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>>8228502

>>8228502
>>8228509
I haven't read it full but its probably Cage in Lunatic Runagate.

>>8228501
>To make those who cannot die question the meaning of living.
Wait, Eirin is immortal too?

>>8228501
Is this that faggot who keeps thinking that Yukari stole the sake as a threat instead of a mocking?

Bah, ignore him.

>>8228512
Didn't she make an immortality elixr? Can't see why she wouldn't take some herself?

>>8228513
moonbitch fan detected.

>>8228514
Not even close. Piss off, you won't force your fanoncrap into Yukari's perfectly elegant way of life.

>>8228512
>>8228502

Yeah, last chapter of Cage in Lunatic Runagate.

>>8228514
Theres a lot of reasons not to take it, especially if you're a moonie already.

>>8228513
>Yukari
Wait what? I thought Yuyu stole it.

>>8228517
Let me guess, you discredit Bougetsushou because it contains content you don't liiiike

Grow up kid.

>>8228525
No, I'm defending the content the content that is in it.

>>8228513
Not the same thing as in that thread.

That dialogue is directed to Eirin, not the moonbitches, relax.

>>8228513

It was clearly a threat.

>>8228528
Sure looks like you're ignoring the facts, the way its worded is a threat.

>>8228531
How so? You can't threat those whom are much stronger than you and have beaten you previously, SSiB revealed at the end that the whole plot was all about Yukari mocking the sisters, of course, people always take the worse end of things to their preference.

>>8228532
Eh, he's referring to the claim than an anon was constantly making in the Toyohime thread, he's referring to the moonbitches.

>>8228533
>How so? You can't threat those whom are much stronger than you

Oh boy here we go again, its you again, sperking just like last time.

"Bah, ignore him"

>>8228529
My bad then.

It is starting to get fishy though.

>>8228535
Thank you for not refuting my post at all.

>>8228524
Yuyuko took it because Yuyu wanted some anyway. They couldn't find anything else worthwhile to sneak off with.
When they showed it to Yukari, she said something along the implication of "This is even better than expected" because if they drank it all, they couldn't come get it back.

There was really nothing menacing in SSiB, aside from normal Yukari shenanigans.

>>8228533

Yukari showed them they can get into the capital.

This time they stole some booze.

Next time they can slaughter civilians.

>>8228546
Eirin doesn't seem to take it as such.

>>8228549
Like I said, there was nothing menacing in SSiB.

Cage in Lunatic Runagate is a completely different perspective of the story.

Holy shit what

I knew it was just as planned, but

It was just as planned JUST AS PLANNED?

>>8228547
>showed them they can get into the capital.

They already knew that, they used the same pathway that reveals that the Lunar capital in a specific time. What they did was distract them with the Reimu crew thinking that was the real invasion, then mocked them by stealing the sake bottle.

>>8228547
I can't wait for th13.2 when Eirin retaliates only to find that Yukari is the stage 1 boss and there is no stage 2.

Here, have this interesting quote of Renko in Magical Astronomy because it seems related to Yukari and the moon people.

>“The elixir of life? Of course I’d use it. Do you know why in stories and such ageless immortality is portrayed as an emotionally painful thing? It was just a warning against everyone’s greed and rebellion against authority. But on the other hand, its mere existence has become a curse. Ageless immortality doesn’t mean that you don’t die, but rather that the boundary between life and death ceases to exist; it’s a state of neither living nor dying. Really, it’s just a realization of “necrophantasia”, a world that exists in the apparent world and in the world of the dead.”

What exactly did ZUN hint at with this? Perhaps that Yukari already achieved this state without even needing the elixir?

Granted, it's just wild guessing because of song names, but it would certainly give her a lot of reasons to mock or scare the lunarians.

>>8228547
>showed them they can get into the capital.

They already knew that, they used the same pathway that reveals that the Lunar capital is accesible in a specific time. What they did was distract them with the Reimu crew thinking that was the real invasion, then mocked them by stealing the sake bottle.

There are two things I hate about SSiB.

First is making the Lunar Capital an incredibly boring place.

Second is making all lunarians except Watatsukis look like incompetent idiots.

>>8228556
It's probably Yukari meta-trolling again.

>>8228558
I can only say that it further serves as a contrast to the Watatsukis' power, that or just plain literary protagonist effect.

