To be honest, I'm not talking about a touhou

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757460
True, but like >>10757461 mentioned, Patchouli is a horrible example for a character without personality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757461
Yuugi, Rumia, Meiling, Murasa, Nue, Momiji, Aki sisters, Flandre... At least 75% of touhous, I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757462
>Friend there are NUMEROUS printworks which reveal many facts about girls personalities.
Well thats a big lie.

[Anonymous No.]

Fan pairings get me riled up, because the only OTP is me and my waifu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757463
So your waifu had personality from the very beginning? My bad then.

[Blaze !!f3qgRrpHNAR No.]

>>10757458
One other thing.
Are you saying that no one should read dojins and other derivative works because that automagically makes them subhuman scum?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757472

It's alright, I can understand why'd you think that. We are talking about touhous after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757465
>Patchouli is a horrible example for a character without personality.
Actually, OP was talking about body constitution. PAD meme, anyone? Sakuya was flat in one canon game and busty in the other => and there we go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757467
People can argue that ZUN come up with a book describing them
>>10757474
woah wtf bud did anyone even said that?

[Anonymous No.]

They can look like whatever you want. That's the beauty of the imagination.

This is what touhous look like to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757467
A full list of Windows-era Touhou Project characters that have:

One or less characterizing appearances:
Koakuma, Daiyousei, Tokiko, Shizuha, Momiji

Two or less characterizing appearances:
Lily, Medicine, Yuuka, Eiki, Minoriko, Hina, Iku, Tenshi, Kisume, Yamame, Parsee, Yuugi, Satori, Orin, Koishi (LOL SA CAST,) Nazrin, Murasa, Shou, Byakuren (she has a major part though in SoPM so this doesn't really count,) Hatate, Kyouko, Yoshika, Tojiko, Futo, Miko (see Byakuren,) Toyohime, Yorihime

Three or less characterizing appearances:
Rumia, Meiling, Flandre, Merlin, Lunasa, Wriggle, Keine, Shizuha Aki, Utsuho, Kogasa, Ichirin/Unzan, Nue, Seiga

This is not even half. Some cameo appearances excluded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757483
Can you even fap to them?
If not, what do you fap to and what do they look like to you?

[Anonymous No.]

Laws and rules are vital for stability.
Clarification is necessary in all things to provide clarity.
Without stability the established state descends into chaos.
Chaos is an undesirable state.

ZUN must clarify all details or chaos and anarchy is inevitable. We must have stability. We must demand clarification. We must demand all details to be fully described and canonized to ensure long-term stability.

Stability is desirable. Chaos is undesirable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757485
Actually, Meiling and Rumia needed to be upgraded to 4 but since their EoSD dialogue profile were rather anemic I'll leave them there for now.

The more obvious mistake is that Shizuha shouldn't be in category three.

[Blaze !!f3qgRrpHNAR No.]

>>10757480
Thank god that no one said it in this thread.
But I have seen it many times.
The so called "Primaries" bashing dojin works.

I have a question.
Who thought it was a good idea to start grouping Touhou fans in two/three groups?
Because this primary/secondary bullshit is geeting out of hands.
When many people pretend to be all knowing, but in fact are just stupid meme spouting idiots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757600
If you're asking if a council of people got together and decreed that all Touhou should be divided into three groups, that didn't happen.

People came up with the word "secondary" to describe people who consumed secondary creations without respecting the original work. That's the heart of it. Reapplication and redefinition of the term and everything else came later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757600
You can make a lot more groups if you want for extra fun. Like Purists, who hate everything Touhou related that isn't part of Touhou canon or TRUpurists who hate everything that wasn't done by ZUN alone, which includes the fighting games and all the manga/books.

[Blaze !!f3qgRrpHNAR No.]

>>10757609
I seriously laughed at that.
But you are right.

I have seen so many bullshit talking idiots among Touhou fans in all these years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757609
I have half a mind to make a shitty online quiz titled "What kind of a Touhou Project fan are you?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757600
>Who thought it was a good idea to start grouping Touhou fans in two/three groups?

A troll on /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757622
If you won't, I will.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757630
I've started, but I'm both lazy and busy, so you might have to wait a week or two.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757398
I'm also waiting for a day OP is not a fag.
>>10757476
We were talking about fandom in general.
>>10757485
I think number of appearance means a lot, but not everything.
>>10757494
I like your style brah
>>10757600
You look a lot like pretending to be all knowing too trippy.
>>10757622
If it more fun that touhou sorting I'm in.

