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Old thread: >>9556825

Let's celebrate for Touhou week:
- August 11st: EoSD's birthday
- August 14th: TD, GFW, PoFV and LLS's birthday
- August 15th: IN, UFO, HRtP, SoEW and Soku's birthday
- August 16th: SA's birthday
- August 17tht: MoF and PCB's birthday

>> No.9583407

>>9583030

So today's UFO's birthday? Shit, that means I have to play it.

I've kind of burned myself out on these games. At the start of the summer, I finally 1cc'd EoSD (after first getting it five-and-a-half months prior), and since then I've 1cc'd every integer Windows Touhou (aside from PoFV since I don't care for it) on Normal, beaten every Extra Stage, and 1cc'd all of the same games on Hard EXCEPT for UFO. Not that it's been particularly difficult, it's just that I don't feel like playing these games for awhile since I've been playing them ALL SUMMER LONG.

>> No.9583633

>>9583407
Do it man. I just 1cc it with SanaeA. It's a very good run. I did perfectly from stage 1 to stage 5. Got a bit wrong at the start of Byakuren and died a lot at her last card. But it's still good nonetheless. I also 1cc IN today with Malice.

SoEW is still too hard for me. I already clear everything in Soku and SWR. Gonna try HRtP now.

Yesterday i failed to 1cc no bomb TD but still managed to 1cc GFW and PoFV.

Tomorrow maybe not so tired because i'm quite ok with SA.

>> No.9584974

Woot, I've died like 5 times in Gengetsu last courtain before defeating her with 0l/0b

>> No.9585761

Got redirected here, finally beat a Touhou game. PoFV on Normal as Youmu. It was so close too, all continues used, last life, one hit I'm dead.

>> No.9585786

>>9585761
lol PoFV doesn't really count as a start, but grats anyway.

>> No.9585828

>>9585786
I thought it was hard since you can't really memorize the spellcards. Gonna keep playing it till I get sick of it then move on to EoSD

>> No.9585849

>>9585828
It has the same level of memorization as EoSD if you want to put it that way.

Anyway 1ccing EoSD is much easier than PoFV so you should be fine

>> No.9585850

>>9585828
using all continues is not considered beating it because losing in PoFV makes the game easier

>> No.9585880
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9585880

I torrented all of the games recently but I can't get them to work. I never had a problem with any of the touhou games I downloaded of off /rs/, but these torrented ones are wanting me to use mounting software and put everything in Japanese locale and whatnot, like a VN, which I did, but I still can't get them to start.

I know that /jp/ isn't tech support for people too stupid to use computers, but does anyone have any idea what's wrong?

>> No.9585884

>>9585880
Get better with computers.

>> No.9585896

>>9585884
I'm trying.

>> No.9585946

>11st

>> No.9585943

>>9585880

If you're talking about the old touhou games, download anex86, mount the games on the HDD slot, then click config button, go to fonts, and pick a file called anex86.bmp. (If you don't have it download it from google.com)

The other translated games should play fine on windows normally, not sure about any other OS.

>> No.9585944

>>9585880
http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=torrentinfo&tid=80746
It's missing 12.5, 12.8, and 13

>> No.9585949

>>9585946
correct, the onetyfirST of august

>> No.9585954

>>9585943
>>9585944
thanks

>> No.9585996
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9585996

Does /jp/ have those spell card guides anywhere? They're not on the touhou wiki.

I need some tips for Orin or something.

>> No.9586020

>>9585996
I have the Orin one but honestly just stage practice and practice practice practice.

>> No.9586030

>>9585996
Use the arrow keys to dodge bullets.

>> No.9586037

>>9585996
Hold shift for focused movement

>> No.9586040

>>9586020
Alright... but sometimes I wonder if I'm autistic enough to master touhou without cheating.

>> No.9586076

>>9585996
To kill the Orin, shoot at it until it dies.

>> No.9586085

>>9586076
>it

That's rude. Orin is a she.

>> No.9586089

Happy Birthday, Touhou.

>> No.9586091

>>9586085
I'm sorry.

>> No.9586202

What are your favorite shot types for the Windows Touhous? I want to see if anyone has any unusual choices.

Pardon my misuse of greentext; I'm not quoting anyone, but it makes the list easier to read.

>EoSD
MarisaA
>PCB
SakuyaA
>IN
Sakuya & Remilia
>MoF
MarisaC
>SA
ReimuA
>UFO
SanaeB
>TD
Reimu

>> No.9586230

>>9586202

>EoSD
Marisa B
>PCB
Sakuya B
>IN
Sakuya + Remilia
>MoF
Reimu A
>SA
Marisa A
>UFO
Sanae B
>TD
Sanae

>> No.9586246

>>9586202
>EoSD
MarisaA
>PCB
SakuyaB
>IN
Team Ghost
>MoF
MarisaB (I don't abuse the damage bug)
>SA
MarisaB
>UFO
MarisaA
>TD
Marisa

>> No.9586250

How is PCB's normal and hard difficulty compared to EoSD?

>> No.9586251

>>9586202
>EoSD
Marisa B
>PSB
Sakuya A
>IN
Scarlet Team
>MoF
Reimu B
>SA
Marisa A
>UFO
Sanae B
>TD
Youmu

>> No.9586263
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9586263

>>9586250
Eh, I'd say PCB Normal is easier than EoSD because hitbox.

Hard, well again PCB has an easier Hard. Scarlet Meister and Scarlet Gensokyo man.

>> No.9586265

>>9586250
I find it a bit easier because of the visible hitbox and how easy it is to get lives and borders.

>> No.9586267

>>9586202
>EoSD
MarisaB
>PCB
MarisaB
>IN
Youmu solo (Marisa+Alice in 2nd)
>MoF
MarisaA
>SA
MarisaB
>UFO
MarisaB
>TD
Sanae

>> No.9586290

Hey /jp/, when I torrented all the games, my copy of EoSD has the sprite replacement mod, and the visible hitbox mod. Is that cheating?

>> No.9586291

>>9583407
Are you me two weeks ago? 1cc'd UFO on Hard with Sanae A. I could never imagine beating any of them with decent score though.
>>9586202
>EoSD
ReimuB
>PCB
ReimuB
>IN
Youmu solo
>MoF
ReimuB
>SA
ReimuA
>UFO
ReimuA
>TD
Reimu

Needles needles needles

>> No.9586293

>>9586290
Yes.

>> No.9586325

>>9586293
What about the sprite replacement mod?

>> No.9586327
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9586327

>>9586202

>EoSD
MarisaB
>PCB
SakuyaA
>IN
Marisa/Alice
>MoF
ReimuB
>SA
ReimuB
>UFO
ReimuB
>TD
Youmu

Any reccommendations?

>> No.9586337

>>9586325
Yes.

>> No.9586344

>>9586325
It's heresy to alter the game like that.

>> No.9586349

>>9586344
>>9586337
Shit nigga, I've played it up to Patchy. Where can I get a copy with only a translation patch? Nyaa and Piratebay only have modded copies.

>> No.9586363

>>9586202
>EoSD
ReimuA
>PCB
SakuyaA
>IN
Yukari solo
>MoF
ReimuA
>SA
ReimuB
>UFO
ReimuA
>TD
Reimu

I always do so much better with a homing shot type and I don't know why. Oh well, they're weak but they get the job done.

>> No.9586366

>>9586325
Speaking of graphics, when did ZUN get better at sprites? PoFV looks really good, but EoSD unmodded looks eh.

>> No.9586400

>>9586349
EoSD isn't hard enough that 1ccing the game would depend on being able to see your hitbox. If you can't roughly gauge the size and location of your hitbox without having it visible, you weren't going to beat the game on anyway, because most patterns (on Normal) don't have hitbox-sized gaps. When you can 1cc it handily, you could probably do it again without the hitbox patch just as easily.

More power to you if you insist on playing without the visible hitbox though.
>>9586366
Over time.

>> No.9586402

>>9586349
Nevermind, found one.

>> No.9586406

>>9586400
I found one. I'm the guy who beat PoFV, I never moved with shift so I just knew where my hitbox was. Never needed a visible one.

