/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Maybe except FSN which was a shitty harem-shounen show with incredibly stupid schoolboy protagonist.

Type-Moon is a diverse, complex, and interesting universe and Nasu will never write another story about it after Mahoyoru

>>7642671
And here we go again. Because we didn't have enough FSN bashing already.

>>7642671
>show
Wrong medium there buddy.

>>7642678
>Type-Moon is a diverse, complex, and interesting universe

This, basically. Nasu has a killer collection of concepts, even if his own exploration of them leaves something to be desired. Few properties trigger a "what would I do in this situation" moment in me as easily as Nasuverse.

>>>/2008/

Didn't release shit in 6 years.
The "diverse, complex, and interesting universe" is barely used in the games themselves.
And you'd have to tell me what is so interesting about it, you guys probably think Index has a good setting too.

Tsukihime > KnK > FSN.
Arcueid > Shiki > Rider.

I've only seen/read KnK from Type Moon so far. Everything else seems shit compared to it. Still going to start the Tsukihime VN soon.

>>7642685
Honestly, it's nothing new. It bears striking similarities with other sci-fi/fantasy universes.

>>7642703

>>7642691

>The "diverse, complex, and interesting universe" is barely used in the games themselves.

No less than four unique vampires appear across the Tsukihime side, and I've never even heard of a series that uses ancient heroes ala Herakles and King Arthur and then has them fight each other.

We see magi across the Fate side and a bit in KnK. At the finale of Fate/Stay Night (HF climax), we even bore witness to sorceries, which were subtly hyped up throughout the VN.


He shows us quite a bit and also leaves tantalizing notes that we've not seen even half of the entire thing, like a good world maker.

Even if he's an extreme procrastinator, he DID intend to make a Tsukihime 2.

>>7642691
>And you'd have to tell me what is so interesting about it, you guys probably think Index has a good setting too.

TM is much better than Index, newfag.

Magic school in London
VAMPIRES
Magical weapons
HOLY FUCK THE EARTH HATES HUMAN

Yeah, really original and complex

>>7642725
What about fucking King Arthur and Earth itself?

>>7642725

>Magic school in London

More like "magic everywhere in this bitch, with HQ in London"

>VAMPIRES

Unique vampires that do not sparkle ever.

>Magical weapons

Either literally magic weapons from the hoary mists of yore itself, or just a magic wand (shaped like a gun or sword) for a magician.

>HOLY FUCK THE EARTH HATES HUMAN

Even this dynamic is unique, Gaia doesn't just want humans to fuck off and die.
Gaia seems to care about humans (otherwise Primate Murder would just run wild), but recognizes them as a danger and is somewhat afraid of them (which is why Primate Murder exists at all).

>>7642736
>More like "magic everywhere in this bitch, with HQ in London"
The "important" magic school is still in London

>Unique vampires that do not sparkle ever.
Twilight didn't invent vampires

>Either literally magic weapons from the hoary mists of yore itself, or just a magic wand (shaped like a gun or sword) for a magician.
Yeah magic weapons

>Even this dynamic is unique, Gaia doesn't just want humans to fuck off and die.
Fanfiction bullshit, there is nothing elaborated about this.

>>7642746
>The "important" magic school is still in London

The Mage’s Association is divided into three main branches: Clock Tower, Atlas and the Sea of Estray. At least learn something about TM before posting and being stupid.

>>7642749
I'm saying important as the only one that appear in a game you fucking retard.
The London one appears in FHA, you probably don't know this with all your second hand knowledge though.

Why so WHERE IS MY FUCKING SACCHIN ROUTE?! GODDAMN NASU GET YOUR FUCKING ASS UP AND WRITE IT INSTEAD OF DOING ANYTHING ELSE.

>>7642736
>More like "magic everywhere in this bitch, with HQ in London"
And? London is still the center of it all, or at least a very famous and integral part of it.

>Unique vampires that do not sparkle ever.
Unique how? Even Alucard is more unique than the pseudo-vampires in TM.

>Either literally magic weapons from the hoary mists of yore itself, or just a magic wand (shaped like a gun or sword) for a magician.
Um... are you proving his point?

>Even this dynamic is unique, Gaia doesn't just want humans to fuck off and die.
Gaia doesn't want humans to 'fuck off and die' because humans are a part of Gaia. Humans are similar to cancer and at the end of the day, Gaia still hates them. A slight twist on an old cliche probably, but the core concepts are the same.

>>7642746

>The "important" magic school is still in London

The Clock Tower is just the big one of three, with the other two being the Sea of Estray (no fixed location) and Atlas (Egypt).

>Twilight didn't invent vampires

I don't remember anyone inventing a vampire who was literally a cloud of rumors.

>Yeah magic weapons

I for one cheer whenever I see Gae Bulga used in proper context of Cuchulainn or Scathach.

Plus magic guns are just plain cool.

>Fanfiction bullshit, there is nothing elaborated about this.

Oh fine. But the Earth doesn't attempt to obliterate humanity until Earth itself dies (and it calls out to the other planets to do it instead).

This earth thing is just Notes, right?

>>7642757

>And? London is still the center of it all, or at least a very famous and integral part of it.

And? I honestly don't know many things with "magic schools in London" so I don't see how this is ultra-generic anyway.

>Unique how? Even Alucard is more unique than the pseudo-vampires in TM.

Never heard of a vampire who was more like a padlock, myself.
Vampire who is a chaotic invincible soup of souls? Wait, that's in the Nasuverse too!
Admittedly Nrvnqsr is probably a homage to Alucard.

>Um... are you proving his point?

If you're complaining about magic weapons in a setting with magic, you should kill yourself with magic lasers.

>Gaia doesn't want humans to 'fuck off and die' because humans are a part of Gaia. Humans are similar to cancer and at the end of the day, Gaia still hates them. A slight twist on an old cliche probably, but the core concepts are the same.

Well it's because humans are apparently unnatural, not just "HUU-MANN USURP NATURE'S PURITY MUST DESTROY". Gaia hates humans for their threat to its own survival, not just for environment's sake.

Only thing like that I've seen was Final Fantasy VII and the WEAPONs, but then anything that appeared in FFVII is "mainstream cliche bullshit" of course.

>>7642764

4/5ths Notes, 1/5th Tsukihime.
Arcueid mumbles about it when she's ranting to Shiki (who doesn't pay attention).

>>7642768
>Only thing like that I've seen was Final Fantasy VII and the WEAPONs
>honestly don't know many things with "magic schools in London" so I don't see how this is ultra-generic anyway.
The earth vs humans theme and the magic school in London are cliché among clichés.
Your lack of general knowledge isn't an excuse

>>7642773

>The earth vs humans theme

This is common, but usually just nature deciding humans have GONE TOO FAR blah blah blah.
Not that humans are literally going to kill the planet.

>and the magic school in London are cliché among clichés.

Please list more examples of magic London schools.

>>7642768
>And?
And a lot of fantasy settings have a main branch of magic being situated in London. Mostly short novellas though.

>Admittedly Nrvnqsr is probably a homage to Alucard.
The point is that Nasuverse vampires are less like vampires and more of an amalgamation of different concepts piled on top of the bare minimum requirement of being a vampire. It's nothing special; unique maybe, but certainly not genius or impressive.

>If you're complaining about magic weapons in a setting with magic
Nope, just that it's nothing special. Not sure why you're so defensive over this.

>Gaia hates humans for their threat to its own survival, not just for environment's sake.
Except the environment is part of Gaia so it is looking out for itself.

>"HUU-MANN USURP NATURE'S PURITY MUST DESTROY".
No, that's pretty much it. If human's weren't part of Gaia, they'd be wiped out as well. At least learn the lore before you speak of it.

The problem with Tsukihime and FSN is that their scales are too small.
That's why the setting is badly used, everything is just very local, both of them don't use the setting at its maximum.

If you have a big interesting setting, make use of it. Stuffs like Muramasa, Baldr Sky or Rewrite for something recent did it.

>>7642783

>The point is that Nasuverse vampires are less like vampires and more of an amalgamation of different concepts piled on top of the bare minimum requirement of being a vampire.

Actually that's only for the really old vampires.

They were normal sun-hating blood-sucking religious-weak vampires (like Satsuki) in ages past, but they develop strangely over the centuries.

Except for Nrvnqsr or TATARI who are weird from the start.

>>7642783
>The point is that Nasuverse vampires are less like vampires and more of an amalgamation of different concepts piled on top of the bare minimum requirement of being a vampire

But you can say the same for other vampires in anime/manga settings. For example, in JoJo. The Pillar Men are stated to be a vampires too, yet they hardly have any vampire characteristic aside from being weak to sunlight. You're just nitpicking.

>>7642759
>I don't remember anyone inventing a vampire who was literally a cloud of rumors.
Persona 2 sort of, although that was a killer.