[Anonymous No.]

>How do fan artists decide whether a character is fat or thin?

they just decide it, sperglord

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757341
>anorexic supermodel Patchy

I have this feeling you're pretty chubby

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757700
Play along anon. If OP ask you gotta think seriously and answer. Damn, at least call him a faggot, ask him to go die, anything.

Ignoring a thread entirely is a crime. It's something like:
>Which 2hu wud yu fuck?
>You can't they are not real.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757708
But if someone asks about fugging toohoos, he does need to be ignored, for the sake of /jp/'s collective sanity.

[Anonymous No.]

The whole argument is just as gay as the Pokemon fact autists VS headcanonfags one. A true fan appreciates both versions, and is not so autistic that he cannot seperate the to. There's the source material, which is always true and is what happened, and then there's fanon or headcanons which are not true to everyone else, but are true to you. As long as you don't go around claiming anything fan-derived is true to everybody and overides what the creator intended, there's no problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757716
Anon, please tell me one thing.

What is a "headcanon"?
Does it not imply putting one's own wishful thinking higher than the original work?
Why would anyone using that term ever be treated seriously.

Okay, that's three things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757728
A headcanon is what an individual believes to be true about Touhou Project that has not been explicitly confirmed or denied in canon.

Not necessarily.

Because it's a term that has some uses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757728

Headcanon - Something you hold to be true in your head, most commonly with rpg's, since they often have open endings that do not follow into the next game or plot holes, and because many of the protagonists are intended to have their character filled in by you EXAMPLE you could believe Reimu is in love with Marisa, but still acknowledge this has never been confirmed in canon, or that Ghetsis was attacked by a Hydreigon hence his injuries, but still acknowledge this has not been confirmed in canon. This kind of thinking is age old, and is common among fans of classic literature.

>Does it not imply putting one's own wishful thinking higher than the original work?

No, because you still acknowledge the official canon as the truth, and what you think as derived or speculation, or just a separate canon altogether.

>Why would anyone using that term ever be treated seriously.

OK, let me explain.

Head - As in "in your mind, or, what you think".

Canon- " A sequence of events."

Put them together and you have a convenient term that does what it says on the tin. We could call it a Warblflarful if you would like, or perhaps a Nogin Story? It doesn't what its called, it matters what it is.

[Anonymous No.]

2hu is about cute girls.

Only spergmasters like the games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757760
BURN THE HERETIC

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757485
So? "Two or less characterizing appearances" = personality? I don't think so jim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757749
>Canon- " A sequence of events."

You see, the problem is, that's not what "canon" means.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/canon
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/canon
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/canon

Canon is, by definition, something established, official and/or generally accepted. By the same definition, you cannot have your own personal canon (without appearing extremely pretentious).

Besides, there's already a perfectly fine term for what you try to describe. "Speculation".

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757767

Why do you hate fun? I play the games and enjoy the fan shit, you're a fag or a full on autist if you don't.

Even Zun enjoys fan shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757767
The difference between "headcanon" and mere speculation is that people believe their headcanon to be what actually happened. If you insist that the term is idiotic, mentally filter it to "what I believe is."

>>10757768
No, what I pointed out is that most characters have more than three characterizing appearances. I said nothing about whether or not the characters I listed were well-characterized.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757760
Exactly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757772
>No, what I pointed out is that most characters have more than three characterizing appearances.
So? Mere appearances mean literally nothing.

Well, except some retarded "so momoji has no ears?!" discussion...

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757776
I said "characterizing appearances." I specifically said I was leaving out cameo appearances which demonstrate nothing, or else Momiji would be listed as "five appearances" instead of "one appearance." Which has to be revised up to two, actually, since I forgot she had a SoPM article.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757772
>is that people believe their headcanon to be what actually happened

Sounds like "fanon" to me. One could even make it "headfanon" if it's meant to describe one's own personal convictions.

>If you insist that the term is idiotic, mentally filter it to "what I believe is."

I was already doing just that, I just wondered if there was some meaning behind it that I was possibly missing. I guess not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757776
He was obviously not counting cameos and dialogue-less appearances, otherwise there'd be only Tokiko on his list.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757784

The term is most widely used on /vp/, of course there's no meaning behind it. Its just useful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757784
"Headfanon" is probably a more accurate term.

[Anonymous No.]

