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VNTS !!UcDDlzwANFs Sat Dec 22 21:46:35 2012 No.10250526 [Reply] [Original]

Visual Novel translation status

11Eyes - Progress: 29.4%, "New Translator accepted, 267 lines translated as of 11/21/2012. Waiting to see more progress before making any announcements."
12Riven- 7/72 scripts translated
>Air - 28% translated by Edger being edited, translation beyond that to be done by Sheeta, "Edited routes in Yoake: Common, Mia, Mai, Natsuki, 50% of Sayaka", seperate translation 60% done based on the old project
Aiyoku no Eustia - Fione route processing beta reports, Eris 5% translated
Amaenbo - Being translated
Amagami - 1st day patch Released for PS2/PSP, "155/1966 original edition scenario scripts translated (~7.88%)."
>Aoiro Rinne - "Translation is currently at around 3% (35 KB translated of 1 MB or so)."
Baldr Sky - Translation of new scripts stalled for a few weeks while existing scripts get revised. Overall progress: 23834/91443 (26.06%) lines
>Cannonball - 3700/36902 (10.03%) lines translated
Cartagra - Initial translation complete, future is unknown
>Comyu - Translation planned after Rewrite and Dra+Koi
Concerto Note - 50%, 18% edited
Da Capo 3- Translation Progress: 19%
>Danganronpa - Fully translated, demo released, 47% TLC, 36% edited
>Dra+Koi - Translation planned after Rewrite
>Dracu-Riot - partial patch released, 18226/53707 (33.94%) lines translated
>Fate/Hollow Ataraxia- 87.5% translated, third partial patch out
Flyable Hearts- 3105/47199 (6.58%) lines translated in new translation project
Fortune Arterial- Prologue completly translated, patches for Shiro, Kiriha and Kanade routes released. Erika route 65% done. Haruna route 60% done.
>Grisaia no Kajitsu- common, Amane, and Sachi routes fully translated, Michiru route 566/664 (85.3%) kb translated, overall 3881/5913 (65.64%) kb translated, 3315/5913 (56.07%) kb edited, demo out

VNTS !!UcDDlzwANFs Sat Dec 22 21:46:50 2012 No.10250529

Hadaka Shitsuji - "Translation of the game has reached 100%, internal test patch covers Sakuma/Arisato/Mizoguchi/Yoshio/Aoki with Toudou in progress. Aiming for a November release."
Haganai portable - Youtube based translation ongoing, part 8 up
Higanbana 2 - overall 1147 / 5914 (19.39%) lines translated
Higurashi Daybreak - being translated
Hinomaru- 51% translated, common route patch released
Hunks Workshop - ~75% rough translation
>I/O - 72/251 scripts and 55/256 tips translated
Irotoridori no Sekai - 43,196/51,100 (84.53%) lines translated, full common route, Kana, Tsukasa, and Kyou route translated, prologue patch released
Kanojotachi no Ryuugi - 1764/28555 (6.18%) lines translated
>Killer Queen: New translation started from scratch, 12/72 scripts translated and 10/72 scripts edited
Koitate - Ren and Yukino’s route patch released
>Kono Mama ja, Ane to SEX Shite Shimau - 7.5%
>Kud Wafter - 7757/33132 (23.41%) lines translated
Kurukuru Fanatic - 11.5% translated
Little Busters - Original released, work ongoing with EX./ME content, now a joint project with Doki. Sasami route fully translated
LoveMail: 13.6 % translated, 0% edited.
Majikoi- Yukie + Chris + Momoyo + Wanko + teacher route patch released, Miyako route 75% translated
>Majikoi S- Monshiro, Margit, and Kokoro routes patch out, Tsubame Route 55% translated, 20% edited
M&M Enchanting Magic & Sweet Charms- 92%
>Mahoutsukai no Yoru - 241.63/1221.51 (19.78%) kb translated
Maman Kyoushitsu - Saera Kanzaki and Honoka Mizushima routes patch released
Mirai no Uta to Tsunagaru Hitomi - 50% through the first past
Muv-Luv Altered Fable - partial patch released
>Natsuyume Nagisa - 1857/38142 (4.87%) lines translated. 1034/38142 (2.7%) lines edited
Oreimo PSP - Youtube based project, part 96.5 out
Pandora no Yume - 20% translated, engine hacked, scripts need to be extracted

VNTS !!UcDDlzwANFs Sat Dec 22 21:47:05 2012 No.10250532

Official work

MangaGamer
>Slave Witch April - Released
Eroge - In scripting at clockup, Winter release
Harukoi Otome - Through beta, Winter release
SSSS - In Beta, Winter release
Orion Heart - 100% translated, in insertion, 2013 release
>Tick Tack - ~83% translated, 2013 release
Ef: The Latter Tale - work on hold until after minori's next release in Japan
Secret title - Being translated, minor hint as the color "red", also "may or may not be filled with burning passion and hot action"
>Softhouse Seal title: 92% translated, hint "features four monster girls"
Innocent Grey titles- talks on hold through Feb.
Talking with new company for story based stuff

JAST
Yumina the Ethereal - editing and debugging, "We will definitely finish it by AX 2013. "
Saya no Uta - 99% complete, have uncensored CGs
Hanachirasu - 99% complete
Django - Couple more months of translation
Kikokugai - Working out issues
>Sumaga- 80.91% complete, going through retranslation
Seinarukana- Translation expected to be complete by end of year. Testing to follow, ~44% translated
Starless - Work ongoing
Trample on Schatten- In translation
Muramasa - Common route complete, 2 of 5 chapters towards true end translated, uncertain what will come from the project
Steins;Gate - "QC Remaining: phone text", Jast may pick up the project

Other
Liar Soft would like to bring Steampunk titles over
The Night of Kamaitachi - release planned
World End Economica - Chapter 1 release planned at Fancy Frontier

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>Stuff like this has been either added or updated since the last thread
A tracker for these threads put together by Tinfoil: http://vntls.tindabox.net/

VNTS !!UcDDlzwANFs Sat Dec 22 21:47:20 2012 No.10250531

Parfait- Translation planned
>Princess Maker 5- 64% translated
>Rance 3 - 69% Complete
Rance 6 - 51% Complete
Rance Quest - New translator working on it with overall progress 9356/110000 Lines (8.5%) Complete.
>Rewrite - 88203/101220 (87.14%) lines translated, common route and character route patch out
Rose Guns Days‬ - Demo released
>Sapphism no Gensou - 59 scripts translated
Se-kirara - Being translated
Sensei Da-isuki 2- roughly 25% translated, still active
Shinigami no Kiss wa Wakare no Aji - Fully translated, 2 routes of editing and technical problems remain
SubaHibi - Down the Rabbit Hole I patch released, 33178/54201 (61.2%) lines translated and 32884/54201 (60.7%) lines edited
>Sono Hanabira ni Kuchizuke wo 6- Released
>Sono Hanabira ni Kuchizuke wo 8- Released
Sono Hanabira ni Kuchizuke wo 9- 7/18 scripts translated
Sumaga Special - KBs done: [1156.45kb/8131.54kb] (14.22%)
Tenshi No Inai 12-Gatsu- "Maho route fixed"
Tenshin Ranman - 645.2/4560 (14.15%) KB translated, 166/4560 (3.64%) edited
>To Heart2- 65% translated- "The final product is still years away unless I get more help. ", new alpha patch released
Touka Gettan - translation status: ~40% translated
Welcome to Pia Carrot 2 - 1st draft translation 35%, as it was found much of the script was originally not dumped
>White Album 2 - Overall: 4951/70253 (7.04%) lines translated, Introductory Chapter: 4951/10769 (45.97%) lines translated
>Yandere - Resolving technical issues
Yoakemae Yori Ruriiro Na - 100% translated, 47% edited
>Yosuga no Sora - Translation status is Common route 100%, Sora route 100%, Nao 11.3%, Kazuha 100%, Akira 39.2%, Motoka 17.8%

Aroduc's secret project - On hold for now for technical reasons
Aroduc's secret project 2 - 431 scripts remaining
Rance Translations secret project - 77% complete

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 21:49:35 2012 No.10250533 >>Sono Hanabira ni Kuchizuke wo 6- Released >>Sono Hanabira ni Kuchizuke wo 8- Released >>10249636 Well, this is a strange coincidence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 21:50:20 2012 No.10250536 Sadly, best thread of the week once again brings us closer to the end of another december without angels.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 21:55:21 2012 No.10250552 >Da Capo 3- Translation Progress: 19% I wonder why people bother translating Circus stuff, Da Capo was like playing ToHeart and Kanon at the same time but Da Capo II was the most boring VN I've ever read.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 21:56:05 2012 No.10250559 >>10250554 Same with Rance 3, but nobody's complaining about that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 21:56:20 2012 No.10250554 >>10250552 Because they're Aeru using a machine translation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 21:57:35 2012 No.10250560 >>10250526 >seperate translation 60% done based on the old project Is this referring to Air or Yoake? why do they keep having updates for both VNs under Air when there is a separate update translation status under Yoake?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:00:20 2012 No.10250566 >>10250560 Because there is one person who did all of this

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:01:20 2012 No.10250572 >>10250536 Sadly, There isn't any angel in december to begin with.

Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:02:05 2012 No.10250575

>>10250560
>Is this referring to Air or Yoake?

Air

>why do they keep having updates for both VNs under Air when there is a separate update translation status under Yoake?

Because I messed up reading the progress on the Air project page page and thought that was Air related when updating, I'll have it fixed next week.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:02:21 2012 No.10250576 >>10250526 What is Aoiro Rinne? Is this any good? Vndb didn't have any information.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:04:20 2012 No.10250585 >>10250554 Don't bully my [pinku]Favorite Bishoujou[/pinku] Aaeru please.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:05:50 2012 No.10250591 >>10250554 Why is Aaeru using a machine translation? I thought she knew Japanese, and even worked on translating a project (until she turned out to be terminally ill or some other excuse).

Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:07:20 2012 No.10250594

>>10250591
She was working on translating a project. Her work was so bad that she was about to be kicked off the project until she quit. Only then did she become terminally ill, disappear, and return as our lord and savior.

Get your facts in order, dude.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:08:50 2012 No.10250599 >>10250594 Gomen gomen. Poor Aaeru. In a roundabout way, I'm actually glad Fuwanovel has worked out for her.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:09:35 2012 No.10250600 >>10250599 >Gomen gomen. What the HELL man, don't talk like a weeaboo retard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:10:06 2012 No.10250603 >>10250599 Failed translator-cum-messiah. Who knew?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:10:20 2012 No.10250602 >>Rance 3 - 69% Complete It's done, in beta testing, Christmas release planned.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:11:50 2012 No.10250607 >>10250602 You know why it took so long? Because the 'translator' had to take time off to study for their Intro Japanese test. Think about that for a while and adjust expectations appropriately.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:12:50 2012 No.10250609 >>10250600 My great-grandfather was half-Japanese, you baka gaijin. I'm no weeaboo. >>10250603 Now I hope she becomes an influential copyright expert and spreads love and tolerance across the land.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:13:05 2012 No.10250613 >>10250607 Was he translating the game to "get better at Japanese"? That's my favorite line.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:13:05 2012 No.10250614 >>10250599 >I'm actually glad Fuwanovel has worked out for her. source?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:13:35 2012 No.10250611 >>10250607 Except it didn't take a long time, I never said that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:14:20 2012 No.10250615 >>10250611 Missing The Point Entirely: Starring Anon

Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:15:05 2012 No.10250620 [DELETED]

>>10250614
http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=search&term=fuwanovel
http://sukebei.nyaa.eu/?page=search&term=fuwanovel

Thousands of people have downloaded "John Perry Barlow (founder of eff.org) addresses a hostile panel of CEOs & officials who want to control the internet.mp4" and "You must not be ashamed of piracy.pdf". That's quite the achievement!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:15:20 2012 No.10250619 >>10250613 I think he supposedly learned Japanese from fansubs. Like how Cudder's sock puppet learned Japanese from Atlas.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:18:50 2012 No.10250623 WHERE'S CUDDER? I NEED TO KNOW HOW MANY FILES HAVE CHANGED SINCE THE LAST THREAD

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:25:05 2012 No.10250636 >Saya no Uta - 99% complete, have uncensored CGs Ohhhh, how exciting.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:30:50 2012 No.10250643 File: 319 KB, 1000x667, sleeping.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10250636 Meanwhile, at JAST USA headquarters...

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:33:50 2012 No.10250650 >>10250623 Stop summoning that autismlord.

Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:34:35 2012 No.10250656

>>10250643
JAST is a hub of activity these days, actually. Moogy is initiating an aggressive acquisition of existing fan translation projects for potential commercial release using Peter Payne's onahole gold as war funds. The dawn of a new era is dawning.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:34:35 2012 No.10250658 >>10250643 I don't think JAST employee's would have suits that clean, just saying.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:36:05 2012 No.10250668 File: 51 KB, 700x525, peter.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10250658 But Peter Payne is a respectable businessman!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:40:05 2012 No.10250685 >>10250576 There's a description for Aoiro Rinne on the site where the project is being hosted. http://vnsociety.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/hosting-2-projects/

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:41:05 2012 No.10250688 File: 23 KB, 220x270, japan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10250668 Ever wonder why everybody hates Peter Payne?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:42:50 2012 No.10250690 >>10250668 He looks fucking EXACTLY like milk. Do you guys see this too?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:51:20 2012 No.10250711 >>10250685 Oh, so that's what OP meant by a separate Air translation. >We will be continuing off the first translation project’s progress. This is bad news. That's machine translated.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:58:35 2012 No.10250728 File: 64 KB, 700x525, i downloaded photoshop today.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10250690

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 22:59:20 2012 No.10250731 >>10250728 S-SUGEEEEH A hybrid...

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 23:00:35 2012 No.10250734 >>10250688 I don't hate him. I want to be him. That guy plays weeaboos like no one else. Anyone who can sell figures at the prices he does is a marketing genius.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 23:01:05 2012 No.10250738 File: 33 KB, 550x413, danny choo1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10250734 >That guy plays weeaboos like no one else. A challenger appears!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 23:03:20 2012 No.10250741 >>10250738 Danny Choo has the talent as well, but he doesn't monetize it as effectively. Choo is like the famous singer, while Peter is the record executive sucking all the money.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 00:08:20 2012 No.10250944 Whats going on with aroduc.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 00:10:05 2012 No.10250951 >>10250944 whats goin on wit u bb

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 00:14:20 2012 No.10250957 >>10250944 He's on strike.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 00:15:05 2012 No.10250963 >>10250944 He's busy sucking my cock.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 00:15:35 2012 No.10250965 >>10250957 What?

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 00:17:05 2012 No.10250970

>>10250965
Strike action, also called labor strike, on strike, greve (of French: grève), or simply strike, is a work stoppage caused by the mass refusal of employees to work. A strike usually takes place in response to employee grievances. Strikes became important during the Industrial Revolution, when mass labor became important in factories and mines. In most countries, strike actions were quickly made illegal, as factory owners had far more political power than workers. Most western countries partially legalized striking in the late 19th or early 20th centuries.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 00:18:50 2012 No.10250976 After Kamidori whatever Aroduc does will be dramatically anticlimactic. Only crappy VNs wwith gameplay are left.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 00:19:35 2012 No.10250978 >>10250526 >>Comyu - Translation planned after Rewrite and Dra+Koi OH FUCK

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 00:20:05 2012 No.10250980 >>10250963 You call that a cock? I guess I really am on /jp/...

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 00:21:05 2012 No.10250984 >>10250976 Kamidori was a crappy VN with (good) gameplay.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 00:23:50 2012 No.10250991 >>10250976 And how everything that Ixrec does is anticlimactic after Muv Luv Alternative.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 00:40:05 2012 No.10251062 Are there any good translated Yuri VNs that aren't just smut material? I want to experience a tale of pure girl love between pure maidens.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 00:44:20 2012 No.10251084 >>10250976 Are there really no other better gameplay vns out there?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 00:49:50 2012 No.10251106 >>10251062 Well, Sapphism no Gensou is being translated. Maybe that's to your liking?

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 00:50:35 2012 No.10251109
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>>10250591
>>10250594
Speaking of Aaeru being terminally ill, she's completely disappeared from the internet since December 13th, three days after tweeting "Caught a virus. was out of commission for a few days...".

So, yeah.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 00:53:05 2012 No.10251117 >>10251084 After Sengoku Rance and Kamidori, we have seen best RPG and strategy gameplay visual novels have to offer.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 00:55:05 2012 No.10251120

I've asked about Aaeru's terminal illness claims before, but back then there was no trace left of the post in which she claimed terminal illness on the internet. Is there still some kind of 'I've returned' post she made that's still somewhere on the internet I can read?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 01:00:20 2012 No.10251139 >>10251120 Why would you care about that cancer? She is one of the worst members of the english VN community.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 01:01:50 2012 No.10251149 >>10251120 No. Just notice the 6 month break in all activity shortly after the clusterfuck of 'interviewing translators,' half of which are people who dropped projects 5-10% of the way in. http://visualnovelaer.wordpress.com/

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 01:07:35 2012 No.10251176 >>10251117 Are you an English only /jp/er or are you really talking the truth?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 01:17:05 2012 No.10251216 >>10251176 What we are missing are some raising simulators.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 01:18:50 2012 No.10251224 >>10251216 Wait for Princess Maker 5 to finish. In 2018

Y10NRDY !kxh.1oTAkU Sun Dec 23 01:43:05 2012 No.10251281

>>Air - 28% translated by Edger being edited, translation beyond that to be done by Sheeta, "Edited routes in Yoake: Common, Mia, Mai, Natsuki, 50% of Sayaka", seperate translation 60% done based on the old project

Sheeta's gonna be the one to finally pull this shit off.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 01:59:05 2012 No.10251331 >>10251281 It's cursed. Nobody will ever complete it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 02:28:50 2012 No.10251433 Seems like nothing I'm interested in is progressing far or even at all. Well, except Danganronpa, but JPCSP is such a beyond shitty emulator that it probably won't even work on it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 02:52:22 2012 No.10251513 >>10251331 Sheeta is a witch

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 02:54:07 2012 No.10251519 >>10250976 but muh baldr sky

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 05:16:23 2012 No.10251842 >>10251433 JPCSP works with it. My super-old build doesn't play the BGM and movies, but I hear that at least the former has been rectified in more recent builds.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 05:38:08 2012 No.10251881 >>10251513 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzYBeP7hylg

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 05:44:15 2012 No.10251900 Where's the Oretsuba TL?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 06:11:53 2012 No.10251949 >>10251900 There isn't one. Ixrec hasn't officially announced it, and he won't be working on it until after Valusia and Sona-Nyl.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 06:22:23 2012 No.10251970 >>10250526 >Aoiro Rinne - "Translation is currently at around 3% (35 KB translated of 1 MB or so)." Talk about insane.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 07:04:08 2012 No.10252000 >>10251900 untranslatable masterpiece

