/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>pure little girls
>leg hair
Get out troll

>>8998069
that sounds so painful, why would you use that?

>>8998093
>>8998101
Nothing beats the smoothness of hairless.

>>8998101
Its somewhat uncomfortable but no pain, i have been epilating my legs since i was like 15.
That said i have a pretty expensive one now, and they are what you pay for.

>>8998119
are you a pretty trap?

hmmm I really like the ones with the dual spinny things. they hurt less imo.
I really wish i had one

zyzz was hairless, it ain't gay man

>>8998132
>zyzz
>not gay

>>8998120
..I'm actually a transsexual.

>>8998160
so, are you a pretty ``girl''?

>>8998160
I wish I had the courage for that. Now it is too late. I'm an ugly man, and I'd made an uglier woman.

>>8998069
http://www.amazon.com/Braun-SE-5180-Epilator-Glove/dp/B004QI271W/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=13367981
91&sr=8-8

I own this one, it works pretty well

Epilating is definitely worth it, now I don't have to hassle with shaving my legs or get those stupid little cuts on my knees

>>8998187
Can I lick your smooth legs and suck your cock, dude?

>>8998160

Is there actually a difference?

>>8998166
I would consider myself good looking, and i do get hit on by other men. But then again i do put a lot of work into looking good. But you kinda have to do that as a ts.

>>8998169
Its never to late to try and change your life and be happy, but age is a cruel thing for those who wish to change. Most times its only late in life people get the courage to start and then its too late if you want to look passable.

Thankfully my doctor and parents had me start at 16 after a lot of counseling.

>>8998192
I'd love it

<3

>>8998193
Yes. Traps "trap". They have penises and don't really mind having them.

Transsexuals truly wish to correct the symptoms caused by a genetic defect (incorrect chromosomal patterns). They would want to correct the genetic defect too, if they could.

The two groups look the same on the outside though.

>>8998193
Not him but the trap usually is not on HRT and crossdresses for fetish reasons or fun.
The trap is usually a lot more mentally stable as well.

>>8998193
>Is there actually a difference?

You could be a trap without being mentally ill. In practice, they always have issues of some kind, but it's not part of the definition.

It's like the difference between being a fursuiter and being otherkin.

>>8998204
actually some trans girls are ok with their bits. That was even reflected in the new DSM changes which broadened it out a bit.

>>8998204

Are you implying that simply wanting to be a girl, after being born a man, or vice versa, is actually a neurological disease, with known biomarkers?

That's some grade A pseudoscience there. I'd respect you if you just said "I don't like the term trap, I think it's derogatory". But seriously, you didn't have to spout out a bunch of bullshit.

>>8998210
>The trap is usually a lot more mentally stable as well.
That's not saying very much, though.

(There was a really hilarious interview I read with an ex-transsexual, who said one of the reasons he stopped was because he hated the way hormone therapy caused him to have mood swings and difficulty thinking clearly. I admit that until then I was skeptical, but it sounds like he really did turn into a woman!)

Can you epilate your balls?

>>8998210
>>8998216
>The trap is usually a lot more mentally stable as well.
True enough TS people tend to be kinda crazy, me as well to some degree although i got away easy when i look at other people like myself i have met.

Some people are nutbags. But i understand them.

>>8998187
Wow, still kind of expensive

>>8998225
How's it hanging cocksucker haven't spotted you posting in a while. Fancy some cocksucking?

>>8998198
I'll be 22 in a month, but I'm six feet tall with shoulders so wide I can't fit through doors. And massive feet. If I could be 12 again, my life would be so different.

I came out to my parents a year or so ago and their response was pretty simple. They told me that I was wrong and that I wanted to be a man, as if that was their decision to make (or my decision, for that matter).

>>8998220
Look up the DSM-IV. It is the manual used to diagnose and treat neurological disorders. Transgendered individuals have Gender Identity Disorder. "Traps" usually do not. Transvestites absolutely do not.

>>8998227
there's a cheaper one that's like $50, just look around

>>8998237
I was hoping there would be something usable for under $20, but I guess you have to pay for quality.

>>8998224
This is important.

>>8998249
You can, but I wouldn't recommend it. Yes, I tried.

>>8998224
>>8998249
I suppose if you stretched the skin and ran the epilator over it properly

I wouldn't though, I can't even do my armpits because they hurt too much

>>8998249
You can.
But i would seriously suggest that you dont unless you like a lot of pain.
A lot of pain. And blood.

>>8998234

Every version of the DSM is, and always has been, a book filled with bullshit, and pseudoscience. Something simply being in there, doesn't vouch for it's credibility, and even many psychiatrists themselves, have said that the DSM is bullshit. (How ironic right) They can take any "symptoms" they want, claim that they're caused by a neurological disease, and vote that "disease" it into existence, without any science being involved at all.

There is a fine line between neurological diseases, and "mental illness". A neurological disease is something like Alzheimers, epilepsy, narcolepsy, CJD, Huntingtons, meningitis, down syndrome, etc. A "mental illness", is bullshit like "ADD", "Oppositional defiant disorder", "Paraphillia NOS".

Sorry, but, go show me the biomarkers, indicating that wanting to become a different gender, is actually caused by a neurological disease.

Go to a neurologist, and ask for a physical test, (IE. a MRI, EEG, blood test, etc.) to test to prove whether or not you have "transgender disorder"... I bet he'll get quite a kick out of that.

>>8998252
>>8998253
>>8998255
Any suggestions? I've tweezed them before without issues, it's just a bother because it takes so long.

