STG/Touhou

[Anonymous No.]

Old thread: >>10446815

Talk about Touhou and other STGs. Chat with fellow players, blog about your progress, plead for help on problematic spots, and so on.

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New challenges for this thread!

Scoring challenge: SA Normal Stage 5 Practice
1. Every shot-type is welcome
2. The run must be done within the thread, no old scores.
3. Either screenshots or replays will be required for posts with scores.

Special challenge: No-Vertical EoSD Normal and Lunatic
1. Tiebreaker on clears will be lives > score
2. Every shot-type is welcome.
3. The run must be done within the thread, no old scores.
4. Replays will be required for posts with submissions.

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Previous challenges winners:

Scoring challenge: IN Extra on shots other than Youmu
2,221,483,810 (Magic Team) >>10444242

Special challenge - MoF Normal No-Focus/No-Bombs
Clear, 2 extra lives >>10447474
(Runs using MarisaB tri-laser ignored)

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You have time for until this thread ends (i.e. it hits the bump limit).

Congratiulations to the winners, and thanks for participation, everyone.
Good luck.

[Anonymous No.]

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=26922

Tada
Behold my glorious UFO hard replay.
My stage 1-4 didn't turn out as flashy as I can usually do them (I did so bad at the ichirin and murasa fight in this one) but I still got to Murasa with at least 6 lives, which is usually my goal. Stage 5 destroys me in some places that it shouldn't have since I was pissed off at how the end of that Murasa fight turned out and thus couldn't concentrate too well. Shou wrecked me, nothing new there. She is the reason I stock lives on the first 4 stages because her difficulty is just flat out bullshit.
After the train wreck that is stage 5, I do stage 6 wrong, even with Sanae B which is quite pathetic considering one of the reasons I picked her was to help at areas such as that.

It's a good thing Byakuren is so easy though. I mean seriously, the only thing she's good at is hiding behind Shou.

Anyway, forgot to post some other replays of my first hard 1cc's for those that care.

TD
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=26923
Pretty difficult until I trance spammed for resources. Miko is still harder than Byakuren

and MoF
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=26924
Way too easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/

[Anonymous No.]

>>10483257
Fuck off, cunt.

[Anonymous No.]

>SA Normal Stage 5 Practice
80,338,550
Step on me, honey.

[Anonymous No.]

>SA Normal Stage 5 Practice
80,338,550
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=26926

Step on me, honey.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10483243
Pretty neet replay. You should try it on lunatic now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10483243
Pretty good. Now shoot for Lunatic mode. Shou won't go so easy on you on that mode. But at least the rest of the bosses are easy right? Go for No bombs vanilla 1cc!

[Anonymous No.]

Please stream, /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>10483212
Here is my score for SA.

[Anonymous No.]

stream plz

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/
>>>/vg/

[Anonymous No.]

>>10483243
>>10484278

[Anonymous No.]

Who are the best Western shmup players?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485016
it's hard to tell, most of the players that post good high scores cheat through save state practice & what not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485016
Godzilla is the best western player.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485035
What's the problem of using save-state to practice? The issue is when you use save states to get high scores. Save state practice is just a handy shortcut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485016
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=43895

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485016
Probably Jaimers

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485035
>>10485053
>Sasaki: So we should use the practice/simulations modes, then?

>NAL: Yeah, if you practice each stage, you'll naturally get better.

Note: LAOS and TAC do not disagree.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485045
Godzilla was challenged once by Chihaya and her magical sword

[Anonymous No.]

Iku is a giant!

[proREMIRIAt Elite Force Commander !rSDMROXTB. No.]

>>10485203
You haven't seen anything yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485053
Save states are a cheat device put into a hacked version of the game (MAME for example), it's a cheap way of quickly gaining fake skill without putting in the effort needed to actually learn the game.

>>10485096
Way to ignore the context, giving tips to new players & whats acceptable in the scoring community are very different things.

Note: most top players are against emulation in general. It can't be helped in the west due to lack of arcades, but that doesn't mean you have to cheat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485242
Mate... fake skill? What are you even talking about? This is dumb.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485256
You really can't think of a way to use save states to gain a higher score?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485263
Of course, using savestates to construct a full run and then posting that score is cheating. Using them to quickly practice something though is just an effective practice method.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485242
Constantly repeating the things you already know in order to learn the things you don't is a waste of time.

>>10485263
That is actual cheating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485256
Achieving something through cheating gives you real skill? mate this is dumb.

[Anonymous No.]

Using save states is for little sissy boys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485224
ZUN & Co. never thought someone would actually look at the boss sprites.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485294
You can read a book about an advanced subject. Understand about 90% of it but you want to understand it all.

Would it be better to only read the sections you don't understand or would you have to read the entire book over and over again until you understand everything?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485294
>Achieving something through cheating gives you real skill?
Of course achieving something doesn't grant you skills, skills are used to achieve stuff and skills are gained through practice.

Using save states to grind something over and over until you have it down isn't cheating. It is cheating if you use it for a real run obviously, but using the skills you gain from the practice you put in using save states to achieve a run is not.

I do, however, agree with >>10485306

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485314
Am I reading the book for score?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485342
Presumably you're practicing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485337
No STG has been made by a dev with a save state function, using a cheat device hacked into the game is cheating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485337
So what are you supposed to do? Repeat the same stage over and over even if you have to go through something that you already know how to solve? Isn't this just plain dumb?