Jp is already making their own slang.
They grow up so fast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757708
>Ignoring a thread entirely is the only proper action.
/jp/ would never survive in the early (03-04) days of 4chan.

[Anonymous No.]

Wow OP is a retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>Which mean we could say that all doujin featuring half naked Patchy is NOT canon

No shit, the word doujin pretty much implies that it is not canon.
A artist can try to make a doujin with characters and stories as close as possible to canon, that doesn't means that it is canon though.
To be canon something needs ZUNs official approval.

Now, who says that a doujin has to be canon, and how is that a argument for secondaries?
Do you even know what a secondary is?

[Anonymous No.]

Patchouli is my favourite character but in terms of fan content she has the worst fetish appeals.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757983
>No shit, the word doujin pretty much implies that it is not canon.

Doujinshi aren't necessarily derivative works. People sell doujinshi with original characters and settings all the time. In fact, some of the official Touhou manga are doujinshi because they were self-published and not serialized in a magazine (I forget which ones).

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757992
I know, but I assumed that we are talking about touhou doujins not made or approved by ZUN here.
Sorry for the misunderstanding

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757992
Manga? None, AFAIR. I think one or two of CoLA chapters were originally released in a doujin compilation, but don't quote me on that.

The games, however, are all 100% doujin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757983
>doujin
Do you have any idea how stupid you sound?

同人
literary group (coterie); same person; said person; clique; fraternity; kindred spirits; comradel colleague

[Anonymous No.]

What I hate about most fans (I'm not gonna say secondaries since primaries do this too) is that they have no respect for ZUNs work.
Sure, touhou offers alot of freedom for speculation due to barebone characterizations, but many people believ that this gives them the right to make up whatever shit they want while seriously believing that their character is better than ZUNs original, even if it outrights objects the little bit of information we have

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758032
Read >>10757994

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758032
We all know he, and most of the time people mentioned doujin in this thread, it can refers to doujinSHI (the book itself), doujin artist, or even group of doujin artists (that means more than one person).
But that DEPENDS ON CONTEXT, so read the whole reply pls.

Debating the meaning now sounds more stupid dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758033
Some people have this weird idea that Touhou actually belogs to the fans and not ZUN, simply because there is lots of fanon material.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758044
A group of people being stupid doesn't make it any less stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758051
Well of course it belongs to Zun legally, but Zun prosper thanks to fan. So some stupid fans kinda mess that up I guess.
Internet is not internet without ungrateful dumb people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758044
"Doujin" means a group of people.

Star Wars isn't "a gaijin".

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757341
We have seen Patchouli in her swimsuit a long long time ago and she was flat as a board and not much taller than Remilia.

Fucking secondary.

[proREMIRIAt Elite Force Commander !rSDMROXTB. No.]

Like how in some works some characters have a tail, and in others they don't?. Official works never cared about such minor things.

What is important is the role of the characters. And don't forget that canon accepted some fan-made things, like Patchy's dress having stripes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758245
She wears stripes in Immaterial and Missing Power, which ZUN directly designed.

>>10758179
Pic?

[proREMIRIAt Elite Force Commander !rSDMROXTB. No.]

>>10758309
"Apparently, her dress looks like it has stripes of purple and violet. But according to ZUN, it is in fact not a stripe. This was confirmed in a talk of him and Twilight Frontier. In this talk it says that even though they had acknowledged it by a material handed by ZUN, she ended up having a striped pattern in Immaterial and Missing Power for some reason. A conversation quoted from the talk: ZUN "Patchouli doesn't have any stripes." TF staff "Everybody thinks Patchouli has stripes except ZUN-san."

[Anonymous No.]

lol you fags are just as bad as /vp/. You act all high and mighty, but in reality its the same shitposts, just more polished.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758309
That (and the rest of the chapter) is the only time canon shows Patchouli in a swimsuit and, to be frank, I'm not really sure what exactly he's seeing there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758339
That whole Patchouli doesn't have any stripes thing is so stupid. I just want to believe it's some japanese humor that only a drunken japanese man can understand.

[proREMIRIAt Elite Force Commander !rSDMROXTB. No.]

>>10758352
Now now, who's being secondary?.

He may have sent reference material to TF, but ZUN has showed a lack of interest in doing "proof-reading" in his works.