>>8998261
http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/131/12/3132.abstract

We had this argument earlier today. I'm guessing next you'll say this doesn't prove anything, since that's what happened last time

>>8998262
I tweeze too. I think that or a proper waxing are the only ways to do it because the skin is so stretchy or wrinkled.

>>8998262
Shave them, make sure to stretch the skin.
And go slow and carefully.

>>8998270
Tweezing is definitely better than shaving for balls

>>8998276
I've never told anyone, but I wish I could play with a /jp/er's balls. Roll them on my fingers, etc... I really love balls.

>>8998280
that's weird. Personally I hate them, I want them gone. The cock is fine, I can have fun with that. But balls are just an annoyance

>>8998265

>We PROPOSE that the sex reversal of the INAH3 in transsexual people is at least partly a marker of an early atypical sexual differentiation of the brain and that the changes in INAH3 and the BSTc MAY belong to a complex network that MAY structurally and functionally be related to gender identity.

>WE PROPOSE
>MAY
>MAY

May; 1.
(used to express possibility): It may rain.

So tell me again, what exactly does this prove, FUCKING NOTHING.

I could take a group of people, separate them by eye color, find similarities in the people with the same eye color, and say "this MAY indicate x". But it doesn't mean shit.

Come back when you can go to a neurologist, and get a physical test proving whether or not you have "transgender disorder".

>>8998265
>boys and girls have different bodies

Do we really need to have a debate over whether this is true?

>>8998287
we haven't proven the root cause of Alzheimers either, but that doesn't make it fictional

this is at least a path for future research

Some people willingly ignore the evidence in front of them because if conflicts with their world view. It is a sad effect, but it can't be helped.

>>8998303

Your mixing up the words biomarker, etiology, and cause.

You can get physical tests proving you have Alzheimers, you can clearly see brain damage from Alzheimers on a MRI, a very simple neurological exam can tell whether or not your brain is damaged, it's overtly obvious that you have a brain defect.

Even without physical tests, you could undoubtedly prove that it's a neurological disease, because the criterion of symptoms are without a doubt obviously a indication of a neurological disease. If someone goes bat-shit crazy, and soon loses all motor functions, you don't need a MRI to prove there is a neurological disease there.

What do you have though? It's just some guy, telling you that wanting to be a opposite gender in and of itself is a neurological disease, without any proof to verify that.

>>8998323

How about we go ahead and create a disease, just like the psychiatrists do, we'll go ahead and create "Denial saturation disorder", or "DSD".

Symptoms include...

I thought about using an epilator to keep my beard in check, has anyone tried?

>>8998332
>You can get physical tests proving you have Alzheimers, you can clearly see brain damage from Alzheimers on a MRI,

Right and I just gave you a peer reviewed article involving MRI results on trans and non-trans people

So how many more papers will change your mind? Because I'm betting it's an infinite amount since nothing will contradict your worldview that's it all made up

>>8998370
I had always heard you shouldn't use an epilator on your face

>>8998371
Even if someone else is wrong, you are wasting your time arguing. Don't let others make you miserable with their world views.

>>8998373
Me too but it makes no sense to me, it's just hair too so what's the difference?

I only heard one person ever talking from actual experience that they like it, everyone else keeps saying you -shouldn't- but I can't trust random opinions.

>>8998382
Well to be fair the people I've heard it from are trans and we have vested interest in not fucking up the facial hair follicles so they can be zapped with electrolysis

So I'm really sure

>>8998388
err, I meant I'm not really sure

>>8998371

Show me a test were they PROVE, that simply wanting to be a different gender, is a neurological disease with (a) biomarker(s).

I don't want them to say "may indicate", "might", or "maybe" anywhere on the paper when stating their "results".

How hard is that? (O ya it's impossible, because no study like that exists, and because wanting to be a different gender isn't a neurological disease, and claiming the contrary, is pseudoscience.)

>>8998379
He won't let you fuck him. No need to whiteknight.

>>8998395
>I don't want them to say "may indicate", "might", or "maybe" anywhere on the paper when stating their "results".

Stop playing semantic games, all scientists write like that.

You're worse than a creationist
>hurr durr they said might so it's all fake!!!

>>8998410

It's not semantics when it comes to shit like this, and no, not "all scientists" write like that, if they prove something, and verify it, they sure as hell will not be using weasel words.

>>8998427
>weasel words

uh-huh

WHO HOMU HERE

http://www.amazon.com/Philips-HP6576-60-Perfect-Epilator/dp/B005BOQHB6/ref=sr_1_8?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&
amp;qid=1336803158&sr=1-8

I'm thinking of getting this one because I saw it on Chisame's desk. Anyone else have it?

>>8998427
Studying the brain is still relatively new. If people were really interested in studying this there'd be more evidence. But for now it's the best to go on because it's a peer-reviewed study. It seems the only way you can disprove it is if you can find an article that says gender identity caused by something else.

If you don't want weasel words then read the article and looks at the statistics they put in to support their argument.

>>8998427
Except you can't really 'prove' things like associations when you take a sample from the population. You can at best acquire statistically significant results, but no matter how statistically significant those results are, you have not "proven" anything, you have just obtained evidence that supports a particular conclusion - evidence that is VERY LIKELY to be valid but could be completely screwed up simply due to random chance and variation. Life isn't like mathematics, you can't just write out proofs for things like this and say 'QED, we've proved it!'

It makes me upset that I love traps so much but most of them are just as mentally deranged if not moreso than actual women.
Actually feeds my misogyny, since mood swings and inability to think rationally are symptoms of female hormones.