/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

This is hopeless...

[Anonymous No.]

The text seems pretty simple but just has stuff added to make it sound cuter.

[Anonymous No.]

dumb kansai accent

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck off, weeb.

Hablamos espanol aqui

[Anonymous No.]

better learn ur jap before its too late

[Anonymous No.]

Learn Japanaese, idiot.

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>>10158986
Easier said than done...

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>>10159002
If you are dedicated you will be able to read VNs in 6 months.

[Anonymous No.]

hopeless situation warrior.

At least add the names in ATLAS.

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>>10158984
>>10158986
why do you fags make it sound so easy? It takes 2 or 3 years to learn it. I'm 18 yo, am i still in time to learn Japanese? ;_;

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>>10159015
>It takes 2 or 3 years to learn it.

Not to play video games, it doesn't.

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>>10159005
What method would you suggest then?

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>>10159028
Note that this will not make you fluent, and it will not help you with conversing with Japanese people or watching anime, but just reading. Listening will come over time and speaking can really only be learned well if you have someone to speak to.

How to read Japanese as quickly as possible:

1. Learn kana using whatever method. This should take two days. Heisig works fine if you need mnemonics for it.
2. Grind through RTK1 w/ supplement. This should take you no longer than three months.
3. Go through an intensive grammar book, like Introduction to Modern Japanese. If the book is good you should leave with a good knowledge of grammar and 2,000+ words vocab. Take your time with this so you understand.

Now you can read. You will be slow and you'll be looking up words a lot, though, but this will decrease over time as you learn more and grow in fluency. Grind core 2000 and 6000 decks on the side if you wish to help with vocab and more listening/sentence practice.

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>>10159028
Turn on Mecab and edick too, and try to memorize the words that come up.

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>>10159039
Oh, and when I say it won't make you fluent, I don't mean that you'll never be fluent. But as far as reading goes, fluency will take time. The more you read the better you will get.

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>>10159015

It's never too late to learn a language, but the more you feel the need to whine, the farther you are from succeeding.

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>>10159039
this is dumb. you're dumb. why would you try to grind vocab before grammar? why would you want to grind vocab at all? the best thing op can do is have patience with what he's already doing.

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>>10159109
Did you even fucking read my post? Where did I say grind vocab before grammar? Please show me. I said to learn the vocabulary given to you in the grammar book while you are going through it.

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>>10159112
Also the reason I made a note of the amount of vocabulary is because I assume that most people, when they start reading, would prefer to not look up every single fucking word they read. If you come to it with a small base already, it will slightly lessen the hurt. You're already going to have to look up a lot.

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>>10159112
most people would assume that step 2 comes before step 3

>>10159135
spending months trying to memorize a dictionary is way harder than having to look words up as you go. it's better to expand your vocabulary in a practical way than trying to learn unrelated words off a list.

is this why the japs suck at english? because they try to learn the same braindead way people here are saying to learn japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

I know it's nothing substantial, but how exactly would you translate ったらーん ?

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>>10159152
>most people would assume that step 2 comes before step 3

Learning kanji is not the same as learning vocabulary, idiot.

>spending months trying to memorize a dictionary

Again, RTK does not teach you vocab. I don't think you understand what kanji are or the difficulty that they cause for people. Are you even studying Japanese or you just spewing nonsense?

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>>10159087
>but the more you feel the need to whine, the farther you are from succeeding.
Not him but this is the best advice I've seen on /jp/.

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>>10159167
learning runes is vocabulary the same way you have to learn how to spell in other languages. just because it's a shitty archaic system doesn't mean you have to go full retard.

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>>10159166
ttaran *see translators note

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>>10159245
You're a fucking idiot or a troll. I'll ask again, are you even studying Japanese?

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>>10159267
Learning "every" kanji before anything else seems kinda overkill, and at least not very encouraging to beginner. I doubt that some of the rarer kanji are used in typical visual novels, and can be looked up when encountered.

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>>10159267
you're the idiot if you think learning that 東方 is pronounced "2hu" and means "east" is somehow not the same as learning vocabulary. just because it's made of stupid little squiggles instead of being spelled out doesn't change the fact that you're learning a word.

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>>10159331
Sure you will learn some that you will not come across very often, but methods like Heisig or KD break kanji down into primitives or radicals and build through that. As in, introduce a new primitive and then put it with everything you already know to get as many new kanji as we can, then introduce a new primitive, etc. If you learn by frequency or something else, you will be learning complicated kanji early and will have no benefit of being able to break them down. You'll be making things more complicated and harder for yourself.