>> No.9586412 [DELETED] 

>>9586402
where?

>> No.9586429

>>9586402
on nyaa or piratebay or somewhere else entirely?

>> No.9586432

>>9586429
Piratebay. I never realized how modded the textures were. Also the translations for names is just right over the moons runes.

>> No.9586527
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9586527

>>9586432

I got mine from PB too...but in the torrent EoSD came with a separate retexture patch which I didn't install.

Was I deluded all these years? ;__;

>> No.9586564

>>9586527
Yes

>> No.9586594

>>9586564

You're kidding, right?

Every other video i've watched of EoSD has the same graphics as mine.

Unless they all came with modded graphics.

What the original look like, anyway?

>> No.9586607

>>9586594
I was kidding. Is that a hitbox or did you get hit by a bullet?

>> No.9586636

>>9586607

No hitbox. That is a bullet.

>> No.9586660

Sheit nigga, I never knew my copy was EoSD was modded. It looks better with the mods, but ZUN art or bust.

>> No.9586751

>>9586202
Secondary here.

ReimuA is the easiest shot for EoSD survival, but I do prefer MarisaB when it comes to playing the game. She's better for silly challenges.

I used to main SakuyaB with PCB, but the bomb timings were too hard and SakuyaB was way too bombing based for me. Nowadays I've become fond of ReimuA, but I still play without bombs since it is too hard for me to time the bombs.

I've played IN easy with every team, but I have the most hours on Yuyuko solo. I kind of like Magic team too for the yuri subtext, and I've done some lunatic runs on Border team.

I play PoFV against one person, we always play Youmu versus Tewi. I'm Youmu.

I really rarely play MoF. But I did some lunatic and extra with ReimuC. Nothing good came out from it.

SA is not my thing, but I usually play ReimuA. I've dome MarisaA for the dialogues, too.

I spent way too long doing UFO MarisaA. I will maybe revisit it some day, possibly resort to SanaeB. But that shall wait.

I don't really do TD, but I did a few Reimu and Marisa things early on. They were bad (the things I did)

>> No.9586778

>>9586751
You're supposed to hit X before you die, not after.

>> No.9586800

>>9586778
I meant the scoring bombs

>> No.9586820

>>9586751
>Secondary here
But you've played a lot of the games, that makes you not a secondary.

>> No.9586821

>>9586751

I admit I actually like the inaccurate translation of IN's magic team more. Maybe i'm just a secondary in denial

>> No.9586826

>>9586821
>>9586751
What yuri subtext? What mistranslation? I haven't played it yet, am I better off reading the translations on the wiki?

>> No.9586828

>>9586821
The translation is okay but the main thing is the endings. Especially the bad one. Hnnnnnng.

>>9586820
I've also read a lot of doujinshi and fanfiction, listened to a lot of music arranges and even went as far as bought some doujinshi.
I also don't play the games for the gameplay itself. I always have some other thing in mind.

>> No.9586849
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9586849

>>9586828
>I've also read a lot of doujinshi and fanfiction, listened to a lot of music arranges and even went as far as bought some doujinshi.
So? You're still playing the games.
>I also don't play the games for the gameplay itself.
But you do play them.

>> No.9586860

>>9586800
w

>> No.9586863

>>9586849

``tertiary" is just a silly category.

What's next, quaternaries?

>> No.9586870

>>9586826
Seriously what are you talking about?

>> No.9586869

>>9586863
I saw on post recently that said

Primary: Canon
Secondary: Fanon based on canon
Tertiary: Fanon based on fanon

I like that idea.

>> No.9586879

>>9586863
Quaternaries:People who say they know about Touhou, but don't know anything about it.

>> No.9586882

>>9586869

``fanon based on fanon" is just redundant. That can be lumped together under ``fanon", regardless of origin (because fanon by definition distinguishes it by being NOT canon, not being "more or less fanon than other fanon").

>> No.9586885

>>9586863
I'm a quaternary, got a problem?

>> No.9586903

>>9586879

Quinternaries: people who don't know about Touhou and don't claim they do, often the object of quarternaries' attentions as they are the only group they can impress, being looked down upon by even tertiaries.

>> No.9586905

>>9586879
So That Kid?

>playing Touhou 13
>die
>I'll never beat this game
>That Kid comes up
>Lol why are you playing this? My dad works for Touhou. I've already beaten Touhou 20


Excuse the greentext, couldn't think of any other way to type that.

>> No.9586906

>>9586885
Quinary here, get on my level you kid.

>> No.9586914

I always think primaries are people who are able to 1cc any game on Normal. Some people may think strictlier that primaries must be able to 1cc every game on Normal with default lives.

Whatever it is, if a person can't 1cc Normal without cheating, he's a secondary in my eyes,

>> No.9586935

>>9586903
Sexternaries: Sanae

>> No.9586955

>>9586906
⑨ary here, eye am strongest xDXD!!

>> No.9586964

>>9586955
The sad thing is, someone in this world would say that unironically.

>> No.9586980

>>9586914
Add "with no increased life stock" onto that, and I can generally agree. Even on Normal, 1ccing a shmup is nigh impossible for the typical casual secondary.

>> No.9587000

>>9586980
you can count additional life stock as cheating

>> No.9587014

>>9587000
Extra lives is only cheating as much as continues are; that is to say, it isn't, it just means it's not a 1cc.

>> No.9587034
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9587034

Has anyone played this? It's like a big love letter to the Gradius series and is a whole lot of fun. Available on Steam if you're into that.

>> No.9587090

>>9586870
>>9586826
Watch the bad end

>> No.9587105

>>9586366
>alphes had involvement in Phantasmagoria of Flower View who helped with the graphics and did the art for all the endings within the game.
That explains it.

>> No.9587118

>>9587090
I could barely beat PoFV, and the wiki doesn't have them. Could you explain? I refuse to play on Easy.

>> No.9587121

Serious Question: Is Cho Aniki fun to play? All the hilarity around it hyped it up, but is it an actually good game?

>> No.9587123
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9587123

Is there a torrent out there for scanlated Touhou manga + books?

It's a real pain going around trying to find individual mediafire links for all of them, and I've checked the major torrent sites.

>> No.9587139

>>9587118
If you can't play above easy, you are already the embarrassment you wish you weren't. Playing there will only help you overcome the disgrace you've been all your life.

>> No.9587171

>>9587139
I beat PoFV on Normal, but it took a long time to get to that point. I'm having this discussion NOW, unless you want to resume it in 2 months or so when I beat IN.

>> No.9587178

>>9587123
All on the Wiki.

>> No.9587298
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9587298

>>9587118
You can continue for the bad end. I'm not posting the normal or good endings, though. You will have to unlock those by yourself.

>> No.9587329

>>9587298
There is also the first scene in the good end where Alice is tsundere for Marisa

>> No.9587354

>>9587329
>>9587298
Thanks. I just wanted to know so I could understand what you were talking about. I ALWAYS earn my endings.

>> No.9587397

Just played TD for the first time on Normal, Game Over'd on the 4th Stage boss. I have a question about the dying gimmick. Is there a way to get back to life from it? Or is it just sort of an extended bomb for when you fuck up? Also Yoshika is cute.

>> No.9587425

>>9587397
No, but sometimes when you're dying your last death you can get enough life pieces to 1up and continue the game.

>> No.9587490

>>9587298
What's Yuri about that? Two people work at a table, one is lazy and fell asleep. Is there some other context before then?

>> No.9587491

>>9587397
No, but you can activate the trance mode yourself with C if it's full.

>> No.9587497
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9587497

>>9587490
You much watch it with your heart.

We probably should get back ontopic, though.

>> No.9587496

>>9587298
Ooooh! Those diry yuri whores!
They fucked, didn't they? I bet they fucked and scissored like mad all night long. That's why Alice is so tired.

>> No.9587502

>>9587397
Ah one more thing, in trance mode all the purple and green spirits are worth double.
So if you see a lot of them on the screen, go into trance before collecting them.

>> No.9587683

>>9586202
>EoSD
MarisaA
>PCB
ReimuB
>IN
None.
>MoF
MarisaC
>SA
MarisaC
>UFO
MarisaB
>TD
Marisa
>>9586250
I would say that PCB is easier than EoSD on those levels.
>>9586290
Yes, very much.