[Anonymous No.]

My two cents: If you're using any sort of hack that the developer did not intend, it's cheating.

This does not include things like language patches or bug fixes. But things like adding a hitbox to EoSD or adding savestates are things that were never intended for that game, and so it's cheating.

[Anonymous No.]

Save-states are no different from the practice/training/simulation modes in console ports. Top scorers recommend using those modes because it's the fastest way to improve.

Of course it's cheating to submit a score that was achieved through the use of save-states, but that is not what we are discussing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485361
pure girls reach their goals non tool-assisted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485361
You get better at solving it, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485369
>>10485369
>>10485369
But if the game was not designed to allow the players to use save states, then using save states is cheating. You can't say "well game X lets you use savestates, so it's not cheating to use savestates in game Y".

If you're allowed to keep or switch out certain cards in Five Card Draw, should you be allowed to do the same in Texas Hold Em? No, because the second game isn't designed with in mind. It would be cheating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485379
>>10485306
post ur scores pls

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485393
You're only proving their points you know that right

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485385
Solving a puzzle that I know several times will get me better at solving puzzles? Isn't it just easier to buy a new one and keep trying until I can do it?

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>>10485361
If you can live with an anonymous stranger on the internet considering you a little sissy boy just go ahead and use save states.

>>10485352
It's simply a way of saving time. Going through an entire stage just to practice a few seconds is entirely inefficient and many of players don't want to do that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485396
I'm actually proving my point. Being shit at games and having low standards will lead you to say things like this: >>10485379 >>10485306

Being good at games - which is a result of using your time wisely - leads you to saying things like this: >>10485096

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485393
Not them but done without save state cheating (　＾ω＾)

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485393
Not them but done without save state cheating (　＾ω＾)

[Anonymous No.]

>/jp/ in charge of streaming
>ever

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485439
The person who made that score could have something even higher if he had used save states.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485460
Obviously, that's why it's called cheating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485460
I like STGs, why would I want to ruin my own fun by cheating?
also
>he
not quite

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485486
Sorry, I'm still not used to using "they" as a neutral-gender pronoun.

>>10485465
Not really. It's just not being dumb at the point of repeating the same patterns of a game just to reach another one that you're having difficulties with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485498
>It's just not being dumb at the point of repeating the same patterns of a game just to reach another one that you're having difficulties with.
You brung up scores in the last post, your arguments are seriously stupid. Also, practice stage, and the fact is that you're supposed to memorize all the patterns to begin with if you want to get good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485509
Do you need to keep repeating the same patterns that you already understand just to reach the one you don't understand? That's what I'm saying. Using a save state to practice that specific pattern is just using a shortcut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485439
Which version is this? If it's Special then that score is awful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485550
It's the original version. I'm not really interested in Special anymore, maybe in the future.

[Anonymous No.]

As for the flame war going on between pro- and con-savestate factions, I'll ask you to consider this.
If a function is in place that prevents you from outright winning, bypassing it is cheating.
If a function is in place that prevents you from getting better through actually working on it, bypassing it is a fix.

[Anonymous No.]

One of you programming wizards should just make an automatic gif maker program for us. That would make shit ez.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485655
Ye most def bro.

[Anonymous No.]

Did you know that top scorers credit feed? Arcade boards obviously don't have training modes or save-states (as it would be detrimental to their business), so players must resort to the next best thing: credit feeding so they can practice later stages and bosses.

They also use external hardware to record their gameplay. This helps them study patterns and come up with new strategies without actually playing.

What a bunch of cheaters! Icycalm told me that you should only play one credit at a time and never, ever continue!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485636
Sorry but >>10485352 already nailed it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485708
He didn't nail anything. Console ports of arcade shmups have training modes, which aren't much different from a save-state. And of course many console ports were done by the original developers.

Never mind games that were originally created for home platforms, like Touhou and every other doujin. Those have training modes too.

[Anonymous No.]

The STG thread seems like the only thread where you can assert anything, no matter how dumb, and people will seriously argue with you instead of leaving you to rot.

[Anonymous No.]

Guwange on the 360 has save-states btw.

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.twitch.tv/l3pik
Will stream in a bit if anyone wants to watch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485748
save states & stage practice are very different, ones cheap the other's cheating, some PCBs had stage select available through the test menu with adjustable rank/

[Anonymous No.]

hey guys I use save states in touhou to practice scoring deep into extra stages

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485816
Explain the difference between starting stage 4 with a save-state and starting stage 4 by choosing it from the training menu.

Or by starting at the final boss by loading a save-state vs. choosing it from a menu. Or by starting at a mid-boss by loading a save-state vs. selecting it from a menu. Etcetera.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485970
Practicing in a smart way is truly admirable. Keep up the good work!

[Anonymous No.]

Lunatic special challenge, died in Scarlet Gensokyo.

Once I did unintentional vertical movement as a reflex to dodge something during stage 5 (and I didn't feel like repeating the whole run because that), I used a bomb after that vertical movement.

replay: http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=26942

[Anonymous No.]

During imperishable night, the teams manipulate the passage of time in order to stall the night to prevent the sun from rising and the fake moon from setting.

