/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>nothing all at all

I found out Tenga products are actually available in my country, and not even overpriced too much.

Which ones are worth getting?

>>9769596

The deep throat cup if you want a cheap one, you can rip out the insert, clean, and out it back together. Or a fliphole black

Every time I have money, I want to buy some sort of butt onahole, but then I end up spending my money on other stuff.

Why don't you just upgrade to full-size asses and torsos already? Once you do, you'll wonder how you were ever satisfied with cheap sleeves.

>>9769552
Saddly not yet, but it should be my next buy if I stop delaying it.
While it's true that a lot of reviews are overhyping them, I have yet to see a bad review that makes sense, and the only 3 bad reviews I have read looks like they were written by shitposters.
And as for the texture thing, I don't quite get what you're trying to say, but it do play an important part.

If you're really concerned about the cost, then opt for slightly less good (debatable) onahole that are twice cheaper like the kashin or the lilith.
Then again, it depends of what stucture you like better, what tightness you favour, and what hardness/softness you seek.

>>9769596
>>9769607
Doesn't the black model have a harder texture ? The only tenga product that make sense to me would be the tenga 3D spiral, but I don't intend on buying it.
Out of all the cups the deepthroat one is the best, no debate there.
The eggs are reusable, small and thus concealable (if that's a concern) and add variation. I quite liked them.

>>9769638
If you mean ``anal'' tunnel structure onahole, then you're out of luck.
If you mean hip replica, they're not very convinient to use, so you don't use them often, and they cost extra compared to the rest. But they are indeed damn nice.

>>9769725
Fuck, clean off some of those asses.

>>9769725
I'd rather sew a lifesize doll than fuck one of those, they're creepy.

>>9769725
Why is the cane plugged into the socket??

>>9769766

It's actually a vibrator

>>9769725

I think some of those might have STDs

>>9769726

Black has more intense texture, they're all made from the same material

The best anal toy would probably be a fleshlight SIAC. I have all three and the butt one is by far the best one.

I miss my onaholes. Right after I ordered them, my mom slipped on a doormat and broke her ankle, so she can't go outside anymore. This means that no matter what I do, I never have the privacy to use them, because the lube makes a lot of noise.

Take good care of your mother, /jp/. Something might happen to her, and she will be even more troublesome than earlier.

>>9769780
I hate how it implies that I'm fuggin a big hairy irish dude named O'Doyle though.

i got these two last week
the one on the left is meiki cherry 2, it's my first hip type onahole and it's pretty nice
on the right is succubus 2D wavy ripple medium version
i cant really recommend that one, it's too rough/stimulating

>>9769780
Is it actually tight? I really enjoy tight/firm holes and bought one of the large ones a while ago and was extremely disappointed with it. It felt way too loose width wise for me to enjoy.

>>9769916
Ah I remember you

> too rough/stimulating
Well that sucks. That was my biggest fear when I wanted to order a succubus so I went for bumpy road.

The first time I tried the lilith spiral wave it was also overly stimulating; it still is very stimulating, somewhere between your dick itching and burning, and while it's not something to use every day, it's damn enjoyable once in a while.

If the structure isn't actually rough and you don't scratch your skin or get red skin due to chafing, maybe you should try again with a different lube before throwing it away.


Don't be a dumbass like me and use lube even outisde of the entrances of that hip.
Also the bottom of the hole (the top flat surface) and the end of the tunnels are rather thin/weak.

>>9769638
You should do it. The arousal of licking my butt ona is almost as great as using it.

>>9770109
>before throwing it away
it's not THAT bad, i'm still gonna use it occasionally
but if i had known, i would have gotten a different texture or maybe the soft version

>>9770001
It's tight, but not firm. If I tighten the cap completely it's basically impossible to pull it off my dick.

It's certainly a lot tighter than full sized fleshlights, but not as stimulating as most onaholes because the material is so soft.

>>9769916
Can we get scans of those books you have? Or pics?

>>9769900

You can get a fleshjack Cherry Pop, they're the same thing

>>9770001

It's pretty nice and tight. It's also really smooth .

>>9770311
they're just onahole ads and cleaning instructions

My first onahole is arriving within the next 2 hours.

A quick question on lube, do I lube both the ona and my manly meat member. Or just one of the two?

>>9770456
Preference

i have a really small dick
how do i onahole

>>9770456

I do both since it won't slide in well if I just do one or the other

>>9770456
Basically what >>9770461 said, but for the first couple of time, just go with >>9770465

>>9770463
http://en-nls.com/pict1-31554
13cm long onahole.

I have yet to read onahole reviews made by someone who describe themselves as small; this being the internet and all.

>>9770524
Is that box art by shouji ayumu?

Got my Secret Twin Tales last week, went with Kana. Feels amazing. I got the $7 oreimo onahole a couple of months ago, and I'm really glad you can tell the difference between a $7 onahole and a $38 one.

I've read a couple of posts about it mentioning that they didn't like the visual of having sex with an amputated loli. Anyone else feel the exact opposite? The whole package is stimulating; I never thought I'd bother taking fake 6 year old's panties out of the box after opening it, but I've used them in a number of different ways already. The structure of the onahole itself looks great, like an Akazawa RED loli with her flat chest, ribs, a puffy tummy and a stout pelvis, plus the fact that there's all the illustrations and even the h manga to go with it adds to the experience. After I first used it, I was taking a bit extra to clean it for the first time, and even though I stick to a once-a-night fapping schedule, just looking at the shape of the onahole put me in the mood again and I used her again that night.

>>9770463
I wouldn't worry about it, Japan is pretty small itself. Unless we're talking, like, micropenis small.

>>9770524
Whats the difference between http://en-nls.com/pict1-31554 and
http://en-nls.com/pict1-28466 . I was thinking of getting 1 but dont know which 1.

>>9770661
Just be careful with it. I've had several onaholes like that and my kana's inside deteriorated the quickest out of them

>>9770661
>just looking at the shape of the onahole put me in the mood again and I used her again that night.

>and I used her again that night.

Grats on the marriage

>>9770684
Yeah, I've read the reviews mentioning her tearing, and I spoke with someone recently who said that their Sana tore after about two months. I'm really handling her with glass hands when cleaning, but it is what is is. Like I said I only fap once a night, and I'm trying to split time between two onaholes, and I'm still using my hand since there are nights I just don't feel like cleaning either one out. So here's to hoping she has a long and pleasurable life.

>>9770169
I would like to, but I usually end up spending my money on games since that will entertain me for longer. I want to lick anus too...

