/jp/ - Otaku Culture

You might say he was on edge

He sure gave his hard drive the shaft.

I dont have anything like that.
Also i would put on my sailor uniform and swing coconuts around like crazy

He tried to take a slice out of crime, forgetting that was the officer's job.

>>9022780
For this I suggest keeping your stash of illicit material on an USB drive with the case removed, and keeping a glass of water nearby.

When the cops knock at your door, you dip the drive on the glass. The drive is destroyed along with your stash, which you can later build up.

I don't have any childporn. I have a collection of evidence that the Holocaust didn't happen as advertised (saying so is illegal in my country), but I think that's legal to have as long as I don't post it online.
When I drive to Austria I have to make sure not to have any copies of Mein Kampf on my hard drive though, or it's up to 20 years of prison for me if the thought police finds out.

Can't they convict you for destroying potential evidence?

>>9022780
>What would you do if FBI or police raid your home for virtual child porn?
I feel like I'm the only person on /jp/ who doesn't actually have this.

If there was ever a reason for it, I would initially remove the torque screws from the HDD case and replace them with the equivalent sized cross or flat-head screws. Then I would keep the computer case open for easy access so that if the time comes, I'd just pull out the HDD, crack open the case, and start dragging a magnet across the platters.

That's about the only thing I can think of that would actually work

>>9022780

The FBI, once again keeping us safe from weeaboos in their underwear who have swords.

Thanks FBI, I just wouldn't feel safe without you busting people that look at pictures. Imagine if they looked at a picture of me, or a picture of my neighbor!

The horror!

>Five men and a 15-year-old youth have been arrested in East Renfrewshire and Glasgow after anti-Semitic remarks were posted on social network site Facebook.
>almost 50 police officers raided seven addresses after complaints from members of the Jewish community in Giffnock.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-18087379

What do you do if the police raid your home for evidence that you don't like jews?

>>9022816
...I wonder if i should hide my WW2 nazi medals, flags, helm, and luger better.

From many a /b/tarded cp discussion seen on /g/, I gather that if they have anything describable as a "warrant" with your name on it, you're already straight fucked, because they made a verifiable record of you personally downloading it. This is one of the many, many reasons why I don't leave my wi-fi open.

>>9022816
Sometimes I wonder if the people that think the internet is just facebook and youtube actually have brains. What kind of moron publicly attaches all their personal information to any comment?

Why are pedophiles always from Florida?

>>9022838
You should see the amount of arrests that have come from facebook and people admitting to crime there as if the cops wont do anything about it.

>>9022842
It's shaped like a penis

>>9022842
There's a lot of sects down there that are like Mormonism but not as successful

>>9022842
Oh and also there's apparently a law down there that says people can plink at you with rifles for looking black.
Should give you a sense for that state and how much fucking cocaine it apparently involves.

>>9022842
I hear Florida is full of gays, Jews and Cubans.

I was thinking of having a gun on my desk for these situations to end my life, but then I realized that if I'm going to kill myself I may as well pull everything else before I do. So I'd shoot the officers if I can somehow manage that.

If I was successful, I don't know what I'd do from there. Incapacitate them and use the time gained to destroy my data? Run, and live as a hobo, somehow thinking I can avoid their net?

Or I could just use truecrypt.

>>9022780
>Police in Tokyo are looking for a 30 year old businessman with a red ball-cap in Yokohama yesterday after he was seen in broad daylight talking to a 15 year high school student from East Tokyo high. Witnesses overheard the businessman saying while holding a mug with his own piss that it will turn him on so much if she drank it.
>The young girl was about to do so but then 2 Tokyo police officers patrolling the area saw the businessman and quickly rushed over to prevent what was happening and make an arrest when the businessman quickly made a superman pose, flew straight into the air, and defecated crayons.

What would you do if you a flying man shit crayons.