>>7642809
>You're just nitpicking.
Nope. The claim was that the Vampires in TM are unique and that's why they are good. I'm stating that is simply wrong as throwing together concepts haphazardly does not necessarily make it good. Like I said, original maybe, but that's not always a positive.
You're just defending it mercilessly with bias.

>>7642757
>And? London is still the center of it all, or at least a very famous and integral part of it.

No, it's not. The Clock Tower has been pretty much irrelevant in every story thus far. Melty Blood is all about the Atlas, which doesn't get along at all with the CT. The Grail War was executed with only a few basic concessions to the Clock Tower, but it was mostly ran by the three families, especially Einzbern.

Large families, the Sea of Estray and Atlas, and runaway magicians and vampires (Read: mostly everyone of importance) are fairly independant from the Tower an act in relative liberty. Until Nasu includes Barthomeloi or Blackmore in a story, we won't see the Clock Tower as central in anything.

>Unique how? Even Alucard is more unique than the pseudo-vampires in TM.

Like who? The guy who is a cloud of rumors? The kid who manifests four demons out of his imagination, including a morphing sentient rat? The crow man? The dimension-hopping magician? The sentient forest?

The closest thing to a remotely normal vampire we've ever seen is Satsuki.

>Magical weapons
The number of traditional magical weapons we've seen is vastly outnumbered by conceptual weaponry, all of which have pretty damn uncommon effects. Are you saying shit like the spear that reverses causality or the origin bullets are "usual"?

>Gaia doesn't want humans to 'fuck off and die' because humans are a part of Gaia. Humans are similar to cancer and at the end of the day, Gaia still hates them.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

"Gaia" is not even fucking sentient. It can't "hate" anything. It doesn't "oppose" humanity. Where the fuck do you even get off saying gaia has the capacity to think? It only tried to kill humanity after its own death to solve a perceived inconsistency that boiled down to a technicality. There's no fucking Cpatain Planet element in any of this.

>>7642832
There are two different types of vampires. And the Church classifies as a DAA any powerful being that likes blood. A spider from space, a dog and a forest can't really be vampires, but they like blood so they are classified as vampires.

Or if you're referring to the True Ancestors. Well, those are, you know, True Ancestors. They are obviously different from normal vampires. It has always been like this in Japanese settings.

>>7642844
>There's no fucking Cpatain Planet element in any of this

Arcueid. Think about it.

>>7642844
>Are you saying shit like the spear that reverses causality or the origin bullets are "usual"?
Stuffs like this are pretty standards in chuuni.

>>7642832
>I'm stating that is simply wrong as throwing together concepts haphazardly does not necessarily make it good. Like I said, original maybe, but that's not always a positive.

So what could possibly be an "original" vampire then? You could apply your rebuttal to ANYTHING. Any originality you added to the concept can be dismissed in that way. You claimed Alucard was more unique, yet he himself follows that exact same deisgn.

>>7642849
Have you actually fucking PLAYED the games?

Arcueid has fuck-all to do with any anti-pollution measure. For starters, the Earth doesn't give a shit about dying, it's just the disruption of order that activates the counterforce. Arcueid is not going to do jack shit to humans that are not breaking the natural order.

The idea that "Gaia" is anything like your usual spirit of nature proves you have no idea what you are talking about. It is dusruptions of order that Gaia reacts against. Contradictions to its laws, like the fact that beings born from the Earth outlived the Earth. That's the kind of things the Counterforce cares about, not goddamn oil spills.

>>7642832
>>I'm stating that is simply wrong as throwing together concepts haphazardly does not necessarily make it good

Cool opinion there. But I think you didn't say anything.

I played Battle Moon Wars. I know all there is to know about Type-Moon.

>>7642773
>The earth vs humans theme

Which doesn't exist in this setting.

>and the magic school in London

Which has never been relevant in anything.

Besides, the Clock Tower is in London because it's the logical place for an European society opposed to the Catholic Church to exist. It's like complaining that the base of the Catholics being in the Vatican is cliché. OF FUCKING COURSE IT'S IN THE VATICAN.

Tsukihime: Most of the setting is just cosmetic, it's mostly a boy meets girl story with some action scenes.
And the routes with actual good plot have fuck all to do with this setting.

FSN: Mostly a self-contained battle royale with barely anything to do with the setting. It couldn't take place in a completely different universe and nothing would change.

That's why I don't understand the TM fags, what is so fun about discussing stuffs that are irrelevant in the long run? None of this shit ever mattered in the real games.

>>7642870

You do not even understand how stories work.

Plots and settings COMBINE to make the story.

If you're complaining about the plot then you should hate on every story ever because THERE IS NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN.

>>7642881
But the setting is barely used.
What does it combine about when it's largely irrelevant?

And I'm not complaining about the plot, Tsukihime is shallow but entertaining and FSN had some good ideas though the execution lacked in several areas

>>7642846
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Either you're agreeing with my first point that they're barely vampires, or you're agreeing that there's really nothing outstanding.
Or you're throwing out infodumps for no reason.

>>7642844
>No, it's not.
I'm talking about to the lore, not to the games. No matter how you spin it, London is a large center of magic and is an overused setting.

>The closest thing to a remotely normal vampire we've ever seen is Satsuki.
That's why I said pseudo vampires. They're barely vampires, but just a collection of random ideas already done in video games and fantasy. Alucard remains unique because he exhibits more traits of being a vampire than anything in the Nasuverse.

>Are you saying shit like the spear that reverses causality or the origin bullets are "usual"?
No one ever said 'usual'. I'm saying how it's inclusion of magic isn't a new concept (miracles), nor are conceptual weapons (enchanted arms/magical arms). Either read the posts or don't respond.

>"Gaia" is not even fucking sentient.
You're right, using the term 'hate' is wrong. That's still germane to the point that it all boils down to Gaia wanting to kill humans in Notes. That's all there is to it, so the theme is still there. Hell, even throughout his works, the theme of man vs Gaia can be seen in the manifestation of the planet's natural defenses as a safeguard against humans being too destructive. Perhaps it is you who should learn more.

>>7642863
>It is dusruptions of order that Gaia reacts against. Contradictions to its laws, like the fact that beings born from the Earth outlived the Earth. That's the kind of things the Counterforce cares about, not goddamn oil spills.

Jesus Christ, your stupidity is unbearable. You should stop shitting TM-community by your idiotic posts.

>>7642850
Hmm, true. The term originality is difficult to define nowadays because of the abundance of works on just about everything.
Still, I do not believe that saying vampires in the Nasuverse are 'unique/original' is the right thing to say. It's like me making a character has all the characteristics of Superman, but adding that he's also a vampire now. Would you say that's unique?

>>7642865
That's not an opinion, it's a fact. Also, thanks for contributing to the discussion, /a/ is to your left.

>>7642899

>Would you say that's unique?

Haven't seen a vampire Kryptonian yet, but it might've been done in the Silver Age, who knows.

>>7642685
>>7642678
Basically, this. Type-Moon is good because Nasu will never start doing something he isn't sure about yet. Even now, he is propably well aware of how good the next thing he does has to be, in order for fans to accept it.

It's good because Nasu is an actual honest artist who rather doesn't do anything and gets drunk with his bro Takeuchi and then brainstorms about the setting and leaves a lot of things undecided instead of making moneiz for shit. I know that you will say stuff about milking, but he really isn't milking his old stuff NEARLY as hard as he could.

He could write Archer's story where it's and fans would eat it up, but he knows he has already exhausted it thematically. He wrote F/HA, because he felt that more should be said about the Kotomine side of things, ideologically, and so that TM can keep itself fresh and healthy. If he realeases the Satsuki route, it has to develop Tsukihime in some way and that's a VERY hard thing to do.
This is why I think that Mahoyo happens and Tsukihime2 will happen, after a LOT of years and it will be very different from what everyone expects. Mahoyo will be just good enough to keep up with what he did so far and make some money to keep the company alive, but Tsukihime 2 has to be his entire life's work.

>>7642892
The world crushes anything that attempts to subvert it that isn't a natural spirit. Thaumaturgy is one of these things.

But the counter force is primarily concerned with resolving disasters before it can cause a maximum of harm. If 49% of the world had to be sacrificed to save 51% of it, it would do so. It will sacrifice whatever it has to, in order to preserve the majority.

Archer specialized in this field: sacrificing the minority to save everyone else.

>>7642907
Too bad neither FSN nor Tsukihime are more than a 8/10

He will have to brainstorm really hard to make something really good.
During this time other writers are one upping each other in quality.

>>7642662
>Type Moon.
>Why was it so good?
They would be good if they still put stuff out and not just milk shit and create new VN's that take years, cost $60+ before import/shipping, AND don't have H.

>>7642937
>cost $60 before import/shipping

l2Japan. Mainstream games like Halo retail for over $100 there, and Alicesoft sells their games for 9500 yen. Type-Moon is actually cheap by comparison, not that it matters. You're just going to pirate it anyway.

>AND don't have H.

Stop being so obsessed with sex. Go read a nukige if you need to jerk off.