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 09:06:38 2012 No.10252134 >>10251949 >Sona-Nyl What's with Ixrec and pretentious shitty games?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 09:10:08 2012 No.10252146 >Dra+Koi - Translation planned after Rewrite Is Ixrec trying to muscle in on Moogy's territory?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 09:12:08 2012 No.10252150 File: 48 KB, 250x250, 1306569061624.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10252134 Translating things you like should be punishable by law.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 09:13:08 2012 No.10252153 >>10252134 You mean Liar-Soft games? Or are you including Romeo stuff? Well, regardless, yeah, he's made some more than questionable choices of things to translate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 09:13:38 2012 No.10252151 >>10252146 Hostilities officially started. The war will soon begin.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 09:13:53 2012 No.10252152 >>10252146 he wrote on his blog he already got permission or something but yeah, he's the hero of visual novel scene, it wouldn't surprise me he if he translated dies irae and oretsuba next just to spite moogy's supposedly untranslateable gems

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 09:15:53 2012 No.10252154 >>10252146 Moogy was unsatisfied with his translation quality so he abandoned it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 09:23:53 2012 No.10252164 >>10251513 But is she really a powerful enough witch to lift the curse on Air? She seems to be falling victim to it herself, with her general working speed decreasing over all of her projects and her not having any time to spend on Air.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 09:26:08 2012 No.10252166 >>10252164 I bet she'll die.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 09:26:23 2012 No.10252165 >>10252152 It's not that you can't translate it, any monkey could; it's just that it would be a very shitty version.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 09:37:08 2012 No.10252190 >Baldr Sky - Translation of new scripts stalled for a few weeks >stalled for a few weeks >for a few weeks >a few weeks Good thing I'm 1000 kanji away from being able to read.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 09:41:53 2012 No.10252193 >>10252190 Kanji is easy tier. Actual vocab, jukugo, and other things are the hard part.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 09:43:08 2012 No.10252196 >>10252154 It's hard to be satisfied with nothing after all.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 09:46:08 2012 No.10252202 >>10252193 My point stands. Eight years of anime and music combined with a good memory have left me with a great dormant vocabulary. With every new kanji I recall dozens of words I had heard before but never actually "learned".

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 10:02:21 2012 No.10252231 >>10252202 yes yes, no one else had previous language exposure before learning the language you totally are going to be able to "read" as soon as you finish your heisig or whatever I promise

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 10:06:51 2012 No.10252239

>>10252231
Come back when you learn a Romance language through videogames, man.
If you are able to do that and you still mantain that nobody can learn a language through media exposure, then I'll have no option but to accept your point.
Also
>Heisig
No. A dictionary.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 10:16:21 2012 No.10252257

>>10252239
Take it from someone who watched unsubbed anime for a decade and then learned japanese enough to the point where he can play VNs untranslated. Once you know a lot of kanji you aren't going to magically be able to read a game. You will be able to infer meaning but you need to learn fuckton more than kanji to really read it.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 10:36:21 2012 No.10252296

>>10252257
But I'm already reading shounen manga mostly without dictionary. Four months ago before seriously starting with kanji I couldn't read even that.
I'm not pretending I'm fully literate or anything close to that. I'm saying my weakest field is kanji.
Why am I writing this? Maybe I want to express that some people are good are some things, while others are good at other things.
I can't draw for shit. Reddit comics are beyong my skill.
But I (and millions of other people) can do things like learning English through reading English. I did that and I intend to do the same with Jap. The obvious obstacle is kanji. Through learning kanji all the other parts are falling into place very fast.

Though to be fair, I do sigh when I read somebody says they're going through Heisig and expect to be able to read with that without previous experience with the language. Just not my case (nor millions of other people's cases).

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 12:38:16 2012 No.10252646 To be honest, manga with extremely simple dialogue can't be compared with a novels narration parts (and more complex dialogue). You'll know what I mean when you'll actually start reading a game and take five minutes for each non dialogue line I guess.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 12:59:53 2012 No.10252710

>>10252646
I can't actually read Japanese any decently, but I've tried and this person speaks the truth. For dialogue I can just look up a couple words in a dictionary and understand it, but narration is so complex that even when I know the meaning of every single word said I still don't get what the sentence says.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 13:15:08 2012 No.10252758 [DELETED]

>>10251120
She deleted her blog posts and they aren't cached anywhere.

However, here's a /jp/ post explaining the situation from before Fuwanovel started:
>>8159142
>Katahane. Disappeared for two months, posted about how he (she?) was dying and therefore no longer had any time for VNs, then returned to the internet about four months later after deleting the page claiming death was imminent and apparently has all the time in the world for VNs again.
>The link's still floating around, some search engine probably has it cached.
>http://visualnovelaer.wordpress.com/2010/12/03/my-life-as-an-eroge-enthusiast/

Pretty sure I remember reading this page earlier, and this summary sounds fairly accurate.

There's also this:
http://tlwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Katahane#Resignation
>Once I get discharged from this horrible place
Curious.
>I have been absolutely dying
lol

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 13:18:07 2012 No.10252769 >>10252758 Oh, and http://fuuka.warosu.org/jp/thread/S6606148#p6634743_1

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 13:26:52 2012 No.10252784 >>10252769 >>10252758 The way I remember it, she claimed to have some kind of disease that gave her 5-10 years left to live and she wanted to spend her time doing 'meaningful things,' which didn't include VNs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 13:35:38 2012 No.10252804 >>10252758 >>10252769 Thanks. Still didn't manage to find anything...damn, how can a public blog post on the internet read by so many people remain so elusive...?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 13:44:23 2012 No.10252823 >>10251106 I thought you said Genius of Sappheiros

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 14:02:23 2012 No.10252867 >>10250620 Aren't her torrents weird? It has an executable in it and all.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 14:03:53 2012 No.10252871 >>10252867 They're installed game files repacked into a self-extracting archive. Don't ask.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 14:13:53 2012 No.10252892 >>10252804 It's not much, but here's an archived post from her blog referencing the post in question.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 14:15:53 2012 No.10252898 >>10252804 It's not much, but here's an archived post from her blog referencing the post in question. http://www.mediafire.com/?ic7742xj9zqe7du

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 14:26:37 2012 No.10252930 >>10252898 Don't open that rar, it just ate my dog. rip in pieces ;_;

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 14:38:38 2012 No.10252961 File: 128 KB, 329x300, 1354664995756.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I found this on /vn/.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 14:49:53 2012 No.10252996 >>10252961 There website is so cute and innocent looking that I don't even feel like I'm stealing.

>>	None !Nipaa0mi0. Sun Dec 23 15:05:38 2012 No.10253032 >>10252961 I hope the sprites are all upside-down in their releases.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 15:05:53 2012 No.10253033 [DELETED]

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>>10252996
This is Peter Payne. This is the life you've forced him to live. He just wanted to deliver great games to the masses, but through your theft you have put him on the streets.

Why do you hate Peter Payne, Anon? He only wanted to make you happy.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 15:08:24 2012 No.10253039 [DELETED]

How is Aaeru even getting away with Fuwanovel? She's not exactly buttering up what she's doing, she admits it's illegal piracy through and through. Not to mention she's Australian and I'm sure the Australian courts would just *love* to know she's distributing cartoon porn games featuring minors...

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 15:11:09 2012 No.10253049 >>10253039 Send a letter or something to the site provider and google asking them to remove the site or something.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 15:11:38 2012 No.10253050 >>10252961 I really cannot get a grasp on people's opinions on Fuwanovel, Aaeru, and her politics. Is it mockery or tribute?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 15:12:38 2012 No.10253052 >>10253050 We just like drama. It's meta-entertainment between releases.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 15:12:38 2012 No.10253054 >>10253039 She's a member of the Pirate Party of Australia, which I guess has some political clout?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 15:14:38 2012 No.10253057 I want to impregnate aaeru

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 15:15:08 2012 No.10253061 >>10253057 you gay?

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 15:15:38 2012 No.10253060 [DELETED]

>>10253049
I'm not saying I or anyone else should epic raid her for the lulz or whatever, I just don't understand why someone else hasn't already (besides /jp/ changing her website).
At the very least I'm assuming she is hosting her site and seed box from a saner country, or that there's some loophole ("We don't host the content ourselves", "These are backup copies", "It's outside the publishers' jurisdiction").

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 15:17:23 2012 No.10253065 >>10253050 Fuwanovel is a good site if you just want to download an English VN easy, probably the best. In my opinion, Aaeru is a cunt and I don't want people who are new to VNs thinking she's the messiah.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 15:18:08 2012 No.10253069 File: 413 KB, 990x1000, fairprice.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10253033 But Peter Payne's prices only make me sad.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 15:18:23 2012 No.10253070 >>10253054 Is she even a (notable) member? I know one of the leaders of the Swedish Pirate Party commented on an article she stole (i mena "shared"), but he didn't seem to know who she was or anything like that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 15:19:38 2012 No.10253074 >>10253069 >$115.00 Jesus.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 15:21:53 2012 No.10253083 File: 36 KB, 504x662, 1266378985569.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10252134

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 15:24:23 2012 No.10253090 >>10253074 But in j-list you get 1726 pts while in amiami you just get 72.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 16:44:24 2012 No.10253328 File: 42 KB, 741x689, ticktack_day9.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I know no one cares, but this game doesn't have any right to be this complicated, it's going to be a pain to get this all working properly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 17:43:00 2012 No.10253464 File: 1.44 MB, 3264x2448, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is this moogydono

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 17:47:00 2012 No.10253469

>>10250526
>Air - 28% translated by Edger being edited, translation beyond that to be done by Sheeta, "Edited routes in Yoake: Common, Mia, Mai, Natsuki, 50% of Sayaka", seperate translation 60% done based on the old project

Fuck, they're actually doing SOMETHING with it...but it's still so far away...