>> No.9588007

>>9587683

>>SA
>MarisaC

Isn't that the one where bombs are essentially an extended Spiritual Border from PCB? I didn't think too highly of it, as it seemed like a bomb that you would use if you weren't sure if you were going to get hit or not. Ideally, unless you're going for score, shouldn't you only use bombs when you KNOW you're going to get hit?

>> No.9588013

>>9588007
>unless you're going for score, shouldn't you only use bombs when you KNOW you're going to get hit?

In SA your best bet is bombing as soon as you get them. This way you are guaranteed to not waste resources.

>> No.9588136

Anyone streaming today?

>> No.9588427

1cc'd GundeadliGne. Somehow I defeated the boss I complained about in the previous thread, although I purposefully kept my Phase level low.
What're the conditions for true final boss?

>> No.9588529
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9588529

'Cause it's hard to stay discouraged with Riz around.

I reached Byakuren with no lives, even after bombing like an asshole on stage 5. Not good, not good. Granted, I fumbled on every stage, but I can't really count on optimal stages 1-4, and even then I'd arrive at her with ~4 lives. Shou's attacks and stage 5 in general is much too scary to not bomb, especially while on a full run with my hands shaking three feet in every direction, and I can imagine it if hangs on that, I'll have to pray for good luck to survive.

I know nobody actually gives two shits, but you can watch my failure at http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=23244

>> No.9588629

>>9588007
I like MarisaC's shot even without the bomb.
>>9588013
Bombing without need isn't wasting resources?
>>9588136
I might stream later today. If not, I'll do it within the next few days. I've been avoiding streaming for a while so that I could have perfect focus on the game.
>>9588529
That attack cost me a perfect Byakuren with SanaeA just the other day. It was the first time I had died to it in months. Byakuren's first nonspell isn't that bad once you get used to it. It's also easy to know when you are clipped so you can bomb early. It looks to me like you were just nervous. I'll review your replay thoroughly once I'm at my usual computer.

Also, if you need something to help you feel better: http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=23222
Even Riz fails sometimes.

Nervousness cost me many runs when I was starting out. If I were you, I would just focus and not let it get in the way. Once you get more experienced, you will be able to use it towards your advantage. If you are so nervous that you think you are going to get overwhelmed, take a break and drink some tea.

>> No.9588653

#pofv pls go

>> No.9588749
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>>9588653
why so free, /jp/?

>> No.9588791

>EoSD
Reimu A
>PCB
Sakuya A
>IN
Yukarei
>MoF
Reimu C
>SA
Marisa B
>UFO
Sanae B, granted I haven't played much
>TD
I'll get around to it sooner or later.

You also forgot
>PoFV
Yuka for humans, Youmu or Aya for AI

>> No.9588800

What's the best shot type for NDNBNUFO UFO Extra stage? Also, is there a difference in damage between ReimuA and MarisaA?

>> No.9588816

>>9588800
ReimuA is a bit stronger.

>> No.9588829

>>9588800
SanaeB, and yes. ReimuA does 172 dps at full power, while MarisaA does only 153.

>> No.9588834

What do these streams involve exactly? Is it just a guy playing Touhou? That sounds nice and all, but I thought it might also be fun to chat with a fellow /jp/sie and watch them get drunk while playing the games or something. Hell, I'm willing to do it. Does anyone think this is a decent idea?

>> No.9588881

>>9588834
Most streamers do a voiceover, and /jp/ is being /jp/ in the chat.

>> No.9588890 [DELETED] 

>>9588834
Well, most of them do chat with us. And yeah, I've thought of that. It would be interesting to see Riz getting drunk while playing.

>> No.9588912

>>9588834
Well, most of them do commentate and chat with us. And yeah, I've thought of that. It would be interesting to see Riz getting drunk while playing.

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9589473

Woooh!
I finally managed to beat Byakurenn on hard!
Even though it wasn't a 1cc, I am really happy because now I can start practicing on that stage.
I wonder how long it will take to 1cc...

>> No.9589557

Wow. PCB for the first time with Sakuya, and manage to get to the 6th stage on my very first go even though I had 2 very stupid mistakes in the first 2 stages and lost 2 lives at Youmu's first non-spellcard out of excitement because I was doing that well.

All this on lunatic, I can't stop grinning.

>> No.9589569

>>9588834
>fun

Filthy dumb crossboard scum.

/jp/ is a no-fun zone

>> No.9589575

>>9589557
Knives, knives everywhere, homing knives, knifespam, etc.

I felt like I was Sakuya from EoSD finally getting my revenge on the game. Fuck you game.

>> No.9589627

I made it to 1-5 on my very first Ketsui run ever. It felt pretty good, but I game overed at the TATEhana, so yeah. ;_;

How the hell does scoring work in this anyway? The only thing I've noticed in the superplays that I've watched is that I need to pointblank everything.

>> No.9589629

>>9587178

A lot of the wiki mediafire links (the fairy manga comes to mind) are dead.

>>9587123

http://moriyashrine.weebly.com/print-works.html Has a bunch of batches. BBT has a few torrents of the completed ones.

>> No.9589714

I'm kind of tired and the weather is moody, so I probably won't be too long: http://www.livestream.com/stouhou
I'm also going to have to take a few breaks, so beware.

>>9588834
It's usually a video of the game and a voiceover. Sometimes, it also involves music. I would add a video of my hands on the keyboard, but I don't have a webcam. That's a work in progress.
>>9588912
>It would be interesting to see Riz getting drunk while playing.
Nie ma mowy!! I am abstinent and I will never drink.
>>9589627
The biggest thing in Cave games is going to be chaining. I think bullet canceling might also be a factor, but I'm not sure.

>> No.9589732

>>9589627
Pointblank something while non-focused and it will drop a 5-box. Pick it up and use focused fire until the timer runs out. Repeat.

>> No.9589738
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9589738

Relative newcomer to Touhou here, I had an amazing run (for me anyhow) and got to Eirin's boss fight in IN, but ended up losing.

My biggest problems are fighting Keine, Marisa and Reisen. I'm not sure why I have such a terrible time of dodging their spells. At least with Reisen I know it's because I have no idea how to dodge pic related.

Plus, by the time I get to Reisen's fight, I have barely any lives left from fighting Marisa.

>> No.9589753

>>9589627
>I made it to 1-5 on my very first Ketsui run ever.
That's insanely good. How come you haven't played it before?

>> No.9589810

>>9589732
Oh, okay. That's simple enough, let's see if I can actually execute it in game.

>>9589753
It really isn't that impressive, but I wasn't going to play it until I had gotten a 1-ALL of DOJ(got it yesterday after weeks of brute forcing it.)

I spent a lot of time studying superplays before playing, so I knew everything that would be ahead. Not only that, but I bombed everything terrible in the first loop. How is the 360 port of Ketsui, anyway? I have the PS2 and 360 ports of DOJ and I'd say both of them are great. Much better than the PS2 port of Mushihime-Sama, which kind of scared me away from buying ports for awhile.

>> No.9589946

>>9589738

Keine: I tend to unfocus during her nonspells, it seems she doesn't shoot as many bullets that way.

As for that spell card, you need to go with the flow and find another safespot when it freezes then keep following. The concept is pretty simple but I can't really do it on normal well. I find the card after that (with spirits in each corner) to be even more problematic.

And in other news, easy UFO 1cc. Damn is that game generous with resources if you play the ufos right, but I'm still not very fond of the mechanic.

>> No.9589991

>>9589738
I used to have problems with that spellcard when I first started playing Touhou. Thousands of runs later, and now I can capture it no problem. All I can say is practice, practice, practice. Practice until you get sick to your stomach and your hands begin to stop working from the fatigue. And once you have it hard-wired into your memory, you will never ever be able to forget about it!

Might get a bit rusty if you haven't played for a year or two, but the skills will always come back. It's like riding a bike. As for Marisa, she can be really tricky for the first couple of plays. Use Stage Practice for awhile and make use of the extra lives you get there. Instead of just blasting the hell out of her, study the spellcards she has and attempt to time it out or even just no a no-bomb run of the boss. You would be surprised how much this has helped me when I first started not, but different practice methods might not work for other people and vise versa.

