/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Anyone got any half-suicide tips? I want to make it look like I was trying to kill myself. I'm certain this will help me get autism bux. The more dramatic, the better.

2erly

>>9243454
Linkin Park CDs and razor blades are a start.

>>9243469

Thanks. The music should make it even more dramatic.

>>9243488
I will never know
myself until I do this on my own
And I will never feel,
Anything else until my wounds are healed
I will never be
Anything 'til I break away from me
And I will break away,
And find myself today
...
Somewhere I belong.

Very bad thread.

My mom started crying over how unemployed I am and how much my medical expenses are burdening the family. Yet I don't even feel bad since she had me before she was financially ready and votes republican. In a way she brought this upon herself. Of course this probably means my comfortable NEET days are coming to an end soon.

>>9243557
You're a dick.

>>9243563
Dude, suck my cock.

>>9243454
There is no try

>>9243557
Thankfully my brother manages to be a bigger fuckup than me while being normal which diverts my parent's attention from my NEETdom.

>>9243557
I think you're absolutely right.

Learn how to fuck properly if you're not ready to have kids, otherwise drown in your own shit.

>>9243570
No seriously. Who the fuck cares what sort of person your mother is. She feeds you and lets you live at her place, doesn't she?

I'm a NEET for quite some years now myself but I help out around the house, treat my mother with respect, listen to her if she needs to talk, etc., basically I am grateful for her excusing me doing nothing and you should do the same.

>>9243601
Who gives a shit about what you think someone should do?

>>9243620
Oh, are you so insecure about the way you act around your mother you have to attack me instead of my points?

But no, nobody has to give a shit about anything I say.

>>9243601
Condescending retard right here, folks.

>>9243585

I have 3 siblings that are all successful normalfags...which makes me the black sheep.

On the bright side, my parents have accepted their 25% failure rate and are at the point where they either are ignoring or enabling my sick, socially-defunct behaviors and addictions.

I know someday they will stop supporting me...and that is the day I will go through the portal...

>>9243601

>She feeds you and lets you live at her place, doesn't she?

fyi she is obligated to do this

yes, even when he's past 18, though it's societal obligation instead of legal obligation then

>>9243633
Why?

>>9243627
You didn't make a single point. You made a lot of statements. You're either an ESL third worlder or stupid, in both cases I couldn't give less of a shit about what you think.

I think you should seriously work if your parents allow you to leech off them forever at home.

Seriously, just do it and save a few thousand dollars and invest it or something. Keep turning money into more and more money. Don't blow it all on games and toys and booze like a retard.

>>9243647
W-wha...? What are saying, ZUN!bar-kun?! What happened to the ZUN!bar-kun I knew and loved??

>>9243646
My point was you should be grateful for basically keeping you alive.

>>9243643
That might be true but I don't see how this means he should take his treatment for granted.

>>9243656
The government is probably forcing him to say these things as part of his service.

>>9243659

>That might be true but I don't see how this means he should take his treatment for granted.

do not use a connotationally-charged term like 'take it for granted' in an argument like this

i just finished explaining to you why what he said *doesn't* count as 'taking it for granted'

>>9243667
>i just finished explaining to you why what he said *doesn't* count as 'taking it for granted'

No you didn't.

>>9243683

>fyi she is obligated to do this - yes, even when he's past 18, though it's societal obligation instead of legal obligation then


stop posting

>>9243656
I always felt this way if you were a NEET with no expenses and still lived with parents that didn't expect you to pay for anything.

It sounds like the dream money making set up I think.

>>9243601
No seriously, suck my cock, dude.

>She feeds you
I have to wake up when everyone has gone to bed to scrounge leftovers otherwise I get yelled at for things beyond my control

>lets you live at her place
Then when friends and family notice I'm missing she'll have to admit she kicked me out for being a fuck up and she's too proud to admit she raised a fuck up.

>I help out around the house,
I clean up after myself

> treat my mother with respect
You make it sound like I'm being a jerk to her face

>listen to her if she needs to talk
She only wants to talk about what I'm doing wrong and has always been like this

>>9243646
Why are you so butthurt? Did that hit
home too well?

>>9243692
No one is obligated to anything really.

Part of why people go NEET and stuff.

>>9243703
People are obligated to pay taxes. Otherwise the NEET well would dry up.

>>9243696

Why don't you go apply for all the wal-marts and fast-food restaurants and stuff in your area? Seriously, working is not that bad. You could have enough money to move into a new apartment in like two or three months.

Serious social phobias

I'm more of a hikkimori than a NEET

>>9243686
You're not a NEET at that point, but its exactly what I do.

I've stocked away about 15k since I started working part time last year. I live with my dad and he takes care of everything.

Fucking scary how everybody here can't think outside of the box. Oh George Orwell... where art thou?

>>9243707
>No job experience
>Need job experience to get hired

>>9243718

No you don't. Stop making bullshit excuses - there isn't a Mcdonald's in the world which will ask for previous job experience.

>>9243718
They just put that on there to scare off people so they don't have to read 400 applications a day.
I work construction in a position that required 5+ years experience and I never had a job before in my life.

>>9243697
Why aren't you a psychiatrist? #whoa #wow #coldread

>>9243735

You are too dumb to be here. Please exit immediately.

>>9243692
That doesn't prove anything retard.

>>9243696
You sound like a whiny teenger. Did you expect to get treated like a prince for failing all sorts of expecations? Taking the abuse is a choice you should have made when deciding to become a NEET.

>>9243740
What are you, twelve?

>>9243740
Please elaborate how you should take social obligations for granted without the use of 'ur dumb'.

>>9243647
How is that retarded? Got a problem against people takin it easy? Why are you such a faggot.

>>9243722
Of all the places I've applied to McDonalds was the only one to actually respond and tell me they denied my application

>>9243735
I didn't decide to become a NEET I was just born this way. That said, I'm pretty happy with my life. I'm sure I'll look back on my endless summers of /jp/ shitposting fondly.

>>9243764

ZUN!bar died in Afghanistan and now someone has hijacked his trip.

>>9243776
>I didn't decide to become a NEET I was just born this way
>NEET
>Not in Education, Employment or Training
>born this way
wasn't everyone born this way? i can't imagine newborns partaking in education or employment.

>>9243851
I think he's talking about his family background.

>>9243696

>I have to wake up when everyone has gone to bed to scrounge leftovers otherwise I get yelled at for things beyond my control

Can we have more like this? I can relate...

>>9243779
shouldn't we be gathering the dragonballs to wish him back?

and here I was hoping we'd have our first good NEET thread

>>9243870
But even poorfags have at least the means to finish public high school and qualify for a McJob right? That is, the education itself is free and there are things like free lunches, subsidies for transportation and other school-related costs.

>>9243876
not that anon, but i get yelled at and sometimes beaten when i try to leave my room, if that interestests you.
i never got what the fuck i get yelled at for though.

>>9243911
What do you want to make this a good thread?

>>9243914
Working at a fast food restaurant is not progress, bro. Indeed, precarious jobs are killing society.

I WANT TO BE NEET

but, I have fallen into social and family pressure, and just can't live with people looking down at me.

Plus, it goes against everything I believe (I'm a libertarian).

Yesterday a family member went to the store and brought back some Oreos. I was told they were for me. I woke up today looking forward to eating them, but when I looked in the pantry they were nowhere to be found. I looked in the trash and saw an empty package of Oreos.

>>9243932
It's time to kill your family.
Think of all the oreos you could buy with the insurance and inheritance.

>>9243915
but you do understand why you were beaten, correct?

am I the only one with social phobia?

>>9243964
Of course not. Where do you think you are?

>>9243964
Why, yes. Everyone here on /jp/ is completely normal; you're the only one standing out because of your mental issues.

>>9243964
No, I was diagnosed with it a while back.

Even still I managed to acquire jobs here and there so I can survive (although once being around people starts getting too me too much I end up quitting, which is around half a year or so).

I'm in a pretty shitty situation, too stupid to go to college and get a job that requires little socialization as I barely managed passing highschool, but too unsociable to keep working these $9/hr factory jobs for the rest of my life.

And now I'm moving out on the 29th into my grandma's 1 bedroom apartment and will have my computer set up in her bedroom while I sleep on the floor. My mom's moving in with her boyfriend, we're both being kicked out as neither has the means to pay for our own place.

that's my monthly blog

>>9243924
It's a start if you come from a poorfag family with really no other choice. Save up for higher education. For people being supported by their parents (since we're talking about NEETs) this shouldn't be that difficult (just stop buyfagging animu). Or you can also just get into college immediately out of HS through being poor but fairly smart and hard-working (qualify for the full scholarships).