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 17:48:00 2012 No.10253471 >>10253469 >they're actually doing SOMETHING with it It in this case, being the script run through machine translators. It'd be better if they weren't doing anything with it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 17:52:15 2012 No.10253481 >>10253471 I grew my culture up with Cudder's shit translations, what now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 17:54:15 2012 No.10253486 >>10253481 Aaeru culture.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 18:13:30 2012 No.10253556 I want to become a VN translator but I don't know Japanese. What I need to do in order to become one?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 18:19:00 2012 No.10253572 >>10253556 Go to the Rance thread on /vg/ and say you want to translate a Rance game. Presto! You're now a translator with an entire thread of people begging you to cum all over them

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 18:20:45 2012 No.10253575 >>10253556 Translate a VN from English to your mother language.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 18:22:00 2012 No.10253582 >>10253572 >/vg/ >Rance thread I want to forget a part of /v/ moved from discussing not videogame shit to VNs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 18:22:16 2012 No.10253580 >>10253575 But English is my mother language.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 18:26:00 2012 No.10253593 >>10253580 Then translate from English to Simple English. It's a valid language wikipedia agrees don't bother them about it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 18:27:45 2012 No.10253595 >>10253580 How about you become an editor instead translator?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 18:28:15 2012 No.10253598 >>10253595 The world has enough editors.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 18:32:30 2012 No.10253610 >>10253595 I'm not a fag

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 18:34:30 2012 No.10253618 >>10253598 And yet none of them are any good at it. Thinking you know English does not make you a good editor.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 18:36:15 2012 No.10253623 >>10253610 >Editor is not neccessary on translation project. Well, enjoy your Cudder-tier translation.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 18:40:30 2012 No.10253628 >>10253623 Literally, who are you quoting? I just said editors are fags, not useless.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 18:41:15 2012 No.10253631 >>10253628 Then you'd fit right in with them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 18:42:30 2012 No.10253635 >>10253631 :iceburn:

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 18:46:15 2012 No.10253645 >>10253631 nice

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 18:54:15 2012 No.10253669 >>10253572 Let's see it that works >>21627290

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 18:59:15 2012 No.10253677 >>10253669 >>>/vg/21627290 Let me help you.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 19:13:15 2012 No.10253707

>>10253669
Wow. It was less than 3 minutes before one of them asked you to name yourself after a God. Better call yourself xXxRancexXx to show that you mean serious business.

Now post percentages once a week and watch them clamor over each other to defend and extol you. You don't actually have to do anything. Just post numbers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 19:15:30 2012 No.10253713 File: 19 KB, 158x183, 1223315490492.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10253707 Fascinating.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 19:28:30 2012 No.10253742

>>10253582
It pains me that /vg/ is discussing more /jp/-related material than /jp/.

I know we've had plenty of threads about it in the past, but when was the last time we had a serious Rance thread? There are untranslated games so you elitists don't have to feel bad about taking part in it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 19:32:00 2012 No.10253758 File: 52 KB, 249x238, fasntnig.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10253713

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 19:37:15 2012 No.10253772 File: 70 KB, 249x238, 1356026493719.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10253758

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 19:38:15 2012 No.10253777 >>10250978 WOAH WHAT?

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 19:42:15 2012 No.10253798

>>10253742
It's the same thing with other VNs and a bit with Katawa Shoujo that /v/ or /vg/ touches. People get scared of more people getting into VNs, their favorite new ones in general and start to sperg out.

/vg/ advertised VNs and Katawa Shoujo are pretty much the epitome of magnet for new VN readers from shit boards.

That and SOMEHOW people actually move out to /vg/. I didn't know they were that desperate to cooperate with /v/ kids even with all the shitposts and all.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 19:43:00 2012 No.10253804 >>10253798 >/v/ kids WOAH there ``buddy''. You have to be AT LEAST 18 years old to browse this website. No way they're still kids.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 19:47:00 2012 No.10253821 >>10253804 Manchildren then.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 19:54:00 2012 No.10253850 >>10253798 Are you really saying that there's less shitposting in /jp/? Because that would be fucking insane.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 19:55:15 2012 No.10253857 I'm hoping some kind anon might email me the Yosuga no Sora patch including Sora's route. It would really make my christmas. The translator is taking his time emailing it to me... Understandable since they are busy and it's the holidays and all.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 19:56:00 2012 No.10253861 >>10253850 I'm not advocating LoL furry posters but neither am I saying /jp/ is safer.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 19:58:15 2012 No.10253867 >>10253804 /jp/ would love to have some kids posting here and showing off their cute faces. 3DPD is only a tsundere term, they don't really feel that way.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 19:59:30 2012 No.10253873 >>10253867 3DPD is only a /a/ term

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 20:00:15 2012 No.10253879 >>10253598 >The world has enough editors >Yandere just got delayed because of editor issues

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 20:00:45 2012 No.10253882 >>10253873 Shouldn't that be "only an /a/ term"?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 20:01:30 2012 No.10253885 >>10253850 If you compare our VN general to theirs there's no question which is higher quality.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 20:01:30 2012 No.10253887 >>10253879 The translator is doing all the editing. Yandere is a tiny, shitty little doujin game. I have no idea why it's taking even just one person doing all the work this long

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 20:01:45 2012 No.10253888 >>10253873 >>10253882 /a/ aren't pedos in denial, though. They are genuine moralfags.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 20:02:00 2012 No.10253893 >>10253885 Better be /jp/ because /vg/ is a clusterfuck of genuine retards doing multiple posts for shit topics and random /v/ tier jokes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 20:02:30 2012 No.10253891 >>10253885 One also has 20 times more people and activity than the other.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 20:03:30 2012 No.10253894 >>10253888 People on /a/ usually admit to being a pedophile. Some might insist on calling them 'lolicons', but we and they know what they truly are.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 20:07:15 2012 No.10253910 >>10253894 What happens when they admit it? I mean, /a/ is mainstream as fuck and anime is mainstream as fuck. Some normal is fated to appear and freak out. I still think they are just trying to sound dark and edgy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 20:08:45 2012 No.10253915 >>10253910 There's no way to know if they're lying or being honest. There's always the one guy calling them sick and disgusting, but he could be pretending too for all we know.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 20:13:45 2012 No.10253930

>>10253915
I'll never understand how someone can call it "disgusting". What the fuck is so disgusting about a guy fapping to fantasies of kids doing kiddy things.

I mean, why isn't some fat loser fapping to adult women disgusting? I wouldn't want to look at it.

I hate how this society twists the meaning of the words. Rape, pedophilia, pedophile, creepy, disgusting, love, friendship, child, music... They don't mean what they mean anymore!

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 20:15:00 2012 No.10253936 >>10253930 I don't really get it either. I personally don't care what anyone does in the privacy of his or her own house, as long as they don't bother me about it. I guess some people just want to get upset over something, I don't know.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 20:19:15 2012 No.10253943 >>10253887 It was set to be released by Christmas, but the editor came back after a prolonged absence and said the translator's editing job wasn't up to snuff.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 20:40:45 2012 No.10253996 when is rewrite coming... or anything.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 20:43:15 2012 No.10254003 >>10253930 Do you find furries disgusting? I'm not asking if you "hate furries" or anything like that, but do you find furries and their fetish disgusting? If your answer is "no", get out of 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 20:47:30 2012 No.10254011 >>10254003 Why do you even have to ask?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 20:49:15 2012 No.10254021 >>10254003 make me

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 20:49:30 2012 No.10254018

>>10254003
I find it weird, but I don't see how it can be disgusting.

>>10253936
I think they call it disgusting because they feel the need to insist over and over on how normal they are and how much they agree with the social norms. They don't even think about what "disgusting" means, they just find a negative word in their brainwashed minds and use it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 20:52:30 2012 No.10254028 >>10254018 en.wikifur.com/wiki/Babyfur http://babyfur.me/ http://www.babyfur.com/

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 20:56:45 2012 No.10254040 >>10254028 >en.wikifur.com/wiki/Babyfur God damn, this is so... freaky. So this is how the brainwashed normals see "lolicons"? Am I brainwashed into finding this thing hilariously fucked up, then?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:00:01 2012 No.10254061 >>10254040 Only way it gets me nowadays is if it involves any diaper shit.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:00:30 2012 No.10254058
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>>10254003
I never understood the hate for furries. If we have no problems with people who enjoy cute girls suffering from violent torture, why is liking animals such a great evil? We even have no problems with bestiality and monster girls, but somehow animal x animal is over the line.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:03:45 2012 No.10254073 >Straight >At least we are normal! >Gays >At least our partners can legally consent! >Pedos >At least we like human beings! >Furries >At least animals are alive and warm! >Necro >At least I can fuck my corpses IRL! >2Dfags >Insert excuse here<

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:03:45 2012 No.10254074

>>10254040
>this is how the brainwashed normals see "lolicons"

Yes. Spend some time off-site and see what ordinary folks think of lolicon. 4chan is the exception, not the rule.

Though I respect the normals' opinions as much as 4chan's. I don't think either side has been brainwashed. We may think normals are idiots who were brainwashed by moral panics and the media, they think we're idiots who were brainwashed into thinking sick pedo cartoons are okay.

It's a matter of principle, really. If someone wants to find me creepy or be disgusted because of a fetish I have, so be it. I only take fault with you if you actually do something about it (e.g. getting websites shut down, getting people arrested).

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:06:45 2012 No.10254080 >>10254058 >dont think badly of me at least i dont [...] What's up with that attitude? Why do you need to elevate yourself over others?

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:09:45 2012 No.10254087

>>10254074
>getting websites shut down, getting people arrested
That shit has already happened. And there are probably a lot of 12+ realizing how much they like little girls and how "sick" they are. They will feel like shit for years. And if they ever stop being brainwashed, their butthurt will reach critical levels because everyone keeps saying ignorant bullshit about pedophilia and they can't do anything about it.

Is all this suffering really necessary? And why aren't we talking about visual novels in this thread?

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:10:30 2012 No.10254092
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>>10254074
I have no problems with any fetish - be it pedophilia, furry, scat, necrophilia, guro, vore, anything. It turns people on due to various psychological factors and there's nothing wrong with it as long as nobody is harmed.