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>>9589946
I just noticed this last playthrough that certain bullets behave differently when focused and unfocused, so I'll have to try that. I figured the solution was something along those lines, so I'll have to do a few practice runs to see if I can get a good feel for it.

>>9589991
I wish I had that much time to practice! You did call me out though, my strategy has been to focus and graze like a motherfucker to stay on Marisa with direct fire, which doesn't work out most of the time. Haven't tried to time out anyone's spell cards before, since I reach a point where I get over-nervous and might panic and use a bomb (or slip-up and get hit). I'll have to give it a go!

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>>9589738
That spell isn't too bad, but there's variation, so sometimes you'll just get shat on. When the bullets phase out, fly up while counting 2 seconds in your head, then get to a nearby gap (the phase out lasts 2.5 by my reckoning); unfocus if you have to. On normal, tapping down while focused will move you at about the same speed as the bullets. As a bonus, here's a visual guide to her first (much easier) spell.

>> No.9590161

I hate extreme color typhoon so much when it's late at night and my eyes are hurting.

Why. So many colors.

>> No.9590158

>>9590142

Huh, I always do that one going into the bottom of the intersection (in the middle) then inching down.

Do you have one of those for the loafing sign?

>> No.9590203

>>9590158
Check back in 15-20 minutes. I actually captured it for the first time just now, so I'll go ahead and make one.

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>>9590158
I would have liked to stick a yukkuri or something in all that blank space, but Reisens are apparently hard to find good pictures of.

>> No.9590376

>>9590328

Thanks dude!

>I would have liked to stick a yukkuri or something in all that blank space

I'm glad you didn't, those things are gross.

>> No.9590388

>>9590328
No problem. Like I mentioned earlier, I ended up helping myself by stumbling onto a better strategy for that spell just now because I'm out of practice.

>those things are gross.
I used to dislike them as well, but they grew on me.

>> No.9590426

>>9590328
>>9590142
Do you really need a manual for this?

I mean this ain't rocket science, you can figure this out on your own after trying it in spell practise a few times.

>> No.9592315
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Son of a bitch. I'm the PoFV Normal Youmu guy. Friend was saying when I was fucking up, so after watching me beat it I gave him a turn. He has NEVER played a Touhou game before. He beat it on his first try, Normal Marisa. So then he does another round. Normal Sakuya. First try again. He couldn't do it as Reisen, and I was doing much better as Reisen, though I still couldn't beat Yama. Is Youmu hard mode?

>> No.9592404

Riz, or anyone else here who's able to help me, would you be so kind as to upload a score.dat with all UFO Lunatic stages unlocked in practice with MarisaA? I can't see myself beating Byakuren with continues anytime soon without extreme luck, and I'd rather not have to fight for the ability to practice at my own pace anymore.

>> No.9592415

For all of your IN Normal stage 4B needs:
http://mediafire.com/?sveso35w9o4192a

The image set contains a .txt file that explains the route.

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>>9592315

>> No.9592427

>>9592315
to be honest PoFV is pretty easy compared to most Touhou games

Does he play a lot of STG games?

>> No.9592443

>>9592427
Not even in his life.
>pretty easy
I didn't think so.

>> No.9592457

>>9592443
I have no idea then.

I can't even beat EoSD or PCB on normal, yet I can complete PoFV on normal.

>> No.9592458

>>9592315
Against computers, some characters do have a notable advantage, since computers often struggle dodging fast/thick bullets. It's most pronounced in Aya, though Sakuya and Marisa will have a pretty easy time too.

>> No.9592465

What are the best Cave games?

>> No.9592475

Just cleared PCB hard for my first time during its anniversary. feels good man. I'll also try to do a lunatic 1cc before the day ends.

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>> No.9592504
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9592504

Let's play a game of Eggs catcher

Today's challenge:
Stage: EoSD stage 3 practice
Difficulty: Normal or higher
Condition: No bomb + no vertical (only move left and right)
Victory condition: Highest point items collected

This stage's bullet pattern is very interesting when you try to do it without vertical movements.

>> No.9592565

>>9592315
How many continues did you use ? And him ?

>> No.9592623

>>9592565
I beat it on my very last life, one hit I'm dead. He beat it as Marisa with 2 lives left, 1 life left as Sakuya.

>> No.9592632

I'm trying to 1cc TD, but I don't think I'm using my spirit energy think right. If it's full, should I use it before or after I deplete my balls? Or should I save it for some other time? I just had a good run, but I fucked it up on Level 5. It seems that I just can't get enough lives to last.

>> No.9592634

>>9592632
>think
>balls

Sorry, I must be retarded. I meant "thing" and "bombs".

>> No.9592639

>>9592623
So you didn't use any continue ?
That's better than 80% of players here.
And your friend must be better than 98% of players here.

>> No.9592642

>>9592639
Last life as in last life, die and start all over.

>> No.9592713

>>9592639
I am pretty sure that at least 10% of the people in this thread can 1cc PoFV with several lives left.

>> No.9592744

>>9592713
He said his friend beat PoFV at first try and he hasn't played STG before. How many of you can 1cc touhou at first try without any STG experience ?

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>>9592504
Feels stupid.

>> No.9592766

>>9592744
PoFV is a strange case among the touhou games.

There are people who can clear the other games perfectly fine, but always fail at PoFV unless they use one of the AI killers(primarily Aya and Medicine) as well as people who 1cc the PoFV with ease, but have large amounts of difficulty 1ccing the other games.

PoFV is weird like that.

Now if it was a PoDD first try clear then he is clearly god like.

>> No.9592790

>>9592465
My favorites are Ketsui, Daioujou and Dangun Feveron. I haven't played the newer ones because I can't afford a 360.

>> No.9592794

>>9592632

In terms of whether you should use Trance or bombs first, as purely a survival thing, I'm not sure if there's an answer that fits all.

Something to keep in mind is that the spirit items you collect are enhanced in Trance mode. This includes the pink spirits and the green spirits; collecting them in Trance mode gives you two pieces for each spirit instead of one. Best way to get the most out of Trance is to use it whenever a bunch of pink and green spirits appear. This can be from when a bunch of those tough enemies (that drop pink and green spirits upon death) spawn, or after breaking a boss's Spell Card.

>> No.9592949

>>9592632

Bombs are generally a more disposable resource. Similarly Trance mode as mentioned by the guy above me can and should be used to maximize Green/Purple spirit pickups, which in turn translates to a much larger number of available Bombs. There are a couple of places, off the top of my head stage 4 and 5 specifically that have an excellent number of enemies to maximize on Greens.

However, in the case of the final boss and her respective stage, there isn't any particular reason to not use either before the other as there are no drops to be had. The only thing to consider is, if you use Trance Mode, are you maximizing damage or will you take her out (and thus lose effective damage).

>> No.9592953

>>9592493

2. Use a bomb if necessary!

>>9592458

Did anyone else feel like Sakuya's zone thing was the awkward shit ever?

>> No.9592958

check it
http://youtu.be/DI78lhR1P9A

>> No.9592966

>>9592958

No sir, I don't like it.

>> No.9593138

>>9592404
You can use this clean score.dat: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/33903796/th_unlock/index.html
But here is mine if you are still interested: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/44327672/scoreth12.dat

>> No.9593160

>>9592744
I beat PoFV first try on normal, then again I had played a lot of twinkle star sprites before.

>> No.9593312
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I wonder if anybody else on here agrees with me that IN on hard mode (with default lives and bombs) is quite difficult compared to some of the other games (obviously I'm not saying it's harder than SA/UFO hard though).
I mean, I beat PCB hard on my 4th attempt, I've not tried EOSD many times, but each time I did, I got to sakuya/stage 6 most of the time. IN though has been giving me some trouble. The weird thing is, I suck at spells/non spells that are supposed to be easy, and am quite good at the ones that are supposedly harder. Take Reisens second spell for example, I am terrible at that one. Now I know how to do it, I'm not looking for any advice or nothing because I don't think that would help at all...all you do is look out for a gap, go to it and press down pretty much, but alas, I fail at it. Reisens third spell however, I can do 80% of the time.
I also find Reimu harder than Marisa.