>>9770715

You clearly underestimated the entertainment power of fake vaginas/assholes

so whats the best and quickest site to purchase?

>>9770726
I have an onahole already, but I don't really use it that often. Too lazy to clean up most of the time, so I just use my hand. I get the feeling that I would use an onahole a lot more if it was a butt one though. My ass addiction knows no bounds.

>>9770731
The only good site I know of is en-nls

But they rape you hard on the shipping. Hard and unendingly. I can't believe I spent like 30% of my paycheck from that Temp job I had getting my Kana over here.

Because gooooooooood damn. 20 something bucks for Shipping? I am still quite mad over that

>>9770741
Hi Clammy, what do you have right now? When did you get it?

Really? I kinda figured but If it was $20 for like 2 day or 3day ship I wouldn't mind but I have a feeling thats standard shipping.

I even looked at J-list and was thinking slight overpriced but quicker shipping?

>>9770731
en-nls. go with their shitty, cheapo shipping with no tracking if you want reasonable shipping prices. it'll take you about 2 weeks to get your onahole, but it's worth the wait.

>>9770754
I have a Seven. Can't recall exactly when I bought it, but it feels like its been more than a year at this point. It's alright. It's a bit on the tame side though.

am I the only person who enjoys onaholes with no lube?

>>9770770
>It's a bit on the tame side though.
Yeah, from the looks of the cutout image. Secret Twin Tails looks nice, but I don't know what I would do with the pantsu or any of the other crap that comes with it.

>>9770797
Wear them.

>>9770661
how much of a difference is there?
I got 5 cheap onaholes that cost between 8-15 dollars and some of these are pretty good, while some others feel worse than using my hand.

>>9770793

I only have a Kana at the present and although I want to try it,I can't help but get the feeling that would tear the material inside it up so fucking bad. Especially since I like to last at least 15 Minutes per sessions or more

>>9770797
Stretch them until they fit on your your body.

>>9770802
>>9770809
Maybe if they were scented or something...

I have an onahole fetish. There need to be more doujins and h-manga with onaholes.

Hinemosu Notari has done some good ones.

This one looks pretty nice.
http://en-nls.com/pict1-17274?c2=9999

>>9770807
It's just a difference in construction. The Oreimo one I have is a piece of rubber material with a designed hole that uses ribs and bumps for pleasure. Too much lube and I can't feel the ribs, and too little lube and it isn't pleasurable. It still beats using my hand since just being inside something feels great, but double construction just feels better, I think; it certainly has projections inside it but the material inside just feels softer and enveloping no matter what. Then again, I've only got two to compare, but that's the conclusion I came to after using these two.

>>9770903
I have that and its currently my favorite atm. A bit of a warning the hole is extremely tight compared to kana and other soft holes. While other holes stretch out this hole has a nice firmness that helps it retain its shape. Ever since I started using that I've basically forgotten a few of my holes that try to imitate a firmer feel Evo 17,ect. If you enjoy a good firm/tight i would defiantly recommend it.
The plus side is this built to last Ive had mine for several months and other than small rps on the initial ripples no other damage and just as tight as when I bought it. I kinda want to go back and check out the other hole they've made.

>>9771046
I might look into that.

>>9771484
I am reminded of a Rubik cube

If one aligns the right squares will the Onahole feel better?

this is the closest I'll get to have forcey fun time with these two

>>9771512
Maybe. I wanted to know what fucking a cube would feel like.

As well has anyone tried or heard anything great about the Flip hole silver/red?

be nice to have one of these

I'm afraid of my mailmen seeing it.
;_;

>>9771521
Oh God what are YOU DOING?!

>>9771575
trying to have sex with a reimu doll

>>9771567
do you even understand what packaging is and what function it serves? there isn't going to be a giant sticker on the box saying MALE SEX TOY - REPLICA VAGINA.

>>9771567
My onahole came labeled as "figures".
NLS even puts it in a bigger box to make it seem that way.

>>9771594
I'd do that (while intoxicated), but I only have fumo.

>>9771594

>>9771567

Shit from nls comes in a box with a description of "Rubber Toy" and on top of that pretty much the only fuck who even actually knows whats inside of your package is Customs and the person who sent actually sent it which is in this case nls.

You have absolutely jack fucking nothing to be worried about and even entertaining the idea that your mailman knows...So what eh? You're one fucker out of a hundred others in their shifts. You won't be doing this regularly a because of the shit shipping prices anyway.

>>9771594
What about the Marisa doll?

Do canadians get in trouble if they order loliholes?

>>9771684
Pretty sure we do. There was a guy who ordered loli manga and got time. Just think of how customs would react if they saw your toy and the box art. The closest we'll be able to get of "anime related onaholes" is the stuff from California exotic novelties.

Unless you get a middle man to destroy the packaging then the worst you can get is being called a pervert.

>>9771682
Catching some ZzZzZs

>>9771714
>Unless you get a middle man to destroy the packaging
i'm pretty sure nls will do that if you ask them

Anyone ever brought their onaholes with them while traveling overseas? Wanted to know if it would be a problem when checked by customs.

>>9771763
i have been traveling from america and europe with onaholes from japan and i didn't have any problem, just in france airport the guys in customs smiles with me when they see my collection!

>>9771536
Not unless you like putting your cock in the living dead.

http://www.soloflesh.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLV1R_j_gvk

Doesn anyone of you have this?

>>9771848
It works pretty well if you're into dandere characters.

Have any of you ever used an aneros? I've been wondering if it's worth the money.

>>9771849
looks... interesting, but i doubt it's any good

>>9771848
I sure do!
I doubt they actually make zombie girl sex dolls?

Would you please marry me Clammy?
We couldn't do anything impure though.
Using onas on eachother is still allowable as far as I can tell.

>>9771842
I see, thanks for the info.

>>9771714

This. Any suggestions? I spent $30 on a test run with NLS (3DPD ) and they didn't destroy the box at my request.

>>9771894
glammy got b& nerd lmbo owned

>>9770656
I'm sorry, I don't know.
>>9770669
The second one is the soft version, more recent.
but the second one is pretty popular too.
>>9770807
>some of these are pretty good, while some others feel worse than using my hand.
That's how it goes with cheap onaholes. Unfortunately, with such shipping prices from NLS, they're not so much worth it in my opinion.
>>9770903
>>9771046
It's basically one of A-1 best onahole, their quality varries a lot.