I feel that anyone who does take issue with certain fetishes is brainwashed. Not caring is the rational viewpoint to take, and any disgust felt at someone's fetish is just a matter of social context. (I think it's quite likely that the furry hate around here is just due to this social context; everybody agrees that furry is evil so you should feel it's evil as well. I can't really find any other explanation for this on a site where every single other fetish, no matter how 'disgusting', is accepted.)

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:10:45 2012 No.10254095

>>10254058
As it's been said time and time again, it's not so much the fetish but the people. I know there's this knee-jerk reaction to insist nothing can annoy you (we all have skin made of steel and are 100% troll-proof) but furries annoy the fuck out of me. I don't actively seek out furries or anything like that, but they're just irritating people. I wouldn't accept furries into 4chan just as I wouldn't accept 13-year-olds or militant feminists into 4chan. Of course, this only applies if you make yourself known. You can be a Zionist toddler Brony for all I care, as long as you don't announce it or act like a retard.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:13:00 2012 No.10254106
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>>10254080
It's sarcastic, because it just doesn't make any sense that people who fap to torture somehow feel they have a more acceptable fetish than those who fap to animals.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:13:30 2012 No.10254102

>>10254087
>That shit has already happened.
I know it has, and I take fault with those people if they affect me personally. That might sound selfish, but I'm really not bothered if a website I've never heard of gets shut down by the FBI. I'm not an activist or anything, I'm just a guy on the internet.

>why aren't we talking about visual novels in this thread?
We've all seen the latest changes, reacted to them, and now we're having the bimonthly "are pedophiles evil?" discussion.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:15:16 2012 No.10254110 >>10254092 Furries are annoying faggoty people. I've spoken to some, they're weird and not in a good way.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:19:46 2012 No.10254122 >>10254073 ... I can't really find any argument to defend my 2D only tendencies...

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:20:30 2012 No.10254126 >>10254073 >>10254122 At least I have a girlfriend?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:21:30 2012 No.10254131 >>10254122 http://cphpost.dk/news/national/report-cartoon-paedophilia-harmless "At least I'm not going to molest anyone!"

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:22:45 2012 No.10254139 >>10254126 Maybe. Gays have boyfriends and normals have girlfriends, but they can't have true love. 2D lovers can.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:23:15 2012 No.10254142 >>10254131 Man, why didn't I hear about this before? Finally, the ultimate argument for "LOLI IS NOT PEDO - And we have studies to prove it."

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:23:30 2012 No.10254145

>>10254106

It depends on the person's values. Hurting others for sexual pleasure may be seen as acceptable because they are staying within the human race, while furries may be seen as problematic for liking
creatures that are non human

I dislike most extreme fetishes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:26:15 2012 No.10254150 >>10254131 >>10254142 But loli is pedo and every study ever done about pedophilia has been extremely biased and retarded beyond belief...

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:27:15 2012 No.10254153 >>10254150 But loli isn't pedo. 2D != 3D. I thought /jp/ understood this. I know /a/ doesn't, but come on guys.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:32:16 2012 No.10254167 >>10254153 Have you really never seen the huge arguments filling thread upon thread /jp/ has had about that?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:33:01 2012 No.10254172 >>10254167 Or every single thread about it on /a/? It's like they have no memory or are performing the same play over and over again. Like this >>10254170 guy.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:33:16 2012 No.10254170

>>10254153
If you like 2D women, you still like women. You can absolutely loathe real women, it doesn't change your sexual orientation.

If you like 2D men, you are still gay. Maybe you don't like real men because most of them are fucking retarded, it doesn't mean you aren't gay.

If you like 2D lolis, you are a pedo. I honestly can't find a reason to dislike children, maybe you only know fat and ugly american girls or you somehow believe the Wikipedia definition of pedophilia. It doesn't change your attraction to children.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:35:01 2012 No.10254178 >>10254170 There are people who don't like real kids and still fap to loli. They are "perverts" and for some reason think they are better than people who love children. I call brainwash.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:35:31 2012 No.10254176 >>10254170 I like 2D women, but not 3D women. 3D women are disgusting, filthy creatures that I would never want to touch with a ten foot pole. 2D != 3D. It's a very simple concept and I don't see why you can't understand it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:38:01 2012 No.10254182 >>10254176 You like 2D women. WOMEN. You like women in at least one form. You are an heterosexual and don't have any reason to deny it using retarded arguments. Why are lolicons the only ones who try to justify their attraction?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:38:16 2012 No.10254180 >>10254178 Why do you even care what somebody is sexually attracted to, as long as they don't act upon it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:40:16 2012 No.10254184 >>10254180 I care if they don't admit it. Society is like it is because of that kind of people.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:43:46 2012 No.10254196 Can you guys stop talking about women and talk about visual novels?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:44:01 2012 No.10254204 >>10254182 But that's wrong you retard. It is the same way that liking traps doesn't make someone gay.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:44:46 2012 No.10254201 >>10254196 Women are in VNs so it's on-topic.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:45:01 2012 No.10254206
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>>10254184

Why do you care if they don't admit it?

>>10254182

I am only attracted to 2D women. I have not felt sexual attraction to a 3D woman for years. What part of this is hard to understand?

Think about it like a multi-dimensional chart. Actually, let me draw one up for you. Here.

It's very simple. You can even make your own!

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:48:31 2012 No.10254218 >>10254206 >I am only attracted to 2D women. But your image has a checkbox under 2D men as well.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:49:01 2012 No.10254228 >>10254204 >>10254206 Homosexual, pedosexual and heterosexual doesn't mean "attracted to 3D". It works for 2D too. You can call yourself "lolicon", but you are still a pedo. That's the correct word.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:49:01 2012 No.10254229 >>10254218 Sorry, allow me to correct my statement. I am only attracted to 2D women and 2D men. I am not attracted to 2D children, 3D women, 3D men, or 3D children.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:50:31 2012 No.10254231 >>10254228 Stop arguing semantics and just accept that people who like 2D children are not the same as the people who like 3D children.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:54:01 2012 No.10254246 File: 160 KB, 777x980, cutegirl.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10254204 >It is the same way that liking traps doesn't make someone gay. That's what I thought at first, too. It's only a matter of time.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:54:31 2012 No.10254245

>>10254142
>the ultimate argument for "LOLI IS NOT PEDO

The article itself calls it "cartoon paedophilia".

Lolicons are paedophiles but not child molesters. Stop treating the two as synonyms.

While we're at it, the academic/legal term for lolicon pornography is "simulated child pornography".

Nobody is denying you don't like 3D (your /jp/ cred is intact) but misunderstanding/misusing words is what those ignorant normalfags do.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:55:46 2012 No.10254252 >>10254231 Better yet: stop denying you are a pedophile because there is nothing wrong with being a pedophile. I say this as pedophile myself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:56:01 2012 No.10254260 >>10254204 But it makes you a transphile (original word do not steal). Also everyone is gay for Bridget.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:56:46 2012 No.10254258

>>10254231
What do you mean by "the same"? They are both normal people who like childlike features.

There are pedos who find "drawings" retarded and only like real children and neets like you who don't want anything to do with 3D people. You are both pedos, accept it and stop being delusional. It's not wrong, you fucking retard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:57:01 2012 No.10254264 >>10254252 >>10254258 There is a difference between 2D lolicons and 3D pedophiles. Please agree to this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:57:01 2012 No.10254265 >>10254245 Child molester are often non-pedophiles. Stop treating pedophiles as something else. They are just people who like children, with the same feelings as everyone else and the same capacity to control their dicks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:57:46 2012 No.10254263 >>10254245 Wouldn't using the word "lolicon" instead of "pedophile" prevent misunderstandings?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:58:31 2012 No.10254268 >>10254263 It would, be these autists are so up in arms about making sure people use the right word instead of the most efficient word. It's ridiculous.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:59:01 2012 No.10254276 >>10254263 Why don't we just erase the misunderstandings from this world by using the correct words instead of avoiding them? >>10254264 What difference? Seriously, what?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 21:59:31 2012 No.10254273 >>10254206 I always thought that people that liked lolicon where just attracted to the cute anime aesthetic and not actual pedos.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:00:01 2012 No.10254282 >>10254276 >What difference? Seriously, what? One group only likes drawings of children. The other group likes real children.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:03:31 2012 No.10254292 >>10254263 Yes, I agree. That's fine. My only problem is when people say they aren't pedophiles when they are. It's fine to be a pedophile, whether you like 3D or you're a lolicon (or both). >>10254265 I agree. I wish normal people understood this.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:04:31 2012 No.10254299

>>10254282
Why is that difference so important?

Also, normal pedophiles like both things, like everyone else. Only a few ignorant rednecks don't understand what's so good about drawings and only a few delusional neets would reject real little girls even inside their own dreams.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:05:01 2012 No.10254306 Another VNTS thread ruined.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:05:31 2012 No.10254304

>>10254299

Because there is a difference between reality and fiction. This is a very important difference that needs to be distinguished.

>Only a few ignorant rednecks don't understand what's so good about drawings and only a few delusional neets would reject real little girls even inside their own dreams.

You are a bad person.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:06:31 2012 No.10254308 >>10254292 I wish Hell was real so normal people could go there. They deserve it for being so fucking retarded, I don't want them to just return to nothingness/reincarnate and get away with it.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:06:46 2012 No.10254310

>>10254264
There's a difference in that they (obviously) like different things, but I think you're unnecessarily being too harsh on 3D pedophiles.

If you are a 2D pedophile (or a "lolicon") then you like fictional children and drawings.
If you are a 3D pedophile then you like real children and photographs.

So what? Not all heterosexuals are rapists. Not all pedophiles are going to act on their urges in real life, and I freely admit 2D pedophiles are probably less likely to than 3D ones.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:08:31 2012 No.10254316

>>10254304
>Because there is a difference between reality and fiction. This is a very important difference that needs to be distinguished.