So it is his fault that striped Patchy became canon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758339
You know that's a machine translation of a secondary (not that kind of secondary) source, right? If you read the original Japanese that line comes from, it says Patchouli's original rough draft for the game's design didn't have stripe.
en.touhouwiki should always be taken with a handful of salt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758410
There is nothing secondary in believing that ZUN is joking about Patchouli having no stripes when he himself draws her with stripes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758410
>Now now, who's being secondary?.
Forget it. You're a douche, after all. So much for your prior speech about raising the board's quality.

goofeberries certreu

[proREMIRIAt Elite Force Commander !rSDMROXTB. No.]

>>10758421
A single playful remark makes me a douche?.

You know I don't care about people being secondary or not, as long as they enjoy the games and don't bother others forcing their opinions on them.

>>10758420
He said they were "reflections".

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758414
link to original please

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758432
That wasn't funny.

No seriously, it wasn't and made you look like an idiot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758345

Patchouli seems to be fond of vintage 50s swimsuits.

That's cute.

[proREMIRIAt Elite Force Commander !rSDMROXTB. No.]

>>10758438
I never intended to insult anyone. It's difficult to convey how you say things via text.

Forgive me, I'll never do it again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10757369
what the FUCK did this FAGGOT just say

how am i supposed to understand this

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758508
also how in the fucking world is OP's argument against secondary haters

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758433
His quote: http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Patchouli_Knowledge#Design
Which is a bad translation of: http://dic.pixiv.net/a/パチュリー・ノーレッジ#h3_3
Which is a rewrite of: http://www.toho-motoneta.net/index.php?%A5%D1%A5%C1%A5%E5%A5%EA%A1%BC%A1%A6%A5%CE%A1%BC%A5%EC%A5%C3%A5%B8#w25f0ddc

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758529
His whole post is a reason to dislike secondaries even more

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758570
Thanks. The lower one does go into more detail about stripes even.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758570
Not that guy, but thanks. I read the Pixiv dictionary link before, but that third one is new to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758570
Someone really needs to translate all the soundtrack comments. They're not even on the English Wiki:
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Immaterial_and_Missing_Power_OST#Comment

If someone can paste them here, I'll see if I can translate them.

[Anonymous No.]

why come theres no meaty cow tit p*rn of chen

considerable your argument GONE

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758576
No just filthy Patchy loving secondaries, the most secondary fanbase.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758695
http://gelbooru.com/?page=post&s=list&tags=chen+huge_breasts
http://gelbooru.com/?page=post&s=list&tags=chen+large_breasts

There used to be an oppai_loli tag but >gelbooru

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758570
That's some cool dedication anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758681
Managed to find a seedless torrent with scans. The text files don't have transcriptions so here are the images.

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>>10758787

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>>10758793

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>>10758796

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>>10758799

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>>10758802

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>>10758807

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>>10758809

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>>10758339
What source are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758816
Godspeed, anon.

>>10758726
Why, thank you.

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>>10758799
>>10758802
>Hoppy composer
>Master curry

the fuck are those?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758681
I'm having a hard time even finding comments about the IAMP OST on the japanese wiki. Just look at Luna Dial. It quotes stuff like the music comments from EOSD but only mentions the night disc of IAMP at the very bottom under appearances. Even the IAMP page essentially just links to the Luna Dial page in the OST section.


http://www.toho-motoneta.net/index.php?%C5%EC%CA%FD%B9%C8%CB%E2%B6%BF%2F%A2%F6%B7%EE%BB%FE%B7%D7%A1%A1%A1%C1%20%A5%EB%A5%CA%A1%A6%A5%C0%A5%A4%A5%A2%A5%EB

[proREMIRIAt Elite Force Commander !rSDMROXTB. No.]

>>10758414
>>10758570
But that's my point.

ZUN designed her dress to not have any stripes, but in the end she ended having them, becoming permanent in the subsequent games, and in fandom.

Because of his lack of interest at checking the progress of the game?, or because when he noticed it was too late and decided to left it as it was?, I don't know.

But it seems her dress doesn't have any stripes on HM. Not that I'm implying she only have one dress.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758179
Canon swimsuit? Where the fuck is that.

>>10758529
>>10758576
>>10758699
Condense your post samefag

[Anonymous No.]

>>10762550
They have an indoor pool in a final chapter of SSiB. But don't expect much, especially from Patchouli.

[Anonymous No.]

God damn I wish a better artist had had this one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10758179
Not ZUNart. Also, they're so far from the "camera" on that page that they've been given chibi features (ie: stick arms). I don't think you could go on that alone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10762640
Not zunart but Silent Sinner was canon enough