>>8228556
Or, he was referencing her for the laughs, maybe.

Remember that all of the fantasy creatures in Gensokyo are built off myths and references.

>>8228557

They thought it's absolutely impossible anyone from Earth could actually break into the capital.

They were proven wrong. And it shook them to the point Eirin (who is many times older and more experienced than moonbitches) reacted like this:

>That ominous smile left a deep scar in her mind, something she would never be able to forgot.

>>8228556
>Perhaps that Yukari already achieved this state without even needing the elixir?
vague_touhou_powers.cfg

>>8228558
>Second is making all lunarians except Watatsukis look like incompetent idiots.
The rabbits were kind of useless though, though somehow they fought off the outside world?
I wonder if that means "The rabbits banded together and fought strongly" or "Rabbit decoys while moonbitch godhax".
Is that all the lunarians are? Just rabbits?
Sounds like a terrible place to try and rule.

>>8228572
>They thought it's absolutely impossible anyone from Earth could actually break into the capital.

That's not quite true, look at the Reimu crew, Eirin already knew about the ship beforehand.

What did surprise her was the sneak in by Yuyu, it was part of Yukari's plan to distract her and the Lunarians with the ship while they pointed and laughed.

>>8228591

They have no idea who and how sneaked in. They were stunned just like Eirin was she she tasted the booze.

It's like if a russian tank suddenly popped out next to Pentagon in the middle of Cold War.

>>8228597
...That's what I'm saying.

>"Youmuuuu! Are the dumplings ready yeeeeet?"

Oh wow.

And I thought this Yuyucow thing was just fanmade crap...

>>8228573
>vague_touhou_powers.cfg
Shouldn't even have anything to do with powerlevel bullshit. Maybe she got lucky and realized it randomly?

The elixir made an average human immortal as well. Assuming that Renko is correct about her theory then I'd imagine that the elixir is simply something that alters your mind for a short moment to realize that certain state and gain immortality. Would explain why there is no "cure" as well.

>>8228605
Did you never play IN? That's where it originally came from.

Most fanon fads start off based something in canon.

A problem with powerlevels is that people tend to take the little phrase that mentions a character's ability a bit too literal and meta, ZUN's stated some limitations beforehand (Spellcard draft in PMiSS, Keine's profile in IN) so you can't be sure what characters can fully do until you've seen it.

>>8228619
The spellcard draft is a limiter for their powers in duels, so whatever is seen in a spellcard could be assumed to be a weaker version than what they're capable of.

>>8228608
I kinda like that idea behind it, but it also brings up questions like why theres no way to teach it, or attain it through enlightenment through martial arts or piety.

>>8228635
I can only figure because conventional methods are incapable of achieving perfection, so you have to find some workaround, much like how reaching the speed of light with a mass by conventional means is impossible so you have to work around it.

>>8228635
>so whatever is seen in a spellcard could be assumed to be a weaker version than what they're capable of.

Yes, but the abilities don't exactly relate to ''shooting bullets''. One's spellcards are a reflection of one's abilities as shown in the books, we don't really know much about how the characters do their real powers nor how much they can use it in the sense of the word, we can only base ourselves on what's written, and some Touhous get more description of their abilities than others that specifies things more so than one would assume from just reading the name of their ability, like Yukari and Reimu. Others like Keine get the inverse treatment and their abilities are shown to not be as concept-based as one may think (she can't really destroy history like people think, only hide it and create it).

>>8228644
Would make sense, but it could seem in a way that it half-kills you, sort of like throwing you into purgatory with a physical form. Which could result in some very myon things happening with imperfect elixirs or methods.

>>8228646
True, another problem is that zun likes to write from the perspectives of various characters, so its difficult to tell if this is solid word from the author or character exaggeration. Certainly in-game dialogue should be taken (very) lightly, but things like PMiSS are hard to ignore even if its from Akyuu's perspective.

After finally sitting down and cranking through CiLR, this whole thing was clearly a colossal "Fuck You" from Yukari to the Moonbitches, and Eirin in particular.

Its a psychological attack, stealing the sake and having Eirin drink it is an insult in itself, but the psychological warfare element is the fact that Eirin has absolutely no idea how Yukari got the sake.