Shitted my pants, truNEET, xD, etc.

NEETing it up until my parents die, then i'm going to take the inheritance and NEET it up some more in a nice little house in the woods.

I can have a garden without people seeing me if I live in the woods.

>>9243987
...or join activists groups to change the unfair structure of society to something more equanimous. None of us are born to be NEETs, nor it's in our nature, it's the environment we live in that shaped us to what we are today.

>>9244009
I agree income equality is fucked up alongside the relation between compensation and value-added for some occupations. However, this only part of the problem. The 'it's all society's fault' thing is too often used as a excuse for personal failings as well. It's not society's job to present you with a pristine high-power/paying career on a silver platter. You have to put in the effort for it. I don't particularly sympathize with those who half-ass it and wonder why they can't be paid and treated as a neurosurgeon. Hits close to home because my brother just fucks around all day and even dropped out of a good private HS my parents sent us to. He would've been able to go to uni without any scholarships too. Now he's living alone in some shithole (HS dropouts not in huge demand) and complaining about how the whole system is so fucked up and unfair. Honestly now?

>>9244049
Derp, didn't mean income equality. Meant income GAP.

>>9243928
sounds like you don't want it bad enough.

>>9243987
Higher education is a scam to throw you into debt so you have to be a slave to society for the rest of your life. Can't be a NEET if they're coming after you for your debt, and you'll never make enough to money to get out of debt and keep up with all the normals and their habits (new cars, buying a house, having kids, etc.) It's their way of enslaving the normals and when normals find out about us NEETing it up, they get mad. REAL MAD. Because they didn't realize they could live a life of taking it easy, too. But honestly, they're too guilty to enjoy it even if they somehow managed to achieve it, since other normals would want to "save" them from their "non-productive" new way of life.

They can't accept that you'd be happy doing anything other than the bullshit they put themselves through. That's why people have been calling normals "sheeple" for forever.

>>9243959
no and i don't get the reference if there is any.

>>9243964
i'm diagnosed, but i'm not sure if i have it. i can't really relate to other people with this disorder much.
i think lots of people have it (in the classiocal form) here though.

>>9244049
Ever heard of the Venus Project?

>2012
>not guilting your parents into giving you a third of their pensions per month to gtfo of the house.

>>9243915

>>9243964
Lol look at this fag he is scared of other people lmao... beta as fuck

>>9244055
How do you explain the situation in Europe where higher education doesn't throw you into 6 digit debt?

There is no scam to force you into labour.

>>9244106
I have no experience with that, so I am talking about the USA in that post.
I refuse to comment/debate about things I know nothing about. I'm ok admitting I don't know something.

>>9244106
Who cares about debt if you're a NEET?

They don't have debtior's prisons anymore, and you have nothing to take.

>>9243928

If you let that stop you, then people are already looking down on you.

>>9244118
I was only responding to >>9244055 and his 'higher education is a scam' bullshit.

>>9244127
It's not bullshit.

i wish i could be a neet

>>9244129
It's utterly ridiculous. You honestly believe the purpose of higher education is to 'throw you into debt so you have to be a slave to society for the rest of your life'?

>>9244133
>>9244134

>>9244133
I got here as fast as I could.

Anyone else love the idea of university? I went for a year and I loved all the academic stuff. Sitting in the library, writing reports, reading books, just walking about the place and using the facilities.

Of course, in real life, you also have to deal with people. And that's why I ended up dropping out.

who STREET NEET here

>>9244135
I believe that's one way of looking at it; and it is the way I personally prefer to look at it; so yes.

>>9244058
>i never got what the fuck i get yelled at for though.
just a joke. you didn't understand why you got yelled at, but you said nothing about the beatings

>>9244141
I too love the idea of higher education, but other students are such a distraction

>>9244135
I'm shocked that you don't believe it actually.

Yes, that is mainly the purpose of higher education. Otherwise, you could just take examinations on things you study at home, and simply pass by just taking tests and not paying out the ass for classes, or being forced to take courses not related to your major which are only forced onto you so the university can make money.

study a major that can actually get you a job after graduating
not some bullshit like english, sociology, psychology etc

>>9244152
This guy gets it.
How else do you explain normals continuing to norm it on up?

>>9244156
Tell that to the current generation who have been fed that whole "you are special and can be ANYTHING you want to be!" bullshit since day one.

>>9244144
It certainly is a way to look at it, but to say it's the main purpose is just plain wrong.

>>9244152
You can do that, you know. You're paying for the classes and the use of the facilities and in some cases for the prestige of the school.

>>9244167
No. No you can't. Not for a school that will actually get you a job better than building up work experience with no degree will.

>>9244167
I never said it was the main purpose. I just said it exists as a conspiracy to promote other normals getting trapped into the status quo.

>>9244157
>Tell that to the current generation who have been fed that whole "you are special and can be ANYTHING you want to be!" bullshit since day one.
What does that have to do with YOU? You should be happy faggots behave like that because that means more jobs for you.

>>9244152
I suppose it depends on what course you take, but the point of education is to get qualified (even if it's basically a complicated scam to begin with). And you do generally need the teachers and facilities a university supplies. If you want to sit at home and read textbooks, go for it.

>>9244177
Well, I still can't quite see your problem. Schools are too expensive and you want the option to only take the tests and skip everything else I suppose?

The thing is these things cost money. Making tests costs money. Getting your school to a standard the state would recognizes as adequate so the degrees are worth the paper they're printed on costs money.

>>9244142

This. Anyone got any STREET NEET tips? Paying rent or property tax is nearly impossible with only autism bux.

STREET NEET YOU SAY

>>9244200
Get with another /jp/sie and split the rent.

You can also rent a garage for about $100 a month, I lived in one for years, it was heated too.

>>9244189
The point of "education" is to be a certified idiot that just follows orders. Talk back to your supervisor and call him out on his bullshit, and get fired for insubordination.

No matter what you study, your actual work will be simplistic shit that makes you wonder why you spent years studying your ass off to be putting a few wires together with no budget and a deadline three weeks before the project was brought before you.

>>9244211
That's plain wrong and you're bitter and desperate to devalue things which I'd guess you failed to achieve.

>>9244188
It has shit to do with me, but I'm a NEET. I don't need or want a job. The original comment >>9244156 was directed at people who would be going to university to get a job (I would hope, since those majors are pointless and I personally find it hilarious that they even exist anymore).

>>9244195
Alright, to clarify, I am not >>9244152
Now that that's out of the way, you are not incorrect. Those things do cost money. I'm not saying they should be free, by any means. I'm saying that society (in the USA at least) teaches you from a very early age to aim high and you'll be "somebody" someday.
Most people are never going to amount to anything they dreamt about being as a kid. They find out that to be a fireman is dangerous work, same with police work, and astronauts don't really exist anymore. They have to aim a lot lower.

There's an entire thing being built here to convince you from a very early age that you are different and special and better than everyone else and that murrica is number one.

What the people who are teaching you will never tell you is that their generation (the boomers and the Gen X'ers) moved all of those nice cushy 9-5 university jobs overseas where they can get cheaper labor since paying college kids is expensive since they have all that debt they need to pay off and they want all those first-world comforts; whereas in a third- or second-world country, they're happy to have money to buy food for their family or clean water.

The jobs we've been lead to believe were just within our reach as long as we aimed straight and flew right have been converted to solely CEO and high-ranking positions, meaning automatically that there are fewer of them than there once were.

If that's not a scam, I don't know what is.

Tripcode now on to prevent further confusion

>>9244211
Great, this is what everyone knows. You've figured it all out--now you can get any job you want and do whatever you want!

Idiot.

>>9244211
Sounds like you know what you're talking about.

What's your degree and where do/did you work?

>>9244222
I'm german so I don't know what is taught from early age in the US, but your description seems to be exaggerated as I don't see every young person in America getting depressed or killing themselves because their dreams are unattainable.

>>9244209
>>9244208

thank you for responding

>>9244222
To elaborate further; you don't have to have high aims to be successful. Success is relative. You don't have to go to college or get married or have kids just because normals want you to. You can just redefine your happiness to be whatever you want it to be. For me, that's pursuing a disability case and living off NEETbux for the rest of my days until I die prematurely.