Can you explain why? If photographs of children already exist and some guy masturbates to them, does that make him a bad person? Why does this apply to real children but not drawings? I think there's nothing wrong with either unless you act on your urges or produce such materials yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:08:31 2012 No.10254317 >>10254304 The difference is important when it affects real life. Things you use to masturbate or platonic love don't affect it too much.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:11:01 2012 No.10254325

>>10254316

>Can you explain why?

Because there's a fucking difference between fiction and reality and you're fucking retarded if you don't understand this?

>If photographs of children already exist and some guy masturbates to them, does that make him a bad person?

No.

>I think there's nothing wrong with either unless you act on your urges or produce such materials yourself.

Okay? Why are you disagreeing with me then?

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:16:01 2012 No.10254344

>>10254316
Society thinks that there's some kind of "market" of CP where pedos buy it, allowing it to keep existing. Also, the child molesters who make the CP are actually pedophiles and love them, so they rape them. But they don't do it because it feels good, they do it for the money and would stop if no one bought it. Also, 90% of CP is sex and rape and all that shit.

The reality is that no one buys anything, anyone can get it for free (hell, it's the only way) and you can download tons of it without helping the molester in any way. The child molester don't love children, are often fat losers who can't get women and rape kids instead, do it because they like sex and would keep doing it even if they didn't upload the CP to the internet. Also, most CP is just kids being camwhores. Seriously.

But NO ONE can say the truth and crush society's delusion, because if you know the truth that means that you watch CP and it's illegal. And since it's illegal, you are a bad person and deserve to go to jail.

Fuck this world.

(This was posted by another anon in a different IB, I'm not him, etc.)

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:18:01 2012 No.10254346 Could you guys just go discuss this on the ghost board, why isn't the janitor deleting these posts.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:18:16 2012 No.10254345 >>10254310 What are you talking about? I have nothing against 3D pedophiles. I just think there's a difference between them and 2D lolicons.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:26:46 2012 No.10254371

>>10254325
But if we agree about those last parts, I don't see why it should matter whether it's fiction or reality. You're not affecting another human being.

>>10254344
This is a reasonable answer. I don't think it's too unfair to say supply fuels demand, but that wouldn't be a reason for me to have anything against an individual or a type of individual. I don't mind drug users, for example, even though I think a lot of harder drugs should remain illegal.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:29:46 2012 No.10254384

>>10254345
Okay, I agree. I'm sorry but I think I may have made a false assumption that you were saying, "X people are nothing like Y people! Don't group us with those disgusting Y people!"
Fairly hypocritical of me I suppose, but this is a sort of thing I've come across a few times ("We're not pedophiles! We're lolicons! Pedophiles are monsters and we're harmless!")

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:31:31 2012 No.10254389 >>10254371 The point is that, unlike drugs, there's no way to actually buy this kind of thing. If you pirate music, you are harming the industry. If you pirate CP, you are helping its producers. Makes no fucking sense.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:31:46 2012 No.10254390

>>10254371

>But if we agree about those last parts, I don't see why it should matter whether it's fiction or reality. You're not affecting another human being.

It's an important distinguishment for people who don't understand the difference between fiction and reality.

If I was a lolicon (Only liked 2D children) and I told somebody I was a pedophile, they would automatically assume I meant 3D children. It's just to prevent confusion and misunderstandings - Using the term lolicon instead of pedophile helps everybody understand one another.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:33:16 2012 No.10254401 >>10254389 >there's no way to actually buy this kind of thing. There probably is somewhere but I'm guessing it's between small groups or individuals rather than "an industry".

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:35:31 2012 No.10254408

>>10254390
>If I was a lolicon (Only liked 2D children) and I told somebody I was a pedophile, they would automatically assume I meant 3D children.
They will hate you even if you only like 2D. And if they are into anime and shit and don't freak out about lolicon, you can actually have a rational conversation with them and explain why not knowing what pedophilia actually is HARMS both pedophiles and children.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:36:01 2012 No.10254412
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>>10254390
That's fine. Just don't deny you are a pedophile because there is nothing wrong with being one (and I do mean that). Obviously you shouldn't go around shouting "I'm a pedophile!" (though "I'm a lolicon!" wouldn't be much better), but I think it's important we dispel the moral panic myth that being a pedophile is inherently wrong. Lolicons and that study earlier pretty much prove that wrong.

I guess I'd say I'm preaching to the choir, but this discussion did begin with one or two people saying loli isn't pedo. It is, and it's the best kind of pedo.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:36:46 2012 No.10254411 >>10254408 I just wish people would stop being so flustered over people being sexually attracted to children, I guess.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:39:01 2012 No.10254421

>>10254408
I enlightened someone this way. I forgot how weird lolicon was to normal folk, and I mentioned it one day. He gave the usual kneejerk reaction to be shocked and disgusted, then I asked why. He basically couldn't explain it and agreed it was fine. Then I asked why that should not apply to 3D pedophilia. He couldn't explain it rationally (which is fine, rationality isn't everything) but he did concede that looking at pictures shouldn't be a criminal act, no matter how weird he found it.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:39:16 2012 No.10254417
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>>10254412

I just think we need to come up with a term that designates something as 3D pedo instead of 2D pedo. Have a chart that explains what I'm trying to say.

2D pedo != 3D pedo, and there needs to be more recognition of this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:40:01 2012 No.10254427 >>10254421 I wish I knew more sane and rational and logical people like that. Some people genuinely try to justify their belief that looking at child pornography somehow harms the child.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:42:01 2012 No.10254438 >>10254434 But names are important because they help distinguish one thing from a different thing. Have you never read Lao Tsu?

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:42:16 2012 No.10254434

>>10254417
Why do we need a new term? I mean, why can't we just say "pedophiles" here in /jp/? Normal people don't stay here for too long, they won't bitch about it.

If someone wants to point out what kind of pedo they are, they can just say it. We don't need to create a name for each thing.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:42:31 2012 No.10254435

>>10254417
3D pedophile will do if you need to make the distinction. We've used it in this thread and it was clear, and it matches the "cartoon paedophile" article from earlier.

Classifying adjectives/nouns work wonders. I'm a train otaku. Fuck anime.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:43:31 2012 No.10254440 >>10254435 I always wanted to ask a Train Otaku this, but how do you feel about the Train Simulator games?

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:43:46 2012 No.10254442
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"Taylor, Quayle and Holland (2001) also argue that regardless of whether the children portrayed in objectionable images are physically abused during the creation of the images, victimisation occurs each time an image of a child is used for a sexual purpose (including sexual fantasy generation, arousal and masturbation). In effect, this activity encourages non-consensual use of individuals as sexual objects."
- "Internet Traders of Child Pornography and other Censorship Offenders in New Zealand" by Angela Carr (Dept. of Internal Affairs, Wellington, New Zealand, April 2004), citing "Typology of Paedophile Picture Collections" by Max Taylor, Ethel Quayle, and Gemma Holland in The Police Journal, vol. 74, no. 2 (2001), pages 97-107

"Child pornography, by itself, represents an act of sexual abuse or exploitation of a child and, by itself, does harm to that child."
- Kenneth V. Lanning in "Child Molesters: A Behavioral Analysis" (National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, 1992)

"Child pornography is not a computer crime. Every image depicts a child being abused. They are crime-scene photographs."
- Michelle Collins, the director of the Exploited Children Unit of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, as quoted in Edison/Metuchen Sentinel, The Examiner, and The Independent (New Jersey, August 30, 2006) in an article about a man who sexually assaulted boys and girls aged 2 to 8 and videotaped these acts plus placed hidden cameras in rooms where the children undressed

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:44:01 2012 No.10254450
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>>10254446
"It is possible that victims of child pornography suffer as severely if not more severely than other victims of sexual crimes. It is psychologically very devastating, because every time that image is looked at or shared that child is being victimized again and again. The Internet allows these pictures to be shared."
- Kelly Kennedy, a spokesman for the Wisconsin Attorney General's office, as quoted in The Fond Du Lac Reporter (September 7, 2005)

"It does not threaten the First Amendment for the Federal legislature to conclude, for example, that inducing children to engage in sexual activity can physically harm them, and consequently to prohibit the photographing of children who have been induced to do so, and to legislate against the publication and sale of magazines or films in which such photography appears. The publisher and the seller are principals in the abuse."
- "Taking on the Censors" by Robert Sabbag in Oui, January 1978

"The use of children in sexually explicit films is of course criminal exploitation of people who can't defend themselves, and it is cruelty to the children and an offense against the parental feelings of anybody with the slightest amount of sympathetic imagination. I think the makers of such pictures must be tracked down and imprisoned."
- "Dr. Ruth's Guide for Married Lovers" by Dr. Ruth Westheimer (Warner Books, 1986)

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:44:16 2012 No.10254446
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>>10254442
"It cannot be emphasised enough that behind every horrid piece of child pornography is a tragic case of an abused defenceless child, somewhere in the world."
- Chris Ellison, Australian Senator and Minister for Justice and Customs, as quoted in The Age (Melbourne, Australia, February 23, 2005)

"It's chilling to realize that every photo on every page of every child pornography magazine... is a permanent record of the works of a child molester."
- William V. Roth, U.S. Senator from Delaware and Chairman of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, in Spring 1985, as quoted in The Los Angeles Times (September 16, 1985)

"While little is known about the specific long-term effects of use in child pornography, the immediate trauma and effects of sexual abuse on children is well documented. Because child pornography is a clear record of child sex abuse, its victims would therefore experience the same emotional and physical consequences in addition to any harm resulting from the pornography. ... Child victims of pornography face the possibility of a lifetime of victimization because the pornography can be distributed indefinitely. Physical, psychological, and emotional effects of child sexual abuse are coupled with the possibility of the pornography resurfacing. Being photographed during sexual abuse intensifies the child's shame, humiliation, and powerlessness."
- "Child Pornography: The Criminal-Justice-System Response" by E. Klain, et al. (National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, 2001), http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/publications/NC81.pdf

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:44:31 2012 No.10254447 >>10254442 Land of the Free, huh?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:45:01 2012 No.10254456 >>10254450 >>10254446 >>10254442 Why do you think posting a bunch of quotes that aren't actually in any way logical will help you make your point?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:45:31 2012 No.10254453 >>10254421 I just find it sad. Why are there words that make people lose their ability to think rationally? If it was a natural thing, like death, then fine. But pedophilia? Its ability to mentally disable people is artificial and illogical.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:46:31 2012 No.10254459 >>10254450 >It is psychologically very devastating, because every time that image is looked at or shared that child is being victimized again and again. Note: victims of child abuse are psychic.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:47:01 2012 No.10254468 >>10253464 Why were you sitting on the wall?