>>9022885
That's much better, it killed the entire flow without 'on'

>>9022802
Maybe you should, you know... Give child porn a try.

Faggot.

>>9022873
You can always tell when someone is visiting from /b/.

>>9022880
>durrcrypt
See my derp at >>9022837
Just don't go looking for actual kiddy porn in the first place

/b/ is known for being stupid, cp is one of the ways in which they are in fact stupid

>>9022837
Could you get the fuck out of here, please?

>>9022802

I like how Europe bitches about America, when you faggots don't even have free speech.

>>9022906
That sucks.

>>9022906
>durr
>derp
You too.

>>9022917
But they've proven they can't handle free speech.

If that region of the world was a single true nation-state instead of a set of ethno-nationalist mafias united by a banking treaty, free speech and other progress would be back on the menu for them. Right now, all they'd use it for is getting psyched up to murder each other (and other people who have nothing to do with it) again.

>>9022903
I haven't been on /b/ in years. Are they well familiar with all sorts of statistics and facts about Jews and homosexuals nowadays, or what are you getting at?

>>9022838
Social media is an absolute trove as long as people continue to remain unaware/refuse to entertain the notion that explicitly substantiated circumstantial claims, even through the internet, may be formally regarded. Jay-Qwan may posit that content he creates and maintains through facebook would never adequately serve to independently justify an allegation, which in itself is a sound proposition, but to willingly remain obtuse to the notion that the investigation would purposefully ignore ostentatious claims of criminal participation by mere essence of the medium would be an unfortunate assumption for the urban youth.

>>9022917
We bitch about you because it was you who bombed our cities, murdered us and took away our freedom just when we wrestled ourselves free from the Jew, and then you handed one half of Europe over to the Jewish commissars and the other half to the Jewish bankers. America is by far the greatest mistake Europe has ever created.

>seize his machine after an undercover agent downloaded horrific images and videos from the man’s computer via a file sharing service.

Sharing isn't caring my ass.

>>9022958
>>9022949
>>9022941
>>9022930
>>9022923
>>9022802

This is stupid, I WANNA TALK ABOUT VAGINAS!!!

>>9022958
xDDXDXD

So. I'd like to derail the hell out of this thread: Ask a forensic data analyst anything.

It's what I do for a living.

>>9022975
How do I get your job?

>>9022975
Yo, bitch, get over here and wax my jimmy xD

>>9022975
What kind of sword is best for deleting files?

>>9022978
Four years of comp sci at University of Waterloo, a year of data analysis, and then specialized courses in forensic data recovery to teach you how to use the specific machines occasionally (but not usually) involved.

Cryptography is actually totally unnecessary, that's a different department.

>>9022978
Not that guy but major in compsci for starters, then plan on working for lawyers.

>>9022986
Is Waterloo tough to get into? Also, I'm assuming if you actually went through graduating, it was a good program to go through.

>>9022979
Bite me.

>>9022985
A smelting pot +2.

Alternately, doing what the other person in the thread suggested and breaching the drive itself, then damaging (or shattering) the drives plates can make recovery highly unfeasible.

Truecrypt also only works if your entire boot system is located within the encrypted drive, if you encrypt it from OUTSIDE the drive, and if you make sure that you're NOT using windows 7 or vista. Drive-based encryption used by manufacturers is also easily defeated. Takes me ten minutes with a PCI-3000 (which is largely the cheapest hardware-based way of accessing drive firmware on most models) from most manufacturers.

>>9022837
Even if your wifi is open, aren't MAC addresses also taken into account? Aren't those trackable? For instance, someone connects to your wifi, downloads some CP, then goes home and connects to his normal network, won't they just track him by his MAC address?

>>9022996
Waterloo is moderately tough to get into. If you're Canadian and born before 1983 you could probably get into MIT easier because the "old system" gave you a +20% average score on your GPA based on the fact that the canadian education system at the advanced level was much harder than the american standard at the time. Now, waterloo and MIT would be about the same difficulty to get into in the computer science or hardware engineering field.

