/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Why does she say this? It implies that there is some other place where they would speak a language other than Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

No, it implies people in Gensokyo speak Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

Touhou takes place in the future where Japan has already become a state and has adopted American as their national language.
Gensokyo is where outdated beliefs and old concepts go, such as the Japanese language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491357
No what I mean is that it implies they sometimes speak a different language when they go somewhere else.

Like if we were both in France and I started speaking Flemish to you. You might say "speak French, we're in France." I had just returned from Belgium so I was still speaking Flemish.

But Reimu has never left Gensokyo, right?

[Anonymous No.]

Subliminal message to encourage you to stop being an English-only pleb

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>>10491364
Reimu has left Gensokyo, she defends the barrier. Read up on the canon before questioning it.

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>>10491364
>Like if we were both in France and I started speaking Flemish to you. You might say "speak French, we're in France."

no dude i would say "parle francais quand we're in france no toki"

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>>10491364
Wasn't the joke that she was speaking nonsense before that?

Like when you say "speak English!" to someone.

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>>10491364
Reimu browses /jp/ and gets used to talking in English and slowly forgets her native language like most foreigners on 4chan.

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>>10491364
It's more of a "I don't understand what you are saying." thing. Like when Person A speaks highly technical and Person B doesn't understand anything. Person B might say something like "In English please?" in response.

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>>10491376
I don't think so, because she added "we're in Gensokyo"

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>>10491381
It's pretty common for someone to say "We're in America, speak english"

[Anonymous No.]

/jp/ CHALLENGE: find a line of dialogue we have not discussed yet, take a screenshot, and make a thread about it.

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>>10491393
Let's discuss how delicious Marisa is.

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>>10491393
If she put's so much time into her odor, then why does she always air out her stinky feet everywhere? Go to K-Mart and buy a $5 pair of shoes lady.

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>>10491399
Feet only get stinky due to being kept inside shoes. Give yours some fresh air and smell the odor disappear.

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>>10491393
I always liked this one.

[proREMIRIAt Elite Force Commander !rSDMROXTB. No.]

Or maybe she just is scolding Marisa for using these weird words she read on an English book.

>>10491393
There are lots of lines of dialogue that have not been discussed. And we've even argued over mistranslations too.

Now, the question is if it's worth arguing over the remaining lines.

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>>10491395
9 out of 10 tentacle monsters agree, Marisa is really tasty.

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>>10491446
There's no way that's what it really says

The IN translation has always bothered me

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491487
>Why the stuttering?
>Just yell at her like you always do.

>"You're in the way, get out of the way!"
>Like that.

That's the current wiki translation.

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>>10491493
>You're in the way, get out of the way!
That sounds dumb.

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>>10491502
Which is why I like the ``flawed'' english translation.

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>>10491502
At least it's still in English.

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>>10491493
Just checked the wikia too. The wikia translation is actually 100% the same text as the picture.

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>>10491386
But hardly anyone speaks English in America.

[Anonymous No.]

>playing 2hu translated
lolwat, no one read the texts

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>>10491395
I bet she tastes like salty milk and coins.

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>>10491526
Is this what they call ``ironic shitposting''?

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>>10491526
hu u qt

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>>10491530
Yes. Please no reply,

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>>10491463
I never realized Marisa had armpits. I bet they feel great too.

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>>10491517

Well that's because that's the wikia, which is a complete shithole and should not be regarded for any kind of information at all.

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>>10491559
After all the edits by non-English speakers that's been happening on the touhouwiki, wikia keeping old translations available is a godsend.

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>>10491617

Could you provide some examples of some translations that have gotten screwed up?

I find it hard to believe that they'd be so bad that keeping "bitch get out of the way" around is actually a good thing.

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>>10491629
"Bitch get out of the way" is an excellent example of what tvtropes calls a Woolseyism. It's not literally correct, but it does a much better job for that scene than the current touhouwiki version (which I cannot paste here because touhouwiki is down for me now).

Translators should worry about preserving meaning, and that scene loses a lot of meaning if you simply translate it word by word. The normal japanese voice is polite. For girls, the politeness is coupled with a lot of feminine/cute forms. What Alice wants Marisa to say is an order, which is much more jarring in Japanese than in English. Adding a "bitch" there makes that scene work as intended (it's supposed to be comedy, because Alice and Marisa together are constantly poking each other). With the current translation, it's just another meh moment.

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>>10492146
2hus don't curse

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>>10492146
>tvtropes calls a Woolseyism

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>>10492146
Take your tvtropes fansub ideology back to /a/.

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>>10492163
>>10492175
>>10492180
Yeah, exactly. Go fuck yourselves.

