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How come in the 16 years since Touhou started, Zun's art hasn't improved much at all? You'd think after 16 years he'd become a master artist by now.

And he should even have his own company by now, seeing how popular Touhou is. Gaben started small back before Half Life was released, now he's head of the PC master company Valve.

>> No.9698302

>>9698288
Never played the games, uh? He improved.

>> No.9698311

Because people keep feeding him excuses like, "Your art has its charm :-)", or, "It isn't good technically, but I like your style ^^;".

Loomis wrote a book called "Drawing the Head and Hands". ZUN is probably way too stubborn to read it. I know this sounds really entitled, but I'm offended that he puts such an absurd amount of effort into everything else, than draws the characters so poorly. It's an insult to his own creation.

>> No.9698325
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>>9698302

This isn't much of an improvement from his previous games. Sure from the early 2000 games, but come on, it's 16 years.

Even the sprites on screen during gameplay look better than the character art.

>> No.9698319

>>9698288

Zun's art is shit but I agree with him not being filthy rich, I respect his decision to keep the eastern project open for all but at the same time If he actually made it a franchise I think i'd improve the quality and rid most of the secondary shit.

>> No.9698323

>>9698288

You'd think a real Touhoufag would play the games and notice improvements, even if they aren't by leaps and bounds. Stop pretending and go back to /a/.

>> No.9698333

>And he should even have his own company by now, seeing how popular Touhou is
What about Shanghai Alice?

>> No.9698341

>>9698333

"A company is a business organization. It is an association or collection of individual real persons and/or other companies, who each provide some form of capital."

One guy isn't a company.

>> No.9698344

I think he just keeps the style to fit in with the rest of the touhou series, I'm sure he's capable of drawing much better and that drawing shows he at least has some knowledge of perspective

>> No.9698396

>>9698344

Explain him approving and getting help on things like the CD cover art, Alphes involvement with SWR etc. and the official doujins/manga and fanbooks

he would've done all that himself, also that one fairy game

>> No.9698405

>>9698325
As he always makes things (mostly) by himself, he may be proud of his "unique" style.

He has improved. And it may be his drawing style is already perfect for him. He doesn't care about what others think as long as he feels satisfied with his work.

>> No.9698409

His art has improved, secondary.
By the way, you shouldn't insult his art. When he draws he's happy.

>> No.9698430

>>9698344
He has drawn things that aren't Touhou
They aren't much better

>> No.9698429

Ryukishi improved in 10 years a hundred times more than ZUN did in 16.

Why is ZUN such a pathetic loser?

>> No.9698445

>>9698311
Just because it's anatomically incorrect doesn't mean it looks bad. The author of that book says that the proportions of the human head can be modified to depict any type of creature, including cartoonish characters like in OP's picture. Fuck off to >>>/ic/

>> No.9698449

>>9698429
He even had to settle for a 2/10 wife.

>> No.9698473

>>9698449
>2/10
Just seeing this is enough to make me disgusted because I know that some guidos actually think like that. My life would be more productive if I weren't so sensitive.

>> No.9698474

Go and fap to some shitty imitation of Touhou, dirty secondaries. I'll stick with real Touhou.

>> No.9698482

>>9698429
R07's new art sucks ass. I'd much rather look at the old Higurashi sprites and photos with a posterize mask than the new garbage with faces that look like he traced a crumpled sheet of paper and turned the contrast up to 100.

>> No.9698522

>>9698474
Too casual for Seihou, eh?

>> No.9698544

>>9698325
It's cute, and at least it doesn't have the Meiling crossed eyes anymore.

IMO, the official art style is what makes fanart more enjoyable.

>> No.9698549

>>9698341
http://www.companiesnow.com.au/faq/can-one-person-form-a-company

>> No.9698553

If Zun's art improved, nobody would have any incentive to draw better art and so there would be no more cool fan-made touhou art and certainly no videos, games, or memes.

>> No.9698556

Compare any portrait from EoSD to any portrait from UFO.
Yeah, he hasn't improved in the slightest. Nope. Not at all. Nada.

>> No.9698558

Actually, if you look at the amount of art Zun had drawn for the series, unless he has been sketching a tremendous amount that we aren't seeing, he isn't drawing enough to really improve.

You don't just improve from doing 6 portraits a year.

>> No.9698638
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9698638

It's because he's drunk as fuck when he draws.

It's said that he draws all of the characters for a game in one night. He is so sloshed that he remembers none of it and when he wakes up next morning to find all the characters already programed in, even he is surprised by the results.

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9698661

Because if he drew them well it would make all other artists work a problem.

It would block any other alternatives to a greater extent.

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>>9698556
UFO is much better than this

>> No.9698700

>>9698688
>red eyes
Proof that Sakuya is not human but a lunar rabbit who lost her ears.

>> No.9698713
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9698713

his marisas are much better than his reimus

>> No.9698718

>>9698713
I guess we know who ZUN's waifu is.

>> No.9698722
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9698722

but honestly, most of them don't look as bad as reimu/sakuya. Those are the worst characters zun can draw.

>> No.9698748
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>>9698713
Best Marisa IN
Best Reimu PCB

Zun art is fine.

>> No.9698783

>>9698713
I love their expressions in SA. It's like their minds have completely fallen apart.

>> No.9698789

>>9698288
>>9698722
If you're going to discuss ZUN at least use art drawn by him.