>>9022998
google it

>>9022998
Anybody with any talent and the right card can change their mac address. Despite this, the statement is true that if they have a warrant it means a judge has enough evidence to LAY CHARGES, but not necessarily pursue it to conviction. The reason they come into your home is to determine HOW guilty you are and of what specific crimes.

It is worth noting that they can convict you with the records that your ISP keeps of your data (which all major ISPs do) access, and using TOR is not always sufficient to keep you from being discovered. A lot of convictions from cases I've directly worked with have come more from someone hitting a honeypot or a compromised TOR/P2P node than the data on their harddisk.

>>9023007
I was looking for a simple yes or no answer. I'll pass on the Googling and reading up on something I don't have much interest in. Thanks.

>>9023005
'86
My grades were shit in high school. I made a lot of bad choices thinking that I would prefer another career altogether, but now I'm looking at computer science and thinking "why the fuck did I not follow through with that?"

I've been asking around and I can't seem to get a decent answer from anyone, so I guess I'll try and ask you: would a college-educated person have a decent chance of getting into Waterloo than someone with shit high school transcripts?

>>9022997
>Alternately, doing what the other person in the thread suggested and breaching the drive itself, then damaging (or shattering) the drives plates can make recovery highly unfeasible.
I like it when my ideas aren't totally retarded!

>>9023008
I see, thanks.

>>9023007
No thanks to this guy.

>>9023009
If someone does that and moves on, you are not likely to get caught. They MIGHT raid you and if they do, they'll give your harddrive to someone like me, I'll go over it with a fine tooth come and determine that all you've done for the past 5 years is download pictures of FlandreXSakuya and give you back your shit. Neither I nor the cops will apologize, though. And we WILL find that embarassing photo you thought you shift+deleted when you got drunk and left your webcam on six years ago.

>I like it when my ideas aren't totally retarded!
They are, Thad, they are. Even if they don't involve samurai swords, you WILL fuck up.

Just simply don't do illegal shit, morons. Jesus fuck.

>>9023011
Depends on what you plan on taking and in what direction. To be honest with the education system the way it is now, if you're desperate to get into Waterloo specifically, take some primer courses at a college level and you'll be WAY ahead of the guys coming out of high school especially if your grades reflect a level of skill. You'll also have the advantage of teachers who give a shit about whether or not you learn (possibly) which from my experience many of my HS teachers did not.

Unfortunately the magnet idea is not going to work in a lot of cases especially if you download a LOT of CP. Disks are stacked vertically and destroying SOME of the data or even scrambling it will not always prevent recovery. There are a number of ways we can recover scrambled data manually by determining how far a bit has moved, which bits have been moved, what sectors were damaged and then extrapolate from there. Recovered data in this way IS still admissable in court, much the same way partial DNA is.

Should've used me instead, man.

0/10 "holy fuck, who is this choadsmoker...oh. Oh, okay, never mind. Laame."

>>9023016
This is very, very true.

Aside from complete annihilation of the data density is high enough and the data is spread over enough of the drive, nothing less than grinding it to powder or melting it to a pile of slag is going to keep us from recovering it (if someone wants you in jail bad enough), and to top it off by the time they hand a drive to us for analysis, they usually have enough data (often several GB) from your ISP tagged with your name, download times, and whathaveyou.

They then give us this data (not the actual images) and we just connect the dots if we have to. Even if we get nothing, or very little... you'll always leave something behind and once that tenuous link gets made, there isn't a judge in the world that WONT throw the book at you from what I understand.

apparently from what I hear from the ACTUAL cops who work these cases (especially the RCMP) CP cases are easy convictions because of the charged nature of the crimes, and most of the time it doesn't go to full blown trial: Your life is gonna be shit enough as is, why take it to court? The best bet is to take a plea and be taken into protective custody so you don't die in prison, and the cops make that very clear when you're arrested.