And thats the critical element, "We can jack your shit and you cant stop us." might sound minor when its just a bottle of sake, but for a society completely obsessed with purity (And whose society depends on maintaining that purity) its a major blow. The moon is supposed to be perfect, and here's Yukari lording their flawed defense over them.
Zun deliberately states (Through Eirin in chapter 3) that probability states that anything with a nonzero probability is inevitable in the long run.

The reason Eirin shit herself at the end of CiLR is that she realized that whatever pretense of perfection the moon had is incomplete; an imperfect defense means that somewhere down the line, impurities will (And for all she knows, may already have) compromise the moon, leading to its downfall.

So yeah, its a gigantic fuck you to all the moonbitches superiority complex.

>>8228513
No, that was me.

Oh boy, the Moonfags vs Yukarifags debate has awakened from its slumber! This is so exciting!

>>8229511
Additionally, this quote from chapter 1 caught my eye:
>The two princesses were my distant relatives. To put it in human terms, one was the wife of a grandnephew of mine, while the other was married to the son of another grandnephew.
Heterosexual marriage? In my canon?
Zun did mention in an interview that the fanbase was for the most part dead wrong about the characters relationships.
Not that this passage would phase folks, anyone who would claim a Watatsuki for a waifu must be scum anyway.

>>8229539
Duh, Seiga has also been married, there are men in the Human Village and Reimu and Marisa probably have boyfriends.

Implying this will stop yuri/rape/futa doujins

>>8228512
Lunarians, being so-called perfect, do not die normally.
However, they do die if they are killed.
So, not like Kaguya who just respawns after being killed, but Eirin will not die of old age.

>>8229511
Exactly. Now try explaining that to the guy who thinks stealing sake isn't warfare tactics for Yukari.

>>8229539

I'd marry Toyohime and day. Yorihime can go suck nigger dicks tho.

Anyways, them being married is a fact known for years. But their husbands don't live in their house. Maybe they got divorced or something. Or lunarians don't give a shit about marriage, they live for thousands of years after all.

>>8229543

Males are insignificant anyway. Even male gods are female in touhou.

Males are just for ploughing fields, cooking and breeding.

>>8229543
>probably have boyfriends
Which is why they spend all their time doing nothing at the shrine, gotcha.

>>8229543
>boyfriend
Shrine maidens are all virgins. Marisa has a taste for Alice's vag.

>>8228558
>all lunarians except Watatsukis look like incompetent idiots

We don't even really SEE other lunarians (except those guys at the gate for few panels).

We see moon rabbits, which, in fact, are and are supposed to be incompetent idiots.

>>8228605
>And I thought this Yuyucow thing was just fanmade crap...

Source material invariably holds many surprised for people like you.

Touhou fanfics love to go overboard. But they rarely ever actually make stuff up.

>>8229638
Right.

>>8229638
>But they rarely ever actually make stuff up.

>>8229638
I was initially going to argue otherwise, but a lot of memes exist just because some circle did a particularly memorable or hilarious work.

Actual "fanon" characterizations do usually tend to have basis in reality, though.

>>8229543
>boyfriends

Think about it for a while. There is no way youkai have boyfriends. When it comes to humans, they are all total weirdos in the eyes of normal humans. They are friends with youkai, live in creepy places full of youkai and away from the village and are generally youkai like humans.

>>8230063
Seiga is not a youkai, you nincompoop.

>>8229609
>Shrine maidens are all virgins.

That is not necessarily true.

However, Reimu and Marisa having boyfriends is bogus. No one, except youkai visit Reimu's shrine.

How's stealing shit from moonbitches a threat?
That's like Bilbo stealing something from Smaug's pile of loot means that Bilbo can easily kill Smaug.

>>8229544
>However, they do die if they are killed.
Fascinating. Please, tell me more.

>>8230072

She's one of the very few touhous who could have a boyfriend.

But Reimu, Marisa, Sanae, Sakuya or Youmu? Impossible.

>>8230078
>That's like Bilbo stealing something from Smaug's pile of loot means that Bilbo can easily kill Smaug.
You just defeated your own point. Did Smaug lie back and think, "Well done, fatty. Well done." No, he flipped out and set fire to a town. It led directly to his death, in fact.

>>8230078
More like Frodo getting inside Mordor to destroy the One Ring. Can Frodo beat Sauron in combat? No. Can he fuck his shit up? Yes.