>> No.9593318

>>9588529
Whoops. I almost forgot about this. Alright:
Your collection in dodging in the first four stages were great. I'm starting to suspect that you did'nt end stages with UFO's because of your experience with stage practice, but I think that's silly. You did bad on stage 5 and that dragged into stage 6. I don't think that a clear is far away from you.

>> No.9593320

>>9593312
reimu is harder than marisa.

>> No.9593329

I played Shoot the Bullet for the first time yesterday.
What a strange game.
I had fun although I did terribly.

>> No.9593514
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9593514

That feel when you cant even 1CC easy mode. Owned at life and owned at video games.

>> No.9593525

>>9593514
>that feel
>can't 1cc easy
>owned

Allow me to show you the place you're searching for
>>>/v/

>> No.9593567

riz stream for me, I want your voice in my ears

>> No.9593575

>>9593525
but nobody discusses touhou on v or vg, you should get out and let new players stay

>> No.9593578

finnscum pls go

>> No.9593582

>>9593514
>>9593525

Please stop using ``feel" as a noun.
Please stop using greentext.

>> No.9593756

>>9593312

I agree with you. I figured IN would be one of the easier games on Hard mode, but God DAMN it was a struggle to get a 1cc. Since it's also my least favorite of the integer Windows games (aside from PoFV which I just skipped outright), struggling so much for so long was not a fun time.

>> No.9593778

>>9593582
Stop using ``faggot quotes'' incorrectly, ``please''!

>> No.9593813

I can't help but feel that if MoF and TD shat lives and bombs at you at the rates PCB and EOSD do, they'd be the easiest games to 1cc by far. Especially TD. Anyone else think this?

>> No.9593838

>>9593575
Just because no one discusses touhou on /v/ doesn't mean you come to our home using your /v/ me-mes. Please be considerate of other board customs and courtesies when crossboarding.

>> No.9593839

>>9593813

MoF shits far more bombs at you than PCB, which makes it basically the easiest game to normal 1cc.

And yes, TD's limited resources are one of the larger parts of its challenge.

>> No.9593903

>>9593813
But TD already is the easiest game to 1cc, even though it doesn't give you a lot of resources.

And you get tons of bombs in MoF.

>> No.9593906

Am I just bad at this if I've been playing EoSD for a week and haven't even beaten it on NORMAL?

>> No.9593932

>>9593906
How much do you play per day? It took me about a year of playing once per month to 1cc EOSD on Normal, so I guess it's not that bad.

>> No.9593946

>>9593906
By beaten you mean 1cc? Because if you're using continues and still can't beat it, then yes.

>> No.9594018

>>9593906
A week of Touhou? That's nothing. So why bother about 1CC's? Just try to have fun and don't let the meanies in these threads get to you.

>> No.9594043

>>9593906
It took me 3 months for the first 1cc on Normal

>> No.9594047

>>9593906
I have been playing Touhou for years and I still can't get past Stage 4 of UFO Hard. As long as you don't have a learning disability, you'll notice some improvements, no worries.

>> No.9594086

>>9594047
Oh good, I thought that there's something wrong with me because I can't get past Stage 4 on Hard either.
I mean UFO hard is really fucking HARD compared to EoSD for example which I can 1cc.

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>>9593525
Can I stay now?

>> No.9594164

>>9594152
Get out even harder.

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>>9594164

>> No.9594203

I grind my skill with other games. I touch Touhou only when I feel like I could grab a 1CC on a new difficulty level. I laughed like a madman when I got to Ran's second last card on my first try without any idea what to expect.

>> No.9594211

>>9594152
You still don't realize that you not being able to clear easy was the least of the problems with that post?

>> No.9594214

After watching Riz streams I have also started to yell "stupid, stupid, stupid!!" every time I die.
I think it's super cute.

>> No.9594237

>>9594214
STOOPID!!

>> No.9594245

>>9594214
Sounds better than what I yell, which is more along the lines of "OH COME ON WHAT THE FUCK, THAT DIDN'T EVEN TOUCH ME"

>> No.9594246

Hm, second credit of Ketsui and I end up game overing at 1-4 this time. That's what happens when you don't use all of your bombs and actually try to dodge. (While still dying with bombs in stock.)

These patterns are a lot more mind boggling than DOJ, I'm not used to having bullets come in from all directions unless it's the cheese graters in 1-3 boss. Those always get me off guard. Stages are a lot less streamy, I noticed. It's strange the things you notice when actually playing, rather than watching superplays.

>> No.9594253

>>9593906
EOSD was my first Touhou game and it took me just under two weeks to 1cc. So you don't seem to be doing too bad.

>> No.9594260

>>9594203
The jump from Extra to Phantasm caught me off guard.

Going in blind with only the being told that it's roughly the same, the opening salvo of fairies caught me by surprise.

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I finally 1CC'd all of Normal in EoSD just last week. Each shot type, cleared.
I have my practicing on Lunatic to that for that, I think. Now any time I play normal mode I can get to Remilia no problem.

Does anyone have any tips for Flandre? I can usually get past Cranberry Trap and her non-spells just fine, but after that I panic.

>> No.9594277

>>9594246
I tried DOJ for the first time after 1-looping Ketsui and it felt like I was playing a Raizing game. I just love Ketsui.

>> No.9594281

>>9594274
Don't panic.

>> No.9594286
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PCB cleared. This is my second 1cc ever.The first one was EoSD.I guess IN is next.

Here is the replay if anyone is interested
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=23263

>> No.9594307

>>9594274
Just throw her a donut and she'll go away.

>> No.9594308

>>9592315
Because of the way AI players are programmed characters with aimed attacks, like Sakuya, Marisa, and especially Aya do very well against them. You may have noticed the length of his rounds with those characters were probably shorter than the rounds where you were playing as Youmu. On lunatic Medicine's clouds are incredibly powerful against the AI, but on easy or normal she's middle of the pack. I'm a bit surprised a first time player could pilot Sakuya, her scope is pretty awful.

>>9594043
Took me about six.

Comparing how long it took to clear this or that game or difficulty is just Epeen flexing.

>> No.9594325

>>9594245

I have nearly put my keyboard through the monitor on occasion when things hit me that I didn't think touched.
Are there bullets that have hitboxes such that they extend outside the visible bullet?
Regardless, STGs bring out some latent anger problem in me that no other games are able to.

>> No.9594329

>>9594325
Not generally, no. However, most bullets do have the opposite, their hitboxes are smaller than the actual bullet, so when you do run into bullets with entirely accurate hitboxes like those small snowball things, it can catch you off guard.

>> No.9594334
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9594334

Marisa can't even get past stage 5 of dim.dream

Isn't it sad Marisa?

>> No.9594335

>>9594329

That scenario you describe is probably the case here.

>> No.9594353

>>9594325
yes, sakuya's knifes in eosd, also kanako's rice bullets in MoF during her porridge spellcard

>> No.9594356

>>9594325
The only instance where the bullets are actually larger then they appear on screen that I can think of is Kanako's second Spellcard.

>> No.9594365

Is it just me, or does MoF have the narrowest gaps between bullets or a higher bullet density in general?

I swear, I have to readjust my moving threshold whenever I play MoF, because I just bump into bullets when I mean to move between a gap.

Sanae is the worst offender.

>> No.9594369

>>9594325
Sakuya's knives in PoFV. It's double the size of its sprite

>> No.9594385

>>9594353

>Sakuya's knives in EoSD

Fucking knew it. I'm pretty sure this was one of the instances.

>> No.9594388

Parsee's flowers?

>> No.9594393

>>9594365

Those fuckloads of tiny round bullets in the middle of stages 4(?), 5 and 6 are pretty dense and give only small gaps to move from memory.

>> No.9594405

>>9594353
Pretty sure the knives are accurate as well, it's just that most people don't realize they have quillons, and the quillons are part of the hitbox.