>>9023023
THIS choadsmoker is bored.

>>9023028
IF the data density is high enough

>>9023020
Seen drives "destroyed" with thermite. With the exception of a slow-burn layer of thermite that liquifies the entire drive, very rarely is this successful and about 90% of the time incendiaries are used, they don't even breach the case and only damage the controller card and chips.

>>9023018
> take some primer courses at a college level and you'll be WAY ahead of the guys coming out of high school especially if your grades reflect a level of skill
The only viable option I have at the moment is signing up for computer programming and opting for some mathematics courses. I'm not certain if that would help.

Waterloo isn't my only choice, but it's pretty high on the list.

>Unfortunately the magnet idea is not going to work in a lot of cases especially if you download a LOT of CP. Disks are stacked vertically and destroying SOME of the data or even scrambling it will not always prevent recovery. There are a number of ways we can recover scrambled data manually by determining how far a bit has moved, which bits have been moved, what sectors were damaged and then extrapolate from there. Recovered data in this way IS still admissable in court, much the same way partial DNA is.
Sounds like a fun science experiment to try.

Okay, how do I destroy a hard drive to the point it's not recoverable manually?

>>9023036
Tried it/seen it before. Most successful attempts I've seen before involved a really creative system whereby the drive itself was filled with some kind of reactive fluid that completely destroyed the disks. The next most successful involved the guy being given nearly 15 minutes by the police before they managed to get into his home (somehow? They clearly were not doing their jobs.) and giving the guy time to pop the top of his drive, remove the drive plates PHYSICALLY with a screwdriver and insert them into an industrial blender. The result was powder (which they actually BROUGHT us to verify that it did indeed come from a harddrive. That's how destroyed these were.)

I wonder if bleach bit really permanently deletes all past deleted files to a point beyond recovery...

Even if it did, that wouldn't be of any use once officers came knocking at the door, because it takes way to long. Might as well take the screws out of your case so you can immediately open it, and when the time comes, throw it in a bucket of muriatic acid you have laying around.

I'm not sure if that would work, but, whatever.

>>9023045
Muriatic acid might work if you applied it to the actual drive plates... but popping the top on a drive damages it (often) beyond casual use anyway, so doing it in advance would render it unfeasible.

The most successful means of "getting away with it" (which is a misnomer as I stated before) would be using a system with NO physical HDD in it at all, with nothing but a copy of Linux installed on it on a 16 GB USB drive that you remove immediately after use. If the cops show up, yank the USB disk and the RAM chips and smash them to a fine paste with a good solid mallet. For bonus points, replace the stock HDD in the unit after.

>>9023043
I still want to try it myself just to see the results.
> The result was powder (which they actually BROUGHT us to verify that it did indeed come from a harddrive.)
Hilarious.

AFAIK destroying your hard drive will simply land you in jail for, you know, destroying evidence. I guess that kind of defeats the whole point then, unless you have something far worse than cp on your computer.

>>9023037
If you're dealing with a thumb drive or something of modest size I'd assume hiding it/inconspicuously displacing it so to negate ownership would be substantially easier. Proper disposal obviously requires time and equipment, elements which only favor the pressing investigation.

>>9023051
Oh, and be sure to run the USB flashdrive with no physical case on it. Remove the plastic cover the second you buy it, otherwise it might absorb some of the kinetic force and prevent you from rendering the flash drive completely unreadable.

>>9023053
It might land you 5 years in prison but if you're (theoretically) covered in every other way it would keep you off the sex offender registry. That registry is what (according to the police and RCMP) causes the heinously high suicide attempt rate in people charged with CP possession/distribution. Dunno why.