>>9244238
That's because your average american is just pleased to have enough money to rent/buy videos and games and have TV and internet. They don't think about things like that; or if they do, it's a helpless sort of feeling that they bury into their work. You may continue to feel I am exaggerating, but I am sure I'm not the only murrifag on here who feels the same way.

>>9244238
Also, I understand your comic and the type of people posting that sort of bullshit, but frankly I feel that most people don't understand their situation and just spout off whatever rhetoric they've heard from television. In the case of your comic you posted, those 99% idiots.

>>9243696
I hope this isn't how most of you are. I always pictured my fellow /jp/sies as nice people who have problems socially, and therefore choose to stay inside. Not as angry angsty linkin park fans who whine about how the world is unfair and how their mom is such a bitch despite her feeding and providing you with a place to live.

I'vz been neeting for about a year now...

>>9244256
I do too.
And the fact that the guy was bitched at for being ungrateful supports that.

I have never apply for job before. Can some workfags tell me how do one apply for job in wal-marts or fast-food restaurants? Do they stick some papers on the wall to advertise or do I have to walk up to the counter and ask them?

>>9244264
Usually they have online applications, further catering to your shy NEET ways.

Other places, you just walk in and say "Hi. I was wondering if you're currently accepting applications?" and if they say no, just leave, and if yes, ask if it's a web application or if they have paper ones. They'll tell you, go fill it out somewhere else. DON'T FUCKING FILL OUT AN APP IN A STORE IT MAKES YOU LOOK HOPELESS.

>>9244259
*I've

Higher education sounds nice, but so many of the required courses for a degree are irrelevant bullshit. A lot of faggots try to wave this point away by spewing nonsensical garbage about "well-roundedness".

>>9244222
>moved all those jobs overseas

Why should they hire college kids with degrees in psychology, when they could higher poor people in other countries happy to work for a few dollars an hour?

>they have all the debt to pay off

Who's fault is that? All these college kids take out loans to get some liberal arts degree, and then they get out of college with tens of thousands of dollars of debt and are suddenly shocked that they can't get a job.

>they want first world comforts while third world countries are happy to have money to buy food and clean water

And then you wonder why companies would rather higher foreign workers?

>The jobs we've been lead to believe were just within our reach as long as we aimed straight and flew right have been converted to solely CEO and high-ranking positions, meaning automatically that there are fewer of them than there once were.

I don't even know what you are trying to say here. Newsflash, 99% of the time you don't start out of college with your dream job making 100k.


Your whole post is just a gigantic generalization about how the world works. Feel free to tell us how you would make the world more "fair", and I will tell you how you are misguided and delusional.

>>9244315

>>9244256
I like to think most of us *start* that way, but outgrow it. Most of /jp/ probably went through an /r9k/-esque WOMAN ARE SLUTS!!! LE FRIENDZONE FAIL, NICE GUY SYNDROME SUX ;___; phase, even if it was back when we were teenagers (and before complaining about these things was cool).

But after a point, you don't care. Oh no, women are sluts. People are awful. Everyone is judgmental and I'm such a misanthrope who hates the world! Wait, actually, no. I can just sit in and play my galge. Whatever.

>>9244315
>Your whole post is just a gigantic generalization about how the world works.
So I take it this isn't a gigantic generalization?
>All these college kids take out loans to get some liberal arts degree, and then they get out of college with tens of thousands of dollars of debt and are suddenly shocked that they can't get a job.
Here's a "newsflash" for you: not all people who go into debt during college and can't find a job got a liberal arts degree.

>Feel free to tell us how you would make the world more "fair", and I will tell you how you are misguided and delusional.
Considering how misguided and delusional you are, you'd be the perfect messenger.

>>9244418
>Here's a "newsflash" for you: not all people who go into debt during college and can't find a job got a liberal arts degree.

Really? That's funny considering unemployment for degrees that actually require a modicum of intelligence and hard work, have a significantly less unemployment rate. At its worst in September 2009, the unemployment rate for engineers reached 6.4 percent, versus nearly 10 percent for all occupations. By the middle of last year, it dropped to under 2 percent. That's just one example.

Degrees are a simpe situation of supply and demand. If you get a degree that isn't very useful, you're probably going to be unemployed or have a much lower salary than someone who graduated with a degree in a field with high demand.

>Considering how misguided and delusional you are, you'd be the perfect messenger.

You're the one who's claiming the world is evil and unfair, and that everyone's out to get you. The burden of proof is on you.

I'm waiting for the "I-I'm not going to spell it out for you!!! It's so obvious!!!!" response that is probably coming next.

>>9244388
This guy gets it.

>>9244473
People making billions while others are starving/in sweatshops makes it seem pretty obvious to me. Not even that guy.

>>9244526

If it wasn't for those sweatshops, you and I wouldn't be able to afford half of the shit we own.

>>9244526
Oh boy.

I can't wait until I'm done with my bullshit degree. Then, assuming I can find a job, I can do something I hate for 8 hours a day for a meager salary, just enough for my subsistence, so I can make it to another day of work.

Maybe I'll go get a graduate degree, and then just shoot myself when I actually have to repay my loans.

>>9244473
>Really? That's funny considering unemployment for degrees that actually require a modicum of intelligence and hard work, have a significantly less unemployment rate. At its worst in September 2009, the unemployment rate for engineers reached 6.4 percent, versus nearly 10 percent for all occupations. By the middle of last year, it dropped to under 2 percent. That's just one example.
And? You were talking about gigantic generalizations when you yourself made a gigantic generalization. Saying that, on the whole, the employment situation for people who majored in STEM fields is not as bad as employment for those who majored in liberal arts is different from:
>All these college kids take out loans to get some liberal arts degree, and then they get out of college with tens of thousands of dollars of debt and are suddenly shocked that they can't get a job.
I hope you can recognize the difference between phrases like "all people have two hands" and "most people have two hands." Also, I didn't know engineering degrees were the only ones that required a modicum of intelligence and hard work.

>You're the one who's claiming the world is evil and unfair, and that everyone's out to get you. The burden of proof is on you.
Actually I'm not even the same guy you were talking to. You contradicted yourself and I jumped on it. I don't care if he was arguing the moon was made of cheese, your point was still wrong.

>>9244558
exactly
>>9244553
got something to say, beta bitch? that's what i thought, faglet

>>9244526
>People making billions

What do you think billionaires do with their money, put it under their mattress? Their money is invested, in order to build new factories and other things like that. Yes, they make a profit, but everyone benefits because that profit leads to new things being built that are necessary to society.

>while others are staving/in sweatshops

I thought we were talking about America? Poor people in America have cars, cell phones, and all those things. They may be outdated ones, but most poor people certainly aren't starving.

Sweatshops are an interesting topic, mainly because they are mainly referred to in a negative light. Let's get one thing straight, sweatshops aren't slavery. The people who work in sweatshops in foreign countries do it by choice, and they do so because it is the best job that they can find. In that sense, sweatshops employ a vast amount of people who would otherwise be unemployed and starving.

>>9244554
Why even go to post secondary school? Why not just work some job that doesn't require anything other than high school, earn 2k a month, find some 1 bedroom apartment for 650 a month, and take it easy?

>>9244558

I call bullshit. After all, they don't need to make millions of dollars in profit in order to keep prices low enough for the common person to afford their products. Even the shittiest businessman on Earth knows this simple fact, whether they abide by it or not. Also, if you're generating losses as a business, the solution isn't to raise prices, it's to re-evaluate how you do business.

>inb4 business administration majors

>Their money is invested, in order to build new factories and other things like that.

>>9244599

Because I don't want to work in retail or food service-the only readily available jobs that don't require any sort of education or training.

Also, 4 years in, 12 classes to go, why stop now?

>>9244577
Yeah they choose between death and working for pennies. The people in china sure have such a great voluntary time working they have suicide nets outside their slave factories to prevent suicides.

Billionaires spend their money on bullshit markets like lambroghinis and huge houses , basically laundering the money or extracting it from the working class if you want to classify it that way. Money is not anything concrete in value, it's just power to make people do shit that you want them to do, and it's always backed up by violence or coercion somehow.

>>9244607
>I don't know how economics actually works so I'm going to post an epic picture I found on le reddit

They invest in order to make a personal profit, but that investment leads to new factories and other necessary things being built.

MEEEEEEEEEEEEIDO /pol/ OR WHO KNOWS WHAT SNUCK IN

>>9244622
yeah sure thing buddy

>>9244622

>Here, let me make an incredibly generalized statement that completely ignores what the wealthy actually do in late-stage capitalism.

