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>>8647790
who are you quoting?

>>8647797

Some weeaboo who keeps insisting that japanese folded steel can cut through knights' warhammers.

He probably watched it from one of them gay animes like you all.

"knights" were just rogues in clad armor set on horses to redeem themselves in the name of Christ.

What could they do against branch that lives for honor and dedicate their lives for warfare and undying loyalty? Just a tough meat to cut that's all.

A trained samurai with a properly maintained katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.

>>8647815
if you have a problem with anime. take it to /a/.

Katanas have *bleeding" effect so they win.

>>8647824

Don't want to be that guy but not all Samurai were the honorable warriors we'd like to think of them sometimes, tbh the Samurai were not much different from their eastern counterparts the only difference is they didn't abuse religion for personal gains

>>8647824

>2012
>still thinking the code of Bushido actually existed before the 20th Century

Hell, this is one of the japanese words I actually know, and you know fuck shit about the topic surrounding it.

>>8647829

>mfw

>>8647832

Anime is but one of the contributing factors.

>>8647850
A gaijin such as yourself could never understand Bushido. I have lived with the Yamato people for many years and consider myself an honourable member of their race.

>>8647850
and now he's posting subhuman images...

MEEEEEEEEEIDOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Silly weeaboos don't know about my extra foot in height, thick as fuck armour, warhammer and assorted back-up weapons.

Let's not forget the training I've had since the age of 7, my trusty armoured warhorse, my near-fanatical devotion to my liege and my deep hatred of heretics such as the rock-worshipping Japanese.

That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.

Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.

Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.

Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:

(One-Handed Exotic Weapon)
1d12 Damage
19-20 x4 Crit
+2 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon)
2d10 Damage
17-20 x4 Crit
+5 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.

>>8647829

I

what

this is retarded, even by my standards.

>>8647882

>thinking the sharpness of the sword matters when some 6'5" armoured dude swings a warhammer at your paper armour

>>8647884
maybe that's the point

>>8647899
Samurai have a high speed ranking and could easily dodge a slow moving knight swinging a hammer.

>>8647882
>thrice as hard for that matter too

Diamond is the hardest thing. Know what it does? It shatters very easily.

There'd be, realistically, a 1 in a billion chance of the samurai slashing his sword at just the right angle as to cut through the broadsword/armour without an problem.

The sword will almost certainly shatter and the samurai will promptly empty his bowels before the warhammer rips his little yellow head off.

This has been discussed before many times, and yes, a samurai wouldn't stand a chance.

Now take it to >>>/k/. Or if your goal was to troll, go to >>>/a/. They're weeaboos so they'll no doubt respond with the reaction you seek.

stop this nerdy argument right now. it is pointless.

In general, the Samurai will have:

- Proficiency with a bow that the Knight does not.
- A much better education.

In general, the Knight will have:

- A larger and stronger build because of a better diet.
- Weapons and armor that aren't made of shit grade iron.
- Weapons and armor that are actually geared towards fighting armored opponents and not just peasants or poorly equipped ashigaru.

The Knight has the advantage in this matchup, although the Samurai has a fighting chance if he was a veteran of the Sengoku period + invasion of Korea and thereby had actual combat experience.

>>8647924

Knights are slow enough for you to run away from, but not slow enough for you to dodge. It isn't a fucking game. The warhammer brushes you even once, and you're dead.

>>8647939
I don't care about the other points, but where does the assumption that the knight has a better diet come from?

>/jp/ meetup

>>8647959

Knights have serfs to do all the farming, cooking and so on.

>>8647966
>/jp/ meetup

>>8647966
A la verga.

la mara anda suelta!! 13 for life.

>>8647959
Knights were wealthy and feasted often.

Besides that, Europeans are naturally taller than Japanese as well, so not only is the knight likely healthier, he's also taller and therefore has more leverage and reach.

>>8647790

Didn't they do samurai vs knight in shittiest warriors?

we need quality control.

>>8647959
Cultural anthropology.