>>9771567
I've had some package delivered against a signature labeles as ``Toys'' that came from china, while the smile from the delivery girl makes you feel awkward on the spur of the moment, but it's nothing that will ruin your life.

>>9771849
I remembered being interested in that one for a long while, but then quite forgot about it. I bought it on a whim 19 days ago when you posted it and they didn't ship it yet. Worst buyer's remorse ever, I could have had a meiki for that price.

Well, maybe it's going to be a damn nice one once they actually deliver.

I just used my onahole for the first time while playing some Artificial Academy.

I got a 17 with some of this (pictured), It really is like discovering masturbation again. I used to be a chronic masturbator (15+ daily), but after this I can see it going way down, thanks to the maintenance between each use.

>>9772404
>15+ daily

How... is that even possible?

>>9770835

Thank god for the EXHentai extension.

>>9772404
>I used to be a chronic masturbator (15+ daily)

Damn, I can barely do two a day.

What are you eating?
Where do you get your porn?
What porn are you using?
Tell me your techniques.

I need to know.

>>9772540
My Diet is mostly just plain cooked chicken and steamed veggies + Multi Vitamin, Meds & a Metamucil, I drink heavily about twice/thrice a week.
All my Material is from ExHentai, or Artificial Academy if I feel lime playing.
I prefer Watosato (Mediaron! my favorite) / Hannama (Doya Anal my favorite) works.

My technique? Furious masturbation, no tricks. Just an intensely high-energy flog. I try to chain them together as it becomes much harder to fap after all the energy and adrenaline is sapped from your body.

If your going to try any of that, let me warn you, I think I;m slightly M, so it might be painful, I don't really know.

>>9772610

Thank you, Sensei.

>>9772610
The most I've done when I was younger was about 5 times, give or take, a day in usually 3 "sessions". I didn't use any lube though and didn't know what I was doing so I made sores...

I feel like its time to get another onahole but Im not even sure what to get this time.

>>9771521
I wonder how that turned out.
>>9771666
>NLS even puts it in a bigger box to make it seem that way.
I think it's their default size box; which would in turn explain their shipping price

>>9772540
I don't even eat that much protein but can do it twice in a row just fine. In fact I might have trouble taking pauses.

High protein diet always help. I guess being in good health helps too.

Though I tend to masturbate a lot less when using onahole, they simply feel a lot more rewarding to cum inside or something. Better than your hand, and there's always a clean one waiting for me.
Some are easier to clean than others, obviously, and thus are suited for daily use.

Also, japanese advertisement for oral hole http://www.hotpowers.jp/mov/1-957.flv
from http://www.hotpowers.jp/goods/1-956.html
I'm really interested in oral onahole, but there's too few information.

>>9770835
>I have an onahole fetish
Don't we all ?
This is one of my favourite http://exhentai.org/g/347541/7bbc6b09c6/


Also, here are some cheap hip onahole
http://www.hotpowers.jp/goods/1-1196.html
http://www.hotpowers.jp/goods/1-763.html
But I doubt the shipping makes it worth it, beside I haven't looked into wether they're worth it or cheap shit.


I'm really surprised at how popular the sujiman is.

Meiki toys are pretty decent but very fragile. If they were cheaper i'd probably recommend them a lot more.

>>9772917
Just looking at this is making my anus twitch.

>>9772917
Why did you buy multiple full size Fleshlight? I don't see how any pleasure is gotten from those things unless you have a giant cock.

>>9772945
Different textures for different stimulations/occasions.

Thanks for the subtle flattery :3

The SIAC trio still seems preferable unless the smaller size causes you pain.

>>9772971
AFAIK at the time they didn't exist yet. The most recent FL I got was the flight and it worked out ok (the way the texture is set up it's more fun if you use it backwards IMO)

Holy fuck the shipping is terrible on en-nls, almost as much for shipping as the actual product. Does anyone have any alternative sites so I can check to see if they maybe have stocked one of the ones I want.

>>9773007
Have you tried toydemon?

Which product are you looking for?

I'm looking for something tight and stimulating at the same time.
I was reading opinions on onaho.net and I've come across this: http://en-nls.com/pict1-28466?c2=9999

Is it any good, anyone owned this?

>>9773015
I was going to get http://en-nls.com/pict1-31554?c2=9999 but shipping is as much as the product and I doubt toydemon has "loli" holes. After getting Borderlands 2 and Torchlight 2 my neet pocket book is not as large as it used to be. Ill look around on toydemon since it looks like it has much cheaper shipping, but I cant even tell which sleeves on there are even quality since everything is 5 stars all the time.

>>9773007
Calculate your order to add up to just under 1500g and it isn't so bad. Every other site has higher prices and ends up being more anyway.

>>9773027
Just be careful with it if you get it.

The tightest toys rip the fastest

>>9773029
23$ dollar shipping for 400g is decent?

>>9773059
sounds like highway robbery

>>9773059
On the how to order page they highlight the best shipping brackets. That's why I said it's best to order something just under 1500g for SAL. It really isn't bad if you do that.

Has anyone used http://en-nls.com/pict1-31187?c2=9999 ? I've had my eyes on it for a while and its back in stock.

>>9773097
The only issue was that I'm a whore for loot driven games and spent most of this months cash on above said games. Dont really have the option to spend 150$ dollars atm.

>>9773109
It's nowhere near $150. Just grab a bottle of Peace's and maybe something else and it'll get you close enough. You'll need it anyway.

>>9773122
I already have plenty of lube, and the point is if i was going to spend 20$ on shipping I would try to fit all the onaholes I want in my order so I dont have to spend another 20$ again.

>>9773135
That's probably for the best then. There's no winning any other way. You still have to make an order over $100 for free shipping on sites like ToyDemon.

ToyDemon has always been more expensive for me even with free shipping unless they have a sale going on

>>9773164
Not really I just ordered >>9773099
and paid $5.65 for ups priority mail.

>>9773174
enls is cheaper if you order multiple at a time since each product is usually 5~10$. I just wanted to expand my library and paid $35 vs 49$ at enls while also getting it in 3 days vs 3 weeks.

>>9773164
Not really I just ordered >>9773099
and paid $5.65 for ups priority mail.

>>9773174
enls is cheaper if you order multiple at a time since each product is usually 5~10$ cheaper. I just wanted to expand my library and paid $35 vs 49$ at enls while also getting it in 3 days vs 3 weeks.