Hurf durf. There's a reason people don't take your bullshit seriously.

>>9244620
Nobody said that people in 3rd world countries have it good. But working for a small amount of money is objectively superior to starving in the streets.

>basically laundering the money or extracting it from the working class if you want to classify it that way.

Pfffthahahaha oh wow. Your complete ignorance towards how economics works is showing. Wealth is not a zero-sum game, it is constantly being created. Just because a billionaire makes exuberant amounts of money does not mean he stole it from anybody else.

>Billionaires spend their money on bullshit markets like lambroghinis and huge houses

Yeah, this may shock you, but rich people are able to buy nicer things than the poor. Like I have previously stated, rich people don't put their money under their mattresses, they invest in in factories and machines that in turn increase the productivity and improve the working conditions of the average worker. The money that is not invested is put into banks, banks use this money to make loans, and people use these loans to start new businesses or a variety of other things that are beneficial to the average American.

>>9244662
>>9244660
Are you children going to provide an argument or just wallow in your ignorance towards economic reality?

>>9244622
I'm willing to bet you were educated in America.

>>9244690
Wealth IS a zero sum game because money represents resources, which is definitely finite. Deal with it faggot.

>>>/pol/
>>>/america/

>>9244721
>money represents resources

ITT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SwKxUz7osM

>>9244721
I haven't been to /jp/ in over a year, and the first thing I see on my return is... an economics troll.

Really?

>>9244753

The fact that you dismiss this notion is proof that you have no idea how money came to be in the first place.

I think hanging out in /jp/ has made me worse. I still have some lingering attachments to reality after all.

>>9244721

Wealth isn't the same as money.

>>9244690
>Are you children going to provide an argument or just wallow in your ignorance towards economic reality?

What you're saying is true, but only on a very simplistic, basic scale, which is why it's hard to take your claims seriously. Besides-most wealth in modern capitalist countries is created through complex financial schemes that benefit only those directly involved.

>But working for a small amount of money is objectively superior to starving in the streets.

I think I'd rather live out of trash cans and off what little non-developed land was left in China than work in one of those miserable fucking factories.

>>9244796
Sigh, holy shit.

I guess I have to explain to you what money is, and the different types of money. It's really a shame you are so uneducated.

There are three different types of money, commodity, representative, and fiat.

>commodity money

There are many different things that could be defined as commodity money. These things include rare metals/gems/shells/beads, that are used to exchange for other items of value. Think of it as a form of bartering.

>representative money

This type of money includes things like gold/silver coins that represent a certain value of money. This value is directly tied to the commodity that it represents.

>Fiat money

This is the type of money we have. It's value does not come from commodities, or any sort of resources like you claim it does. It's money comes from government order, for example in the US our money is provided by the federal reserve.


Understand?

>>9244796

No, it's proof that you don't understand what money is in the modern world. No one uses a commodity currency anymore, you fucking retard.

Do you think a resource is plucked from the earth and tacked to a dollar when one is created? How do calculate a resource like human labor, asshole, especially when it varies depending on who is valuing it?

Oh, right. You're trolling. I like how NSJ leaves this thread up, but deletes plenty of /jp/ related ones.

>>9244829
>wealth in modern capitalist countries is created through complex financial schemes that benefit only those directly involved

I'm sure you can provide some examples.

>>9244846

Mortgage and student loan backed securities that are likely to default.

I'm sure you'll make some argument about how useful and beneficial this is to people, but it's just an example of banks doing what they can to make a short-term profit while fucking everyone else over.

This thread stinks of libertarians and people dumb enough to argue with them

>>9243940
When I expressed aloud how I was waiting to eat them all night, I was told that I should have taken them to my room if I wanted them so badly. I said it was a bit mean to buy food for someone else and then eat it before they had any. After a short bit of discussion I was apologized to for the incident. When I came out into the kitchen about an hour later there were two packages of Oreos sitting on the counter.

>>9244554
>I can't wait until I'm done with my bullshit degree. Then, assuming I can find a job, I can do something I hate for 8 hours a day for a meager salary, just enough for my subsistence, so I can make it to another day of work.

>Maybe I'll go get a graduate degree, and then just shoot myself when I actually have to repay my loans.
You're not one of those hipster fags are you? No wonder all the jobs are being outsourced, Americans are spoiled brats who want a 100k job starting after they graduate with their little shitty 4year degree. The fact that you don't even KNOW what you want to do after graduating college just confirms it.
Have fun working at Target :)
Who knows with enough hard work maybe you'll become an assistant manager one day :)

>>9244858
>Mortgage and student loan

Yeah, because these aren't beneficial to ANYONE. Are you kidding me, son?

>I'm sure you'll make some argument about how useful and beneficial this is to people, but it's just an example of banks doing what they can to make a short-term profit while fucking everyone else over.

You can only make money if there is a demand for a particular service, and if there is a demand then obviously someone filling that demand is beneficial to SOMEONE.

>>9244839
>>9244841

You guys completely missed my point in your self-righteous zeal. You're right on your economic points in these posts, but your reading comprehension is so low it's off the scale.

Money came about in the first place because people needed to define their resources. In basic terms, money represents resources. The types of money are irrelevant to this point, and what money means in the modern world is also irrelevant. Money always has been an indicator of one's resources and always will be. That's what money is, and you don't need types of money or the current world-view on money to make this simple definition.

tl;dr - these retards can't read and clearly still don't understand the origin of money, hence proving my point.

>>9244883
Ignore this guy, he's a false flag troll.

There's debating a point, and then there's being a dick.

>>9244839
>>9244841

You guys completely missed my point in your self-righteous zeal. You're right on your economic points in these posts, but your reading comprehension is so low it's off the scale.

Money came about in the first place because people needed to define their resources. In basic terms, money represents resources. The types of money are irrelevant to this point, and what money means in the modern world is also irrelevant. Money always has been an indicator of one's resources and always will be. That's what money is, and you don't need types of money or the current world-view on money to make this simple definition.

There was a time when NEETs were just left to their threads, and the whole board wasn't full of people bitching and moaning about how to get them to go to work.

Leave the NEETs alone, and the board works fine. Populate with normal types, and our meta quota for the month is eaten through in minutes. We really do need a new janitor who will do something about that.

>>9244904
>>9244901
>Money always has been an indicator of one's resources and always will be.

But that's wrong, nerd. Today the federal reserve could print 100000000000$ dollars of fiat currency and the value of our fiat dollar would plummet because of inflation thus it wouldn't be worth as much. They can print as much as they want because it isn't tied to a resource or commodity, like it used to be(gold).

>>9244922
Nobody is telling them to get jobs.

They started complaining about how the world is evil and corporations are out to steal everyone's money and I simply corrected them.

>>9244932
Those aren't NEETs, those are just kids here trying to get a stir out of people.

That said, I respect your work, or if that wasn't you, then they guy who took the reigns of this thread and educated some yuppie fucks.

>>9244870
Also, the last time I ate Oreos my poop started becoming the same black color as the cookie bit. Has anyone else noticed this?

>>9244904

No, you're seriously retarded and don't understand money.

You're trying to back pedal as hard as possible because you fucked up. Money may be indicative of someone's resource ownership, but it's not representative. Do you understand the difference? Probably not.

In my country you don't have to payback student loans till you earn over 50k and while studying you are entitled to student allowance.

>>9244924

All printing out more currency does is reduce the market value of currency. It's still an indicator of resources, just like if you had 20 barrels of oil today and the price per barrel of oil dropped significantly by the end of the trading day, you'd still have those 20 barrels of oil and they'd still be worth something, even if it's not nearly their initial value.

Don't argue with a Jew over economics. You're gonna fucking lose.

>>9244932

Are you implying that corporations don't routinely fuck people over?

>>9244947

>>9244941

I think you're totally ass-backwards. See >>9244954

Regardless, you're taking my point way out of context. You're suggesting I don't know economics when I simply pointed out some faggot's false conclusion that money doesn't represent resources. It clearly does, so stop your shitposting.

>>9244954

The big difference is that you can't press a button to magic more oil into the world, filthy jew.

>>9244974

Money doesn't represent resources. You're still incorrect, faggot.

>>9244976

Still doesn't change my point. Have a nice day.

>>9244954
Just wanna say as the anon who initially stated the money is representative of resources point, thanks for picking up my slack while I was gone. Glad to see there are like minded individuals out there.