>>7642954
>Stop being so obsessed with sex. Go read a nukige if you need to jerk off.
More like, if what you want is a good story go read a book.

>>7642964
>More like, if what you want is a good story go read a book.

Yeah, like Harry Potter or Twilight or something by Stephen King, right? You obviously haven't looked at the kinds of books that are popular in America, because you wouldn't be making suggestions like that otherwise.

>>7642979
I like the part where you're suggesting that stories done by Type-Moon have more literary value than those stories.

Type Moon sucks.

Kotomine Kirei, Tohsaka Rin, and Ilya are the best things to come out of this sub-par franchise.

I'm still going to watch the upcoming series though.

>>7642979
Are you suggesting that those three series/authors are the only things you can choose to read?

Ignorance is astounding isn't it?

>>7642988
I like the part where you're suggesting that they don't.

>>7643000
>Are you suggesting that those three series/authors are the only things you can choose to read?

I'm suggesting that modern fiction in America today is a steaming pile of shit, in no small part because of the grip that publishing houses have on determining what even makes it to market. The fact that you can't even name one example of something that's decent doesn't help your case either.

>>7643014
I actually just popped into this thread to call you out on your retardation. I bet you have never even walked into an Indigos and looked at the books there. If you really think there's nothing in the millions of books published tri-monthly, I have no more words for you.

>>7643016
You have no point to make. You have no reason to be here.

>>7643016
>If you really think there's nothing in the millions of books published tri-monthly, I have no more words for you.

And yet you still can't name anything that's good or worth reading.

>>7643018
The point is quite clear and if you can't see it, you have no business inserting yourself into the discussion.

It all boils down to subjectivity, but if you truly think nothing in the books published here are as good as TM... then that's a bold statement. Now I ask you to leave kindly for bringing nothing into the discussion except your own ignorance.

>>7642988
I like how they do.
Well, even "staring longly in her eyes, combing her hair with his index finger and thumb" tops Nasusex and Harry Potter at least portrays western stuff semi-correctly, but I can't think of anything emptier than Stephen King, barring Ayn Rand's books.

>>7643020
You misunderstand me. I could name off some books, but you'd no doubt say that they suck or are somehow worse than TM stories which are opinions. Surprising, no?

>>9313675
Washington wins because he's taller

Calling it now

>>7643027
You're hilarious, you know that? Are you seriously that afraid of losing an argument on the internet that you're going to advance a position and not even bother defending it?

from the carnival phantasm video, who is this?

>>7643039
>you're afraid by losing an argument by stating your opinion

>>7643044
One of the purest reasons to watch it.

>>7643024
I don't need to bring my ignorance into the discussion when you have so much of your own to share with everyone.

Only good Nasuverse characters

>>7643039
Considering that the original point was >>7642964 here, that was simply saying that if you want a good story to read a book, what's there to defend? It all boils down to opinion on whether or not you like a book and really, if it's good or not. It's not a hard concept to grasp so I don't understand why you're making a big fuss out of it.

But hey, if you want me to 'defend' the point:
>Jane Eyre
>Harry Potter
>Pride and Prejudice

There, three solid books with great narrative and thematic elements.

>>7643048
>*you're afraid of losing an argument

god fucking damnit. One shouldn't have to fix greentext.

>>7643050
sorry, but thats not very helpful, but can you tell me the name/which type moon game shes from?

>>7643050
>I don't need to bring my ignorance into the discussion when you have so much of your own to share with everyone.
Still contributing nothing I see? And here I thought you might be a reasonable tripfag.

>>7643057

Len, Kagetsu Tohya.

Mentioned (not by name) in Tsukihime, also shows up in Melty Blood Re-Act and beyond.

>>7643072
thank you

>>7643060

Get OUT of /jp/.

>>7643060
I'm contributing to your butthurt. That seems pretty helpful, to me.

>Jane Eyre
>Harry Potter
>Pride and Prejudice

One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn't belong~

>>7643076
So you have nothing to contribute and decided to be a jerk. When someone called you out on not actually making any points, you resort to insults and telling people to get out?

Priceless. I believe this image conveys my thoughts right about now pretty well.

my favorite typemoon

>>7643089

No, just that you don't understand the White Ren and basically revealed that this is your first time here.

>>7643089
Okay, now seriously, get the fuck out.

>>7643083

.....Pride and Prejudice?
Never been good at these kinds of games.

>>7643060

The only thing you're reasonable at is gobbling penis. I think your papa is calling you... he needs his shaft polished.

How did you even find /jp/?

>>7643093
The white one is better~

>>7643054
>what's there to defend?

The fallacious notion that the kinds of things being published as books in the west are better than Type-Moon shit. I wholeheartedly agree that FSN or whatever doesn't hold a candle to actual literature, books =/= literature.

As for your examples,

>Jane Eyre

I like it as well, but note that I said at >>7643014 that I was talking about contemporary works.

>Harry Potter

It's horrible. The first book rips off Lord of the Rings and combines it with LOL MAGIC HIGH SCHOOL DRAMA, and the subsequent ones get worse and worse in terms of their focus and the inclusion of filler scenes/plotlines that have nothing to do with the proposed thematic. You're pretty delusional if you think its in any way a "solid book".

>Pride and Prejudice

I'm not a fan, but I can see why some people might like it. Nevertheless, it was also written 150 years ago and therefore isn't exactly relevant to a discussion about modern fiction.

If we're going to continue, please name something that was at least written or continued within the last 10 years.

>>7643098
I made no attempt to brand myself as a regular here. I'm just stopping by because I like TM and saw a stupid post. You're basically admitting you're being an idiot on purpose.

>>7643114
Still nothing in terms of a rebuttal to the topic at hand can be seen and now we're getting to distasteful insults completely germane to the original point. Perhaps I'll get an actual discussion some other day.

>>7643122

Nope, I'm not related to this thread or discussion.

I'm just telling you to get out of /jp/.

This should be sufficient data for you to understand the White Ren.

>>7643122
>Perhaps I'll get an actual discussion some other day.

When you have something worth saying, I'm sure people will discuss your ideas with you.

>>7643120
>I like it as well, but note that I said at >>7643014 that I was talking about contemporary works.
Noted, but I can assure you there are other books published this decade that are worth reading.

>You're pretty delusional if you think its in any way a "solid book".
I'm talking about the first one. I'd like to see actual arguments as to why it was a bad book instead
>TYPICAL HIGHSCHOOL DRAMA
which clearly wasn't the case at all.

>If we're going to continue, please name something that was at least written or continued within the last 10 years.
Well, I don't read much anymore but how about
>Life of Pi
>House of Leaves
>The Five People You Meet in Heaven
>Harry Potter
Yes, I'm bringing that up again until you can give me an objective reason as to why it's bad and not worth reading.

>>7643133
>Nope, I'm not related to this thread or discussion.
Thank you.
I'll be sure to disregard all of your posts in this thread from now on.

>>7643122

It's not /jp/'s fault your dad abuses you... every Friday... sexually.

I understand you're frustrated, but you don't have to take it out on everyone here.

You can't fool me.
You parade behind some false sense of self-worth/intelligence... but you're really just crying out for help.

Perhaps /adv/ would be more to your speed.

>>7643139

To break the masquerade, how will you tell this White Ren from that White Ren, then?

>>7643142
You're hurting my feelings anon.

>>7643147
There is only one, true White Ren.

>>7643120

You sound like a hipster.
Are you trying to say that even the first Harry Potter wasn't worth reading?

The first did it's job well. The others were just capitalizing on the first's success, and it showed.

>>7643161
In retrospect, it really wasn't.

>>7643161
In particular, everything from book 4 onwards seemed to have a drop in quality as if Rowling was pressured to turn them out quickly.

>>7643172

That's funny, because I haven't read anything beyond book 4.

>>7643120
Well, within the last 10 years:
Don't act as at home, friend(Kundera)
Viper(Sapkowski, also some other books by him)
Murakami is semi-good too.
Then again, I am an annoying oldfag showing off being well read. The discussion is pointless and retarderd to begin with your recttermination is showing.

Type Moon's music is so good that sometimes if I'm listening to their OSTs I'm reduced to tears during some tracks.

>>7643193
You have bad taste and you should feel bad.

>>7643213
Guess I am going to change myself forever because of the exact not backed up opinionated reply that I expected from a troll who can't not have the last word in his troll thread which nobody even reads anymore but he keeps F5ing it alone, with a finger up his ass.

>>7643134
>I'd like to see actual arguments as to why it was a bad book instead

It's ridiculous to discuss the first part of a seven part series on its own and to then use conclusions about it to say the series itself is good, but whatever; I'll do it.

The first book, while not as bad as some of the later ones, still is not good by any stretch of the imagination. Its conflict, characters, and plot elements are completely unoriginal--and not in a good way.

Sergio Leone took Kurosawa's samurai films and made great westerns out of them. Goethe took Marlowe's version of Faust and went in a completely different direction of it to produce something just as good. Shakespeare copied Pyramus and Thisbe and, after updating the setting and rewriting it in excellent blank verse full of great aphorisms, wound up producing something better than the original.