>>9023054
Depending on what you're being charged with, I've had CSIS bring us drives hidden in some craaaazy stuff before. Lamps, tables, speakers, console game units, books, stuffed animals, PEOPLE (in the case of one guy who swallowed his USB drive), clocks... One guy who was being charged with espionage as a member of some military contracting company came up with a REALLY slick system of remodelling the usb drive itself (which was a full-on SSD unit of ~120GB) to accept an ethernet cable, and replaced one of the preinstalled sockets in his suite with it. They STILL somehow found the drive, the cables AND the housings. It was pretty slick, actually.

>>9023057
If you are a registered sex offender you have trouble ever getting any job, even a minimum wage job. In addition, some states require that sex offenders have their addresses and other information be kept in publicly accessible records. Even if a convicted offender gets out of prison, they can expect to be harassed and unemployed the rest of their life.

One the subject of disk recovery, I've heard that overwriting the entire disk with arbitrary data (not something you can really do through an OS) a few dozen times can make it difficult to recover data. Is there any validity to this? What is the industry standard for this kind of thing? (ie what stops people from grabbing old drives out of the dumpsters near financial institutions, aside from the original data being encrypted?)

>>9023051
If you use an internet connection that isn't yours (e.g. stealing a neighbor's) and spoof your MAC address, then wouldn't it be virtually impossible to trace it back to you at this point?

Either way, that's a lot of work for porn. Seems kind of stupid that anyone would bother with this kind of thing anyway.

>>9023065
http://www.dban.org/

>>9023065
Deleting data only removes it from the file allocation table. The data can still be recovered easily. To erase the actual data it needs to be replaced with some other data, whether its done intentionally or not. As far as I know, multiple disk writes, either of 0, 1 or random, is not necessary. A single low level format is enough. I believe it was at one point able to recover data from a simple wipe with the residual magnetic field and thats why multiple writes have been recommended. With the high density disks of today, I dont believe this is an issue anymore, and with SSDs, its meaningless

>>9023051
Putting the stock HDD back in the drive? A little suspicious if the system event log shows no logins or activity despite ISP logs showing activity.

>>9023061
OK. Here's a question for you. I'm now starting in college. I'm hoping to start of with an associates degree of applied sciences. How difficult is it to learn console commands, like command prompt? How difficult is computer maintenance? COuld I pick it up easily? I finished basic computers, and yet I'm still scared to open my laptop for fear of breaking the plastic. How ahrd is networking? Sorry for all the questions. I love computers, I just don't know all of what I'm getting into.

>>9023089
You can always :
>"I'm not good with computer."
and feign ignorance.

>>9023092
Computer engineering, repair, and networking isnt difficult at all. However, I dont know anyone who does that who is afraid to pop open a tower. Computers are toys. You will never be good with them unless you play with them a lot.

>>9023105
Good point. Still,it's that first time nervousness. I still haven't managed to open one of my laptops fully, due to not having the right screwdrivers. I should probably buy a toolkit.
And industrial strength cleaner for all the semen clogging up the fan. Joking

/jp/ - registered sex offenders

http://www.thelocal.se/40842/20120515/

I'm glad I don't have any naughty stuff on my computer anymore.

>>9023110
>Associates
Nothing to worry about, they will probanly only get to "this is RAM"
Get a real degree.

>>9023119
Swedes being sensible? What the fuck?

>>9023092
Computers are just machines. You can repair machines if you break them. Don't worry. You just have to do it once and then you'll get the gist of it.
Networking is ok.

Just please don't go thinking that you will be sitting in front of a PC being a SUPER HACKER all day.
There will be books, and you will have to read and remember them. Some, and by some I mean the majority, of your courses will be theoretical, i.e. you won't even touch a computer.

>>9023127
I undestand that much. Super hacker would be boring anyway. As long as I can screw around with computers enough to make a decent living, I'd be fine. Here, have a Kasumi for your troubles.

>>9023092
There's really nothing complicated about the physical parts of a computer. Like the guy above said, they're just machines. Almost no different than a car. If there's a problem with either, someone should be able to see what the problem is and fix the problem.

