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Do your reps!

>> No.10165675
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>> No.10165679

>>10165675
Holly hell, are your cards just one reading or some shit?
Don't tell me you do 100 kanji + all the jukugo in 13 minutes.

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>>10165679
Nah, it's just two Japanese Core decks. I'm the dude who's always asking if I should just power through that second deck and never does it. Only 180 cards to go!

I'm really loving the decks, but I wish I had a way to grind kanji faster. But I'm afraid the Core decks might have broken me in a way. I believe an anon suggested to me some time ago in a previous thread that I'd download some JLPT decks to complement the Cores, but not only do the JLPT decks come with a deluge of information compared to the Core ones, they also have no sentence examples built in, no photos of a real life situation as to which the kanji apply to, and no guy or lady reading it to you.

I know it's really stupid to nitpick on things like that but eh, I'll stick to what I have until I find a way to broaden the range of my vocabulary.

>> No.10165798
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We should have an "improve yourself" general thread, as a counterbalance to all the NEET threads.

I'm saying this since months... but most of people don't want to listen.

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I'll do some extra reps. I try to average it out to 6-7 hours of grinding a day at least.

>> No.10165823

>>10165798
Anyone that actually wants to improve themselves is already doing it. Words aren't going to make anyone stop procrastinating. It would be pointless.

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>>10165798
they'll never understand their own potential

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When the fuck am I gonna be able to read shit?

>> No.10165864

>>10165847
two years

>> No.10165866

>Studied 268 cards in 35 minutes today
>Total cards: 2403
>Total new cards: 110
Soon... It should be over before New Year at least.

>> No.10165868

>>10165847
When you've mastered basic grammar.

So about a month or three.

At that point, you are like a baby with a soft, jelly-like brain. You know the structure of the sentences but not the words.
Now you go and learn words one at a time like you did when you were a child so that a simple structure becomes something you can read.

>> No.10165872

I have 4 decks at the moment

1) My Kanji - Everyday i take 10 kanji from kanjidamage, put it into anki, and learn
2) My words - Each day i take atleast 20 words from the (3000 most frequently used japanese words) website and put it into anki
3) My sentences - Each day i take 10-20 sentences from a source, usually a textbook.
4) All the core2Xk decks

Is there any other decks i should pick up?

>> No.10165882

So do you guys do this for the challenge or for work or what?

>> No.10165885

>>10165882
always nice to learn another language

>> No.10165886

The fuck? Does KA do Japanese?

I did all the finance/economics lessons, they were awesome.

>> No.10165893

Anyone got any opinion on pimsleur's Japanese?

I just listened to the first half hour lesson and like the format.

>> No.10165896

>>10165866
I have 124 cards left in my grammar deck as well.
But the reviews are overwhelming me since it's a production deck. So I can barely do 10 new cards/day, and I want to slow down even more.
It'll end soon.

Doing core2k should be easier after thoroughly finishing tae kim and rtk1, no? I figure I'll start consuming media after I finish all 3 materials.

>>10165882
For the games. Maybe porn too.

>> No.10165905

>>10165885
Why not a good language like Korean?

>> No.10165906

>>10165905
Why even Korean? Surely the only worthwhile languages are english, spanish and chinese

>> No.10165914

>>10165906
Just English and Spanish really. Chinese is too difficult and the Indians don't speak one language.

>> No.10165925

So I blasted through the kana and am trying to start Kanjidamage.

It works ok but I'm having difficulty associating more than one meaning with the kanji, and I'm not just talking about the onyomi and kunyomi, but the english meaning of the kanji as well(and you can forget Jukugo for now). It's really hard to even get through 20 Kanji in a day, and they aren't stuck in my head by any means at that point, it's really bad once you consider that for 99% of them I only absorb the Onyomi and the english meaning, Kunyomi is lost in the ether.

Is Kanjidamage a poor method for me? Any recommendations? Hell, should I be attempting to learn grammar at the same time as Kanji?

>> No.10165930

Is there an undisputed champion website that I should go to for trying to learn another language?

>> No.10165934

>>10165914
Why spanish? It's not like they have any good media. And probably most people in south america can speak english to an extent.

>> No.10165943

>>10165934
Many people speak it and they do produce films and music though I'm not convinced it's any good.