The first book of Harry Potter, on the other hand, decided to take Lord of the Rings, strip out all of the parts that made it good (ie difficult for children to understand), and then combine what was left over with WIZARD SCHOOL. I fail to see what's so good about it that people think it deserves to be mentioned in the same post as Jane Eyre. Really, if you stop for a second and take off your nostalgia goggles, it honestly reads like an adolescent power fantasy.

>>7643229
Why are you so frustrated?

>>7643229

Bump... just to piss you off.
I fucking love it when you guys fight.

>>7643232
It's what happens when I keep responding to bad troll threads for too long. I just want to tire them out somehow, I guess.

But really. I've even lost my sage somewhere along the way.

>>7643236

Harry Potter is pretty unoriginal, but I'm not seeing how you could come to the the conclusion that the primary inspiration is Lord of the Rings. They're fundamentally different stories.

>>7643256

He only reads things that are "popular" and well-acclaimed by people who he will never meet in this life time. In other words, he doesn't know the first thing about literature.

>>7643282
Shouldn't you be off buying unfashionable secondhand clothes from a thrift shop so you can wear them ironically to an indie rock concert?

>>7643336
People who defend Harry Potter are not hipsters.

Unless that's the new, ironic thing to do.

>>7643383
Actually, it is. Harry Potter used to be a nerd/geek/ect thing. Also, no one fucking reads.

But with the release of the movies, now everyone and their mother knows the story and own Harry Potter scarves and glasses and, assumingly, defend it's smashing story quality.

Ryougi Shiki can kill the world.

>>7645023

Hell, Tohno Shiki can kill the world, although he was half vampire at the time and it was only a tiny bit and it nearly made his brain explode with just that.

>>7645023
Nope. Too old for Ryougi to fathom.

Everybody's so mad in this thread.

>>7645047
>>7645051

Ryougi is the world itself, spiral of life. She can do whatever she wants.

Ryougi is amazing and much more interesting character than Arcueid.

Tohno is no match for her, he's barely able to kill some pussy-vampire without just dying right there.

Type-moon hasn't released a VN in 6 years and it's fanbase is comprised almost entirely of raging /a/ faggots, why is it still a subject of discussion on /jp/?

>>7645111
Breaking news, /jp/ likes to circlejerk.

>>7645103
lol nice fanwank

>>7645117
>fanwank

Oh I see. You never watched KnK, you must be new here.

>>7645119

>watched

>watched

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>>7645119
>he watched knk
That's almost as canon as watching FSN.

>>7645126
>that's almost as canon as watching tsukihime
ftfy

>>7645103
...it's explained well enough. Without void personality, Ryougi is the death of supernatural. She can kill vaguer concepts better. Tohno is more physically capable and can kill simpler things easier. Ryougi has to concentrate even at a human's lines, for Shiki it's the first thing he sees. Tohno will burn his brains out killing a disease, Ryougi can't really kill a fucking wall. Ryougi's abilities limits in general seem to have more clearly outlined borders, Shiki thinks that he could do pretty much anything if he tried hard enough and looked at it long enough.

Tohno will have a slight upper hand in a matchup, due to being fucking ridiculous physically. But I doubt you can say for sure.

>>7645140
Ryougi does have reaction time faster than Tohno, however, having faster reaction time doesn't necessarily translate to having absolute physical advantage. You can be way faster than someone while having a shitty reaction time after all, especially in sports.

mfw this thread started when I was without connection...fuck.

>>7645121
>>7645126
>>7645133

KnK movies are very well done and actually more interesting than original novel series.
But obviously you never read it (It's even hard to imagine that you read something in your entire life).
Typical summer.

>>7645220

I've read what was translated, which, sadly, is not enough.

I wanna see Alba's magic.

>>7645126
>>7645121
KnK movies are by far the best thing in Type Moon. Nothing else even compares to them.

>>7645227
Only the fifth movie is something I would call "good".
But I agree it's the best thing out of TM.

>>7645227
Is UBW movie bad? I downloaded blu-ray the day it was released but still didn't watch it.

>>7645232
Yes, it's pretty damn bad.
Watch it only if you want to see the fights animated.

T-M is twilight for boys

>>7645232

It is raw eye candy that vomits in the face of "coherent plot" and "story pacing".

It's not good by any measure other than admiring Shirou's footwork in combat, enjoy with big bucket of popcorn.

>>7645220
>thinks it's canon just because it was animated with high animation values
laughingwavervelvet.png

>>7645248
Didn't Nasu say that he liked the movies more than the novels themselves, though?

yo dis b arcade Bumstead of tsukyhimay I'd hit it

>>7645248
Get out already, you imbecile.

>Type-Moon
>good
pick one

>>7645282
>best girl
>not Elesia
pick one

Nasu has an interesting world but has done almost nothing to flesh it out.

He creates all of these unique characters and concepts and they just sit there in side material wasting away.

Nasu desperately needs an editor/manager.

>>7645297
That's why Carnival Phantasm was done.

Kaie is best Type-moon character followed by Marem

>>7645255
Liking the movies mean nothing though.

Taiga route when?

>>7645303
Joke story not even written by Nasu
Sure is using the setting well.

3 draw-your-waifu threads, 2 Ciel drawings. take this, Arc/Akifags

>>7645324
but it have swimsuits, so it's totally legit.

>>7645314
>There will never be a taiga route

Feels bad man

If you could concoct your ideal timeline of events for FSN with elements from all three routes, what would it be?

>>7645340
what? you forget that after the reboot will be realesed in 2020, tey wiil make a special "backyard allegiance " add on, with Illya and Taiga routes.
they will also release the one for Tsukihime with Sacchin, Sion and Ichiko, and the long awaited yaoi routes with Roa, Arihiko and Nrvnqsr.
it's true! I'm not living in a world of lies!

>>7645344
Evil Sakura main antagonist.
Shirou become a superhero to save Ilya.

>>7645363
Fund it.

>>7645344
Illya route.

The branching point is getting captured by Illya and agreeing to team up with her.

Illya uses h4x to allow Shirou to feed mana to Saber normally. When Rin, Archer and Saber attack the castle to free Shirou, Shirou uses a command seal and orders her not to interfere.

Archer tries to kill Shirou, but is forced to protect Rin by Berserker. Rin manages to flee and hide in the church, Archer dies buying time for her and scremaing to Shirou that trying to save Illya was futile because he himself tried everything and failed in the end.

Illya and Shirou attack the temple next to take out Caster and Assassin. Saber wants to fight Caster because shes immune to her magic, but Assassin insists on fighting her. Illya orders berserker to fight Caster since she cant be bothered to wait. Caster dies but nukes the temple in the process, taking out some of Berserker's lives and everyone who lives at the temple(this includes Issei).

<Interspace scenes of loli sex and finding out the Einzbern history, the dress of heaven, Illya being the container for the grail, how the grail war really functions, and pedo dates>

In an ironic twist, Kotomine offers Gilgamesh to Rin, her father's servant in the previous war. Rin's pride wont allow her to back down from a chance to win, so she has no choice but to accept.

Kotomine uses Lancer to bait Illya and Shirou to a spot where Gilgamesh is waiting. Faced with Hercules, a demi-god and Saber, the King of Knights, Gilgamesh fights seriously, Illya faints as the grail is nearing completion, Berserker dies as Saber and Shirou carry Illya to safety.

>>7645405
>In an ironic twist, Kotomine offers Gilgamesh to Rin, her father's servant in the previous war. Rin's pride wont allow her to back down from a chance to win, so she has no choice but to accept.
You have my attention.

>>7645344
FSN routes are progressive and meant to portray Shirou going further and further from the ideal towards the real, they are not really supposed to stand on equal ground, I think a mix up would makes little sense from a thematic point of view.

>>7645344
Archer is wounded.
Rider is the first real fight, gets Excaliblasted.
Caster breaks Saber's contract right after that and takes her hostage.
Lancer attacks the temple by chance, True Assasin is born in the fight, Caster gets really mad and Caster Rays everyone away.
Archer attacks the temple to get Saber back, Caster breaks his contact.
Rider barely survived Excalibur and remains Shinji's servant, Shinji gets captured by Caster and learns something about love and life from Kuzuki in the meantime, Sakura urges Rider to go save him Berserker attacks the temple and is stopped by True Assasin at the gate, it is revealed that Caster allied with Zouken. During the fight, Rider slips in and saves Shinji, the duo takes out Caster and subsequently, Rider dies to Gil and Ilya with Berserker have to flee.
Shirou gets ambushed by Archer, but Archer doesn't know that Saber survived in time and made another contact with Shirou. Rin is at the scene too and Archer explains why he doesn't want to make another contact, even though he managed to escape.
Shirou, Saber and Rin go to ask Ilya for help against Gil, Gil comes to kill Berserker in the exact same time, Archer appears, sneak kills him and then attacks Shirou before everyone. Shirou tells Saber not to get between them.
UBW battle, this time not interrupted by Gilgamesh, but by Dark Sakura.
Interlude, Lancer fought True Assasin at the night, killed him but got eaten by Sakura.
Saber has to take on corrupted Emiya and corrupted Cuhulain at once while Shirou goes on to destroy Avenger, leading to HF end with Saber in place of Rider and Ilya alive.