>>9773191
The other obvious thing is that other sites dont have the same library of products as en-nls.com

>>9773191
>enls is cheaper if you order multiple at a time
depends where you live
i thought i'd save some money on the shipping by ordering 2 at once, but i ended up having to pay taxes and paid more in the end

>>9773191
heh, doesn't make much sense to me because you could have gotten more for your buck at enls if you just spent a little more.

>>9773235
Can't you evade it by telling them to mark the box differently?

>>9770109
>>9770196
Bummer I was thinking about getting the 2D wavy ripple Hard since I like mine more on the firm side. Have you guys tried out any of the other ones?

>>9773253
the customs might ask for a receipt
otherwise everyone would just mark packages at 5 euros and never pay any taxes

>>9773266
you might want to check out the lilith uterus from the same maker
i havent tried it, but i hear it's good

>>9769725

Was that a senior's house or a morbidly obese NEET?

>>9773458
Hit submit instead of the comment box..

Just ordered my first batch of these things from amazon. Hopefully it turns out well. Anyone have any opinions on these?

Im debating between the Venus Clone and the Venus Real and can decide which one to get. Has anyone had any experience with either of them?

>>9769725
Daww, you have a winne the pooh in a bee suit plushie.

>>9772917
Can you actually fit each of those in your butt?

>>9773497
Nope, but reviews tend to agree that Venus Clone is better.

I was just going to ask if anyone knew a good onahole with dots/ピタ structure, this is probably providence out of synchronicity or some other holistic bullshit. So it's probably going to be my next buy once I get the money.

Also, I think it's worth noting that an increasing number, most of the recent & successful onahole, tend to go for the same kind of structure than the venus real. Sort of a tunnel with irregularities, but no strong defined shapes like ribs or anything, just an irregular sided passageway kind of thing. Pic related.

>>9773563
What texture is the most popular? I know that soft regular and hard all are still "soft" but my lack of moon training makes it difficult to find good info about the 3.
Also whats the name of the onahole pictured, looks interesting.

>>9773572
It's about 6 different onahole.
There's the mosnter meiki the girl in a box, the tsurupetta, the lala and a NPG one iirc.

It was just a collage to illustrate that a lot of recent toys tend to use that structure.

As for the texture, I can't tell, there's a noticeable difference between the succubus and lilith. Maybe it's due to thickness.

Soft can be not stimulating enough, and almost nobody get the hard version; so the regular texture is the most popular.

According to the reviews, and my personal experience with lilith & succubus
Soft : it's like fucking a marshmallow and melting in pleasure.
Regular: if you're not fully errect you might have trouble, it's tighter and you really feel the texture.

Hard: never tested it out, and don't want to, regular is stimulating enough; and already too hard to my taste.

Lilith regular (and so most likely Venus regular), for example, is a little harder than kashin 3 (daisy soft, same as kashin 6) Which is in turn, firmer than meiki maria Ozawa.
Reviews tend to point that soft is almost as soft as Meikis

I'd personally go for soft, but you might find the stimulation not strong enough.
I'd rather be fucking a marshmallow than overly stimulating my dick, but that's only my preference, threw the 17 away because it was too hard.
Though, the texture seem really small, as opposed to prominents numbs and ridges.

I just wish there was an alternative to omocha jews to buy those, are there even american proxy that would ship that to europe ? I doubt the shipping+proxy fee would cost $50.

Does anyone have any experience with Tenso for importing?

>>9772619
You're welcome.

>>9772720
I don't use lube either, just my foreskin and a gallon of magical precum.

>>9773736
Imported doujin without any problem, regardless of their policies. But I haven't imported onahole yet, if anyone have info on that, it'd be a godsend.

>>9773811
I'm doing my import from amazon through Tenso, I'm hoping it goes well. It'll be at Tenso by tonight; then I have to wait for their shipping. I'll give an update in the next thread that's up when/if it gets here.

>>9773685
Just ordered the Venus Clone Soft should arrive in 2 days. I post my impressions when it arrives.

>>9773538
yes except for the XL clayton and L chance which I can only take a little over halfway respectively.

>>9773563
I had a toy very similar to that and the inside part eventually came apart from the outside one and/or wore away. They don't seem as durable as a fleshlight or other single-part toy.

>>9773885
Dual layered holes tend to separate after extended use. One of my holes started to separate and I bought some of the 6 dollar toy repair kit and it hasnt separated. since.

>>9773903
does the repair kit work for punctures too?

where did you get it at?

>>9773920
Yes It works with punctures but i suggest you use something that can hold it in place and keep the hole from moving while it dries and then let it set for a few days after it dries.

I bought mine in Japan while I visiting for c82. But en-nls has something that looks similar to what I have. http://en-nls.com/pict1-12570? Basically you want that glue. That glue is magic and works on bolth firm and softer holes. Just make sure you have the correct pressure on it while it dries completely. I used cardstock and rubber bands on mine.

>>9773955
good to know, might get some along with a toy in the future

>>9769725
>Winnie the pooh toy

Every time.

>living at home with mother and brother
Exactly how would I conceal this?

>>9774633
You don't.

>>9774633

>Brother

If you're on good terms with him offer to share an Onahole with him or buy him one in addition to yours. That way when you order the package and it gets sent to your house you have another person able to keep your secret

If not well,prepare to never use it except on special occasions unless sound doesn't carry very well in your house. To pick it up without fear you're gonna pretty much have to stay near the window and wait for the Van or whatever to pop up in your area.

>>9774683
>If you're on good terms with him offer to share an Onahole with him or buy him one in addition to yours
Impossible.
>unless sound doesn't carry very well in your house
We have tile throughout the house.

>>9774633
Install a digital door lock for your room?
Mask the sound with TV or music?
I don't really know...

>>9774633
It depends on how invasive they are to your life. If you and your brother have bunk beds then you are probably out of luck.

A very long time ago, I shared a room with someone and had people often in the house. What I did was just hid the onahole in places nobody would likely look and when nobody was home or I was feeling horny, I would go into the bathroom and quietly use it. You could bring a radio into there with you, you could play the tv in your room, you could just be aware of the noise factors and take it easy on the thing if you must do it when people are around.

Just think about your situation and use common sense.

>>9774633
wrap the toy in a towel and put it between your mattress with something behind it taller than the toy (like a cd spindle).

Then just hump it without pushing down on the mattress.

Good night /jp/

I love you but not in a faggot way.

>>9775643

I love you in a homosexual way.

I'm serious. I fantasize about fucking /jp/ all the time. Oyasumi anon.

>>9772917
Where did you buy dildos from?