>>9244954
>just like if you had 20 barrels of oil today and the price per barrel of oil dropped significantly by the end of the trading day, you'd still have those 20 barrels of oil and they'd still be worth something

Yes you would still have 20 barrels but those 20 barrels would be worth less THUS PROVING that the value of our money is not at all fucking indicative of our resources. Jesus christ.

The value of money is tied only to our government, and how much they want our currency to be worth and how much of it they want to be available(via printing).

Niggers in this thread need to learn what capital is.

>>9244984
see
>>9245003

>>9244208
That is basically the plot to Frankenstein.

Needs more Kanako.

>>9244993

You're welcome. My biggest pet peeve is raging fagtardedness, like >>9245003, thinking the point is the value of money when it's simply the fact that it's representative of resources.

In response to >>9245003:

Again, it still represents your resources because what you have doesn't change even if the value does. If the value decreases, you simply have less equity, but you still have the same 20 barrels of oil and $15,000 cold cash. You're not gonna get the same purchasing power, but that's how money works and not what it is. Money is the 20 barrels of oil and $15,000. How it works is the fact that its value is irregular and unpredictable.

>>9245019
see
>>9245044

>>9245044
>what you have doesn't change even if the value does

Are you kidding me? The only fucking point of our money is it's value, if it's value goes down, then what you have does indeed change. Sure you have the some green pieces of paper, but if they aren't worth a dime because of inflation it doesn't matter at all.

But alas, you're a troll, because the very definition of our fiat currency proves you wrong.
>Fiat money is money that derives its value from government regulation or law: the initial value of fiat money is established by government decree.

Please go back to /v/ or wherever you came from, your borderline retardation is giving me a headache.

>>9244135
Higher education is bullshit.
Totally utterly useless garbage piece of toilet roll paper.
It is a sad thing that the whole world is currently using it as an intelligence filter.
I am probably not a true NEET like some of you since I am freelancer that maybe work like 6months a year but trust me I have never apply anything I learnt from school into my work. I basically have to self study and read up on materials when I work. The technology is always changing and by the time you get into the field the stuff from school is already obsolete.
Of course this doesnt apply to shit like literature or arts major I guess.
Also working suck, I dare say it brings more depression compare to NEETing without any worry or care in the world. I am downright jealous of you NEET with rich parents.

To the "money is representative of resources" Anon(s?):
Congratulations on passing that one economics course you took in high school. We are all very impressed.

>>9245084
Higher education if only useless if you're studying some generic shit degree like business/media studies/sociology because your mom/college/college brochure told you

If you want to make money and be employed, study a decent major like accounting/nursing/etc.
thats all there is to it

>>9245086

Again, your argument reeks of retardation. Sure, a government can nullify the face value of the pieces of paper you hold. You can still use the bills as note paper, and so can everyone else. In the end, they still have value and you still have resources, even if they'll net you nothing more than the would-be equivalent of a penny. The point is still the same - money is indicative of your quantifiable resources, regardless of how strong or how weak they are.

Please, do continue arguing with me. I'm being entertained by my own insanity. Crushing arguments like yours gives me a sort of sadistic satisfaction I can only obtain from true idiots like yourself.

>>9245119

>Accounting

I think I'd rather be homeless than do that shit for a living.

/jp/ - Jewish Pricesses/I am very much into economics

>>9245084
If you want cash pick from these:

Economics
Engineering( all fields )
Healthcare

>>9245126

What about Engineering or Computer Science?

>>9245136
>all fields

Is this nigga serious?

>>9245138

Much more interesting than accounting, but I'm too stupid for that stuff. If I had to choose between the two, even knowing I had a hire chance of failing at understanding CS or any form of engineering, I'd still do it, because I fucking hate accounting so much. It's so goddamned boring.

>>9245131
> they still have value

Our fiat money only has value because the government declared it as our official currency. If tomorrow the government switched currencies, the green paper we have today would be worth absolutely fucking nothing. Thus proving you wrong.

>>>9245147

*higher

Also, college wouldn't be so filled with bullshit if the market wasn't so saturated with graduates. The minimum requirements for a semi-decent job with benefits has been severely artificially raised, without the qualifications actually having anything to do with your job.

>>9245150
If a engineering career for it exist is because it's needed.

>>9245136
you forgot drug dealing and prostitution

>>9245165
> college wouldn't be so filled with bullshit if the market wasn't so saturated with graduates

This is largely because of the government subsidizing student loans for everyone, and keeping interests rates artificially low. We're going to have a college bubble just like we had a housing bubble.

Everyone could get a loan for a house, then the housing market crashed and everyone was fucked. Same thing going on here.

>>9245136
>>9245119
You guys arent getting my point.
I have an engineering degree, why do you think I can be a freelancer?
The problem is, what you learn in school is fucking useless. The ASM that I learn? Mathlab? Labview?
Never even used it my whole working career. The FFT shit? Never even touch it once I graduated.
What I have been doing to continue to get future jobs? Reading on training materials provided to staff of big multinational companies from scribd.
Education is a scam.

>>9245168
civil engineers and audio engineers have lots of trouble finding jobs

>>9245160
Maybe the currency would be worth nothing but if you had oil barrels you could exchange it for a different governments currency that would not be so rash to discontinue it's fiat wealth. (not even the guy you were talking to)_

pls go stormfront

What would a NEET do if another depression hits?

>>9245131

>money is indicative of your quantifiable resources

If the government and other people do not recognize them as currency, then they are just pieces of paper, which are worth whatever other pieces of paper are, and are not indicative of anyone's wealth outside of the pieces of paper they have.

I guess, if you want to consider pieces of green, dyed cotton paper as a valid measure of a person's "quantifiable resources" in such a circumstance, then you're correct. But in such a case, they would cease to be money, and would merely be bartering objects, which renders your original point moot.

>>9245160

You're neglecting the otherwise-irrelevant points in >>9244839. That paper money that the government abandoned went from fiat money to commodity money overnight. The value of that paper, like I said, is next to worthless, but still worth something. In case you haven't noticed, people have been selling blank pieces of paper called "index cards" for quite some time now. Those apparently have value, you just need a lot of them in order to make them worth anything. If you have 15,000 $1 bills, you have 15,000 pieces of note paper you can sell in bundles of 100 for a small price.

Please, do try to correct me if I'm wrong. "Try".

I'm studying philosophy.
Tell me what you think.

>>9245187

I know. It'll be interesting to watch, I guess. It's going to be a lot worse than the housing bubble, by the way.

>>9245199
Good for you, fellow philosophy Anon!

>>9245199
What are you going to do, teach it back, write a book or flip burguers?

>>9245200
There have always been two types of NEET. One seems genuinely happy and content living a life with a dim future and minimal social interactions.

The other is pretty much the opposite in that they long first and foremost for social interaction. Most everything in their life is governed by their desire for interaction. Following that they would like a promising future, which usually means worrying about entering schooling or training of some sort eventually in the future. Finally, they're discontent with the labels society has put on them and would like to change their lives for the "better".

Disgusting people, that second group. They really are the lowest of the low. Especially all the people here wanting to get a job, longing for friends outside and being depressed about their NEET lifestyle. Just die already if you are so sad about your NEET life.

>>9245205
Okay, what does that have to do with my post?

>>9245199

Philosophy is a good program. It's unfortunate that most of society, especially in the corporate and political sense, find it absurd and useless. C'est la vie.

>>9245205
I think you misunderstood what he meant by "another depression," friend.

>>9245205

dat copypasta

>>9245199
you're fucked, I hope you enjoy your job serving mocha lattes at Starbucks or calling people to sell insurance :)
>>9245200
apply for autismbux
if Obama gets reelected you're guaranteed another 4 years

>>9245196
It's really hard to tell if you're being serious or kidding around.

If the government declared that our green fiat money was no longer the currency, it would be worthless as far as most people are concerned. It would have the same value as any other piece of paper, because that's all it is.

You keep proving my points by accident. The reason it's value drops is because the government is no longer recognizing it, thus it becomes near worthless. Your argument is that our money represents our resources, but if that were true, then the value of our green paper money would not drop if the government stopped recognizing it, because in your world it's value is upheld by resources and not the government.

>>9245200
start stocking up for the next world war

>>9245205

I don't want or like social interaction, nor do I care about the labels society brands me with, but I need money to survive and I can't realistically stay in my parents basement NEETing it up for the rest of my days.