Yukari and Reimu manipulate the border of night and day

Sakuya uses her luna dial

and Youmu seems to have some ability in slowing time, as demonstrated in her appearance during Perfect Cherry Blossom

But how do Marisa and Alice do it?? A friend suggested Alice used her spell ``Darkness Sign: Foggy London Dolls'' but that doesnt seem to fit exactly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10486275
Marisa just flies faster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10486275
Magic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485668
>Icycalm
Is that the guy that wrote a super=sperg book on shmups and why playing for score is dumb?
Oh man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10486310
he is the biggest poseur on the internet. due to his posturing however, he has amassed a legion of sheep that will follow his words without question.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10486355
Tell us how you really feel.

[Anonymous No.]

What are some hentai shmups? I want to download Yakouga 4 but can't find it anywhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10486868
sexy parodius

[Anonymous No.]

Please stream, /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>10486275
Marisa steals the passage of time.

>>10486868
Soreyuke Burunyanman Hardcore

[Anonymous No.]

>SA Normal Stage 5 Practice
85,446,630
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=26945

Where is my little lady?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10486043
Moving down to the bottom of the screen at the start of every stage is considered as vertical movement. You're not allowed to move down or up at all during the run.

[Anonymous No.]

Oh boy, Fairy Wars extra stage is crazy. I can barely reach Marisa but it's really funny. Unlike SA extra, which is difficult too but just annoying.

[Anonymous No.]

is using a hitbox cheating?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10488089
on eosd

[Anonymous No.]

is using a hitbox patch on eosd cheating?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10488122
wow

[Anonymous No.]

>>10488122
Definitely so

[Anonymous No.]

>>10488122
I'm using it and I'm not a cheater, so no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10488122
no, only save states are for cheater noobs

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485412
If you like something, you want to spend as much time with it as possible.
Is it wise to use save states to cut that time down?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485636
Convection sucks. Microwaves fixed cooking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485668
idiots: CREDIT FEED IS THE ONLY WAY TO PLAY
icycalm: it depends on the game and person
other idiots: ONE CREDIT IS THE ONLY WAY TO PLAY

[Anonymous No.]

>>10488371
how does icycalm not fall under idiot?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10488435
icycalm-sama is the saviour of the shooter

[Anonymous No.]

>>10488344
Take that, atheists!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10488344
Some people like multiple things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10488371
I like how you wrote the contradicting opinions in all caps. It clearly illustrates how every view apart from yours I mean icycalm's is based on anger and emotions, not rational reasoning. I bet they're SUBHUMANS too, huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10488730
That's just to emphasize how very calm he is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10488730
Didn't know the size of text had any relation to anger and emotions.

>>10488659
There is a way to enjoy multiple things without smashing them to pieces to squeeze through your colon. It's called having high taste.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10488883
But I enjoy them at a deeper level than you. It's called having skill.

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>>10488897
That's like saying you're a car expert because you saw this red car and you love the color red. There's this little thing called breadth that you have exactly none of. With it, I can enjoy things on just as 'deep' a level as you claim, ALONG WITH everything else, which lets me have a deeper deepness, if you will. So I'll be taking that word 'deep' back from you, now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10488883
Typing in all caps has been considered shouting for decades.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10488918
No. It's like saying I'm a car expert because I'm a mechanic. I'm fully aware of everything that's going on under the hood because I took the time to learn and study the vehicle's intricacies.

You think you're a car expert because you watch the Daytona 500.

Thanks for bringing in this analogy. It suits the situation perfectly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10489011
Of course you'd be a car expert, using such a narrow definition as that. Thanks for further proving my point. I'll be taking the word 'expert' from you, as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10489105
poor comeback dood

[Anonymous No.]

>>10489011
Not the person you are arguing with, but there is more to appreciating, enjoying and loving a game than simply knowing everything about its mechanics and being good at it. In fact, all you're doing is using the game as a tool to help you grasp at some false sense of superiority above others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10489188
Of course you don't have to be good at a game to appreciate, like, or even love it. If you think it's fun because it has nice graphics and good music, then that's your prerogative. That doesn't mean your opinion holds as much weight as someone who knows every detail about the game.

[Yui Hirasawa !GITAHxgCoo No.]

Shmup it easy!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10489330
Reported for using an avatar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10489240
>implying you can't have all of that at once

[Anonymous No.]

>>10489382
>hu u qt

[Anonymous No.]

>>10489240
Unsurprisingly, you would make this discussion out to be some silly matter of who's opinion matters more, rather than what it started out with (having a deeper sense of enjoyment). You seem to keep yourself willfully ignorant of the fact that there are people who are both able to enjoy these games for more than just being good at them, and still know a lot about them. So you keep yourself under the assumption that the people going against your point of view don't know much about the games and are bad at them. Someone who is able to learn and master the game because they love it truly does have a much deeper sense of appreciation than someone who "loves" the game because they know a lot about it/are good at it. Fortunately, only a few players I know fit in to the latter category.

In short:
>all you're doing is using the game as a tool to help you grasp at some false sense of superiority above others.
But hey, if that's what you derive your "deeper enjoyment" from, then by all means keep at it. I'm not here to stop you from having fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10489428
Uh, this was my point all along:
>Someone who is able to learn and master the game because they love it truly does have a much deeper sense of appreciation

The more you put into these games, the more [enjoyment] you get out of them. The same can be said for fighting games, RTS, and FPS...