>>9775629
My mattress is actually at the perfect height for this to work, if I'm on my knees.

>>9773458
>>9773482
Why amazon? I just looked and the prices are some of the most expensive. Even the store where they come from have them cheaper.

>>9775841
bad-dragon.com for the big ones

edenfantasys for the other dildos

toydemon for everything else

>>9775986
that's the idea, just get a pillow or rolled up towel for your knees

it's pretty quiet if you set it up right

>>9775986
>>9777808
Has anyone bought one of those blow up dolls? My mattress top is like 50lbs and really high off the ground so Its really uncomfortable to use it like that. I kinda want to make a onahole holder a little more permanent than two pillows, but I have no idea where to start.

>>9778724
I'd say don't bother unless you feel like spending the time modifying them. They're kinda a pain to use straight out the box and will get holes unless you use them lightly.

>>9778786
Yeah thats why I wanted to make something thats decently equivalent. I was thinking of incorporating a foam base, but not sure where I could find foam in cubes.

>>9777630

I only knew of e-nls, and amazon was cheaper then e-nls for everything I found.

2210 yen (28 usd) for the 17 evo, vs nls's 33 usd for example.

>>9778724
I'd recommend something like
http://en-nls.com/pict1-12457

The love body are quite prone to leaks, which are tedious to repair. Of course if you go all out with them and fill them with cotton or whatever, it might be worth it, but I've only had bad experiences with the ones I owned.

Then you have the ancient kinds, like http://en-nls.com/pict1-29731 and http://en-nls.com/pict2-19896-9999 which used to be really popular before the love body became the status quo. They are a bit less practical than love bodies while less prone to leaks (because less seams). It's a different experience, and not really suited for a quick go. It's more like a plastic inflatable daki with a hole insert. There's also a variation of this model like that one http://en-nls.com/pict1-2529, those used to be all the rage back then, pic related.

If you don't want to order from NLS due to shipping, both the first and third type are available from california exotic novelties; and the variation of the third one also have their counterparts.

And to that, of course you add the more atypical inflatable hips, inflatable legs, and other more unique inflatable, such as http://en-nls.com/pict1-11880 http://en-nls.com/pict1-14822 etc.

>>9778875
The thing is I feel I can make http://en-nls.com/pict1-12457 and not waste 30$. I just need to build something thats solid yet can tightly hold my onaholes.

>>9779116
Looks like you could make basically the same thing if you just grabbed a belt and wrapped it around a pillow

>>9779145
I wanted to make something a bit more solid that I didnt have to assemble everytime and could move around and store.

>>9779152
I think anything is going to require at least a little bit of assembly or the onahole will just fall out. Most of the air solutions are actually sort of a pain because you have to deflate them to get it in there. A belt and a pillow is actually the easiest I can think of.

>>9779176
I was going to make a base with an indent then attach some firmer foam inside the indent where I would insert the onahole, or just Cut a large peice of firm foam in the same shape and cut a line inside the foam itself. The only issue is I live out in the middle of nowhere so I'm not sure where I could find blocks of firm foam and not just slabs.

So eh y'know

I've never tried one of those Open top Masturbators you regularly see in like Hentai. There any good ones like that or do they only exist/feel good in Hentai fantasyland?

I'm not convinced that spending $80 on an onahole will be worth it, edging works just fine and it's free

>>9780029

Best way to get into Onaholes in my opinion is to buy a condom and fap with it. Afterwhich you'll not only understand why they're glorious but also why your Father had sex with your High School Girlfriend when he had your mom

>>9780021
the american super head honcho should fit your needs.
It's cheap, doesn't suffer from nls bullshit shipping, and feels good.
The only problem is that it's noisy. And open ended, thus lube leaks out.
It's one of the few onahole than can work with spit as lube, but since it's open end it dries even faster.

>>9780029
Good thing they are $40.

>>9780029
Onaholes are far less than eighty dollars, and I don't know how you can compare edging to an onahole at all. They're completely different.

I kinda want to get an onahole to play out a tf fantasy.

Should I get a Fliphole as my first onahole?

I need something around $50 and reasonably durable.

Also, is prostate stimulation worthwhile? I might pick up an Aneros as well.

>>9781943
>Should I get a Fliphole as my first onahole?
Seconding this.

>>9781943
I don't have experience from other onaholes, but for me fliphole has been very good purchase.

Can I see the sidebyside comparison of the 4 fliphole styles?

>>9775699
I also have masturbated to the idea of fucking with people with similar interests as me...I wouldn't mind.

Gelbooru comments and posts on threads turn me on more than images sometimes.

i would like to get rid of my fleshlight and i have no idea how?
its also too embarassing to just throw it at the garbage
am i fucked?

>>9782546
>its also too embarassing to just throw it at the garbage
then cut it into pieces first

Can someone recommend me a good onahole for a decent price that will last?

>>9783405
http://en-nls.com/pict1-17274
http://en-nls.com/pict1-13976
http://en-nls.com/pict1-31833
Are somewhat popular these days.

The kana is fine, appart from the entrance which is rather fragile.

I'd personaly recommend Kashin ver3 or 6, succubus bumpy road normal or lilith uterus soft/normal.

You could also go and pick something from toys heart at random.

But frankly, it really depends on what texture, softness, structure and tightness you like.

>>9783970
Where do you get the lilith from? Searching for it on en-nls doesn't result anything.

how do i get the inside of my kana to stop smelling like shit

>>9784428
Because they don't have it.

Europe based, you suffer from jewish omocha dream prices, USA based, you have queen cat adult toys, which have decent pricing (half the base price of omochadream's for the venus, for instance)

>>9784441
Have you tried the 2D Wavy Ripple succubus? I'm trying to find onaholes that are tight and soft. Currently using this:
http://en-nls.com/pict1-31554

>>9784525
I haven't but
>>9769916
>on the right is succubus 2D wavy ripple medium version
>i cant really recommend that one, it's too rough/stimulating
has.

You might want to go for that model if you want tightness.

Though, I find the lilith uterus pretty tight, maybe too tight to my liking to be ordered in normal texture, but I don't have enough experience with it to give my full opinion yet.

Still, soft texture definitely feels better imo.

>>9784436
Use soap & go deep? Scrape her every nook and cranny with your fingers. And then rince & dry.

Is there a store that carries the lilith/succubus stuff that ships to Canada?

>>9769725

hah, did anyone else think jariten was that plush on the floor?

I've been looking for this one for ages now. I doubt they even sell it anymore, but I still want one.