Something like that. It's full of aspulls, I know.

>>7645405
Believing the grail and victory are close at hand, Kotomine sends Lancer after Shirou while Gilgamesh, low on mana after the battle, decides to rape Rin, whom is locked up afterwards.

Shirou and Saber bump into Sakura on their way to the castle, whom has partially turned into Dark Sakura at this point, but Zouken screwed up and got eaten instead. The mana depleted Saber tries to fight off an endless horde of shadows until Lancer shows up and wipes them out with the thrown version of Gae Bolg, rescueing them in the process.

Lancer manages to shed some light on Kotomine's motivations(the whole hurp durp cover the world in grail goop thing), and decides to leave, not wishing to fight Saber except at full strength.

As Lancer returns, Kotomine gets as far as "Lancer. Why have you not..." before Lancer cuts his hand with the command seals off and kills him, planning to form a contract with Rin, whom he rescues. Gilgamesh lets them go, finding Kotomine's betrayal and death an ironic resemblance to how he betrayed Rin's father in the previous war, and taunting Lancer about how Rin is "used goods".

>>7645420
>*contract
wtf, so many times.

>ideal timeline of events for FSN

More Rider.
Rider instead of Saber.
Sex with Rider.
Casual life with Rider.
Reading with Rider.
Taking bath with Rider.
Sleeping with Rider.
Going to cinema with Rider.
Having kinky sex with Rider.
Happy end with Rider.

>>7645442
Under Shinji's POV.

>>7645344
>>7645442
>ideal timeline of events for FSN

More Caster.
Caster instead of Saber.
Sex with Caster.
Casual life with Caster.
Reading with Caster.
Taking bath with Caster.
Sleeping with Caster.
Going to cinema with Caster.
Having kinky sex with Caster.
Happy end with Caster.

>>7645458
Under Issei's POV

>>7645103
>Ryougi is the world itself, spiral of life. She can do whatever she wants.

That's why she can only fight a defensive battle against average Servants, am I right? Lol no Arcueid is the one who is one with the planet, she is the will of the planet, Ryougi is nothing more than a fragile girl connected to the Origin, which is a useless factor since she still has a human body. At any rate she has even more restrictions than Arcueid.

Well too bad for you, Nasu already confirmed that Arcueid is the strongest character in his major works. But Void Shiki is not bad, that is, she is second.

Also lol at Ryougi being a more interesting character than Arcueid.

>>7645461
fund it.

>>7645424
Gilgamesh heads to the underground chamber underneath the now nuked temple to try and summon the grail.

Lancer tells Rin about the encounter with Dark Sakura, Rin raids the Matou house looking for clues, in the process finding a way for her to form a contract with Lancer without seals, the kind that Shinji had. Rin finds out about the basement full of worms and Zouken's diary where he was planning to turn Sakura into the secret weapon to win the next Grail war. He did an experiment to try and make Sakura ready for the current war because Shirou and Illya teaming up looked like a win for Einzbern, which he couldn't accept. This backfired, he got eaten, and Dark Sakura just became a mana eating creature attracted to strong sources of Mana, but any personality or will left.

Shirou tries to find a cure for Illya but the maids tell him its pretty much impossible. Shirou remembers Archer's last words at this point. In her feverish state, the original Einzbern's personality takes hold and orders Shirou to destroy the grail, Einzbern's treasure that has been corrupted through the greediness of her descendants. Shirou agrees.

>>7645461
It would turn into a shounen ai VN, then.

>>7645469
Issei lusts after Shirou.
Caster could rape him, though.

>>7645465
>shounen ai
>sex with caster
wat

>>7645470
so it's a bisexual vn

>>7645458
And this would be under Kuzuki's POV, of course.

>>7645475
Kuzuki's POV would be interesting. High school hijinks everywhere.

>>7645442
>>7645458
>ideal timeline of events for FSN

More Caster and Rider.
Caster and Rider instead of Saber.
Sex with Caster and Rider.
Casual life with Caster and Rider.
Reading with Caster and Rider.
Taking bath with Caster and Rider.
Sleeping with Caster and Rider.
Going to cinema with Caster and Rider.
Having kinky sex with Caster and Rider.
Happy end with Caster and Rider.

"The Stray Servant (はぐれサーヴァント?) was one of the heroine candidates of Fate/stay night when Shirou had a larger harem. She was to be a servant with a shield who killed her master and stayed in the world after the end of the Fourth Grail War like Gilgamesh. She would have been an "abandoned puppy" heroine, and one of Saber's rivals.[1] "

;_;

>>7645483
Under Kuzuki's POV

>>7645489
Isn't that supposed to be Ajax or something?

>>7645483
I'm totally okay with that only if threesome.
with Saber watching

Just found out Yuzu-nee is voicing Arcueid in Carnival Phantasm I had an orgasm soon afterwards

>>7645496
Why would Saber watch Caster, Rider and Issei having sex together?

>>7645501
Because Saber is a pervert.

>>7645501
Shes a slut

>>7645501
She actually has a crush on Issei

>There's no Rider in Carnival Phantasm

Seriously, fuck you.

>>7645498
Feels good, man.

>>7645506
Thats because she's busy having sex with Caster

>>7645515
And Issei

>>7645506
She appears a couple of times in the PVs.

>>7645503
>>7645502
exactly.
>>7645504
no, she just love cock

>>7645498
What? Are you new? She has always voiced Arcueid in everything; Type Moon drama CDs, Melty Blood, Fate Tiger Upper, Fate Extra, and there are probably more. Of course, with the exception of the anime.

>>7645516
While Saber is watching.

>>7645506
What are you talking about, she's in it.

>>7645516
>implying issei could get it up for women

>>7645464
Rin and Lancer show up at the castle. Rin is pissed off at Shirou for breaking their alliance, pissed off at the Matous for what they did to Sakura, pissed at herself because she couldnt do anything and is an emotional wreck. Rin tells Shirou about Dark Sakura and that they have no choice but to put her down because she will keep eating people in an endless quest for mana and that the Sakura they knew doesnt exist anymore. Since Gilgamesh is trying to summon the grail, its likely she will be there as well with such a heavy concentration of mana. Rin and Lancer leave to make their preparations.

The next night, Shirou and Saber head to the underground chamber where Gilgamesh is trying to summon the grail, to find him fighting Dark Sakura, bewildered that shes regenerating all the damage Gate of Babylon is doing. He finally reaches for EA, only for Saber to use Excalibur, at the same time Lancer throws Gae Bolg. Trapped with the Grail to his back and Dark Sakura infront, Gilgamesh and Dark Sakura are both blown to bits along with the grail.

With the grail destroyed, Illya wakes up, just in time to see Rin walk up to Shirou without a word and use up all her jewels to attack him(the same attack she used against Berserker in the fate route). Saber manages to block most of the damage, although Shirou is hurled backwards and severly injured. Lancer takes the opportunity to stab Saber with Gae Bolg, Rin having used a command seal before hand to force him to stick to the plan. The maids attempt to intervene, but Lancer easily kills them.

With the grail gone, Lancer and Saber rapidly dissapear from the world. Rin has won the war, and yet at the same time has won nothing and lost everything. She wanders off into the woods in a daze, never to be seen again.

>>7645530
Caster uses her magic to make Rider look like Shirou.
Or better yet, Caster makes Issei look like Shirou and he makes him masturbate in front of a mirror.

>>7645530
>implying in anon's timeline he couldn't
in anon's timeline, even the gayest of men can get it up for women.

>>7645530
Caster reinforces Issei's dick into a horsecock and she rapes Issei along with Rider.

>>7645530
>getting insecure of issei having sex with fsn females

>>7645531
Shirou suffered serious internal injuries and probably will die. Illya hugs him and begs him not to, in the end using the dress of heaven to transfer Shirou's soul into her own body(Shirouko doujin path). With the war over, Einzbern sends agents to collect Illya, or rather her body and the Einzbern artifacts. Shirouko, having lost almost everyone he cared for, with the intent to learn Einzbern magecraft and create an exact duplicate of Illya that will never die.

Also slight change to the above story...Saber and Shirou bump into Taiga(who's drunk) while running from Gilgamesh. Dark Sakura shows up, Taiga tries to hug her and gets eaten.

>>7645538

Why would she do that when she can project her own?????

>>7645544
Because she can't fuck herself. And she's not a teenage guy.

>>7645541
>drunk Taiga gets eaten
...why I laughed so loud?

>>7645544
uhm, can I politely ask for futa sauce?

Illya route compiled.