What type of retard would sink tens/hundreds/thousands of hours into a game if they didn't enjoy it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10489506
This guy, apparently http://pastebin.com/deNZ6S1q

[Anonymous No.]

>>10486043
>>10487244
Well, 0 vertical movement this time, lost again in Scarlet Gensokyo anyway. I don't think I'll try this again for now.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=26951

[Anonymous No.]

Finally beat PCB normal using all my continues! It said bad ending 1 for using continues. Is there a bad ending 2? Probably, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10489755
Each playable character has her own bad ending.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10489768
I probably should've looked it up before asking w.
I feel great for managing to finish though.

[Anonymous No.]

twitchdottv/adamar09

UFO normal again I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10489755

>beat PCB

cool

>using all my continues

[Anonymous No.]

>>10490898

Everyone has to start somewhere. Don't be a bully.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10489755
>>10489774
>beat PCB normal
>using all my continues!
>I feel great for managing to finish

You really shouldn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10490989
see >>10490962

[Anonymous No.]

I have yet to get passed Patchoulie's stage and boss and Sakuya's stage and boss without using all of my continues.

I haven't gotten passed them at all yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10490999
see pic

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491057

[Anonymous No.]

I've started to be able to consistently 1cc lunatic in IN, and am looking to get into scoring. Is there anything I should be considering other than time orbs and point items? Is it worth trying to score before I can do NBND consistently? Lastly, is it generally better to almost time out spellcards to maximize time orbs, or to beat them quickly for the extra spell bonus?

[Anonymous No.]

Are you guys really defending a talentless bastard who uses continues to top it off?

/jp/ used to be higher than this, but not anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491287
stfu n00b

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491287
Who is defending? I am pretty sure no one was doing that.

If you are talking about >>10491007

Then that is just me stating my inadequacies for people to get pissed off at.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491255
You don't have to have a NMNB clear to be able to play for score. If you practice playing for score, you'll eventually find yourself trying to play under NMNB circumstances, since that's what most teams in this game require.

Remember to PoC as a human, you will get double value for every point item. When it comes to milking spellcards, that's for you to consider. If the spell card can net you a decent amount of time, then milk it for as long as possible. On the other hand, there is no point in dragging out a spell card if the time you get for clearing it quickly is more than what you can milk out manually. If that's the case, kill it quickly for a good bonus. Also, always consider the next attack when it comes to milking a spell card. You may sometimes want to be able to switch between human and youkai (like to quickly to collect the point items at double the full value and be set up for the next spell card), so killing it off a bit sooner will give you some extra time giving you that opportunity.

You can also consider sacrificing the spell bonus of certain cards if you can bomb as a youkai and use the post-bomb invincibility to stand on some bullet spawns to gain several thousand extra time. The only team that can make good abuse of this is Ghost Team, since Yuyuko's post-bomb invincibility is long.

More stuff: Don't forget to keep track of the familiar count. Kill the spell card off when there are a lot of familiars on screen; more time, more bullet cancels. Also, pay close attention to the stage portions. If you kill an enemy as soon as its bullets spawn, you will get more time from the high bullet cancel amount. Very subtle and nasty timing required on stages 2 and 3 for that, but a very big factor and can result in a difference of 10k time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491255
It depends a lot on charachter and difficulty. For example, Easy Reimu and Normal Yukari have completely different play.

You can start scoring before you're able to NMNB the game consistently, but some kind of consistency on the patterns should be useful. IN has rather static difficulty overall, so you'll be spending a lot of time (we're speaking of hundreds of hours) in spell and stage practice grinding consistency to make you fail a boss rather rarely. And Kaguya can still surprise you with bullshit RNG if she feels like it. Get some basic consistency down, but don't force your entire energy into consistency grind.

The easier strategy for spells is to shoot unfocused as a human. Start adding grazing techniques one by one.

Also keep in mind, when forming your own strategies for attacks, that you get more bonus timepoints from capturing an spell the faster you capture it.

Which difficulty and shot-type are you planning to score on, and what is your goal? If lunatic feels too brutal try the other modes. If full game feels too drastic lenght of consistency, try extra.

Your main goals at the start of scoring should be to collect as many items as possible, and to collect them at -80% value. Also, when playin as a human - don't destroy familiars on the stage 6 cash-in, since the less familiars you destroy, the more point-items you get from those fairies.
Then come spell bonuses. If you have deaths and/or bombs, try to keep them outside Spell Cards. A mistake during a spell is more drastic than a mistake outside one.
Third thing is timepoints and gaining up your Point-item Value. IN's value goes up really high (over 2M/item) if you know what to do.
The final thing is the ending bonus, IN (especially lunatic) has a huge one. Not only lives heighten it, but you also must capture all of Kaguya's Last Spells for maximal Night Bonus.

Good luck, I look forward to hearing of your progress!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491324
Thanks. I've already been keeping track of familiars, because I liked unlocking the last words so that I would have more continues back before I could 1cc. I wasn't aware that the bullet cancels also gave points.