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>>10159341
I said to use RTK1. Can you show me where RTK1 teaches jukugo or on-yomi? It doesn't teach that, and it doesn't teach vocab. Are you trolling? Just tell me if you are.

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>>10159342
What bothers me in Heisig's book is
1.) Weird keywords ("St. Bernhards dog", "but of course")
2.) Far fetched or otherwise stupid stories, combined with incessant blabbering.
3.) Why not at least the kun-reading at the same time as the kanji? I can understand not wanting to learn the chinese readings as they're kinda useless by themselves.

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I'm confused as to why RTK is the most downloaded deck, when it has no readings included and is very basic, I know you should be using it in combination with the book, but that doesn't have readings either and seems fairly bare bones.

Can anyone recommend a good deck for anki, or should I just get RTK and add readings myself

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>>10159382
>1.) Weird keywords ("St. Bernhards dog", "but of course")

St. Bernard dog is used as a primitive not a keyword.

>2.) Far fetched or otherwise stupid stories, combined with incessant blabbering.

You'll make up your own stories for most of the book. I guess you didn't get very far? He mainly just supplies the primitives for you to build with. Of course you can always just pick from the user-created stories at kanji.koohii.com

>3.) Why not at least the kun-reading at the same time as the kanji? I can understand not wanting to learn the chinese readings as they're kinda useless by themselves.

Divide and conquer

>>10159394
You can learn readings through vocab. RTK2 has readings but most people skip it in favor of vocab. If you really want to learn readings at the same time use Kanji Damage, but it only has mnemonics for on-yomi.

[Anonymous No.]

Most eroge use over 2000 kanji. Of course even if you "know" that many kanji you still won't be able to read anything unless you know actual words. Grinding vocab seems like a better idea than grinding kanji, but if you're going to grind kanji at least use kanjidicks since it teaches readings and some words.

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>>10159407
Personally I don't see how using KD has a significant advantage over Heisig. You'll still have to memorize kun-yomi, you won't know how to pronounce words, you'll only be able to guess since you will only know some on-yomi and no kun-yomi and won't know which the word uses. In other words you'll have to learn the words the hard way either way. But of course with either method you'll be able to approach vocab already able to distinguish and write the kanji, making it much easier.

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>>10159430
>In other words you'll have to learn the words the hard way either way

I mean, you'll have to learn words similarly. Already knowing kanji makes it the "easy way"

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Maybe you'll say I'm doing it wrong, but I'm just doing core 6000 and adding words to my own deck as I come across them. Nothing for kanji, just words, but I can pick kanji up pretty well after seeing them in a few different words.

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>>10159491
If you have a good visual memory and can pick up kanji like that then you're not doing anything wrong, but most westerners can't. Just make sure you're actually able to distinguish them and write them.

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>>10159342
>If you learn by frequency or something else, you will be learning complicated kanji early and will have no benefit of being able to break them down.
but you'll be able to read more of the things you want to read. why the fuck would you waste time learning obscure words instead of common ones?

>>10159351
if it doesn't teach vocab then what the hell are you trying to learn?

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>>10159430
It might not have mnemonics for kunyomi but it still teaches them to you. Learning the readings is definitely an advantage.

>>10159491
People learn differently so there's no universal "right" way to learn Japanese. After a year of classes I started reading untranslated eroge and learning slowly through context, then for awhile did the whole grind kanji with Anki routine but felt like it wasn't helping me much I so stopped, and recently I've started using the core 10k deck to supplement and review the vocab I learn while reading.

[Anonymous No.]

Using text hooker for machine translating is a sin. They're a godsend, you should use them properly.

>>10159015

Stop making excuses. The whole "I'm too old to learn a language" was invented by people who are simply too lazy to just give it a shot. You're never too old to learn a language and certainly not with 18.

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>>10159520
>but it still teaches them to you.

So does books, reading, vocab decks, etc. You didn't deal with what I said at all.

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>>10159539
If you already know the readings it makes learning vocab easier (yes you won't always know what reading a compound will use, but it'll be easier to remember once you do learn if you already know what readings are associated with a kanji) and you're learning words with the kunyomi. Besides kanjidicks teaches you jukugo while you learn the kanji, so not only are you building your vocab but you're giving context to the kanji you're learning. I just can't see how kanjidicks is the same as Heisig.