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:48:01 2012 No.10254472

>>10254453
>Its ability to mentally disable people is artificial and illogical.

I suppose it could be in the same way other sexual disorders and paraphilias are. Even without outside pressure, some people might become very distressed by it. They might be unable to comfortably walk around outside or be near children.

Of course this sort of thing isn't a default part of being a pedophile, but it is a part of "pedophilic disorder" (thankfully renamed from just "pedophilia" in the latest DSM).

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:49:46 2012 No.10254478 >>10254442 >>10254446 >>10254450 The kid is victimized when people make a big fucking deal about it. And that's only in very few cases. Most cases are just kids being camwhores without anyone forcing them behind the shadows.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:50:16 2012 No.10254483 File: 50 KB, 712x480, mint.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10254459 Some are anon . . . some are

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:53:01 2012 No.10254500

>>10254472
Wait, wait, wait.

>other sexual disorders and paraphilias are
It isn't a sexual disorder nor a paraphilia. It's a perfectly healthy sexual orientation as far as the own person is concerned.

>some people might become very distressed by it
No, it's not a fucking disease. People become distressed because hearing so much bullshit everywhere makes you want to kill every single one of them.

>DSM
Political tool, it isn't worth shit.

And you misunderstood my entire post. I was talking about how the WORD "pedophilia" mentally disables everyone who hears it, making them unable to think rationally just because that's the social norm.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:59:01 2012 No.10254522

>>10254500
>It isn't a sexual disorder nor a paraphilia. It's a perfectly healthy sexual orientation as far as the own person is concerned.
It's a paraphilia, look up the meaning of the word. It has become a loaded word though, so sorry if I gave off the wrong impression.

>No, it's not a fucking disease. People become distressed because hearing so much bullshit everywhere makes you want to kill every single one of them.
Homosexuality is fine now, but a lot of people get really upset when they discover they're gay, even if they have liberal/supportive family and friends. Hell I used to be distressed because I was a horny teenager and I kept looking at girls in lewd ways, even though society says being sexually attracted to females is fine.

>And you misunderstood my entire post. I was talking about how the WORD "pedophilia" mentally disables everyone who hears it, making them unable to think rationally just because that's the social norm.
Gomen gomen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:01:01 2012 No.10254527 real children nude=BAD (kids were harmed) cartoon children nude=A-OK.(no one at all was harmed) Anime characters whether they're children or adults don't even look like humans so it really is completely different.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:04:16 2012 No.10254544 File: 342 KB, 991x762, Holocaust-bodies-of-Jewish-victims.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10254527 >real children nude=BAD (kids were harmed) Not for the viewer. Pic related. You are committing genocide right now.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:09:01 2012 No.10254587

>>10254522
>In 1981 an article published in American Journal of Psychiatry described paraphilia as "recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors generally involving:

>Non-human objects
>The suffering or humiliation of oneself or one's partner
>Children
>Non-consenting persons

"Recurrent", "intense", "behavior". It has nothing to do with pedophilia.

Also, children are only in that list because they are "non-consenting persons". What is consent anyways? It's just a legal thing. A change on laws won't change my brain and I'm damn sure that what I've got there is a sexual orientation.

Also, I can love a child. Paraphilias don't have anything to do with love as far as I know. I'm not sure, though.

>Gays
I respect them, but I also hate how they are all brainwashed into thinking pedophilia is bad. Wouldn't they be able to notice something?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:09:31 2012 No.10254585 >>10254527 Nudity doesn't harm children. H-have you been brainwashed?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:09:46 2012 No.10254586 >>10254544 Something is off. That doesn't look like a concentration camp, and those kids do not seem to have been exeuted. I see no soldiers either. What is the context here?

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:10:31 2012 No.10254590

>>10254544
Are you retarded? To create that picture PEOPLE WERE KILLED. To create a picture of a child being rape THEY WERE HURT. Doesnt matter if the current viewer did it or not. IT HAPPENED. You fucking dumbass. I can't tell if you're a troll or truly an autistic jpsie.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:12:47 2012 No.10254602 >>10254590 The child wasn't raped for the sole purpose of creating the picture. And these pictures are like a needle in a desert. Most of them were taken by the children themselves, alone.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:14:01 2012 No.10254620 >>10254590 then why the HELL does it matter after the fact? i didn't do shit to that little girl. why should i get arrested for looking at pictures?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:15:01 2012 No.10254625 >>10254602 > like a needle in a desert. You can't combine two sayings. That's cheating.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:15:01 2012 No.10254627 >>10254587 You have to be a sociopath to think that children even know or understand what you are doing to them. It messes them up. Ever heard that story about why you should not help a butterfly break out of its chrysalis?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:17:46 2012 No.10254639 >>10254627 What you don't know can't hurt ya.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:19:16 2012 No.10254646 >>10254627 I'm not doing anything to them. Pedophilia by itself is perfectly normal. And there are children who do things with other children. Are they both raped by each other? Or would the little boy be the rapist?

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:19:16 2012 No.10254647

>>10254587
Why are you allowed to reference psychiatric materials but I'm not? No fair!

That's a specialized definition, not its general use. Similar example: "normal" means a different thing to a statistician than a sociologist, even though the meanings are similar and share an etymology.

Again, the DSM claimed being stressed is a criteria for "pedophilia", when that obviously isn't the case (just for "pedophilia" as a disorder).

It's a paraphilia because it's an irregular attraction.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:22:31 2012 No.10254664

>>10254639
This brings up a good point. Say I don't keep it to myself. Say I tweet:
>just fapped to sara_03.avi. thx for the pics @madthad
and Miss Sara reads it. I made the tweet with no intent of harassing her, but now she knows. She might be a little upset because I've put the image into her head of a fat neckbeard jacking it to her cute, undeveloped vulva.

Am I then accountable? Have I affected the girl in a way I should be punished/blamed for, or should people be expected to net get upset by this kind of thing?

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:24:46 2012 No.10254679

>>10254647
I don't even agree with any psychiatric materials related to pedophilia. They are all bullshit. No one has ever done a serious study about it, it's all, all, all bullshit.

Wikipedia calls pedophilia "a psychiatric disorder" just because the actual pedophiles won't come out to let anyone study them (and ruin their lives). The only people who have ever been studied are the imprisoned child molesters who aren't even pedophiles, just assholes. THAT's where the definition came from.

>It's a paraphilia because it's an irregular attraction
Why isn't homosexuality one? And don't say anything about consent because that's just something that society made up.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:25:46 2012 No.10254686 >>10254679 >Why isn't homosexuality one? Because it became regular. Not even joking, that's the reason. Pedosexuality may be a thing by the 2070s, but not in our lifetime.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:26:01 2012 No.10254691

>>10254664
You harmed nobody, and all that shit is just a social stigma because some people still think this is 1830.
Jacking off to people is what we do. A child would care less about being jacked off to than an older person would. Imagine all the bitching.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:34:16 2012 No.10254722 File: 75 KB, 800x600, 00021.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10254691 >You harmed nobody B-But I upset a little girl...

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:34:31 2012 No.10254725 >>10254602 High schoolers yeah they take pictures themselves. But 6 year olds dont fucking take naked pictures of themselves and then post it on the internet. Thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:35:01 2012 No.10254730 >>10254722 It's only because shes conditioned to think that dudes jacking off to her is wrong. And if she's not American, she most likely doesn't care.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:37:16 2012 No.10254734 >>10254730 I think dudes jacking off to her is wrong, but I would have no problem with dudes jacking off to me. Explain this, armchair psychologists.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:38:46 2012 No.10254743 >>10254679 I find homosexuality and pedophilia both awful for one reason. Pretty much the point of any living creature is to survive and reproduce. Well little kids and same sex couples cant do any reproducing so they're both terrible.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:39:46 2012 No.10254748 >>10254734 You're a homosexual.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:40:46 2012 No.10254752 >>10254748 Holy shit, you might be right. This never even occurred to me before. Thanks, Anon.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:42:31 2012 No.10254757
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>>10254743
This is dumb. Heterosexual humans fuck for pleasure. You may as well stop eating delicious food because "the point of food is to stay alive".

No sir, God made the anus an erogenous zone for a reason.

>>	RapeWhistle(Weirdos Tru Tru) !P0IfHjzAm. Sun Dec 23 23:42:46 2012 No.10254762 This thread got fucking weird

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:43:01 2012 No.10254767 File: 27 KB, 426x599, armchairpsych.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10254734 W-well...uhhm uh.. I can explain it just gimme a minute.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:44:31 2012 No.10254770

“Child pornography is great,” the man said enthusiastically. “Politicians do not understand file sharing, but they understand child pornography, and they want to filter that to score points with the public. Once we get them to filter child pornography, we can get them to extend the block to file sharing.”