>>10491437
Well, I'm certainly not playing easy. I'm planning to start on hard since the cards are more similar to the lunatic ones than the normal cards. I've only played through using border team (I haven't even unlocked the single characters...), so I'll probably stick with them.
Regarding goals, is it important to have a numerical goal? I was just sort of planning on experimenting with each spellcard one by one, trying a few strategies to maximize score and just sort of incrementally ratchet up my score until I got stuck.

Also, regarding both posts: I'm a bit confused about PoC point doubling. Does this happen whenever you collect them in human mode, and/or does it happen if you're past -80%? (For some reason, I thought you could be past 80% in either direction to get the bonus)

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491523
Numeric goal, not so much. I just wanted to make sure that you're not starting from a really high number. It's easier to take several small steps than to make one huge leap.

Item values are doubled only when you collect them beyond -80% of human side on your human-youkai gauge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491287

Shut up. I am >>10490898 but I was only joking around. You sound like an actual raging bully and you should go take a break from the computer screen to calm down a bit before you post here again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491523
Doubling only happens when you're below -80% (-30% for Youmu), regardless of the character/team you're playing. Obviously, solo Youkai get no doubling whatsoever, which is half of the reason why the scores for solo Youkai are so low. PoC at anything else is just your regular point item value.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491539
but I don't need to be unfocused at the time, right?

Also, I'm confused by one line of your post that I missed earlier.
>The easier strategy for spells is to shoot unfocused as a human
Does this mean that it's the easiest way to clear them? Easiest way to get a lot of time? I've been mostly doing all of the bosses 100% focus mode for survival thus far.

[Anonymous No.]

sorry, I'm forgetting to sage my posts

[Anonymous No.]

I'm going to start making an STG with Unity to teach myself some C#. Not sure how danmaku it will be, but I do like pretty shot patterns.

Any weird or not much seen mechanics you would like to see in a shmup?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491548
You don't have to be unfocused at the time of collect. Only your meter has to be at -80/-30% or below.

[Anonymous No.]

Special Normal
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=26958

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491580
all sprites have to be naked little girls

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491580
Make it 4D, that should be exciting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491600

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491580
make it like ikaruga, the polarity mechanic is very rare

[Yui Hirasawa !GITAHxgCoo No.]

>>10491580
Built-in save states.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491580
stage 1 counterstop

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491580
Invisible bullets. Lots of them in annoying places.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491548
You gain time from damaging bosses once you are beyond -80% human on your human-youkai gauge. Obviously, it's easier to dodge when focused, but you can gain some points from using unfocused damage on attacks you don't want to graze and can dodge without danger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491287
Am I not allowed to post an accomplishment? I'm not good enough to 1cc yet. Now that I've managed to complete the game, I can practice stages individually, especially Yuyuko's cards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491802
You're not allowed to post on /jp/ unless you beat UFO lunatic using Marisa B without losing a single life and without using a single bomb.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491807
Okay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491807
lel

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491807
but ufo is a bad game

[Anonymous No.]

so, why UFO? clearing PoDD with pretty much every not-overpowered character is definitely much harder than doing a UFO lunatic 1cc, even if you are playing MarisaB. do elaborate it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491807
survival play is for casual scrubs

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491839
Because no one cares about the VS shooters, so no one will marvel at your achievement.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>10491855
then, what about SoEW? really, UFO may be difficult, but still far from the worst touhou has to offer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491905
You can also play pacifist EOSD ultra mode hack + increased fps without bombing or dying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491933
you play easy mode don't you?

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to fast forward replays in EoSD?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10492056
press ctrl. it will play the replay at 240 fps then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10491802
stop struggling with normal, it isn't hard at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10492056
install the vpatch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10492086
I know it isn't hard, it's just that I'm not very good at it.

[Anonymous No.]

Please stream /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

Special Normal
2nd attempt probably won't play again

[Anonymous No.]

Darn. I still owe /jp/ a picture of me in a skirt, after getting 25 views on my live stream and all. I am a man of my word. Just, when should it happen?

[Anonymous No.]

Oh, and I am also streaming the special challenge.
livestream.com/touhougameplay

[Anonymous No.]

>>10493381
Hey, I've posted me in a skirt to /jp/ before, where's my 25 stream views? Most I ever got was like 16 I think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10493455
Were you streaming? I don't know how you expect it to help if you weren't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10493460
But how would people see it while I'm streaming? I don't usually have a camera on me while I'm playing Touhou, of course.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10493465
You should have asked for viewers if you wanted them. You're now complaining, after the fact, and you're not even streaming or doing anything to fix it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10493466
Man, I was just kidding about it anyways, it's really not that big a deal...

[Anonymous No.]

>>10493468
No, go ahead and stream. You've already made a thing of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10493470
I didn't make it a thing, I just made a single-line post in a joking manner. You're the one who made it a thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10493477
So now you're going to shift the blame onto me? How about you prove your claim? Where is the skirt at?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10493480
I don't see why this is such an issue, I can show a picture of it of course but isn't this rather off-topic?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10493494
Whoa, I could've sworn I removed the picture from the post. Oh well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10493500
Oh, I remember you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10493466
autism

[Anonymous No.]