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>>10492186
Thank you for bumping the thread with your insightful post.

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>>10491629
There was a lengthy thread about the EOSD translation some time ago. Some people from /jp/ actually started to fix parts of it during the thread. Someone also made a thread about it on pooshlmer, but that thread just resulted in pooshlmer fighting among itself for some reason.

Many parts of it were originally translated in a really strange way, basically trying to use japanese grammar and sentence structure in english, which resulted in dialogue that sounded way too unnatural. Seriously, no one would ever have talked that way.

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>>10492146
You don't "preserve meaning" by adding unnecessary word. "bitch" just makes them sound like hoodrats. It's trashy and unacceptable.

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>>10492194
>>10492195
No, seriously. You retards keep your hivemind and keep "fixing" things. I hope touhouwiki next decides to keep titles and honorifics untranslated, because true fans should know what ojou-sama means.

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>>10492212
Why are you still in /jp/?

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>>10492212
You're making an argument for the old translation being better. While I despise touhouwiki, I know where to draw the line. Saying "bitch get out of the way" is the best translation and then using jargon from an even worse site to support those claims is where I draw mine.

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>>10492205
It's Marisa, though.

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>>10492212
While I despise all those people posting reaction images, you're just as much at fault by responding to them, especially in the angry way you do. Chill.

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>>10492251
Even with the perspective, that gun is really long.

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>>10492263
Like in Dick Tracy, the length of your barrel indicates how high up you are in the organization.

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>>10491458
Why is Cirno throwing up a gang sign?

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>>10492299
Ha!

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>>10492212
There was a guy who wanted to change the wiki so that 亡霊 would not be translated because only by saying bourei can you convey the true meaning that ZUN-sama intended for the word. This was quickly shot down though.

I forgot that guy's name but he apparently tried to do other stuff just like that. He keeps getting mentioned in almost every wiki related thread on pooshlmer.

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>>10492306
>There was a guy who wanted to change the wiki so that 亡霊 would not be translated because only by saying bourei can you convey the true meaning that ZUN-sama intended for the word.

But..isn't that just...like a ghost?

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>>10491351
>日本語を話せ。
>ここは幻想郷だ。

It implies nothing in the original text.
Translations aren't canon.

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>>10492225
I'm not going anywhere, normative fag. Feel free to use all your get out of jp pics or to create more.

>>10492228
I'd like to see a better translation. Touhouwiki's current literal translation is bad. If people take offense at bitch (see below), then I'd settle for a "Get out of the way, dumbass." or something PG-13 like that.

>>10492251
Yep. ZE is really rude and inapropriate for a girl to say. I'm still to see any decent attempt to create "Marisa speech" in English. There was a really old hard translated comic in danbooru that made her finish her sentences with "yo!". While I didn't like that, it's still the best attempt I saw so far.

Usually Dead created a speech impedment for Marisa, so that she was literally saying "ze" in the end of english sentences, which was a complete disgrace.

>>10492260
I take offense at bland or idiotic translations because they're a sure way to make a make touhou less interesting to new people, specially at what should be our main wiki.

>>10492274
hood rats, man. hood rats everywhere.

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>>10492314
It's some guy trying to be some sort of purist. It's so pointless that even the Touhouwiki guys realized that.

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>>10492330
>>10492336
What are you still doing here?

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>>10492338
What do you mean? Do you want 亡霊 to not be translated? Are you the guy i'm talking about?

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>>10492338
If you dislike his posts, then ignore him. Continuing a conversation with him won't make him go away.

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>>10492344
>>10492306
yeah, I remember this retard, too. I'm glad saner minds prevailed at least in this case, and kept 亡霊 as ghost and 幽霊 as phantom.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone have the screencap of Ran calling Sakuya a dog? That's my favorite.

[Anonymous No.]

Is the wiki down again?

[Anonymous No.]

remember youmu is half-phantom now :)
yuurei means phantom :)
we write touhou canon :)

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>>10492406
It would explain where all this shit nobody cares about is coming from, actually.

>>10492344
>>10492387
I propose we change youkai to demon. It makes absolutely no sense that we keep using this term when there's a western equivalent. I also propose we change shikigami to mystic servant.

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>>10492419
>>10492415
I agree. Sticking with japanese terms is just die-hard weeabooism. Let's keep that autism outside of touhou.

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>>10492419
I'm actually in favour of a change in terms. It does make no sense that we stick to youkai. Oni is understandable, but youkai isn't. Do we call faeries yousei? Hint: we don't.

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>>10492424
> Let's keep that autism outside of touhou
Oh dear

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>>10492426
Oni can be translated to ogre, please don't be such a weeaboo.