>>9245223
it's because money creates a bubble in which resources are being traded. money is like a guarantee that the resources will be worth something later

>>9245243
But only as long as the government recognizes our fiat money as the official currency. Without the government propping up the value of these green pieces of paper, they would be worth next to nothing.

>>9245165
>>9245205
These guys are closest to on-point with what I was originally talking about.

I have no idea how all this economic libertarian bullshit came in here. I was just trying to talk about the vast conspiracy to make you work and not be a NEET, but instead it derailed into whatever the fuck just happened up there.

I am sincerely sorry that these retards shat up this NEET thread.

>>9245238
why not? do you not have autism bux? do your parents hate you? my mom is moving out to leave me the house and I get to keep my ~$700 a month from the government to survive. pretty sweet deal yo

>>9245203
I hope you well.
>>9245204
Since I want to blog:
Book---->teach----->Neetdom---->death
>>9245212
My exact impressions.
>>9245222
Death will be first.

>>9245255
Don't feel to bad, this thread was shit from the start.

>>9245255

>>9245264
Thanks

>>9245223

First, you buy paper, right? Loose-leaf, notebook...you buy that shit, right? It has value. Abandoned currency will still have value, just like I said. You seem to be dismissing this fact in order to prove your point, but:

>It would have the same value as any other piece of paper, because that's all it is.

Thanks for proving my point on that one, anon.

Next, you've got my world backwards. My world says that if you have 20 barrels of oil and $15,000 and the government says that the $15,000 is now worthless, you still have up to 15,000 pieces of scratch paper and the 20 barrels of oil. You don't have near the same value of resources, but you still have the same amount of resources. Regardless of what the value is dependent upon, these are your resources and it is what you have to work with. Including things like real property, houses, cars, etc. would be logical since those are forms of money - the commodity type. Even if everything devalued to a flat zero price, you'd still have these resources. It'd still be money, but it'd have zero value. You can then exchange these for other possessions of zero value, which is called a barter system. Barter systems still use money, but they only use commodity trading as opposed to including the other two forms of money. There's still value in barter systems, but it's dependent upon the individual's personal value on a product or service. Hence why I might pay a friend $20 to help change the oil in my car and then pay that same friend only $10 to help fix a small electrical problem in my house.

To conclude, you still have 20 barrels of oil and 15,000 pieces of scrap paper you can trade for things of value. My point? Unchanged. Thank you.

>>9245254
but the government is representative of the people. a government would not exist without those who lived in it. ultimately it's up to the citizens to decide what has value.

>>9245278

No, your original point was that money was REPRESENTATIVE AND INDICATIVE of a person's total wealth. NOT that money was a physical object and thus could be traded for other things, you fucking jewbag. .

>>9245199
You are badass. Capitalists don't understand your value, but don't worry: someday you'll be needed. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

>>9245289

While I didn't explicitly say "total", that was the implication, and it's still spot on. You seem to have an awful time piecing things together, but that's alright. I can't expect everyone to be as sharp as me.

Money is indicative of your wealth. If you had the money to purchase a Lamborghini one day, and the value of your money drops overnight to the point you can't afford one, the money you have is still indicative of your wealth. You just don't have as much in terms of value, or purchasing power, as you did the day before. I've just had to put this point into so many words that you've lost the simplicity of the point. Here, let me try again:

tl;dr - money is representative and indicative of one's wealth.

>>9245284
The only thing tying people to their government is violence. Not to say that libertarianism isn't bullshit though.

>>9245278
I'm honestly done with you, seriously. Nothing you say makes any sense at all.

>My world says that if you have 20 barrels of oil and $15,000 and the government says that the $15,000 is now worthless, you still have up to 15,000 pieces of scratch paper and the 20 barrels of oil.

Yes you still have 15,000, but they are just pieces of scratch paper because the government is not propping up it's value. I'm glad you agree that without government intervention our paper money would be worth nothing(thus proving you wrong, but I'll continue just to make you happy).

>Even if everything devalued to a flat zero price, you'd still have these resources.

Yes, 15,000 pieces of paper is a resource, but it is no longer money, because the government does no recognize it as such. Thus destroying it's value and making it no different from any other piece of paper.

>You can then exchange these for other possessions of zero value, which is called a barter system.

Yes this is called commodity money. THIS is the system in which the money represents resources, because the government no longer is artificially supplying valuing to green paper money.

This back and forth is going nowhere. You have already admitted that our fiat money is worth nothing(aka as much as any other piece of paper) if the government does not recognize it. If this paper money really was representative of resources, it's value would not be affected by whether the government recognized it or not.

Much like the government can't wake up one day and decide how much gold is worth, because it is a commodity that is tied to resources, unlike our money.

I just got done moving into a new house with my parents. The move was really the worst. First of all they dragged me out of my room so they could clean up. My Dad was really upset about the condition my room was in and I can't say I could blame him.. Piss bottles and garbage everywhere, boogers on walls. it was just a mess. He made me move my computer to the basement while he cleaned up. I couldn't have privacy down there and there are no doors, I felt really uncomfortable. I had to help them move and it really took a lot out of me. I spent all my time laying around so I'm really sore from it. In the new house I feel like my NEET lifestyle has been stripped away from me. They make me keep my bedroom door open and my Dad looks around my room every day. They make me keep my window curtains open and shower daily. I hate it.

>>9245311

You are so fucking retarded that it's giving me a headache. There's no sense arguing with you-you don't even know what the hell you're talking about, let alone the logic behind it.

>>9245314

You contradict yourself too much. Go to /v/ and inquire about Ace Attorney. I don't need to point out the obvious because everyone can see how poorly your argument holds against mine.

>>9245325
> I don't need to point out the obvious because everyone can see how poorly your argument holds against mine.

Alright, sure, whatever.

>>9245326

Post a flow-chart of your logic then. I'd like to see how this works, because I'm rofling every new post you make.

>>9245320
You're not a NEET, you're a pig.

>>9245336

Why don't you post a flowchart of yours first. Perhaps in outlining your own logic, you'll see why everyone here is treating you like you have some form of brain damage.

>>9245341
You're not a vehicle, you're a truck.

>>9245347
Please don't respond to him anymore, he's just looking for attention. I have tried to educate him and he is beyond hope.

>>9245320
A NEET's world is his room so I understand how moving might be traumatic.

It'll get better, I promise!

>>9245320

That's pretty bad dude, I'm a total NEET but I still vacuum, do the laundry, clean dishes, take out trash, clean up generally.

I am just horrible when it comes to dealing with people, which is sadly a requirement to be successful in society.

>>9245372

I am pretty much the same. The only real mess in my room is soda bottles I havn't bagged up yet.

I go through about a 2 liter or more a day.

How did the argument devolve from "money isn't representative of resources" (it isn't) to "money isn't representative of wealth" (which it is)?

>>9245392
Back pedaling.

>>9245347
>>9245314
>>9245392
>>9245403

It's people like you guys that fuck up the global economy and make people want to avoid it. Please, remove yourselves from our gene pool immediately, do not pass Go, and do not collect $200. ^^

Have you ever thought about going to Japan for work? Even teaching English?

Don't respond to the retard two posts above me.

I've applied to every place nearby, and they've all rejected me. But I'm not too upset about it. I sincerely enjoy staying at home, just reading books, posting on 4chan, watching anime, etc. I need some source on income eventually, and while I have none now, I know something will come up eventually. As long as I keep looking.

I have savings from my entire life up to this point. Use some of it and pay half the rent/utilities/all my food every month. Stay with my mother. If I don't find an income source in a little less than 2 years it'll all be gone. But I'm not too upset. Even if I go broke, as long as I continue putting effort out, I don't think my mother will kick me out.

And if she does? I'm not too upset about that either. I'll adapt. Besides, if I do end up homeless, I'll have nothing to lose, and then I'll have interesting stories to tell, you know?

I don't have much of a reason to be upset.

>>9245482
I haven't thought about doing any work.

>>9245482
You need a bachelor's degree for teaching english in Japan. So that's out the window. Not sure if you need one for other Asian countries.

>>9244208
Should have ended at the glass rose, my feelings get thrown around too easily.

>>9245392
I don't think anyone was saying that money doesn't represent wealth..

>>9245473
I pity the fools who've been wasting their time trying to argue with you. You clearly don't know what fiat currency is. Most likely, you don't know what the word "representative" means either.

>>9245499
What about online? Or do you mean just the effort involved?