Did anyone get Ginga Force? It looks absolutely terrible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10493836
No, it looked terrible so I passed, I'm more interested in that new gothic themed one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10493957
I dunno, MOSS kinda sucks too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10493962
They suck at making scoring systems, but the games are fun to try and clear as like a break from your main game(s), or that's how I look at them at least.

[Anonymous No.]

Stream please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10494094
drmdrfdr pls strm

[Anonymous No.]

>>10494112
This message is brought to you by godzilla incorporated

[Anonymous No.]

What's the most effective way to play MarisaA in Mountain of Faith?
I have no trouble with any other shot type except this one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10495406
The most effective way is to pick a better shot type.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10495456
I've 1CC'd with all the other shot types already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10495478
Well i don't remember the shot very well since I don't like using it but the stars trail you as you move about unfocused. Being focused locks the stars into the position they were in relative to your character.

You probably know this already :) So what I did when i played her shot for the story was to just let the stars do their thing in the stages and then gather them all up on me, then focus during the bosses.

If you are having trouble with the stages, try using the type a bit in practice until you find a route that allows you to use her well. Alternatively you may look at the WR runs from royaflare to get some tips

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.twitch.tv/yorgje
Streaming for a little less than an hour, going for IN hard mode 1cc, and testing streaming on linux. I'm very bad, no bullying please.

[Anonymous No.]

Dear STG general,
I've recently purchased Gradius on the 3DS as a change of pace from my other games.
It's pretty good, difficult (but I can hardly blame it on the game and not my own stupidity), etc.
One thing though, I remember that it was either this game or another that had an "easier" version for the NES, and that playing that version was frowned upon.
I could only manage to get 100k points after ~2 hours of playing and I wanted to know if this was the "easy" version of the game and if anyone has any tips.
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10495502
is this really choppy? the stream is not showing well on my end. Sorry for technical buggery, i've never done this before.

[Anonymous No.]

New technique involving using bombs while at max energy to end it prematurely at opportune times instead of just attempting to control enemy death times, which is often stupid because of their random movement and the "music" shenanigans. I made some pretty huge mistakes (e.g. failing to reach max energy at all at any point during the stage 8 Higgs boson due to running into the antimatter constantly or not shotgunning well enough for any of the black holes), so I'd say 1350 is within the realm of possibility.

[Anonymous No.]

it's canon: touhou is easier than other STG's. How does this make you feel?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10496869
how should it make me feel?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10496869
I don't think anybody has ever argued otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10496869
Difficulty is not the be all and end all of how good a game is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10496880
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/Touhou

[Anonymous No.]

>>10496999
le tv tropes face

[Anonymous No.]

hey guys, I made myself some 6 inch tengu geta, but I don't have enough balance to actually use them. Does this mean I lack talent? My aunt who does yoga could use them just fine after a couple minutes, whereas I've been practicing for a week with no results

[Anonymous No.]

>>10496869
"Play on hard, plebeian STG fans, lunatic is not for you."

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck these gay games. Stages 1-3 should be easy. I don't want to use any effort on any of those stages, nor bombs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10497329
You are a lazy ass. It's not hard if you practice it.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to cheese "mesh of light and darkness"? I'm keep dying like a bitch to it.

I have only captured it twice out of 43 times total.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10497329
Then practice the stages a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10497373
>2/43
please

[Anonymous No.]

>>10497378
I have. I cannot do stage 1-3 without dying/bombing 90% of the time. It shouldn't even take a single one of my lives until stage 4 at least.
I'm sick of restarting because of a single death.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10497329
Which game(s) are you playing? Which difficulty?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10497396
EoSD lunatic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10497384
Then don't restart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10497401
I don't think you should complain about lunatic being difficult. Maybe install a hitbox patch. Just practice more.

[Anonymous No.]

Please stream, /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>10497406
Why not when it's a waste of time and effort not to?

>>10497407
Hitbox patch is for pussies, and practicing in EoSD does fuck all. I must have practiced Remilia more times than any other boss and I still can only capture her 2nd and 3rd non-spell consistently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10497384
If you're that inconsistent then you still need more practice, but don't restart over just one or two mistakes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10497415
My first 1cc with ReimuB had deaths on stages 1 and 2. It's not a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10497401
I don't see why you'd have to restart because of a stage 3 death. It doesn't stop you from 1ccing and it doesn't ruin your score.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10497415
I'm sorry. I can't give you more advice other than just to practice it. Maybe look at videos of people clearing it without dying?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10497424
> It doesn't stop you from 1ccing
It does. Dying before stage 4 ruins my mood and causes me to play bad.

For the record, Meiling is a shit boss. Hardest stage 3 boss on lunatic for sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10497443
If you're dying before stage 4 then you're already playing bad, aren't you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10497401
If you play safe (know the patterns and safespots) you can perfect stages 1 and 2 with little effort

Stage 3 I would say the same, except in Meiling boss fight, where 2-3 of her attacks can be hard even memorizing them, you can use your bombs there.

But if you try to play for score, colecting all the point items, supergrazing patterns, and shit lke that it's A LOT harder to perfect the 3 stages.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10497448
...Which is why I restart?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10497451
Does restarting reset your rng for whether or not you'll play well or something?

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck it for now. I am clearly not meant to play Touhou today.
Yesterday I make it to Scarlet Gensokyo on my first try. Today I'm fucking up everywhere. Guess I'll just rewatch my replay a few times then either give it a few more tries or leave it for the moment.