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>>10492426
What would you translate youkai to? Monster would be a decent choice, but there has to be something better.

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>>10492419
It's the Wikipedia translation style. Anything that can be found on the English Wikipedia with it's japanese name will not be translated, like Youkai or Shikigami and everything that can not be found will be translated.

Though even that's seems to be only partialy the case in this one, because you can find Yōsei.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know who is trolling who anymore. I'll just be the voice of reason and state that localization is bullshit and you should keep that shit in your american anime fansubs for con-goers to watch.

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>>10492437
Oni are demons though

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>>10492455
Yeah man, true Touhou zeronaries (above primaries) play Touhou in Japanese. Forget the fact that it uses some pretty dated language and archaic kanji, I've read all of Genki and Tae Kim's guide, so I'll just take everyone's word for it that this game has clever jokes and references and stuff.

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>>10492419
The word demon isn't appropriate because it has outworldly and religious connotations, while youkai are earthly beings that can even work for the gods. In touhou, demons/devils are a kind of youkai. So I'd not hard to translate.

I'm all for using the stablished terms. For example, if Lafcadio Hearn had initially translated kappa as "water goblins" or "japanese duckturtles" then I'd be for calling them that. But he didn't did so, so today it's "correct" to use Tengu, Kappa, Oni and so.

But I'd translate Shikigami as "familiar" without a second thought. Because that's what they are.

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>>10492455
I am beyond impressed they took me seriously.

In the end, any community that gets it's laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe they are in good company.

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>>10492467
>it's laughs

Ironic grammer mistakes are still grammer mistakes.

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>>10492466
>japanese duckturtles
Oh what could have been.

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>>10492467
Keep in mind these people are probably those who translate danbooru comics. In the end they'll influence what the future newcomers to touhou will use in their lexicon.

I can't wait. I'm sort of a masochist though.

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>>10492472
>grammer
Ironic spelling mistakes are still spelling mistakes.

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>>10492479
>these people are probably those who translate danbooru comics
They're keepin up a good job, fuck you bitch ass nyuga.

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>>10492479
What makes you think we'll have to deal with any of that?

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>>10492330
>they're a sure way to make a make touhou less interesting to new people
Isn't that what we want here?

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>>10492487
Eventually they'll find their way to /jp/. We already get 17-year-old twitter-spamming whores here.

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>>10492460
Yes, Japanese ogres live in hell, or former hell in Touhou.

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>>10492330
>specially at what should be our main wiki.

Why can't I hold all this entitlement?

[Anonymous No.]

Are you people taking seriously the opinion and ideas of someone who considers "bitch get out of the way" a good translation? Or have you reached a layer of irony I can't grasp?

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>>10492460
If you want to go all the way, Oni in touhou should be translated as Titans. They're ancestral beings of chaotic disposition and huge strength that were cast aside by the gods and locked in the hells (every oni in touhou wears shackles to remember this). In another culture, this same kind of being is called Asura.

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>>10492510
"Bitch get out of the way" is a good translation, or at very least a /better/ translation than the neutered thing currently on touhouwiki. Dead serious here. It least try to capture the correct rudeness of what Alice wanted Marisa to say.

[Anonymous No.]

Let's translate it as "Get out of my way, I'm out of my face there!"

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>>10492574
Google-kun pls this is serious. The fate of the multiverse depends on it.

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>>10492274
Watch out man, she'll ice you.

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>>10492563

I think part of the problem is trying to portray the emotions and intent in English, when there is very little room to do so in the few chat blurbs we get.

If neither translation is any good then that just means someone needs to make a better one.

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>>10493215
What's wrong with "Bitch get outta the way"?

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>>10493218
Touhous are above swearing. It's simply out of character.

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>>10493218

It denotes a kind of crassness that clashes heavily with pretty much everything else ever written in the series? Yes Marisa is definitely not above being rude as hell sometimes but you can show that in other ways.

I'm not saying its a whole "B-BUT MY PURE MAIDENS" thing, it just sticks out like a sore thumb in a room full of thumbless lumber mill workers.

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>>10493246
>>10493249
But it is intended to be rough, no?

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>>10493253

Yes, but its still overdoes it a little.

If there were other examples of them talking like this it would be one thing, but this is pretty much it unless there's one random instance somewhere I can't remember.

[Anonymous No.]

"Take a hike!" or "Get lost!" or something is easily as rough as the original tone, and doesn't resort to swearing. I don't really like them, but just as examples it's still better than "bitch gtfo" and what's on there right now.

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>>10492146
> it's just another meh moment
Welcome to "ZUN is a writer here".