>> No.10165947

>>10165882
I aim to pass the JLPT N1 on the year I get my Master's degree, besides most of my entertainement is in japanese so why the hell not
>>10165905
Now you are just trolling.

>> No.10165955

>>10165947
What's your "major" as they say in America?

>> No.10165958

>>10165925
For how long do you study every day? I've finished KD with both onyomi, kunyomi and english meaning.

I did 20-40 a day, and did rereviews almost every day aswell, from 1-XXXX and so on. Gets really tough to retain everything by the time you get to 1000+

Just try to force that shit into your skull by putting down hours of work on it until you get everything correct, and it'll work itself out.

>> No.10165957

>>10165882

Every language has it's own logic, priorities and it reflects the culture of its people.

Understanding (not just speaking) more languages makes your mind more flexible, especially when the language comes from a very different cultural background than yours, like Japanese.

>> No.10165960

>>10165955
What do they call it outside america?

>> No.10165963

Spanish is not relevant.
About 90% of spanish speakers are actually some poor latino americans who are farmers or some shit, you won't make that much business.
And well, the other 10% is Spain.
But Spain is a shithole. Trust my words, I'm Spanish.
Just learn English, Japanese, Chinese and German.

Koreans don't need foreigners to learn their language. I'm quite sure if kids are exposed of 16 of school and cram then they'll learn english quite decently.

>> No.10165964

>>10165960
Course or degree, I suppose

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>>10165955
Comp. Sci.

>> No.10165972

>>10165965
I suppose a second language is always good on a CV.

>> No.10165978

>>10165925
Okay, first, don't worry about the english meaning of the kanji.
Don't.
Stop.
Stop right now.
This isn't German, or Spanich, or French.
Just stop.
Stop associating anything English at all with Japanese. It will only make you stupid.

雨 see this? This is あめ, not ame, not rain, fucking 雨.

Apart from that, study words not kanji. You'll see shitheads, bumblefucks who run 'round and go "I know 17,000 kanji, I'm fucking king of Japan."

Read KD's section on compounds, apply yourself critically, and you'll understand why the phrase "I know n+1 kanji" is like saying "I know that there are 117 elements on the periodic table" it means fucking nothing if you don't know how they go together and in what ways they can go together.

>> No.10165979

Does the JLPT test your abilities in writing kanji, or is it just reading and listening for the vocab part?

>> No.10165996

>>10165958
Hmph, not quite in a position to do hours a day. I've been doing an hour a day, with the largely futile goal of 20 per day. It gets bogged down by reviewing the stuff I haven't retained though.

I think much of the problem is his mnemonics cover the onyomi, english meaning, and general structure/appearance of the kanji, but NEVER the kunyomi.

I guess I'll just punch through harder.

>> No.10165998

>>10165963
>poor latino americans
You racist scum, the very little money you have is wealth you come to steal here. Just get your shitty companies out of here and we won't be poor anymore.

>> No.10166013

>>10165978
shit method

Have fun memorizing abstract patterns of kanji positioning instead.

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History

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZG9NXmuCaE

>> No.10166020

>>10165998
>racist
No one talked about race here.
>the very little money you have is wealth you come to steal here.
>and we won't be poor anymore.
[citation needed]. And with this I'm not saying it's true/false good/bad this happens.

>> No.10166028

>>10165979
reading listening and multiple choice shit
you don't write anything other than your name and circles

>> No.10166036

>>10166028
Do you have to write your name in Japanese at least?

>> No.10166037

>>10165998
>Just get your shitty companies

All of those companies are owned by Jews.

>> No.10166040

>>10165978
I've been very averse to associating english with it for that reason, I think that's the problem I'm having with KD. The KD mnemonics all pretty much require you to know his stated english meaning for the component kanji to "build" the more complicated ones, that's the basis of his method unfortunately.

I'd prefer to avoid it, but I'm not certain there's an easier way overall, since it does make it piss easy to distinguish radicals in larger kanji.

As for studying words, I'll give it a shot and pay more attention to the Jukugo as I go along. I just thought that was something for later/review since he inevitably invokes kanji that haven't come up yet for the example jukugo in the early ones.