>>10497479
Considering that's how I usually beat the games, I'd have to say yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10497486
It's okay. One day you'll awaken with the talent to clear everything like most others.

[Anonymous No.]

Dudes, help me out?
Where do the TH games store the players progress data?
I want to remove them all, pack them all together and make them available as a bundle, but I would like to get rid of my progress on them first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10498078
Most 2hu games have all the save data in score.dat. It's usually in the same folder as the game itself, aside from double spoiler and ten desires. you'll have to rename them to their respective games if you want to make a bundle, like "th6score.dat" and so on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10498082
Well, thats also good to know, but its not what I meant, sorry.
I want to remove all the save-games/progress to get a clean game again. And then release all the games in a bundle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10498088
guess, I just delete them. seems to work fine - what about ten desires or double spoiler though ?
Any ideas ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10498096
You find the files for those games in your AppData folder within your User directory. The folder may be hidden though so you'll have to make it unhidden first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10498101
alright, found em. Thanks.
It's been hard to find nice and easy complete packages of all the games from TH6 to TH13. So I thought I'd do the world a favor.

[Anonymous No.]

Nobody ever streams no more.

[Anonymous No.]

In great fairy wars.
Is it normal that I can only shoot for like 1 second and then it goes into sneak mode automaticly ? If I want to shoot continously I have to tap "z" quickly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10498158
Sad, isn't it?

>>10498183
C

[Anonymous No.]

>>10498186
how can I be that much of an idiot to not figure this out myself. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

Do these newer Touhou games still send you all the way to the beggining of the stage when you lose all of you lives?

It wasn't that way until MoF. It really pisses me off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10498212
Touhou 10~12 start you at the beginning. 12.8 and 13 have the original continue system.

You shouldn't be using continues anyway, it's bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10498219
Well, I am a bad player, after all, but I'm getting better.

I don't know why ZUN had to change it, tho.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10498226
personally, I never use continues
the moment I do the game feels pointless and I lose motivation to play

[Anonymous No.]

>>10498237
I still dont know what continues are.
I always have to start from stage 1 again, once I lost all my lives. Only been playing th6 and th13 though. Can anyone explain how this works?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10498226
If you want to get better, using continues isn't a bad idea. But when it's to the point to where you can't follow it and you're just bombing and flailing around? Just restart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10497380
you wot

[Anonymous No.]

>>10498111
I hope they're the unpatched japanese versions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10498409
It will include the jap. and eng. versions. I am still missing TH7 myself though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10498392
fack you!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10498553
Turns out the collection torrent version has both. Uploading now.

Speaking of said torrent, I hope you don't plan on making one giant archive instead of separate folders.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10499065
>MySQL server has gone away
What's a good non-mediafire alternative now that they restrict split archives?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10499099
MEGA?

[Anonymous No.]

I have a problem.
Is there a ways to change the controls?
I have a european keyboard and as you all know, the z and y keys are inverted.
This is normally no problem in any of the games, except Subterranean Animism and Shoot the Bullet. Its impossible to play this game for me, cause the shoot-keys are way off obviously. Patching to eng. version diddnt help. What can I do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10499189
Change your keyboard layout on the control panel maybe?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10499189
Move to the better, Nordic countries.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10499211
Well, yes. I could do that.
I could also write a simple script that launches when I open one of the two games that inverts those keys. But I was looking for a more permanent way, a fix or patch or anything. Or a way to rewrite them manually, so that I dont have to switch around all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

I suck at Touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10499279
You're in the right place then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10499227
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=219.0
Hopefully this will help.

[Anonymous No.]

so i'm pretty new at 2hu, and I started on IN because I was told it was one of the best to start out on

and now I'm playing the others and it's like, oh shit, i actually have to bomb BEFORE I get hit now

bad habits all up in this bitch

also, Yoshika's spellcards are some Treasure-tier puzzle-em-up bullshit

[Anonymous No.]

>>10499634
if you've never played STGs before, IN spell practice mode helps you get your dodging skills up faster

[Anonymous No.]

>>10499521
Who the fuck told you that? IN is the 𝑊𝑂𝑅𝑆𝑇 to start on because it breeds terrible habits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10499521
you shouldn't have played as border team

[Anonymous No.]

>>10499637
If you want dodging skills SA is the way to go, not IN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10499641
But SA is just streaming

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>>10499634
herro. i am a newfag who doesnt know anything. tell me how to italics pl0x.

testing

[newfag No.]

>>10499790
still testing...

[italics]test[/italics]

[Anonymous No.]

>>10483212

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>>10483212

[Anonymous No.]

>>10499790
>>10499901
𝑵𝑶.

[Anonymous No.]

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=27009

oh man, this was bad...

[Anonymous No.]

Decided to play on Easy for a change, ended up with my first two 1CCs ever. IN FinalA ghost team and FinalB border team.
Yes, I know, easy modo and all, just let me have my moment.

Also: during my Ghost team run I thought that, as always, stage 4 would be the point where my run started falling apart
Mfw I don't die at all during stage 4
Mfw I die THREE GODDAMN TIMES to motherfucking TEWI

[Anonymous No.]