>>9788451
They still have this one.
http://en-nls.com/pict1-27542

>>9774969
>>9775602
Noise? Do you fuckers squeal like pigs when having an orgasm or what?

does nls ship to latin america

sorry for being a nigger by the way

>>9789011
I thought Argentina was white?

For those of you who want to know how nls boxes stuff, there was an unboxing thread a while back.
http://archive.foolz.us/jp/thread/9652605/
There are probably more if you search hard enough.

You can ask them to label the box a certain way or wrap everything in a black bag if you're afraid of someone opening it.

>>9789001
I thought they were talking about the squelching sounds an onahole makes.

EEEEEEEEEEEEEW

it'sa PLASTIC CUNT

Do the jappanees actually use this goofy-ass term "onahole" (onna? hole? lol!) or is that just something somebody working at J-list made up because they didn't want to memorize kanji or whatever? Make it easy on their dumb ass?

>>9789240
Ona as in onanism not 女

>>9789240
Ona is short for Onan a figure associated with masturbation

+ Hole

>>9789265
>>9789277
Ohhh, oh okay that makes more sense. I guess.

>>9789284
Just fucking kill yourself already.

I got this a week ago. I only opened two of them so far, and they're pretty great.
Only problem is that they get really squishy when they get warm and its a bit of a pain to use it when its all flimsy. Also I tore a hole in one of them, but it hasn't really changed anything about it.

If you're about to use one of these for the first time, go easy on the lube otherwise you won't feel a thing. I actually enjoy sliding my dick in with a very little amount of lube.

>>9789301
yaay, I'm pissing him off

>>9788785
Oh goodness, thank you for showing me this.

>>9789341
Cute gif dude.

>>9789341
To be honest with you. I actually forgot I replied to you. It took me while to recognize it was me. Anyway, I guess you ought to die for your bad education.

>>9789298
/v/ermins go there >>>/v/

And don't come back fucker.

>>9792542
gb2 le reddit fag

A bunch of people recommended the 17 evo, which was gen2, and I got one a while back. I'be never really hear anyone talk about the newest 17 model http://en-nls.com/pict1-30800 . Has anyone tried it?

>>9772917
Jesus, did you go through the Item World for max stats on that horse wiener?

Well my Venus Clone soft arrived early yesterday and have used it a few times so far. >>9773876
I want to give it a few more gos before I leave my impressions, but so far extremely impressed.

Since you guys aren't shy about using toys you should try a vibrator. They're amazing.

>>9796143
I'm relieved, it sounds great.

Be sure to let your dick heal/rest; you'd need to give it around 8 go, it may take 3 days.
If you overexert yourself, you'll end up with a numbed & swollen dick due to a minor oeudema.
Though, that only happens with hard textured onahole; shouldn't be the case here, but you still want to be cautious and cherish that thing of yours.

>>9797055
Everything been going fine and I'll defiantly have my review out before the end of this weekend.

Even though I have received the previous onahole last year just fine, I'm still paranoid about local customs.
Lets see how they will treat this one
http://en-nls.com/pict1-32332

Would putting a bullet vibrator in the other end of a open-ended ona make the whole thing vibrate nicely?

>>9798749
>http://en-nls.com/pict1-32332
Woah, jumping on a new product with almost no info like that is really risky.
Well, products from outvision/exe tend to be good ones but the quality still varies from time to time.

We'll be waiting to hear from you.

>>9798758
It works to some extent. In fact a few onahole have been designed with this usage in mind.

>>9798758
I got a bullet vibrator as a joke gift in collage and found trying to use it onaholes or on myself had very little effects. I found out later that it works extremely well as an anal massager. Its small and massages the prostate quite nicely. If your not into the whole foreign objects in the rear you can just sit on top of it for a somewhat similar effect.

>>9772370
>Well, maybe it's going to be a damn nice one once they actually deliver.
Do you have it yet?

>>9799023
>>9772370
Jesus Christ the quality of that looks low. It looks like a cheap hole in between two water balloons.

>>9793184
gotta pump the horse weiner stats

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTqJiaspZ5o

>>9802622
what the HELL

I'm sorry if this isn't the right thread for this.

But I made a mistake, I began to like a girl...
Since 2 weeks she's now going out with some ugly fat ass, and I only have myself to blame for being so passive.
If you want to know how I felt just skip to 1:17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYtdau3QPOQ

With 3D it is the only possible outcome, and it was my own fault... ;__;


So what is the best onahole for a emotionally destroyed guy?

>>9802631
Fuck you

>>9802636
Guess I'm rejected everywhere ;__;

>>9802622
i'm confused, was that cp?

>>9799023
Cancelled the order. I'll get another onahole I actually have been salivating over with that money instead of buying on a whim.

Which onahole has the most tempting vulva?

>>9804486
Meiki Monster

Tenga eggs worth it?

are the expensive reusable tengas good for:

5.5" - 6.0" length
4.75" girth

DONT JUDGE ME

>>9804766
What the hell kind of dick... oh. Circumference, not diameter.

>>9773027
I bought that one... it's amazing, until I shoved in my dick too hard and it came out at the other end >_>;

>>9800885
Does BD's cumlube safe with fleshlights?

so are ona holes better than:

your hand?
a real pussy? (doubt anyone here would know)

I edge for 6 hours at a time and use a pretty strong grip

>>9806711
Better than hand? Yes.

Better than pussy? Yes. Lacks the warmth of a real pussy though. But look at it from the bright side: It doesn't bitch and moan at you, and it's always willing!

>>9806711
>Hand
By far
>A real pussy
Yes and no. [As someone who gave up his wizardom for "shared" housing. I can say that quality onaholes have different and often more stimulating pleasure than a pussy. But real sex feels better overal since physical + emotional pleasure together feel better than just physical pleasure. Spoiled because the topic is too "normalfag"

>>9806754
I have $17,000 sitting in an account.

time to do this shit.

what are some of the better ones or should I just experiment.

I got my ona on May and it recently had the most unfortunate accident, thankfully it is still pretty much functional.

Well I said Id have results before the weekend, just need to type all this out.

ever since I've used my onaholes, my dick has been itching alot. anyone else had this problem and has a solution?

>>9806779
IS that ... a cervix?

damn these things have gotten advanced quick.

it's just like one of my japanese ogre rape animes.

>>9806793

http://en-nls.com/pict1-26860?c2=9999

Yeah, it was supposed to have a cervix-like part at the end, that part felt incredible, a shame it's the part that got torn apart.