I don't really do a lot of tinkering with software, but from what I've seen it's not so overly complicated that a person can't learn it.

I find np-hard problems fascinating.

wouldn't fucking the HDD with the power of electromagnetism be enough ?

>>9023135
When it comes to software I see a lot of misguided individuals who go into computer science simply because they have spent their whole life on a computer up until that point. They usually flunk out once they get to algorithms courses or automata theory courses.

I do not care about 3D child porn.

I care about whether my japanese cultural heritage would be deemed illegal by the FBI.

>>9023142
automata was near the end of comp sci for me. shit is completely useless along with 90% of the courses for people not interested in that aspect

>>9023142
What would you recommend for a person who's spent their life infront of a computer? Basically anything other than computer science?

>>9023142
It's funny because the ones who ace everything have usually also spent their whole lives on a computer.

computer science is heavy on math and theory. tons of people drop out in the 1st and 2nd year and the remnants usually go through with it to the end. my graduating class of 4 started with about 60. a lot of them went to comp engineering which is basically playing with legos

>>9023159
I recommend you try programming first. If you really enjoy it then try computer science.

>>9023160
If you dislike mathematics or programming I'd say truck driving.

>>9022799
I've washed USB drives with no ill effect before.

>>9023015
What if I encrypted my HDD?
What if I wipe free space every night at Gutmann level?

>>9022799
Why not just keep it on a microSD and hide it in blu-tack on a poster/swallow it/snap it?

That guy wasted his chance of committing sudoku.

>>9023092

You're going into a computing course in college and don't even know about computer hardware?

I've worked in IT for a year already and am going to college to do Computer Science soon and I'm concerned I'm not up to it.

I guess my problem is that I've done plenty of work with things like hardware, networking, Linux etc. but not much on the programming side of things, which I predict that course will heavily focus on. I'm not sure if I have the brain to handle or understand it, especially as it progressed to higher and more complex levels.

I dont see why those worried dont just run a live CD distro with an encrypted truecrypt hard drive, perhaps with a script which scrambles the ram once in a while or shuts down with an unrecognized facial recognition w/ web cam

Why are people worried though?

Are drawings illegal? Seems incredibly stupid to me and I don't understand how a charge for lewd drawings would hold up in court.

I mean, who is the victim here?

>>9023119
http://vimeo.com/2116397

>>9023245
In america, its a jury of your peers.
Take a moment and think of the bagger at the grocery store, the teenage girl at mcdonalds, a school teacher, construction worker, and businessman. Think about how much capacity for logic these people have. What exactly goes through their minds as they pray to god, think of their children, and watch their soap operas

don't use my waifu to shitpost

>>9023263
>>9023263

>Think about how much capacity for logic these people have

They might have a larger capacity for it then you, are you automatically smarter than every working man because you are a jobless slob living at your parents house?

I would agree that the vast majority of my "peers" don't even remotely have enough intellect to be casting judgement on others in a court system, but still, that superiority complex of yours is pretty damn strong.

Thermite prepare your hard drive.

Have a cyanide capsule ready or a gun loaded beside you at all times. They can't prosecute a dead man.

>>9023269
Superiority complex? He wasn't even talking about himself.

>>9023269
Sorry, but I dont fit in your generalized assumption. Still, the vast majority of people here are probably a lot more open minded than the public and furthermore dont really care what other peoples interests are, and wouldnt likely criticize or throw a fit because its not the same as their own. That kind of herd mentality thinking is dangerous for anyone who is an outlier, whether they are doing something completely innocent or not.

>>9023191
definitely the easiest way

Sankaku quality thread going on here, guys.
REPORTED

>>9023269
Having a superiority complex doesn't mean you can't be superior to your peers.

Get your faulty logic out of here.

>FBI

>virtual child porn

NO just NO

i'm seriously going to track you down and kill you if you keep using higurashi sprites to post tabloid shit