>> No.9594419

>>9594365
Well, yeah; Sanae's whole deal is basically constraining your movement and making you only take very small motions to be able to clear her stuff, like Overly Bright Guest Stars where it tries to trap you in with lasers and hit you with (incredibly slow) aimed bullets. But you can't let yourself be trapped by common sense in Gensokyo.

>> No.9594422

>>9594405

It would be good if there was a hitbox compendium for all the Touhou games.
Oh well. I guess the idea is to learn from experience, just like learning the position of your hitbox in a game without it.
If I ever made a STG I would have precisely matched hitboxes wherever possible.

>> No.9594442

I can't understand hitbox "problems" at all. Even as a complete beginner I never had any trouble feeling where it is. Just dodge, every game will teach you where it is in under an hour.

>> No.9594443

>>9594422
The only problem with the hitboxes I have are those animated animal danmaku in TD Extra.

>> No.9594481

On the topic of hitboxes, Youmu's hitbox in IN is so small it should be illegal. Either that or Alice's hitbox is just too big.

>> No.9594550

I 1cc'd PCB on normal today.

Ebin, dude.

>> No.9594551

>>9594481

Are Youmu's and Yuyuko's hitbox even the same?

I'd imagine that would be fair for Youmu since the narrow shot is the unfocused one after all.

>> No.9594557

>>9594551
Yes, Yuyuko and Youmu have a similar hitbox.

Also, the smallest hitbox is Border Team's.

>> No.9594567

>>9594481
Euh, isn't everyone's hitbox the same except Border Team's?

>> No.9594581

>>9594369
Sakuya has fucking retarded hitboxes no matter which game she is in. EoSD, PoFV, IaMP, and Soku are all games in which she has retard tier hitboxes. SakuyaA is also the easiest character by far in PCB. Four starting bombs and a homing shot. Yeah.

>> No.9594598

>>9594581
Solo Sakuya IN.
That balances it a bit.

>> No.9594607

>>9594581
How're they retard tier in soku? Most of her abilites have hitboxes smaller than the actual graphic, don't they? Especially her j.2a, that thing is tiny.

>> No.9594611

>>9594598
Solo Alice is worse.

>> No.9594618
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Is anyone else bothered by how much smaller bullets ARE compared to how they APPEAR? I don't mind the bullets' hitboxes being SLIGHTLY smaller than the bullets' appearance, but here, I'm unharmed despite how my hitbox is COMPLETELY within the bullet. The bullet wraps around my entire hitbox, and I'm fine.

That's bullshit; it shifts focus to hitbox-memorization instead of dodging. Of course, you're always doing both, but this tilts the scale too far to the hitbox-memorization side. Kogasa's first spell card in UFO's Extra Stage was simply annoying, as a large part of it was figuring out how much bullets could overlap before they were ACTUALLY too close to each other for you to squeeze between them.

I'm okay with the significantly smaller hitboxes for those giant bullets with the white rings, though. That's what makes those bullets interesting; you were unharmed in the white border, but touching the colored center killed you. Dodging dense waves of those giant bullets by finding a path through overlapping, clearly visible borders is interesting. In later games, though, it seems that even part of the colored portion of those bullets is safe.

Even though these games are hard, having the the bullets' hitboxes be so much smaller than how the bullets look makes it feel like the game is going easy on me, and it's insulting. These games shouldn't be harder than they look; they're plenty difficult on their own.

Am I the only one who feels this way? Am I the only one who wants the bullets to appear smaller to match their hitboxes, or the bullets' hitboxes to be expanded to match their appearances? Obviously the latter choice would require the bullets to be less dense for the difficulty to stay the same, but whatever. Do you guys understand what I'm saying?

>> No.9594636

>>9594618
Er, that's basically the entire point of that card. Paranoia.

>hitbox memorization
it isn't difficult at all, this isn't a game of memory
you dodge until you get hit, then you remember at which point you get hit at, then you don't get that close any more
it's not like they move at all quickly so it's not hard to tell

>> No.9594637

>>9594618
Go play Raiden Fighters Jet.

>> No.9594644

>>9594618

Yes, I understand your view and I agree with it.
It's not like there's any technical reason to have the variation and difference so large, I would like to see bullet-appearance-as-hitbox behaviour.

>> No.9594645

Another try to clear MoF. Now as Marisa A. Got raped several times. 2nd stage, 4th stage, 5th...
Goddamnit, this shit is simply impossible without "bomb every spell and nonspell" gimmick. But I don't want to bomb EVERYTHING! What the point? I might use a trainer as well and become immortal/
Or just watch walkthrough on youtube.

Fucking christ.

>> No.9594652

>>9594607
Her 3A, j.8A, j.6A and 6A are all retarded attacks. Not to mention, she has absolutely no unsafe moves. Unless you're whiffing a 3A, 623C, or j.2A, you're gold. Her frozen knives are also pretty stupid, but that has nothing to do with hitboxes.

>> No.9594650

>>9594644
Visual effect. Making things seem a little more "fair" for the average player. (If hitboxes are very unforgiving, what seems like it should be a near-miss just becomes a death, which is kind of a pain in the ass) Facilitating grazing.

>> No.9594663

>>9594645
>2nd stage
Seriously ?

>> No.9594675

>>9594618

>These games shouldn't be harder than they look; they're plenty difficult on their own.

Play Cho Ren Sha.

One of the few STGs that are actually harder than they look.

>> No.9594697

>>9594645
Your post inspired me to try a no-bomb Marisa A run on lunatic. It wasn't very epic and I didn't like it.

>> No.9594729

>>9594675
Holy shit, this game looks and sounds cool as HELL.

>> No.9594775

Whoa, PoFV Ultra is fun as fuck. This is the way Lunatic should have been in this game, way way way more fun than I thought it would be.

Much better than DS Ultra, that was just impossible.

>> No.9594778

>>9594729

It annoys me because it is one of those ones where you have to mash 'Z' to fire.
Is there a patch for that somewhere?

>> No.9594817

>>9594618
>>9594675

>These games shouldn't be harder than they look; they're plenty difficult on their own.

Ah fuck, just realized I messed that up. It should be "These games shouldn't LOOK harder than they are; they're plenty difficult on their own."

>> No.9594854

>>9594567
I rarely used Border team so I am not sure about that, but from playing experience, I have noticed that Youmu's solo hitbox is noticeably smaller than Alice's. Or maybe it's some subconscious bias that I have and the difference isn't really there.

>> No.9594934

>>9593138
They work, thanks!

>> No.9595104

>>9592465
Akai Katana Shin is the best game

>> No.9595113

>>9593318
Sharp. You're right, stage practice is the reason I like to end stages without tokens. You see how at the end of stage 4 I had two too many, and spent a big part of stage 5 wondering how to get back on track while frantically dodging bullets at the same time. It didn't work out all that well. I also never seem to know how many arrowhead-shooting fairies appear after bombing Nazrin's spellcard, since it relies on the speed of capturing her nonspell as well. They tend to take me by surprise every time. The rest of the stage is just unexplainable, I should be able to dodge the bullet hail, and I bombed the shit out of Shou just to make sure I'd pass. 'Cept then again, I probably wouldn't have passed were it not for the bombs.

>> No.9595344
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9595344

I'm just about to start PCB with SakuyaA.

I'm going to 1cc it, on normal, doing whatever it takes, whether I should bomb everything and use up all the bombs I get on my person, no matter how ugly it looks. This lack of 1cc'ing despite months of lackluster effort has gone on for far too long.

Pic related: my game face

>> No.9595462

>>9592465
fuk cave just play Battlegaregga all day.

>> No.9595512

>>9595344
>SakuyaA
Your game face sucks. Get a better game face.

>> No.9595543
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9595543

>>9595344

Fingers still shaking, but damnit, I did it.

Apologize for the spell card capture rate eyesore.

>> No.9595576
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9595576

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=23266
;_;

>> No.9595666

Is clearing a game on easy before normal considered poor form here?

I tried playing SanaeB on UFO on easy just to see how easy "Easy" was, and well, it almost seemed like not enough of a challenge, after playing only on normal (which still is hard for me).

>> No.9595674

>>9594325
Curvy knives, Sakuya's knives, and shards (eg: Kanako's rice spell and Meiling's swirl patterns) seem to reach out and grab me. I'm not doing myself any favors playing on a widescreen monitor.