Barring those instances of prolonged famine or plague that caused agricultural output to drop tremendously, the medieval man was comparatively well-fed if he wasn't stuck in serfdom or something similarly awful. In fact, if you compare the skeletons of an English yeoman of the 1400's to an English townsman of the 1800's, the yeoman (who isn't even a Knight) was notably taller and healthier.

>>8647999
You mean that merry tripfag we had?

>>8647971
>>8647983
>>8647986
>>8648017
Ah, I forgot. I was thinking Knights were the common rabble for some reason.

Samurai used long bows and knights had plate armor.

Of course the knight would win, unless the samurai was up in a castle.

>>8648043
But longbows rape knights dead.

>>8648052
Only if the Knight is wearing mail and not plate.

The whole reason why plate develops in the first place is as a response to the challenge presented by the longbow on the battlefield, and by the 15th century, the Knight has a suit of armor won't lose to a longbow barring bad luck. This is also why archers take to shooting at the Knight's horse rather than the Knight himself after the advent of plate.

Samurai wins guys, I saw it on deadliest warrior. They used science and biomedical engineering so you know it's legit.

Even dirty lowly ashigaru could beat highly trained knights with their superior weapons.

Knights 0
Ashigaru 1

I'm pretty sure a samurai could own a knight, draw out would be far more effective than battle skill in a 1 v 1 situation. Knights are slow and they're move range is complete ass with battle boots I'm sure they'd never touch a samurai who plays a good kiting game.

>>8648157
Yah, but samurai are all about buff moves, it would be hard to draw out, the knight could also get lucky and break his armor/weapon and lower his stats if he gets in the room for a single attack.
And we still don't know support moves, reaction moves, or secondary classes.
I think the samurai would at least be able to get away or lead the knight into a trap or ambush.

>>8648204

Assuming they were restricted to their class abilities, there's no possible way the samurai could lose, hell the knight would never even touch the samurai even if he got close with blade grasp. You can kiku from afar, haste, protect, and shell yourself, and you can heal up if he some how miraculously get's through the samurais evasion.

Pretty decisive if you ask me.

>>8648326
I haven't played Tactics in a while, but does Blade Grasp activate if struck from behind? Not likely to happen though, considering the speed and move disadvantage a knight has.

>>8647939
>invasion of Korea
Japan only invaded Korea on the 20th century, you are fucking retarded.

I can't believe people are really replying to this seriously.

>>8648353

it boosts evasion by your brave, so if you have 70 brave they won't have more than a 30% chance of hitting you, even if a character that attacks them has concentrate on which is supposed to give them 100% accuracy. It works from behind and works for almost all physical attacks, it's pretty broken and why it was removed from 1.3, the difficulty mod.

>>8648378
Okay, I'm starting to remember now. What if Knight have Monk's Brawler? Does Blade Grasp work on unarmed?

>>8648354
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_invasions_of_Korea_(1592%E2%80%931598)

Inb4 LOL I TROL U

>>8648389

Yep, nearly nothing physical goes through blade grasp, sans a few monster skills, and things that hit no matter what like draw out or holy sword skills.

>>8648353
Life is short.

>>8648418
Damn that's crazy. Well, I'm inspired enough to go find my copy of Tactics now.

>>8648424
I don't recommend a playing a modded rom anyways, all they do is take away the fun by making you grind more in a game that is already impossible to beat without at least a few random battles,

it's like putting a fucking difficulty mod on Devil survivor (unless you've actually memorized all of the best demons and even then those first army members w/ demons that only take hits of 100+ dmg will still probably fuck you over

>>8648460

Grinding in 1.3 is bad juju, as enemies always out level you, unless you want to go to 99, it's best to stay low for a while, much easier, they're equipment scales too while you're restricted to the shop unless you steal, so you might fuck yourself over and make things much harder for yourself.

All in all I think it does a good job of balancing the game, and preventing the use of a lot of tried and trusted, very broken strategies.

>>8648509
no more vanish dancers with ramza running around like a pussie as a mime?
also I might try it out then