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>>10165998
>muh racism

>> No.10166046

>>10166040
>mnemonics

People actually do this shit?

>> No.10166050

>>10166046
Yes, they do.

>> No.10166061

>>10166046
Yes, many people find them very helpful. It's nice that pure rote works for you, though.

>> No.10166068

>>10166040
I like KD's "method" simply because of its organization. I realize a lot of it relies on knowing English in the mnemonics, but unfortunately, for me, at least the mnemonics just ended up slowing me down. Or worse, I'd end up remembering the mnemonic but not the meaning of the kanji. "Don't fuck around with blades when you're twisted on gin." is stuck in my head for all eternity but I can't for fuck remember what kanji it's supposed to be.

It's why I advocate studying words that use your kanji of the day instead of mnemonics. If you see a bunch of compounds that all use the same kanji, and that kanji is always the same pronunciation, you start to get it in your head better than using a mnemonic, plus you get vocabulary at the same time. Sure, you might not know what the other kanji in the vocabulary are, but that'll come in time.

But you should also keep a separate deck for asshole words, because you shouldn't be fucked remember all possible readings for a kanji when 10 of them aren't used anymore, 1 is used in exactly one context and the other one is used all day everyday forever. Just remember the word that's an asshole instead.

>> No.10166074

I don't know how to use KD.

What are you supposed to do, exactly? Read an entire page, click the next button, read another page, and so on and so forth? Are you supposed to make flash cards out of this? Are you meant to come back every day and start it all over from the first kanji until you have them all memorized? Or are you supposed to find a kanji you don't know yet, then find it with denshi's search-by-radical tool, and paste it in the search bar following the same steps?

I don't get it. If it's like that, then it's not intuitive to do so at all. You can't create an account at the website, so it has no way of tracking your progress, and that turns the whole thing into some sort of Anki deck you can't keep track of mechanically.

>> No.10166075

>>10166074
KD actually has an anki deck
You can search for it right in your anki browser
You read
You remember
You move on to the next

>> No.10166084

I will tell you people how I did Heisig, and perhaps that will help you do KD if you're having trouble.

1. Go to the new kanji that you are to learn (start at the first and go straight through to the end, in order).
2. Get a grasp of the mnemonic and write the kanji about 5 or 6 times repeating the mnemonic.
3. Move on to the next kanji and repeat until you have done however many you wish to do.
4. Wait a few hours for some spacing effect.
5. Open up Anki and run the new kanji through it. On the first appearance I would write the kanji three times, then click 10 min., and on the second appearance I would write it once, then click 1 day. Do this for however many you learned.
6. On the next time they are due for review in Anki, look at the keyword and then write the kanji once. Don't study from kanji -> keyword, but study from keyword -> kanji, and make sure to write it.

I imagine the same thing would work well for KD.

>> No.10166104

>>10166074
Back when I memorized kanji off KD, I used to keep, say, 20 tabs open with new kanji, and then I minimized the window so I could only see the tabs with the kanji on them.

Had some script that enlarged the tab font size which made every radical readable.

After that I just switched tab after every kanji I went through in my head.

Reason I did it this way was because of the Kanjidamage deck being outdated and not having all the same definitions as the kanji on the site.

Also because it let me grind stuff without any kind of limits, so I could go on for hours instead of having some limiter like Anki has. I'm now aware that you can create custom decks out of the original deck, and you can apply various options to it, so you cram stuff like forgotten cards. I didn't know that back then though.

I heavely use that feature now when I do vocab grinds.

>> No.10166136

I'm so lost.

>> No.10166137

>>10166136
What do you need help with?

>> No.10166148

>>10165798

>general thread

No thanks, we don't need any circle-jerk threads. That's what generals always devolve in to.

>> No.10166152

How many push ups should the average male be able to do?

>> No.10166153

>>10166104
Did you even learn to write them?

>> No.10166154

>>10166148
The board has plenty of general thread already in case you haven't noticed.

>> No.10166168

>>10166153
By hand? Why would I want to do that? All I wanted to do was to play eroge, and nothing more.

I already know around ~7000 words by now, and can pretty much read the usual school life crap easily.

Aiming to finish the Japanese CorePlus deck, which has 25k words.

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