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>>7645545
suddenly, Yukari crossover becomes a necessity

>>7645554
uh, excuse me?
...oh, and gently reported.

>>7645550

>>7645579
thanks, with your kindness you made this thread better.

Ummmm... So compared to other visual novels, are Type-Moons good? I srsly would want to know.

>>7647416
It's one of the most popular ones in the industry

"Good" is subjective tho

>>7645588
>>my face when I made that image macro like 8 years ago
>>still gets reposted

>>7647449
you know where I find that? in the only tsukihime instaset still up on /rs/.
it's cool to know that who made that still remembers about it after all those years.
well then, who's the ZUN!bar favourite tsukyhimay?

>>7647472
Either Hisui or Arc. I like maids and vampire type characters.

>>7647505
I'm touching myself imagining ZUN!bar-chan dressed up as a maid right now. <3

I'm not sure what's going on in this thread anymore (I assume that the Harry Potter bashing/circle jerking is done), but I just wanted to say that Ryougi is actually stronger than Arc.

When Nasu said who was strongest, he said in a straight up fight. Given time, Ryougi is much stronger because she's connected to the Origin and can basically alter any reality/parallel plane by messing with cause and effect. This takes time and intense concentration I'd assume, but it still makes her the strongest being in the universe.

>>7647551
No wonder Ryougi is stronger than a defacto type, she's the biggest mary sue in the history of japanese light fiction.

Ryougi's marysueness turned me off from watching Kara no Kyoukai.

>>7647434
Yeah. I know it's pretty popular. I was just hoping someone could say how it compares in quality to titles like the devil on g-string, chaos;head or Sekien no Inganock. Is discussion like that even possible on /jp/ or is everyone too bieased towards TM. This thread is mostly just flaming, derailing and nitpicking.

>>7647551
Arcueid can also mess shit up with reality/dimensions/timespace from what we've seen her do. Add that to her super abilities, Ryougi really is weaker than Arcueid.

>>7647570
Me too. Pretty much killed my boner.

That and the fact that KnK was obscurantist drivel.

>>7647569
Why the fuck do you care?
Do you need some kind of approval or stamp of appreciation by /jp/ to know that you have shit taste?

And those quality titles you mention
>devil on g-string, chaos;head or Sekien no Inganock
They are all shit in my opinions.

My best3 are Ever17, CC and MLA with Tsukihimay slighty below them.
Deal with it.

It seems that Ryougi is too moe for you.

>>7647575
>Arcueid can also mess shit up with reality/dimensions/timespace from what we've seen her do.
Only on a local scale on the Moon and magic pertaining to Gaia. There's no evidence she can do anything on the scale of Ryougi.

No Limits Fallacy.

Shiki can fuck Servants, discuss

>>7647599
That's like saying ORT can't use his abilities on Earth.

Arcueid also automatically terraforms areas outside of Earth so wherever she is, she's pretty much going to be able to affect reality. And what she can do is anything that is possible with Gaia. Even to the point of opening portals for distance travel/moving time forward several thousand years forward to the time Gaia is already dead.

>>7647587
I am able to form my own opinions, thank you. However I am interested in what others think.

>>7647606
I can't doubt the Tohno Gland.

>>7647587
>Deal with it.
Go to sleep, kid.

>>7647613
>That's like saying ORT can't use his abilities on Earth.
Not really, no.

>she's pretty much going to be able to affect reality.
Which is why I said on a local scale. I'd like to see her opening a portal to Pluto without having been to it to terraform it in the first place. Hell, I'd like to see her recreate the universe like Shiki can.

In retrospect, your claim that Arc can affect reality on Ryougi's scale is not only amusing, but also stupid.

>>7647505
well ZUN!bar, I wanted to post some pics, but apparently my folder is in another hd. oh well, probably you have more Arc and Hisui pics than me.

>>7647629
>Shiki
>recreate the universe
Nice fanwank, bro. Being able to manipulate the Origin doesn't mean she has the full capacity to manipulate the Origin to that level.

>>7647587
>Muvluv Alternative
isn't even translated yet.
Do you speak mongolian?

>Hell, I'd like to see her recreate the universe like Shiki can.

SHIKI CAN'T ACTUALLY DO THAT

THE BITCH WAS BLUFFING

>>7647629
There's a reason why Arcueid is stronger than Ryougi. It's because she can't affect the Origin the way you think she can.

>>7647636
>Nice fanwank, bro.
Not fanwank when she said she can do it herself (among others).

It's like you didn't even watch the epilogue!

>>7647654
>watch
Nasu already said that was nothing more than bluster.

>>7647656
[Citation Needed]

>>7647637
Oh wait you cant read Japanese?
Nobody you have such shit taste.

>>7647637
Oh wait you cant read Japanese?
Nowonder you have such shit taste.

>>7647674
you on the other hand seem to have some difficulties with english. amirite?

>>7645541
>>7645531
>>7645464
>>7645424
>>7645405

This was pretty good, but the ending was pretty subpar.

>>7647658
Alright, citation clearly isn't coming now is it?

Fact is,
Ryougi > Arc in terms of power
Whether or not either of them are good characters is left up to opinion.

>>7647688
>you
>amirite
Are you talking about yourself?

well, thread successfully revived. I'm going to sleep.

>>7647695
>Ryougi better than Arc in terms of power
>Nasu already said Arc is the strongest
Stop being an idiot.

>>7647695
In terms of power, if Arcueid was weaker than Ryougi, there is no way that Void Ryougi can only reach Ciel-class.

okay,I'll stop posting my art.

>>7647739
>Didn't read the original post
>Make a fool out of yourself

Uh huh.

>>7647743
Same goes for you.

Just wondering. In KnK 5, why did Void Ryougi go ahead and trashed Araya when it was said that Void has no desires at all?

>>7647551
No, in the Type Moon Drama CD, where Ryougi, Arcueid and Saber make a comparison about their powers, it goes like this:

Arcueid: Ergh, so what about you Ryougi? Do you like the world of Fate?

Shiki: Not in particular, Mikiya isn't there. Sure my wishes will be granted but don't wishes get granted normally?
Arcueid: Uh, um, how direct.
Saber: Well, that would be because you're God to be blunt. You wouldn't know the pain of those without.
Shiki: Don't make such a stupid analogy. I'm nothing. The stupid woman over there doesn't have any limits. She can make a castle just by her imagination you know?
Arcueid: I've got a lot of restrictions too though. Oh, so it looks that way to you two, well, the most practical one is Saber though.

In other words Arcueid has unlimited power and Ryougi has Godlike power. But Arcueid doesn't have any limits, rather she has restrictions. Also, Arcueid should also be connected to the Origin since she has the original human body, which is connected to the Origin. Ryougi's still a fragile human girl, and she seems to have even more restrictions than Arc, so no, she definitely can't kill the universe.

>>7642662
My favorite board is shit.

>>7647830

It was subtly implied that the Counter Force was acting through Shiki because Araya hid himself from its natural state.

If so, then it obliterated him for defying reality and attempting a would-be-successful method to reach Akasha.

Why did type moon not make a vn in 6 years anyway, wouldn't they have went under by now or are at least shit poor?

>>7647832
>No, in the Type Moon Drama CD
>Canon

>But Arcueid doesn't have any limits, rather she has restrictions.
Not stated anywhere in canon source material.

>Also, Arcueid should also be connected to the Origin since she has the original human body
Fanwank. Jesus, this is worse than saying Shiki can cut through Avalon.

>>7647871
Forgot to add before I head to bed,

>so no, she definitely can't kill the universe.
Still nothing to back this up since she said herself she could if she wanted. Nothing has disproved this yet.

>>7647868

Merchandising and licensing. All the money of an actual product without any of the work or risk.

>>7647868
Type-Moon is making spinoffs of spinoffs of spinoffs.

Nasu must been a Millionaire when Realta Nua was released

>>7647878
Man they are such a shitty company, I can see how they use to be alright but why even start a vn company if your not your not even gonna make vns.
I mean they got tons of shit they can do but they do shit and take forever.

>>7647871
>No, in the Type Moon Drama CD

The script was written by Nasu. Just because fanon says it's not canon does not make it so.

>Not stated anywhere in canon source material

It's stated everywhere, even in Tsukihime (see Arc vs Ciel) and interviews, that Arcueid has unlimited power, that she doesn't have any limit.

>Fanwank

No. The sole reason why Touko was trying to recreate the original human body was because the original human body is connected to the origin. Are you a Ryougi fan yet you still haven't read KnK? I see, you only watched the movies.

>Jesus, this is worse than saying Shiki can cut through Avalon.

Says the Ryougi fan who is blatantly ignoring Nasu's word that Arcueid is stronger than Ryougi.

>>7647875
>Still nothing to back this up since she said herself she could if she wanted

But she hasn't shown to be able to do so, right? It's only informed ability. Meanwhile, Arcueid summoned the world from 1000 years into the future, and Dust of Osiris planned to use that world to kill all of humanity. So Arcueid has shown to "at least" be able to use world altering at planetary scale, this feat surpasses everything Void Ryougi has shown. Also, Void Ryougi never said she could kill the universe, that's just your fanwank.