The date was May 27, 2007, and the man was Johan Schlüter, head of the Danish Anti-Piracy Group (Antipiratgruppen). He was speaking in front of an audience where the press had not been invited; it was assumed to be copyright industry insiders only. It wasn’t. Christian Engström, who’s now a Pirate Member of the European Parliament, net activist Oscar Swartz, and I were also there.

“My friends,” Schlüter said. “We must filter the Internet to win over online file sharing. But politicians don’t understand that file sharing is bad, and this is a problem for us. Therefore, we must associate file sharing with child pornography. Because that’s something the politicians understand, and something they want to filter off the Internet.”

“We are developing a child pornography filter in cooperation with the IFPI and the MPA so we can show politicians that filtering works,” he said. “Child pornography is an issue they understand.” Schlüter grinned broadly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:47:31 2012 No.10254781 >>10254770 >Child pornography is great That is the best way to open your point ever.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:48:31 2012 No.10254788 File: 42 KB, 480x343, loo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Did moot make it yet? We can take all our fights there.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:49:31 2012 No.10254796 >>10254106 What's this from?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:50:31 2012 No.10254802 VNTS thread is now about pedos. (Btw i'm both a lolicon and a pedophile, am i cool yet).

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:52:46 2012 No.10254812 >>10254757 Take a fucking biology class. Theres a reason why most people are attracted to only the opposite sex.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:52:46 2012 No.10254814 >>10254802 Maybe we can re-rail the thread talking about loli VNs yeah?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:57:16 2012 No.10254835 File: 108 KB, 1152x720, 201210222246570bd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Who Ren here?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 00:07:46 2012 No.10254896 >>10254725 >6 year olds Add two more years. I've seen it with my own eyes. Many times.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 00:12:17 2012 No.10254913 >>10254835 Did it ever actually say how old they were, or are they just "18 by the will of the universe"?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 00:14:17 2012 No.10254922 >>10254725 Ah, the ignorance.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 00:15:47 2012 No.10254930 >>10254835 translated when?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 00:17:47 2012 No.10254936 >>10254922 I know 3 kids aged 5-8 and they don't even know how to turn the computer on let alone post pictures to the internet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 00:19:17 2012 No.10254945 >>10254930 Once VNTS guy pulls some strings! Wink wink! People want this translated! N-no rush though.

Anonymous Mon Dec 24 00:26:33 2012 No.10254979

>>10254936
I've seen more than 30 russian, american, etc. lolis aged 8-12 doing that shit. They don't usually take pictures, they just strip in front of a webcam and people see it in some weird russian website. I don't actually know the name.

Of course, the spectators are the ones who upload it to the deep web.

Anonymous Mon Dec 24 00:27:02 2012 No.10254984

>>10254913
There's a huge screen when launching the game that states that everyone is 18, so yeah, that. Only a few doujin titles have the balls to actually put names on characters under 18, since it usually drastically limits where you can sell it, both online and retail. That's partially because of software ethics board (sofurin), and sites and stores having their own rules towards what they are willing to carry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 00:29:17 2012 No.10254994 >>10254984 The fact that 18 is their canon age ruins my boner. It's weird because I often deny canon that ruins a series, like most Harry Potter books.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 00:33:02 2012 No.10255021 >>10254994 Just pretend its a lie and they are actually 5. (because its true)

Anonymous Mon Dec 24 00:40:17 2012 No.10255045
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>>10254994
Harry Potter became shit after the third book.

And the third book was ruined by the movie, where the still cute 13 years old Hermione from the book was replaced by a 15-16 years old Emma Watson. I can't stop seeing scenes from the movie in my head when I read the book, and it makes me sad to have Hermione's loliness ruined (she's still pretty, though), Harry and Ron with retarded hairstyles and annoying faces, etc.

So the third book isn't canon. Ooooh, too bad the series ended with the second book for X reason! I wish the autor would continue the story, I loved it as a kid!

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 00:42:32 2012 No.10255054 >>10254979 >>Russian. Of course they'll do it. They need food money.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 00:51:02 2012 No.10255087 >>10255054 They are poor and their childhood lasts longer. I'd post the cutest russian girl ever, but people would bitch about 3DPD and kill me. Should I just keep her to myself?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 00:54:32 2012 No.10255097 What the hell did you all do to this thread? Even a Cudder post that incited a flame war would be better than this dreck. Please don't break this thread apart, it's too valuable for that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 01:02:32 2012 No.10255112 >>10255087 I sure hope its not floretta. Cause she's been saying shes 13 for like 3 years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 01:05:02 2012 No.10255123 >>10255097 Shrek is dreck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 01:05:47 2012 No.10255122 >>10255097 I think the worst part is that nothing has been done about this derail.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 01:09:02 2012 No.10255134 File: 72 KB, 598x604, 13559837j34906.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10255112 Nah, it's Lera. She's 11, almost 12, but she looks like a 9-10 years old because she's from Ukrania. Spoilered for 3D.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 01:10:02 2012 No.10255135 >>10254835 Entry-level loli. True patrician lolicons fap to shit like Pinpoint's ドスケベビッチな○学生 series or stuff from Shiritsu Sakuranbo Shougakou.

Anonymous Mon Dec 24 01:11:02 2012 No.10255138

>>10254994
It's not really canon though, their age never comes up in the game proper. It plays it fairly safe (loli symbolism is out because of sofurin, like randsel and uniforms), but it's pretty obvious still. I dunno how many 18 year olds still color things in with crayons...

Anonymous Mon Dec 24 01:12:32 2012 No.10255139 [SPOILER]

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>>10255134
Also, here she is with a bit of makeup.

I don't usually like lolis with makeup, it makes them look like women. But she is just too cute and managed to look good anyways.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 01:13:32 2012 No.10255141 >>10255138 Wait, where is that game from and why do they need to censor it and make everyone 18? Don't tell me it's from Japan...

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 01:27:47 2012 No.10255172 File: 684 KB, 810x648, kodomo_milk_parfait.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10255135 Too bad Sakuranbou hasn't done anything good recently. They did a few good titles back in the day.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 01:33:47 2012 No.10255180 >>10255134 Does SHE smell like crayons?

Anonymous Mon Dec 24 01:38:02 2012 No.10255194

>>10255172
Yeah, their last great title was Shiiko Love and that was like 3 years ago. Kagikko Shoujo was pretty dark for them and the artwork was really freaking weird how they tried to make it animated.

Anyone play Crossover yet? Kodomo no Himitsu and Houkago Nyan Nyan club were both pretty good.

I just wish they'd get on with Route of Ichigo already dammit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 01:42:34 2012 No.10255201 >>10255134 She doesn't look 9 at all. She looks like 12-13. I have two sisters so I've seen them and their friends a lot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 01:44:49 2012 No.10255207 >>10255201 Well, she looked 9 in older pics. I like her better now, though. 10yo girls look just like her in my country, where are you from?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 01:46:19 2012 No.10255210 I like where this thread is going. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVRdhg6biN0

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 01:47:34 2012 No.10255214 >>10255134 Man I'd lick the shit out of her.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 02:06:19 2012 No.10255249 >>10255214 Dude, she's a kid...

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 02:11:04 2012 No.10255269 >>10255194 Is all that shit in english?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 02:13:04 2012 No.10255273 >>10255269 As always, if you have to ask, the answer is no.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 02:19:04 2012 No.10255301 This was a beautiful thread.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 03:30:31 2012 No.10255480 can anyone link me to sauce for Full Metal Daemon Muramasa Google and Nyaa give nothing :_;

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 03:39:31 2012 No.10255503 >>10255480 A link to the game, you mean? There are multiple torrents for it on Nyaa.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 04:03:31 2012 No.10255547 >>10255301 Someone can make a new one if they feel like it

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 05:50:31 2012 No.10255725 >>10255301 Yotsuba Blue no VNTS ～what a beatiful thread～

Cudder !MhMRSATORI!!fR8duoqGZdD Mon Dec 24 06:31:32 2012 No.10255802

>>10251109
And then probably decided to take a holiday break.

Unlike you lazy asses, we actually have work to do in the real world. This stuff is just to fill up the time when we have extra. That's why we don't complain loudly when some VN or something isn't exactly the way we like it. It's just entertainment. Notice how I'm not reading /jp/ much anymore either?

That is also why the ETA for KNNWSNY is likely going to move again.

Anonymous Mon Dec 24 06:58:32 2012 No.10255846

What the fuck. Another VNTS thread down the shitter, and that's on a fucking Monday. Couldn't you just discuss dictionary definitions somewhere else?

Anyway, since it's going to be remade (I hope), my autism forces me to note that there are many VNs in "Title- status" form while the correct one is "Title - status".
I suggest replacing "- " with " - " and then replace " - " with " - " to get rid of double spaces, VNTS-kun.
Also, there's kb vs. KB inconsistency, everything should be KB instead (we aren't talking about kilobits here)

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 07:04:32 2012 No.10255854 >>10255846 >Also, there's kb vs. KB inconsistency, everything should be KB instead (we aren't talking about kilobits here) If we're going to get pedantic, they should actually be KiB.

Anonymous Mon Dec 24 07:33:32 2012 No.10255896

4chan ate my doublespace in the second replacement, it should've been "(space)(space)-(space)" to "(space)-(space)", obviously.

>>10255854
While true, that'd be asking for "wtf is KiB" useless posts and just as useless replies. So I'm willing to compromise.

And here's another suggestion: use "X patch released" for everything that came out this week and "X patch available" for everything released last week and earlier. It's making unclear whether patch release is responsible for greentexting or just a percentage change.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 07:43:32 2012 No.10255914 >>10255802 Cudder <3

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 08:54:32 2012 No.10256087 >>10255802 Cudder-tan, are you on Aaeru's side?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 09:27:32 2012 No.10256186 New thread: >>10256182

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