>>9595543
>>9594550
Grats.

>> No.9595682

>>9595666
Play whichever way suits you best. I recommend normal though.

>> No.9595696

>>9595666
If it's to get used to get used to the games as a new player not really. Bragging about easy modo accomplishments is where you start looking bad.

>> No.9595712

>>9595674

Go into Nvidia or AMD settings and make it pigeon-hole instead of squash.

>> No.9595751

>>9595666
If you're playing on Easy you should just kill yourself.

>> No.9595756

>>9595113
That is part of the reason why I don't recommend using stage practice too much. You seem to like it a lot. As for the post-Nazrin fairies, I think they are easy to predict and manipulate. Your strategy for them should be to time your UFO summons and endings in such a way that it prevents the fairies from spawning too many bullets. The rest of the stage is pretty hard. For the doom fairies, I would just stay in a corner and try to dodge. Having a UFO there also helps. As for the following two walls of orbs, you should be able to memorize that. The only time it gets tricky is if you switch shots a lot like me. Also, you don't have to bomb all of Shou. You can dodge her but be very ready to bomb. This works well if you focus on collecting bombs instead of lives.
>This lack of 1cc'ing despite months of lackluster effort has gone on for far too long.
I know that feeling.
>>9595576
That happened to me twice before I got my LNB, and I still died twice to Meister when I got it. I think the best way to do it is to start on the far left side and try to stream when she starts firing. As for Gensokyo, I don't know of any big strategy for it. I mostly focus on dodging bullets and hoping not to get clipped.
>>9595666
No way. In fact, I would very much recommend playing on Easy when you are starting out. I took my time on Easy mode before moving forward.

>> No.9595906

>>9595756
I've found tackling the game one puzzle piece or pattern at a time is a good way to get it memorized, since you only have to think of one thing at a time. = I'll be stuck on Nazrin midboss for a while, since I'm not practising anything else until I snap a capture. That mentality has its downsides. Stage practice helps with that.

Of course, stage practice means I won't get much diversity, since I'll mostly just reset when I mess up, and when my UFO route gets messed up on a full run I'll panic real quick.
Because I collected that wrong UFO, I couldn't summon UFO to cancel bullets at the right time.
Because I have to bomb to cancel bullets instead of UFOs, I used up my bomb and couldn't bomb to collect the next UFO.
Because I couldn't collect the next UFO, I die in the next section, having no bombs and no UFOs for bullet canceling.
Because I died in that section, the UFO ran too far away, and when it finally get close so I can grab it, it's too late.

>> No.9595993

>>9595906
Stage Practice helps with everything. I play it mostly because people have these wonderful ideas of trying to piss me off during a full run. I waste a lot less time if they decide to try it during a Stage Practice run.

It's also very frustrating when you're on the final spellcard of DS/StB and people decide to do it. Though, not nearly as frustrating as when you make it to 2-4 and they do it. Heh, kind of sad that I can't even play these games, oh well.

>> No.9596517
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9596517

Okay guys, I have come this far. I have plenty of lives and bombs.
Is my first hard 1cc here? Wish me luck...

>> No.9596533

>>9596517
I'm sure you can do it. Make sure to bomb a lot.

>> No.9596545

>>9596517
Bomb Everything.
Except the first non-spell, magic butterfly, a couple of the other nons, and try to only bomb at the last second for her final spell.

>> No.9596605
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9596605

Damn that was close...
Don't even ask me why there is a bomb left.
I get really nervous and did some stupid stupid mistakes.
But I am still happy with my round I have never come this far, ever.

Sorry to let you down.

>> No.9596641

>>9596605
A for effort. Just do it again, you have a good chance to pass it.

>> No.9596678

>>9596641
Thanks for supports. I am trying again later, my hands and eyes need to rest.
And I think next time, I won't be this nervous and my hands will not tremble.

Nervous in life and nervous in games... I sometimes hate myself.

>> No.9596719

>>9596678
The power of hate is a magnificent thing. Harness your hate and let it drive you to victory. Change yourself so you don't have to hate yourself anymore.

>> No.9596794

Any of Shou's nonspells happen to be static relative to her position?

>> No.9597323

>>9596517
Why are you playing with Sanae?

The dumb slut always fucks up.

>> No.9597510

>>9595756
I watched my replay and what killed me was a bullet hiding under a bullet. Damnit Remi

>> No.9597548

>>9597323
>The dumb slut
Keep this stupid shit out of here.

>> No.9597596

>>9597510

>bullet hiding under a bullet

Oh my fucking God those are annoying. On the run that eventually let to my first 1cc ever (EoSD Normal), I died with a full stack of bombs (it might have even been four bombs, actually) to a dagger that came up from bottom of the screen against Sakuya. She stopped time, and to dodge the daggers coming from above, I had to quickly dodge to the left. Out of a clump of daggers on the very bottom edge of the screen, a single dagger (that was completely buried underneath other daggers) went straight up and killed me. I don't think I've ever shouted "FUCK!" so loudly before.

>> No.9597911

>>9597323

Secondary detected. Get your horrendous fandom shit out of here and take it to your 2hu imagedump threads.

>> No.9598227

>>9596517
>>9596605
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=23271

>> No.9598596

>>9597510
Bullets camouflaging with other bullets urgh. All day every day.

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9598948

Hahahahahaha! At last! Crawl away into a hole and die, Nazrin. As far as I'm concerned, your job here is done.

>> No.9599110

>>9595751
Fuck you. Playing on easy is completely acceptable, and clearing even that is an accomplishment.

>> No.9599115

>>9599110
This is what scrubs actually believe.

>> No.9599120

>>9599110
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>>9599110

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9599171

>>9599110

>> No.9599181 [DELETED] 

>>9599120
>>9599157
>>9599171
Cool posts and bumps. What are you doing?

>> No.9599185

>>9599181
ur mom

>> No.9599189

>>9599181

ur dad

>> No.9599204

>>9599115
>>9599120
>>9599157
>>9599171
Be nice. Don't scare off the beginners.

>> No.9599243

>>9599204
We are just trying to help, actually thinking that easy mode matters is a bad habit

>> No.9599330

>>9599243
Being an elitist is more of a bad habit. Not only is it hurting people, it's also kind of stupid (as in not rational) because, let's be honest, there's no actual point of reference to tell what matters and what doesn't, yet you people (dare I say delusionally?) act like there is.

The most important thing is to have fun. People in these threads seem to have carried over their “No Fun Allowed“ attitude when they came to /jp/, but I don't think it has any place on this board.

>> No.9599338

>>9599330
You're wrong and posting in the wrong thread.

>> No.9599341

>>9599243
But that is wrong, playing on easy is completely acceptable, and believe it or not, you can get ready for lunatic by playing on easy, if you challenge yourself enough.

>> No.9599342

>>9599341
Why are you still going on? I was talking about elitism, faggot.

>> No.9599347
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9599347

I couldn't beat Okuu yesterday. Again. Again again.

>> No.9599404

>>9599347

Chronological guy up to SA here. I can empathise.

>> No.9599423

>EoSD
MarisaB
>PCB
SakuyaA
>IN
Marisa Solo
>MoF
MarisaB
>SA
Reimu A
>UFO
MarisaA
>TD
Marisa

So aside from PCB, where Sakuya didn't suck, and SA, where nothing made sense, Marisa with Illusion Lasers FW

>> No.9599482

>EoSD
ReimuB
>PCB
ReimuB
>IN
Border Team
>MoF
ReimuA
>SA
ReimuA
>UFO
SanaeB
>TD
I don't play fucking TD

>> No.9599585

I completely skipped Easy and Normal and went straight to Lunatic when I first got the games. It ended with me game overing in the first four stages every single time. I was very lucky to even make it past Stage 2 at the time(It was UFO, of all games...)

It really made me hate the game for awhile, but I kept playing through sheer masochism. Seeing no progress really depressed me, but I carried on. Eventually, I got the 1cc after thousands upon thousands of hours played. Possibly about 5,000 hours played. This was without superplay copying and other stuff too, because at the time, I was completely oblivious to that sort of stuff. I had no idea that people even played these games competitively! Having to learn the game completely by myself was absolutely brutal.