>>9245514

Ignore him, he's just a self-righteous retard.

>>9245495
Nice to see that my fellow /jp/sies aren't all like this guy>>9243557

>>9245514
see:
>>9244839

Please, do correct yourselves. To me, money is money - it's representative of your resources, which includes all assets. These people want to say that money is solely tied to value, and it's not. Your wealth is tied to the value of your money, which is representative of your resources. I don't get why these fagtards are so stupid that they aren't getting that. It's like they have economics degrees and have Vegeta Syndrome where they can't remember the basics despite knowing all the advanced shit.

>>9245523
Indeed. An end to your NEET days is horrible, I can only hope the majority of /jp/sies won't suffer it.

>>9245510
I think the argument degenerated somewhere around here: >>9245289

As >>9245403 said, clearly backpedaling.

>>9243557
>over how unemployed I am
I don't think that's how unemployment works.

>>9245495
Considering that another financial crisis in the near future is quite likely, if you can't get a job now, it is highly likely you won't be able to in the future or will be in an even worse financial situation than you expect. You should start figuring out how to make money for yourself now. This isn't as hard as it sounds, and right now you have all you need: a private space and an internet connection. There is of course all kinds of things on the internet, but probably the quickest thing you can do is learn how to manufacture drugs. Psychedelics likes weed, mushroooms, and DMT are all incredibly easy to grow/manufacture, and can net you enough to at least subsist.

>>9245556

I've always wanted to grow and try mushrooms, but I'd be too frightened to sell them. I also think mushrooms are terrifyingly creepy looking, especially when they are growing out of a pf tek cake.

/jp/ just got jewish

>>9245556
If you feel like you're unable to make connects irl, there's always the silk road.

>>9245482
Japan is not bubbles and sparkles like in your eroge and anime. You cant even get government handout like in your own country.

>>9245624
Do you live there? What do you do for a living?

>>9245586

go back to news retard

lets all grow shrooms bro!!

Hikki here

I spent all my life in the house. If I wasn't in the house, I was in compulsory education while wishing I was home playing video games. School has not taught me how to succeed in life nor did gaming. I am stuck living in a reality where I do not know how to succeed. I have 0 employable skills and I cannot land a no-skill job. I am currently a parasite to my dad.

Emotionally i've had a lot of problems. I've had an abusive brother (who is 10 years older than me) who would ridicule me for not having friends or going outside to do whatever generic normal activity he would spout and spending all my time in my room. He was a drug addict who blew all his income from his $22/hr union job on bars and drugs. I know he was just taking out his own anger onto me. Basically i've been tormented my whole early-mid teen years by my brother which only fueled my social recluse. My emotional stability fluctuates because of the ever looming doom of my parasitic lifestyle not being sustainable and the fact that I hate living the lifestyle.

My parents are very apathetic when it comes to my life. My brothers were a handful while I was easily dealt with because I just sat in my room all day only coming out to grab food or go to the bathroom. My mom was overwhelmed with my 2 brothers while my dad always worked and is emotionally awkward. My dad supports me and my failure of an existence and i'm honestly surprised he hasn't kicked me out so I can die in the streets. My mom is a wage slave and is always stressed out.

Touhou has been in my life for 3 years. It has inspired me to take up music and sewing. I found a glimmer of hope and meaning through Touhou. I want to play the music and I want to wear the costumes. I feel like my life is redeemable and has the potential to be productive. That is, if I was intelligent enough to be able to learn and become somewhat skilled at my newly acquired hobbies. I gave up on my garment I was making because I got stuck and I didn't know how to fix it. I am hardly a musician, I spent my life playing video games, not playing music. Music actually takes skill, unlike video games.

I live in an existence where I have no knowledge or skills to help me survive on my own. I live in an environment that discriminates heavily towards my no-skill useless brain that no one would pay a wage for. I lived for temporary pleasures and hedonism trying to withdraw from reality and live in a fantasy world where I had some kind of power or meaningful existence as a respectable character. But, I am not that. I am a 21 year old man that has never held a job and passed high school with a 51 average. I live in an environment that will ruin me and will leave my husk to decompose and maybe be something useful like grass or feed another organism.

I wont kill myself, because that'd hurt and the nihilism that I constantly feel would basically be the same thing as being dead, except I can't think about Touhous and feel good sometimes like when I masturbate or play video games.

>>9245683


You can say that I am lucky that I have a parent to leech off of, or that I live in the first world. It's all for naught because I am a failure. The skills(or lack of) I have learned, the environment I grew up with and the environment I live in now are not suited for me to survive. I lived in a sheltered world as a child and only recently am I realizing just how hilariously unprepared I am for the real world. I'm just glad I don't have to worry about my village being bombed because then I couldn't enjoy Touhou.
Also, I accidently made a trip because I wanted to put my name as "Hikki blog post #1,2,3" etc. Oops

>>9245689
>I live in the first world
get on autismbux, dude

>>9245709

I wouldn't know how and I am too much of a pussy to pretend whatever condition I need to get autism bux

>>9245683

>Music actually takes skill, unlike video games.

I bet Beethoven never 1ccd SA Lunatic. Checkmate, musicians.

>>9245681
>>9245683
>>9245689

Words of a true Hikki. Though if you could write all that in such good grammar, you could possibly take up writing. Since you like Touhou so much, work on some fanfics a little bit at a time. If you work on that, you can maybe elevate yourself to the "donations pls" level and at least earn a few bucks here and there. It's worth a shot since there are plenty of avenues to drop your fanfiction on and get recognition.

While I personally have employable skills, my social anxiety makes it extremely difficult for me to get through the interview phase, so employment for me is based almost solely on luck and fate. Instead, I do pretty much what you do and just sit inside and do whatever.

>>9244238
I would fuck a fat man for a weekly 150USD allowance.

>>9245727

You over-estimate my writing skills.

>>9245718
you dont need to pretend anything, dude

>>9245747

What I can't get over is that the kid asks for a computer.
Is that an exaggeration or do kids in America actually do stuff like that?

>>9245754

I'm not really estimating, I'm just saying that your grammar is good enough that you wouldn't come across as a trashy fanfic author if you tried your hand at it. Even if your actual work isn't par, you'd get some tips and encouragement. Persistence would be key, but if all you have is time and spunk on your hands, it couldn't hurt to try.

I can't even get a shit job at a fast food place or a gas station so I'm thinking about volunteering to get experience. Is this a good idea?

I don't really need to work at the moment, but I would like to have a backup plan.

>>9245754

To expand on your reply.

If your job is something that does take skill, your social anxiety would not be as detrimental as you might think. Funny enough, I do not have social anxiety because I realized people are fucking morons (thanks to video games) and I talk to them in a bluntly honest and condescending manner like an asshole. If you have a skill thats in demand and you do it well, employers don't give a shit about your social skills. Social skills and shallow small talk are for no-skill work because rejects work in fast food and etc so they need to know that you aren't a retard and will actually manage to show up to work.

>>9245763
Kids in America do this all the time. I cannot count how many of the people I know my age that were pissed they got the wrong color car, the wrong color iPhone, or didn't get an iPad and got a car instead for xmas/birthday/whatever.

Kids in this country are spoiled fucking brats.

>>9245773

Yes. Just make sure that whoever you volunteer for will act as a reference and write letters of recommendation for you.

>>9245773

I volunteered at a hospital for a year.

No luck. But, you should really do it because you need shit on your resume to even get a shred of hope of someone even looking at it.

>>9245681
Were you born in an English speaking country? You have a marketable skill. If not, well there's other options.

Ask your father if you can learn a trade. You don't have to go to college to take classes on flower arranging or candy making.

They are marketable skills.

Seriously desperate and worried that even those trades are too interactive with people?

Stuff envelopes or manufacture machine parts in your home. You don't even have to interact with another human being to do those things. I knew a woman who spent her time making tiny engines.

Don't think of those as things you do to become independent. Those are things to do to buy things you want without bothering your father or if you want to help alleviate the pressure of your caretaking.

>>9245689
It's annoying when you aren't raised to become an adult, and then everyone expects you to be an adult. School is supposed to teach this, but it generally doesn't. I remember as my high school graduation approached, I was completely terrified because I'd been filled with mostly pointless trivia. Nothing I could actually use. Hell, I can't even put anything I DID learn to use, because my teachers all just taught us how to pass tests. That's it.

Enough of that, though. If you don't care about what strangers you will never meet will think of you, would you be interested in creating a blog about your reclusive lifestyle? You could make yourself look like a freak and even if people despise you, traffic is traffic. You might be able to monetize it.