However, it has forced me to get more creative with the motions so it all worked out.

>>9806790
sounds like you're allergic to the material.

>>9806807
looks good but I live in Canada and importing that would probably = prison.

I bought the Venus Clone [soft] earlier this week to do a more in-depth review/comparison of the product and the company.
The Venus series is the second series of onaholes after the Succubus line from the company Tomax. Very rarely do new onahole companys get formed and with their Venus line they made a product that tries to compete with the more well known Meiki line of onaholes which are regarded as the best "realistic" onaholes. Intrigued I purchased the Venus Clone(#1) as it was considered the more pleasurable of the three to compare against my Meiki ZXY (#2).
>Material
The first thing you notice out of the "bag" is the material of the Venus. Its flimsy and stretchy like most real skin materials, but the material they used is extremely firm and durable, while still soft. Most textures of the same nature feel brittle but while pulling and stretching the material you feel no strain or warping. You can fist it, turn it inside out, throw it about with no ripping or tearing. This makes cleanup a breeze. The next apparent feature is its weight. The Venus alone weighs almost 2lbs and with the flimsy nature of the product, its almost impossible to "hand-pump" masturbate comfortably.If you want to use this product your going to have to use a more "hands- free" method.
Cont..

>Inside
When you look at the Clone the last thing on your mind is realistic, but you wouldn't be more wrong. Unlike most other holes with dots, ridges, and other features The clone uses the texture to compliment the structure of the onahole. When you first enter the hole you and rock a few times you immediately understand that isnt just another bumpy tube. The texture of the hole is very low impact. The bumps themselves aren't the focus of the hole but actually are there to compliment the structure itself. If you are looking for a good 5~10 minute doujin/geelboru fap season this is not the onahole to do it. This is more of a turn on one of your favorite h-anime or something recently translated by Subdesu, ect. and enjoy the slow ride. While hard to describe, the inside feels "sticky". It gently sucks and clings to you while still remaining expansive and fluid. The orgasm is more of a slow build up. As someone whose been using a tight/intense onahole(#3)as their favorite go to, after 10 minutes it felt like orgasm denial the first few times. You can feel it build up but it doesnt "jump" if you speed up. The orgasm itself was the defiantly one of the hardest/most satisfying orgasms I've had. Words don't really do it justice, after thrusting for first initial 7 minutes thinking I had death grip or the hole itself was inferior and wasted my money and time, the finish was mind blowing; both in the results and the fact that this soft hole had that big of an impact

>Price & Comparison
As the Venus line is basically an attempt to compete with the Meiki Line I felt it only necessary to compare the two to find out which are better.I'm not going to include a Meki ZXY review as its the most popular of the line and reviews are everywhere.
While I ordered the softest of the Venus textures the Meiki is still considerably softer. If you want the softest of the soft your still going to have to get a Meiki. Comparing the insides of the two I would have to say the Venus material feels much better. I have to give props to Tomax on the material for something this durable the texture is superb. The texture itself Im going to give to the MeikiZXY. While the structure of the hole is superior to the meiki in feeling, the prominent feature of the meiki is the ornate Gspot. The Clone also has a G-spot but it feels like more of an afterthought when compared to the meiki. Its small and out of the way. It feels like you have to force yourself to reach and enjoy it and even when you do you feel let down. While also feeling amazing, the Gspot on the meiki adds variety to the mix which the Clone lacks. While the softness of the texture is a positive, The texture feels like its missing a final kick to get you through the door like the meiki provides. Now the biggest difference between the two is the price. While most holes sit around the 20~35$ range,the Meiki line sits at a whopping 80~90$.The Venus itself come in at around half that at about 50$

>Verdict
As a 85% meiki at 50% of the price, I give the clone a 9~9.5/10. Even as someone who isnt the intended market and enjoys tight holes, for the price the Venus clone exceeded my expectations. If you are interested in a Meiki but are put off by the ridiculous price I would highly recomend a Venus. Looking back I personally would have maybe bought the medium or hard textures due to my preferences. Even though the textures are labeled soft/medium/hard they're all soft holes and are just signify how firm the texture is compared to each other. Having lower expectations for Tomax due to the lack of experience I can definitely say I'm looking forward to what they release in the future. While the Venus itself is not flawless, I can see them improving structure and inside and giving the Meiki line some good competition.

This review ended up being WAY longer than I expected but being under the influence does that to you sometimes and doubt anyone that cares would complain. I was not paid to give this review, but if your a company/distributor spying in /jp/ and want to give me free onaholes to review that be fucking awesome, just putting that out there. The links to the onaholes mentioned in the Review itself(noted by #) are as follows
## Venus Real http://www.onaho.net/original/venus_real.html
#1 Venus Clone http://www.onaho.net/original/venus_clone2.html
#2 Meiki ZXY http://en-nls.com/pict1-20034
#3 Nekokko Mi-Nyan http://en-nls.com/pict1-17274

>>9806711
depends on the person
i wouldnt say onaholes are necessarily better than your hand, but they are different and definitely worth trying
but even the tightest onahole wont be as tight as your hand

>>9807011
I don't see why. Canada customs even opened the package with my Seven and Seventeen in it, and they barely looked at the things. You have to try really hard to make them come after you.

always wanted to try one of these but scared because the japanese ones are not for big gaijin penis.

>>9807599
they are fine unless you have a huge dick

>>9806771
>what are some of the better ones
meiki series from NPG
venus series from tomax
kashin series from rends

> should I just experiment
It's funnier this way.

>>9807385
You got me salivating.

>>9807599
They're fine unless you manage to fuck up.

/jp/ - fake pussy connoisseurs

Wish I could get one shipped without alerting the feminine horde I live with.

>>9807699
I would like to consider myself a connoisseur but seeing my 3 post essay review among the rest of this thread I feel like some onahole hipster. I probably shouldn't have written that high at 2am.

>>9807385
what other tight hole do you recommend? like everyone else here I have death grip and average size

>>9807758
As mentioned earlier http://en-nls.com/pict1-17274 is my favorite tight hole atm, but http://en-nls.com/pict1-31554 or http://en-nls.com/pict1-28466 are really good as well.

>>9773771
>just my foreskin and a gallon of magical precum.
You're a lucky man, I barely get any precum.

sammyyyy

>>9806771
>$17,000
Just buy all of them. Every single one.

>>9808253

Better yet, he should buy one to all of us.