>>7647569
Judging from the fact that nobody is willing to compare TM novels to others:
1.You just don't care
2.You haven't read that many good visual novels
or both.

>>7647871
>No, in the Type Moon Drama CD
>Canon

Also, I forgot to add. I think it's hilarious that someone who is using the KnK movies as canon material even has the face to claim the official Type Moon Drama CDs with script written by Nasu aren't canon.

>>7647903
>The script was written by Nasu.
Yes and? Not everything written by an author is necessarily canon to their universe you know? The fact that it's a casual drama CD cements this point.

>It's stated everywhere, even in Tsukihime (see Arc vs Ciel) and interviews, that Arcueid has unlimited power, that she doesn't have any limit.
First of all, that's from the perspective of normal humans. Like Arc said in the CD, according to humans, her power is so great that it is perceived to be limitless. Once again, we know that she's a bastardized TYPE and does not have unlimited power so No Limits Fallacy.

>No. The sole reason why Touko was trying to recreate the original human body was because the original human body is connected to the origin.
Except Arc was only made in the image of the original. There's no indication she has a connection with the Origin in ANY TM medium. Fanwank.

>Says the Ryougi fan who is blatantly ignoring Nasu's word that Arcueid is stronger than Ryougi.
Says the Arc fan who can't provide a citation of Nasu saying that Ryougi was providing false information in the epilogue.

>But she hasn't shown to be able to do so, right? It's only informed ability.
How could she heal the hand then? Explain that.

>Also, Void Ryougi never said she could kill the universe, that's just your fanwank.
She said she could rewrite the universe at will. Same thing.

>>7649296
I don't know why I should even bother ro discuss this with someone that hasn't even read the novels. Oh well.

>Yes and? Not everything written by an author is necessarily canon to their universe you know?

True, but my point is that fandom doesn't get to choose what is canon and what it isn't. So it's canon unless Nasu himself says so, your words have no value here.

>First of all, that's from the perspective of normal humans. Like Arc said in the CD, according to humans, her power is so great that it is perceived to be limitless.

That's just your fanwank. It says her power is unlimited, anything else is just fanwank.

>Once again, we know that she's a bastardized TYPE and does not have unlimited power

No, while it's true she is a cooproduction of both the Earth and the moon, you don't know her true power, you don't now what her full capabilities are.

>Except Arc was only made in the image of the original.

Gaia is the one who created humans, so it's a fact that the True Ancestors have the bodies of the original humans. Gaia has the blueprints and the original humans do not exist anymore, so Gaia used the original blueprints in order to create them.

>Says the Arc fan who can't provide a citation of Nasu saying that Ryougi was providing false information in the epilogue

The only thing we know for sure is that Arcueid is stronger than Void Ryougi, this is a fact. The most plausible explanation for this is that Void Ryougi has more restrictions than Arcueid, since anything else would contradict Nasu's words.

>How could she heal the hand then? Explain that.

So healing someone's hand proves that she can rewrite the universe?

>She said she could rewrite the universe at will

Fanwank. She only said she could rewrite the world, there is a difference in scale.

>>7649425
>I don't know why I should even bother ro discuss this with someone that hasn't even read the novels.
You seem to imply that the novels are largely different from the movies, which is not true. How's being stupid working out for you?

>True, but my point is that fandom doesn't get to choose what is canon and what it isn't.
No limits fallacy, same argument you used for Ryougi.

>It says her power is unlimited, anything else is just fanwank.
You should stop throwing that word around since you clearly don't know what it means. There's no indication that Arc has unlimited power AT ALL. You can make as many unfounded claims as you like, but until it's said in canon and proven to be true, I don't think so.

>Gaia is the one who created humans, so it's a fact that the True Ancestors have the bodies of the original humans.
I still see nothing about her being connected to the Origin. She's still only an image of the original.


>The most plausible explanation for this is that Void Ryougi has more restrictions than Arcueid, since anything else would contradict Nasu's words.
Fanwank. I also already explained how you interpreted his words wrong. It's the same issue as his statement about Ea being marginally stronger than Excalibur in terms of numbers. People misinterpret it as strength instead of the cone of the beam.

>So healing someone's hand proves that she can rewrite the universe?
Yes? How else could she heal his hand? I suppose she always had that power from the start and didn't tap into the Origin to change reality so it is healed. You cannot be in denial this much.

>Fanwank. She only said she could rewrite the world, there is a difference in scale.
>Fanwank at canon.
She specifically said she could rewrite anything in the universe, you need to reread that part.

Also, see attached image. It might teach you something.

MARY SUUUUUUE

>>7649617
I don't understand why people say this.

>>7649611
>No, while it's true she is a cooproduction of both the Earth and the moon, you don't know her true power, you don't now what her full capabilities are.
I wonder how I missed this one. Also, this post is retarded.
Arc is a combination of two planets, so it makes sense she has as much as power as two of them; a strong one and a weak one. That's all there is to it and to assume that she suddenly has insane abilities we don't know of is directly ignoring the mechanics of how the TYPEs work and everything in canon.

It's like me saying unicorns can exist because they are similar to horses. When someone points out that they aren't real, I say
>BUT YOU CANT PROVE THAT YOU DONT KNOW HAVE YOU EVER NOT SEEN ONE?

It's trite and a fallacy to use it.

>>7649611
>You seem to imply that the novels are largely different from the movies, which is not true. How's being stupid working out for you?

Except that the movies are nowhere as nearly as detailed as the novels. It's an adaptation you ignorant fool. Can't believe someone who's using an adaptation as canon material has the guts to call someone who read the original source material stupid. I bet you believe Ryougi killed distance in the movies too, right?

>No limits fallacy, same argument you used for Ryougi

Yeah that's right, my point is that they both have restrictions.

>There's no indication that Arc has unlimited power AT ALL

It's stated everywhere in canon. To name a few: in the Arc vs Ciel battle, at the true end of Ciel's route, and even Nasu explicitly stated in an interview that she has unlimited back up. How can unlimited back up be unlimited if it's not unlimited. Also, the Drama CD is still canon no matter what you say.

So yeah, the burden of proof is on you, she has unlimited back up unless it's stated in canon that she doesn't. But too bad it was already stated that her power is limitless, and Nasu won't contradict his own words.

>I still see nothing about her being connected to the Origin. She's still only an image of the original

She is not an image of the original, she is THE Original, since she is an original created by the planet itself. Hell even her unlimited back up ability in F/E is called Original One. Not hard to realize why her unlimited back up ability is called like that, right?

>>7649611
>I also already explained how you interpreted his words wrong. It's the same issue as his statement about Ea being marginally stronger than Excalibur in terms of numbers. People misinterpret it as strength instead of the cone of the beam

You haven't explained anything besides fanwanking, your words aren't Nasu's words, and my guess is still better than yours since it doesn't contradict Nasu's words. Also, Ea is as strong (or a little better) than Excalibur in numbers, but it's the ability to rip the world apart what make it EX and anti-world.

>Yes? How else could she heal his hand?

Ok I bet you still don't know how Void Ryougi's power work, since you haven't read Mirai Fukuin, right? Akasha Ryougi/Ryougi's third personality doesn't kill the universe or whatnot (neither can regular Ryougi). She is connected to the Root/" " and then recreates the world by messing with cause and effect/creation. If she kills the cause of Kukutou's wound, then logically, the wound will dissapear.

>She specifically said she could rewrite anything in the universe, you need to reread that part.

No, even better, I'll just post a part from her profile at Jonnobi. Though I doubt you can read Japanese considering you can't even bother to read the translations of the novels.

根源につながっているためというよりも根源の渦の一部なので、新たな世界
を作ることも可能。

世界/Sekai means world, not universe.

>Also, see attached image. It might teach you something

Don't make me laugh, someone who hasn't even bothered to read the source material and is using second hand information and adaptations as proof has nothing to teach me.

I'll never get why people are obsessed with Type-Moon's VNs. The porn isn't arousing, the writing is bad, the art is mediocre, and the ideas being presented are in no way groundbreaking or interesting to anyone that's not a college freshman or similarly ignorant person. You'd think that with real gems out there like Wanko, MLA, Stein's Gate, or Sharin, all of which have actual merits that make them worth reading, everyone would have moved on by now.

>>7649739
> the writing is bad
Takajun's is, Nasu's is really not. You can argue on it being as good as fanboysclaim, but it's definitely not bad by any stretch of the word.

>>7649739

>with real gems out there like Wanko

HOLY FUCK

Wanko to Kurasou is generic nukige trash.

> I'll never get why people are obsessed with Type-Moon's VNs. The porn isn't arousing, the writing is bad, the art is mediocre, and the ideas being presented are in no way groundbreaking or interesting to anyone that's not a college freshman or similarly ignorant person. You'd think that with real gems out there like Wanko, MLA, Stein's Gate, or Sharin, all of which have actual merits that make them worth reading, everyone would have moved on by now.
Why does this feel like a kopipe?