>>9245763
Just the other day I was at a grocery store and over heard a teenage girl on her phone as I walked by. She was laughing about how she didn't win any prizes for senior celebration party or whatever. So her mother bought her a laptop, an iPhone, and a digital camera. Not exactly related, but still.

>>9245789

I am able to socialize with people. It is not that big of an issue for me. And yes I do live in an english area.

It's landing any opportunity to get trained by an employer or to learn a trade elsewhere that is the problem.

I'm going into Engineering this winter. It's my last chance to redeem myself on a career/financial level. I've relearned all math up to calculus and i've learned basic chemistry, optics, force, energy before hand.

One last chance to propel myself to middle class and live a true first-world existence.

>>9245644
>>9245644
I am >>9245184 & >>9245084
All I am saying is, the grass is always greener on the side. I never understand all the depressed NEET here. They are living the life getting fed by their government or their rich parents. As someone that is NEETing on and off, I would do anything to be able to NEET for life.
At least being in education isnt that bad since you only waste 20hours of your life per week in class but wasting at least 8hours of your life everyday for employment until your retirement age? The time vs reward for it is just not worth it.
I am betting on my weekly Loto6. Cant wait to get out of this shithole and retire on some cheap and quiet island for the rest of my life if I hit the jackpot.

>>9245798

As long as no one I know sees the blog, I wouldn't care.

The blog would mostly be about my political stances and what I think about the world. Of course, with laughable stances and information to base it on because I went to public school for 12 years.

I might do it, I might not. I have a bunch of pursuits on my plate and i'm burned out on all of them.

>>9245781
>>9245785
Alright, if this last batch of applications doesn't get me anything I'll start looking into it. Thanks.

>>9245689

You are not a bad or useless person. In fact, in just those three posts you were probably more honest in accurately analysing your own traits and feelings than many are over a lifetime. Just because our materialist, capitalist society doesn't place monetary value on those traits doesn't mean that they aren't useful. I would be interested in hearing your opinion on some more issues.

>>9245866

This. There was a reason ancient cultures used strategists, tacticians, analysts, philosophers, and the like. They're still relevant these days, and you proved that you can be analytical.

>>9245798
>>9245813
I didn't realise that you had already mentioned this as a suggestion. I'd read your blog gladly--will it be called 'hikki blog post'? Ha ha, just kidding!

Wow, a genuine NEET thread! Finally (my last couple times browsing /jp/ I was wondering what was wrong with this place all of a sudden!)

Anyways, I sympathise with a lot of what is written here. This summer, my dad is putting a lot of pressure on me to get a job, but I don't really want to as I don't have a car and my parents/brother are almost always using it, so it would be really inconvenient unless the job was very close. Also, I never really see myself as the type to flip burgers or work in a supermarket--it's annoying not to feel like I'm doing something worthwhile. In the past I've managed to land jobs tutoring people in math, something that I at least feel comfortable doing and in the past have received praise for (it was mostly undeserved, as I just liked to do whatever the students wanted me to, so of course they liked me!) ... anyways, that got my dad off my back for a while, but it wasn't enough of a 'real job' for him since sometimes it was under 20 hours a week. It really bugs me, though, because my brother is taking a summer physics course and I want to be able to help him with his class, which is really difficult, and have time to work on some projects like drawing, writing songs, making videos and posting blogs/vlogs, etc. ... but since it's not 'real/world' stuff it's not a good enough excuse... to be honest, I just wish I were doing a student exchange program in Japan. I even told my dad that, 'just so I wouldn't have to work'. Oh well, maybe I can get a packaging/janitor job or something.

>>9245866
>>9245892

It's good to hear this from those that are in similiar situations as I am. I always had this pride about my problem-solving and analytical skills. It is why I am investing my whole being into becoming an Engineer. The job requires someone like me and I could mostly definitely become a good Engineer. I always did shame myself for priding myself in skills and traits because it's not really something you can easily prove to yourself. The more you know, the more you realize how little you know. It throws off your perspective and relative position in this existence. Same with skill, the better you are, the worse you realize you are. It isn't until you put yourself relative to others is when you truly see where you are competitively to other people.

Perhaps my life-long isolation has minimized my skill level because I have had no one to position it relatively. Except for video games, I already know I am absurdly good at them.

>>9245900

I'm afraid I wont be making a blog. Honestly, it's a lot of work and I am far too lazy. It's good to know that someone legitimately thinks I should write a blog and would actually read it more than once.

>>9245941

Welcome to the cruel existence that is reality.

You will need to work and be creative/smart enough to be in a financial position where you can do the things you love while minimize the things you hate.

That is the requirement for the good life.

>>9246012

Any philosopher would counter this with the simple fact that the ONLY requirement for a good life is happiness, which is to say "good" and "happy" are both relative to the individual perception.

>>9246038

The main message I am getting across is that you need the financial breathing room and stability to be able to safely and securely pursue the things that do make you happy.

>>9245942
"The more you know, the more you realise the less you know." So true...

Also, I'm sure you already know this, but engineering is one of the single most profitable fields of employment (as well as one of the ones with the most guaranteed jobs). Best of luck! As part of my major I had to take Circuit Theory just last quarter, and I found it extremely difficult--I was the only non-engineering student in my class, I think.

NEET threads crush me harder than that panzer did to Mr. Bean's car.

>>9246012
>>9246038

I agree with both of you; however, shouldn't the main goal be to get rid of all desire, so that you will not have any of your own 'wants' that you must satisfy? Then, you can just satisfy your own 'needs', and live a meaningful life by satisfying the 'wants' of others.

>>9246078

From what I understand, that's the core concept for both Buddhism and Taoism.

>>9245763
I've had my father buy computer for me back before I could legally do so. But I'd have to give him the money before he'd do so.

>>9246094

Stupid Gooks, they can't come up with anything original after all!

>>9246108

>back before I could legally do so

What?

My excuse is society is shit and the CPI where I live is fucking out outrageous (Vancouver,BC)

I have done the math ... if I worked I'd need an extra $600 to afford basic utilties + food.

rent alone costs $850+ a month and is climbing due to a massive real estate bubble.

my country is also being infested with chingchongs that evade taxes and ruin the price of education, food, gas, rent, utilties -- everything is inflated.

I can't move out because there is no work outside of 2-3 cities that are frozen 95% of the time and have shit job prospects.

even the government doll leaves you with only enough to pay for 80% of your rent for the month -- thats a lot of cocks to suck.


I just hope the youth who still have hope (or anger) get enough balls to do something.

>>9244622
Every single major S&P 500 country spends a fraction of a fraction of their gross profit on R&D

Most goes into share buy backs / dividends.

That doesn't include Advertising, PR , buying the media, etc etc.

>>9244846
Investment banking

$1,000,000 minimum hedgefunds (IE the ones that actually make money)

Securities fraud schemes that allow you to pay a couple millions on your billions of defrauded returns (there are hundreds of these and just as many major players)

High Frequency/Algo Trading which makes up conservatively 75% of all orders

Planned shake and bakes, corporate espionage, PR hit jobs, media purchases, buying politicians (and entire governments)

Government "bailing out" debt ridden corporations that have absolutely no competitive edge, hold government enforced oligopolies, and have unhealthy business models.

I blame all this NEET/Hikki shit on public schools.

>>9246451

Me too, man; check out my blog at http;//dfcotaku.wordpress.com where I may post more about this.

>>9246472
I'm not giving you ad money, faggot.

>>9246472
You are not a NEET. You are in University, you idiot.
I hated your video. You are a cocky fuckstick and I don't think you're an "otaku" at all. Maybe in the way /a/ uses it. You seem like a fucking weeb to me.
>>>/a/

Promptly kill yourself.

I'm going to create a delusional world inside my head where /jp/ is filled with people who don't leave the house, and have no intention to work.

It's sad to see the real one fall so far from grace.

>>9247793

So much hatred... maybe everyone should just kill themselves, and the world would be a better place.

Wait a second, what am I saying?

>>9248284
u mad I called you out on your bullshit?

Social recluse here. Never went out for almost a year. Browsing /jp/ all day consists 80% of my wake-up time. I often just pass out and sleep or take many naps.

how can i get autism bux?

>>9249895
Through Google and lurking more.

>>9249895

Autism doesn't exist--it is entirely an avoidable behaviour pattern affected by choices and not a disorder.