>> No.9599592

>>9599585
Humans can have that level of persistence?

>> No.9599594

>>9599592

Autism is a hell of a drug.

>> No.9599623

>>9599592
>>9599594
Autism, determination, and a whole truckload of adderall.

>> No.9599628 [DELETED] 

>>9599585
Good god even reading this felt painful, still very admirable. As opposed to worthless faggots such as these >>9599341 >>9599330 >>9599110

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9599650

>>9594353
This. Sakuya's knifes in EoSD are smalltime.

And damn, I stop playing for a couple of weeks and now I can't even finish UFO's extra.

>> No.9599656

>>9599650
damn, meant to quote >>9594369

>> No.9600048

>>9586202


>EoSD
MarisaA
>PCB
ReimuB
>IN
Sakuya & Remilia
>MoF
ReimuA
>SA
ReimuA
>UFO
SanaeA
>TD
Youmu

Speaking of the games, getting back into them after a break is hard work. I gotta get back into the practice thing.

>> No.9600050

Seems like everyone is using ReimuA for SA.

>> No.9600060

>>9600050
Not quite so, I'm alright with using all the shottypes, although I personally prefer MarisaC, they're all great.

>> No.9600071

>>9600050

I honestly hate all the SA shot types. I hate Reimu A the least, all the others feel way too gimmicky or way too weak to me.

>> No.9600335

>>9600050
Reimu A is pretty much the only reasonable choice in SA.

>> No.9600345

>>9600335
How so? Because of the gap?

>> No.9600377

>>9600375
Okuu is much worse than Orin...

>> No.9600375

>>9599404
I was gonna be chronological too, then Orin happened and I decided to skip SA and you can prolly guess where this is going...
Why are catladies so mean /jp/?

>> No.9600388

>>9600377
not really, I can beat okuu in practice with two lives and couple of bombs, too bad I never get there with those kinds of resources.

>> No.9600403

Orin is easy when you know how to beat her, you move the same way every time. Okuu is hard even when you know how to move because you need more precise movement to beat her. Okuu on 90 FPS is a pure murderer while Orin on 90 FPS is just the same as 60 FPS.

>> No.9600413

>>9600403

I would have to agree that Okuu is harder.

>> No.9600414

>>9600388
I have no problems with Orin at all and I can't for the life of mine beat Okuu. And SA is the only game I can't (beat or) 1cc on easy ;~;

>> No.9600424
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9600424

Streaming EoSD Normal in a few minutes, going for that 1CC still! I feel really confident today so I think things are going to go well.

www.twitch.tv/exxelent

>> No.9600437

>>9599585
Five Thousand hours sounds a little much for just a basic clear.

For comparision, I think HS has published a screenshot of his PCB with 4000-or-so hours played. And he used to hold every WR of that game.


Nice try, though.

>> No.9600471

Why is it that Satori sometimes has a different spellcard as her last spell?

>> No.9600561
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9600561

;_______;

>> No.9600618

I started playing 08 on lunatic, i'm a bit confused. I always hear people saying that reimu / marisa are the hardest part of IN, but I find myself having more trouble with Keine than the rest of the game, she wasted most of my lives and bombs, but once i got past her I mainly breezed through the game no trouble.

>> No.9600629
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9600629

I finally did it.

>> No.9600787

What is the quickest way to improve at STGs as a whole? Should I endlessly grind the Ura loop to perfection? Play one-credit runs of Lunatic? I am confused, and it feels like I've now hit a wall.

How do you chip away at skill walls, /jp/?

>> No.9600947

>>9599585
Shit, you're like me in the future. I'll be living your legend.

>> No.9600966

>>9600787

Hold shift for focused movement.

>> No.9601033

>>9600966
Ha, funny meme, right?

>> No.9601244

Brute Sword "Karmic Punishment of the Idle and Unfocused

Explain this bullshit spell card.

>> No.9601265

>>9601244
Release shift for unfocused movement.

>> No.9601431

Brr caffeine does not go well with Touhou. I'm bored to death in every pattern that isn't dense and fast as fuck, but when they are dense and fast as fuck I can't concentrate on where the bullets are, let alone dodging them.

>> No.9601467

>>9601431
>Brr caffeine does not go well with Touhou.
odd, it has the opposite effect on me, and makes me dodge easier

>> No.9601496

>>9601431
Oh god, my caffeine-addled brain gets sick euphoria from playing (and failing) 90 fps, though. I just no-missed Kogasa on Lunatic. I can't even describe the rush I had while dodging that shit.
>>9601467
I dunno, it doesn't seem to help the tiredness that gimps my skill, all it does is makes me really frantic and unable to concentrate at all. Maybe I should try it AFTER waking up.

>> No.9601536

>>9601244
Start low and move up through the oncoming bullets during the slow down. You don't need to get all the way through, just where you'll be safe when they speed up. Stay near the middle; I know it seems counter-intuitive, but try it.

>> No.9601539

I need a break from dying to curvy lasers on normal shou, which is the easiest game to 1cc on hard?

>> No.9601545

I need a break from dying to curvy lasers on normal shou, which is the easiest game to 1cc on hard? PoFV doesn't count obviously.

>> No.9601550

>>9601539
i would say MoF or PCB are the easiest. though if you can get past keine in IN, the rest is a breeze

>> No.9601554

>>9601539
Try PCB I guess. I hear it's the easiest.

>> No.9601634

>>9600471
Spells based on the shot you're using.

>> No.9601852

>>9600345

Probably a combination of that, a good powerful forward shot and a long, screen clearing bomb. Agreed with >>9600071 to an extent. Especially the bombs mostly feel like total garbage.

>>9600414
>>9600629

Same dude? Not bad. I got SA down on easy recently, the run I cleared was actually the first time seeing Okuu. That was a really cool fight. Losts of Orin's fight still seem baffling as hell, though.

>> No.9601863
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9601863

>>9601554
why the fuck are primriver sisters easier on hard than normal?

>> No.9601893

>>9601852
Yeah same guy. I'm pretty mad at myself that I didn't beat her the first time (as seen in >>9600561) (and thus not 1ccing SA ) but I'm still happy that I finally got to beat her. I've had a perfect run with no deaths or bombs up to Orin but then I messed up at Okuu again. I'm just really bad at bombing I think.

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>>9598227
I know. I suck...

But I just did it, my first 1cc on hard!
Guess if I'm happy!!!!

>> No.9603090

>>9602831

Losing two lives to Byakuran on hard is sucking?

And finally, a full 10 months (!!) after first playing it (and any touhou in general), the IN normal 1cc comes out. Three down, five to go.

>> No.9603092

>>9602831
Congratulations. You should be proud of your accomplishment.

>> No.9603158

>>9603090
I'm a decent player I guess, but I can't handle stress...
If I am close to clearing, my hands start shaking uncontrollably and sweat starts to run in my forehead.
When I'm done I can barely stand up from the chair because my legs are so weak from nervousness.
Congrats to your progress. Keep it up!!
I have only cleared on UFO and TD. Maybe I should try something else too.

>>9603092
Thanks!

>> No.9603434

>>9602831
Sick moves man. Congrats.

>> No.9604048

>>9603090
3 lives and 6 bombs + 2 x 3 bombs from lost lives assuming he didn't get hit with any bombs left.

So he pretty much bombed everything, that's not really that good.

I'm more impressed with how many resources he got there with.

>> No.9604124

>>9604048
>assuming he didn't get hit with any bombs left.

I wish I did this more consistently. No matter how hard the clown stares, it never really sinks in.

>> No.9604205

>>9602831
I am proud. What are you planning on doing next?

>> No.9604369

>>9604205
What are you planning on doing today?

>> No.9604385

>>9604369
What are you planning on doing tomorrow?

>> No.9604399

>>9604385
What were you planning on doing yesterday?

>> No.9604446

>>9604399
What are you planning on doing this week?

>> No.9604453

>>9604385
Having a special day
>>9604399
Not the above.

>> No.9604899

>>9601863
Maybe you're fighting a different sister during one or both solos?

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