>>10501531
Easymodo is completely fine. You can do normals later and achievement is always an achievement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10501531
It's hard to bomb in time after getting used to border team's deathbomb window, eh?

Congratulations. Although if you're going to post such a small achievement, the least you can do is sage

[Anonymous No.]

>>10501554
>the least you can do is sage
I don't think so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10501566
well, it's the least he could do in terms of being polite. Not the least as in, i dunno, disruption of the silence

[Anonymous No.]

>>10501577
because there is always so much quality content posted on /jp/ that we shouldn't distrupt them with our discussion of touhou

[Anonymous No.]

>>10501463
Your stage 6 made me cringe. I guess it's a good thing that Byakuren is almost a bigger joke than the game she's in, or you'd have been in trouble.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10501652
>I guess it's a good thing that Byakuren is almost a bigger joke than the game she's in, or you'd have been in trouble.

What?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10501667
it's le epic "UFO sucks" troll that's been in these threads for few weeks, don't respond to him

[Anonymous No.]

>>10501680
I'm no troll. I tell it how it is.
The game is shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10501704
Ohoho! You can't get me like that!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10501706
Whatever you say, chief.

[Anonymous No.]

what's your favorite touhou game? please don't just pick the most difficult one you've played.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10501712
IN because it's the best game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10501712
EoSD, aka the best Touhou game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10501712
UFO because of the music and mechanics that reward thinking on the spot and reacting to stuff instead of boring memorization.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10501715
>>10501717
Wow. Creative responses. Personally, I like IN, partially because it was my first touhou game, but I keep going back to it because there is a lot to do with last words and all, and the scoring system is very satisfying

[Anonymous No.]

>>10501720
That's a good one. It's almost like memorizing a UFO route doesn't allow you to win without even trying.
Hard to fail when you can have max lives by the stage 3 boss.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10501724
It's EoSD. I don't gotta splain shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10501712
UFO will have to be my pick. Scoring not as appealing to me as IN or MoF but the bullet patterns are amazing and the game kicks off already at Stage 2. Very neat.

A bonus is of course that Kogasa. Damn, that kid is sexy

[Anonymous No.]

>>10501712
I like MoF the best. Why? Music, beautiful backgrounds, the sense of progression (climbing a mountain and fighting a god at the top? Hell yeah.) I like the relative simplicity of the scoring system, too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10501712
6 because it was my first game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10501726
>>10501704
>>10501652

[Anonymous No.]

drmdr pls strm

[Anonymous No.]

>>10501712
EoSD easily, best characters, best music, best danmaku, best overall.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10501712

It's PCB for me, mainly because it was my first 1cc and extra/phantasm clear...

>>10501652

mate, UFO is my worst game next to MoF. That stage 6 was bullshit, but somehow beat Byakuren with pure adrenaline...

[Anonymous No.]

First normal 1cc of UFO -
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=27014

>>10483243
Has my hard mode replay.
Look at my cute as fuck play style. It hasn't changed since I started playing.
I'm going to assume I can do the same thing for lunatic too, right? I see no reason why it wouldn't work, personally. It's been working out on EoSD lunatic for the most part though I've not played too much since I finished off hard. I like to give myself a rest once I've finished all the games on a certain mode.

For those that don't feel like watching two replays to see what I mean, I basically wait until I have a good stage 1-4 then just bomb the fuck out of stages 5 and 6 since they're the worst stages IMO.

Just for the record, I don't do this in just UFO. I decided to post my UFO normal replay though since I was curious how well I did after watching >>10501463 this guys replay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10501712
IN. Supergrazing is fun and scoring puts a little bit of hair on your chest. Also teams are kawaii.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10502274
>grazing master spark

come at me marisa

[Anonymous No.]

>>10502146

okay, went through my saved replays...

why the hell is my first 1cc better than my second one?

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=27018

[Anonymous No.]

>>10501712
I have recently taken a liking to PCB. The music made me tear up for some reason on a recent run, and I really enjoy extra and phantasm.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10502274
>Supergrazing is fun
you should play Psyvariar

[Anonymous No.]

>>10502485
If ship movement speed was faster in that it would be better, but it's still tonnes of fun. Playing it with a PS2 controller instead of a pad is great too, because of the vibration.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10499189
alt+shift, invert the keyboard system of the game for you, do it every time you start the game (during the title screen is enough)

[Anonymous No.]

Please stream, /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

So what, now /jp/ will be 3 topics only board?

[Anonymous No.]

What is the point of this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10505372
But there are no fumos now, aren't you happy, mr. quality poster?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10505449
I haven't seen fumos in months. Didn't they get run off to /toy/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10500218
Why didn't I ask for a replay before you went to bed. I'm just awfully clueless with this. You win again, let's try again next week.

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any good STGs for smartphones?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10506874
There are a bunch of CAVE ports on the iPhone, but why would anyone want to play those games with a touchscreen?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10506874
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>10506883
CAVE games on iPhone are ridiculously easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10506883
>>10506903
Oh, that's too bad then. I tried some Cave demo and it was really akward to play indeed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10505467
I wonder about that myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10506973
>>10505372
>>10505449
>>10505467
Can't you guys make your own thread for discussing this?

[Anonymous No.]

Time to move on to a new thread.
>>10507086