>>8229544
>So, not like Kaguya who just respawns after being killed
This... This got me thinking. You know how Mokou kept going pichuu~n and respawning in IN after you defeat her spells? Did... did they actually kept killing her? As in actual murder? I mean, that's not what usually happens in spell breaks, right?

>>8229543
>Reimu and Marisa probably have boyfriends.
Unlikely. Reimu spends ridiculous amount of time surrounded by youkai that any sane person wouldn't even think about getting near her, let alone romancing her. Same with Marisa. She's probably known around the village as that one creepy witch who lives alone in the forest. Noone in their right mind (in-universe anyway) would bother getting close with her.

>>8229548
It's probably just one of those political marriages anyway. I'm not saying that hetero relations don't exist in Gensokyo, it's just for their particular case their marriage is probably based on social status than love.

>>8230080
>Sanae
Way to shoot your own argument in the foot, Bob

>>8230087
>Did... did they actually keep killing her? As in actual murder?

From the script, translated from en.touhouwiki:

Reimu: I don't quite get it. If she's the sort that can't die, I can go all-out on her, right?
Yukari: More or less. Seems invincibility is her pride and joy.
Mokou: If you don't try your best, it'll be "game over" for you.

Looks like Reimu actually killed Mokou. Huh.

>>8230084
I think it's more like Frodo sneaking into Barad-Dur and stealing Sauron's basement keys, then sitting in a corner and giggling to himself, thinking what a great mastermind he is.
Doing something difficult, yet irrelevant and pointless.

>>8230077
It's not like she can't have a youkai boyfriend.

>>8230108
Refer to OP.

>>8230108
This analogy was unfortunate from the very beginning.

>>8230090

She complain that she don't have any human friends all the time.

>>8230125
Cock-gobbling sluts rarely do.

Did I hear murder?

>>8230125
Which is exactly why she's perpetually smothered in youkai cocks (and cloaca and etc)

>>8230097
Huh indeed. And Reimu just acts as if nothing happened after committing multiple manslaughter. I-I think I'm afraid of Reimu now...

>>8230157
Well, even if Reimu killed Mokou, was it really manslaughter? After all, they both agreed to the duel knowing Mokou is incapable of death (at least in the permanent sense).

>>8230157
[o][u][b]Reimu didn't kill anyone

>>8230164
ohai, this isnt 2007 anymore

>>8230167
Might be a good idea to not use trips when samefagging.

>>8230171
nope, it's intentional

>>8230177
Leave this place and never return.

>>8230184
You tell 'im bro.

>>8230184
I'll get my smelling salts to erect a ward of defense against this vile intruder

Lent me your power sages of /jp/

If ZUN makes a hetero relation between Rinnosuke and a heroine (Reimu/Marisa), will the fans go raging or they regard the only male char as acceptable to be a hero now ?

>>8230228
Irrelevant because he'd never do that.
Just because there's only one popular male character doesn't mean he's going to be shoehorned into a relationship.

>>8230237
That may be true with canon but we all know in every fanons, he is put into any relationship with any touhou. I just wonder with that large amount of Rinnosuke fanworks, can he be acceptable (by fans) to be in a relationship with a touhou ? (regardless what ZUN thinking)

>>8230228

Kourin could never be a hero since males can't into magic.

>>8230243
>large amount of Rinnosuke fanworks

What?

Futa, yuri, even faceless villagers get more than him.

>>8230244
Cite.

>>8230248

You ever saw male do anything significant in Touhou?

Hell, even male gods and historic figures are turned into girls.

If you think Tenma or Tsukuyomi are male you are wrong.

And ZUN stated once that males can't use high level magic.

>>8230247
>even faceless villagers
ESPECIALLY faceless villagers.

>>8230274
>And ZUN stated once that males can't use high level magic.

But isn't Youmu's father, like, 100 times stronger than her?

>>8230284

Nothing like that was ever stated anywhere.

>>8230247
Self proclaimed master of solo play.

>>8230274
Not proof, not proof, pure speculation, and a reiteration of what I asked you to cite. Thanks.

>>8230278
Don't forget sinsacks. They get more action than anyone else, apparently.

>>8230284
Sword skill-wise, sure, why not. Magic? Eh. Up to debates, I guess.