>> No.9698797

>>9698341
>>9698549
Shanghai Alice isn't a company, it's a circle.

>> No.9698820
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9698820

>>9698713
How did I never notice Marisa has 4 fingers?

>> No.9698840

>>9698820
So, she became a yakuza before ufo?

>> No.9698840,1 [INTERNAL] 

derp

>> No.9698974

>>9698713
That graph is shit. UFO Reimu is the best Reimu, with PCB Reimu being a close second.

>> No.9699323

His art has its charm :-). It isn't good technically, but I like his style ^^;

>> No.9699552

>>9698325
The Ten Desires portraits are adorable.

>> No.9699557

>>9699552
marisa looks like a lifeless sexdoll.
youmu is easily the best looking one of the four

>> No.9699565

>>9699557
>marisa looks like a lifeless sexdoll.
>marisa looks like a lifeless sexdoll.
>marisa looks like a lifeless sexdoll.

…and?

>> No.9699569

>>9699565
and the others look more human

>> No.9699568

>>9699557
Except Zun took away Youmu's straight bangs which was 90% of her appeal.

>> No.9699587

Flandre is not flanshit
or any other kind of shit for that matter.

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9699591

>>9699568
these? they looked hideous

>> No.9699592
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9699592

I haven't read this thread and don't know what direction it is taking.

I just came in here to say that Kogasa is the best touhou drawing zun has ever done to date.

>> No.9699596 [SPOILER] 
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9699596

>>9699587
Shut up, easily the worst touhou.

>> No.9699599

>>9699592
Is that you Stevo?

>> No.9699600

>>9699592
pretty much

>> No.9699604
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9699604

>>9699592
because it has something vaguely resembling knees?

For some reason I think that IN as a whole has the best drawings (although that's not saying much)

>> No.9699613

>>9699596
Kaguya is much closer to being worst than Flandre
and 495 Go! is a fucking masterpiece.

>> No.9699616

>>9699592
Holy shit her right hand actually sort of looks like a hand.

>> No.9699630
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9699630

lets see you spergmeisters better than the Z-man himself

>> No.9699637

>>9699596
Flandre is up there with Aya, Nitori, and Momiji.

>> No.9699647
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9699647

>>9699630
zun can't even do something 50% as appealing as this sweet girl

>> No.9699656

>>9699647
Who's dat?

>> No.9699670

>>9699647
Flandre ist besser.

>> No.9699683

>>9699656
a 2hu created by some anon from /jp/

>> No.9699699

>>9699670
Indeed, Flandre is truly the best Touhou character that Zun has ever created.

>> No.9699759
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9699759

Better arts like TF's ones really destroy all characters' personailty.

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9699772

>>9698713
I was going to add the missing sprites, but I feel lazy.

>>9699557
Her hair looks like a dead animal.

>>9699592
I say it's Parusee.

>> No.9699779

>>9699772
Only thing that I disagree with is your liking of tinyarms

>> No.9699787

>>9698319
>I think it'd rid most of the secondary shit.
Why the fuck would he ever want to do that?

>> No.9699820

actually, if ZUN's art like, yeah, generic moe artwork like VN, i wouldn't interested to touhou, NOT AT ALL
his artwork is not generic, and has its charm
>>9698311
>Because people keep feeding him excuses like, "Your art has its charm :-)", or, "It isn't good technically, but I like your style ^^;".
what the fuck is wrong with that

>> No.9699831

If ZUN improved his anatomy and kept the faces, he would be KamS.

>> No.9699891

>>9699772
Why is the scale on your Reimu graph in reverse?

>> No.9700118

>>9699831
Yes, and Flandre is the best
SET UP AND SESSION MOTHERFUCKERS

BURNING DOWN THE HOUSE

WE DON'T NEED NO WATER
LET THE MOTHERFUCKER BURN

set up and session

>> No.9700127

>>9700118
What?

>> No.9700140
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>>9700127
The fire rises brother!

>> No.9700153

>>9699831
Who do we have to pay to have ZUN replaces with KamS?

>> No.9700158

>>9698288
>Gaben started small back before Half Life
Not really, he had a good position and then called quits.

>> No.9700206

>>9698288

>Gaben started small back before Half Life was released, now he's head of the PC master company Valve.

That's not what happened at all. What the fuck are you smoking?

Gaben became fucking rich because he invested heavily in Microsoft early on, becoming one of the 'Microsoft Millionaires'. He then left Microsoft and wanted to create a video game, so he funded everything himself. The paychecks for his employees were literally from his own, personal bank account. He was rich BEFORE Half-Life.

Of course, according to current estimates, he's now a billionaire, but still.

>> No.9701096

>>9699772
Marisa's MoF sprite is still the absolute worst.

>> No.9701368

>>9698556
Compare any portrait from EoSD to any portrait from MoF.
Yeah, he is so much better now. Yeah.

>> No.9701435

>>9701096
I think it's the best actually, honest opinion/

>> No.9701450

>>9699820
>actually, if ZUN's art like, yeah, generic moe artwork like VN, i wouldn't interested to touhou, NOT AT ALL
Wow. Too bad ZUN's art is so UNIQUE...

>> No.9701546

>>9701368
IN and UFO have the best portraits.
I heard he had help for UFO's though

>> No.9706781

upload test?

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