>>9805657
yes

I want to order some from NLS, but the loli ones would probably set off red flags at customs (US). I got one from Jlist awhile ago that didn't look too suspicious, still waiting for shipping.

Has anyone safely ordered from NLS to the US without any customs problems?

>>9811196
i have multiple times and never had any problems. even if they opened it they wouldnt do anything, i don't think ona holes are even illegal

With shipping added, I just wasted 90 bucks on loli sex toys.
I have no future in this world

>>9812880
i've spent more that on a single loli onahole, not counting shipping or lotion

>>9812880
Its just the beginning of that future, where you sort of stop caring. Its not like the people you would consider successful don't have fetishes on the same level.

>>9812920
Onaholes are actually pretty fucking amazing. For millions of years, our predecessors have depended on an almost desperate need to have sex, often to the point that they would jeopardize their own survival simply to stick their dick in a wet hole.

But now civilization has gotten to the point where we can just replace all that with a small, mass-produced piece of plastic, that can be obtained with a few clicks on your computer. If that's not a great step towards the singularity, I don't know what is.

Is anyone else having trouble ordering for NLS? It seems like my payment isn't going through.

>>9813527
are you using paypal or a credit card?
credit cards can have problems with jap stores

I'm trying to use a credit card with paypal, should I just dump some funds into the paypal account and just use that?

>>9813576
You can pay from your paypal account with your card attached to it. It should work either way, and you won't need to upload funds out of the card.

This is the error I get, I suppose I'll just try again or try depositing funds to the PayPal account, thanks anyways though.

I RUB MY PEENER!!!!1

itt pedophilia

Is there any real difference between loli onaholes and normal ones?

>>9813742
Former ones are just smaller/tighter, use your brain.

>>9813768
LIKE, YEAH

>>9813742
THINK, McFly. THINK.

Sheesh.

>>9813768
they also have loli art on the box drawn by loli artists
some even come with loli sized panties

>>9813796
(does not make your hyper weapon bigger)

>>9813742
I think NLS mentions sometimes about how its molded after the real thing.

lol

>>9813871
um, how'd they manage that? You know what, never mind, bye.

>>9813897
xD 5 star post bro

>>9813897
reddit

How safe would it be to order a loli onahole to sweden? Maybe someone else from sweden who can share experience?
I'm thinking of ordering from en-nls. What shipping company should I use?
How big is the risk that it will get stuck in customs, and what happens if they see the spread-legged little girl on the package?
Will i get an avi-letter on the mail, and will it contain any clues as to what the package contains?

Grateful for any answers.

>>9813982
Greetings fellow Swede.

I've never had any problems with ordering related content, when I ordered from NLS and DHL the box came in a black bag with no description of what was inside on it.

When ordering figures it never says what's in the package for me, only what country it came from.

>>9814075
Thanks for the information!
About how long did the NLS delivery take?

>>9814101
NLS itself only packs stuff, so its all up to your local delivery staff.
In my place USPS once took half a year and returned back, because of some postal problems unknown to me. I was forced to pay again for shipping. EMS arrives regularly in under a week, even though there is a lot of complaint about quality of their service.

>>9814101
I think it took 3 days until it arrived at my door.

>>9800885
Is the seadragon good for thrusting? I'm torn between it and chance the stallion, both of them (8) firmness and medium size.

>>9814130
Really? From japan to sweden? That's insane. But so are the shipping prices..
Well, here goes nothing

Anyone in the EU have any experience with ordering from Bad Dragon?

>>9814145
Aaand 100$ later. I'm way more excited for this than I should be.

>>9814181
Enjoy, which one(s) did you get?

>>9814216
I got the new 'TUBOMI' some other anon earlier in the thread ordered, and the "peace's" lotion.
I understand it's risky to order new things without reviews, but in any case it will be much better than nothing, and I feel like I can afford trying it out.

>>9814245
At least the cover looks nice, be sure to leave a review once you get it.

>>9814297
I will, thanks.

It just hit me, do they deliver to your door or do you go to a pick up point?

>>9814379
DHL will deliver to your door, EMS probably not.

>>9814245
Good luck, we'll be waiting for your reviews/first impression.

Also in the meantime, it got reviews:
http://www.e-nls.com/disp_pict1_con.php?pid=32332
http://www.onaho.net/sueoki/tubomi.html

So according to reviews: it leaks oil noticeably, and it lacks heigh to be used when it's put dirrectly on the bed. but you can let it rest on your hand, or on your desk or on a pillow (be warry of oil leakage that could leave stains, I'd recommend putting a towel in between). Also there seem to be a weakspot because the base/underside is thin. As to how it feels, it's soft material; you won't feel the inner bumps but it will feel like it's glued/gripping to your penis.

Well, that's what the reviews say anyway.

You all motivated me and I got kashin 6 + girl in box. I'll do a comparative review of kashin 3 and 6 as soon as I get the chance.

Also, regarding the Lilith uterus, I think I should make a proper review, but it's definitely better than what I made it sound like. Well, as with any onahole, your dick has to get used to it. Or maybe it's the opposite.

>>9814426
Was anything said about bottom part? It is displayed on promo page, but english text is unreadable, and its not clear whether its in the complect or not

>>9814489
the last paragraph is about how the flat bottom is their brand new design to make you cum really really strong, how good the cost performance is and that if you're a pervert-gentleman you should buy it at once because you won't regret it.

More or less. Something you'd expect from a promo page.

are there any good ones under $30(including shipping)?
I hear the Boku ona ones from en-nls are good from these threads
and was wondering if I could get opinions on these ones from j-list
http://www.jlist.com/product/OMO373
http://www.jlist.com/product/TMT128

>>9815788
>under $30(including shipping)?
not really
someone here had the railgun onahole (or maybe it was index)

>>9815788

My onahole cost me 33 bucks with shipping, but I am >>9806779

I don't know if the Ona itself is bad or I just got a bad one, so take it as you will.

http://en-nls.com/pict1-26860?c2=9999

>>9815788
loveshop.hk doesn't have any shipping price; at least they didn't last time I used them.

>http://www.jlist.com/product/OMO373
Nice prices btw. http://en-nls.com/pict1-26360..

You could also try the american made head honcho / super head honcho.
It's decent. http://tinyurl.com/8nrsd2w

>>9815906
>May
They still had that other shipping method and not bullshit e-packet iirc. That or you used some tricks, because it totals 38€.

>>9815955
>>9815906
thanks

damn, I totally had to wait with ordering tubomi.
Just look at this monster right there
http://en-nls.com/pict1-32343