>>8230274
>And ZUN stated once that males can't use high level magic.
Citation needed. Everyone can just say ZUN said this, ZUN said that. Don't stoop down to /a/'s level.

>>8230237
>Irrelevant because he'd never do that.
You sound anally frustrated at the idea of penii in your Touhou. That alone should tell you that, should ZUN ever be foolish to hook Rinnosuke with a heroine, his fans would fucking lose it. There would be rioting in basements everywhere.

>>8230313

I don't know, I think that might be a leaving-the-basement level crisis.

>>8230313
Oh absolutely. Indeed, I would probably have a minor aneurysm.
Though I (at least partly) meant that ZUN wouldn't do it because the only reason to do so would still be fanwankery, and ZUN is better than that.

>>8230284
>Youki Konpaku, the former gardener, had been the one for about 300 years, but suddenly became a hermit after having made a very young Youmu his successor. Youmu's ability of swordsmanship has still been in progress, so she needs daily practice. Though Youmu herself has no clue where her master is, she thinks of her master's absence as a lesson from him.

It only say that her swordsmanship training wasn't finished by the time he left.

>>8230300
You're welcome.

>>8230300
>Not proof, not proof,

You are saying any male ever did anything important? Give me a single example.

Half of the gods summoned in SSiB should be male, they were all girls. Suwako, Miko and many more characters should be male. It's an obvious proof that everybody important in touhou is a girl.

Has Youki even been mentioned in any kind of canon or was he created from a random ZUN comment or something?

>>8230328
Why don't you read for yourself and gain wisdom?
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Youki_Konpaku

>>8230332
No I'm saying that lack of males doesn't prove they can't do magic. All it says is that ZUN likes girl characters. If he made a male final boss tomorrow it wouldn't contradict anything.

>>8230341
No proof, just such overwhelming statistical evidence that people assume it's true until proven otherwise.

>>8230346
Nope,
>All it says is that ZUN likes girl characters.

Stop trying to reify everything in Touhou. Many things have no explanation.

>>8230359
What ZUN likes dictates what Gensokyo is, so if ZUN decides against including any powerful males in Touhou Project, then they don't and won't and can't exist.

>>8230369
Or do exist are aren't mentioned.

>>8230374
Maybe Remilia has a third sister in the attic that nobody ever talks about, but most people assume she doesn't.

>>8230374

Yet none of them ever did anything significant enough to be ever mentioned?

Even is Akyu's chronicles?

Look at Hijiris. Brother was a normal monk. He died. End of story. Meanwhile his sister became a powerful magician, lived for centuries and created her own faction.

>>8230369
>won't and can't
I'm sorry that your brain doesn't work right. I'll let it go. Good luck in the future.

Didn't Ten Desires teach you guys anything?

1. Every powerful, interesting and relevant person in Gensokyo is female.
2. If a powerful, interesting and relevant male makes his way to Gensokyo, see point 1.

>>8230374
When suggesting that things never even touched on by the author are occurring within fictional works the burden of proof lies with you, not us. We don't need to prove that something that has never been observed in Touhou canon isn't there, you need to prove that it is.

>>8230464
I'm sorry you're a stupid fucking cunt, but hey, no worries. It can't be helped.

>>8230481
>>8230464
Reading this back and forth you idiots are doing is like listening to religious fundamentalists debate. How did this thread become so shitty?

>>8230494
I'm sorry for failing to meet your standards, oh most high and honored thread quality arbiter.

There are no strong men in Gensokyo because those all go to Valhalla.
The males in Gensokyo are just the ones who were kicked out of Valhalla for being worthless.

>>8230097
>>8230157
It's sarcasm people, it's impossible to kill someone in a spellcard fight, especially humans, if you read all of the border team's IN dialogue you'd realize they're the snarkiest couple.

>>8229511
Nobody disagreed with that.

The point of the thread derailed to the previous Moonbitches one, where an anon claimed that Yukari could easily take down the sisters.

>>8231215
Fair enough. I never saw the previous thread, and while I think the the significance of stealing the sake is far greater than most people think, it is not the case that Yukari is suddenly able to take down the sisters.

Its a threat that the moon's power will not last forever, not that Yukari is suddenly gonna pop in and rape everybody without issue.

>>8230512
Make it canon, ZUN!