>>7649739
Learn to except that people are different. The population of the world doesn't consist of clones made after your image.
I personally think that all of those are trash except the wonderful MLA and the mediocre Sharin no Kuni, but you don't see me attacking the fanbase of the games.
Grow up, please.

>>7649739
>Wanko
Wait, what? I'm not sure if you are trying to troll. I dropped wanko when everyone started having sex, but it seemed pretty generic to me.

>>7649744

To be fair, even in Japanese, Nasu abuses his kanji and writes some obtuse prose.

I don't blame TakaJun for his awkward translation.

>>7649744
>Takajun's is, Nasu's is really not

No, it really is horrible. Did you not read what the literary critic that sat down and reviewed the writing in FSN had to say about it?

>>7649763
Oh Wow. Would you please start thinking for yourself like a normal humen being?

>>7649758
>learn to except
>except

Your typical Type Moon fanboy. Note how it advances claims about foreign language media when it doesn't even understand English.

>>7649763
Of course a literary critic would rag on it. None of us are trying to put F/SN on a level with classic works. At least, I HOPE not

>>7649758
>Thinks Steins;gate is trash
>Thinks Sharin is mediocre

And TMfags wonder why those of us who have read more than 2 VNs look down on them.

>>7649770
I dropped both of T-M's visual novels. Instead of questioning the my grammar, you could reply to the actual post.

>>7649768
*human
Yes, I mad.

>>7649724
I have absolutely nothing to do with this discussion, but sekai can mean universe (and having just read that I'd be inclined to think that is how it's meant to be interpreted). It does not specifically refer to a planet in the same way world doesn't.

>>7649768
"Thinking for yourself" is not the same as "delude yourself into believing that conversations consisting of giant infodumps, superfluous cooking scenes that completely ruin any sense of tension or suspense, and seafood sex scenes are marks of good writing". Even by the low standards of VNs, Nasu is mid-tier at best.

>>7649724
>You haven't explained anything besides fanwanking,
Again with that word. Ryougi said it herself. Until you can disprove that, it's not fanwank kid.

>She is connected to the Root/" " and then recreates the world by messing with cause and effect/creation.
Yes, thanks for repeating what I've been saying that she can alter the universe by messing with cause/effect. I suppose I should thank you for proving my point?

>Don't make me laugh, someone who hasn't even bothered to read the source material
Right, because Nasu doesn't consider the movies to be even better than his novels. Oh wait!

Your post has contributed nothing to the argument except proving my point. I do admit I have a fuzzy memory of the epilogue, which is why I said Universe instead of World. Either way, she can still alter the universe (since altering the world by connecting to the Root is the same thing: reality warping at the source).

Are you going to bring anything new to the table or continue throwing around words you don't understand the meaning of?

>>7649763
As far as I know he just went grammar nazi on it, while a perfectly valid approach, perfect grammar is not all that makes good writing. Also, a literary critic can basically find faults everywhere, and we're talking about porn games written for entertainment.
I'm not saying he's the japanese Tolstoy but saying his writing his bad while reading a translation by someone whose grasp of English is very sketchy is not what I'd call a solid argument.

>>7649763
>literary critic that sat down and reviewed the writing in FSN
Link, please?

>>7649789
The critic in question read it in Japanese. You can probably find the link if you look in the archive.

>>7649786
>thinking the movie is better than the novels means the movie is canon
You're a dumbshit.

>>7649786

>Right, because Nasu doesn't consider the movies to be even better than his novels. Oh wait!

holy fucking shit, acknowledging superior quality =/= acknowledging as canon

>>7649785
>seafood sex scenes
Again with this? In japanese it's a pretty common metaphor, see how a slang for yuri sex is 貝合わせ. It's literally like seeing children laughing because someone said "female cat" to refer to a vagina.

>>7649794
>Thinking the movies are NOT canon
Oh boy!

Why are you faggots even discussing this? The strongest character in all published T-M works is canonically Arcueid. No matter what wanking you guys do, Nasu has final say, and he fucking said it.

Also note that Takajun, the one who translated all of Nasu's shit, has said repeatedly that he thinks Nasu sucks at writing.

Holy shit, this will be amazing.

>>7649804
>thinking the movies ARE canon
You ARE a dumbshit. That's like saying all the Type Moon anime are canon. You dumbshit. They ain't. Nobody even uses them for real discussions here.

>>7649805
For faggots who didn't find humor in this game.

>>7649807

TakaJun dislikes Type-Moon in general, doesn't he?

At least that's what it seems like, now.

>>7649785
I somewhat agree with you. I never really liked Nasu in the first place.
However, people need to understand that bad writing isn't universally bad. I personally think that bad writing refers to the writing that actively reduces my enjoyment and ability to finish the game.
The fact that a literary critic a bad review to FS/N shouldn't be used as an argument. I may or may not agree with him. That's something unrelated to my appreciation of the game.

Infinite summer continues unabated.

>>7649825

At least they're discussing Type-Moon.

Better than last year's UMINEKOSEACATSCACKLECACKLEWITCHESSHKANON storm.

>>7649789
Shirou = Utena/Dio
Anthy = Sakura
Archer = Akio

Discuss

>>7649807
He also said Ataraxia sucked because it had too few fighting scenes. I wouldn't take his word like it's definite judgement or something, he's a reader just like everyone else.

>>7649841
Axtaria sucks because Nasu sucks at comedy.
Only good scenes are between Avenger and Karen

>>7649807
>>7649818
Takajun is a shitty translator. If you want proof, look at his work on Swan Song and compare it to the original script. Or for that matter, compare the FSN prologue to the demo that other guy translated.

>>7649853
He is Japanese, his english sucks and that's why the translation is bad.

>>7649838
Nasu rips off other works, news at 11

>>7649786
>Again with that word. Ryougi said it herself. Until you can disprove that, it's not fanwank kid

Sure she can, but I am saying that she has restrictions in the same way Arcueid has unlimited power but she still has restriction.

>Yes, thanks for repeating what I've been saying that she can alter the universe by messing with cause/effect

Good to know that you knew the workings of her power without reading Mirai Fukuin, I'm impressed However it is a fact that she can't kill the future unless someone like Kuramitsu (who can literally give the future a form) comes along.

>Right, because Nasu doesn't consider the movies to be even better than his novels

Stop taking his words out of context. Nasu said the Tsukihime manga was excelent and that he needed to follow its example for the Tsukihime remake. Does that make it canon, no it doesn't.

>Either way, she can still alter the universe

The Type Moon Drama CD proves that she has restrictions.

So what we can conclude here is that. Arcueid is stronger than Ryougi (as per Nasu's word). And even though they both have restrictions, Arcueid is stronger overall (faster, can tank mor hits, can create things with her imagination, etc).

>>7649853
Yeah, if you want a taste of how FSN could have read instead, look up arai's snippets on Beast's Lair (no, I'm not saying the forums are in any way not shit)

>>7649860
Nice to see Cudder is still being a fag and is releasing shitty google translations.

>>7649907
Vocaloid is not a program vocaloid is way of life.

>>7649903
>Sure she can, but I am saying that she has restrictions in the same way Arcueid has unlimited power but she still has restriction.
But there's no indication of restrictions. Anything related to that is fanwank.

>However it is a fact that she can't kill the future unless someone like Kuramitsu
I don't care about that, I'm just saying she can remake the universe by messing with the Origin. The scale of that feat is still greater than Arc's world manipulation.

>Does that make it canon, no it doesn't.
There's no reason the movies aren't canon since they followed the novels with minimal changes. Unless he says it's not canon, it's canon.

>The Type Moon Drama CD proves that she has restrictions.
No, it doesn't. All it has is Ryougi saying that Arc is more powerful compared to her and I already elaborated on the interpretation of that statement.

>Arcueid is stronger than Ryougi (as per Nasu's word).
And we just went in full circle. You can't prove A with B that is derivative of A.

>>7650012
Minimal changes are still changes. Changes are changes. Of course, it's not going to be considered canon. Adaptations are never canon unless it is said to be canon. But it's not.

>>7650012
>But there's no indication of restrictions. Anything related to that is fanwank

You do know I can say the same thing for your "Arcueid doesn't have unlimited power" assumption, right?

>I don't care about that, I'm just saying she can remake the universe by messing with the Origin

Maybe she can, but it is a fact her power must have some sort of traction. Why else would she think that "turning one's imagination into reality" is impressive?

>There's no reason the movies aren't canon since they followed the novels with minimal changes

Generally, adaptations aren't considered canon. But I guess it's ok as long as something doesn't directly contradict the source material.

>All it has is Ryougi saying that Arc is more powerful compared to her and I already elaborated on the interpretation of that statement

No you just tried to brush it aside claming it's not canon.

Summarize the past 50 posts please.

>>7650346
Pointless fan fighting about how many episodes star treck has.